[00:32] <Seeker`> pasted the wrong thing?
[00:33] <PriceChild> Seeker`: most clients have mechanisms to avoid that.
[01:56] <elky> PriceChild, unfortunately they're only ever 'avoid' not 'prevent' :(
[02:14]  * jrib sighs
[02:15] <elky> a slight join flood after that, including an uncyclopedia cloak. i'm hawking
[02:18] <jrib> heh, if you're asking about rainbow tables in #ubuntu, I doubt you'll be using them properly
[02:21] <Flannel> heh
[02:22] <elky> someone wanna check if he's still floating around?
[02:23] <Flannel> Who?
[02:24] <elky> jme_009
[02:24] <stdin> they were k-lined
[02:25] <nalioth> quite so
[02:25] <elky> both, cool
[02:25] <elky> i'll remove the ban
[02:26] <elky> nalioth, you got the second iteration too, right?
[02:26] <nalioth> 2nd iteration?
[02:26] <elky> the one i banned before he could cause probs
[02:26] <elky> * jme_009 (n=oke@bas2-ottawa23-1167851830.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #ubuntu
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[02:26] <elky> * jme_009 is now known as lolwut
[02:26] <elky> * fvwmnet_1 has quit (Client Quit)
[02:26] <elky> * lolwut is now known as lolwut2
[02:26] <elky> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to elky
[02:26] <elky> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to elky
[02:26] <elky> * ChanServ gives channel operator status to elky
[02:26] <elky> * lolwut2 (n=oke@bas2-ottawa23-1167851830.dsl.bell.ca) has left #ubuntu (requested by elky)
[02:26] <elky> * elky sets ban on *!*@bas2-ottawa23-1167851830.dsl.bell.ca
[02:27] <nalioth> i see it, no need to paste
[02:29] <elky> i only meant to pste that first line :-/
[02:30] <elky> anyway, im off to have lunch. cyas
[02:31] <nalioth> enjoy
[02:46] <bazhang> @login
[05:00] <Flannel> Anyone awake with ops in -ot?
[05:07] <tritium> Flannel: what's going on?
[05:07] <Flannel> tritium: Nothing needed now, the parties involved seem to have backed down
[05:07] <tritium> Flannel: ok, good deal.
[05:07] <Flannel> But, for a while, it was up inthe air, so I figured I'd ask in case it was needed
[05:08] <tritium> I'll be awake for a bit longer, but heading to bed soon.
[05:14] <nalioth> Flannel: you need to practice your jedi mind tricks  :P
[06:18] <tritium> Thanks for handling that, Hobbsee.
[06:18] <Hobbsee> tritium: i didn't, i think someone else did.
[06:18] <tritium> Ah, yes.  It was elky.
[07:18] <rohan> sorry ro barge in but i would like to suggest some factoids for ubottu like xampp fdisk gparted and all
[07:18] <rohan> *to
[07:18] <tritium> There's one for gparted, for sure
[07:19] <rohan> !gpated
[07:19] <rohan> !gparted
[07:19] <rohan> ok about fdisk?
[07:20] <tritium> !partition
[07:20] <rohan> tritium: could tell me how to suggest factoids
[07:21] <nalioth> rohan: say "ubottu foo is bar"
[07:22] <rohan> ok thanks nalioth , as the topic says i must go NO IDELERS heh
[07:22] <tritium> !usage
[07:22] <tritium> Good evening, nalioth.
[07:22] <nalioth> hi tritium 
[07:25] <elky> nalioth, the pm variety of suggestion may have been smarter?
[07:26] <nalioth> he left
[07:26] <nalioth> i was fixing to tell him
[07:28] <elky> i gather you utilised the same protocol to educate him after his departure?
[07:31] <jussi01> mrgh
[07:32] <jussi01> Cant wait to go home. 
[07:38] <rohan> yes?
[07:40] <nalioth> rohan: you input your factoid once, and we add it.  please don't keep hammering the same one into the bot
[07:40] <tritium> nalioth: he was editing it, as I pointed out some errors
[07:40] <rohan> nalioth: iam really sorry 
[07:40] <tritium> Not his fault.
[07:40] <nalioth> ah, well, it makes the channel spammy  :|
[07:40]  * rohan cries
[07:41] <nalioth> try editing outside the bot
[07:41] <elky> aside from the fact it seems like spam to begin with
[07:41] <elky> why would we have factoids about software that only runs on windows?
[07:41] <rohan> elky: not true 
[07:42] <rohan> elky: only FTP service is only available on Windows
[07:42] <elky> yes, so why do ubuntu users need to know about it to begin with?
[07:43] <rohan> elky: ?? becuase its software that runs in linux please see  http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp.html iam really sorry to argue but i think you are confused
[07:43] <elky> i think you're confused about the purpose of the bot. it's for UBUNTU software.
[07:44] <elky> and UBUNTU information
[07:44] <elky> NOT non-standard installation proceedures OR windows software.
[07:44] <Flannel> rohan: Ubuntu users can simply install a proper LAMP stack, that's completely supported and everything.
[07:45] <rohan> flannel: so wouldnt it be good to know about xampp to?
[07:45] <elky> no.
[07:45] <Flannel> rohan: There's no reason, and that's not supported software anyway.  You'd be putting users at risk.
[07:46] <jussi01> !scope
[07:46] <rohan> ok iam sorry 
[07:46] <rohan> tritium: do you mind if i pm you?
[07:47] <tritium> rohan: about?
