[15:30] <tuxxy__> hello, I have an unofficial 64-bit linux user group registered on freenode as #ubuntu-64-bit is this   allowed or would i need to rename it to something like ##ubuntu-64-bit
[15:30] <tuxxy__> is there any possibility I would be able to use the current channel
[15:32] <LjL> tuxxy__, you can use it if you go through the steps of making it official
[15:32] <erUSUL> tuxxy__: dunno... nalioth PriceChild ping?
[15:32] <LjL> is it intended as a support channel? it looks like that from the topic
[15:33] <tuxxy__>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/64BitTeam
[15:33] <tuxxy__> heres my teams wiki
[15:34] <LjL> yes, i'm looking at it already ;)
[15:34] <tuxxy__> yes support and advice, also member communication outside the mailing list
[15:34] <tuxxy__> meetings etc
[15:34] <ikonia> whats the point of it ?
[15:34] <ikonia> why seperate out 32bit/64bit support
[15:34] <ikonia> more so as ubuntu is trying to put in more multi-lib support
[15:34] <tuxxy__> ikonia: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/64BitTeam/64BitMissionStatement
[15:35] <ikonia> tuxxy__: ok - so that reads as pointless
[15:35] <ikonia> 1.) aid developers - so why does it appear as a support channek
[15:35] <ikonia> channel
[15:35] <tuxxy__> heh ok
[15:35] <LjL> tuxxy__, i'm honestly not fond of "rogue" support channels
[15:35] <tuxxy__> well support if needed
[15:35] <tuxxy__> we wouldnt nto help a user
[15:36] <LjL> well
[15:36] <ikonia> it's a pointless extension
[15:36] <glade88> LjL: ##ubuntu-64-bit is acceptable?
[15:36] <ikonia> it's just #ubuntu with another name from what I'm reading
[15:36] <tuxxy__> we all test 64-bit plaform
[15:36] <leoquant> but there aren´t that many bit 64 related issue´s in hardy....
[15:36] <ikonia> tuxxy__: so contribute in #ubuntu
[15:36] <LjL> glade88: i have no say over ## channels
[15:36] <LjL> look
[15:36] <tuxxy__> in Ibex though
[15:37] <LjL> the way i see it is,
[15:37] <glade88> LjL: could there be a redirect to the ##channel?
[15:37] <ikonia> tuxxy__: contibute in #ubuntu for hardy/ibe what ever
[15:37] <LjL> 1) if someone is in for support, you really should point them to #ubuntu as the official support channel
[15:37] <LjL> 2) on the other hand, i'm fine with a team channel for the team members and anyone interested in the *team* itself, not in getting user support - but it should still be made official, why not anyway
[15:38] <ikonia> I really don't see the point in "the team" as there is already process for testing 32/64 bit technology
[15:38] <glade88> LjL: so more of a 64-bit usergroup IRC?
[15:38] <tuxxy__> well I would like it official and yes it was started as a communication for members channel really
[15:38] <LjL> glade88: a team channel, like all ubuntu team channels, is what i'm thinking of
[15:38] <glade88> that can be made official?
[15:39] <LjL> it can be made official if the team itself is made official (which is not something *we* deal with, although i suppose we can give you pointers)
[15:39] <glade88> that would be nice..
[15:39] <tuxxy__> yes please
[15:39] <LjL> and as ikonia said, you should also consider, instead, cooperating with the current people involved in porting to 64-bit
[15:40] <LjL> ikonia: are you aware of any particular team most involved with that? (although i'd assume it's mostly the main devs)
[15:40] <ikonia> yes, the main project teams
[15:40] <glade88> LjL: if the channel has issues, could you help us with a redirect?
[15:40] <ikonia> glade88: in what way a redirect ?
[15:41] <glade88> its no harm to have a ##channel either.. take ##club-ubuntu for example, is amazing
[15:41] <LjL> eek.
[15:41] <glade88> ikonia: if possible, redirect users joining #ubuntu-64-bit to the ## channel until someone makes the channel official
[15:41] <LjL> i don't like redirects very much, it makes it both look and not look official
[15:42] <glade88> heh..
[15:42] <ikonia> just don't use the channel until the issue is reslolved
[15:42] <LjL> glade88, if it is to be made official, i don't personally have a problem with just keeping the current state of things until we've cleared this up better
[15:42] <LjL> (although this is said speaking personally and not on behalf of the irc council)
[15:43] <glade88> LjL: okay. so how do you propose to proceed with this process of making it official?
[15:44] <LjL> glade88, i'm honestly not sure, i admit, what the process to make an official ubuntu team is
[15:45] <LjL> i will attempt to find that out
[15:45] <glade88> thanks
[15:46] <tuxxy__> thankyou LjL
[15:51] <LjL> meanwhile, may i ask that the topic is changed into something more like "Welcome to the home of the 64-bit team", and perhaps a reference to the fact that #ubuntu is the support channel be added?
[15:55] <tuxxy__> ok good idea
[16:00] <tuxxy__> done
[16:01] <LjL> thanks
[16:02] <tuxxy__> no problem
[16:02] <erUSUL>  how to disallow a specific user to send privates?
