[00:00] <grego> ugh
[00:00] <milosz> crimsun, wasn't it that what you needed?
[00:03] <crimsun> milosz: I'm pretty busy ATM; please be patient.
[00:04] <milosz> crimsun, i just wasn't sure you got the link at all
[00:05] <grego> @RAOF i'll try to find something related in changelogs first between 2.6.26.5 and 2.6.27
[00:06] <crimsun> milosz: as your unprivileged user, what's the output from:  groups |grep audio >/dev/null;echo $?
[00:07] <milosz> crimsun, 1
[00:07] <milosz> indeed i'm not in audio
[00:07] <crimsun> well, you know where to go from here.
[00:08] <milosz> yeah
[00:08] <milosz> thanks!
[00:09] <crimsun> grego: how familiar are you with serial console debugging?
[00:09] <milosz> hmm one other question, sorry if i'm being disruptive
[00:09] <milosz> is "gksudo" meant to be only used with synaptic?
[00:09] <milosz> i used it to start firefox (i understand this is not something most people would do)
[00:10] <milosz> and it shows the same info text for Firefox as well
[00:10] <milosz> The program 'firefox' lets you modify essential parts of the system.
[00:10] <milosz> seems a little bit irritating
[00:10] <grego> @crimsun i have no idea what you're talking about :)
[00:10] <crimsun> grego: hmm, okay.
[00:11] <grego> modprobe just dies trying to load firmware to my usb modem...
[00:12] <grego> and booting process stops here
[00:12] <ronny> hi
[00:12] <ronny> any known issues with wpa + network manager on current ibex ?
[00:12] <crimsun> y
[00:12] <crimsun> sorry, consolekit being wonky
[00:12] <ronny> my laptop doesnt seem to enable encryption any more
[00:13] <ronny> (got an iwl3945)
[00:13] <RAOF> ronny: My iwl3945 works prefectly fine with WPA.
[00:14] <ronny> oh weird, since like 2 this is the first time i can reconnect to my wlan
[00:14] <crimsun> grego: the modem isn't plugged into a hub, is it?
[00:15] <grego> i think it is
[00:15] <grego> @crimsun
[00:16] <grego> i 4 usb ports at back, for me it looks like hub :) and 2 in front @crimsun
[00:16] <grego> hot to check that? :)
[00:17] <grego> tried to plug it to each of avaiable port, but it doesnt make difference
[00:19] <crimsun> grego: are these all using OHCI or EHCI controllers?  i.e., when you insert/plug, what does watching dmesg tell you?
[00:21] <grego> lets check lspci @crimsun
[00:23] <crimsun> (well, you really want to also check `dmesg' after each plug)
[00:23] <grego> lspci says that i have few intell usb uhci controllers and one usb2 ehci controller @crimsun
[00:25] <grego> yeah, kinfocenter says that my modem is connected to usb hub @crimsun
[00:26] <crimsun> grego: have you booted with "nosplash verbose" (or removed "splash quiet")?
[00:26] <crimsun> err, with the usb modem plugged, that is
[00:26] <grego> in text mode? yeah @crimsun
[00:27] <crimsun> grego: could you take a digital photo, please?
[00:29] <grego> unfortunatelly i can't :)  @crimsun
[00:30] <crimsun> grego: ok, so we step back major kernels, then.  Is it reproducible using the 6.06.2, 7.04, 7.10, and/or 8.04.1 desktop cds?
[00:30] <grego> no
[00:30] <crimsun> to which? :)
[00:30] <grego> im on Intrepid
[00:31] <grego> only 2.6.27 kernels
[00:31] <crimsun> so, nothing prior to 2.6.27-rc?
[00:31] <grego> yes
[00:32] <crimsun> sorry, we're having miscommunication here.  Do you mean, "correct, nothing prior"?
[00:32] <grego> last working for me is 2.6.25-5
[00:32] <grego> :)
[00:32] <grego> my english suck, sorry :)
[00:33] <crimsun> ok, so as RAOF_ mentioned, please continue with the git-bisect
[00:33] <grego> oh noes :D
[00:33] <crimsun> I'm around (vaguely) for a few more minutes if you need tips
[00:34] <grego> I've checked all rc kernels from 1 to 7
[00:35] <grego> where can i find changes, kernels between 2.6.26-5 and first  2.6.27 ?
[00:36] <grego> crimsun: btw, isn't this bootup error written anywhere?
[00:38] <crimsun> grego: you'll have to go upstream for that (kernel.org's changelogs)
[00:39] <crimsun> grego: alternately, if you feel lucky, there are the git changesets themselves (linux-2.6, aka Linus's tree)
[00:39] <crimsun> grego: you'll also need to compare against ubuntu-intrepid.git
[00:39] <grego> crimsun: yeah  i have 2.6.27 rc changelog opened, its huge
[00:40] <grego> but both kernels, from ubuntu repos and self compiled from kernel.org, arent working
[00:41] <grego> 2.6.27-x ones
[00:53] <DasEi> is it planned to leave displayconfig-gtk in ibex ?isn't in the repos nomore
[00:54] <GNB> Hallo
[00:54] <GNB> I can't get the networking up for realtek or Atheros chipset on this laptop
[01:01] <DasEi> GNB:in terminal > ifconfig, sudo ifup eth0....
[01:01] <GNB> DasEi: Doesn't work
[01:02] <DasEi> I'm not familar with that beta , too, but had no probs with two standard ethernetcards in kubuntu (via and 3com)
[01:02] <GNB> Realtek is the ethernet :-(
[01:03] <DasEi> GNB, what does network applet say ? does lspci find devices ?
[01:03] <GNB> Yes
[01:03] <GNB> Disabled
[01:03] <DasEi> Realtek is very familar, too
[01:03] <DasEi> what is disabled ?
[01:04] <GNB> Networkapplet just shows lo
[01:04] <GNB> all the network devices except lo show disabled in lspic
[01:04] <GNB> lspci
[01:04] <DasEi> so card(s) don't show up and next to wifi you have an onboard realtek-chip ?
[01:05] <GNB> No cards show up
[01:05] <GNB> onboard realtek
[01:05] <GNB>  a USB Wireless Netgear MA111 V1 with an Atheros chipset
[01:06] <DasEi> GNB: your wireless is a firmware-thing, but not the realtek
[01:06] <GNB> Yeah I figured that would be the issue but I can't get the fireware for the wireless until I get the realtek sorted :)
[01:07] <DasEi> could you paste the one line from lspci > realtek here ?
[01:07] <GNB> I'd have to reboot and then dump it to the hard drive and reboot to get back here
[01:08] <DasEi> GND: alright, I haven't sleept last night, better not... lol
[01:08] <GNB> Can I Get some info from Windows which would help?
[01:09] <DanaG> Ugh, damn PulseAudio dropouts.
[01:09] <DasEi> detailed infos , google,forum,irc i would try...
[01:09] <GNB> Realtek RTL8139 Family
[01:09] <DanaG> Even when using only stereo... my Audigy2 gives dropouts all the time.
[01:09] <DanaG> *glitch* *lag* *drop*  aagh!
[01:10] <DanaG> Might it be a PCI latency issue?
[01:10] <DasEi> GNB:absolut standard, shure isn't disabled in bios ?
