=== bddebian2 is now known as bddebian === calimer- is now known as calimer === nubae1 is now known as nubae [14:50] Morning all [14:52] hi! [14:55] Hey Jerome! [15:22] sbalneav: ive been busy :) [15:23] Well, that's good [15:23] Better to be busy than sitting around doing nothing === hfsdo_ is now known as hfsdo [19:32] Hello. I added a third network interface (eth2) in my server to connect to a wireless access point and need help getting clients on that interface to reach the Internet. [19:33] I configured dhcp to dish out ip addresses to wireless clients and that is working OK. [19:34] The thin clients connect through eth0 and that still works as it did before I added the third network interface. [19:36] GJ: so you're saying the wifi (eth2) clients can't get out to the internet though? [19:36] Yes [19:37] GJ: i'm pretty sure it has to do with the default route you need to set up for eth2 [19:37] try command 'route -n' on a wifi client and see what it says [19:39] The wifi clients are Windows machines. [19:41] JUst because this server is an Edubuntu server shouldn't make it unusable by Windows machines that just need access to the Internet, should it? [19:42] GJ: no. [19:42] hold on [19:48] The default route has to do with the DHCP option routers, doesn't it? [19:51] GJ: i believe so [19:52] Do I have to create a static route? [19:53] The option routers doesn't seem to help. I've tried several IP addresses there. [19:54] I don't think there is any firewall set up on this server. [20:05] https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/firewall.html [20:06] check masquerading... that should help u [21:40] Hey guys [21:40] I've been considering using Edubuntu in the home [21:41] What are the pro's / con's? [21:46] Toastie: why not look at edubuntu.org and find out? :) [21:46] :D [21:48] At first I was considering using the current home server (based on none other than, have a guess), but I thought it might be pointless due to the fact it'd just one client [21:48] However, the computer it'd be running on isn't exactly powerful [21:48] Would edubuntu be suited to the home? [21:48] say I have 2 files, and I want to add just the suff that differs from teh first file to the second [21:49] how do I do that easily? [21:49] been looking through diff, but dont think it does that [21:49] nubae: you can pipe diff through sed/awk [21:49] probably [21:49] Toastie: Edubuntu is basically Ubuntu with educational software pre-installed. Do you need educational software? [21:50] Lns: Yes [21:50] Toastie: ok, then there ya go. :) [21:50] Lns: dont forget the pretty pictures [21:50] And that doesn't make it sound very special :P [21:50] nubae: of course! [21:50] Toastie: it's very special, just not too different than stock ubuntu. [21:50] OK [21:50] You can take an Ubuntu installation and turn it into Edubuntu pretty easily. [21:51] looks nicer though, usually they have a custom background [21:51] See at the moment, I'm moving house [21:51] like right now we have a very artsy heron on the background [21:51] heh [21:51] So I've decided to update / refresh the house infrastructure [21:51] nubae: well that depends...a client of mine didn't like the edubuntu backgrounds/artwork, the kids using it above, say, 9 thought it was too childish for them [21:51] Hehe [21:51] Even I like some of the backgrounds :P [21:52] Especially this one [21:52] http://edubuntu.org/images/tour/desktop.png [21:52] I remember a couple distros back we had some real childish desktop backgrounds [21:52] nubae: thats what i was referring to, it was the feisty days [21:53] Can I see ?? [21:53] yeah I remember that, installed it from primary only [21:55] looking for it online, found the last one, but thats not it... [21:55] http://jonathancarter.co.za/russian-schools-switch-to-linux-and-new-edubuntu-wallpaper [21:58] http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/an-ubuntu-retrospective-in-wallpaper/ [21:58] there it is... [21:59] we had the kid homies one installed for primary... heh [21:59] nubae: that's what I had too hehe [22:00] I <3 Warty default bg...always loved that one [22:00] errr, breezy. =p [22:01] I never saw warty... before my ubuntu days [22:01] I jumped on the ubuntu wagon with breezy [22:01] or hoary maybe even... [22:04] ahh, the name confusion astounds me... /me loves the oldschool, version number way of referring to things [22:04] Ever since stupid Microsoft and Windows 95...all downhill from there! [22:04] You get questions from people like "Well what happened to Windows 96 and 97?" [22:05] And confusion between Windows 98 and Office 97..ugh [22:05] what a crappy way of referring to a version of software..like it'll go stale after a year [22:05] Exactly [22:05] However, what's to say date/month is better than year? [22:05] and the naming convention for *buntus doesn't help too much, they're just too hard to remember [22:06] Well [22:06] Toastie: well I don't think that's a good way either [22:06] that's just me though [22:06] They've stuck to their schedule so far [22:06] So the .04 .10 .04 .10 scheme isn't so bad [22:06] as long as they do that..but see, that makes it impossible for them to change [22:08] which is a real tiedown for their business model.. why intentionally screw yourself that way? If you ever do have to change it, it just causes confusion. [22:08] not to mention it suffers from the Y3k bug. [22:08] lol [22:08] Will it still be going on then? [22:08] *buntu? I sure hope so [22:08] There wasn't exactly a Windows 3000BC [22:09] heh... [22:09] no, as in 8.04 (year/month) [22:09] I know :) [22:09] lol [22:09] * Lns looks strangely at Toastie [22:10] I just realised now what the numbers symbolised... lol [22:11] lolol [22:13] I have a bad habit [22:14] If I download a big file [22:14] I guess if they ever decided to ditch the year/month scheme, they could just pick up from there with normal versioning [22:14] I once lost an 8GB download that took me months [22:14] thats why wget exists [22:14] So now if I have a file bigger than 500mb [22:14] I tar it and save it to /etc/backup [22:15] Then give it the +i attrib [22:15] Bad habit, but it comes in handy sometimes [22:15] isnt that a good habit? [22:16] No [22:16] Because my harddrive is messy :) [22:21] god sed and awk rock, but I hate them too [22:21] love hate relationship that [22:26] hmm [22:26] OK [22:26] Is it possible to install edubuntu and remove it once testing is completed? [22:26] nubae: i agree...so hard to understand, but so powerful =) [22:27] I mounted the iso and I'm browsing the mount point, but I'm only seeing windows executables [22:27] Toastie: of course you can remove it =) depends on the context though. [22:27] Can I install it from ubuntu? [22:27] Like I did with kubuntu-desktop [22:27] Only from my original download? [22:27] I'm not 100% sure but I think you just need to install 'edubuntu-desktop' and it'll work [22:27] don't quote me on that though [22:28] I can't download it again :( [22:28] no, the package [22:28] AAH [22:28] from your current ubuntu [22:28] I found it [22:28] The sh script [22:28] sed -n 'G; s/\n/&&/; /^$[ -~]*\n$.*\n\1/d; s/\n//; h; P' [22:28] nubae: heh..looks like PCL printer code [22:28] that deletes duplicated lines [22:28] :-) [22:29] nubae: that seems overly complicated, can't you use grep for that? [22:29] grep for what? I'm not sure where the differences in the 2 files will be [22:29] nubae: for deleting duplicate lines [22:30] i guess i don't get your situation =p [22:31] hmm [22:31] I'm writing all the stuff in this awk -v LIMIT=$UGIDLIMIT -F: '($3>=LIMIT) && ($3!=65534)' /etc/passwd >> /etc/.passwd [22:31] but obviously if that gets run again, it will just append duplicates [22:31] nubae: ahh, you're xferring users? [22:31] so need to find duplicated lines in the file and delete it... [22:32] yeah a cron job from the fat client then grabs the .passwd file and writes to its own /etc/passwd [22:32] oh gotcha, ok [22:32] that way no need for nbd to rebuild all the time [22:32] hmmmm [22:33] I guess I could use rsync [22:34] nubae: but rsync only does whole files [22:34] right but doesnt it look at only changes? [22:34] or u mean it doesnt know if files are different [22:37] nubae: not sure actually. From the man page: The rsync remote-update protocol allows rsync to transfer just the differences between two sets of files across the network connection, using an efficient checksum-search algorithm" [22:37] two SETS of files... [22:39] I could be wrong, but i always thought rsync transferred entire files, not just changes in the files. [22:40] Lns [22:40] I'm 80% sure it only transfers changes [22:40] It's the whole idea [22:40] I could be wrong though [22:41] Toastie: ahh, i think you're right. [22:41] dont know if