[07:47] <rohan> further factoids you can first see the editing and if the factoids are required
[07:48] <tritium> rohan: No, I'm not an editor.  Further, I'm going to bed.
[07:49] <rohan> heh bye to all iam sorry for all your "presious time that was lost!" 
[07:49] <ikonia> that is the user dmseg
[07:49] <ikonia> I'm %99.9 certain
[07:49] <ikonia> he was in the other day as "r2r"
[07:50] <ikonia> I'm trying to get someone to confirm the ip against dmseg to be %100 , but I am %99.99 certain that is the little troll kid dmseg
[07:50] <ikonia> as I understand it, he's been removed from ##linux and is now trying to get back to being an op in #ubuntu related channels (which was his first request)
[07:51] <jussi01> tritium: fyi, I do beleiveyou are an editor
[07:52] <tritium> jussi01: not at his request ;)
[07:52] <jussi01> tritium: :D
[10:28] <sysdef> why this channel is public logged? i think the ban discussions should be private. i'm wrong?
[10:30] <jussi01> sysdef: its to make sure there is transparency in the operators actions, and then everybody can see what was said when. 
[10:30] <Gary> and so everyone can laugh at me :'(
[10:31] <jussi01> Gary: I deliberately didnt say that :P
[10:31] <jussi01> slamFIST: can we help you with something?
[10:31] <sysdef> jussi01: but i can't get why it should be searchable with irseek
[10:32] <Gary> might want to set a ban on r0ms n=anonyr0m@ip68-97-64-202.ok.ok.cox.net
[10:32] <jussi01> Gary: surely he was kline material - spamming like that
[10:33] <jussi01> ??
[10:34] <jussi01> sysdef: because irseek probably pulls the public logs from the ubuntu site. I dont get why it would be a problem. 
[10:35] <sysdef> jussi01: they said they do it to make the wisdome of irc available to the community. ban discussions aren't technical wisdome at all. so they talked crap
[10:35] <sysdef> did you "opt-in" the service?
[10:36] <jussi01> sysdef: Im not sure of the current irseek status, so I cant answer that.
[10:37] <sysdef> i just think the status is: they don't keep there promises and still lying
[10:37] <Gary> jussi01: sorted
[10:37] <elky> jussi01, slamFIST has been forwarded here to explain how he was using the channel #ubuntu-women.
[10:37] <jussi01> Gary: great. now I dont have to make a ban. :)
[10:39] <sysdef> thats just why i ask: did ubuntu invite aka opt-in the irseek bots to this channel?
[10:39] <jussi01> sysdef: is there a reason you are pursuing this?
[10:40] <jussi01> sysdef: also, no there is no irseek bot in this channel - see the nick list
[10:41] <sysdef> they don't stay all the time in channel
[10:42] <sysdef> jussi01: yes. the reason is: i'm the owner of #irseek-victims and so i do some investigations
[10:42] <elky> sysdef, you're barking up the wrong tree.
[10:42] <jussi01> sysdef: at the moment we dont have any complaints. if we do we will take them up with the appropriate people. 
[10:43] <elky> the appropriate people being the people themselves, not a hate club.
[10:45] <jussi01> sysdef: if you have no other subjects that need resolving, please do not idle.
[10:45] <sysdef> jussi01: here is a complaint: i have been logged from them in an ban discussion channel, searchable by the website. i don't want it -> http://www.irseek.com/result.php?keywords=sysdef&pagerid=3
[10:46] <sysdef> they promised "1. Do our best to anonymize the nicknames." and they don't keep it
[10:46] <elky> sysdef, then ask them to take it down. we cannot prevent them from taking copies of the logs of this channel.
[10:47] <sysdef> elky: you can. they promised too: "we log only after the ops opt-in"
[10:47] <elky> sysdef, then take it to them.
[10:47] <elky> sysdef, we cannot stop people from copying logs posted at irclogs.ubuntu.com.
[10:47] <elky> these logs are posted there for the openness of this community.
[10:48] <Myrtti> oh for god sake
[10:48] <Myrtti> meh
[10:48] <elky> sysdef, there is no irseek logbot in this channel. you've been told this several times now.
[10:48] <jussi01> sysdef: the topic says this channel is publically logged, you made the choice to take up discussion here. 
[10:48] <Myrtti> exactly the moment I get my arse on the sofa after spending three hours doing laundry, mom calls
[10:49] <sysdef> elky: i didn't ask: "is a log bot in here?". i know the command /names. i asked: "did ubuntu opt-in?"
[10:50] <elky> sysdef, if we did there would be a bot here. HOWEVER, 'we log only' implies they log, which they dont. WE log.
[10:51] <elky> now, please. leave. this is being logged.
[10:52] <elky> and yes, we opted-in to logging ourselves.
[10:53] <sysdef> there was a bot in here and they said they deleted the old logs. but they lied again. http://rafb.net/p/Rqq53740.html
[10:54] <Myrtti> sysdef: oh noes! we feel your pain!
[10:54] <Myrtti> sysdef: would you now go and complain to *them*?
[10:54] <sysdef> ok, ack. you opt-in a search engine to the op channel. that's all i wanna know. thanks
[10:54] <jussi01> sysdef: We have no problem with irseek currently. thanks and bye. 
[10:54] <elky> sysdef, we log ourselves. our logs are publicly copyable. irseek is free to copy them. goodbye.
