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sbalneav | Morning all | 14:50 |
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jsgotangco | hi! | 14:52 |
sbalneav | Hey Jerome! | 14:55 |
jsgotangco | sbalneav: ive been busy :) | 15:22 |
sbalneav | Well, that's good | 15:23 |
sbalneav | Better to be busy than sitting around doing nothing | 15:23 |
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GJ | Hello. I added a third network interface (eth2) in my server to connect to a wireless access point and need help getting clients on that interface to reach the Internet. | 19:32 |
GJ | I configured dhcp to dish out ip addresses to wireless clients and that is working OK. | 19:33 |
GJ | The thin clients connect through eth0 and that still works as it did before I added the third network interface. | 19:34 |
Lns | GJ: so you're saying the wifi (eth2) clients can't get out to the internet though? | 19:36 |
GJ | Yes | 19:36 |
Lns | GJ: i'm pretty sure it has to do with the default route you need to set up for eth2 | 19:37 |
Lns | try command 'route -n' on a wifi client and see what it says | 19:37 |
GJ | The wifi clients are Windows machines. | 19:39 |
GJ | JUst because this server is an Edubuntu server shouldn't make it unusable by Windows machines that just need access to the Internet, should it? | 19:41 |
Lns | GJ: no. | 19:42 |
Lns | hold on | 19:42 |
GJ | The default route has to do with the DHCP option routers, doesn't it? | 19:48 |
Lns | GJ: i believe so | 19:51 |
GJ | Do I have to create a static route? | 19:52 |
GJ | The option routers doesn't seem to help. I've tried several IP addresses there. | 19:53 |
GJ | I don't think there is any firewall set up on this server. | 19:54 |
nubae | https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html | 20:05 |
nubae | check masquerading... that should help u | 20:06 |
Toastie | Hey guys | 21:40 |
Toastie | I've been considering using Edubuntu in the home | 21:40 |
Toastie | What are the pro's / con's? | 21:41 |
Lns | Toastie: why not look at edubuntu.org and find out? :) | 21:46 |
Toastie | :D | 21:46 |
Toastie | At first I was considering using the current home server (based on none other than, have a guess), but I thought it might be pointless due to the fact it'd just one client | 21:48 |
Toastie | However, the computer it'd be running on isn't exactly powerful | 21:48 |
Toastie | Would edubuntu be suited to the home? | 21:48 |
nubae | say I have 2 files, and I want to add just the suff that differs from teh first file to the second | 21:48 |
nubae | how do I do that easily? | 21:49 |
nubae | been looking through diff, but dont think it does that | 21:49 |
Lns | nubae: you can pipe diff through sed/awk | 21:49 |
Lns | probably | 21:49 |
Lns | Toastie: Edubuntu is basically Ubuntu with educational software pre-installed. Do you need educational software? | 21:49 |
Toastie | Lns: Yes | 21:50 |
Lns | Toastie: ok, then there ya go. :) | 21:50 |
nubae | Lns: dont forget the pretty pictures | 21:50 |
Toastie | And that doesn't make it sound very special :P | 21:50 |
Lns | nubae: of course! | 21:50 |
Lns | Toastie: it's very special, just not too different than stock ubuntu. | 21:50 |
Toastie | OK | 21:50 |
Lns | You can take an Ubuntu installation and turn it into Edubuntu pretty easily. | 21:50 |
nubae | looks nicer though, usually they have a custom background | 21:51 |
Toastie | See at the moment, I'm moving house | 21:51 |
nubae | like right now we have a very artsy heron on the background | 21:51 |
nubae | heh | 21:51 |
Toastie | So I've decided to update / refresh the house infrastructure | 21:51 |
Lns | nubae: well that depends...a client of mine didn't like the edubuntu backgrounds/artwork, the kids using it above, say, 9 thought it was too childish for them | 21:51 |
Toastie | Hehe | 21:51 |
Toastie | Even I like some of the backgrounds :P | 21:51 |
Toastie | Especially this one | 21:52 |