[01:10] <GNB> I'm using it now :)
[01:11] <DasEi> seee, dualboot
[01:11] <RAOF> DanaG: Are you using pulse 0.9.12 from Luke's PPA?
[01:11] <DanaG> Yeah.
[01:11] <GNB> DasEi: Still doesn't mean that it's disabled in BIOS
[01:11] <DanaG> Onboard HDA doesn't drop out... but Cardbus Audigy2 does.
[01:11] <GNB> DasEi: Let me try boot and get IRC on another machine
[01:11] <DasEi> prbly it isnt
[01:11] <DanaG> ... even when set to 2 channels, and thus not needing any remixing.
[01:12] <DasEi> eehhrm, I'm really weak on..
[01:12] <RAOF> DanaG: Since 0.9.12 isn't going to be in Intrepid, it might be worth switching back to 0.9.10
[01:12] <DanaG> I wonder why 0.9.12 is so un-"Glitch-Free"...
[01:13] <DanaG> Is it a matter of sucky hardware?
[01:15] <RAOF> DanaG: "glitch-free" uses ALSA drivers in ways not commonly done; thus, drivers are often broken there.
[01:15] <DanaG> Argh, even my mouse is lagging a bit, somehow.
[01:16] <DanaG> Or rather, the touchpad.
[01:16] <DanaG> I unplugged the Audigy2; now I'll try a USB sound card.
[01:17] <DanaG> Aah, reloading psmouse made the mouse better.
[01:18] <DanaG> No dropouts on USB now.
[01:18] <DanaG> Oops, or rather... not as many.
[01:18] <karleensolomon-b> didhdhjgdlhjkgkg
[01:19] <DanaG> Wow, it gives random lag spikes, too.
[01:19] <DanaG> ... on things like dragging windows.
[01:21] <Skreech> DasEi: ping
[01:21] <Skreech> karleensolomon-b: hello
[01:21] <DanaG> Hmm, lots of thing seem to be being caused by ACPI.
[01:21] <Skreech> DasEi: I figured it out
[01:21] <Skreech> The Drivers were conflicting
[01:22] <Skreech> Ok I'm having an epiphany :)
[01:23] <DanaG> Oh, I think ntfs-3g is what's causing a lot of the dropouts.
[01:23] <DanaG> I sudo latencytop --block...
[01:23] <DanaG> I get blocks on lots of page faults (even though swap is empty), and on "vfs" things.
[01:24] <DanaG> There's also quite a lot of "Scheduler: waiting for CPU"
[01:25] <DanaG> Hmm, perhaps some of it is also iwl3945.
[01:26] <DanaG> using itop, uhci is using like 1000 interrupts per second.
[01:28] <DanaG> I: main.c: We're in the group 'pulse-rt', allowing real-time scheduling.
[01:28] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_NICE, (31, 31)) failed: Operation not permitted
[01:28] <DanaG> I: main.c: setrlimit(RLIMIT_RTPRIO, (9, 9)) failed: Operation not permitted
[01:28] <DanaG> wtf... if it's "allowed"... then why is it "not permitted"?
[01:28] <Skreech> DasEi: Ha Want to hear something strange
[01:29] <Skreech> There is a Wifi card enabled in the BIOS and there is no wifi card in the laptop
[01:32] <DanaG> Odd... running it with -v isn't giving dropouts.
[01:34] <RAOF> DanaG: Connect a pavucontrol to it; that made it log the dropouts for me :)
[01:35] <DanaG> ... I need -vv also, not just -v.
[01:36] <DanaG> speaking of increasing -v: aptitude moo; aptitude -v moo; aptitude -vv moo, and so on.
[01:54] <Lofde_> oh man, downloading the amd64.iso livecd for intrepid was a lot better than trying to keep fixing the boched update that occured for me lol
[01:54] <Lofde_> I had some issues with my B43 wireless card, but i found some script i guess that i used.. to fix it
[01:55] <Lofde_> the only thing im really having issues with now, seems to be downloading files, somehow sometimes when i download things, with firefox or wget, it seems that they just time out and stop downloading for some reason ?
[02:01] <DanaG> Getting any packet loss (with ping -f for 'flood')?
[02:01] <DanaG> '-f' makes it print a dot for every packet it sends, and delete a dot for every response it receives.
[02:02] <Lofde_> 1726 packets transmitted, 0 received, +21 errors, 100% packet loss, time 21973ms
[02:02] <Lofde_> , pipe 4
[02:03] <Lofde_> ops ignore that
[02:03] <Lofde_> 19680 packets transmitted, 19677 received, 0% packet loss, time 40906ms
[02:03] <Lofde_> rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.445/2.322/800.788/16.165 ms, pipe 9, ipg/ewma 2.078/1.717 ms
[02:06] <Lofde_> I much more like using the amd64 version, i had always installed the 32 bit, and hadnt really remembered EMT64 with the intel core 2 duo's ... really nice tho :)
[02:12] <DanaG> Wow, 800ms max... that's a long time.
[02:22] <DanaG> Ooooh, I managed to manually bind my NIC to e1000.
[02:22] <DanaG> Nice.
[02:23] <DanaG> Load e1000, and then echo "vendor device subvendor subdevice class class_mask driver_data" > /sys/bus/pci/drivers/e1000/new_id
[02:23] <DanaG> where the first four things are from lspci -nnv, and the others are zero.
[02:24] <DanaG> Actaully, you can just leave off the rest after the first four.
[02:41] <Lofde_> from installing 8.10 from the live cd, i have gnome back, and all, and it says that Compiz is installed, and i turned "extra nice gui effects on" but where is the compiz setup screen to set all the cool options and stuff
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> Lofde_: ccsm, methinks
[02:53] <Lofde_> ahh thanks JontheEchidna , i typed in ccsm, and i needed to apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager
[03:03] <alex_mayorga> anyone can help me to try to get video back on bug #146706 please
[03:03] <alex_mayorga> this is still a problem on intrepid with the latest updates :(
[03:12] <DanaG> Okay, well, I figured out how to rebind e1000 to my NIC.................. but it caused hard-lockups.  :(
[03:15] <darthanubis> DanaG, http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r21154685-Warning-to-Intel-e1000e-owners
[03:16] <DanaG> Yeah, I know that... I was rebinding to the _old_ driver.
[03:16] <DanaG> The problem for my card was that 2.6.27 moved it from the old e1000 driver to the new e1000 driver.
[03:16] <DanaG> er
[03:16] <DanaG> to the new e1000e.
[03:18] <DanaG> Wait a minute... does it only corrupt ICH8 and ICH9 chips?
[03:18] <DanaG> I have an ICH7 chip with the earlier network card.
[03:22] <DanaG> b43 > iwl3945...... the latter is being all laggy and sucky when I run torrents, but the former is not.
[03:25] <DanaG> Eeh, now that I discovered that... I'll just use the b43 card instead of either Intel wired or wireless card.
[03:26] <dr3mro> help i cant recieve files via bluetooth but i can send and this was fixed in intrepid why no fix in hardy ?
[03:32] <Hew> dr3mro: Fixes are only provided for stable releases via Stable Release Updates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates
[03:34] <dr3mro> i am using hardy no fix :(
[03:34] <dr3mro> Hew, fix for hardy plz
[03:36] <Hew> dr3mro: I take it you mean bug 211252. Hardy has already been confirmed for a SRU, so you just need to wait for a fix to be made available.