[10:56] <Myrtti> there isn't even a way we could stop them from copying
[10:56] <Myrtti> *technically*
[10:56] <sysdef> Myrtti: you just have to say: "stop it and delete the old logs"
[10:57] <Myrtti> sysdef: which part of *technically* did you miss?
[10:57] <sysdef> btw. i don't started the discussion. i just asked if you opt-in or not. nothing more.
[10:57] <elky> sysdef, while you're at it, take it to google too.
[10:57] <Myrtti> in this context, I mean there is no way of stop them copying the logs with technical means
[10:58] <Myrtti> and oh yes.
[10:58] <Myrtti> google does cache those files too, I presume
[10:58] <Myrtti> I personally use google to search our logs all the time
[10:58] <elky> Myrtti, if we wanted to stop copying of our logs, we'd have a robots.txt stopping google. since we do not have that there's no reasonable expectation that we'd stop irseek.
[10:59] <Myrtti> exactly
[10:59] <Myrtti> and as we all well know, robots.txt is only a convention bypassable by, for example, wget
[11:00] <elky> Myrtti, since we dont even have that, it means we are not preventing the copying *at all*
[11:00] <sysdef> i think there should be a 'Disallow' for the channel for ban discussions
[11:01] <Myrtti> why?
[11:01] <elky> sysdef, i dont. that would curb the openness of the community.
[11:02] <sysdef> ok, i'll read the CoC again and try to get it ..
[11:02] <elky> in the mean time, this is a non-idle channel.
[11:03] <jussi01> !idle | sysdef
[11:03] <sysdef> we don't log public in #ubuntu-de-op ...
[11:04] <elky> sysdef, that's *your* choice. this is *our* choice.
[11:04] <elky> if you want to force us to stop logging, then i'll turn the tables and force you to start.
[11:05] <Myrtti> I'd like to get very good explanations on why this channel shouldn't be logged in my email.
[11:05] <elky> camel, can we help you?
[11:05] <Myrtti> preferably via the mailing list.
[11:05] <sysdef> jussi01: and i have to be an #ubuntu op, not an #ubuntu-de op to stay here? ic
[11:05] <elky> Myrtti, the one that has public archives?
[11:06] <Myrtti> the one that has public archives
[11:06] <elky> :)
[11:06] <elky> camel?
[11:07]  * jussi01 hugs elky
[11:11] <Myrtti> a-ha
[11:37] <juliux> jussi01: sysdef is from ubuntu-de and he is an irc op on many german speaking ubuntu related channels, so he isn't allowed to be here?
[11:38] <jussi01> juliux: #ubuntu-irc is for locos, this channel is for main ubuntu chans
[11:38] <elky> juliux, when he comes in and interrogates us over irseek taking logs from irclogs.ubuntu.com, we feel it is counterproductive to this channel.
[11:39] <elky> since we cannot issue a cease and desist, we cannot physically seperate them from the logs, and we do not wish to be used as a tool in his vendetta against irseek.
[11:40] <elky> juliux, do you see our point of view there?
[11:40] <juliux> elky: sure, i just was wondering
[11:41] <elky> juliux, mind you, this is for ops of the main channels, -irc is the proper place for loco-based irc channels
[11:42] <elky> i'd hate to try accomodate every loco's ops here *and* try hold a discussion with a banee, without someone like him fuelling the banee into protests about something we have no control over.
[11:43] <jussi01> hi unop, how can we help you today?
[11:43] <unop> who do i inform about a bug in ubottu ?
[11:43] <jussi01> !bug
[11:43] <elky> jussi01, launchpad
[11:44] <elky> errr
[11:44] <elky> sorry
[11:44] <jussi01> heheh
[11:44] <jussi01> unop: unless its a factoid bug
[11:44] <elky> no idea how it changed un into your nick
[11:44] <unop> jussi01, it is a factoid bug indeed
[11:44] <unop> using !find - returns this  File linux-image-2.6.20 found in Use, of, uninitialized, value, in (and 32 others) 
[11:44] <jussi01> then just /msg ubottu factoid is new suggestion here
[11:45] <unop> jussi01, but it's not an informational error, it sounds like a perl error message to me 
[11:45] <jussi01> unop: yeah, since supybot is python, but yeah, we know about thatone, although you are welcome to formally report it. 
[11:45] <elky> or submit a patch
[11:46]  * elky ducks
[11:46] <unop> jussi01, well, if you guys are aware of it - i guess it doesn't make sense to report it again
[11:46] <jussi01> unop: well it does, as it actually puts it on the todo list and things get done that way
[11:46] <unop> ok, i shall do that then
[11:47] <jussi01> unop: thanks :)
[11:50] <jussi01> unop: anyrthing else we can do for you?
[11:51] <unop> jussi01, errm, yea - do factoid corrections/enhancements ever get approved? :)
[11:51] <jussi01> unop: if they are good, yes
[11:51] <jussi01> unop: thats why the bot thanks you for your attention to detail ;)
[11:51] <unop> hmm, i guess the one's i've been making aren't good then
[11:52] <jussi01> unop: remember this...
[11:52] <jussi01> !scope
[11:52] <jussi01> :)
[11:52] <unop> jussi01, i don't disagree with that and i don't add needless factoids - i tend to suggest corrections to existing ones
[11:53] <jussi01> unop: sure. I havent seen your corrections, but just a note to remember - short and sweet :) Long factoids suck...