Toastie | http://edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png | 21:52 |
nubae | I remember a couple distros back we had some real childish desktop backgrounds | 21:52 |
Lns | nubae: thats what i was referring to, it was the feisty days | 21:52 |
Toastie | Can I see ?? | 21:53 |
nubae | yeah I remember that, installed it from primary only | 21:53 |
nubae | looking for it online, found the last one, but thats not it... | 21:55 |
nubae | http://jonathancarter.co.za/russian-schools-switch-to-linux-and-new-edubuntu-wallpaper | 21:55 |
nubae | http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/an-ubuntu-retrospective-in-wallpaper/ | 21:58 |
nubae | there it is... | 21:58 |
nubae | we had the kid homies one installed for primary... heh | 21:59 |
Lns | nubae: that's what I had too hehe | 21:59 |
Lns | I <3 Warty default bg...always loved that one | 22:00 |
Lns | errr, breezy. =p | 22:00 |
nubae | I never saw warty... before my ubuntu days | 22:01 |
nubae | I jumped on the ubuntu wagon with breezy | 22:01 |
nubae | or hoary maybe even... | 22:01 |
Lns | ahh, the name confusion astounds me... /me loves the oldschool, version number way of referring to things | 22:04 |
Lns | Ever since stupid Microsoft and Windows 95...all downhill from there! | 22:04 |
Lns | You get questions from people like "Well what happened to Windows 96 and 97?" | 22:04 |
Lns | And confusion between Windows 98 and Office 97..ugh | 22:05 |
Lns | what a crappy way of referring to a version of software..like it'll go stale after a year | 22:05 |
Toastie | Exactly | 22:05 |
Toastie | However, what's to say date/month is better than year? | 22:05 |
Lns | and the naming convention for *buntus doesn't help too much, they're just too hard to remember | 22:05 |
Toastie | Well | 22:06 |
Lns | Toastie: well I don't think that's a good way either | 22:06 |
Lns | that's just me though | 22:06 |
Toastie | They've stuck to their schedule so far | 22:06 |
Toastie | So the .04 .10 .04 .10 scheme isn't so bad | 22:06 |
Lns | as long as they do that..but see, that makes it impossible for them to change | 22:06 |
Lns | which is a real tiedown for their business model.. why intentionally screw yourself that way? If you ever do have to change it, it just causes confusion. | 22:08 |
Lns | not to mention it suffers from the Y3k bug. | 22:08 |
Toastie | lol | 22:08 |
Toastie | Will it still be going on then? | 22:08 |
Lns | *buntu? I sure hope so | 22:08 |
Toastie | There wasn't exactly a Windows 3000BC | 22:08 |
nubae | heh... | 22:09 |
Lns | no, as in 8.04 (year/month) | 22:09 |
Toastie | I know :) | 22:09 |
Lns | lol | 22:09 |
* Lns looks strangely at Toastie | 22:09 | |
nubae | I just realised now what the numbers symbolised... lol | 22:10 |
Toastie | lolol | 22:11 |
Toastie | I have a bad habit | 22:13 |
Toastie | If I download a big file | 22:14 |
Lns | I guess if they ever decided to ditch the year/month scheme, they could just pick up from there with normal versioning | 22:14 |
Toastie | I once lost an 8GB download that took me months | 22:14 |
nubae | thats why wget exists | 22:14 |
Toastie | So now if I have a file bigger than 500mb | 22:14 |
Toastie | I tar it and save it to /etc/backup | 22:14 |
Toastie | Then give it the +i attrib | 22:15 |
Toastie | Bad habit, but it comes in handy sometimes | 22:15 |
nubae | isnt that a good habit? | 22:15 |
Toastie | No | 22:16 |
Toastie | Because my harddrive is messy :) | 22:16 |
nubae | god sed and awk rock, but I hate them too | 22:21 |
nubae | love hate relationship that | 22:21 |
Toastie | hmm | 22:26 |
Toastie | OK | 22:26 |
Toastie | Is it possible to install edubuntu and remove it once testing is completed? | 22:26 |
Lns | nubae: i agree...so hard to understand, but so powerful =) | 22:26 |
Toastie | I mounted the iso and I'm browsing the mount point, but I'm only seeing windows executables | 22:27 |
Lns | Toastie: of course you can remove it =) depends on the context though. | 22:27 |
