[00:10] <mcasadevall> Are we at the point where -release has to ack every bugfix upload?
[00:10] <mcasadevall> Or is that next week?
[00:11] <slangasek> the archive is frozen, all uploads require a manual ack.
[00:11] <slangasek> (see /topic)
[00:12] <slangasek> oh, I guess that just says "beta freeze", so I guess that doesn't explain much after all :P
[00:13]  * mcasadevall thanks slangasek :-)
[00:13] <mcasadevall> I have one last fix for KDE to fix a rather nasty issue on amd64, just need to make sure my fix doesn't miserably break i386
[00:14] <directhex> pfft, as if anyone uses fringe architectures like i386 anymore
[00:15]  * mcasadevall uses the hammer of unjustified pain on directhex 
[00:15] <mcasadevall> hrm
[00:16] <pochu> slangasek: enjoy the gnuradio rebuild ;-)
[00:16] <slangasek> pochu: ah, is wxwidgets fixed? :)
[00:16] <pochu> slangasek: just uploaded it :)
[00:17] <slangasek> cool
[00:17] <slangasek> <yoink>
[00:19] <Riddell> mcasadevall: what part of KDE do you have a fix for?
[00:20] <mcasadevall> Riddell, well, Qt, but I mentally assiocate Qt with KDE. the qtjambi
[00:20] <mcasadevall> ^patch from last night
[00:21]  * Riddell suspects mcasadevall of secretly being NCommander
[00:22] <Riddell> mcasadevall: I uploaded the main fix and (amazingly) it's compiled everywhere but sparc and hppa
[00:38] <superm1> Mithrandir, can you also activate ~bluetooth's PPA?
[00:41] <Mithrandir> superm1: done
[00:41] <superm1> thanks Mithrandir
[00:43] <pochu> slangasek: wxwidgets2.6 2.6.3.2.2-2ubuntu5 (Waiting forapproval)
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[00:58] <slangasek> superm1|away: ok, what channel did this IRC discussion about bluetooth happen on? :)
[00:59] <slangasek> superm1|away: and when/how did this regress, if we shipped bluez-utils 3 in hardy without problems?
[01:29] <wgrant> Are we able to sync from testing-security?
[01:31] <slangasek> with enough force, we can sync from anywhere
[01:31] <wgrant> Well, yes, but will I be told to sync it myself if I file a sync request?
[01:32] <slangasek> if I suggest /before/ you file the sync request that it would be more efficient to sync it yourself, does that help? :)
[01:32] <wgrant> It does. Are you going to suggest that?
[01:32] <slangasek> I am
[01:32] <wgrant> Thanks.
[01:39] <jdong> and the most interesting indirect conversation of the day award goes to...
[01:51]  * wgrant indirectly swats jdong.
[01:53] <slangasek> pochu: hmm, I don't think this for loop does the right thing - it uses the same value of symlink for each invocation, which means they collide in /etc/alternatives...
[01:54] <james_w> slangasek: is that advice for syncing from !unstable, or syncing in general at this time? I'd like to pull a fix in from unstable, but already have a patch for Intrepid if needed.
[01:55] <slangasek> pochu: given that this will be hairy to undo, I think I'm going to sit on this upload rather than approving it, and wait for your comments given that it /happens/ to be in front of me in the unapproved queue right now :)
[01:55] <slangasek> james_w: !unstable
[01:55] <james_w> slangasek: cool, thanks
[01:56] <slangasek> it's !unstable && !experimental, really; those two are tracked by default by the sync tools
[01:57] <wgrant> Is pitti's syncpackage still the most official unofficial sync method?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> wgrant: i think so
[02:00] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Thanks.
[02:05] <NCommander> hey Hobbsee and wgrant
[02:07] <wgrant> Hi NCommander.
[02:07] <NCommander> how goes it?
[02:13] <pochu> slangasek: bah, right
[02:13] <Hobbsee> hey NCommander!
[02:13] <pochu> slangasek: it worked in my test as it was created for 2.5, but not for 2.4
[02:13] <pochu> slangasek: is the right solution to use --slave for the second link?