[03:37] <dr3mro> Hew, can i use intrepid packages or gusty :(
[03:39] <dr3mro> Hew, plz look https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/hardy/+source/bluez-utils/+bug/211252/comments/81 some body released fix how to use it :)
[03:39] <Hew> dr3mro: I'm not familiar with that bug, but if it's a regression from Gutsy, then Gutsy would work. Intrepid is also marked as being fixed, so Intrepid would work as well. You could probably get an Intrepid LiveCD and use it that way.
[03:39] <Hew> dr3mro: That is the patch for the source. That's probably what was applied to Intrepid.
[03:40] <Hew> dr3mro: Try a LiveCD if you need a fix right now.
[03:43] <Hew> dr3mro: You could also try just installing the relevant packages from Intrepid into Hardy to see if it works. No guarantees though.
[03:43] <Hew> dr3mro: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/bluez-utils/
[04:00] <lubosz> hi
[04:00] <lubosz> is openoffice 3 rc2 already in the repos?
[04:00] <lubosz> or any oo 3 version?
[04:03] <Skreech> not that I know of
[04:03] <lubosz> hm, would be nice i think
[04:03] <Skreech> They have the debs on the OO site
[04:03] <lubosz> who decides that?
[04:03] <Skreech> Yeah but they only ship Firefox betas :)
[04:03] <lubosz> hm, maybe i fetch those
[04:04] <lubosz> wont oo be stable until intrepid does?
[04:04] <Skreech> lubosz: The technical board
[04:04] <Skreech> I think it will be a few weeks after
[04:04] <lubosz> hm, too bad, we'll have to wait untill april to see it in the repos
[04:04] <lubosz> or the alpha of 9.04
[04:05] <Skreech> It will
[04:05] <Skreech> but you can install it now in any case
[04:08] <darthanubis> lm-sensors in intrepid is showing my core2 7degrees hotter than core1. Thats not the case in Hardy
[04:08] <darthanubis> 7.5degrees is significant
[04:08] <dr3mro> Hew, no it didnt fix it .. it break to send files to i changed version to hardy again :(
[04:08] <lubosz> hm, i use the global cpu sensor
[04:09] <Hew> dr3mro: Have you tried a LiveCD like I suggested?
[04:23] <dr3mro> Hew, i dont have live cd intrepid
[04:23] <dr3mro> Hew, i have hardy
[04:23] <Hew> dr3mro: Do you have a Gutsy LiveCD?
[04:23] <dr3mro> Hew,  yes
[04:23] <Hew> dr3mro: I haven't really read the bug report, but I get the feeling it's a Hardy regression, so it may work on Gutsy LiveCD
[04:23] <dr3mro> Hew, my bluetooth works with windows and gusty its all about hardy
[04:24] <Hew> dr3mro: If it's not urgent then, wait for the SRU
[04:24] <dr3mro> Hew, do i have to use live cd to recieve a 250kb file :(
[04:25] <Hew> dr3mro: What are you talking about? Hardy has the bug and is waiting for a SRU. If you want to receive files right now, use your Gutsy LiveCD until the fix is ready for Hardy.
[04:25] <dr3mro> this bug is here since  2008-04-03 why there no fix yet
[04:26] <dr3mro> i wonder if it will :(
[04:27] <Hew> dr3mro: Subscribe to the bug report if you want to keep up to date on its progress. See if there is any useful info you can provide that will speed up the SRU process.
[04:27] <Hew> dr3mro: This channel is for Intrepid support. If you want to upgrade to Intrepid then that's fine, but otherwise, you should move to #ubuntu for Hardy support.
[04:49] <dcmorton> has anybody else seen this on intrepid? http://img.chaoticadmin.com/albums/Bugs/firefox.png or http://img.chaoticadmin.com/albums/Bugs/firefox2.png
[04:56] <lenios> dcmorton, you're expecting 8.10 welcome page? i guess you'll have to wait for release candidate
[05:00] <dcmorton> no.. the menu bar is hidden by the Applications & Places bar at the top
[05:06] <lenios> oh yes
[05:06] <lenios> i had that once or twice
[05:07] <lenios> hard to reproduce though
[05:08] <dcmorton> not really for me.. i'm able to delete my .mozilla folder and it does it again
[05:08] <dcmorton> or i can close it and open it back up and it does it if i don't move the window
[05:15] <lenios> well, i won't bother to try to delete my .mozilla folder, but i can close it multiple times and it's opening it again well
[05:17] <dcmorton> yea.. it just seems to be on a clean install that it occurs.. once you get it setup its fine
[05:17] <lenios> is it doing it only with firefox?
[05:34] <Hew> dcmorton: It's a known compiz bug.
[05:35] <dcmorton> Hew: thanks.. would you happen to know the bug number or title off-hand?
[05:35] <Hew> dcmorton: I'll find it, 1s
[05:35] <dcmorton> hew: thanks again
[05:39] <Hew> dcmorton: Bug 82654
[05:39] <Hew> dcmorton: I think there are a lot of dupes though, I haven't come across that one before.
[05:43] <dcmorton> hew: ok.. yes, disabling visual effects fixed it.. its odd that firefox is the only app i've been able to make it happen
[05:43] <Hew> dcmorton: Yes, firefox seems to trigger some unique bugs with compiz.
[05:44] <dcmorton> hew: interesting to know, learned something new tonight then
[05:50] <slaterock> i needs help installing ati drivers in 8.10
[05:50] <slaterock> any thoughts?
[05:54] <Hew> slaterock: Have you used the Hardware Drivers application?
[05:56] <slaterock> i opened it, and there are no drivers located
[05:56] <slaterock> i just installed alpha6
[06:02] <slaterock> hhmmm
[06:02] <slaterock> no clue
[08:14] <emet> !info flightgear
[08:16] <xbxb>  Why is it that the du command shows a greater total of bytes used by files than the windows explorer for the same files? Do folders have their own size (even when there are no files in them) in Linux?
[09:06] <acollins> has anyone else had problems with the screensaver coming on in intrepid?
[09:06] <acollins>  If I lock it by hand everything is fine. If I leave the workstation to time out and lock itself the screen fades to black and then reverts to the normal screen.
[09:06] <acollins> I've look in the bugs in launchpad but not found anything
[09:06] <acollins> wanted to see if I could fix it before raising a bug
[09:08] <Jordan_U> acollins: Even if you can fix it you should still file a bug
[09:09] <Jordan_U> ... report
[09:09] <acollins> Jordan_U: sure, will do
[09:09] <acollins> is there a log I can include which might have an error message about it?
[09:20] <Toobaz1> Hello. Is there any place where I can still find alpha 5? Alpha 6 has a big regression, and to document it I'd like to do some comparison...
[09:39] <mazzen> Toobaz1: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha5#Download%20Alpha%205
[09:41] <Toobaz1> mazzen:  the download link is broken
[09:44] <mazzen> Toobaz1: you could google for a torrent file
[09:48] <Toobaz1> mazzen: probably nearly done
[09:48] <Toobaz1> thanks
[09:49] <mazzen> Toobaz1: your welcome
[09:57] <Jimm-> Are there any improvements for ATI 9100IGP's S-video out capabilities in Intrepid? Right now the open source "ati" driver doesn't support S-video properly so I'm still tied to windows for it.
