[14:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[14:52] <jsgotangco> hi!
[14:55] <sbalneav> Hey Jerome!
[15:22] <jsgotangco> sbalneav: ive been busy :)
[15:23] <sbalneav> Well, that's good
[15:23] <sbalneav> Better to be busy than sitting around doing nothing
[19:32] <GJ> Hello. I added a third network interface (eth2) in my server to connect to a wireless access point and need help getting clients on that interface to reach the Internet.
[19:33] <GJ> I configured dhcp to dish out ip addresses to wireless clients and that is working OK.
[19:34] <GJ> The thin clients connect through eth0 and that still works as it did before I added the third network interface.
[19:36] <Lns> GJ: so you're saying the wifi (eth2) clients can't get out to the internet though?
[19:36] <GJ> Yes
[19:37] <Lns> GJ: i'm pretty sure it has to do with the default route you need to set up for eth2
[19:37] <Lns> try command 'route -n' on a wifi client and see what it says
[19:39] <GJ> The wifi clients are Windows machines.
[19:41] <GJ> JUst because this server is an Edubuntu server shouldn't make it unusable by Windows machines that just need access to the Internet, should it?
[19:42] <Lns> GJ: no.
[19:42] <Lns> hold on
[19:48] <GJ> The default route has to do with the DHCP option routers, doesn't it?
[19:51] <Lns> GJ: i believe so
[19:52] <GJ> Do I have to create a static route?
[19:53] <GJ> The option routers doesn't seem to help. I've tried several IP addresses there.
[19:54] <GJ> I don't think there is any firewall set up on this server.
[20:05] <nubae> https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html
[20:06] <nubae> check masquerading... that should help u
[21:40] <Toastie> Hey guys
[21:40] <Toastie> I've been considering using Edubuntu in the home
[21:41] <Toastie> What are the pro's / con's?
[21:46] <Lns> Toastie: why not look at edubuntu.org and find out? :)
[21:46] <Toastie> :D
[21:48] <Toastie> At first I was considering using the current home server (based on none other than, have a guess), but I thought it might be pointless due to the fact it'd just one client
[21:48] <Toastie> However, the computer it'd be running on isn't exactly powerful
[21:48] <Toastie> Would edubuntu be suited to the home?
[21:48] <nubae> say I have 2 files, and I want to add just the suff that differs from teh first file to the second
[21:49] <nubae> how do I do that easily?
[21:49] <nubae> been looking through diff, but dont think it does that
[21:49] <Lns> nubae: you can pipe diff through sed/awk
[21:49] <Lns> probably
[21:49] <Lns> Toastie: Edubuntu is basically Ubuntu with educational software pre-installed. Do you need educational software?
[21:50] <Toastie> Lns: Yes
[21:50] <Lns> Toastie: ok, then there ya go. :)
[21:50] <nubae> Lns: dont forget the pretty pictures
[21:50] <Toastie> And that doesn't make it sound very special :P
[21:50] <Lns> nubae: of course!
[21:50] <Lns> Toastie: it's very special, just not too different than stock ubuntu.
[21:50] <Toastie> OK
[21:50] <Lns> You can take an Ubuntu installation and turn it into Edubuntu pretty easily.
[21:51] <nubae> looks nicer though, usually they have a custom background
[21:51] <Toastie> See at the moment, I'm moving house
[21:51] <nubae> like right now we have a very artsy heron on the background
[21:51] <nubae> heh
[21:51] <Toastie> So I've decided to update / refresh the house infrastructure
[21:51] <Lns> nubae: well that depends...a client of mine didn't like the edubuntu backgrounds/artwork, the kids using it above, say, 9 thought it was too childish for them
[21:51] <Toastie> Hehe
[21:51] <Toastie> Even I like some of the backgrounds :P
[21:52] <Toastie> Especially this one
[21:52] <Toastie> http://edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png
[21:52] <nubae> I remember a couple distros back we had some real childish desktop backgrounds
[21:52] <Lns> nubae: thats what i was referring to, it was the feisty days
[21:53] <Toastie> Can I see ??
