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Seeker`pasted the wrong thing?00:32
PriceChildSeeker`: most clients have mechanisms to avoid that.00:33
elkyPriceChild, unfortunately they're only ever 'avoid' not 'prevent' :(01:56
ubottuFloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:14
ubottuFloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (exploit)02:14
* jrib sighs02:14
elkya slight join flood after that, including an uncyclopedia cloak. i'm hawking02:15
jribheh, if you're asking about rainbow tables in #ubuntu, I doubt you'll be using them properly02:18
Flannelheh02:21
elkysomeone wanna check if he's still floating around?02:22
FlannelWho?02:23
elkyjme_00902:24
stdinthey were k-lined02:24
naliothquite so02:25
elkyboth, cool02:25
elkyi'll remove the ban02:25
elkynalioth, you got the second iteration too, right?02:26
nalioth2nd iteration?02:26
elkythe one i banned before he could cause probs02:26
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naliothi see it, no need to paste02:27
elkyi only meant to pste that first line :-/02:29
elkyanyway, im off to have lunch. cyas02:30
naliothenjoy02:31
bazhang@login02:46
ubottuThe operation succeeded.02:46
ubottuThe operation succeeded.02:46
FlannelAnyone awake with ops in -ot?05:00
tritiumFlannel: what's going on?05:07
Flanneltritium: Nothing needed now, the parties involved seem to have backed down05:07
tritiumFlannel: ok, good deal.05:07
FlannelBut, for a while, it was up inthe air, so I figured I'd ask in case it was needed05:07
tritiumI'll be awake for a bit longer, but heading to bed soon.05:08
naliothFlannel: you need to practice your jedi mind tricks  :P05:14
ubottuMTecknology called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic ()06:12
tritiumThanks for handling that, Hobbsee.06:18
Hobbseetritium: i didn't, i think someone else did.06:18
tritiumAh, yes.  It was elky.06:18
rohansorry ro barge in but i would like to suggest some factoids for ubottu like xampp fdisk gparted and all07:18
rohan*to07:18
tritiumThere's one for gparted, for sure07:18
rohan!gpated07:19
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about gpated07:19
rohan!gparted07:19
ubottugparted is a !GUI partitioning program. Type « sudo apt-get install gparted » in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php07:19
rohanok about fdisk?07:19
tritium!partition07:20
ubottuFor help with partitioning a new install see: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/switching/installing-partitioning.html - For partitioning programs see !GParted or !QTParted - Other partitioning topics include !fstab !home and !swap07:20
rohantritium: could tell me how to suggest factoids07:20
naliothrohan: say "ubottu foo is bar"07:21
rohanok thanks nalioth , as the topic says i must go NO IDELERS heh07:22
tritium!usage07:22
ubottuHi! I'm #ubuntu-ops's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://tinyurl.com/5zfb6t - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots07:22
tritiumGood evening, nalioth.07:22
naliothhi tritium 07:22
elkynalioth, the pm variety of suggestion may have been smarter?07:25
naliothhe left07:26
naliothi was fixing to tell him07:26
ubottuIn ubottu, rohan said: foo is bar07:27
elkyi gather you utilised the same protocol to educate him after his departure?07:28
ubottuIn ubottu, rohan said: xampp is A very easy to use Mysql , Apache , Mercury Mail and Filzilla Server (only in windows) good for beginners try it out http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html. Also see !lampp07:30
jussi01mrgh07:31
jussi01Cant wait to go home. 07:32
ubottuIn ubottu, rohan said: Xampp is a very easy to use Mysql, Apache, Mercury Mail and Filezilla Server (only in Microsoft Windows) good for beginners try it out http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html. Also see !lampp07:36
ubottuIn ubottu, rohan said: Xampp is a very easy to use Mysql, Apache, Mercury Mail and Filezilla Server (only in Microsoft Windows) good for beginners. Try it out http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html. Also see !lampp07:38
rohanyes?07:38
naliothrohan: you input your factoid once, and we add it.  please don't keep hammering the same one into the bot07:40
tritiumnalioth: he was editing it, as I pointed out some errors07:40
rohannalioth: iam really sorry 07:40
tritiumNot his fault.07:40
naliothah, well, it makes the channel spammy  :|07:40
* rohan cries07:40
naliothtry editing outside the bot07:41
elkyaside from the fact it seems like spam to begin with07:41
elkywhy would we have factoids about software that only runs on windows?07:41
rohanelky: not true 07:41
rohanelky: only FTP service is only available on Windows07:42
elkyyes, so why do ubuntu users need to know about it to begin with?07:42