[02:14]  * NCommander can't feels his legs :-)
[02:14] <NCommander> I might be getting a free RS/6000 :-)
[02:14]  * NCommander would have liked a AlphaStation server, but I'll take what I can get
[02:15] <slangasek> pochu: I think ideally you want to create a separate alternative for each pyver; if you use slaves, it's a lot more complicated to remove them when a python version is deprecated
[02:15] <pochu> slangasek: makes sense
[02:15] <slangasek> NCommander: I suggest not resting the RS/6000 on your legs
[02:16] <pochu> slangasek: please reject the previous upload, I'll fix this properly tomorrow and reupload (it's 3am here)
[02:16] <slangasek> pochu: rejecting, thanks
[02:16] <pochu> good night!
[02:16] <NCommander> slangasek, well, this is a really old 7605 RS/6000. I think there are lighter s390 mainframes
[02:16] <slangasek> NCommander: this is why resting it on your legs is not a good idea
[02:17] <NCommander> Well, if I find I can't install Ubuntu on it, I plan to send it out in style
[02:18] <bddebian> Send it to me, I've always wanted an RS/6000 :)
[02:18] <NCommander> Sure, just pay shipping and handling
[02:19] <NCommander> Something like 70-100 dollars alone
[02:20] <NCommander> Er, bddebian, where do you live in the world?
[02:20]  * NCommander wonders if the Hurd PowerPC port works on it ;-)
[02:20] <NCommander> bddebian, I should warn you, its dual boot AIX/Windows NT
[02:20] <NCommander> Or so I'm told
[02:21] <bddebian> Near Philadelphia.
[02:21] <bddebian> And the Hurd PPC port doesn't work
[02:21] <NCommander> Hrm
[02:21] <bddebian> It was never finished
[02:21] <NCommander> If I get it (should have it tommorow if I do), what do you have to trade for it ;-)
[02:22] <bddebian> 700 Billion dollars. ;-P
[02:22] <NCommander> Well, I was hoping for either an alphaserver or an SGI Irix box but ...
[02:22] <ion_> Cool, www.w3.org made it into Finland’s child pornography blacklist.
[02:23] <wgrant> slangasek: Thanks (I presume it was you).
[02:23] <NCommander> o_ol
[02:23]  * NCommander sighs
[02:23] <NCommander> Can someone do me a favor?
[02:23] <NCommander> (if you run intrepid, and i386?
[02:24] <NCommander> I'm having trouble test building something due to the fact that I'm stuck on equivelent of dial up
[02:27]  * NCommander pokes apachelogger 
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: you may want to go and ask in -ops why you have no authority.  You certainly should do, by the flags.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: you're not using out of date scripts or something, are you?
[02:29] <bddebian> NCommander: I almost got some Irix boxes for free once and I was bummed when it never panned out :9
[02:29]  * wgrant is content with having only i386 hardware.
[02:29] <NCommander> ahhhhhhhhh
[02:29] <wgrant> Although amd64 might be nice.
[02:29] <ion_> I have a 68060 box.
[02:30] <Darklock> I have a 8088 box
[02:31] <ion_> I have a 6510 box.
[02:31] <Darklock> damn
[02:32] <apachelogger> NCommander: sup?
[02:33]  * NCommander has two sticks
[02:33] <NCommander> apachelogger, can you test build something for me?
[02:33] <ion_> I have two drumsticks.
[02:33] <NCommander> ion_, with our stick together, we have four bites
[02:33] <apachelogger> NCommander: sure
[02:34] <NCommander> apachelogger, I'm stuck on dial up so I can't download the dependencies for i386 ;.;
[02:34] <ion_> ncommander: Perhaps Hobbsee could borrow her pointy stick.
[02:34]  * Hobbsee has no need to borrow her own Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[02:34] <Hobbsee> ion_: did you mean 'lend'?
[02:35] <ion_> Heh, me no good on English speaky-things.