[10:23] <blip-> hardy
[10:23] <j00bacca> will ibex support intel g33 chipsets?
[10:23] <drhe|lap> what is this channel about? next release after hardy??
[10:27] <blip-> drhe|lap: its about tardy, the successor of hardy
[10:30] <linux1> hiya ive been test intrepid for a while and as of the last week my system has become very unstable and i cant seem to track down the problem - i had kenrel panic's and X is unstable  - here a copy of my syslog http://pastebin.com/m1780324a if it help
[10:30] <linux1> ?
[10:31] <linux1> hiya ive been test intrepid for a while and as of the last week my system has become very unstable and i cant seem to track down the problem - i had kenrel panic's and X is unstable  - here a copy of my syslog http://pastebin.com/m1780324a if it help
[10:31] <linux1> that better :)
[10:42] <Hew> linux1: Does a LiveCD boot without problems?
[10:45] <Hew> drhe|lap: This channel is for Intrepid support, which is the current development version of Ubuntu
[11:19] <MDC__> Will 3D support for ati r600 cards be availible in ibex?
[11:21] <Hew> MDC__: I believe drivers already exist for this. Surely it already works with Hardy?
[11:22] <MDC__> Hew, it works in hardy, but what I heard is that opensource drivers doesn't have 3D support for r600 yet and atis driver doesnt support Xorg 7.5 and/or kernel 2.6.27
[11:22] <MDC__> Xorg 7.4
[11:24] <Hew> MDC__: Fair enough. I have a nvidia card myself so I'm not sure. 2.6.27 had issues with nvidia at first, but those have since been fixed. I imagine it's a similar situation for AMD/ATI cards.
[11:28] <MDC__> Hew, OK so I'll wait for the release to test ibex
[11:30] <Hew> MDC__: No need to wait, you can test it now ;-)
[11:31] <MDC__> Hew, well I have a quite stable hardy setup and don't want to mess it up (yet). I could try a livecd but its only a month to release - so i could wait
[11:52] <vallhalla82> !beta
[11:53] <vallhalla82> when is the beta due?
[11:54] <MDC__> vallhalla82, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[11:54] <vallhalla82> ﻿MDC__: thank you
[13:23] <klaus_> Hello, an actual iso-cd-image of intrepid is what i am looking for. any url?
[13:23] <klaus_> text-based-installer would be good :)
[13:24] <mnemoc> klaus_: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/
[13:24] <klaus_> mnemoc, Thank You :-)
[13:24] <mnemoc> yw
[13:25] <klaus_> "Doing so may render your network hardware permanently inoperable." whoaa
[13:26] <mnemoc> Using alpha OSs may kill your pets too
[13:26] <mnemoc> and get your children in drugs
[13:26] <mnemoc> alpha OSs are evil
[13:27] <klaus_> evil cool stuff with funny crashes ;)
[13:29] <klaus_>  .... had to deinstall plasma stuff to start kde ... oO°
[13:30] <milos_> mnemoc, lol :)
[13:30] <mnemoc> :)
[13:31] <Hew> klaus_: The warning is there due to a bug in the e1000e driver. A temporary workaround is in place with the latest daily ISOs of Intrepid.
[13:32] <milos_> it was some..., yeah Hew, I just wanted to say that
[13:33] <mnemoc> Hew: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/ <--- does this support "minimal" (bootstrap) installation?
[13:35] <Hew> mnemoc: I'm not sure since I haven't tried before. If other ISOs do, then that will.
[13:36] <mnemoc> Hew: I was about to use http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso to install it on my daughters via c3 box
[13:39] <Hew> mnemoc: Alternate disks don't support netinst afaik.
[13:39] <mnemoc> oh, ic
[13:44] <Toobaz1> Excuse me, does anybody have a Alpha 5 image to share for a short time for download? I found it only via bittorrent, but is very poorly seeded and is taking many hours to download...
[13:45] <Toobaz1> (and I need it, because of a big regression in 6)
[13:46] <Hobbsee> Toobaz1: i doubt anyone will still have it.
[13:46] <Hobbsee> Toobaz1: you can't use the http instead, if you require that particular one?
[13:46] <Toobaz1> that's what I mean
[13:46] <Toobaz1> http would be perfect
[13:46] <mnemoc> Alpha5 is gone from http
[13:47] <Toobaz1> yep
[13:47] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:47] <mnemoc> Toobaz1: "daily" maybe?
[13:48] <Toobaz1> mnemoc: never heard about, let me search
[13:48] <Hobbsee> mnemoc: it won't be that.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> mnemoc: daily is even later than alpha 6.
[13:48] <Hobbsee> Toobaz1: you might check if any mirrors still keep a copy of it
[13:48] <mnemoc> Hobbsee: but the "regression" he mentions may be already fixed
[13:49] <Hobbsee> mnemoc: that's true.  assuming the cd installs at all.
[13:49] <mnemoc> =)
[13:49] <Hobbsee> otoh, beta's coming soon
[13:49] <Toobaz1> I'll test
[13:49] <Hobbsee> so will need testing in hte next couple of days, iirc.
[13:49] <Hobbsee> Toobaz1: what's failing on a6?
[13:50] <Toobaz1> a kernel panic few seconds after boot
[13:50] <Hobbsee> ah
[13:50] <Toobaz1> if you give me few minutes I can be more precise
[13:50] <Toobaz1> but on 5 it wasn't there
[13:50]  * Hobbsee is no kernel dev, so it doesn't make much difference to her :)
[13:50] <Toobaz1> ok
[13:53] <mnemoc> Toobaz1: take a picture of the panic ;-)
[13:53] <Toobaz1> I'm just redownloading the iso, then that's what I will do
[13:57] <mnemoc> sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb bs=4096 .... what a lovely command :p
[14:07] <thompa> hello, how can i reinstall driver for Intel. was Nvidia? Ive tried dpkg-reconfigure, used to be xorg.conf to edit but its empty
[14:08] <thompa> I wonder why there is no tool for graphic card in admin, or where is it?
[14:09] <mnemoc> thompa: Xorg 7.4 is supposed to be "smart enough" to do it for you
[14:10] <mnemoc> thompa: empty xorg.cong is _supposed_ to "just work"
[14:10] <thompa> mnemoc: i know, but its worse for me
[14:10] <thompa> do i have to reinstall
[14:11] <CarlFK> i installed madwifi-tools and now my Atheros doesn't work - guessing it is because it installed the old madwifi driver which not playing nice with ath5k
[14:12] <thompa> mnemoc: im out of ideas if I cant install graphic card and xorg is not working,
[14:13] <mnemoc> thompa: look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what's going wrong
[14:13] <thompa> ok
[14:13] <thompa> mnemoc: it tells me cant find driver for "nv"
[14:13] <thompa> i dont have nv
[14:14] <thompa> I removed the nvidia card and have intel graphics which always used to work
[14:15] <thompa> i guess i could remove xorg nv
[14:15] <CarlFK> thompa: you tried deleteing xorg.conf?
