| ian_brasil | rhp: something like dd bs-1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb | 00:16 |
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| ian_brasil | where /dev/sdb is whatever your usb mounts as | 00:16 |
| ian_brasil | rhp: dd bs=1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb | 00:17 |
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| lool | rhp: These were the older MIC images; the new images are live images, and shouldn't overwrite your disk | 10:09 |
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| rhp | lool: cool | 12:16 |
| rhp | so now they run from the usb stick? | 12:17 |
| ogra-maemo | like a livecd (they are built using the same tools now) | 12:18 |
| persia | rhp: Indeed. | 12:18 |
| rhp | ian_brasil: as far as I can tell, there is no difference between dd and cat <image> > /dev/sdb, but for some reason that does not result in a bootable usb scick. | 12:18 |
| rhp | nice. | 12:18 |
| ogra-maemo | dd does a binary copy by blocks, cat cats a stream from a to b | 12:19 |
| persia | rhp: It's copying bytes vs. blocks. | 12:19 |
| * persia stops typing, being inevitably too late and therefore redundant | 12:19 | |
| rhp | ogra-maemo: what is the difference between those? | 12:19 |
| rhp | I've put images on disks before with cat, without problems.. | 12:19 |
| ogra-maemo | using cat the bootsector wont work, it needs to have a certain blocksize | 12:20 |
| persia | Well, rather, it might work, but only if you get really lucky. | 12:20 |
| persia | Hrm. I appear to have melted my USB stick :( | 12:21 |
| ogra-maemo | i managed to wear one out recently... the one i used for install tests on the cmpc since the beginning :) | 12:23 |
| ogra-maemo | but it survived 1.5y of nearly daily install tests | 12:23 |
| persia | I don't think I wore it out. I just let someone else touch it. My mini-A to full-B cable needed replacement, and I foolishly used my test stick to make sure the replacement cable worked at the shop. | 12:24 |
| * ogra-maemo cant belive nobody ported any dvb tools to maemo yet | 12:26 | |
| ogra-maemo | (thats my usecase for such an adapter) | 12:26 |
| rhp | aside from dd-ing it directly to /dev/sdb, would it also be possible to create two partitions on the stick, one for the img file and the other for data files? | 12:29 |
| persia | rhp: Yes, but there's no guarantee the result would boot. What I do is to add the couple files I need via loopmount, and they appear on the live system under /cdrom. | 12:31 |
| ogra-maemo | not with the current setup... caspper (the tool used for booting the image) has a persistent mode though, you cold use a second usb key for that | 12:31 |
| ogra-maemo | *casper | 12:31 |
| ogra-maemo | or a partition on the local hdd... look at wiki.ubuntu.com for persistent livecd | 12:32 |
| rhp | ok, clear enough. putting it on /dev/sdb1 was the first mistake then... | 12:33 |
| ogra-maemo | yeah | 12:33 |
| rhp | Maybe some info on the dd-incantation would be usefull for the wiki/howto... | 12:33 |
| rhp | If things work nicely, I can just copy the image to the harddrive? | 12:34 |
| rhp | Or is there an installer for that purpose? | 12:34 |
| ogra-maemo | http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/announcing-the-first-ubuntu-mobile-image/ | 12:35 |
| ogra-maemo | we uszally give the necessary commandline in the announcements | 12:35 |
| ogra-maemo | and i'm working on a gui tool,but its not ready yet https://launchpad.net/usb-imagewriter | 12:39 |
| ogra-maemo | welll, its functional, but the code isnt production ready | 12:41 |
| rhp | ok, I was looking through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded and couldn't find anything about it. | 12:42 |
| rhp | You're blob is a more authorative source of information? | 12:42 |
| rhp | blob -> blog... | 12:43 |
| ogra-maemo | no,its my blog :) | 12:43 |
| rhp | Those screenshots look great, by the way... | 12:43 |
| ogra-maemo | we should put something into the howto or faq section about dd i guess | 12:44 |
| ogra-maemo | (on the wiki) | 12:44 |
