[00:00] <fta> asac, got an answer for 3.1
[00:23] <wgrant> asac: Are you planning to remove firefox soon? It appears to be uninstallable, and should probably die anyway...
[00:24] <fta> we will remove it
[00:24] <[reed]> ?
[00:24] <[reed]> oh, firefox 2?
[00:25] <wgrant> Yes.
[00:25] <fta> yes
[00:25] <fta> in intrepid only
[00:25] <[reed]> heh, k :)
[00:27] <fta> [reed], do you see any reason we should keep it ?
[00:27] <[reed]> no
[00:27] <[reed]> it becomes unsupported in December
[00:27] <[reed]> :)
[00:28] <fta> we discussed that during the last meeting and voted for the removal
[00:28] <fta> yeah, i know
[00:39] <fta> [reed], why did the moved the newtab button? it's impossible to move it now
[00:39] <fta> -d
[00:40] <[reed]> not sure, really. I saw the bug, but I didn't think anything about it
[00:42] <fta> hmmm, "Part 2 of Ogg backend seeking implementation"
[00:44] <fta> "More JIT testing on trunk. Crashers found, but many known. "  still crashing here
[01:01] <fta> the new flash is far better but still a pig
[01:02] <fta> 66% cpu + 14% for Xorg
[01:17] <fta> 40% under ff3.1, interesting
[05:36] <Hobbsee> fta: latest version doesn't build, current version doesn't install.
[16:28] <fta> asac, [reed], http://paste.ubuntu.com/51677/ bad mozilla
[16:45] <Andre1> hello
[16:46] <asac> fta: reconnect ;)
[16:46] <asac> Andre1: hi
[16:47] <Andre1> hhmmm ok sorry, this is my first time using IRC so bare with me
[16:48] <Andre1> can you help me with using lightning in ubuntu?
[16:51] <Andre1> hello?
[16:53] <asac> Andre1: install the lightning-extension package ;)
[16:53] <Andre1> i have lightning on my computer already
[16:54] <Andre1> for some reason I can't add events to my calender
[16:55] <Andre1> and currently I can't even shut down thunderbird. I've opened a terminal and typed top but I can't see thunderbird running
[16:57] <Andre1> any ideas?
[16:57] <Andre1> anyone watching this at all?
[17:01] <Andre1> 36 people in the room and I'm the only one talking?
[17:02] <Andre1> Sorry if I'm spamming, but I've never used IRC before so would appreciate knowing if anyone is listening
[17:04] <Andre1> magical
[17:09] <Knusper> I've never used IRC before... yeah... thats why you should read at least some documents about "how to behave on irc"
[17:09] <Knusper> lol
[17:37] <fta> [reed], libasound is linked everywhere in trunk, this is ugly: (
[17:38] <fta> even in libsqlite3.so
[18:02] <fta> asac, [reed]: firefox is 2nd: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+upstreamreport#
[19:28] <XioNoX> hi!
[19:29] <wikz> fta: I have a problem with the current user.I can't launch spicebird when I run as myself but other users on my sys can launch spicebird.Other users are both desktop users and admin privileged users.I get a cannot connect to dbus file error.
[19:31] <fta> wikz, hm, never heard of that
[19:31] <wikz> fta: I don't want to re-create my user as I have been using this for a long time, since 7.04
[19:31] <wikz> Lots of customizations and shortcuts
[19:31] <wikz> and I have been bothering my team that something is wron with spicebird :(
[19:32] <fta> you could disable dbus but there's probably a better solution
[19:32] <fta> did you google for your error message?
[19:34] <wikz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/85118
[19:34] <wikz> something like this fta
[19:34] <fta> asac, i've experimented a bit with the QT support in 3.1. I've drafted my ideas on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QT  please let me know what you think
[19:42] <fta> wikz, did you try to restart dbus?