[11:54] <jussi01> unop: but please, as long as you dont flood us, things usually happen
[11:55] <unop> jussi01, well, i know long factoids aren't useful and i bear that in mind - i don't flood, i submit once and that's it
[11:55] <jussi01> :)
[11:56] <unop> but i've never seen ammendments made - so i guess either they're not being approved (i don't know why, it would be nice to know why they were declined) or they're not being reviewed at all (and perhaps i'm wasting time?)
[11:59] <Myrtti> do tell which factoid are you missing?
[11:59] <jussi01> unop: as I said, either someone didnt like them, they came at a difficult time and got missed or they came when no edtors were around. we do our best to keep them up to date.
[12:00] <unop> Myrtti, !trash would be one
[12:00] <jussi01> !trash
[12:01] <jussi01> unop: whats your correction?
[12:01] <unop> jussi01, i added in a note about the locations of the trash directories on removable media  
[12:02] <unop> jussi01,  the location is usually, /path/to/mount_point/.Trash-$USER or /path/to/mount_point/.Trash-$UID
[12:03] <jussi01> unop: In my opinion that is not a really frequently asked question and makes the factoid longer than it needs to be. Myrtti elky care to chip in?
[12:03] <unop> jussi01, i've seen it be asked about quite a few times 
[12:04] <Myrtti> *shrug* I've never seen it
[12:04] <unop> which is why i suggested the correction
[12:04] <Myrtti> which channel has this been?
[12:04] <jussi01> me either.
[12:04] <unop> #ubuntu 
[12:12] <unop> well well, my task's done - a bug report has been submitted.
[12:12] <unop> thanks again :)
[12:13] <Myrtti> slamFIST: hello
[12:14] <Myrtti> ... 2 days 6 hours 29 mins 0 secs
[12:22] <Myrtti> ohmygod
[12:22] <Myrtti> I just saw the cutest ever
[12:22] <Myrtti> Aleksi stretched AND yawned at the same time
[12:29] <elky> aleksi being your guineapig?
[12:31] <Myrtti> yup
[12:31] <Myrtti> and he also twiddled his nose
[12:36] <ompaul> aleksi is his own guineapig - Myrtti is belonging to him!¬
[12:36] <Myrtti> that's true
[12:36] <Myrtti> he's the man in my life
[12:36] <Myrtti> more adorable that Laku
[12:43] <Myrtti> *yawn*
[13:22] <PriceChild> IrSeek seems to have logs of this channel. I will try and deal with it.
[13:23] <jussi01> PriceChild: why wouldnt they? 
[13:24] <LjL> i don't believe we allowed them for this channel
[13:24] <PriceChild> Oh wait... hmm this channels fits in with the rules we set down.
[13:24] <LjL> also, they don't have a bot here, i still believed they employed their bot
[13:24] <jussi01> LjL: its not really a point is it? the logs are publically available
[13:24] <LjL> PriceChild: well, this channel is logged already, but i believe we always insisted we didn't mind the delay that irclogs has
[13:24] <LjL> jussi01: and delayed
[13:25] <jussi01> LjL: exactly my point - why is this a problem?
[13:25] <PriceChild> Ignore me, I'm being a fool.
[13:25]  * jussi01 hugs PriceChild
[13:25] <Myrtti> mib_m2c4g1: how may we help you?
[13:25] <LjL> jussi01: it is if theirs aren't delayed (although i guess they would be, as they don't have a bot here, so they must be copying the irclogs logs)
[13:26] <LjL> and anyway, it's also a matter of principle - if we said "no" about this channel, they should respect that
[13:26] <LjL> and we said "no" last time i was present
[13:27] <PriceChild> I wonder if they are doing all irclogs. channels... because i doubt jenda ok'd them to do ubuntu-marketing for example.
[13:27] <juliux> LjL: irseek is parsing irclogs.ubuntu.com because tehre are also entries from 2005 and at this time where only 10 people in #edubuntu and definitly no irseekbot;)
[13:28] <PriceChild> I wish I always thought before speaking.
[13:28]  * PriceChild finds where we ok'd them to do irclogs.
[13:29] <juliux> PriceChild: but isn't that against he old rule that every log bot has to be announced to new users?
[13:30] <juliux> like locobot is doing it
[13:31] <ompaul> juliux, excuse my stupidity some memories not working - a live cd always has a / does it not
[13:31] <juliux> ompaul: omg
[13:32] <ompaul> juliux, hehe 
[13:32] <ompaul> just say yes or no
[13:33] <Myrtti> ompaul: WTH?
[13:33] <ompaul> can you think of any cases where / would not appear is really the question when using a live cd
[13:34] <Myrtti> how the hell can / *NOT* appear?
[13:35] <ompaul> exactly my thoughts
[13:36] <Myrtti> because, shouldn't the livecd casper or whatever first mount the goddamned thing to even get it to boot?
[13:36] <Myrtti> this fails my logic
[13:37] <ompaul> Myrtti, thanks it was failing two other peoples but just in case something new and wonderful was happening
[13:37] <ompaul> and it ain
[13:37] <ompaul> aint
[13:42] <ompaul> Channel:  	 ubuntu-classroom   irseek allowed?
[13:44] <PriceChild> the dec decision says its ok to log channels on irclogs. and owned by irccouncil, as well as others with owner's permission. I'm not sure whether the cc decision said it was ok for all irclogs. channels.
[13:51]  * PriceChild moves on
[13:59] <ompaul> that was what we call a failure :-(
[13:59] <ompaul> the whole wm stopped working
[14:01] <PriceChild> Oh its already all been discussed here.
