[00:52] <deliicq> my taskbar disappeared. how can i take it back?
[00:57] <homebrewcider> can't get my new monitor working through DVI, I'm guessing I have to edit xorg to include DVI, am I right?
[00:58] <deliicq> yes homebrewcider, you can also use grandr or xrandr to identify it
[00:58] <deliicq> grandr can configure it also
[00:58] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: tried alt+f2 and running: xfce4-panel ?
[00:59] <deliicq> hmm it worked... but how it disappeared?
[00:59] <deliicq> god :(
[00:59] <deliicq> thanks Odd-rationale!
[01:00] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: probably xfce4-panel crashed or something... restarting got it back...
[01:00] <deliicq> i tried rebooting but nothing happened
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: then maybe your session got messed up....
[01:01] <deliicq> yeap, i think so
[01:01] <deliicq> well, by the way, i have compiz installed, but i cant find the option on "applicantions" to configure it
[01:02] <homebrewcider> hmm, okay , got grandr identifying it, but I can configure it using this as well?
[01:02] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: did you install compizconfig-settings-manager?
[01:03] <deliicq> i could bet my life that it came together with compiz default install
[01:04] <deliicq> =P
[01:05] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: check synaptics for compizconfig-settings-manager
[01:06] <deliicq> yes, i checked it and wasnt installed
[01:06] <deliicq> problem solved
[01:06] <deliicq> oh dear, my desktop crashed -_-
[01:06] <deliicq> cant see any icon
[01:07] <homebrewcider> can't see how i can configure this through grandr
[01:08] <deliicq> brb
[01:18] <deliicq> Odd-rationale: i rebooted it
[01:18] <deliicq> my panels dont come by default
[01:19] <deliicq> and avant-window-navigator opened 10 times
[01:19] <deliicq> :(
[01:24] <homebrewcider> how do i configure through grandr please?
[01:35] <deliicq> homebrewcider: it doesnt show your new display?
[01:40] <homebrewcider> it show the display, I'm using it now but through vga, it doesn't work through dvi, that's my problem
[01:41] <homebrewcider> doesn't seem to be any config options
[01:46] <deliicq> Odd-rationale: can you help me with this issue?
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: yeah, i got to take a shower first though...
[01:53] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: but, doyou have session saving turned on when you log off?
[01:54] <deliicq> nope... i turned off this option
[01:54] <deliicq> so its a new session always i log in
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: try deleting your ~/.cache folder
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: then try renaming your ~/.config/xfce4 to ~/.config/xfce4.bak
[01:57] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: then log out and back in...
[01:59] <deliicq> renaming the folder, right?
[01:59] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: yeah...
[01:59] <deliicq> ok... lets logout
[02:01] <deliicq> ok...
[02:02] <Odd-rationale> deliicq: how it goes?
[02:02] <deliicq> i think its ok now, i'll make some more tests... i have disabled the avant on auto-start
[02:03] <deliicq> i'll try turning it on now
[02:03] <deliicq> to see if it bugs
[02:03] <Odd-rationale> k, i;ll go take my shower...
[02:03] <Odd-rationale> :P
[02:03] <deliicq> yeah go for it :P
[02:03] <deliicq> sorry for disturbing ya
[02:16] <deliicq> Odd-rationale: i was going to create an launcher on desktop and it crashed. the desktop crashed. i cant see nothing there...
[03:03] <bassboi> :D
[03:30] <Coldhak> i play an older game, and it sets my resolution to 600x800. if said game crashes, or I alt-tab, my res doesn't go back to 1600x1200 like it should. is there a way to make a desktop shortcut to change the resolution?
[03:31] <Coldhak> it's rather drawn out to have to go through the settings panel every time.
[04:06] <pod_> Coldhak: Does Ctrl-Alt-Numpad+ not cycle resolutions?
[04:08] <Coldhak> doesn't appear to
[04:16] <Totale> ﻿I'm not sure if I want to use "Migrate Documents and Settings", I need a link or a description of what exactly gets moved.
[04:19] <Coldhak> i've never used it, but this seems to outline the process http://www.michaellarabel.com/?k=blog&i=116
[04:19] <Totale> ty
[04:19] <Totale> lol, seems only my background will be copied
[04:21] <Totale> thx again, cya
[05:56] <Secto1> How can I install ubuntu and skip over bad sectors of the hard disk
[05:58] <flyback> ok
[05:58]  * flyback is really tired of explaining this
[05:58] <flyback> no offense
[05:58] <flyback> *ALL* modern ide, sata, scsi, etc hd's
[05:59] <flyback> when writing to a sector since you destroy the old contents anyways
[05:59] <flyback> if they hit a error, they take the address of that sector say 329782742398423879
[05:59] <flyback> and they rip it off
[05:59] <flyback> that sector is shitlisted not to use
[05:59] <flyback> and a hidden spare is given the old address
[05:59] <flyback> so any os, etc still thinks it's the same sector
[05:59] <flyback> therefore *NO* os should be able to see any bad spots
[05:59] <flyback> if it sees any it means
[06:00] <flyback> a) the hard drive is damaged, dying or has so many errors it has run out of spares
[06:00] <flyback> in which case it's time to pitch
[06:00] <Secto1> ah
[06:00] <Secto1> interesting
[06:01] <flyback> b) an error developed on read, in which case writing to all the sectors of the disk (psuedo low level format, since true is not possible) will give the disk the excuse to get rid of any bads that went bad on read
[06:01] <flyback> it won't recallocate on read cause that is risky
[06:01] <flyback> actually some newer ones do
[06:01] <Secto1> you may have just saved me a lot of trouble lol, thanks so much
[06:01] <flyback> c) in some rare cases a power fail or crash can make the disk think a sector is made in which case the b) solution might also fix
[06:01] <flyback> no problem I wish I had better news
[06:01] <flyback> check the smart logs
[06:01] <flyback> for reallocated sector # in raw
[06:02] <flyback> for pending reallocations = hey I know some sectors smell like shit but waiting for a write
[06:02] <flyback> and for any unc errors = uncorrectable
[06:02] <Secto1> the disk is blank atm, i installed ubuntu onto it and it seemed to go fine
[06:02] <Secto1> but on reboot it couldn't mount the root fs
[06:02] <Secto1> lol
[06:02] <flyback> how was it blanked
[06:02] <flyback> you just delete the partitions? or did you use something like dban
[06:03] <Secto1> i deleted the partitions after that failure
[06:03] <flyback> yeah that won't help
[06:03] <flyback> you need to overwrite the whole disk
[06:03] <flyback> the disk maker's utils should have a erase disk/low level format option to do this
[06:03] <flyback> it can also asssess the helath of the disk
[06:03] <flyback> I mean I have seen and myself in the past have partitioned around a group of bad sectors and got away with it
[06:03] <Secto1> i see, any linux tools in specific that you recommend?