| ogra-maemo | i guess at some point we need a mobile team wiki for such announcements | 12:45 |
| ogra-maemo | the image announced there isnt yet built in the datacenter, once that happens i'll do an authoritative annou cement | 12:46 |
| ogra-maemo | (some time nexr week) | 12:47 |
| * ogra-maemo notices how different his typos are on an onscreen kbd :) | 12:47 | |
| rhp | Turns out that old stylus 3400 does not support booting of the usb-stick directly. There is grub on the hd, though. I guess it would be easy to boot the usb-stick from grub? | 12:59 |
| persia | rhp: You'll need grub > 0.97, but it ought work. | 13:00 |
| persia | Also, you need the right hints available. Seems Fujitsu may be annoying this way: if it doesn't work, you might need to do something like http://64.124.13.3/hacks/USB_Boot_using_GRUB.html#mozTocId210830 | 13:02 |
| persia | Alternately, you might want a CD image. | 13:02 |
| persia | (but i don't know how to convert a USB image to a CD image) | 13:02 |
| rhp | Why would I want a CD image? There is no CD player in the device... | 13:05 |
| persia | Oh. Then you don't. | 13:05 |
| persia | (unless you have an attachable bootable CD drive, but you may not) | 13:05 |
| rhp | On another system I also boot from the installed hd to run the root-fs on a usb-disk. | 13:06 |
| rhp | So I'm pretty sure I can so something similar here. | 13:06 |
| persia | You ought be able to do the same thing. | 13:06 |
| rhp | The initrd.img probably contains usb modules already? | 13:07 |
| persia | It ought, or at least USB stuff works for me. | 13:13 |
| rhp | ok, it is booting the kernel now, but after mentioning the squashfs info, it seems to stall... | 13:31 |
| rhp | ... or I just need to learn to have a little patience... I booted just fine! | 13:34 |
| rhp | At first glance, it looks great. | 13:37 |
| rhp | Unfortunately, the X input driver for my device is not included, so that'll be the first thing to fix. Trying that in a few hours. | 13:37 |
| persia | rhp: Which driver? | 13:40 |
| persia | ogra: You're just matching on "IDEACO", right? Not the model or anything? | 13:57 |
| ogra | i'm matching the model because i apply defaults | 13:58 |
| ogra | ideaco in a different device needs a new fdi | 13:58 |
| persia | Hrm. OK. | 13:59 |
| persia | I guess I'll run the calibration tool as soon as I can boot the Mobile image then. | 14:00 |
| ogra | i'm trying to generalize but i somewhat want it usable on a basic level without any calibration already | 14:01 |
| ogra | its a tricky situation | 14:01 |
| persia | Oh, I understand. It's probably best to identify as many models as possible, and then try to set sensible defaults for all of them, with calibration for unsupported devices. | 14:14 |
| persia | At least now I actually have an evtouch device, which means I can produce something useful for you. | 14:15 |
| ogra | yay | 14:19 |
| ogra | well, i think the best thing for sensible defaults would be to ship a database and apply them in /etc/evtouch/config from the postinst | 14:20 |
| persia | That would make sense. | 14:20 |
| ogra | but that might be complicated | 14:20 |
| ogra | yu need to find out the hal device data etc | 14:21 |
| persia | Hrm. Maybe the postinst isn't best then: imagine how to make it work in a live environment. | 14:21 |
| rhp | persia: I believe it is called the fpit driver. | 15:29 |
| rhp | I was included by default in the xubuntu 7.10 release (as far as I can recall), so it should not be difficult to get it included in ubuntu-mid too. | 15:30 |
| persia | Is that the radio pen? | 15:30 |
| rhp | radio pen? | 15:30 |
| persia | No, not likely difficult at all, it's just knowing which package supplied it, and making sure it works in -mid. | 15:31 |
| rhp | I do not know what that means, but it is a passive pen. I can operate it with my fingers too. | 15:31 |
| rhp | The package was actually called <something>-fpit, so that's a good clue :) | 15:31 |
| persia | My Stylistic 1000 had a radio-based pen, but that was ages ago, so I've no idea if newer tablets use the same tech. | 15:31 |
| rhp | ah, ok | 15:31 |