[21:53] <nubae> yeah I remember that, installed it from primary only
[21:55] <nubae> looking for it online, found the last one, but thats not it...
[21:55] <nubae> http://jonathancarter.co.za/russian-schools-switch-to-linux-and-new-edubuntu-wallpaper
[21:58] <nubae> http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/an-ubuntu-retrospective-in-wallpaper/
[21:58] <nubae> there it is...
[21:59] <nubae> we had the kid homies one installed for primary... heh
[21:59] <Lns> nubae: that's what I had too hehe
[22:00] <Lns> I <3 Warty default bg...always loved that one
[22:00] <Lns> errr, breezy. =p
[22:01] <nubae> I never saw warty... before my ubuntu days
[22:01] <nubae> I jumped on the ubuntu wagon with breezy
[22:01] <nubae> or hoary maybe even...
[22:04] <Lns> ahh, the name confusion astounds me... /me loves the oldschool, version number way of referring to things
[22:04] <Lns> Ever since stupid Microsoft and Windows 95...all downhill from there!
[22:04] <Lns> You get questions from people like "Well what happened to Windows 96 and 97?"
[22:05] <Lns> And confusion between Windows 98 and Office 97..ugh
[22:05] <Lns> what a crappy way of referring to a version of software..like it'll go stale after a year
[22:05] <Toastie> Exactly
[22:05] <Toastie> However, what's to say date/month is better than year?
[22:05] <Lns> and the naming convention for *buntus doesn't help too much, they're just too hard to remember
[22:06] <Toastie> Well
[22:06] <Lns> Toastie: well I don't think that's a good way either
[22:06] <Lns> that's just me though
[22:06] <Toastie> They've stuck to their schedule so far
[22:06] <Toastie> So the .04 .10 .04 .10 scheme isn't so bad
[22:06] <Lns> as long as they do that..but see, that makes it impossible for them to change
[22:08] <Lns> which is a real tiedown for their business model.. why intentionally screw yourself that way? If you ever do have to change it, it just causes confusion.
[22:08] <Lns> not to mention it suffers from the Y3k bug.
[22:08] <Toastie> lol
[22:08] <Toastie> Will it still be going on then?
[22:08] <Lns> *buntu? I sure hope so
[22:08] <Toastie> There wasn't exactly a Windows 3000BC
[22:09] <nubae> heh...
[22:09] <Lns> no, as in 8.04 (year/month)
[22:09] <Toastie> I know :)
[22:09] <Lns> lol
[22:09]  * Lns looks strangely at Toastie 
[22:10] <nubae> I just realised now what the numbers symbolised... lol
[22:11] <Toastie> lolol
[22:13] <Toastie> I have a bad habit
[22:14] <Toastie> If I download a big file
[22:14] <Lns> I guess if they ever decided to ditch the year/month scheme, they could just pick up from there with normal versioning
[22:14] <Toastie> I once lost an 8GB download that took me months
[22:14] <nubae> thats why wget exists
[22:14] <Toastie> So now if I have a file bigger than 500mb
[22:14] <Toastie> I tar it and save it to /etc/backup
[22:15] <Toastie> Then give it the +i attrib
[22:15] <Toastie> Bad habit, but it comes in handy sometimes
[22:15] <nubae> isnt that a good habit?
[22:16] <Toastie> No
[22:16] <Toastie> Because my harddrive is messy :)
[22:21] <nubae> god sed and awk rock, but I hate them too
[22:21] <nubae> love hate relationship that
[22:26] <Toastie> hmm
[22:26] <Toastie> OK
[22:26] <Toastie> Is it possible to install edubuntu and remove it once testing is completed?
[22:26] <Lns> nubae: i agree...so hard to understand, but so powerful =)
[22:27] <Toastie> I mounted the iso and I'm browsing the mount point, but I'm only seeing windows executables
[22:27] <Lns> Toastie: of course you can remove it =) depends on the context though.
[22:27] <Toastie> Can I install it from ubuntu?
[22:27] <Toastie> Like I did with kubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <Toastie> Only from my original download?