[06:03] <flyback> but it's basically a bald tire
[06:04] <flyback> no other than smartctl to check the smart logs
[06:04] <Secto1> good reference ^_^
[06:04] <flyback> for a generic disk erasing program both for security and also I find it's a good way to shake up a disk
[06:04] <flyback> is dban
[06:04] <flyback> *WARNING*
[06:04] <Secto1> warning?
[06:04] <flyback> dban will hapilly nuke all disks in the box including possible usb disks
[06:04] <flyback> I found this out the hard way at work
[06:05] <Secto1> shwha?
[06:05] <flyback> it started erasing the disk and the backup
[06:05] <flyback> on usb disk
[06:05] <Secto1> and if i only want it to delete 1 harddrive?
[06:05] <Secto1> or rather, erase
[06:05] <flyback> you can start dban in interactive mode and just select that one
[06:05] <flyback> or unsure just temp unplug the disk you don't want erased
[06:06] <Secto1> lol
[06:06] <flyback> for good generic disk diag programs
[06:06] <Secto1> ok
[06:06] <flyback> if you have a disk maker who sucks canucks
[06:06] <flyback> mhdd
[06:06] <flyback> hdat2
[06:06] <flyback> feel free to hang in #hardware if you need any more help I should be back around tomarrow
[06:06] <flyback> i'm about to dban my laptop before I reload the os
[06:07] <Secto1> ok
[06:07] <Secto1> thx again, very much
[06:07] <flyback> np :)
[06:08] <flyback> what brand disk
[06:08] <Secto1> maxtor
[06:08] <Secto1> 250GB
[06:08] <Secto1> SATA
[06:09] <flyback> ick
[06:09] <flyback> not as bad as WD
[06:09] <flyback> but still ick
[06:09] <flyback> actually since seagate bought them, they seemed to have cleaned them up a bit
[06:13] <Secto1> i have a seagate too
[06:13] <Secto1> it's new
[06:13] <Secto1> the maxtor is several years old
[06:14] <Secto1> what is life expectancy of a hard disk that is used daily?
[06:15] <flyback> how old is the maxtor
[06:15] <flyback> more than 3 yrs?
[06:15] <flyback> I had one last 5 hrs
[06:16] <flyback> a few yrs is the average lifespan if that
[06:16] <flyback> seagate have a 5 yr warrenty though :)
[06:16] <Secto1> wish they lasted longer than that
[06:16] <Secto1> i have an old IDE 20GB harddrive that is FAR older than the maxtor and has lived through it all
[06:17] <Secto1> never a problem with it
[06:18] <flyback> what brand was it
[06:19] <Secto1> it's in an active computer atm
[06:19] <flyback> I got a pile of 52 old hd's I have to go thru extract data from
[06:19] <Secto1> O_O
[06:19] <flyback> and another to add to the list, a wd 40 gig that just went bad and still had data on it
[06:19] <flyback> I am building a dedicated box that just spends weeks sending resets to a dying disk and reads off little by little
[06:20] <flyback> unless the disk has suffered a total loss of a head etc
[06:20] <flyback> i've also learned some tricks for head and board transplants
[06:20] <Secto1> I would like HDDs to last 10 years
[06:20] <flyback> will get the disk running just long enough to pull the data off
[06:20] <Secto1> that would be acceptable
[06:20] <Secto1> lol
[06:20] <flyback> dream on
[06:20] <Secto1> moving disks annoys me
[06:20] <flyback> mabye solid state ones will although I dunno how since flash cells have around 10,000-100,000 write cycles
[06:21] <flyback> although in almost every flash format except raw nor and raw nand and the formats XD and smartmedia
[06:21] <flyback> there is a controller chip inside that randomizes the writes while appearing to the os to always be the same sector
[06:21] <flyback> so they wear down evenly
[06:21] <Secto1> sweet
[06:22] <Secto1> my 1GB usb stick has outlasted the plastic case, got it in '03 or '04
[06:23] <Secto1> it's held together with duct tape
[06:23] <flyback> what brand
[06:23] <Secto1> and works great
[06:23] <Secto1> i'll check
[06:26] <Secto1> sony
[06:27] <flyback> I think sony's stuff has been ok over the yrs
[06:27] <flyback> my favorite is sandisk
[06:27] <flyback> but I also like kingston
[06:27] <flyback> and memorex
[06:27] <Secto1> ever had a SimpleTech usb harddrive?
