=== ScottK-vacation is now known as ScottK [01:38] !info kdebase [01:38] kdebase (source: kdebase): base components from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu7.2 (hardy), package size 10 kB, installed size 104 kB [01:38] !info kdebase intrepid [01:39] kdebase (source: kdebase): base applications from the official KDE release. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.0-0ubuntu2 (intrepid), package size 67 kB, installed size 180 kB [01:39] lolwut? [01:39] heh [01:39] i thought it had the link to the source page [01:41] JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1 [01:41] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs [01:41] dep wait [01:41] yeah, saw [01:41] oh, and screw my link too [01:41] :P [01:41] so is dep wait anything to 'OMG, OHNOZ!" over or will it correct itself? [01:42] by tomorrow / me thinks [01:42] i am waiting on kde4libs to finish frist [01:42] then extragear will be off [01:52] !info kfax [01:52] kfax (source: kdegraphics): G3/G4 fax viewer for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.5.9-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 139 kB, installed size 428 kB [01:53] !info kfax-kde4 [01:53] kfax-kde4 (source: kfax-kde4): G3, G32, and G4 fax viewer for KDE 4. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.6-0ubuntu5 (hardy), package size 210 kB, installed size 1324 kB [02:05] Riddell: the kde4 stuff was supposed to get onto the betas wasn't it? [02:09] !info kiconedit-kde4 [02:09] kiconedit-kde4 (source: kiconedit-kde4): icon editor for KDE 4. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 327 kB, installed size 1944 kB [02:10] bleh [02:10] hi Hobbsee :) [02:10] hey vorian! [02:10] how's things [02:12] pretty good [02:12] been doing some universe-y bits recently, which is fun [02:12] :) [02:13] i'm happy i never have to worry about uni stuff again [02:13] heh [02:13] yeah, i've done 2 of those assignments so far. got the big one to go. [02:14] i hope it goes well for you then :) [02:14] * Hobbsee notes that the people on kubuntu-users haven't got smarter [02:14] or at least, the new users. [02:14] right. listadmin done. [02:16] :) [02:17] ScottK: when are you going to fix 271779? [02:17] or should someoen else do it? [02:20] * Hobbsee looks at it [02:20] * Hobbsee tries to remember how to do this [02:46] * Hobbsee beats kde4 around the head. [02:50] right. i win. [02:50] note to self: don't try building kde4 on a hardy system. [02:50] :) [02:54] right. fixed. [03:01] hmmm. did soyuz eat my upload? [03:01] OM NOM NOM NOM [03:02] ah, there we are. it's come thru [03:02] oh, *drat* [03:03] I knew i didn't want to upload this. What I actually wanted to do was to pass the diff off to someone else, make *them* sign it, and upload it. [03:03] O.o [03:04] OTOH, i could just accept my own upload, and be done with it. [03:04] is it in main? [03:04] yes [03:04] shucks [03:05] oh, screw it. there are no other main people around that i've seen for a while. [03:05] and no other release team people. [03:05] :( [03:05] poor Hobbsee [03:06] * vorian gives Hobbsee a power drink [03:06] * Hobbsee pushes the big red button [03:06] * Hobbsee bounces off the walls [03:07] Hobbsee: can you look at the 9 extragear packages i just uploaded :) [03:07] (with sugar on top) [03:08] right. one more milestoned bug knocked off the list. [03:09] vorian: do they need the other KDE bits to build? [03:09] just libs [03:09] hold a sec [03:09] oh [03:09] still two arc's building [03:09] oh, we've already accepted parts of the new KDE. that must be good enough, then. [03:09] ia64/hppa [03:10] meh. do we care? [03:10] :D [03:10] YES! [03:10] * vorian runs [03:10] * Hobbsee accepts utils and toys [03:10] er, not toys. pimlibs. [03:13] vorian: mass-accepted. [03:14] thank ye Hobbsee [03:14] vorian: now, i need to go kdebase-runtime, kdepimlibs, then everything else, don't i? [03:14] for everything to build properly? [03:14] yes [03:14] which means...3 publisher cycles, i guess. darn. === bddebian2 is now known as bddebian [08:28] morning all [11:22] Hobbsee: Thanks for taking care of it. That one was on my list for after I got back from vacation which was just ~12 hours ago. [11:22] ScottK: no problem :) [11:22] ScottK: as a bonus, that got uploaded before most of the new kde4 got accepted :P [11:23] ;-) [13:20] anyone know if there is a kde4 port of keep ? [13:21] I don't think anything has been relesed, but I think there is one in the works [13:21] oh [13:21] ok just saw over the weekend a stack of keep bugs [13:21] and didn't know if there was any work going on w/ keep or not [13:24] jjesse: no there's not [13:24] not that I know of [13:24] hrm ok so what should we do about bugs being reported against keep? [14:22] Riddell: any chance on bumping desktop-effects-kde (fix bug #219729). Needs dep on kdesudo. You should have debdiff from me (If not I can resend). ty. [14:22] Launchpad bug 219729 in desktop-effects-kde "Misleading