[22:27] <Lns> I'm not 100% sure but I think you just need to install 'edubuntu-desktop' and it'll work
[22:27] <Lns> don't quote me on that though
[22:28] <Toastie> I can't download it again :(
[22:28] <Lns> no, the package
[22:28] <Toastie> AAH
[22:28] <Lns> from your current ubuntu
[22:28] <Toastie> I found it
[22:28] <Toastie> The sh script
[22:28] <nubae> sed -n 'G; s/\n/&&/; /^\([ -~]*\n\).*\n\1/d; s/\n//; h; P'
[22:28] <Lns> nubae: heh..looks like PCL printer code
[22:28] <nubae> that deletes duplicated lines
[22:28] <nubae> :-)
[22:29] <Lns> nubae: that seems overly complicated, can't you use grep for that?
[22:29] <nubae> grep for what? I'm not sure where the differences in the 2 files will be
[22:29] <Lns> nubae: for deleting duplicate lines
[22:30] <Lns> i guess i don't get your situation =p
[22:31] <Toastie> hmm
[22:31] <nubae> I'm writing all the stuff in this awk -v LIMIT=$UGIDLIMIT -F: '($3>=LIMIT) && ($3!=65534)' /etc/passwd >> /etc/.passwd
[22:31] <nubae> but obviously if that gets run again, it will just append duplicates
[22:31] <Lns> nubae: ahh, you're xferring users?
[22:31] <nubae> so need to find duplicated lines in the file and delete it...
[22:32] <nubae> yeah a cron job from the fat client then grabs the .passwd file and writes to its own /etc/passwd
[22:32] <Lns> oh gotcha, ok
[22:32] <nubae> that way no need for nbd to rebuild all the time
[22:32] <Lns> hmmmm
[22:33] <nubae> I guess I could use rsync
[22:34] <Lns> nubae: but rsync only does whole files
[22:34] <nubae> right but doesnt it look at only changes?
[22:34] <nubae> or u mean it doesnt know if files are different
[22:37] <Lns> nubae: not sure actually. From the man page: The rsync remote-update protocol allows rsync to transfer just the differences between two sets of files across the network connection, using an efficient  checksum-search  algorithm"
[22:37] <Lns> two SETS of files...
[22:39] <Lns> I could be wrong, but i always thought rsync transferred entire files, not just changes in the files.
[22:40] <Toastie> Lns
[22:40] <Toastie> I'm 80% sure it only transfers changes
[22:40] <Toastie> It's the whole idea
[22:40] <Toastie> I could be wrong though
[22:41] <Lns> Toastie: ahh, i think you're right.
[22:41] <nubae> dont know if its changes in files or changes in directories
[22:41] <Toastie> hmm
[22:41] <Toastie> OK
[22:41] <Toastie> Right now
[22:41] <Toastie> I wanna evaluate Edubuntu before I rework things tomorrow with the equipmen
[22:41] <Toastie> All I have right now:
[22:41] <nubae> might work via timestamp
[22:41] <Toastie> edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso
[22:42] <Lns> nubae: its a checksum type algorithm..
[22:43] <nubae> ok yeah so thats actually not a bad way to do it
[22:43] <Toastie> My laptop (80GB harddrive, two partitions, one's encrypted and sensitive, other in use by current Ubuntu. Can't install another OS tonight)
[22:43] <Toastie> And no CD's / etc
[22:44] <Lns> Toastie: edubuntu-desktop package?
[22:44] <Lns> Toastie: and edubuntu-addon-* packages
[22:45] <Toastie> Lns: That'll require a significant download
[22:45] <Toastie> And when I tried to remove kubuntu-desktop
[22:45] <Toastie> It left me with hundreds of unneeded applications
[22:45] <Lns> Toastie: well you have to get it *somehow* =p
[22:46] <Lns> Toastie: edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso - you have this but you are mounting it loopback?
[22:47] <Toastie> But I just downloaded the addon cd ISO :P
[22:47] <Toastie> Correct
[22:47] <Lns> ok
[22:47] <nubae> jeez you US guys must be pretty freaked with the whole 700 billion dollar thing being rejected
[22:48] <Lns> nubae: nope
[22:48] <Toastie> I'm not from the US :)
[22:48] <Lns> I am, but i'm glad it was rejected
[22:49] <nubae> yeah well, otherwise u'd be paying for that...