Toastie | Can I install it from ubuntu? | 22:27 |
Toastie | Like I did with kubuntu-desktop | 22:27 |
Toastie | Only from my original download? | 22:27 |
Lns | I'm not 100% sure but I think you just need to install 'edubuntu-desktop' and it'll work | 22:27 |
Lns | don't quote me on that though | 22:27 |
Toastie | I can't download it again :( | 22:28 |
Lns | no, the package | 22:28 |
Toastie | AAH | 22:28 |
Lns | from your current ubuntu | 22:28 |
Toastie | I found it | 22:28 |
Toastie | The sh script | 22:28 |
nubae | sed -n 'G; s/\n/&&/; /^\([ -~]*\n\).*\n\1/d; s/\n//; h; P' | 22:28 |
Lns | nubae: heh..looks like PCL printer code | 22:28 |
nubae | that deletes duplicated lines | 22:28 |
nubae | :-) | 22:28 |
Lns | nubae: that seems overly complicated, can't you use grep for that? | 22:29 |
nubae | grep for what? I'm not sure where the differences in the 2 files will be | 22:29 |
Lns | nubae: for deleting duplicate lines | 22:29 |
Lns | i guess i don't get your situation =p | 22:30 |
Toastie | hmm | 22:31 |
nubae | I'm writing all the stuff in this awk -v LIMIT=$UGIDLIMIT -F: '($3>=LIMIT) && ($3!=65534)' /etc/passwd >> /etc/.passwd | 22:31 |
nubae | but obviously if that gets run again, it will just append duplicates | 22:31 |
Lns | nubae: ahh, you're xferring users? | 22:31 |
nubae | so need to find duplicated lines in the file and delete it... | 22:31 |
nubae | yeah a cron job from the fat client then grabs the .passwd file and writes to its own /etc/passwd | 22:32 |
Lns | oh gotcha, ok | 22:32 |
nubae | that way no need for nbd to rebuild all the time | 22:32 |
Lns | hmmmm | 22:32 |
nubae | I guess I could use rsync | 22:33 |
Lns | nubae: but rsync only does whole files | 22:34 |
nubae | right but doesnt it look at only changes? | 22:34 |
nubae | or u mean it doesnt know if files are different | 22:34 |
Lns | nubae: not sure actually. From the man page: The rsync remote-update protocol allows rsync to transfer just the differences between two sets of files across the network connection, using an efficient checksum-search algorithm" | 22:37 |
Lns | two SETS of files... | 22:37 |
Lns | I could be wrong, but i always thought rsync transferred entire files, not just changes in the files. | 22:39 |
Toastie | Lns | 22:40 |
Toastie | I'm 80% sure it only transfers changes | 22:40 |
Toastie | It's the whole idea | 22:40 |
Toastie | I could be wrong though | 22:40 |
Lns | Toastie: ahh, i think you're right. | 22:41 |
nubae | dont know if its changes in files or changes in directories | 22:41 |
Toastie | hmm | 22:41 |
Toastie | OK | 22:41 |
Toastie | Right now | 22:41 |
Toastie | I wanna evaluate Edubuntu before I rework things tomorrow with the equipmen | 22:41 |
Toastie | All I have right now: | 22:41 |
nubae | might work via timestamp | 22:41 |
Toastie | edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso | 22:41 |
Lns | nubae: its a checksum type algorithm.. | 22:42 |
nubae | ok yeah so thats actually not a bad way to do it | 22:43 |
Toastie | My laptop (80GB harddrive, two partitions, one's encrypted and sensitive, other in use by current Ubuntu. Can't install another OS tonight) | 22:43 |
Toastie | And no CD's / etc | 22:43 |
Lns | Toastie: edubuntu-desktop package? | 22:44 |
Lns | Toastie: and edubuntu-addon-* packages | 22:44 |
Toastie | Lns: That'll require a significant download | 22:45 |
Toastie | And when I tried to remove kubuntu-desktop | 22:45 |
Toastie | It left me with hundreds of unneeded applications | 22:45 |
Lns | Toastie: well you have to get it *somehow* =p | 22:45 |
Lns | Toastie: edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso - you have this but you are mounting it loopback? | 22:46 |
Toastie | But I just downloaded the addon cd ISO :P | 22:47 |
Toastie | Correct | 22:47 |
Lns | ok | 22:47 |
nubae | jeez you US guys must be pretty freaked with the whole 700 billion dollar thing being rejected | 22:47 |
Lns | nubae: nope | 22:48 |
Toastie | I'm not from the US :) | 22:48 |