[02:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:35] <NCommander> ion_, there is no point in borrowing her stick
[02:35] <NCommander> Its metric, and completely incompable with everything else
[02:36] <apachelogger> a sonic screwdriver is way better anyway
[02:36] <NCommander> I perfer a laser screwdriver
[02:36] <NCommander> more lethal
[02:37]  * wgrant prefers to avoid such hardwary things.
[02:37]  * NCommander notes that wgrant doesn't watch Dr Who
[02:37]  * Hobbsee tasers NCommander
[02:37]  * NCommander is turned on
[02:37] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[02:37]  * wgrant confirms NCommander's suspicions.
[02:38]  * NCommander tackles Hobbsee and throws her in the COMFY CHAIR
[02:38] <NCommander> apachelogger, http://pastebin.ca/1211969
[02:38] <Hobbsee> mmm...comfy
[02:38]  * wgrant gets out the soft cushions.
[02:38] <ion_> Ah, darn. I was under the impression it was a 2.5 furlong stick weighing 4 zentners.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> ion_: it's both imperial and metric.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> it's a future stick
[02:39] <ion_> It’s in a quantum superposition, collapsing to either only when observed?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> sounds about right
[02:39]  * NCommander feels so geeky that he understands that
[02:43] <StevenK> Anything can be both imperial and metric, since that's only a form of meaursement, not a defining part of it.
[02:43]  * NCommander gives StevenK a metric bolt and only imperial wrenches
[02:43] <NCommander> :-)
[02:43] <NCommander> that's how you have metric-imperial compability
[02:43] <wgrant> Metric and imperial screws often have different threads too.
[02:44] <StevenK> Sure, but you can meaurse either with either system, its just that one "works out" in one
[02:44] <StevenK> Like a 10mm screw isn't going to come out to anything sensible in inches
[02:47] <apachelogger> NCommander: you noticed ubuntu4 is already @ lp?
[02:55] <NCommander> What, someone updated it since I started working on it?
[02:55] <NCommander> ;.;
[02:55] <apachelogger> NCommander: no, it is your ubuntu4 :P
[02:56] <NCommander> o_O;
[02:56] <NCommander> uhhhh
[02:56]  * NCommander blinks
[02:56]  * NCommander blinks some more
[02:56] <NCommander> I don't remember asking anyone to upload it
[02:56] <StevenK> Certain developers may have access to your machine ...
[02:56]  * StevenK chuckles
[02:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:57] <NCommander> Well
[02:57] <NCommander> This is interesting
[02:57] <NCommander> Since if my patch was done wrong
[02:57] <apachelogger> More like frightening.
[02:57] <NCommander> I just broke ever QT Java user on i386 :-)
[02:57] <apachelogger> NCommander: Qt
[02:58] <apachelogger> and there are only about 3, so... :P
[02:58] <NCommander> I really wish there were only i386 users
[02:58] <NCommander> We could justify dropping the port
[02:58] <StevenK> You want to drop i386?
[03:00] <NCommander> Someday
[03:00] <NCommander> Simply because the x86 infrastructure is a poorly decided POS :-)
[03:00] <NCommander> er, designing
[03:00] <NCommander> Looking at the build log, my patch did the right thing :-)
[03:01]  * NCommander notes it will break if qtjambi was ever built on a 128 or 16 bit architecture but I don't think we need to worry about that)
[03:09] <NCommander> YOu know, I think I have a problem if ninja's are uploading my patches without me fully testing them >.>;
[03:11] <NCommander> StevenK, so what are you up to?
[03:24] <blaine00__> hello!
[03:25] <blaine00__> why does it seem like no one is ever actuall chatting in these rooms
[03:27] <ion_> Wow, four minutes of patience.
[03:27] <jdong> ion_: better than average.
[03:28] <jdong> ion_: I've seen someone enter, say nothing, then "why don't you answer me" then leave
[03:28] <jdong> *shrug* guess it's kinda like forgetting to put your name on a homework :)
[03:31]  * Hobbsee is not chatting, as she's considering writing a warning mail to the list.
[03:32]  * jdong cowers in his corner
[03:32] <Hobbsee> jdong: do you file sync requests,  when the resulting packages do not install?
