[00:16] <ian_brasil> rhp: something like dd bs-1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb
[00:16] <ian_brasil> where /dev/sdb is whatever your usb mounts as
[00:17] <ian_brasil> rhp: dd bs=1024 if=<image file> of=/dev/sdb
[10:09] <lool> rhp: These were the older MIC images; the new images are live images, and shouldn't overwrite your disk
[12:16] <rhp> lool: cool
[12:17] <rhp> so now they run from the usb stick?
[12:18] <ogra-maemo> like a livecd (they are built using the same tools now)
[12:18] <persia> rhp: Indeed.
[12:18] <rhp> ian_brasil:  as far as I can tell, there is no difference between dd and cat <image> > /dev/sdb, but for some reason that does not result in a bootable usb scick.
[12:18] <rhp> nice.
[12:19] <ogra-maemo> dd does a binary copy by blocks, cat cats a stream from a to b
[12:19] <persia> rhp: It's copying bytes vs. blocks.
[12:19]  * persia stops typing, being inevitably too late and therefore redundant
[12:19] <rhp> ogra-maemo: what is the difference between those?
[12:19] <rhp> I've put images on disks before with cat, without problems..
[12:20] <ogra-maemo> using cat the bootsector wont work, it needs to have a certain blocksize
[12:20] <persia> Well, rather, it might work, but only if you get really lucky.
[12:21] <persia> Hrm.   I appear to have melted my USB stick :(
[12:23] <ogra-maemo> i managed to wear one out recently... the one i used for install tests on the cmpc since the beginning :)
[12:23] <ogra-maemo> but it survived 1.5y of nearly daily install tests
[12:24] <persia> I don't think I wore it out.  I just let someone else touch it.  My mini-A to full-B cable needed replacement, and I foolishly used my test stick to make sure the replacement cable worked at the shop.
[12:26]  * ogra-maemo cant belive nobody ported any dvb tools to maemo yet
[12:26] <ogra-maemo> (thats my usecase for such an adapter)
[12:29] <rhp> aside from dd-ing it directly to /dev/sdb, would it also be possible to create two partitions on the stick, one for the img file and the other for data files?
[12:31] <persia> rhp: Yes, but there's no guarantee the result would boot.  What I do is to add the couple files I need via loopmount, and they appear on the live system under /cdrom.
[12:31] <ogra-maemo> not with the current setup... caspper (the tool used for booting the image) has a persistent mode though, you cold use a second usb key for that
[12:31] <ogra-maemo> *casper
[12:32] <ogra-maemo> or a partition on the local hdd... look at wiki.ubuntu.com for persistent livecd
[12:33] <rhp> ok, clear enough. putting it on /dev/sdb1 was the first mistake then...
[12:33] <ogra-maemo>  yeah
[12:33] <rhp> Maybe some info on the dd-incantation would be usefull for the wiki/howto...
[12:34] <rhp> If things work nicely, I can just copy the image to the harddrive?
[12:34] <rhp> Or is there an installer for that purpose?
[12:35] <ogra-maemo> http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2008/09/23/announcing-the-first-ubuntu-mobile-image/
[12:35] <ogra-maemo> we uszally give the necessary commandline in the announcements
[12:39] <ogra-maemo> and i'm working on a gui tool,but its not ready yet https://launchpad.net/usb-imagewriter
[12:41] <ogra-maemo> welll, its functional, but the code isnt production ready
[12:42] <rhp> ok, I was looking through http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded and couldn't find anything about it.
[12:42] <rhp> You're blob is a more authorative source of information?
[12:43] <rhp> blob -> blog...
[12:43] <ogra-maemo> no,its my blog :)
[12:43] <rhp> Those screenshots look great, by the way...