rohanelky: ?? becuase its software that runs in linux please see  http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html iam really sorry to argue but i think you are confused07:43
elkyi think you're confused about the purpose of the bot. it's for UBUNTU software.07:43
elkyand UBUNTU information07:44
elkyNOT non-standard installation proceedures OR windows software.07:44
Flannelrohan: Ubuntu users can simply install a proper LAMP stack, that's completely supported and everything.07:44
rohanflannel: so wouldnt it be good to know about xampp to?07:45
elkyno.07:45
Flannelrohan: There's no reason, and that's not supported software anyway.  You'd be putting users at risk.07:45
jussi01!scope07:46
ubottuWe don't need factoids for *everything* ;)07:46
rohanok iam sorry 07:46
rohantritium: do you mind if i pm you?07:46
tritiumrohan: about?07:47
rohanfurther factoids you can first see the editing and if the factoids are required07:47
tritiumrohan: No, I'm not an editor.  Further, I'm going to bed.07:48
rohanheh bye to all iam sorry for all your "presious time that was lost!" 07:49
ikoniathat is the user dmseg07:49
ikoniaI'm %99.9 certain07:49
ikoniahe was in the other day as "r2r"07:49
ikoniaI'm trying to get someone to confirm the ip against dmseg to be %100 , but I am %99.99 certain that is the little troll kid dmseg07:50
ikoniaas I understand it, he's been removed from ##linux and is now trying to get back to being an op in #ubuntu related channels (which was his first request)07:50
jussi01tritium: fyi, I do beleiveyou are an editor07:51
tritiumjussi01: not at his request ;)07:52
jussi01tritium: :D07:52
sysdefwhy this channel is public logged? i think the ban discussions should be private. i'm wrong?10:28
jussi01sysdef: its to make sure there is transparency in the operators actions, and then everybody can see what was said when. 10:30
Garyand so everyone can laugh at me :'(10:30
jussi01Gary: I deliberately didnt say that :P10:31
jussi01slamFIST: can we help you with something?10:31
ubottugeek_ called the ops in #ubuntu ()10:31
sysdefjussi01: but i can't get why it should be searchable with irseek10:31
Garymight want to set a ban on r0ms n=anonyr0m@ip68-97-64-202.ok.ok.cox.net10:32
jussi01Gary: surely he was kline material - spamming like that10:32
jussi01??10:33
jussi01sysdef: because irseek probably pulls the public logs from the ubuntu site. I dont get why it would be a problem. 10:34
sysdefjussi01: they said they do it to make the wisdome of irc available to the community. ban discussions aren't technical wisdome at all. so they talked crap10:35
sysdefdid you "opt-in" the service?10:35
jussi01sysdef: Im not sure of the current irseek status, so I cant answer that.10:36
sysdefi just think the status is: they don't keep there promises and still lying10:37
Garyjussi01: sorted10:37
elkyjussi01, slamFIST has been forwarded here to explain how he was using the channel #ubuntu-women.10:37
jussi01Gary: great. now I dont have to make a ban. :)10:37
sysdefthats just why i ask: did ubuntu invite aka opt-in the irseek bots to this channel?10:39
jussi01sysdef: is there a reason you are pursuing this?10:39
jussi01sysdef: also, no there is no irseek bot in this channel - see the nick list10:40
sysdefthey don't stay all the time in channel10:41
sysdefjussi01: yes. the reason is: i'm the owner of #irseek-victims and so i do some investigations10:42
elkysysdef, you're barking up the wrong tree.10:42
jussi01sysdef: at the moment we dont have any complaints. if we do we will take them up with the appropriate people. 10:42
elkythe appropriate people being the people themselves, not a hate club.10:43
jussi01sysdef: if you have no other subjects that need resolving, please do not idle.10:45
sysdefjussi01: here is a complaint: i have been logged from them in an ban discussion channel, searchable by the website. i don't want it -> http://www.irseek.com/result.php?keywords=sysdef&pagerid=310:45
sysdefthey promised "1. Do our best to anonymize the nicknames." and they don't keep it10:46
elkysysdef, then ask them to take it down. we cannot prevent them from taking copies of the logs of this channel.10:46
sysdefelky: you can. they promised too: "we log only after the ops opt-in"10:47
elkysysdef, then take it to them.10:47
elkysysdef, we cannot stop people from copying logs posted at irclogs.ubuntu.com.10:47
elkythese logs are posted there for the openness of this community.10:47
Myrttioh for god sake10:48
Myrttimeh10:48
elkysysdef, there is no irseek logbot in this channel. you've been told this several times now.10:48
jussi01sysdef: the topic says this channel is publically logged, you made the choice to take up discussion here. 10:48
Myrttiexactly the moment I get my arse on the sofa after spending three hours doing laundry, mom calls10:48
sysdefelky: i didn't ask: "is a log bot in here?". i know the command /names. i asked: "did ubuntu opt-in?"10:49