[14:16] <thompa> CarlFK: Im going to try that, i used the restore stuff, new xorg etc
[14:25] <nblracer> hello
[14:29] <nblracer> i'm still haveing problems with power mangment tools
[14:29] <nblracer> nothing seems to work
[14:30] <nblracer> does not detect lid closing, wrong battery status, wont recover a suspend/sleep status, wont hibernate
[14:31] <nblracer> i tried using kpowersave, and that did not help
[14:31] <nblracer> so i thought it could be a problem deeper then the gui frontend
[14:33] <nblracer> for a test, i modified lid.sh, so that it would execute regardless if there was another manergment running
[14:34] <nblracer> it the the screen did turn off when lid was closed
[14:45] <nblracer> any-one?
[14:50] <nblracer> another bug, the quick search in synaptic manger, causes the computer become un responsive at times
[14:51] <Oli``> Anyone in here able to play Oblivion on Wine on Intrepid?
[15:00] <CarlFK> i installed madwifi-tools, and now my AR242x doesn't work.  so I removed madwifi-tools, rebooted, still doesn't work
[15:02] <Hew> Oli``: You might be better off looking at http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=3150 or asking in #winehq , but I don't expect there would be any problems.
[15:14] <Toobaz3> mnemoc: Alpha 6 is up and running in my laptop, I'm unable to reproduce the kernel panic. I think the partitioning I made in the meanwhile changed things, or the first intrepid image was corrupted. In any case, sorry for disturbing.
[15:15] <mnemoc> Toobaz3: :)
[15:42] <bardyr> Hey, i have a problem, when i booted up intrepid today none of my usb mouses worked
[15:42] <bardyr> it wont show up in dmesg or anything, is this a known bug or how can i do some more troubleshooting ?
[15:43]  * CarlFK digs up usb mouse...
[15:44] <CarlFK> Bus 001 Device 003: ID 046d:c00e Logitech, Inc. M-BJ58/M-BJ69 Optical Wheel Mouse
[15:44] <CarlFK> [  744.846781] input: Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse as /class/input/input10
[15:44] <CarlFK> [  744.882395] input,hidraw0: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Logitech USB-PS/2 Optical Mouse] on usb-0000:00:02.0-4
[15:44] <CarlFK> works-for-me
[15:44] <bardyr> CarlFK, kk, thanks
[15:45] <CarlFK> bardyr: dosn't show up in lsusb?
[15:45] <bardyr> CarlFK, nope
[15:45] <bardyr> CarlFK, can it have something to do with im not able to login with gnome but need to use gnome failsafe?
[15:45] <CarlFK> that's a pretty low level problem - like with usb in general
[15:46] <CarlFK> doubt anything to do with x or gnome
[15:46] <bardyr> yea
[15:48] <bardyr> hmm, none of my USB devices work
[16:31] <htrejh> hi
[16:31] <htrejh> i hate something in nautilus: previews are huge in comparaison with the icons, is it still like that in latest gnome 2.24 in intrepid?
[16:35] <zniavre> they are a bit bigger than icons right
[16:38] <htrejh> this sucks :(
[16:38] <htrejh> and hwo does it look in column view?
[16:53] <alex_mayorga> a charitable soul that could help me get video back, please
[16:53] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, whats wrong?
[16:55] <alex_mayorga> I have an old laptop with a broken LCD that I inherited that I hock up to a 26 inc lcd as my main pc
[16:55] <alex_mayorga> bug #146706 essentially
[16:57] <alex_mayorga> bardyr: the LCD only shows a gibberish rainbow of colors, If I pres ctrl+alt+fX y get to consoles
[16:58] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh
[16:58] <alex_mayorga> I've tried the xfix option on the recovery menu with no luck
[16:58] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[16:58] <alex_mayorga> bardyr, done a bunch of times, want me to retry?
[16:58] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, no
[16:59] <bardyr> alex_mayorga, can you paste the xorg log somewhere?
[17:00] <mickep> If I leave my laptop for 5 minutes then the network has stopped to work when I get back and the clock has stopped. Both starts again when I move the mouse, but I loose open ssh connections and the clock has the wrong time... Any ideas?
[17:01] <dreamnid> mickep: wow
[17:01] <dreamnid> mickep: what laptop?
[17:03] <alex_mayorga> bardyr, can you help me get ssh into that laptop so I can gather the info?
[17:03] <mickep> dreamnid: A clevo (see http://hurf.mine.nu/lspci )
[17:03] <mickep> dreamnid: let me look more carefully for the name of the laptop
[17:04] <alex_mayorga> bardyr: never mind, I'm installing openssh
[17:05] <mickep> dreamnid: Clevo MobiNote, M720R T8300
[17:07] <dreamnid> hmm, I would see if somebody filed a bug in launchpad
[17:07] <dreamnid> and if not, file a new one
[17:07] <mickep> dreamnid: I did file one about the network problem
[17:08] <mickep> (but at that time I did not see the clock problem)
[17:08] <mickep> bug 267719
[17:08] <dreamnid> yeah, that's really weird about the clock stopping too
[17:09] <mickep> indeed, right now it is 3h20min off :)
[17:09] <mickep> at some point it will be updated against ntp again, but that seems to take some time
[17:09] <dreamnid> I would see if you can change the title of the bug to say something like "network / time issue on idle" and update the bug with the time issue
[17:10] <dreamnid> right
[17:10] <mickep> OK, I will try to do that
[17:18] <mickep> dreamnid: OK, the bug report is updated. I would be happy to provide more info if I only knew what info to provide :)
[17:19] <dreamnid> yeah, I hear ya
[17:21] <alex_mayorga> bardyr: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/51721/
[17:24] <alex_mayorga> might it be the belkin Flip KVM? I don't see any errors on my log
[17:30] <Splex> i am currently trying to get opengl 2.0 enabled on my intel x4500   glxinfo keeps reporting 1.4 anyone know how to fix this?
[19:12] <papna> I'm using Intrepid and my proprietary nvidia drivers have quit working. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling and have found lots of missing packages, including the headers for my kernel, which seem to cause me problems.
[19:12] <papna> I dist-upgraded to get to Intrepid.
[19:19] <mnemoc> papna: you have to go for free drivers... at least until they release drivers for xorg 7.4
[19:19] <defrysk> my goodness, am I ever happy with my intel vid-card.....
[19:19] <papna> mnemoc: Thanks for the advce. That's just not going to work for me. Is there an easy way for me to use an older version of X?
[19:20] <mnemoc> papna: switching back to 8.04
[19:20] <papna> mnemoc: Is there an automated way for me to do that, or will I have to install from scratch?
[19:20] <mnemoc> no idea
[19:21] <papna> mnemoc: Incidentally, it worked fine for a few days after I dist-upgraded.
[19:21] <defrysk> papna, if you have to revert a reinstall is the best way
[19:22] <mnemoc> in 8.04 I was using fglrx (proprietary ati drivers), now I use radeon and it looks even better (after choosing the right mode using xrandr)
[19:22] <papna> mnemoc: The Free nvidia drivers do not seem to have the performance I need.