[19:42] <wikz> restarted the system too
[19:42] <wikz> tried the tricks
[19:43] <wikz> why just with one user and not others
[19:44] <fta> you may have files/sockets with the wrong perms
[19:44] <fta> have a look in /var/run/dbus/ or /var/run/hald/
[19:45] <fta> try netstat -a
[19:45] <fta> or start spicebird under strace and look for dbus
[20:03] <wikz> fta: you also might need to ship firefox QT with a KDE theme like http://ramonantonio.net/kde-firefox/
[20:25] <wikz> fta: Do I need to put the stuff in the /usr/share folder ?like thunderbird 2 or everything in one folder like TB3 ?
[20:27] <fta> wikz, debian (and lintian) would want you to do like tb2. here, we don't care much about that and prefer the upstream way.. at least for now.
[20:27] <wikz> thanks :)
[20:28] <wikz> fta: This brings me to the doubt whether I need to maintain separate binaries for debain and ubuntu ?
[20:28] <wikz> are debians really pricky about these ?
[20:30] <fta> they are, as there are driven by their strict policy. In theory, ubuntu too but this particular rule is not enforced, at least, not by us
[20:30] <wikz> man :|
[20:31] <fta> it's a choice we've made last year to stick with /usr/lib/product-version/ from upstream rather than having to patch and dissect to get /usr/lib/product and /usr/share/product
[20:34] <wikz> fta: there are other issues too.I need atleast telepathy 0.7.9 to use the system flag but hardy has 0.7.3 .ibex has 0.7.13.
[20:35] <fta> well, then build in-source for hardy :(
[20:36] <wikz> any point in supporting prior to hardy ? Gutsy and all ?
[20:37] <fta> i don't think so. the latest dev & stable and the lts are enough
[20:38] <fta> the further back you go, the worse it is to support, mainly because of dependencies
[21:22] <[reed]> fta: I'm not sure how to read this page...
[21:22] <[reed]> ah, let me read the wiki
[21:22] <fta> [reed], click on the link in the yellow box
[21:23] <[reed]> yeah
[21:23] <[reed]> so, basically, this says you all are doing a horrible job at triaging and pointing stuff upstream :p
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[21:23] <armin76> lol
[21:24] <fta> [reed], or http://stompbox.typepad.com/blog/2008/09/introducing-the.html
[21:24] <fta> i'm much into bugs, that's a full time job
[21:25] <fta> especially with crappy^Hbig software like ff
[21:25] <[reed]> haha
[21:25] <[reed]> need to get more Ubuntu/Canonical QA folks working on stuff ;)
[21:27] <armin76> all slackers
[21:28] <[reed]> jcastro: very neat report ;)
[21:29] <fta> wikz, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2008-September/000113.html
[21:31] <fta> [reed], you know you can help us too
[21:32] <fta> [reed], especially that your are using the official builds on ubuntu, you could help triaging packaging/ubuntu bugs from upstream bugs in a blink
[21:33]  * fta votes for a 5-a-day just for [reed]
[21:34] <[reed]> jaja
[21:34] <[reed]> er
[21:34] <[reed]> haha
[21:34] <[reed]> I already triage bugs in Bugzilla!
[21:34] <[reed]> yet another bug tracking system :(
[21:35] <[reed]> I'm more than happy to help track down bugs upstream on a request basis, but I honestly don't have the time to triage all the bugs in launchpad
[21:36] <[reed]> I'm already super busy ;(
[21:39] <fta> the last column could do
[21:39] <fta> those in pending_bugwatch
[21:39] <fta> just 33
[21:44] <wikz> fta: how can I add our bugzilla in the launchpad project settings ?so that users file bug directly there instead of here?Do you have a better suggestion than this ?
[21:46] <fta> hm, in the project page, there's something
[21:47] <wikz> yes bugzillas for lots projects but obviously noy ours
[21:47] <wikz> one says somewhere else
[21:48] <wikz> that's all
[21:52] <fta> wikz, i just asked the lp admin, you have to file a question to request it: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad
[22:00] <wikz> fta: thanks :)
[22:06] <[reed]> fta: ok, I'll try to take a look later this week
[22:06] <[reed]> too many projects due before that ;)
[22:31] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=928263
[22:34] <fta> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=927822