[22:49] <Toastie> Lns: Just because it saves you $2,333 :P
[22:49] <nubae> but its gonna be fun on wallstreet tomorrow
[22:49] <Lns> Toastie: if it were on an actual CD, it would probably launch something...maybe try auto start options on cd? I'm not sure, never used the cd for installing it before
[22:50] <Lns> nubae: It's Wall Street's problem, not the taxpayers'... let them sink. We're not there to save companies from going under.
[22:50] <Toastie> nubae, how's Austria this fine evening?
[22:50] <nubae> cold, but peaceful...
[22:50] <Lns> nubae: heh, we have your Arnold!
[22:51] <nubae> Austria has non of these problems... country with far too much money
[22:51] <Toastie> lol nubae
[22:52] <nubae> people here tend not to use credit, ever...
[22:52] <Lns> I think our problem is that we're not sticking to a gold standard anymore. We're printing money and inflation follows. DUH! =p
[22:52] <nubae> every country has left the gold standard
[22:53] <Lns> And people don't like that milk costs $2.50 today and yesterday it cost $1.50..so they buy less.
[22:53] <Toastie> hmm
[22:53] <Toastie> Lns
[22:53] <Toastie> Can 'mount' mount an iso to a device?
[22:53] <nubae> but yeah it should be related to a real value
[22:53] <Toastie> In particular, cdrom0?
[22:53] <Lns> nubae: exactly.
[22:53] <Lns> Toastie: not sure
[22:53] <Toastie> Because it'd autorun then :)
[22:54] <Lns> I would think it could somehow
[22:55] <Lns> maybe if you enabled autorun with the loopback device ;)
[23:04] <Toastie> Bah
[23:04] <Toastie> It didn't autorun
[23:04] <Toastie> But I just ran /media/cdrom0/cdromupdate&
[23:04] <Toastie> It's upgrading now
[23:05] <Lns> Toastie: nice.
[23:05] <Toastie> What the
[23:05] <Toastie> "Upgrading to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS"
[23:06] <Toastie> The update packages are EXACTLY the same as my dist-upgrade packages
[23:06] <Toastie> So I'm beginning to wonder if it's actually upgrading to edubuntu
[23:07] <nubae> u need edubuntu-artwork
[23:07] <Toastie> Can you choose the source of an apt install?
[23:07] <nubae> thats really the only change... edubuntu-desktop brings in some educational programs, thats all
[23:08] <Toastie> Yes but I want to see the variety :)
[23:09] <Lns> Toastie: you can choose the source of the apt install through /etc/apt/sources.list
[23:09] <Toastie> But that means I'll have to edit it again afterwards
[23:09] <Toastie> ANd it's getting late and I'm tired :P
[23:09] <Lns> Toastie: http://pastebin.ca/1214119
[23:10] <Lns> Toastie: if your issue is re-editing a file to get packages off of a CD, then I don't think anyone can help you. =p
[23:10] <Lns> Consider the alternative
[23:11] <Toastie> "[sudo] password for jerickson: "
[23:11] <Toastie> Is that username not too long?
[23:11] <Lns> jerickson? no ? what do you mean?
[23:12] <Toastie> Is the limit not 8 chars?
[23:13] <Lns> hehe, no
[23:13] <Toastie> I'm confused
[23:13] <Toastie> You sure?
[23:14] <Toastie> Aah
[23:14] <Lns> Toastie: $ sudo adduser thisisareallylongusername
[23:14] <Lns> Adding user `thisisareallylongusername' ...
[23:14] <Lns> Adding new group `thisisareallylongusername' (1008) ...
[23:14] <Lns> .
[23:15] <Toastie> brian@brian-laptop:~$ sudo useradd iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo;sudo userdel iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo
[23:15] <Toastie> brian@brian-laptop:~$
[23:16] <Toastie> Meh
[23:35] <Toastie> Yay
[23:35] <Toastie> Installed
[23:35] <Toastie> My menus just doubled
[23:35] <Toastie> How do you remove entries?
[23:39] <Nubae> right click edit menus