elkysysdef, if we did there would be a bot here. HOWEVER, 'we log only' implies they log, which they dont. WE log.10:50
elkynow, please. leave. this is being logged.10:51
elkyand yes, we opted-in to logging ourselves.10:52
sysdefthere was a bot in here and they said they deleted the old logs. but they lied again. http://rafb.net/p/Rqq53740.html10:53
Myrttisysdef: oh noes! we feel your pain!10:54
Myrttisysdef: would you now go and complain to *them*?10:54
sysdefok, ack. you opt-in a search engine to the op channel. that's all i wanna know. thanks10:54
jussi01sysdef: We have no problem with irseek currently. thanks and bye. 10:54
elkysysdef, we log ourselves. our logs are publicly copyable. irseek is free to copy them. goodbye.10:54
Myrttithere isn't even a way we could stop them from copying10:56
Myrtti*technically*10:56
sysdefMyrtti: you just have to say: "stop it and delete the old logs"10:56
Myrttisysdef: which part of *technically* did you miss?10:57
sysdefbtw. i don't started the discussion. i just asked if you opt-in or not. nothing more.10:57
elkysysdef, while you're at it, take it to google too.10:57
Myrttiin this context, I mean there is no way of stop them copying the logs with technical means10:57
Myrttiand oh yes.10:58
Myrttigoogle does cache those files too, I presume10:58
MyrttiI personally use google to search our logs all the time10:58
elkyMyrtti, if we wanted to stop copying of our logs, we'd have a robots.txt stopping google. since we do not have that there's no reasonable expectation that we'd stop irseek.10:58
Myrttiexactly10:59
Myrttiand as we all well know, robots.txt is only a convention bypassable by, for example, wget10:59
elkyMyrtti, since we dont even have that, it means we are not preventing the copying *at all*11:00
sysdefi think there should be a 'Disallow' for the channel for ban discussions11:00
Myrttiwhy?11:01
elkysysdef, i dont. that would curb the openness of the community.11:01
sysdefok, i'll read the CoC again and try to get it ..11:02
elkyin the mean time, this is a non-idle channel.11:02
jussi01!idle | sysdef11:03
ubottusysdef: Please keep in mind that this channel is for operator/abuse questions only, and we ask you to part when you have no further business here, in order to keep track of users with pending inquiries.11:03
sysdefwe don't log public in #ubuntu-de-op ...11:03
elkysysdef, that's *your* choice. this is *our* choice.11:04
elkyif you want to force us to stop logging, then i'll turn the tables and force you to start.11:04
MyrttiI'd like to get very good explanations on why this channel shouldn't be logged in my email.11:05
elkycamel, can we help you?11:05
Myrttipreferably via the mailing list.11:05
sysdefjussi01: and i have to be an #ubuntu op, not an #ubuntu-de op to stay here? ic11:05
elkyMyrtti, the one that has public archives?11:05
Myrttithe one that has public archives11:06
elky:)11:06
elkycamel?11:06
* jussi01 hugs elky11:07
Myrttia-ha11:11
juliuxjussi01: sysdef is from ubuntu-de and he is an irc op on many german speaking ubuntu related channels, so he isn't allowed to be here?11:37
jussi01juliux: #ubuntu-irc is for locos, this channel is for main ubuntu chans11:38
elkyjuliux, when he comes in and interrogates us over irseek taking logs from irclogs.ubuntu.com, we feel it is counterproductive to this channel.11:38
elkysince we cannot issue a cease and desist, we cannot physically seperate them from the logs, and we do not wish to be used as a tool in his vendetta against irseek.11:39
elkyjuliux, do you see our point of view there?11:40
juliuxelky: sure, i just was wondering11:40
elkyjuliux, mind you, this is for ops of the main channels, -irc is the proper place for loco-based irc channels11:41
elkyi'd hate to try accomodate every loco's ops here *and* try hold a discussion with a banee, without someone like him fuelling the banee into protests about something we have no control over.11:42
jussi01hi unop, how can we help you today?11:43
unopwho do i inform about a bug in ubottu ?11:43
jussi01!bug11:43
ubottuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots11:43
elkyjussi01, launchpad11:43
elkyerrr11:44
elkysorry11:44
jussi01heheh11:44
jussi01unop: unless its a factoid bug11:44
elkyno idea how it changed un into your nick11:44
unopjussi01, it is a factoid bug indeed11:44
unopusing !find - returns this  File linux-image-2.6.20 found in Use, of, uninitialized, value, in (and 32 others) 11:44
jussi01then just /msg ubottu factoid is new suggestion here11:44
unopjussi01, but it's not an informational error, it sounds like a perl error message to me 11:45
jussi01unop: yeah, since supybot is python, but yeah, we know about thatone, although you are welcome to formally report it. 11:45
elkyor submit a patch11:45
* elky ducks11:46