[03:33] <jdong> Hobbsee: usually I don't get people more important than me involved until I'm confident I'm not wasting their time :)
[03:34] <jdong> Hobbsee: are people just treating sync request as some magical buzzword for getting shiny crack, or are they deliberately implying something works when they've not done the testing necessary?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jdong: not sure, but i was just alerted to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015
[03:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 273015 in meta-gnome2 "cannot install gnome & gnome-office packages" [High,Confirmed]
[03:34] <Hobbsee> jdong: the guy usually has more clue.  So should the sponsor.
[03:35] <jdong> Hobbsee: ouch, that should've been caught even by a simple build-and-install test
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: my thoughts exactly.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> jdong: there's even pbuilder hooks for this!
[03:35] <jdong> indeed
[03:36] <jdong> Hobbsee: the warning e-mail should also remind sponsors to scrutinize contributions a bit more, too
[03:36] <jdong> IMO the sponsor should've seen this too
[03:37] <Hobbsee> jdong: tha'ts what i'm thinking.
[03:37] <Hobbsee> jdong: this slipped through 2 people.  Now, i know the queue is long, and we're trying to encourage people to sponsor stuff - but not at the expense of getting crap that doesn't install, into the archive.
[03:38] <jdong> Hobbsee: particularly at this point in our release cycle
[03:38] <Hobbsee> jdong: exactly.
[03:39] <jdong> Hobbsee: whoa... looking at the sync request the contributor even had to make debian/control changes for the merge.... now it really blows my mind how this slipped through
[03:39] <jdong> I would expect the most important test of metapackages to be their *installability*
[03:39] <Hobbsee> jdong: the "it built, lets ship it?" philosophy?
[03:39] <jdong> they should trivially build without errors
[03:40] <Hobbsee> well, yeah...
[03:40] <Hobbsee> i mean, pbuilder hooks make this stuff *very* simple.
[03:40] <Hobbsee> and automated on the end of a build.
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[03:41] <jdong> perhaps whatever pbuilder helper is in ubuntu-dev-tools should incorporate such hooks by default
[03:41] <jdong> I have a feeling people may be too lazy to bother setting it up
[03:48] <Hobbsee> jdong: that might be interesting - but which ones?
[03:48] <Hobbsee> there's a help section on the end of the pbuilder howto, iirc.
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[03:51] <calc> gar openoffice.org-l10n failed after 6 hours build on my machine :\
[03:51]  * calc ponders guessing he fixed it and just upload it
[03:52] <superm1> slangasek, it appears the combination of bluez-utils 3.36 and btusb causes the regression
[03:52] <superm1> slangasek, persia and i were discussing it in #ubuntu-motu
[03:52] <superm1> btusb - which is part of 2.6.27 appears to work properly w/ bluez 4.x however
[03:52] <superm1> which is the new API for bluez
[03:54] <superm1> slangasek, i'll try to add these details to the bug
[03:58] <Hobbsee> !pbuilder
[03:58] <ubottu> pbuilder is a system to easily build packages in a clean chroot environment. To get started with PBuilder, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto
[07:22] <fargiolas> does anybody know how can I install debug infos for libselinux?
[07:23] <fargiolas> I looked for the -dbg package but couldn't find any
[07:24] <persia> fargiolas: Maybe at ddebs.ubuntu.com ?
[07:29] <fargiolas> persia: thank you, I wasn't aware of that repo
[08:23] <StevenK> cjwatson: Adding a blacklist of xfce4-panel to the mobile seeds ends up with germinate saying "No changes found" which strikes me as odd.
[08:30] <cjwatson> germinate-update-metapackage doesn't do anything with blacklists
[08:30] <cjwatson> I suppose you'd have to manually add a conflicts or something
[08:38] <StevenK> cjwatson: That strikes me as a little nasty :-)
[09:03] <cjwatson> StevenK: it's more or less precisely equivalent to a blacklist entry ...