| persia | Try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-fpit and see if that works. | 15:32 |
| persia | (It may not, but I'm currently having issues checking things) | 15:33 |
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| rhp | persia: can I apt-get install on the usb image as it is running? | 17:19 |
| lool | ogra: Did you commit po/de/LC_MESSAGES/usb-imagewriter.mo in usb-imagewriter on purpose?!? | 17:53 |
| ogra-maemo | indeed | 18:16 |
| ogra-maemo | anything wrong about that ? | 18:17 |
| lool | ogra: Isn't it a generated file? | 18:41 |
| ogra-maemo | there are scripts in the tree | 18:41 |
| lool | Anyway, not my business | 18:41 |
| ogra-maemo | i needed a .po for rosetta | 18:41 |
| lool | Yeah, but why commit the .mo? | 18:42 |
| lool | Anyway, you do as you please | 18:42 |
| ogra-maemo | oh,the .mo... i was only testing the translatability to make sure i didnt miss strings | 18:44 |
| rhp | ok, I'm up to the point where everything boots fine. However I have no wifi-access (it puts my wifi nic in the wired list...), and the touch screen doesnot work (but I cannot apt-get, since I have no network...) | 19:09 |
| rhp | Any ideas how to get wifi working? | 19:09 |
| biz_den6140 | Hi, there! The HELP on Ubuntu MID is needed, looking for a team members or proes able to assist, thanks | 19:24 |
| biz_den6140 | ANYONE ALIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!?????????? | 19:37 |
| rhp | biz_den6140; no, but I am pretty sure that is not the best way to get help. | 19:41 |
| rhp | Maybe it would help to state your problem... | 19:41 |
| biz_den6140 | Oh. I'm really sorry | 19:41 |
| biz_den6140 | OK | 19:41 |
| biz_den6140 | Here it goes | 19:42 |
| biz_den6140 | Does MID have locals in other languages? | 19:42 |
| rhp | biz_den6140: i'm still working on getting it running, then I'll bother running it in dutch :) | 19:44 |
| biz_den6140 | I meant does it has the same way of localization as Main Ubuntu has: like downloading it while installing or something? | 19:46 |
| rhp | biz_den6140: I think the pro's have gone to bed, it seems pretty quiet now... | 20:02 |
| biz_den6140 | rhp: oops, ok time for me to go too, thanks anyway, I'll try to get help later on | 20:08 |
| rhp | okido | 20:14 |
| crevette | hello | 20:19 |
| biz_den6140 | crevette, Hi, there! | 20:20 |
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| [doctor] | hello, can anybody list locales in ubuntu mid? | 21:59 |
| rhp | ogra-maemo: I tried following your script to update an image, but it seems that my system does not recognize squashfs as a filesystemtype. I tried unsquash instead, but that complains about a too low version. | 22:22 |
| rhp | What are the minimal system-requirements for running the script? It seems 7.10 is too outdated. | 22:22 |
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| ogra-maemo | it was developed on 8.10 | 22:37 |
| rhp | ah, that's... recent. | 22:38 |
| rhp | unfortunately I broke my laptop today trying to see whether the mccaslin image would have working wifi... didn't remember it would overwrite my harddrive. | 22:39 |
| rhp | So maybe I should just install 8.10 on that. | 22:39 |
| rhp | ok, see you all tomorrow. | 22:43 |
| ian_brasil | anyone know if there is a driver available for the Q1 web cam? | 23:08 |
| ogra-maemo | ian_brasil, uvcvideo would be the right one, but still cant handle it | 23:48 |
| ian_brasil | ogra-maemo: yes, i saw that it is not uvc standard..incidentally I am not sure you saw this last week but i was playing around learning pygtk and wrote some really simple frontend to your evtouch calibration tool http://paste.ubuntu.com/50238/ ...maybe it is a start (if you did not already write some UI that is) | 23:52 |
| ogra-maemo | cool ! | 23:53 |
| ogra-maemo | i threw together a glade file for the extended options today, but the calibration is still the old script with some zenity/xdialog crap for user intteraction | 23:55 |
| ogra-maemo | lets merge that in jaunty, intrepid is sadly in beta and ui freeze, i'll only be able to get .fdi files in to avoid hw regressions | 23:56 |
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