[06:28] <flyback> no
[06:28] <flyback> but I had one of their flash drives
[06:29] <flyback> that failed after a few hundred writes
[06:29] <flyback> opened them up
[06:29] <Secto1> mine broke in about a week
[06:29] <flyback> had flash chips in it that were tested only for a few hundred writes at best for things like your bios
[06:29] <flyback> or a router firmware
[06:29] <flyback> since those only see a few hundred writes in it's lifetime
[06:29] <flyback> but as a usb flash disk they will burn out quickly
[06:30] <flyback> bunch of crooked flash makers out there
[06:30] <Secto1> I was mad when i opened up the SimpleTech usb drive, it was just a WD laptop harddrive with an adapter on it
[06:30] <flyback> that's normal
[06:30] <flyback> they are all like that
[06:31] <Secto1> my best friend got his 80GB usb harddrive a month before i did
[06:31] <Secto1> his had a metal casing and was very durable
[06:31] <Secto1> mine got owned
[06:31] <flyback> you should not have opened the external hd if it was under warrenty
[06:32] <Secto1> wasn't worried about it, i put a new laptop harddrive in the adapter and used it anyway
[06:32] <Secto1> lol
[06:33] <Secto1> the part that bothered me the most was seeing the actual price of the drive they put in
[06:33] <Secto1> it was half the price of the usb drive itself
[06:33] <Secto1> so they put an adapter and a plastic case on, then double the price
[06:33] <Secto1> --_--
[06:33] <flyback> heh
[06:33] <flyback> yeah tbe bridge chips aren't expensive
[06:33] <flyback> neither is the smps power adaptor
[06:35] <Secto1> i'll be back
[07:36] <jiki> hi how do i switch between command line and xfce? and how can i make it so that login is terminal based and it logs into a terminal then i haveto type startxfce or something?
[07:45] <Odd-rationale> jiki: to switch to the command line try ctrl+alt+f1 - f6
[10:59] <_i_love> is it possible to convert a dmg file to a deb file or something like that so i can use it for my printer which doesn't have any linux support for
[11:03] <TheSheep> _i_love: no, it's not possible to use software written for MacOS on Linux
[11:04] <_i_love> i need to find a good ppd file then
[11:05] <_i_love> i need to install my printer i tried the work around for it but it doesn't work so i was going to try to modify a mac ppd file
[11:36] <Sa[i]nT> How do you change the background picture in xfce?
[11:37] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: settings->setting manager->desktop
[11:38] <Sa[i]nT> My settings manager panel. Does'nt have desktop on it.
[11:38] <TheSheep> then it's not normal xubuntu installation
[11:39] <TheSheep> is it?
[11:39] <Sa[i]nT> It's xfce, on ubuntu.
[11:40] <TheSheep> Sa[i]nT: maybe you forgot to install some of iportant components, like xfdesktop4 or mcs-setting-plugins
[11:40] <TheSheep> importnat
[11:43] <Sa[i]nT> TheSheep: Looking for anything I may have missed.
[11:48] <iTHINK> Hello I am new Xubuntu user
[11:48] <iTHINK> I loved Xubuntu...... :)
[11:49] <knome> good to hear
[11:49] <iTHINK> But I'm unable to install Internet drivers and so I need help
[11:49] <iTHINK> :)
[11:51] <nnull> i want to setup file sharing/vnc etc and tunnel it all via ssh but its confusing :s
[11:51] <nnull> i need to install openssh on the Serverbox first right?
[11:53] <iTHINK> ?
[11:53] <TheSheep> !vnc | nnull
[11:53] <TheSheep> iTHINK: how do you access internet?
[11:53] <iTHINK> ADSL 2+ router/modem
[11:54] <iTHINK> It's broadband.....
[11:54] <iTHINK> Right now I'm on XP (multiboot system) and accessing internet from there
[11:54] <nnull> yea thx sheep, must of followed that guide 5 times now, and i always trail off :x
[11:55] <TheSheep> !adsl | iTHINK
[11:55] <TheSheep> iTHINK: have you tried that?
[11:57] <iTHINK> wait a minute.....seeing to link you provided
[11:58] <iTHINK> Nope......never tried as in the link......
[11:58] <iTHINK> And I will try it now....
[11:58] <TheSheep> good luck
[11:58] <iTHINK> Thanks TheSheep........I will be back if I face problems
[12:12] <iTHINK> bye
[13:16] <iTHINK> @TheSheep-Thanks for help (approx half an hour ago)..... Now I can access internet without any problems (I am connected to IRC from Xubuntu now).....thanks.....
[13:17] <TheSheep> iTHINK: glad to hear that
[13:17] <iTHINK> :)
[13:17] <iTHINK> Its nice that you remember me
[13:18] <TheSheep> iTHINK: tbh nobody else said anything here in the mean time :)
[13:19] <iTHINK> Ok :)
[13:19] <iTHINK> ;)
[13:20] <iTHINK> I had been using Red hat linux 9 for a while but now I have switched to ubuntu.
[13:20] <iTHINK> Is there any IRC channel for Plan 9?
[13:53] <JannoTT> Any bash kings here?
[13:54] <favro> I think all the bash kings hang out in #bash
[13:54] <knome> what about queens?
[13:55] <Myrtti> I was just about to cough, thanks knome
[13:55] <knome> np Myrtti
[13:55] <knome> i like queens
[13:55] <knome> ;)
[13:55] <Myrtti> I'm a pink fairy princess, but lets not get into that
[13:55] <knome> i like pink fairy princesses as well
[13:56] <favro> maybe join #camp...