[14:01]  * PriceChild sighs
[14:02] <ompaul> PriceChild, ?
[14:03] <PriceChild> the whole irseek thing
[14:03] <jussi01> PriceChild: yep
[14:04] <ompaul> ahh
[14:05] <ompaul> btw they are parsing what we do here 
[14:09] <ompaul> nin[j]a is ban forwarded to here - reason quit message - comments in usual place 
[14:12] <ompaul> Myrtti, I take it you saw my pm 
[14:13] <ompaul> PriceChild, ahh I see your comment now , the machine froze I didn't see it in previous session 
[14:13] <PriceChild> I don't like making myself a fool.
[14:14] <ompaul> PriceChild, I had no idea it was agreed  to or not agreed to 
[14:14] <LjL> have you noticed the tags added to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat ?
[14:15] <ompaul> LjL, no
[14:15] <ompaul> heh
[14:15] <Myrtti> ompaul: yes
[14:15] <ompaul> they want it to be "real documentation"
[14:15] <LjL> well
[14:15] <LjL> however... that page's not supposed to be internal to the irc teams
[14:15] <LjL> it's supposed to be for end users of irc
[14:16] <LjL> although it probably does get a bit astray at times
[14:18] <ompaul> LjL, ergo my "heh"
[14:19]  * jussi01 hugs PriceChild
[14:31] <jrib> ompaul: atlef is copying to /dev/sdi2  it might actually screw stuff up
[14:31] <ompaul> sdi2
[14:32] <ompaul> right I better relax
[14:37] <LjL> jrib: not might, definitely does, he was using sudo for it
[14:38] <LjL> i did say "cp source destination" which could probably be a bit ambiguous if you're only seen /dev/ as a name for your drive for some reason
[14:38] <LjL> and i didn't say sudo either
[14:38] <LjL> but i guess i've learned something new
[14:50] <Myrtti> hello leoquant 
[14:50] <Myrtti> how may we help you?
[14:51] <leoquant> i have no qustions at all Myrtti
[14:52] <Myrtti> was there a specific reason you joined here, then, if you don't mind me being curious?
[14:54] <leoquant> Myrtti i am an -op for more than 3 months. 
[14:55] <leoquant> there is a lot of experience here 
[14:55] <leoquant> so.....
[14:56] <leoquant> if i have a question this seems the right spot te me
[14:57] <leoquant> te==>to
[14:57] <LjL> leoquant, well, the right place for loco channel ops is #ubuntu-irc, to tell the truth
[14:57] <LjL> this is supposed to be the irc team's channel...
[14:57] <elky> leoquant, we actually have two operator channels. this one is just for the main channels, so we dont have too many people here which can be confronting for the banned people who want to have a fit
[14:59] <leoquant> ah. i am not an -op in the main ubuntu channels
[15:00] <leoquant> better to say bye than......
[15:00] <leoquant> ツ
[15:09] <LjL> why don't we have *any* vmware package anymore anyway... assuming that's the case
[15:27] <DLange> fyi, from #freenode:
[15:27] <DLange> 16:18 <tuxxy__> hello, I have an unofficial 64-bit linux user group registered on freenode as #ubuntu-64-bit is this allowed or would i need to rename it ##ubuntu-64-bit
[15:28] <DLange> 16:20 <+DLange> tuxxy__: you need to rename it, the #ubuntu-* namespace is reserved for use by Ubuntu and official subproject / groups etc.
[15:28] <DLange> 16:20 <glade88> DLange: could there be a redirect from #ubuntu-64-bit to ##ubuntu-64-bit?
[15:28] <DLange> 16:21 <tavi> well a lot of them ar like this Maniadriveis a free clone of Trackmania
[15:28] <DLange> 16:22 <+DLange> glade88: as he has the #channel currently, he can set that up. It's the Ubuntu IRC councils decision what happens in the #ubuntu namespace,
[15:28] <DLange> 16:23 <glade88> shall we ask on #ubuntu-irc ?
[15:28] <DLange> 16:24 <tuxxy__> is there any possibility I would be able to use the current channel
[15:28] <DLange> 16:25 <+DLange> ask the Ubuntu IRC council, I doubt it, but asking is always an option
[15:28] <DLange> tuxxy__ has joined #ubuntu-irc now
[15:29] <LjL> thank you
[15:30] <Myrtti> I'm a bit confused why it needs to be forwarded
[15:30] <Myrtti> oh, right
[15:30] <Myrtti> right.
[15:31] <Myrtti> nevermind
[15:31] <LjL> i'm checking...
[15:31] <LjL> they have a team on lp
[15:31] <Myrtti> I'm on it I think
[15:31] <LjL> i don't like the idea of a support channel, though
[15:32] <Myrtti> netiher do I
[15:41] <LjL> warning warning warning :<
[15:41] <LjL> bells ringing alarms sounding
[15:42] <ikonia> it's a pointless channel
[15:42] <Myrtti> should I join?
[15:42] <Myrtti> I dunt wanna
[15:43] <LjL> ikonia: there are many pointless things we don't hinder in the # namespace... on the other hand, there are some *harmful* things too, hence the bells
[15:43] <LjL> i haven't joined
[15:43] <Myrtti> I mean, -irc
[15:43] <Myrtti> I'm getting reflux again...
[15:43] <Myrtti> oh BOY!