unopjussi01, well, if you guys are aware of it - i guess it doesn't make sense to report it again11:46
jussi01unop: well it does, as it actually puts it on the todo list and things get done that way11:46
unopok, i shall do that then11:46
jussi01unop: thanks :)11:47
jussi01unop: anyrthing else we can do for you?11:50
unopjussi01, errm, yea - do factoid corrections/enhancements ever get approved? :)11:51
jussi01unop: if they are good, yes11:51
jussi01unop: thats why the bot thanks you for your attention to detail ;)11:51
unophmm, i guess the one's i've been making aren't good then11:51
jussi01unop: remember this...11:52
jussi01!scope11:52
ubottuWe don't need factoids for *everything* ;)11:52
jussi01:)11:52
unopjussi01, i don't disagree with that and i don't add needless factoids - i tend to suggest corrections to existing ones11:52
jussi01unop: sure. I havent seen your corrections, but just a note to remember - short and sweet :) Long factoids suck...11:53
jussi01unop: but please, as long as you dont flood us, things usually happen11:54
unopjussi01, well, i know long factoids aren't useful and i bear that in mind - i don't flood, i submit once and that's it11:55
jussi01:)11:55
unopbut i've never seen ammendments made - so i guess either they're not being approved (i don't know why, it would be nice to know why they were declined) or they're not being reviewed at all (and perhaps i'm wasting time?)11:56
Myrttido tell which factoid are you missing?11:59
jussi01unop: as I said, either someone didnt like them, they came at a difficult time and got missed or they came when no edtors were around. we do our best to keep them up to date.11:59
unopMyrtti, !trash would be one12:00
jussi01!trash12:00
ubottuThe location of Trash has changed in 8.04, it is now located in ~/.local/share/Trash | Looking for the trash in previous versions: ~/.Trash12:00
jussi01unop: whats your correction?12:01
unopjussi01, i added in a note about the locations of the trash directories on removable media  12:01
unopjussi01,  the location is usually, /path/to/mount_point/.Trash-$USER or /path/to/mount_point/.Trash-$UID12:02
jussi01unop: In my opinion that is not a really frequently asked question and makes the factoid longer than it needs to be. Myrtti elky care to chip in?12:03
unopjussi01, i've seen it be asked about quite a few times 12:03
Myrtti*shrug* I've never seen it12:04
unopwhich is why i suggested the correction12:04
Myrttiwhich channel has this been?12:04
jussi01me either.12:04
unop#ubuntu 12:04
unopwell well, my task's done - a bug report has been submitted.12:12
unopthanks again :)12:12
MyrttislamFIST: hello12:13
Myrtti... 2 days 6 hours 29 mins 0 secs12:14
Myrttiohmygod12:22
MyrttiI just saw the cutest ever12:22
MyrttiAleksi stretched AND yawned at the same time12:22
elkyaleksi being your guineapig?12:29
Myrttiyup12:31
Myrttiand he also twiddled his nose12:31
ompaulaleksi is his own guineapig - Myrtti is belonging to him!¬12:36
Myrttithat's true12:36
Myrttihe's the man in my life12:36
Myrttimore adorable that Laku12:36
Myrtti*yawn*12:43
PriceChildIrSeek seems to have logs of this channel. I will try and deal with it.13:22
jussi01PriceChild: why wouldnt they? 13:23
LjLi don't believe we allowed them for this channel13:24
PriceChildOh wait... hmm this channels fits in with the rules we set down.13:24
LjLalso, they don't have a bot here, i still believed they employed their bot13:24
jussi01LjL: its not really a point is it? the logs are publically available13:24
LjLPriceChild: well, this channel is logged already, but i believe we always insisted we didn't mind the delay that irclogs has13:24
LjLjussi01: and delayed13:24
jussi01LjL: exactly my point - why is this a problem?13:25
PriceChildIgnore me, I'm being a fool.13:25
* jussi01 hugs PriceChild13:25
Myrttimib_m2c4g1: how may we help you?13:25
LjLjussi01: it is if theirs aren't delayed (although i guess they would be, as they don't have a bot here, so they must be copying the irclogs logs)13:25
LjLand anyway, it's also a matter of principle - if we said "no" about this channel, they should respect that13:26
LjLand we said "no" last time i was present13:26
PriceChildI wonder if they are doing all irclogs. channels... because i doubt jenda ok'd them to do ubuntu-marketing for example.13:27
juliuxLjL: irseek is parsing irclogs.ubuntu.com because tehre are also entries from 2005 and at this time where only 10 people in #edubuntu and definitly no irseekbot;)13:27
PriceChildI wish I always thought before speaking.13:28
* PriceChild finds where we ok'd them to do irclogs.13:28
juliuxPriceChild: but isn't that against he old rule that every log bot has to be announced to new users?13:29
juliuxlike locobot is doing it13:30
ompauljuliux, excuse my stupidity some memories not working - a live cd always has a / does it not13:31