[13:56] <knome> kings usually live in #castle s
[13:56] <JannoTT> lol
[14:48] <adi1> hi all
[14:49] <knome> hello
[14:49] <adi1> what to do to associate the mutimedia keys with xubuntu xfce
[14:49] <adi1> I mean play/pause next previous
[14:49] <adi1> on a dell 6400 laptop
[14:49] <adi1> I tried with keytouch
[14:50] <adi1> but could work only for volume up down and mute buttons
[14:50] <adi1> anyone can help?
[14:51] <vidd> volume up/down and mute auto-work when the volume panel app is on....
[14:51] <knome> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=27039
[14:51] <adi1> now in my laptop they dont work eather
[14:52] <vidd> do you have the volume panel app on your panel?
[14:52] <adi1> 1 sek im going to put it
[14:53] <adi1> now I have it but the volume dont work
[14:53] <adi1> sory it works :(
[14:53] <adi1> :):):):)
[14:53] <adi1> no prob with volume
[14:53] <adi1> now for the next previous plya/pause?
[14:55] <vidd> did you look at the link posted by knome ?
[14:55] <adi1> the link you gave me needs some time to read and understand
[14:55] <adi1> im gonna doi it
[14:55] <adi1> but if you have some short way to make it work
[14:55] <vidd> if ya have issues, ask =]
[14:55] <adi1> after the reading :)
[14:56] <adi1> ok thanks :)
[14:56] <vidd> i dont waste my money on those types of keyboards
[14:56] <vidd> i already know the built-in shortcut keys for the apps i use
[14:56] <adi1> thats rithgt
[14:56] <adi1> how to find the short keys for anything?
[14:57] <vidd> ummm...read the info for the app
[14:58] <vidd> for example....any media player in linux (ive found no exceptions), left arrow rewinds, right arrow skips forward, space pauses/unpauses
[14:58] <vidd> up arrow fast-forwards, down arrow slows playback
[14:59] <vidd> [alt]+[f4] closes app....
[14:59] <vidd> what more do i need?
[15:00] <TheSheep> usually apps have help...
[15:01] <TheSheep> you can also enable 'editable menu accelerators' in user interface settings, then highlighting a menu option with mouse and pressing a key combination assigns it to that option
[15:01] <adi1>  ok thank guys :)
[15:02] <adi1> im gonna do my home work now with that link
[15:02] <adi1> later :)
[15:25] <adi1> hi all
[15:26] <adi1> how can I remove that horible  bios beep on xubuntu?
[15:26] <vidd> that is your bios, not your OS
[15:26] <adi1> it hapens every time that you press backspace
[15:26] <adi1> ok mybe it's not the bios beep
[15:26] <adi1> I dont have it in xp
[15:26] <vidd> oh...
[15:27] <adi1> it's something that beeps when the action is not posible
[15:27] <adi1> or something like that
[15:28] <adi1> any help?
[15:28] <vidd> dont try the impossible =]
[15:28] <TheSheep> adi1: with xset
[15:28] <TheSheep> adi1: xset b off
[15:28] <TheSheep> adi1: you can also change it to sound better
[15:28] <adi1> what's this a command?
[15:28] <TheSheep> adi1: just google for xset b
[15:28] <vidd> TheSheep, does that need to be done as root to make it global?
[15:29] <adi1> ok
[15:29] <TheSheep> vidd: no, it has to be added to autostarted applications to stay
[15:29] <vidd> ah....so tty will still do it?
[15:29] <Myrtti> blacklist pcspeaker module
[15:29] <Myrtti> :-D
[15:30] <vidd> i personally thought its a useful feature not found in M$
[15:31] <TheSheep> vidd: no, it's a setting for X, the graphical interface, it won't affect text mode consoles
[15:31] <adi1> ok now it's fine
[15:31] <adi1> no sys beep
[15:31] <adi1> after this command as root
[15:31] <adi1> rmmod pcspkr
[15:39] <Djon> hi
[15:40] <vidd> hello Djon
[15:40] <Djon> may i ask a question ?
[15:40] <vidd> !ask
[15:42] <Djon> okay :) i try to install xubuntu on an old laptop, but after the language selection, I run the install and then I get a weird screen, i think its a refresh rate problem
[15:43] <vidd> live or alt cd?
[15:43] <Djon> alt
[15:43] <vidd> how many display adaptors on your system?
[15:44] <Djon> hmm, only one i think
[15:45] <vidd> there should be a "safe graphics mode" option
[15:48] <Djon> f4 give me "normal" "oem" "command" "ltsp"
[15:48] <Djon> others options let me edit the boot line
[16:00] <vidd> Djon, im looking for the info on installing in safe graphic mode
[16:01] <vuKo> hi how do i modify keyboard shortcuts, i pressed f1+alt before to get xfce menu and got about 20 firefox's...
[16:01] <vuKo> vidd: get the alternate iso
[16:01] <vidd> vuKo, he has the alt cd
[16:02] <vuKo> there are F# options i think its f4 or f6 to select it
[16:02] <vidd> Djon, how much ram your machine have?
[16:02] <Djon> 128 total
[16:03] <Djon> I set 16 for graffics, bit it doesnt work with 32
[16:04] <vidd> Djon, [f4] should be safe grafix mode
[16:05] <vuKo> hi how do i modify keyboard shortcut please
[16:05] <vidd> _0/ cody-somerville
[16:05] <cody-somerville> hi
[16:06] <Djon> 1-normal 2-oem 3-command line 4-ltsp
[16:06] <vidd> not 1, 2, 3, 4.....
[16:06] <Djon> command line has the same problem
[16:06] <vidd> [f4]
[16:06] <Djon> 1234 is the options i get when i press F4
[16:06] <vidd> hrm....