[19:25] <defrysk> papna, write nvidia complain and ask them to open up their source and tell them youll never buy a nvidia card again
[19:26] <papna> Thanks. :)
[19:26] <defrysk> papna, iits nvidia issue
[20:17] <tretle> Hi, I just did a fresh install of intrepid and screens and graphics is no longer installed and I cant find it in the repo... Ubuntu has never really played well with my LG FLATRON L1715S.. Wont auto detect my resolution and sticks me with 800x600.. What are my options now that screens and graphics are gone?
[20:17] <tretle> I would also like to be able to use vesa for the majority of the time but switch drivers every now and then for testing purposes
[20:23] <tretle> anyone?
[20:24] <m_newton> anyone here have problems with noip2
[20:24] <m_newton> sry
[20:24] <m_newton> anyone here have problems with noip2
[20:25] <ronny> is that something like dyndns?
[20:25] <m_newton> yes
[20:25] <m_newton> it is returning 192.168.1.*
[20:26] <m_newton> when it should be returing my real ip
[20:27] <m_newton> anyone get this problem at all?
[20:28] <m_newton> ok nm
[20:29] <los|s> how is pulseaudio in intrepid?
[20:29] <los|s> better configured?
[20:34] <crimsun> well, you could stick around.  Or not.  Heh.
[20:36] <darthanubis> I have absolutely NO working flash
[20:36] <darthanubis> just a black window where the video should be
[20:37] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I do seem to get glitching in PA 0.9.12 when the system is under heavy load... especially when that load is on the cardbus slot, for some reason.
[20:38] <darthanubis> don't even get me started on PA
[20:39] <darthanubis> is flash working for anyone?
[20:39] <defrysk> lfor me yes
[20:39] <defrysk> 32 bit however
[20:39] <DanaG> So, if I use a cardbus sound card... or a cardbus wifi card with a USB sound card... I get dropouts when under root user load.
[20:39] <Unksi> defrysk: yes, 64bit
[20:39] <darthanubis> I'm 64bit but have the nsdwrapper
[20:40] <Unksi> sorry for wrong hilight^
[20:40] <defrysk> 64 bit i do not use 32 bit is easyer for lazy me
[20:40] <Unksi> darthanubis: i had problems with it recently, got it fixed by reinstalling flash.. have you tried that?
[20:40] <darthanubis> I always try that first
[20:41] <defrysk> openjdk is not all that yet either
[20:41] <darthanubis> which version of flashplugin-nonfree you guys using
[20:41] <defrysk> 10 beta in intrepid
[20:41] <Unksi> 10.0.1.218+10.0.0.525ubuntu1
[20:42] <darthanubis> hmmm
[20:42] <darthanubis> I have a ppa3 version?
[20:42] <crimsun> obviously not in intrepid, then.
[20:42] <Unksi> yep
[20:43] <darthanubis> adjusting repo\
[20:43] <darthanubis> I only changed the repo to get newer PA
[20:43] <crimsun> we haven't pushed 10 RC in, because nspluginwrapper bails pretty horribly.  Bug's known, I've looked at a couple fixes.
[20:43] <DanaG> stupid iwl3945 driver... it really is über-crap.  b43 card works much better -- but it's a cardbus card, and can cause audio dropouts as mentioned above.
[20:47] <darthanubis> should libflashsupport be installed?
[20:47] <Unksi> it conflicts with flashplugin-nonfree
[20:48] <defrysk> libflashsupport - Support library for sound output of Flash 9+ with PulseAudio
[20:51] <crimsun> darthanubis: no, don't install it.
[20:52] <darthanubis> thx
[21:04] <infecto> hello, i`m searching for repositories to iterpid ibex with kde3 packages, i need it ;)
[21:04] <Unksi> intrepid has kde4, with few kde3 components that are not ready yet (like amarok and k3b)
[21:05] <infecto> i know that, i`m using intrepid right now
[21:05] <infecto> but kde4 is not in my style and ... i dont like it
[21:05] <infecto> its to slow for me
[21:05] <infecto> and i have problem with configuring it
[21:05] <defrysk> kde4 is very slow in intrepid
[21:06] <infecto> i dont wana discus about speed of kde4, i`m just searching kde3 packages for intrepid ;)
[21:06] <defrysk> gnome rocks in intrepid
[21:07] <infecto> i use kde 3.x form years and now ... you cut my head :) just like that :)
[21:07] <infecto> thats not good
[21:08] <infecto> who make the decision :) i wana to talk with Him ;)
[21:08] <infecto> eye to eye :)
[21:09] <defrysk> infecto, http://lwn.net/Articles/297553/
[21:09] <defrysk> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion
[21:09] <defrysk> KDE 3 is obsolete and largely unmaintained. Keeping with KDE 3 would offer no advantage over giving users Hardy.
[21:11] <defrysk> poor decision
[21:11] <defrysk> imo
[21:12] <infecto> my to
[21:13] <infecto> its smell like politics decision to me ;)
[21:14] <defrysk> baby jesus is gonna be upset
[21:15] <infecto> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=854315&page=8
[21:15] <infecto> o ;)
[21:15] <infecto> maybe it will work :)
[21:18] <hansin> infecto: I have no clue for sure, but I would be surprised if some third party put a KDE3 repo together for Intrepid.
[21:21] <infecto> hansin: why? is it so big problem?
[21:22] <infecto> i dont understand, in hardy i can have installed kde3 and kde4 AND pick betwen them
[21:22] <tretle> where can I find the displayconfig-gtk package
[21:22] <tretle> ?
[21:22] <infecto> im kdm
[21:23] <infecto> and now You trying to tell me that its hard?
[21:25] <defrysk> kde4 should have a legacy option to revert to the old ways
[21:25] <defrysk> even vista has that option
[21:26] <hansin> infecto: I have not a clue.  I am not a Ubuntu dev.  It sounds like a choice was made that KDE4 is the future in Ubuntu, and they are driving in that direction.  That being the case, it would be up to a third party to provide KDE3 packages from Intrepid and beyond.  In fact that third party could be you if you wanted.  I'm just saying.  I really have no info here, I am jsut saying.
[21:27] <defrysk> soon therewill be a kubuntu-legacy
[21:28] <infecto> hansin: ok, thansk a loot.
[21:31] <infecto> maybe its time to switch to gnome
[21:31] <infecto> hmmm
[21:31] <defrysk> gnome rocks
[21:31] <defrysk> imo of course
[21:32] <markf_> gnome 2.24 :)
[21:32] <defrysk> ineed yes
[21:33] <brandonperry> hi, has anyone been able to install the nvidia drivers for a geforce4 on intrepid yet?
[21:33] <infecto> 2.24 on the way
[21:33] <markf_> yeah
[21:33] <markf_> 1 month to go
[21:34] <defrysk> its in intrepid and runs like a charm
[21:34] <markf_> :)
[21:35] <defrysk> intrepid is stable 4 weeks too soon ;p
[21:35] <brandonperry> no one has nvidia with intrepid?
[21:35] <defrysk> not me luckily
[21:35] <markf_> really?
[21:35] <markf_> i will wait until the release
[21:35] <defrysk> jk
[21:35] <defrysk> good decision
[21:35] <markf_> my hardy is rocking
[21:35] <infecto> brandonperry: i have
[21:35] <infecto> it works ok
[21:36] <infecto> but my fn keys dont work any more :)
[21:36] <brandonperry> infecto: mine won't install at all
[21:36] <brandonperry> build errors with DKMS
[21:36]  * defrysk has an intel based chipset
[21:36] <defrysk> and man is that easy
[21:36] <infecto> brandonperry: you install it how?