juliuxompaul: omg13:31
ompauljuliux, hehe 13:32
ompauljust say yes or no13:32
Myrttiompaul: WTH?13:33
ompaulcan you think of any cases where / would not appear is really the question when using a live cd13:33
Myrttihow the hell can / *NOT* appear?13:34
ompaulexactly my thoughts13:35
Myrttibecause, shouldn't the livecd casper or whatever first mount the goddamned thing to even get it to boot?13:36
Myrttithis fails my logic13:36
ompaulMyrtti, thanks it was failing two other peoples but just in case something new and wonderful was happening13:37
ompauland it ain13:37
ompaulaint13:37
ompaulChannel:   ubuntu-classroom   irseek allowed?13:42
PriceChildthe dec decision says its ok to log channels on irclogs. and owned by irccouncil, as well as others with owner's permission. I'm not sure whether the cc decision said it was ok for all irclogs. channels.13:44
* PriceChild moves on13:51
ompaulthat was what we call a failure :-(13:59
ompaulthe whole wm stopped working13:59
PriceChildOh its already all been discussed here.14:01
* PriceChild sighs14:01
ompaulPriceChild, ?14:02
PriceChildthe whole irseek thing14:03
jussi01PriceChild: yep14:03
ompaulahh14:04
ompaulbtw they are parsing what we do here 14:05
ompaulnin[j]a is ban forwarded to here - reason quit message - comments in usual place 14:09
ubottuIn #ubuntu, Aaqil said: ubottu: where is Gnome there is only keyboard14:09
ompaulMyrtti, I take it you saw my pm 14:12
ompaulPriceChild, ahh I see your comment now , the machine froze I didn't see it in previous session 14:13
PriceChildI don't like making myself a fool.14:13
ompaulPriceChild, I had no idea it was agreed  to or not agreed to 14:14
LjLhave you noticed the tags added to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat ?14:14
ompaulLjL, no14:15
ompaulheh14:15
Myrttiompaul: yes14:15
ompaulthey want it to be "real documentation"14:15
LjLwell14:15
LjLhowever... that page's not supposed to be internal to the irc teams14:15
LjLit's supposed to be for end users of irc14:15
LjLalthough it probably does get a bit astray at times14:16
ompaulLjL, ergo my "heh"14:18
* jussi01 hugs PriceChild14:19
jribompaul: atlef is copying to /dev/sdi2  it might actually screw stuff up14:31
ompaulsdi214:31
ompaulright I better relax14:32
LjLjrib: not might, definitely does, he was using sudo for it14:37
LjLi did say "cp source destination" which could probably be a bit ambiguous if you're only seen /dev/ as a name for your drive for some reason14:38
LjLand i didn't say sudo either14:38
LjLbut i guess i've learned something new14:38
Myrttihello leoquant 14:50
Myrttihow may we help you?14:50
leoquanti have no qustions at all Myrtti14:51
Myrttiwas there a specific reason you joined here, then, if you don't mind me being curious?14:52
leoquantMyrtti i am an -op for more than 3 months. 14:54
leoquantthere is a lot of experience here 14:55
leoquantso.....14:55
leoquantif i have a question this seems the right spot te me14:56
leoquantte==>to14:57
LjLleoquant, well, the right place for loco channel ops is #ubuntu-irc, to tell the truth14:57
LjLthis is supposed to be the irc team's channel...14:57
elkyleoquant, we actually have two operator channels. this one is just for the main channels, so we dont have too many people here which can be confronting for the banned people who want to have a fit14:57
leoquantah. i am not an -op in the main ubuntu channels14:59
leoquantbetter to say bye than......15:00
leoquant15:00
LjLwhy don't we have *any* vmware package anymore anyway... assuming that's the case15:09
DLangefyi, from #freenode:15:27
DLange16:18 <tuxxy__> hello, I have an unofficial 64-bit linux user group registered on freenode as #ubuntu-64-bit is this allowed or would i need to rename it ##ubuntu-64-bit15:27
DLange16:20 <+DLange> tuxxy__: you need to rename it, the #ubuntu-* namespace is reserved for use by Ubuntu and official subproject / groups etc.15:28
DLange16:20 <glade88> DLange: could there be a redirect from #ubuntu-64-bit to ##ubuntu-64-bit?15:28
DLange16:21 <tavi> well a lot of them ar like this Maniadriveis a free clone of Trackmania15:28
DLange16:22 <+DLange> glade88: as he has the #channel currently, he can set that up. It's the Ubuntu IRC councils decision what happens in the #ubuntu namespace,15:28
DLange16:23 <glade88> shall we ask on #ubuntu-irc ?15:28
DLange16:24 <tuxxy__> is there any possibility I would be able to use the current channel15:28
DLange16:25 <+DLange> ask the Ubuntu IRC council, I doubt it, but asking is always an option15:28
DLangetuxxy__ has joined #ubuntu-irc now15:28
LjLthank you15:29
MyrttiI'm a bit confused why it needs to be forwarded15:30
Myrttioh, right15:30
Myrttiright.15:30
Myrttinevermind15:31
LjLi'm checking...15:31
LjLthey have a team on lp15:31
MyrttiI'm on it I think15:31
LjLi don't like the idea of a support channel, though15:31