[16:08] <vuKo> please guys... how do i edit my keyboard shortcuts?
[16:08] <Djon> i'm looking for a parameter i could use with the "others options" (F6)
[16:09] <vidd> vuKo, http://www.google.com/search?q=modify+keyboard+shortcuts+xubuntu&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a
[16:12] <Djon> oh !
[16:12] <Djon> i think i found it
[16:13] <vidd> cool...what was it
[16:14] <Djon> i added vga=762
[16:14] <Djon> framebuffer activation
[16:14] <vidd> ok....is it working?
[16:15] <Djon> http://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/tutoriel/comment_activer_le_framebuffer
[16:15] <Djon> 791 first, but 792 seems to work
[16:15] <vidd> Djon, cool
[16:15] <vidd> vuKo, Settings->Window Manager->Keyboard
[16:20] <Djon> okay, thanks for the help
[16:20] <Djon> byee
[16:20] <vidd> vuKo, that help any?
[16:39] <vuKo> yea thx vidd
[16:40] <vuKo> is it bad to make pc boot into a command line and then startxfce ?
[16:51] <vuKo> vidd in window manager alt+f1 is bound to open workspace or something, instead it open firefox?????
[16:51] <cody-somerville> alt + f1 is for help
[16:53] <vuKo> cody-somerville: whats the shortcut to show the Applications Menu -- and to start a terminal?
[16:53] <vuKo> cody-somerville: where can i find a list of shortcuts?...
[16:53] <cody-somerville> alt + f2 is the run shortcut
[16:53] <vuKo> i know that one :P
[16:53] <vuKo> the rest are used for window management afaik
[16:54] <cody-somerville> Applications > Settings > Settings Manager > Keyboard > Shortcuts
[16:55] <vuKo> cody-somerville: i see "Window SHortcuts"
[16:55] <vuKo> but none of the things i want to do are listed in there
[16:56] <cody-somerville> What do you want to do?
[16:56] <vuKo> cody-somerville: whats the shortcut to show the Applications Menu -- and to start a terminal?
[16:56] <vuKo> ^^
[16:56] <cody-somerville> control + escape is the default
[16:56] <vuKo> that + would be nice to add other stuff ;later like i do in ubuntu 'x
[16:56] <vuKo> ok that works
[16:57] <cody-somerville> And you can change it by going to Applications > Settings > Setting Manager, click keyboard icon, and then clicking on the shortcuts tab
[16:57] <vuKo> what about to spawn a terminal
[16:57] <cody-somerville> There is no default
[16:57] <cody-somerville> So you'll need to add your own
[16:57] <vuKo> well how do i set it?
[16:57] <vuKo> how do i add it
[16:57] <cody-somerville> Click add on the lower left of the dialogue to add a new keyboard shotcut theme
[16:58] <cody-somerville> Then click he add button under the pane showing the shotcuts for the current theme
[16:59] <vuKo> eh cody-somerville? alt+esc isnt even listed in that shortcut list...
[17:01] <cody-somerville> Control+Escape
[17:01] <vuKo> thats not there either!!!!!!!!!
[17:01] <vuKo> theres nothing of use in there
[17:01] <knome> please don't shout
[17:01] <cody-somerville> vuKo, Sir, please calm down.
[17:02] <vuKo> sorry, but what your talking about isnt there to configure
[17:02] <vuKo> ctrl+esc works.. but i cant change it?
[17:02] <vuKo> theres no config for these keyboard shortcuts
[17:03] <cody-somerville> http://cody.zapto.org/screenshots/xubuntu-keyboard-preferences.png
[17:04] <vuKo> wish i had some webspace mine isnt like that
[17:04] <vuKo> it has no add remove under the 2nd pane
[17:05] <cody-somerville> You're probably not following my directions.
[17:05] <knome> vuKo, you can use http://tinypic.com/ for example
[17:05] <cody-somerville> You're probably looking at the window manager keyboard shortcuts
[17:05] <vuKo> i am
[17:06] <cody-somerville> vuKo, Well, please re-read the instructions I've given you to get to the normal, everyday keyboard shortcuts.
[17:06] <vuKo> lol found it... thankyou...
[17:06] <cody-somerville> vuKo, you're welcome.
[17:09] <vuKo> how do i switch to a cli and then come back to xfce pls?
[17:09] <vuKo> omg my tooth is wobbling]
[17:10] <vuKo> i could prolly pull it out
[17:14] <TheSheep>  cli: alt+ctrl+f1, xfce: alt+ctrl+f7
[17:16] <vuKo> so once im in cli alt+ctrl+f7 will bring me back?
[17:17] <vuKo> TheSheep: ^^
[17:17] <TheSheep> yes
[17:17] <vuKo> thx
[17:17] <vuKo> 1337
[17:18] <TheSheep> n00 pr081m!
[17:22] <vidd> ????
[19:09] <thenullman> hallo
[19:09] <thenullman> I need help with grub and xubuntu
[19:10] <thenullman> please
[19:10] <thenullman> I'm getting this error when I reboot sometimes:  error 18
[19:10] <thenullman> stage 1.5
[19:11] <thenullman> I have an older laptop, but w2k sees it's drive fine and larger drives in the past
[19:11] <thenullman> reinstalling grubgets me to work ok untilreboot
[19:15] <vidd> thenullman, please pastebin your grub and fstab files?
[19:19] <thenullman> sorta a n00b, can Iget to them from the windows partion - I'm dual booting with w2k... I haven't configured much on ubuntu partition yet
[19:20] <thenullman> I could load up pidgin when booted into xubuntu though...
[19:20] <vidd> this is what i think your issue is....