[09:03] <cjwatson> so no more or less nasty
[09:03] <cjwatson> if you're happy to use a blacklist entry, logically you should also be happy to use a conflicts
[09:03] <cjwatson> anyway, off to ante-natal class
[09:08] <fargiolas> persia: I added ddebs repos to sources.list but still I have no -dbg package for libselinux in intrepid
[09:17] <geser> fargiolas: try libselinux1-dbgsym
[09:17] <geser> fargiolas: the dbg packages on ddebs end all in -dbgsym and not -dbg
[09:18] <fargiolas> geser: I see, but there is no package -dbgsym for selinux :(
[09:21] <geser> fargiolas: the selinux package contains only some scripts
[09:22] <geser> for which binary/library do you need dbg info?
[09:23] <fargiolas> geser: I have a segfault with gst-inspect on a plugin I'm developing and the backtrace says it crash on a libselinux function
[09:24] <fargiolas> geser: but doesn't say which because there are no dbg symbols
[09:25] <geser> fargiolas: does it tell you in which lib that function is?
[09:26] <fargiolas> geser: nope, 0xb66b8974 in ?? () from /lib/libselinux.so.1
[09:29] <geser> fargiolas: /lib/libselinux.so.1 is the lib containing the function, which is packaged in libselinux1 and the debug symbols are in libselinux1-dbgsym
[09:29] <geser> try installing that and you should get some more info in your traceback
[09:29] <fargiolas> geser: probably in hardy.. no -dbgsym in intrepid
[09:30] <geser> true
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[09:37] <geser> fargiolas|afk: unfortunately there aren't any debug symbols for libselinux1 as the package doesn't use the common dh_strip call to strip the debug symbols so it also doesn't trigger the creating of the -dbgsym packages :(
[09:38] <fargiolas|afk> geser: is it a bug? will it be solved before intrepid stable release?
[09:43] <geser> more a wishlist but and I doubt it will be fixed before the release, but please file a bug nonetheless, so it's a least known
[09:45] <fargiolas|afk> geser: going away now, I'll file it later
[09:45] <fargiolas|afk> geser: thanks
[09:53]  * \sh should get some sleep...uploading to hardy pocket will not work :(
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[14:37] <Adri2000> do main srus need to be approved *prior* to upload? or is it possible to upload and get the ack later like it is for universe srus?
[15:22] <wgrant> lool: Why did you close bug #275158? You should really let Soyuz close it, particularly when things have a chance of rejection.
[15:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 275158 in xfree86-driver-synaptics "Please enable a build for lpia" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275158
[15:29] <persia> wgrant: source built on Debian
[15:30] <wgrant> persia: Ahh.
[15:34] <ramvi> How is the daily intrepid image made? I'm making a fork of ubuntu and would like to utilize the same system
[15:36] <persia> ramvi: At least the filesystem.squashfs comes from livecd-rootfs.  I'm not entirely sure how that turns into an iso, but there's a BuildCD script in the livecd-rootfs source.
[15:37] <ramvi> persia: must be some kind of application which does the whole thing. should be open source :/
[15:38] <persia> ramvi: It may be, I just don't happen to know which application.
[15:38] <persia> There's some documentation on the wiki about working on this sort of thing, which may help.
[15:39]  * persia doesn't tend to work with .iso images
[15:41] <ramvi> persia: there is? Great - do you have the url ?
[15:41] <ramvi> So can I do some reading and not bother you guys
[15:41] <persia> Not offhand.  I think it's linked under the Derivatives Team.
[15:41] <Mithrandir> ramvi: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[15:45] <StevenK> [1067796.457016] nautilus[19240]: segfault at 7fffcdb08ff8 rip 7fb8c26a87db rsp 7fffcdb09000 error 6
[15:45]  * StevenK sighs
[15:45] <ramvi> Mithrandir: not quite what I was looking for. But thanks :)
[15:45] <StevenK> Mithrandir: I had a look at telepathy and bluetooth, and I can't extend my own membership, please fix. :-)
[15:48] <Mithrandir> StevenK: fixed
[15:48] <StevenK> Mithrandir: Danke
[15:49] <Robot101> telepathy? :)
[15:49] <Mithrandir> Robot101: yeah, you know this communication thingie developed by a bunch of crazy hippies based around cambridge.