[15:44] <LjL> Myrtti: i can give you logs though
[15:44] <LjL> (and yes you should join since you've asked)
[15:44] <ikonia> LjL: yes, there are many pointless channels, hence why another one seems......sad
[15:49] <LjL> it appears that i don't have a clue what (if any) the process for approving a non-LoCo team is
[15:51] <Myrtti> ask jono?
[15:51] <Myrtti> *shrug*
[15:51]  * LjL has never talked to the higher spheres :P
[15:52] <LjL> well except the cc
[15:54] <Myrtti> LjL: he listens to Metallica. Normal guy. a bit crazy, and cute as a baby bunny, but a normal guy.
[15:54]  * Myrtti hides
[15:55] <LjL> Myrtti: cute as a piece of bacon? :P
[15:55]  * LjL hides too
[15:56]  * Myrtti chuckles
[15:56] <Myrtti> sweet as a cheesecake *COUGH*
[15:57] <jussi01> LjL: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto
[15:58] <Myrtti> jussi01: here's a fresh pair of eyes for ya, buddy
[15:58] <jussi01> Myrtti: huh?
[15:58] <Myrtti> [17:49] <+LjL> it appears that i don't have a clue what (if any) the process for approving a  *non-LoCo* team is
[15:58] <Myrtti> emphasis mine
[15:58] <jussi01> oh rofl...
[15:59] <jussi01> ooops
[15:59] <LjL> heh
[16:00] <LjL> wait the jono who's online isn't jono, is he
[16:00] <Myrtti> no
[16:00] <Myrtti> [10:31] ~~~jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)]
[16:00] <LjL> perhaps he'd better set guard on the nick
[16:00] <Myrtti> yes, he should
[16:01] <Myrtti> I is not happy.
[16:02] <Myrtti> Reflux sux
[16:02] <LjL> the name sounds awful too
[16:05]  * Myrtti goes to draw a bath
[16:58] <LjL> ompaul: know why you banned makro*!*@*?
[16:58] <LjL> the bantracker must have missed it
[16:59] <ompaul> LjL, let me find
[16:59] <LjL> and my logs too
[17:01] <ompaul> where LjL I can't find it
[17:02] <LjL> ompaul: well, the ban is active in #ubuntu, server says it was set on 30 june
[17:02] <ompaul> hmm
[17:02] <ompaul> let me look
[17:04] <ompaul> Anon9189 (n=Makro@gw2.ltnet.cz) has left #ubuntu (requested by ompaul: "abuse like that gets banned like this")
[17:04] <ompaul>  <Anon9189>      omg... you are fucking gays xD 
[17:04] <ompaul> in reverse order
[17:05] <ompaul>  ompaul sets ban on makro*!*@*
[17:05] <ompaul> yeap it was me
[17:05] <ompaul> :-)
[17:05] <LjL> uhm, but you banned the nick and not the ident...
[17:06] <LjL> but makro was the ident there
[17:06] <LjL> now i have a guy from another isp, might be someone else
[17:06] <ompaul> by any chance is he on .cz?
[17:07] <ompaul> let him in btw
[17:07] <LjL> no, he's .cl
[17:07] <LjL> he's in #ubuntustudio, i caught the word "banned"
[17:07] <ompaul> I removed it
[17:07] <ompaul> I missed it I must go back over my bans 
[17:08] <LjL> shall i ask him in anyway?
[17:08] <ompaul> send him an invite
[17:08] <ompaul> and tell him the ban is removed
[17:08] <ompaul> ohh I thought you meant into #u
[17:09] <LjL> no i meant here
[17:09]  * ompaul executes the command: LjL --vvvv
[17:09] <LjL> Makro1: the ban has been removed, we believe it was indeed intended for someone else
[17:10] <Makro1> LjL: okay thanks :)
[17:10] <LjL> Makro1: just in case, though, i'll ask you to check out these in the bot
[17:10] <LjL> !etiquette
[17:10] <LjL> !guidelines
[17:10] <ompaul> Makro1, you can do that with a /msg ubottu KeyWord
[17:11] <Makro1> ompaul: thanks for the tips :)
[17:11] <LjL> Makro1: sorry for the trouble
[17:11] <Makro1> LjL: no problem, you're handy ;)
[17:12] <ompaul> Makro1, cheers - I was the one that set the ban pity people are not forced to use their real life idents then we would not get it mixed up, wrong maybe, not mixed up :)
[17:12] <LjL> we're usually also quicker to find out what bans are about, but this time our machinery for that failed ;)
[17:12] <jrib> so I'm guessing #ubuntu-buttsex is not an official channel?
[17:13] <ompaul> jrib, funny enough I would agree with you there
[17:13] <LjL> oh jee
[17:13] <jrib> I idled there for about an hour on mibbit and got kicked
[17:13] <ompaul> PriceChild, nalioth ^^ please see jrib
[17:14] <ompaul> stand clear - demolition nearby
[17:14] <LjL> Makro1: so, err, as you can see we've moved on to discuss "interesting" stuff, please leave the channel if you have no further questions
[17:14] <Makro1> LjL: okay,no problem bye bye
[17:19]  * nalioth blinks
[17:22] <LjL> nalioth: now who/what the heck is that user?
[17:22] <nalioth> LjL: what user?
[17:23] <LjL> the one that kicked me, but nevermind i guess, it must be one of the so-called channel ops
[17:23]  * nalioth whistles innocently
[17:23] <LjL> ah.