[19:21]  * flyback bbl
[19:22] <vidd> fstab says your linux boot partition is one one partition, but grub is looking for it on another
[19:22] <vidd> or the issue is hat you need a special condition set in grub, and its not saving correctly
[19:24] <thenullman> when I did repair, I had to figure outwhich sda wasthe boot disk,finally figured out sda5 is, reinstalled grubb on thatand things were ok
[19:25] <thenullman> I'll look at fstab - is there a line I'm looking for?  otherwise I could do likeI said b/f and load x and open ppidgin
[19:25] <vidd> no...fstab is fine
[19:27] <vidd> fstab is saying your boot partition is is sda5
[19:27] <vidd> ya just need to get grub to look there for the /boot partition
[19:33] <thenullman> k, so u need to look at my fstab and grub files still then?
[19:36] <vidd> thenullman, no....just grub
[19:38] <vuKo> !vnc
[19:45] <thenullman> k, see u on the other partition vidd.
[19:45] <vidd> kk
[19:46] <thenullman> ubottu - I'm looking to access the drivefrom w2k while w2k is running and xubuntu is not
[19:46] <thenullman> jah, I'm not either
[19:47] <flyback> hahaha
[19:47] <flyback> vnc sux
[19:50]  * flyback ponders how much crap he is going to break in his 2k vm doing a repair install of 2k noSP over 2k sp4 but since the vm died anyways guess it doesn't matter
[19:58] <thenullman> vidd, I'm in x
[19:59] <thenullman> so I'm at the shell...what is cd.. in linux again?
[19:59] <thenullman> or how do I get you what u need?
[20:00] <vidd> sudo mousepad /boot/grub/menu.lst
[20:01] <thenullman> I just saw that cd and folder name does what I need - I'mdoing the command u just said now
[20:02] <thenullman> # menu.lst - See: grub(8), info grub, update-grub(8)
[20:02] <thenullman> #            grub-install(8), grub-floppy(8),
[20:02] <thenullman> #            grub-md5-crypt, /usr/share/doc/grub
[20:02] <thenullman> #            and /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/.
[20:02] <thenullman> ## default num
[20:03] <vidd> !past
[20:03] <thenullman> oh boy,it booted me out for that paste
[20:03] <vidd> !paste
[20:03] <thenullman> oye
[20:03] <thenullman> my bad everyone
[20:03] <thenullman> sawry - n00b i am
[20:04] <thenullman> http://paste.ubuntu.com/51782/
[20:04] <thenullman> that might be more readable
[20:05] <thenullman> I'm also n00b to irc
[20:05] <thenullman> but thx for tolerating my learnin
[20:05] <vidd> thenullman, change line 131 to say root		(hd0,5)
[20:06] <thenullman> got it
[20:06] <thenullman> that all?
[20:07] <vidd> it is looking for your boot partition on sda4 (hd0.4) instead of sda5 (hd0,5)
[20:07] <thenullman> ok
[20:08] <thenullman> so save and reboot and see what happens?
[20:08] <vidd> yes....but change lines 137 and 142 if this works
[20:09] <thenullman> so try 1st then change them if test passes?
[20:09] <vidd> yes
[20:09] <thenullman> k, thx
[20:11] <vidd> thenullman, yes? no?
[20:12] <thenullman> no reboot yet
[20:12] <thenullman> sorry
[20:12] <thenullman> getting there...
[20:19] <thenullman> vidd, I get error 17: cannot mount selected partion press any key to cont.
[20:20] <thenullman> I'm on another computer now, but u want me to reinstall grub again to get into xub
[20:20] <thenullman> I just started recovery mode...
[20:20] <thenullman> I'm guessing I could do what needed there...
[20:29] <thenullman> vidd I'm reinstalling grub
[20:29] <thenullman> idk what to do at rescue command line
[20:29] <thenullman> but I'll make the other 2 changes and test
[20:29] <vidd> no
[20:30] <vidd> since it did not work, making the same change to the other 2 lines will mess your system up even more
[20:30] <thenullman> ah
[20:30] <thenullman> so reinstalling grub is ok though?
[20:30] <vidd> thats why we only made the one change
[20:30] <thenullman> k
[20:30] <vidd> yes...reinstalling grub should be ok
[20:31] <vidd> now i want to see your fstab
[20:32] <vidd> interesting....
[20:32] <vidd> your grub says it is mounting hd0,4 in read-only mode....
[20:33] <thenullman> well when I was testing and trying to get grub to work originally - I tried to reinstall grub on all 4 sda's and only 5 worked
[20:34] <vidd> im comparing your grub to mine...
[20:35] <vidd> let me know when you posted your fstab
[20:35] <thenullman> sorry, might have to wait a bit
[20:36] <thenullman> crying baby and wife working
[20:36] <thenullman> bbl
[20:43] <SmoothPorcupine> Is TeamSpeak 2 not hearing my mic an Xubuntu issue, or just generally and Ubuntu issue?
[20:43] <SmoothPorcupine> an*
[20:46] <knome> SmoothPorcupine, does the mic work otherwise perfectly?
[20:46] <SmoothPorcupine> Yes.
[20:46] <SmoothPorcupine> I can hear myself in it.
[20:46] <SmoothPorcupine> I haven't tested it with other applications.
[20:47] <knome> sounds weird then
[20:47] <knome> can you check if you can record from the mic?
[20:47] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, if it works with other applications, then it is a teamspeak issue
[20:48] <SmoothPorcupine> What program can I record with?