[15:50] <Robot101> yeah, but what about it? can I extole its virtues somehow? :)
[15:50] <Mithrandir> Robot101: oh, it was just StevenK's membership in the launchpad team that was about to expire, and he couldn't extend it himself, so I did it for him.
[15:52] <Robot101> aha, ok :)
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[16:28] <pochu> Mithrandir: could you please reject meta-gnome2 from the unapproved queue? I want to reuploaded it with a last minute improvement.
[16:28] <pochu> s/reuploaded/reupload/
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[16:34] <lool> wgrant: Cause I built the .changes files from a Debian host
[16:35] <lool> wgrant: Oh sorry, persia already forwarded the info
[16:35] <lool> Will update the bug if it gets rejected; I'm sure persia will notice though :)
[16:35] <persia> Yeah.
[16:36]  * persia is currently anxiously awaiting the approval of 75% of the unapproved queue, as it directly affects making the new toy work better.
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[16:39] <Silicium> hi there
[16:39] <Mithrandir> pochu: no, the web ui doesn't allow me to.
[16:39] <Silicium> is there a bug on 8.04 with cpu freqscaling
[16:40] <Silicium> ?
[16:40] <Silicium> my kernel is Linux Earth 2.6.24-16-generic #1 SMP Thu Apr 10 13:23:42 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[16:40] <Mithrandir> pochu: also, I'm no longer in ubuntu-archive.
[16:41] <pochu> Mithrandir: but you are on -release. I thought it was -release who approved/rejected things during freezes
[16:41] <pochu> Mithrandir: thanks anyway
[16:42] <Mithrandir> pochu: I don't have the relevant buttons in my web UI at least.
[16:42] <pochu> ok, fair enough
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[16:54] <pochu> slangasek: so, I've changed python-wxgtk.postinst to install one different alternative for each python version (http://pastebin.com/f602f101d). The problem is that python-wxgtk2.8 doesn't use alternatives anymore, but installs a file directly, which seems to break update-alternatives (install 2.6, symlinks are there and working, install 2.8, files are there and working, remove 2.8, and 2.6 symlinks aren't there anymore). I can switch python-gtk2.8
[16:54] <pochu> slangasek: 2.8 was changed back to use files instead of alternatives in bug 211553, but I think that broke python-wxgtk2.6
[16:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 211553 in wxwidgets2.8 "wxPython isn't on path in hardy beta" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/211553
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[17:15] <pwnguin> is /var/log/acpid still supposed to be written to?
[17:15] <lool> No
[17:16] <lool> It's syslog now
[17:17] <pwnguin> i wish the laptop team wasn't dead =(
[17:18] <pwnguin> lool: i'd like to monitor for lid events, is that in syslog?
[17:21] <persia> pwnguin: You ought get an input event for it, from evdev.
[17:21] <pwnguin> persia: is that exposed to scripting somewhere simple?
[17:22] <persia> pwnguin: It's an X event.
[17:23] <persia> I suspect there's probably something that calls a hook script, but I'll admit to not knowing the details.
[17:23] <pwnguin> tabletPCs have a convertable lid and im hoping the information is sophisticated enough to handle differing between closing the laptop and converting it
[17:24] <persia> pwnguin: For that, I'd recommend installing input-utils, and reviewing what events are available from the /dev/input/eventN device.
[17:25] <persia> pwnguin: If you can differentiate, I'd like that: I've a device for which I'd like to do a screen rotation on close, but haven't any clue how to make it work.
[17:25] <persia> (so please subscribe me to the bug you use to track the fix)
[17:25] <pwnguin> okies
[17:25] <pwnguin> do you have a script working currently to rotate automatically?
[17:25] <pwnguin> err
[17:26] <pwnguin> not automatically
[17:26] <persia> No.  I just got the device a couple days ago, and just make the touchpad work today.  It's still a work-in-progress.