[17:24] <LjL> nalioth, perhaps have a quick look at JohnD as well, he was saying nonsense in #ubuntu, and someone in #debian claimed it was a "smart" bot, which i have no trouble believing
[17:25]  * nalioth just woke up. Anything else on the agenda?
[17:26] <jdong> why do all the smart bots say nonsense? :)
[17:27] <LjL> nalioth: oh yes, there's a horde of spambots in -unregged, we can't remove +R from #ubuntu, half of the network has been k-lined by mistake, and we have three people reporting op abuse
[17:27] <LjL> nalioth: no, there's nothing else - kidding :P
[17:27] <LjL> jdong: well, they imitate people
[17:27] <nalioth> LjL: looks like we missed one - OH HAI jdong!
[17:27] <jdong> :)
[17:28] <nalioth> jrib: your fave channel just got whacked, btw
[17:28] <jrib> heh
[17:28] <jdong> nalioth: sorry I don't know anything about !
[17:31] <nalioth> and yes, johnd was a bot
[17:44] <jrib> !hi
[17:45] <Myrtti> men...
[18:24] <ompaul> !sound
[18:24] <ompaul> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/guide-to-sound-apis.html
[18:25] <ompaul> Pici, should that page be introduced to the line below
[18:25] <Pici> ompaul: I dont think so, that looks like its more for programmers.
[18:26] <ompaul> Pici, ok
[18:34] <Myrtti> whee.
[18:54] <Myrtti> omg.
[18:54] <Myrtti> didn't remember water with lemon was this good.
[19:00] <Myrtti> LALALALA
[19:02]  * Myrtti pokes Pici with The Pink Fluffy Pen of Poking™
[19:02] <Myrtti> *SQUEEEAK*
[19:02] <Myrtti> you folks are BORING
[19:02] <Pici> bawooop
[19:03]  * nalioth likes water with lime ( really big around here, limes )
[19:03] <Myrtti> actually
[19:03] <Myrtti> those were limes
[19:03] <Myrtti> this time
[19:10]  * Pici puts the lime in the coconut and shakes it all around
[21:09]  * ompaul considers a charter for -ot which includes you must give 10 hours of good help per month to #u to maintain your access ;-) 
[21:09] <ompaul> this would be interesting
[21:09] <ompaul> and maybe too scary
[21:11] <jdong> ompaul: haha one of the forums I belong to does a similar thing
[21:11] <jdong> where you have to maintain a certain reputation and activity level to access the lounge
[21:11] <jdong> there's times I want to do that for ubuntuforums too but I would be lynched for it...
[21:12] <ompaul> jdong, then it must be a bad idea ;-)
[21:22] <jrib> poor ubottu
[21:22] <PriceChild> Hey slamFIST, how can I help?
[21:26] <ompaul> !otherdisto is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can
[21:26] <ompaul> @btlogin
[21:26] <ompaul> @login
[21:26] <ompaul> @btlogin
[21:27] <ompaul> @btlogin
[21:28] <ompaul> !otherdisto is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can
[21:28] <jrib> ompaul: s/disto/distro
[21:28] <ompaul> woops
[21:28] <ompaul> it aint reacting to me anyways :)
[21:28] <ompaul> !otherdistro is <reply> we really don't do help for your distro, perhaps if you put a # in front of the distro name you might find yourself in their channels where they would be able to welcome you and help more than we can
[21:29] <jrib> see, it knew it wasn't what you wanted before
[21:29] <jrib> !otherdisto
[21:29] <ompaul> jrib, see it ubottu is not rubbish, is clever!
[21:29] <ompaul> !otherdistro
[21:30] <ompaul> jrib, first person to go on about windows gets that in -ot :)
[21:30] <ompaul> hehe
[21:50] <Pici> ...
[21:51] <ikonia> first thing that came to mind.....yeah right
[21:52] <znh> Hello :)
[21:52] <ikonia> hello
[21:52] <ikonia> what's the problem/issue ?
[21:53] <znh> an IP that is owned by me has been banned. I'd like to have this IP cleared
[21:53] <znh> I had a AI running on that IP which was unfortanetly badly configured so it said things while it shouldn't
[21:53] <jrib> what ip?
[21:53] <Pici> In #ubuntu?
[21:53] <znh> in #ubuntu yes
[21:54] <znh> cer78-1-88-174-57-17.fbx.proxad.net / 88.174.57.17
[21:55] <tritium> znh: you should not be running bots in #ubuntu, anyway.
[21:55] <jussi01> What was an AI doing in #ubuntu?
[21:55] <znh> learning.
[21:55] <ikonia> ahh I remember this
[21:55] <ikonia> you asked if you could put the bot in 
[21:55] <ikonia> as I recall
[21:55] <ikonia> as you wanted it to "learn"
[21:55] <znh> I havn't asked you :/
[21:56] <ikonia> znh: what was the nick the bot was using?
[21:56] <znh> JohnD
[21:56] <jussi01> Bots require permission to be in the ubuntu channels
[21:56] <LjL> JohnD was on *this* IP?
[21:56] <znh> the IP i gave, yes
[21:56] <LjL> ah, no, not the one you're on now
[21:56] <LjL> right
[21:57] <LjL> znh: well why didn't you come in here with that IP?
[21:57] <znh> which IP, the JohnD one or this one
[21:57] <LjL> znh: the JohnD one, you don't have to change your IP to join this channel
[21:58] <znh> I know, but this is the computer I have nearby at the moment
[21:58] <LjL> znh, JohnD didn't only disrupt #ubuntu, but several other channels too.