[20:52] <adi1> hi all
[20:53] <adi1> how to controll the brightness level on xubuntu
[20:54] <adi1> I have this issue: when I do FN+up/down
[20:54] <adi1> it goes at is max level or very low level
[20:55] <adi1> is this in ubuntu there is some brightnes applet
[20:55] <adi1> but in xubuntu what should I use
[20:58] <SmoothPorcupine> If I can blow into the microphone and hear sound on my speakers, doesn't that mean the mic is working?
[20:58] <vidd> SmoothPorcupine, yes
[20:58] <adi1> can any one help with this small issue?
[20:59] <vidd> adi1, the FN+up/down is a feature of your laptop's bios...not the OS
[21:00] <adi1> my bios is ok for ubuntu and kubuntu
[21:00] <adi1> I dont think my bios is set wrong for xubuntu
[21:00] <vidd> the bios is the same no matter what os you run
[21:00] <adi1> :)
[21:00] <adi1> thats right
[21:01] <vidd> so what is the actual issue?
[21:01] <adi1> FN+ up/down arrows set the brightnes eather in max or in very low
[21:01] <adi1> level
[21:01] <vidd> right...as per your bios settings....not anything to do with your OS
[21:02] <vidd> there are no default keybinings to FN in any of the *buntu's
[21:03] <adi1> can I install some apps
[21:03] <adi1>  like brightness applets in ubuntu?
[21:03] <vidd> for the FN+up/down?
[21:03] <adi1> to controll the brightnes
[21:03] <adi1> yes
[21:04] <adi1> or should be some config file
[21:04] <adi1> let me explain
[21:04] <vidd> you can try to change the keybindings....but since they are hard-coded into your bios, i dont expect them to work as you expect
[21:04] <adi1> ubuntu kubuntu and zenwalk and linux mint xfce
[21:04] <adi1> all those distros did'nt had this issue
[21:05] <adi1> I was able to use corectly FN+up/down
[21:05] <adi1> in xubuntu wich I like most
[21:05] <vidd> i think you are missing what im saying
[21:05] <adi1> something is wrong
[21:05] <adi1> or I made somthing wrong
[21:05] <vidd> NOTHING the OS does affect the FN+ANYTHING combinations
[21:05] <vidd> ever
[21:06] <adi1> ok
[21:06] <adi1> I got that
[21:06] <vidd> your bios controls that specific keybinding
[21:07] <vidd> so either you mapped over it....(which i doubt you can do) or the bios is messed up somehow
[21:07] <vidd> do you dual-boot?
[21:07] <adi1> do u think I should have a look to my bios?
[21:07] <adi1> yes xp
[21:08] <vidd> if you boot into xp right now....does it work as expected?
[21:08] <adi1> grub
[21:08] <adi1> yes
[21:08] <adi1> it work as axpected in all distros above
[21:09] <adi1> I remeber some small app
[21:09] <adi1> in all xfce distros
[21:10] <DCPom> adi1, http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=5569887
[21:10] <adi1> inside the panel where u can ad sys tray or apps or orage time ect
[21:10] <adi1> there was some brightness applet there
[21:10] <adi1> in mine cant find it
[21:12] <adi1> this link is just my issue
[21:13] <DCPom> the second post is a solution
[21:13] <DCPom> and two people say it works inclucing OP
[21:13] <DCPom> including*
[21:13] <adi1> im gonna try out
[21:14] <adi1> thanks :)
[21:14] <vidd> adi1,
[21:14] <vidd> you want to use a different text editor then gedit =]
[21:17] <adi1> allready done with mousepad
[21:17] <adi1> :)
[21:17] <adi1> going for boot now
[21:17] <adi1> if you dont see me again it dint worked :)
[21:19] <knome> vidd, duh, i really like gedit :P
[21:20] <vidd> then install it knome XD
[21:20] <knome> it's installed.
[21:20] <vidd> then use it
[21:20] <knome> it's in use :P
[21:20] <vidd> adi1, better?
[21:20] <adi1> ok now
[21:20] <adi1> :)
[21:20] <adi1> that did it
[21:20] <vidd> im surprised actually
[21:20] <adi1> thanks a lot
[21:21] <adi1> why?
[21:21] <vidd> dont thank me!
[21:21] <adi1> i have the same laptop as the first post link you send me
[21:21] <adi1> :)
[21:21] <adi1> dell 6400
[21:21] <vidd> i didnt send the link....you need to thank DCPom
[21:22] <adi1> ok than
[21:22] <vidd> XD
[21:22] <adi1> thanks a lot DCPom
[21:22] <adi1> for the link
[21:22] <adi1> now vidd just a small other issue
[21:22] <thenullman> vidd, I can't load xub.  I vi into menu.lst in recovery mode, but I forget how to use vi and edit, or my keyboard isn't letting me type numbers where I want to to edit the file...  Is there a way to access the fsystem from w2k to make the change?  I guess I could load up knoppix or a live cd... idk
[21:23] <thenullman> I reinstalled grub and that's where I'm @
[21:23] <adi1> ok mybe latter
[21:23] <DCPom> np
[21:23] <adi1> :)
[21:23] <vidd> thenullman, unfortunantly...i reinstall cuzz its faster and easier then messing around with editing grub
[21:24] <vidd> did you install windows after linux on this machine?
[21:24] <thenullman> so reinstall the whole os?
[21:24] <thenullman> nah
[21:24] <thenullman> windows was 1st
[21:24] <vidd> thenullman, just the linux
[21:24] <adi1> it seems ok
[21:24] <thenullman> I have no data on it
[21:25] <speedcore> my computer says... initrams fs... tty   (kinda) at boot..  and can't get further.. common problem?   xubuntu feisty
[21:25] <favro> thenullman: try nano - ctrl+o to write, ctrl+x to close
[21:25] <adi1> i do like this one winz first and than linux
[21:26]  * vidd is just like most other men....he dont do windows!