[16:02] <LjL> erUSUL: /silence
[16:03] <erUSUL> LjL: is permanent across sessions? or do you have to issue it anytime you cannect?
[16:04] <LjL> erUSUL: well honestly i've never used it...
[16:06] <LjL> i can't even work out the syntax :)
[16:07] <erUSUL> LjL: according to irssi is  /SILENCE [[+|-]<nick!user@host>] or simply /silence nick
[16:08] <LjL> it really needs a complete hostmasks
[16:08] <LjL> i guess irssi implements it directly (since it has help on it)
[16:08] <LjL> so it can just take a nickname
[16:08] <LjL> but if i use a nickname in the raw command, i get no such nick/channel (which *does* seem a bit counterintuitive)
[16:08] <erUSUL> LjL: yep the user rquesting it says is not supported in its client
[16:09] <erUSUL> chatzilla
[16:09] <erUSUL> :|
[16:09] <LjL> erUSUL: my client doesn't support it either, but that doesn't matter, they just need to pass it to the server
[16:09] <LjL> using /quote, /raw, or whatever their client likes in order to give raw commands to the server
[16:09] <LjL> now how do i unsilence poor jrib :P
[16:10] <erUSUL> it is a woman and someone ia harassing her
[16:10] <jrib> hrm?
[16:10] <LjL> jrib: nothing, i've used you as a text victim to work out the syntax of /silence
[16:10] <erUSUL> LjL: /SILENCE [[+|-]<nick!user@host>] note the + -
[16:10] <LjL> so, if you were thinking about querying me, don't right now ;)
[16:10] <LjL> ah right
[16:10] <LjL> erUSUL: perhaps that could/should be reported to staff too? (/me is never sure)
[16:11] <erUSUL> dunno he just has private me too
[16:11] <erUSUL> for the record is n=raul@20.Red-83-58-178.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net
[16:14] <LjL> erUSUL: what about?
[16:15] <erUSUL> LjL: is saying he didn't molested her... seems it is asking the msn of all the channel XD
[16:15] <LjL> sigh
[16:16] <erUSUL> LjL: banned from #ubuntu-es
[16:16] <LjL> erUSUL: i can't say that's a bad idea
[16:17] <erUSUL> ;)
[16:27] <leoquant>  /ignore <nick>!*@* NOTI PRIV maybe?
[16:27] <erUSUL> LjL: seems freenode does not support silence all i got when i try is "no such nick channel" (if i use the simpler form)
[16:28] <erUSUL> leoquant: yep that would work i suppose...
[16:28] <LjL> erUSUL: well, it clearly doesn't support it in the way irssi thinks it supports it
[16:28] <LjL> but it supports it
[16:30] <erUSUL> LjL: i missread the help on irssi the simpler form is just to list the already silenced mask you have in you silence list that match nick. to actually set the silence you *must* use the longer form...
[16:30] <LjL> oh
[16:32] <erUSUL> LjL: or did i rad wrong (or i'm more clueless about irc than i think i am XD) http://paste.ubuntu.com/51679/
[16:33] <LjL> If you only specify a nickname, you can list the patterns in the silence list owned by that nickname
[16:33] <LjL> i'm really unsure what that means
[16:33] <LjL> it almost sounds like you "can" check other people's silence lists
[16:33] <LjL> but anyway, i'd say it definitely doesn't work on freenode
[16:34] <erUSUL> ok
[16:36] <leoquant>  /ignore *!*@ <ip> ALL  is also possible.
[16:37] <LjL>  /ignore *!*@* ALL would solve many people's problems, for that matter ;P
[16:37] <LjL> although /ban *!*@* can also work
[16:37] <erUSUL> XD
[16:38] <leoquant> ツ
[16:40] <leoquant> sorry just want to be helpful...
[16:40] <LjL> sure, i was just kidding
[16:42] <joshyx> is any one using mibbit?
[23:14] <foobar> hi, is it possible to get the cloak @ubuntu/bot/foobar ?
[23:17] <LjL> we reserve bot cloaks for few official bots in the main channels
[23:18] <foobar> what is a "main channel"?
[23:18] <nalioth> foobar: #ubuntu #kubuntu #xubuntu #edubuntu
[23:19] <nalioth> the main Ubuntu distros
[23:19] <foobar> soren, only the international channel are main channel?
[23:19] <foobar> so*
[23:19] <nalioth> foobar: no, the main channels are the main channels
[23:20] <foobar> *sigh*
[23:20] <foobar> is there a list available?
[23:20] <nalioth> foobar: i just gave them to you
[23:20] <nalioth> www.ubuntu.com
[23:21] <foobar> ahh, i guessed the #ubuntu-{es,de,fr,...} are too main channel
[23:22] <nalioth> those are Loco channels
[23:22] <LjL> foobar, LoCo bots are currently not given an ubuntu bot cloak, for a variety of reasons...
[23:23] <foobar> so the bots there will get a unaffiliated/bot/-cloak?
[23:23] <LjL> well that's up to the owner and freenode, but generally yes
[23:24] <foobar> ic. thanks for your assistance, nalioth and LjL :)