Lns | I am, but i'm glad it was rejected | 22:48 |
nubae | yeah well, otherwise u'd be paying for that... | 22:49 |
Toastie | Lns: Just because it saves you $2,333 :P | 22:49 |
nubae | but its gonna be fun on wallstreet tomorrow | 22:49 |
Lns | Toastie: if it were on an actual CD, it would probably launch something...maybe try auto start options on cd? I'm not sure, never used the cd for installing it before | 22:49 |
Lns | nubae: It's Wall Street's problem, not the taxpayers'... let them sink. We're not there to save companies from going under. | 22:50 |
Toastie | nubae, how's Austria this fine evening? | 22:50 |
nubae | cold, but peaceful... | 22:50 |
Lns | nubae: heh, we have your Arnold! | 22:50 |
nubae | Austria has non of these problems... country with far too much money | 22:51 |
Toastie | lol nubae | 22:51 |
nubae | people here tend not to use credit, ever... | 22:52 |
Lns | I think our problem is that we're not sticking to a gold standard anymore. We're printing money and inflation follows. DUH! =p | 22:52 |
nubae | every country has left the gold standard | 22:52 |
Lns | And people don't like that milk costs $2.50 today and yesterday it cost $1.50..so they buy less. | 22:53 |
Toastie | hmm | 22:53 |
Toastie | Lns | 22:53 |
Toastie | Can 'mount' mount an iso to a device? | 22:53 |
nubae | but yeah it should be related to a real value | 22:53 |
Toastie | In particular, cdrom0? | 22:53 |
Lns | nubae: exactly. | 22:53 |
Lns | Toastie: not sure | 22:53 |
Toastie | Because it'd autorun then :) | 22:53 |
Lns | I would think it could somehow | 22:54 |
Lns | maybe if you enabled autorun with the loopback device ;) | 22:55 |
Toastie | Bah | 23:04 |
Toastie | It didn't autorun | 23:04 |
Toastie | But I just ran /media/cdrom0/cdromupdate& | 23:04 |
Toastie | It's upgrading now | 23:04 |
Lns | Toastie: nice. | 23:05 |
Toastie | What the | 23:05 |
Toastie | "Upgrading to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS" | 23:05 |
Toastie | The update packages are EXACTLY the same as my dist-upgrade packages | 23:06 |
Toastie | So I'm beginning to wonder if it's actually upgrading to edubuntu | 23:06 |
nubae | u need edubuntu-artwork | 23:07 |
Toastie | Can you choose the source of an apt install? | 23:07 |
nubae | thats really the only change... edubuntu-desktop brings in some educational programs, thats all | 23:07 |
Toastie | Yes but I want to see the variety :) | 23:08 |
Lns | Toastie: you can choose the source of the apt install through /etc/apt/sources.list | 23:09 |
Toastie | But that means I'll have to edit it again afterwards | 23:09 |
Toastie | ANd it's getting late and I'm tired :P | 23:09 |
Lns | Toastie: http://pastebin.ca/1214119 | 23:09 |
Lns | Toastie: if your issue is re-editing a file to get packages off of a CD, then I don't think anyone can help you. =p | 23:10 |
Lns | Consider the alternative | 23:10 |
Toastie | "[sudo] password for jerickson: " | 23:11 |
Toastie | Is that username not too long? | 23:11 |
Lns | jerickson? no ? what do you mean? | 23:11 |
Toastie | Is the limit not 8 chars? | 23:12 |
Lns | hehe, no | 23:13 |
Toastie | I'm confused | 23:13 |
Toastie | You sure? | 23:13 |
Toastie | Aah | 23:14 |
Lns | Toastie: $ sudo adduser thisisareallylongusername | 23:14 |
Lns | Adding user `thisisareallylongusername' ... | 23:14 |
Lns | Adding new group `thisisareallylongusername' (1008) ... | 23:14 |
Lns | . | 23:14 |
Toastie | brian@brian-laptop:~$ sudo useradd iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo;sudo userdel iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo | 23:15 |
Toastie | brian@brian-laptop:~$ | 23:15 |
Toastie | Meh | 23:16 |
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Toastie | Yay | 23:35 |
Toastie | Installed | 23:35 |
Toastie | My menus just doubled | 23:35 |
Toastie | How do you remove entries? | 23:35 |
Nubae | right click edit menus | 23:39 |
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