Myrttinetiher do I15:32
LjLwarning warning warning :<15:41
LjLbells ringing alarms sounding15:41
ikoniait's a pointless channel15:42
Myrttishould I join?15:42
MyrttiI dunt wanna15:42
LjLikonia: there are many pointless things we don't hinder in the # namespace... on the other hand, there are some *harmful* things too, hence the bells15:43
LjLi haven't joined15:43
MyrttiI mean, -irc15:43
MyrttiI'm getting reflux again...15:43
Myrttioh BOY!15:43
LjLMyrtti: i can give you logs though15:44
LjL(and yes you should join since you've asked)15:44
ikoniaLjL: yes, there are many pointless channels, hence why another one seems......sad15:44
LjLit appears that i don't have a clue what (if any) the process for approving a non-LoCo team is15:49
Myrttiask jono?15:51
Myrtti*shrug*15:51
* LjL has never talked to the higher spheres :P15:51
LjLwell except the cc15:52
MyrttiLjL: he listens to Metallica. Normal guy. a bit crazy, and cute as a baby bunny, but a normal guy.15:54
* Myrtti hides15:54
LjLMyrtti: cute as a piece of bacon? :P15:55
* LjL hides too15:55
* Myrtti chuckles15:56
Myrttisweet as a cheesecake *COUGH*15:56
jussi01LjL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto15:57
Myrttijussi01: here's a fresh pair of eyes for ya, buddy15:58
jussi01Myrtti: huh?15:58
Myrtti[17:49] <+LjL> it appears that i don't have a clue what (if any) the process for approving a  *non-LoCo* team is15:58
Myrttiemphasis mine15:58
jussi01oh rofl...15:58
jussi01ooops15:59
LjLheh15:59
LjLwait the jono who's online isn't jono, is he16:00
Myrttino16:00
Myrtti[10:31] ~~~jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]16:00
LjLperhaps he'd better set guard on the nick16:00
Myrttiyes, he should16:00
MyrttiI is not happy.16:01
MyrttiReflux sux16:02
LjLthe name sounds awful too16:02
* Myrtti goes to draw a bath16:05
LjLompaul: know why you banned makro*!*@*?16:58
LjLthe bantracker must have missed it16:58
ompaulLjL, let me find16:59
LjLand my logs too16:59
ompaulwhere LjL I can't find it17:01
LjLompaul: well, the ban is active in #ubuntu, server says it was set on 30 june17:02
ompaulhmm17:02
ompaullet me look17:02
ompaulAnon9189 (n=Makro@gw2.ltnet.cz) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "abuse like that gets banned like this")17:04
ompaul <Anon9189>      omg... you are fucking gays xD 17:04
ompaulin reverse order17:04
ompaul ompaul sets ban on makro*!*@*17:05
ompaulyeap it was me17:05
ompaul:-)17:05
LjLuhm, but you banned the nick and not the ident...17:05
LjLbut makro was the ident there17:06
LjLnow i have a guy from another isp, might be someone else17:06
ompaulby any chance is he on .cz?17:06
ompaullet him in btw17:07
LjLno, he's .cl17:07
LjLhe's in #ubuntustudio, i caught the word "banned"17:07
ompaulI removed it17:07
ompaulI missed it I must go back over my bans 17:07
LjLshall i ask him in anyway?17:08
ompaulsend him an invite17:08
ompauland tell him the ban is removed17:08
ompaulohh I thought you meant into #u17:08
LjLno i meant here17:09
* ompaul executes the command: LjL --vvvv17:09
LjLMakro1: the ban has been removed, we believe it was indeed intended for someone else17:09
Makro1LjL: okay thanks :)17:10
LjLMakro1: just in case, though, i'll ask you to check out these in the bot17:10
LjL!etiquette17:10
ubottuUnsure how you should behave on this channel? See (in a private message with the bot, /msg ubottu <keyword>): !AskTheBot, !CoC, !Guidelines, !Offtopic, !Language, !Attitude, !Repeat, !Enter, !Paste, !NickSpam, !PM, !English - And most importantly, use common sense...17:10
LjL!guidelines17:10
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines17:10
ompaulMakro1, you can do that with a /msg ubottu KeyWord17:10
Makro1ompaul: thanks for the tips :)17:11
LjLMakro1: sorry for the trouble17:11
Makro1LjL: no problem, you're handy ;)17:11
ompaulMakro1, cheers - I was the one that set the ban pity people are not forced to use their real life idents then we would not get it mixed up, wrong maybe, not mixed up :)17:12
LjLwe're usually also quicker to find out what bans are about, but this time our machinery for that failed ;)17:12
jribso I'm guessing #ubuntu-buttsex is not an official channel?17:12
ompauljrib, funny enough I would agree with you there17:13
LjLoh jee17:13
jribI idled there for about an hour on mibbit and got kicked17:13
ompaulPriceChild, nalioth ^^ please see jrib17:13
ompaulstand clear - demolition nearby17:14
LjLMakro1: so, err, as you can see we've moved on to discuss "interesting" stuff, please leave the channel if you have no further questions17:14
Makro1LjL: okay,no problem bye bye17:14
* nalioth blinks17:19
LjLnalioth: now who/what the heck is that user?17:22
naliothLjL: what user?17:22
LjLthe one that kicked me, but nevermind i guess, it must be one of the so-called channel ops17:23
* nalioth whistles innocently17:23