[21:36] <brandonperry> I tried with jockey
[21:36] <brandonperry> and that never works
[21:36] <markf_> i hope that the flash will use less cpu
[21:37] <brandonperry> so I figured I would try it with the drivers nvidia supplie
[21:37] <brandonperry> that doesn't work
[21:37] <hansin> By the way, I just noticed I was "I'm just saying" twice.  I meant to just say once !! ;)
[21:37] <defrysk> markf_, i can play avi's now with compiz running
[21:37] <defrysk> without too much cpu upsets
[21:38] <hansin> I guess that was sort of a roll on rant, thought it really wasn't a rant I'd say (IMO).
[21:38] <infecto> brandonperry: i go just to system settings and hardware drivers and just enable nvidia
[21:38] <markf_> which video crd?
[21:38] <infecto> and thats how
[21:38] <brandonperry> infecto: yeah, that doesn't work
[21:38] <infecto> when i try install it manualy it crash to
[21:38] <hansin> s/though
[21:38] <markf_> i can do that too with my x3100 video card
[21:38] <infecto> brandonperry: sry, for me works fine.
[21:38] <infecto> brandonperry: i do it in kde4 :)
[21:39] <markf_> defrysk:  i can do that too with my x3100 video card
[21:39] <grimboy> I've just upgraded and have an intel 915GM. Scrolling up and the like is really pretty slow. I think it's because I'm using a Virtual size of greater than 2048x2048.
[21:39] <infecto> its for sure that :)
[21:39] <infecto> 915 is weak and old card :(
[21:40] <markf_> infecto: i have the GM965
[21:41] <defrysk> me too , mobile
[21:41] <markf_> yep
[21:41] <defrysk> compaq low end laptop
[21:41] <markf_> works well in hardy, defrysk
[21:41] <defrysk> presario a900
[21:41] <markf_> i have the dell 1525, defrysk
[21:42] <defrysk> markf_, also in intrepid :)
[21:42] <markf_> defrysk:  cooll
[21:42] <markf_> cool
[21:42] <defrysk> cheap and humming nicely
[21:42] <grimboy> What's funny is it's faster scrolling a firefox running in XP in VirtualBox than it is native.
[21:43] <markf_> yeah, which wireless card do u have?
[21:43]  * defrysk has an atheros
[21:43] <grimboy> I've tried to turn off hardware rendering (Xgl?), but I still get slow rescanning of windows.
[21:43] <defrysk> pretty recent model but wrks in intrepid
[21:44] <defrysk> Atheros AR242x
[21:44] <defrysk> madwifi had probs with it
[21:44] <markf_> defrysk: good :) as long as it works
[21:44] <grimboy> I don't mind losing 3d etc. Is there any way I can make it smoother? (Maybe I should switch to awesome3 and install xcb?)
[21:45] <defrysk> i used to compile the madwifi-hal manually for it
[21:45] <markf_> defrysk:  i have the intel 3945
[21:45] <defrysk> not needed anymore now
[21:45] <defrysk> markf_, great
[21:45] <defrysk> intel is the open way
[21:46] <markf_> yep, and i use wicd, defrysk
[21:46] <petersaints> Guys... What's the current state of Intrepid?? I mean... can it be used sd an non criticial criticial desktop system?
[21:47] <defrysk> petersaints, for me it works but thats just me
[21:47] <grimboy> petersaints: See /topic I suppose.
[21:47] <grimboy> petersaints: But yeah, nothing badly broken for me.
[21:48] <petersaints> Well... maybe I'll just wait for the Beta next Thursday :P
[21:48] <infecto> lol
[21:49] <infecto> gnome 2.24 works fine ;) and have all functionality of kde 3.5.x :)
[21:49] <infecto> all i need :)
[21:49] <petersaints> yeah I'm looking foward GNOME 2.24
[21:49] <petersaints> os[Linux 2.6.24-21-generic i686] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[1 x AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3800+ (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.64GHz] mem[Physical: 2.0GB, 79.7% free] disk[Total: 190.3GB, 81.8% free] video[nVidia Corporation NV43 [GeForce 6600 GT]] sound[NFORCE - NVidia CK8041: MPU-401 UART - MPU-401 UART2: USB-Audio - USB Device 0x46d:0x8b2]
[21:49] <petersaints> I'm using 8.04.1 right now
[21:50] <infecto> and its rly fast :)
[21:50] <infecto> maybe its asassian try for kde? :)
[21:50] <markf_> infecto: nice
[21:51] <petersaints> GNOME 2.24 final has alreay landed on Intrepid?
[21:51] <infecto> petersaints: yep
[21:51] <defrysk> if you like kdeoh yes
[21:51] <defrysk> oh yes
[21:51] <defrysk> hmm sorry for that typo
[21:54] <JackWinter> at what date will the release candidate be out ?
[21:54] <petersaints> 1 week before the final release
[21:55] <JackWinter> which is set for when ?
[21:55] <petersaints> 30 October
[21:55] <mattik> Is there coming fix for hda intel sound problems
[21:55] <JackWinter> will there be some betas first ?
[21:55] <defrysk> mattik, thats kernel issue
[21:55] <defrysk> should be fixed by then tho
[21:56] <mattik> ok, I wait
[21:56] <markf_> what is ur problem, just use alsa, mattik
[21:56] <markf_> :)
[21:56] <JackWinter> how usable is the alpha6 ?  have a problem with kubuntu 8.04 and am itching to upgrade :)
[21:56] <Unksi> JackWinter: works well enough for me
[21:57] <mattik> markf_: How can I enable alsa in KDE?
[21:57] <defrysk> JackWinter, kdeusers have only a kde4 choice
[21:57] <DanaG> STupid broken nvidia 96.
[22:00] <petersaints> BTW as anyone tried to make a direct update??
[22:01] <petersaints> *ha
[22:01] <petersaints> *has
[22:01] <petersaints> I'm in no mood of burning a CD xD LoL
[22:01] <grimboy> petersaints: Yeah.
[22:01] <petersaints> it works well??
[22:01] <petersaints> upgrading from 8.04?
[22:01] <grimboy> Oh, no.
[22:01] <grimboy> Wait, yes.
[22:01] <grimboy> (Confused by version numbers)
[22:02] <markf_> mattik: this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=314383
[22:02] <grimboy> Yeah, but I'm not using gnome or anything so you make have a very different experience.
[22:02] <mattik> markf_:thank you :)
[22:02] <JackWinter> defrysk: yeah, i'm abit hesitant to embrace 4.1 :)
[22:02] <defrysk> JackWinter, many are..
[22:02] <markf_> mattik: oops, that's a bit old one
[22:04] <JackWinter> maybe i should do a parallel install, i have a couple of 10gb partitions and a separate /home
[22:08] <axyjo> hi all, when exactly does intrepid release? 24th oct, right?
[22:08] <petersaints> 30 Oct
[22:08] <axyjo> thanks.
[22:08] <axyjo> also, will upgrading be as simple as apt-get upgrade->update?
[22:08] <axyjo> *other way around..