[17:26] <pwnguin> there's a few rotate scripts out there
[17:26] <persia> Yeah, and I do have one working on my Zaurus, so I'm sure it's not too hard.
[17:27] <pwnguin> the trouble is that they mostly rely on querying xrandr which relies in part on the driver
[17:27] <pwnguin> so nv has different output than nvidia
[17:28] <persia> Oh, that's unfortunate.
[17:29] <pwnguin> theres an xrandr library one could presumably use
[17:29] <pwnguin> that should be smarter than text output
[17:30] <pwnguin> when you suggested input-utils, what exactly did you have in mind with it?
[17:35] <pwnguin> ah, i think ive figured it out
[17:35] <ykphuah1> asac: for bug 191889, I do not have the intrepid environment to create a fix for NM0.7... how do you suggest I go around this?
[17:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 191889 in pidgin "[MASTER] [WORKAROUND] "Offline Mode" feature fails to detect proper online state for networks that are managed outside of network manager." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/191889
[17:44] <crimsun> ykphuah1: are you working off hardy as a base?
[17:45] <crimsun> ykphuah1: if so, try working with the network-manager PPA, then, which has a hardy version (# deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/network-manager/ubuntu hardy main)
[17:46] <ykphuah1> crimsun: yeah, I am working on hardy, its just scratching my own itch on the stable ubuntu version, for now.
[17:46] <ykphuah1> crimsun: the last time I install the NM0.7 over PPA, its very hard to downgrade back to 0.6, with all the dependancies.
[17:47] <ykphuah1> crimsun: so it seems like either I have to maintain 0.6 or 0.7, or install both hardy and intrepid.
[17:47] <ykphuah1> crimsun: I am just a normal user who do not have the bandwidth to download intrepid just to develop a patch for NM 0.7
[17:56] <RainCT> Can someone tell me where the strings "Install Media Plug-ins" and "Buy Licensed Plug-ins..." are used in gnome-app-install?
[17:57] <RainCT> (I'm translating some new strings, like those, but don't have the version from Intrepid so I can't see where they are used)
[17:58] <RainCT> basically what I want to know is if they are directed to the computer or to the user
[18:01] <Chipzz> RainCT: strings directed to the computer should not be translated; if those show up in the list of strings to be translated, that would be a bug and you should file one
[18:02] <RainCT> Chipzz: that's not what I mean by "directed to the computer"
[18:03] <pochu> RainCT: they are shown when gnome-app-install pops up to install media codecs iirc
[18:03] <RainCT> Chipzz: there are two sorts of strings, those directed to the computer, by which I mean strings like "Save", "Print", etc., and those directed to the user "Couldn't do something", etc.
[18:03] <RainCT> and both types are translated in a different way in Catalan (to the computer in imperative and to the user in a more formal way)
[18:04] <RainCT> pochu: as buttons or what?
[18:07] <pochu> RainCT: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodecInstallationIntrepid
[18:07] <pochu> RainCT: I haven't seen IRL yet
[18:08] <Chipzz> RainCT: ah k. but you probably should have been clearer about that then ;)
[18:08] <RainCT> thanks :)
[18:09] <Chipzz> (RainCT: the distinction lies in the target language, not the source of the translation)
[18:10] <RainCT> I guess "playback plug-ins" is the same as "codecs"?
[18:11] <Chipzz> http://www.ralentz.com/old/mac/humor/mpw-c-errors.html
[18:11] <Chipzz> ROFL
[18:11] <Chipzz> "String literal too long (I let you have 512 characters, that's 3 more than ANSI said I should)"
[18:11] <Chipzz> a compiler with an attitude :)
[18:12] <Chipzz> "Too many errors on one line (make fewer)"
[18:12] <Chipzz> :P
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[18:39] <slytherin> Can any of the archive admins please fix the bug #272866
[18:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 272866 in javassist "Please move package to universe" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/272866
[19:40] <lool> pwnguin: You can add your own event handler to /etc/acpi; there's an example for the powerbtn already, it's mildly documented in README.Debian
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