[00:27] <cjwatson> pochu: I've rejected meta-gnome2 at your request
[00:31] <pochu> cjwatson: thanks
[00:32] <pochu> cjwatson: reuploaded, in case you can approve it
[00:32]  * pochu waves good night
[00:37] <cjwatson> pochu: approved - in future you probably should credit changes you make to yourself rather than listing them under somebody else's changes though!
[00:38] <pochu> cjwatson: they are not my changes, I noticed Pedro had added a new debdiff just after uploading the previous one
[00:38] <pochu> but it's Pedro's debdiff without any change
[00:39] <pochu> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/meta-gnome2/+bug/273015 ftr
[00:47] <cjwatson> pochu: ok
[01:41] <sistpoty> hi, can any archive-admin please reject my upload of gnome-iconedit? (my mirror is outdated, and I've only found out right now that it was removed a few hours ago :()
[01:56] <wgrant> Hmm, the new default background reminds of Hoary, I think.
[02:00] <slangasek> pochu: I'm thinking that the alternative is still the right way to do it, and that python-wxgtk2.8 has a separate bug, so I would argue for fixing both to use alternatives right
[05:39] <emgent> gmoin
[05:43] <calc> yipee OOo 3.0 rc2 finally finished building
[05:47] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: why doesn't hte web UI allow you to reject packages?
[05:47] <Hobbsee> oh, lack of u-a.  right
[05:48]  * Hobbsee rejects gnome-iconedit
[08:57] <fargiolas> geser: I opened that bug (libselinux) we were talking about yesterday -> LP #275082
[09:13] <emgent> tseliot: o/
[09:14] <tseliot> emgent: hi
[09:51] <fargiolas> geser: thanks
[11:34] <Hobbsee> tseliot: ping?
[11:34] <tseliot> Hobbsee: hi
[11:35] <tseliot> anything I can help you with?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> tseliot: i was looking through unmet deps recently, and it seems that there's still a fair chunk of nvidia-type stuff on there.  Were you planning to examine it, and hopefully make some of the stuff installable again?
[11:36] <Hobbsee> Presumably you're one of the better people to do it
[11:38] <tseliot> Hobbsee: unmet deps? Any examples I can have a look at?
[11:39] <Hobbsee> tseliot: apt-cache unmet -i
[11:39] <Hobbsee> tseliot: grep as appropriate
[11:40] <tseliot> Hobbsee: aah, the -envy flavours. I thought we removed them
[11:40] <Hobbsee> tseliot: unsure.  it appears not.
[11:40] <tseliot> I'll make sure they are removed from Intrepid
[11:40] <Hobbsee> tseliot: cool, thanks :)
[11:40] <tseliot> Hobbsee: thanks a lot for reporting the problem :-)
[11:41] <Hobbsee> tseliot: thanks in advance for fixing it :)
[11:43] <tseliot> ;)
[11:45] <persia> tseliot: Do you not need them to ensure safe upgrades from hardy?
[11:46] <persia> (obviously, being installable is good, but in terms of packages names: are dummy packages required)
[11:47] <tseliot> persia: I'm working with mvo on this. Nvidia-common and Update manager should help users with the transition.
[11:48] <tseliot> even if users dist-upgrade from the command line they will be warned by nvidia-common's debconf dialog
[11:48] <tseliot> otherwise Update Manager will install the new drivers automatically
[11:48] <persia> Hrm.  OK.  Personally, I generally believe the need for hints in update-manager represents a bug, and we ought try to do it with dummy packages, but given the complexity of this particular transition, debconf may work.
[11:49] <tseliot> persia: unfortunately Nvidia dropped the support for a few cards and 2 out 4 driver flavours don't work in Intrepid
[11:50] <tseliot> therefore some users will have to be migrated to the open source driver while others will use the new proprietary drivers
[11:50] <tseliot> but yes, I see your point
[11:52] <persia> tseliot: Ah, so there not really a package -> package mapping, but more a new and different card -> driver mapping.  Yeah, that requires hints.
[11:52] <tseliot> persia: yes, exactly
[11:59] <ion_> Provides-Driver: pci:v00001002d00004150*, ...
[11:59] <ion_> :-)
[12:00] <tseliot> hehe
[12:02] <persia> ion_: Surely you don't actually want to fill *everyone's* apt cache with that sort of thing (also see http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/blog/entry/package-management-sudoku/ )
[12:04] <ion_> I don’t. :-) It wasn’t a very serious suggestion.
[12:27] <Hobbsee> persia: someone has *far* too much time on their hands ;)
[12:28] <persia> Hobbsee: Or a deep understanding of package management, and a desire for more complex test cases to improve performance.  Depends on how you want to look at it.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> persia: in that case, i'm surprised he hasn't expressed aptitude and/or apt in brainfuck, or something.
[12:29] <persia> The idea is to *improve* performance
[12:30] <ion_> hobbsee: I wanted to keep track of my circadian rhythm. So i wrote a program to keep track of my computer usage. It figures out when i’m sleeping more or less automatically. And i wrote a program that creates a graph of the data. :-P
[12:30]  * persia doesn't generally participate in language wars, but that's an exceptional language
[12:30] <Hobbsee> ion_: heh.  That sounds vaguely useful - although, do you only sleep and use a computer?
[12:35] <ion_> I tend to use it to print all intervals i have been idle for more than an hour (ruby -I~/src/own/idlemeter/ruby -ridlemeter -e 'puts IdleMeter::Analyze.intervals.find_all {|i| i.mode == :idle and i.length >= 3600 }') and pick the ones during which i was obviously sleeping. It can be made a bit more intelligent, though, see http://heh.fi/tmp/idlemeter.
[12:39] <ion_> One could always implement some kind of a self-learning network. ;-)
[13:55] <ompaul> juliux, had to restart gnome - big fail
[13:55] <ompaul> juliux, now for massive lag ping me a lot for the next minute or two
[14:16] <psyke83> \sh: hey, it seems that ia32-libs is still causing problems for the latest flash plugin, do you have any idea what's wrong?
[18:00] <Cheery> I've realised this weird keyboard I have has bunch of buttons that have stuff like screen brightness and such
[18:03] <Cheery> and 7 F-buttons than usual
[18:03] <Cheery> 7 more*
[18:04] <Treenaks> Cheery: do they work?
[18:05] <Cheery> some of them do!
[18:05] <Cheery> this is apple's flat keyboard
[18:06] <Cheery> but I realise the desktop does not perhaps even recognise two of the buttons on this keyboard
[18:07] <Cheery> the F-buttons appear to be function buttons, and have fn-buttons under them
[18:07] <Cheery> which can be used through fn-button that's on the place of insert
[18:08] <Cheery> the two unrecognised buttons are those special buttons, that become F3 and F4 through fn-button
[18:34] <ion_> Darn. No MPX support in intrepid’s xorg, it seems. Oh well, we’ll have intrepid+1 soon.