[12:44] <ogra-maemo> we should put something into the howto or faq section about dd i guess
[12:44] <ogra-maemo> (on the wiki)
[12:45] <ogra-maemo> i guess at some point we need a mobile team wiki for such announcements
[12:46] <ogra-maemo> the image announced there isnt yet built in the datacenter, once that happens i'll do an authoritative annou cement
[12:47] <ogra-maemo> (some time nexr week)
[12:47]  * ogra-maemo notices how different his typos are on an onscreen kbd :)
[12:59] <rhp> Turns out that old stylus 3400 does not support booting of the usb-stick directly. There is grub on the hd, though. I guess it would be easy to boot the usb-stick from grub?
[13:00] <persia> rhp: You'll need grub > 0.97, but it ought work.
[13:02] <persia> Also, you need the right hints available.  Seems Fujitsu may be annoying this way: if it doesn't work, you might need to do something like http://64.124.13.3/hacks/USB_Boot_using_GRUB.html#mozTocId210830
[13:02] <persia> Alternately, you might want a CD image.
[13:02] <persia> (but i don't know how to convert a USB image to a CD image)
[13:05] <rhp> Why would I want a CD image? There is no CD player in the device...
[13:05] <persia> Oh.  Then you don't.
[13:05] <persia> (unless you have an attachable bootable CD drive, but you may not)
[13:06] <rhp> On another system I also boot from the installed hd to run the root-fs on a usb-disk.
[13:06] <rhp> So I'm pretty sure I can so something similar here.
[13:06] <persia> You ought be able to do the same thing.
[13:07] <rhp> The initrd.img probably contains usb modules already?
[13:13] <persia> It ought, or at least USB stuff works for me.
[13:31] <rhp> ok, it is booting the kernel now, but after mentioning the squashfs info, it seems to stall...
[13:34] <rhp> ... or I just need to learn to have a little patience... I booted just fine!
[13:37] <rhp> At first glance, it looks great.
[13:37] <rhp> Unfortunately, the X input driver for my device is not included, so that'll be the first thing to fix. Trying that in a few hours.
[13:40] <persia> rhp: Which driver?
[13:57] <persia> ogra: You're just matching on "IDEACO", right?  Not the model or anything?
[13:58] <ogra> i'm matching the model because i apply defaults 
[13:58] <ogra> ideaco in a different device needs a new fdi
[13:59] <persia> Hrm.  OK.
[14:00] <persia> I guess I'll run the calibration tool as soon as I can boot the Mobile image then.
[14:01] <ogra> i'm trying to generalize but i somewhat want it usable on a basic level without any calibration already 
[14:01] <ogra> its a tricky situation
[14:14] <persia> Oh, I understand.  It's probably best to identify as many models as possible, and then try to set sensible defaults for all of them, with calibration for unsupported devices.
[14:15] <persia> At least now I actually have an evtouch device, which means I can produce something useful for you.
[14:19] <ogra> yay
[14:20] <ogra> well, i think the best thing for sensible defaults would be to ship a database and apply them in /etc/evtouch/config from the postinst
[14:20] <persia> That would make sense.
[14:20] <ogra> but that might be complicated 
[14:21] <ogra> yu need to find out the hal device data etc
[14:21] <persia> Hrm.  Maybe the postinst isn't best then: imagine how to make it work in a live environment.
[15:29] <rhp> persia: I believe it is called the fpit driver.
[15:30] <rhp> I was included by default in the xubuntu 7.10 release (as far as I can recall), so it should not be difficult to get it included in ubuntu-mid too.
[15:30] <persia> Is that the radio pen?
[15:30] <rhp> radio pen?
[15:31] <persia> No, not likely difficult at all, it's just knowing which package supplied it, and making sure it works in -mid.
[15:31] <rhp> I do not know what that means, but it is a passive pen. I can operate it with my fingers too.
[15:31] <rhp> The package was actually called <something>-fpit, so that's a good clue :)
[15:31] <persia> My Stylistic 1000 had a radio-based pen, but that was ages ago, so I've no idea if newer tablets use the same tech.
[15:31] <rhp> ah, ok
[15:32] <persia> Try apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-fpit and see if that works.