LjLah.17:23
LjLnalioth, perhaps have a quick look at JohnD as well, he was saying nonsense in #ubuntu, and someone in #debian claimed it was a "smart" bot, which i have no trouble believing17:24
* nalioth just woke up. Anything else on the agenda?17:25
jdongwhy do all the smart bots say nonsense? :)17:26
LjLnalioth: oh yes, there's a horde of spambots in -unregged, we can't remove +R from #ubuntu, half of the network has been k-lined by mistake, and we have three people reporting op abuse17:27
LjLnalioth: no, there's nothing else - kidding :P17:27
LjLjdong: well, they imitate people17:27
naliothLjL: looks like we missed one - OH HAI jdong!17:27
jdong:)17:27
naliothjrib: your fave channel just got whacked, btw17:28
jribheh17:28
jdongnalioth: sorry I don't know anything about !17:28
naliothand yes, johnd was a bot17:31
jrib!hi17:44
ubottuHi! Welcome to #ubuntu-ops!17:44
Myrttimen...17:45
ompaul!sound18:24
ubottuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP318:24
ompaulhttp://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html18:24
ompaulPici, should that page be introduced to the line below18:25
Piciompaul: I dont think so, that looks like its more for programmers.18:25
ompaulPici, ok18:26
Myrttiwhee.18:34
Myrttiomg.18:54
Myrttididn't remember water with lemon was this good.18:54
MyrttiLALALALA19:00
* Myrtti pokes Pici with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™19:02
Myrtti*SQUEEEAK*19:02
Myrttiyou folks are BORING19:02
Picibawooop19:02
* nalioth likes water with lime ( really big around here, limes )19:03
Myrttiactually19:03
Myrttithose were limes19:03
Myrttithis time19:03
* Pici puts the lime in the coconut and shakes it all around19:10
* ompaul considers a charter for -ot which includes you must give 10 hours of good help per month to #u to maintain your access ;-) 21:09
ompaulthis would be interesting21:09
ompauland maybe too scary21:09
jdongompaul: haha one of the forums I belong to does a similar thing21:11
jdongwhere you have to maintain a certain reputation and activity level to access the lounge21:11
jdongthere's times I want to do that for ubuntuforums too but I would be lynched for it...21:11
ompauljdong, then it must be a bad idea ;-)21:12
ubottuIn #ubuntuforums, ldp said: ubottu: ubottu is rubbish21:16
jribpoor ubottu21:22
PriceChildHey slamFIST, how can I help?21:22
ompaul!otherdisto is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can21:26
ubottuIn #ubuntu-ops, ompaul said: !otherdisto is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can21:26
ompaul@btlogin21:26
ompaul@login21:26
ubottuThe operation succeeded.21:26
ompaul@btlogin21:26
ompaul@btlogin21:27
ompaul!otherdisto is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can21:28
jribompaul: s/disto/distro21:28
ompaulwoops21:28
ompaulit aint reacting to me anyways :)21:28
ompaul!otherdistro is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can21:28
ubottuI'll remember that, ompaul21:28
jribsee, it knew it wasn't what you wanted before21:29
jrib!otherdisto21:29
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about otherdisto21:29
ompauljrib, see it ubottu is not rubbish, is clever!21:29
ompaul!otherdistro21:29
ubottuwe really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can21:29
ompauljrib, first person to go on about windows gets that in -ot :)21:30
ompaulhehe21:30
ubottuznh called the ops in #ubuntu ()21:49
Pici...21:50
ikoniafirst thing that came to mind.....yeah right21:51
znhHello :)21:52
ikoniahello21:52
ikoniawhat's the problem/issue ?21:52
znhan IP that is owned by me has been banned. I'd like to have this IP cleared21:53
znhI had a AI running on that IP which was unfortanetly badly configured so it said things while it shouldn't21:53
jribwhat ip?21:53
PiciIn #ubuntu?21:53
znhin #ubuntu yes21:53
znhcer78-1-88-174-57-17.fbx.proxad.net / 88.174.57.1721:54
tritiumznh: you should not be running bots in #ubuntu, anyway.21:55
jussi01What was an AI doing in #ubuntu?21:55
znhlearning.21:55
ikoniaahh I remember this21:55
ikoniayou asked if you could put the bot in 21:55
ikoniaas I recall21:55
ikoniaas you wanted it to "learn"21:55
znhI havn't asked you :/21:55
ikoniaznh: what was the nick the bot was using?21:56
znhJohnD21:56
jussi01Bots require permission to be in the ubuntu channels21:56
LjLJohnD was on *this* IP?21:56
znhthe IP i gave, yes21:56
LjLah, no, not the one you're on now21:56
LjLright21:56
LjLznh: well why didn't you come in here with that IP?21:57
znhwhich IP, the JohnD one or this one21:57
LjLznh: the JohnD one, you don't have to change your IP to join this channel21:57
znhI know, but this is the computer I have nearby at the moment21:58
LjLznh, JohnD didn't only disrupt #ubuntu, but several other channels too.21:58
LjLi honestly don't know what to say, you're lucky if that ip can still join the network to begin with21:59