its changes in files or changes in directories [22:41] hmm [22:41] OK [22:41] Right now [22:41] I wanna evaluate Edubuntu before I rework things tomorrow with the equipmen [22:41] All I have right now: [22:41] might work via timestamp [22:41] edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso [22:42] nubae: its a checksum type algorithm.. [22:43] ok yeah so thats actually not a bad way to do it [22:43] My laptop (80GB harddrive, two partitions, one's encrypted and sensitive, other in use by current Ubuntu. Can't install another OS tonight) [22:43] And no CD's / etc [22:44] Toastie: edubuntu-desktop package? [22:44] Toastie: and edubuntu-addon-* packages [22:45] Lns: That'll require a significant download [22:45] And when I tried to remove kubuntu-desktop [22:45] It left me with hundreds of unneeded applications [22:45] Toastie: well you have to get it *somehow* =p [22:46] Toastie: edubuntu-8.04.1-addon-i386.iso - you have this but you are mounting it loopback? [22:47] But I just downloaded the addon cd ISO :P [22:47] Correct [22:47] ok [22:47] jeez you US guys must be pretty freaked with the whole 700 billion dollar thing being rejected [22:48] nubae: nope [22:48] I'm not from the US :) [22:48] I am, but i'm glad it was rejected [22:49] yeah well, otherwise u'd be paying for that... [22:49] Lns: Just because it saves you $2,333 :P [22:49] but its gonna be fun on wallstreet tomorrow [22:49] Toastie: if it were on an actual CD, it would probably launch something...maybe try auto start options on cd? I'm not sure, never used the cd for installing it before [22:50] nubae: It's Wall Street's problem, not the taxpayers'... let them sink. We're not there to save companies from going under. [22:50] nubae, how's Austria this fine evening? [22:50] cold, but peaceful... [22:50] nubae: heh, we have your Arnold! [22:51] Austria has non of these problems... country with far too much money [22:51] lol nubae [22:52] people here tend not to use credit, ever... [22:52] I think our problem is that we're not sticking to a gold standard anymore. We're printing money and inflation follows. DUH! =p [22:52] every country has left the gold standard [22:53] And people don't like that milk costs $2.50 today and yesterday it cost $1.50..so they buy less. [22:53] hmm [22:53] Lns [22:53] Can 'mount' mount an iso to a device? [22:53] but yeah it should be related to a real value [22:53] In particular, cdrom0? [22:53] nubae: exactly. [22:53] Toastie: not sure [22:53] Because it'd autorun then :) [22:54] I would think it could somehow [22:55] maybe if you enabled autorun with the loopback device ;) [23:04] Bah [23:04] It didn't autorun [23:04] But I just ran /media/cdrom0/cdromupdate& [23:04] It's upgrading now [23:05] Toastie: nice. [23:05] What the [23:05] "Upgrading to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS" [23:06] The update packages are EXACTLY the same as my dist-upgrade packages [23:06] So I'm beginning to wonder if it's actually upgrading to edubuntu [23:07] u need edubuntu-artwork [23:07] Can you choose the source of an apt install? [23:07] thats really the only change... edubuntu-desktop brings in some educational programs, thats all [23:08] Yes but I want to see the variety :) [23:09] Toastie: you can choose the source of the apt install through /etc/apt/sources.list [23:09] But that means I'll have to edit it again afterwards [23:09] ANd it's getting late and I'm tired :P [23:09] Toastie: http://pastebin.ca/1214119 [23:10] Toastie: if your issue is re-editing a file to get packages off of a CD, then I don't think anyone can help you. =p [23:10] Consider the alternative [23:11] "[sudo] password for jerickson: " [23:11] Is that username not too long? [23:11] jerickson? no ? what do you mean? [23:12] Is the limit not 8 chars? [23:13] hehe, no [23:13] I'm confused [23:13] You sure? [23:14] Aah [23:14] Toastie: $ sudo adduser thisisareallylongusername [23:14] Adding user `thisisareallylongusername' ... [23:14] Adding new group `thisisareallylongusername' (1008) ... [23:14] . [23:15] brian@brian-laptop:~$ sudo useradd iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo;sudo userdel iwannahaveareallylongusernametoo [23:15] brian@brian-laptop:~$ [23:16] Meh === nubae1 is now known as Nubae [23:35] Yay [23:35] Installed [23:35] My menus just doubled [23:35] How do you remove entries? [23:39] right click edit menus