[15:33] <persia> (It may not, but I'm currently having issues checking things)
[17:19] <rhp> persia: can I apt-get install on the usb image as it is running?
[17:53] <lool> ogra: Did you commit po/de/LC_MESSAGES/usb-imagewriter.mo in usb-imagewriter on purpose?!?
[18:16] <ogra-maemo> indeed
[18:17] <ogra-maemo> anything wrong about that ?
[18:41] <lool> ogra: Isn't it a generated file?
[18:41] <ogra-maemo> there are scripts in the tree
[18:41] <lool> Anyway, not my business
[18:41] <ogra-maemo> i needed  a .po for rosetta
[18:42] <lool> Yeah, but why commit the .mo?
[18:42] <lool> Anyway, you do as you please
[18:44] <ogra-maemo> oh,the .mo... i was only testing the translatability to make sure i didnt miss strings
[19:09] <rhp> ok, I'm up to the point where everything boots fine. However I have no wifi-access (it puts my wifi nic in the wired list...), and the touch screen doesnot work (but I cannot apt-get, since I have no network...)
[19:09] <rhp> Any ideas how to get wifi working?
[19:24] <biz_den6140> Hi, there! The HELP on Ubuntu MID is needed, looking for a team members or proes able to assist, thanks
[19:37] <biz_den6140> ANYONE ALIVE HERE!!!!!!!!!!??????????
[19:41] <rhp> biz_den6140; no, but I am pretty sure that is not the best way to get help.
[19:41] <rhp> Maybe it would help to state your problem...
[19:41] <biz_den6140> Oh. I'm really sorry
[19:41] <biz_den6140> OK
[19:42] <biz_den6140> Here it goes
[19:42] <biz_den6140> Does MID have locals in other languages?
[19:44] <rhp> biz_den6140: i'm still working on getting it running, then I'll bother running it in dutch :)
[19:46] <biz_den6140> I meant does it has the same way of localization as Main Ubuntu has: like downloading it while installing or something?
[20:02] <rhp> biz_den6140: I think the pro's have gone to bed, it seems pretty quiet now...
[20:08] <biz_den6140> rhp: oops, ok time for me to go too, thanks anyway, I'll try to get help later on
[20:14] <rhp> okido
[20:19] <crevette> hello
[20:20] <biz_den6140> ﻿crevette, Hi, there!
[21:59] <[doctor]> hello, can anybody list locales in ubuntu mid?
[22:22] <rhp> ogra-maemo: I tried following your script to update an image, but it seems that my system does not recognize squashfs as a filesystemtype. I tried unsquash instead, but that complains about a too low version.
[22:22] <rhp> What are the minimal system-requirements for running the script? It seems 7.10 is too outdated.
[22:37] <ogra-maemo> it was developed on 8.10
[22:38] <rhp> ah, that's... recent.
[22:39] <rhp> unfortunately I broke my laptop today trying to see whether the mccaslin image would have working wifi... didn't remember it would overwrite my harddrive.
[22:39] <rhp> So maybe I should just install 8.10 on that.
[22:43] <rhp> ok, see you all tomorrow.
[23:08] <ian_brasil> anyone know if there is a driver available for the Q1 web cam?
[23:48] <ogra-maemo> ian_brasil, uvcvideo would be the right one, but still cant handle it
[23:52] <ian_brasil> ogra-maemo: yes, i saw that it is not uvc standard..incidentally I am not sure you saw this last week but i was playing around learning  pygtk and wrote some really simple frontend to your evtouch calibration tool http://paste.ubuntu.com/50238/ ...maybe it is a start (if you did not already write some UI that is)
[23:53] <ogra-maemo> cool !
[23:55] <ogra-maemo> i threw together a glade file for the extended options today, but the calibration is still the old script with some zenity/xdialog crap for user intteraction
[23:56] <ogra-maemo> lets merge that in jaunty, intrepid is sadly in beta and ui freeze, i'll only be able to get .fdi files in to avoid hw regressions