znhI know, as I said it was badly configured. It said 5 lines once I noticed and put it down inmediatly. now please stop that tone. It's Sunday after all21:59
LjLznh, i'll give you a suggestion22:00
LjLthe logs of #ubuntu and other Ubuntu channels are available publicly22:00
LjL!logs22:00
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/22:00
tritiumznh: nobody is taking a tone but you22:00
LjLit would probably be a much safer way to train your Markov bots on logs22:00
LjLthey're also extensive, very22:00
LjLthey reach back into 200422:00
LjLthough make no mistake, no matter how much channel activity you feed a Markov chain, you won't fool real people for very long with it - but i suppose that's not your goal anyway22:01
znhthat's a helpful suggestion :)22:02
znhtritium, that's a funny twist22:02
tritiumznh: There's no twist, and it's not funny.22:03
LjLznh, well i didn't find it funny, anyway you're perhaps not taking any tone, but neither am i, for sure. i'm taking the tone that's appropriate to convey the message that i'm talking about something seriously.22:03
znhstill I don't like the way all this happened22:05
znhbut on this 'free' network I can't except any commercial tones :)22:06
LjLand i still don't think there was anything wrong with my tone22:07
tritiumznh: what?  s/except/accept, perhaps?  Your sentence makes no sense.22:07
Pici!guidelines22:07
ubottuThe guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines22:08
LjLtritium: expect?22:08
tritiumLjL: could be22:08
znhexpect, this twisting twists controls too heh22:10
Piciznh: We take our channel policies seriously.  I'm not sure what you're getting at here.22:11
znhjust saying that I feel like being made a bad guy while I try hard not to22:11
LjLznh, see22:12
LjLthe thing is...22:12
LjLthis is not the first Markov bot we see. far from it.22:12
LjLthe previous N were probably malicious22:12
LjLunless N people, with N being pretty big, were all mistakenly making their bots learn in several channels22:13
LjLso we *are* suspicious22:13
LjLand since the policies say "no bot" anyway22:13
LjLno bots*22:13
LjLwhen not only there is a bot, but it says nonsense in several channels too... that can't be taken but seriously22:13
znhI hear you there. but do understand that people might not know that22:14
LjL!test22:33
LjLit works in PM...22:34
bazhangsorry I dont know anything about test22:34
bazhang:)22:34
LjLbazhang: and you shouldn't, but the bot should! :P22:34
bazhangLjL, hi!22:35
bazhangsuper-typhoon here; second in three weeks :(22:35
bazhangubottu lag22:36
stdin!ping22:36
ubottuping yourself ;-) really the diodes all down my left side are sore22:36
LjL!test22:40
ubottusigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.22:40
LjLthanks22:40
LjLpfff ok ribeiro, you keep answering, i go smoke a cig, enough with the echo :P22:47
jribhrmm23:19
LjLjrib i was just kidding eh23:34
LjLit's just it's funny when we keep hitting entering at exactly the same time a couple times in a row23:35
jribyeah :)23:36
jrib"please use #ubuntu instead of private messaging me"; "ok" "I know" "But how do I...?"...23:37
LjLjrib: you can verbally abuse me if you need an outlet23:37
PiciOnly he can?23:38
jribwasn't the factoid for installing things without an internet connection !offline ?23:39
LjLstdin, bot apparently broken again23:40
LjLjrib: yes but the bot has gone drunk23:40
stdin!test23:40
ubottu'find' function is disabled23:40
stdinugg23:40
jribwell that explains it23:40
LjLljlhead:/home/bots/.muh# tail -500000 \#ubuntu.log | grep "<jrib>" | wc -l23:41
LjL275023:41
LjLljlhead:/home/bots/.muh# tail -500000 \#ubuntu.log | grep "<Pici>" | wc -l23:41
LjL82123:41
LjLPici: yes, he's still the one entitled to it :P23:41
jribwoah23:42
Picifine23:42
Seeker`!test23:42
ubottusigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.23:42
jribI need to just minimize my weechat window23:42
bobertdosOkay, that looks better23:42
jribit just needed Seeker`'s gentle touch23:43
stdin!test23:43
ubottusigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.23:43
stdinthe ruddy thing is fixed again (and by "fixed" I really mean "less broken than before")23:44
Seeker`\o/23:45
bobertdos:D23:45
Seeker`stdin: wrt ubottu, I think that is the best you can hope for23:45
Seeker`eurgh, laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag23:45
stdinI'm not surprised seveas abandoned supybot, it's mind-melting23:46
bobertdosstdin: You spoke too soon.23:48
bobertdos!test23:48
ubottusigh... again? I'm busy here, I already told you it failed.23:48
bobertdosgah23:49
stdinI hope that's just lag23:49
bobertdosWhat is up with this thing. One second dead, another second alive.......23:49
stdinI got a bigger hammer23:49
bobertdosyayz23:49

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