[21:26] <vidd> speedcore, has it ever booted?
[21:26] <thenullman> aiight, I'm getting there - I'm trying to learn linux at least...
[21:28] <thenullman> (that was for adi1)
[21:29] <thenullman> vidd, anything special I should do in partitioning section?  is it normal that I had 4 drive entries when I tried to repair?  it said sda1,2 5,6...
[21:29] <thenullman> (partitioning of install of xub.
[21:29] <vidd> at least one will be your xp partition
[21:30] <vidd> one will be the swap partition (kinda small)
[21:30] <vidd> how many hard drives you have?
[21:31] <vidd> thenullman?
[21:31] <thenullman> just the 1
[21:31] <vidd> did you previously install other linux OS on this machine?
[21:32] <thenullman> tried, but nothing worked...  I don't remember getting anywhere with the installs into partitioning...
[21:32] <speedcore> vidd: no not ever.
[21:32] <thenullman> it's slow, a lot of them wouldn't even load the installer
[21:32] <speedcore> vidd: the same version cd has booted on other machines
[21:33] <speedcore> vidd: or you mean: booted...  anything?
[21:33] <vidd> ok..... thenullman the first partition....how big and is it the XP?
[21:33] <vidd> speedcore, did this particular machine ever boot?
[21:35] <vidd> speedcore, so your trying to install? live or alt?
[21:35] <thenullman> yeah, 8gb and it is w2k fat32
[21:35] <vidd> thenullman, so remove the other partitions....
[21:36] <thenullman> k thx
[21:36] <vidd> then select the "auto-configure freespace" (or something similar) option
[21:36] <vidd> Or ...if you prefer....
[21:37] <vidd> set up a /home, /, and swap partitions
[21:37] <vidd> the partions are most likely decently set
[21:38] <vidd> tell me the size and ill recomend wich for what
[21:38] <vidd> =]
[21:39] <vidd> the benifit of setting up a /home partition is that if you royally foul up and need to format and re-install "from scratch", you can start "from scratch" without messing up your home directories =]
[21:40] <knome> vidd, but with /home and too small / you can epicly fail if the free space on / is 0 ;)
[21:40] <DCPom> what do you all use for playing CDs or DVDs?
[21:40] <knome> DCPom, kaffeine for dvds
[21:40] <knome> DCPom, and i usually use grip to rip cds and then play the files in amarok
[21:40] <vidd> DCPom, i use gxine
[21:41] <DCPom> is it sudo apt-get install kaffeine?
[21:41] <vidd> knome, ive never had that issue
[21:41] <speedcore> vidd: live-cd bootup is what I try.. I guess installing.. and then not being able to boot.. would be dull
[21:42] <knome> DCPom, yes, but be aware that it might need to install a lot of kde libs if you don't already have them
[21:42] <vidd> speedcore, your system probably cant handle the live cd....try the net-installer or the alt
[21:42] <DCPom> ah... i installed from the xubuntu live disk
[21:49] <thenullman> vidd, I'll reinstall later tonight, but I see what ur saying.  thx again
[21:56] <speedcore> vidd: I now tried the gutsy-normalubuntu.. it worked I guess problem was with this particular system and the feisty boot process
[21:57] <speedcore> vidd: my system is a celeron 1200mhz.. with a geforce 2mx 32mb card. and 376MB ram..  do I benefit much to install xubuntu? speedyness?  or can I aswell go with the normal hardy?
[21:59] <vidd> speedcore, i would always recomend xubuntu over "normal" ubuntu
[22:00] <vidd> personally....i did the base (cli-only) install on my one laptop and installed lxde on it
[22:00] <vidd> and the next system i build will have even less on it
[22:00] <speedcore> vidd: the reson you recommend?  speed?
[22:00] <vidd> yes
[22:00] <speedcore> lxde?
[22:01] <vidd> Light X Desktop Environment
[22:01] <speedcore> ah
[22:01] <vidd> http://lxde.org/
[22:02] <speedcore> looks great..
[22:02] <speedcore> I alreadyn run pcmanfm.. and that's very well made
[22:03] <speedcore> thanx for help and the tips..
[22:03] <speedcore> now going to try to boot xubuntu hardy instead of the buggy feisty..
[22:04] <speedcore> on the other hand.. also have a xubuntu feisty system running perfectly on another machine
[22:05] <vidd> speedcore, why not get the hardy net-installer
[22:06] <vidd> its a tiny installer...just enough to get your ethernet working so you can connect to the internet and download everything else
[22:26] <speedcore> vidd: that's good
[22:26] <speedcore> vidd: can I boot up the gutsy..  normal gutsy... and get the tiny-running from it?
[22:26] <speedcore> I have no cd-r's here.. and I want to get started.. right now.. not tomorrow.. night here in sweden
[22:33] <soleblaze> Xorg seems to be taking too many cpu resources.  Just having a window open that refreshes it self every second causes it to use 20% CPU.  I'm using an aspire one wth an Intel 945GM chipset.  HAs anyone heard of this problem before?
[22:47] <compguy379> how do you run a gnome program in xubuntu?
[23:19] <CostaRicanQuaker> I knwo this is unrelated, but i need a p2p that has a good userbase...i tried gtk-gnutella and it was outdated from the repos, right now i'm using frostwire which is ok but it sucks for indie-classical stuff, i need a suggestion for the best p2p app that i can sudo apt-get
[23:30] <favro> CostaRicanQuaker: I use rtorrent - it's cli but easy to set up and has good support
[23:38] <bill--22> hi