[22:09] <defrysk> yes
[22:09] <petersaints> I'm still unsure wether I'll go 32-bit ou 64-bit this time =S
[22:09] <axyjo> sweet.
[22:09] <defrysk> petersaints, 32bit is less complicated and about as fast
[22:10] <petersaints> yeah basicly is what makes me still use 32-bit
[22:10] <petersaints> mainly because Flash is much more stable
[22:10] <defrysk> axyjo, read the reasenotes when it comes out
[22:10] <petersaints> withou the nspluginwrapper layer
[22:10] <defrysk> yes
[22:10] <petersaints> *without
[22:10] <defrysk> me too
[22:10] <axyjo> defrysk: on the wiki, right?
[22:11] <petersaints> are you using Intreprid 32-bit defrysk?
[22:11] <defrysk> axyjo, yes and keep an eye on distrowatch for the needed links/info
[22:11] <defrysk> yes
[22:11] <axyjo> sure thing, thanks.
[22:13] <defrysk> petersaints, i could not detect any major speeddifferences between 32/64 bit
[22:13] <petersaints> neither do I
[22:13] <defrysk> so 32bit is my choice
[22:13] <petersaints> and I saw a 40% increase in memory usage
[22:14] <petersaints> on some apps
[22:14] <petersaints> like Firefox
[22:14] <petersaints> I'm going to do a dist-upgrade :P LoL
[22:14] <petersaints> if that fails I'll burn a CD (having a separate /home rocks)
[22:14] <defrysk> petersaints, good luck
[22:15] <petersaints> just one more question
[22:15] <petersaints> Envy works on Intrepid?
[22:16] <petersaints> on the website it only mentions 8.04
[22:16] <defrysk> nvidia seems a prob on intrepid for some
[22:16] <petersaints> :S
[22:16] <petersaints> that's bad
[22:16] <petersaints> well I mainly want Intrepid for GNOME 2.24
[22:16] <defrysk> so be aware of that
[22:16] <petersaints> and few newer apps
[22:16] <petersaints> but those newer apps I have them via GetDeb
[22:16] <petersaints> and ppa repositories
[22:16] <defrysk> maybe better to wait a few weekts
[22:17] <mattik> markf_: Do I have to reboot
[22:17] <petersaints> yeah you're right
[22:17] <defrysk> 2.24 is good but 2.22 rocks too
[22:17] <mattik> I try alsa now
[22:23] <mattik> markf_: I got sounds, thank you :)
[22:25] <mattik> gome system sounds works the second time after installing
[22:25] <mattik> gnome
[22:26] <mattik> I try flash
[22:27] <mattik> no flash sounds
[22:27] <mattik> I try wma
[22:28] <defrysk> mattik, try flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[22:29] <mattik> defrysk: ok, how about wma?
[22:29]  * defrysk uses pulseaudio , wma works fine here
[22:29] <DanaG> yay, pulseaudio.
[22:31] <mattik> Do you have firefox-plugin for pulseaudio?
[22:31] <defrysk> dunno
[22:31] <defrysk> did not check
[22:31] <mattik> I like to watch news from yle and so on
[22:32] <defrysk> hmm
[22:32] <infecto> hmm
[22:32] <defrysk> ;p
[22:32] <infecto> how to turn of network manager? :)
[22:32] <infecto> it was hard to up my network :)
[22:35] <soleblaze>  Xorg seems to be taking too many cpu resources.  Just having a window open that refreshes it self every second causes it to use 20% CPU.  I'm using an aspire one with an Intel 945GM chipset.  Has anyone heard of this problem before? (I'm using Intrepid and the intel driver)
[22:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there. A question to laptop intrepid users: does gnome-power-manager work fine for you? I commented on a bug regarding the battery status not being updated after suspend but now it seems to me that it happens randomly
[22:37] <mattik> defrysk: Maybe I have to disable systemsounds
[22:38] <defrysk> mattik, maybe
[22:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> no people using laptops?
[22:48] <grimboy> soleblaze: Is scrolling up in firefox etc. really slow/jerky?
[22:52] <infecto> o mannnnn
[22:52] <infecto> NetworkManager is so messed up
[23:04] <darthanubis> this damn pulseaudio is the worst!
[23:04] <darthanubis> what ccould be wrong NOW?
[23:04] <darthanubis> it was just playing audio via flash
[23:05] <darthanubis> but now, the sound pref app won't play the test sounds
[23:05] <darthanubis> no sound from Banshee, the song won't even progress
[23:05] <darthanubis> I guess the npviewer or firefox is still going so that means nothing else can play sound?
[23:05] <darthanubis> the PA server is still running and connected
[23:05] <darthanubis> I don't get it
[23:06] <darthanubis> I followed the Pulse Audio perfect setup, Ubuntu's PA wiki, all to no avail
[23:14] <darthanubis> ok can't play audio if flash is running
[23:16] <DanaG> Heh, if I disable glitch-free feature of PA 0.9.12... it doesn't drop out so much.
[23:16] <DanaG> Have you done 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio'?
[23:16] <RAOF> DanaG: That's actually to be expected :)
[23:16] <RAOF> (At least if glitch-free is dropping out ;))
[23:17] <DanaG> Heh, glitch-free....
[23:17] <DanaG> =þ
[23:17] <DanaG> NOt for me.
[23:18] <RAOF> glitch-free* (*When your drivers don't suck)
[23:18] <DanaG> In fact, the only thing that doesn't drop out... is my hda-intel card.
[23:18] <DanaG> emu10k1 drops out...
[23:18] <DanaG> usb-audio drops out, too.
[23:18] <RAOF> Wheras my usb speakers power through just fine, but my hda-intel drops out :)
[23:21] <DanaG> Odd.
[23:21] <RAOF> Not really.  hda-intel is merely a loosely-defined sound card interface spec, IIUC.
[23:22] <darthanubis> sorry back
[23:22] <darthanubis>  Have you done 'asoundconf set-pulseaudio'?
[23:22] <darthanubis> uh I have a ~/.asoundconf
[23:22] <darthanubis> if thats what your asking
[23:23] <darthanubis> your running PA 9.12?
[23:23] <darthanubis> from PPA?
[23:24] <darthanubis> I just dropped back to Intrepid's default 9.10
[23:24] <DanaG> I just disabled glitch-free.
[23:24] <darthanubis> whats this "glitch-free" of which you refer?
[23:30] <DanaG> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio
[23:34] <darthanubis> DanaG, so you don't reccomend "GF"?
[23:37] <DanaG> Eeh, it's a YMMV ("Your Mileage May Vary") sort of thing.
[23:38] <darthanubis> ok but how about a link to get flash working and keep normal audio
[23:38] <darthanubis> or have more than one app using pulse or playing audio
[23:38] <darthanubis> \
[23:41] <darthanubis> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=4928900
[23:42] <kingbilly> recent update removed listen music player, cannot reinstall due to python-gnome2-extras dependency, anyone have a solution or similar problem?
[23:43] <RAOF> kingbilly: The solution was to have not installed the update which removed python-gnome2-extras.
[23:43] <RAOF> kingbilly: Now you have to wait until the new python-gnome2-extras is built and mirrored.
[23:56] <kingbilly> RAOF thanks
[23:58] <Delvien> installing the alpha, very excited, lots of new things :D