[21:59] <LjL> i honestly don't know what to say, you're lucky if that ip can still join the network to begin with
[21:59] <znh> I know, as I said it was badly configured. It said 5 lines once I noticed and put it down inmediatly. now please stop that tone. It's Sunday after all
[22:00] <LjL> znh, i'll give you a suggestion
[22:00] <LjL> the logs of #ubuntu and other Ubuntu channels are available publicly
[22:00] <LjL> !logs
[22:00] <tritium> znh: nobody is taking a tone but you
[22:00] <LjL> it would probably be a much safer way to train your Markov bots on logs
[22:00] <LjL> they're also extensive, very
[22:00] <LjL> they reach back into 2004
[22:01] <LjL> though make no mistake, no matter how much channel activity you feed a Markov chain, you won't fool real people for very long with it - but i suppose that's not your goal anyway
[22:02] <znh> that's a helpful suggestion :)
[22:02] <znh> tritium, that's a funny twist
[22:03] <tritium> znh: There's no twist, and it's not funny.
[22:03] <LjL> znh, well i didn't find it funny, anyway you're perhaps not taking any tone, but neither am i, for sure. i'm taking the tone that's appropriate to convey the message that i'm talking about something seriously.
[22:05] <znh> still I don't like the way all this happened
[22:06] <znh> but on this 'free' network I can't except any commercial tones :)
[22:07] <LjL> and i still don't think there was anything wrong with my tone
[22:07] <tritium> znh: what?  s/except/accept, perhaps?  Your sentence makes no sense.
[22:07] <Pici> !guidelines
[22:08] <LjL> tritium: expect?
[22:08] <tritium> LjL: could be
[22:10] <znh> expect, this twisting twists controls too heh
[22:11] <Pici> znh: We take our channel policies seriously.  I'm not sure what you're getting at here.
[22:11] <znh> just saying that I feel like being made a bad guy while I try hard not to
[22:12] <LjL> znh, see
[22:12] <LjL> the thing is...
[22:12] <LjL> this is not the first Markov bot we see. far from it.
[22:12] <LjL> the previous N were probably malicious
[22:13] <LjL> unless N people, with N being pretty big, were all mistakenly making their bots learn in several channels
[22:13] <LjL> so we *are* suspicious
[22:13] <LjL> and since the policies say "no bot" anyway
[22:13] <LjL> no bots*
[22:13] <LjL> when not only there is a bot, but it says nonsense in several channels too... that can't be taken but seriously
[22:14] <znh> I hear you there. but do understand that people might not know that
[22:33] <LjL> !test
[22:34] <LjL> it works in PM...
[22:34] <bazhang> sorry I dont know anything about test
[22:34] <bazhang> :)
[22:34] <LjL> bazhang: and you shouldn't, but the bot should! :P
[22:35] <bazhang> LjL, hi!
[22:35] <bazhang> super-typhoon here; second in three weeks :(
[22:36] <bazhang> ubottu lag
[22:36] <stdin> !ping
[22:40] <LjL> !test
[22:40] <LjL> thanks
[22:47] <LjL> pfff ok ribeiro, you keep answering, i go smoke a cig, enough with the echo :P
[23:19] <jrib> hrmm
[23:34] <LjL> jrib i was just kidding eh
[23:35] <LjL> it's just it's funny when we keep hitting entering at exactly the same time a couple times in a row
[23:36] <jrib> yeah :)
[23:37] <jrib> "please use #ubuntu instead of private messaging me"; "ok" "I know" "But how do I...?"...
[23:37] <LjL> jrib: you can verbally abuse me if you need an outlet
[23:38] <Pici> Only he can?
[23:39] <jrib> wasn't the factoid for installing things without an internet connection !offline ?
[23:40] <LjL> stdin, bot apparently broken again
[23:40] <LjL> jrib: yes but the bot has gone drunk
[23:40] <stdin> !test
[23:40] <stdin> ugg
[23:40] <jrib> well that explains it
[23:41] <LjL> ljlhead:/home/bots/.muh# tail -500000 \#ubuntu.log | grep "<jrib>" | wc -l
[23:41] <LjL> 2750
[23:41] <LjL> ljlhead:/home/bots/.muh# tail -500000 \#ubuntu.log | grep "<Pici>" | wc -l
[23:41] <LjL> 821
[23:41] <LjL> Pici: yes, he's still the one entitled to it :P
[23:42] <jrib> woah
[23:42] <Pici> fine
[23:42] <Seeker`> !test
[23:42] <jrib> I need to just minimize my weechat window
[23:42] <bobertdos> Okay, that looks better
[23:43] <jrib> it just needed Seeker`'s gentle touch
[23:43] <stdin> !test
[23:44] <stdin> the ruddy thing is fixed again (and by "fixed" I really mean "less broken than before")
[23:45] <Seeker`> \o/
[23:45] <bobertdos> :D
[23:45] <Seeker`> stdin: wrt ubottu, I think that is the best you can hope for
[23:45] <Seeker`> eurgh, laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag
[23:46] <stdin> I'm not surprised seveas abandoned supybot, it's mind-melting
[23:48] <bobertdos> stdin: You spoke too soon.
[23:48] <bobertdos> !test
[23:49] <bobertdos> gah
[23:49] <stdin> I hope that's just lag
[23:49] <bobertdos> What is up with this thing. One second dead, another second alive.......
[23:49] <stdin> I got a bigger hammer
[23:49] <bobertdos> yayz