error message on missing packages" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219729 [14:24] good monring everyone [14:24] rgreening: onto it [14:25] Riddell: cool. I'm just going through all the packages I have touched trying to close off some bugs. Much appreciated. [14:25] morning jjesse [14:26] how does this read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu#preview [14:27] reading right now [14:27] I still have no idea how to attach images to the wiki [14:28] you reference upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 is that correct? [14:33] rgreening: done [14:33] jjesse: no [14:36] Riddell: cool [14:38] rgreening: since you did such a great job last time, qt 4.4.3 is out :) [14:39] Riddell: on the wiki, should you make a big note about KDE3.5 vs KDE4 as some people may not realize you cannot have KDE4.5 in Intrepid [14:39] rgreening: yes, we should do that in the release notes too [14:40] Riddell: I saw the announce. np in packaging (nothing changed - only update to leagalese as they changed to Nokia from Trolltech). [14:40] rgreening: the debian/copyright file needs updated, it should be taken from Debian (hi fabo) [14:41] qt 3.3.9 too [14:42] Riddell: how do I go about updating older Hardy package from within Intrepid? pbuilder? [14:42] rgreening: like what? [14:43] was qt 3.3.9 your referred to in Hardy or Intrepid? [14:43] intrepid [14:43] oh.. nm then [14:43] :) [14:43] I'll look at both shortly. [14:43] * rgreening waiting for Oct 2 to arrive... [14:44] * rgreening sings "I wish they all could be California..." [14:48] rgreening what is october 2 again? [14:50] announce UDS people selected for Decembers summit [14:50] ah well hopefully you can go then :) [14:51] * rgreening crosses fingers [14:52] they eat people [14:52] and try to throw them in pools. [14:52] at UDS? [14:53] Hmm.. I think I'll be the eator and not an eatee (6'7" and 289 lbs) [14:53] mmm.. [14:54] yes [15:00] I'm not planning on going this time. The new sponsorship model doesn't appeal to me. [15:01] ScottK: how so? [15:01] just curious [15:02] It used to be that you got sponsored (as I understood it) based on your contribution and a perception that your attending would be a good thing. [15:02] Now you have to go to Brainstorm and find some idea to champion. [15:02] If I'm going to take a week off of work to do 'work' for no pay, it'll be about what I'm interested in, not someone else. [15:03] ScottK: I believe you can generate new brainstorms as well (I did for one) [15:03] True. [15:04] * Hobbsee did, but didn't think it was appropriate for brainstorm. [15:04] and there were lot's of ideas, which did happen to cross paths with my interest [15:04] i presume you can delete ideas later, or something. [15:04] I've been to part or all of the last two and really had no idea what'd be useful for me to spend time on until after I was there. [15:05] It's been a while since I looked, but I did give it a detailed look once and really didn't find any ideas that made me jump up and want to work on them. [15:05] ScottK: you can find ideas nominated for brainstorm? [15:05] er, brainstorm ideas nominated for UDS? [15:05] Dunno. [15:05] I know for me, I want to start filling out the holes left by removing KDE3.5 (like re-integrate wine, I need my favorites applet back, etc) [15:07] My wants tend to be pretty diverse. In Prague I split my time pretty evenly between Kubuntu, Server, and Platform issues. [15:07] Plus some Community/QA stuff too. [15:07] in boston i spent most of my time in the server team [15:07] ScottK: you were lucky. I got stuck with IRC rubbish. [15:07] hopefully in mountain veiw there will be more kubuntu related stuff [15:08] Hobbsee: That's where not being involved in IRC team stuff at all pays off. [15:08] ScottK: that's true. [15:09] ScottK: now, if only it were possible to keep ops, and not be involved in the IRC team entirely.... [15:09] yeah, I think Kubuntu is still behind in terms of features/integration. When something gets resolved in Gnome from Brainstorm, it doesn't seem to filter back for us to keep up. We need some sort of notification that feature x is in Gnome, and should be earmarked for KDE so we can work on it (when appropriate) [15:10] like Guest Account integration into gdm.. should have had an opportunity to look at this for kdm as well as it's listed as an Intrepid feature [15:11] no parity there [15:11] That's what I'd like to help with for Jaunty. Try and keep some feature parity between the two where it makes sense. [15:13] That was one of the targets for Hardy and some good stuff got done. Just need to do it again. [15:14] and gutsy, iirc. [15:14] how close have we gotten in intrepid? [15:17] Riddell: looks like debian qt4-4.4.2-2 re-sync'd qt-copy patches. I'll update in the 4.4.3 bump so users have a real reason to dl 4.4.3 :) [15:22] Riddell: looks like some other patch changes. Will re-sync with debian on those as well for the qt4 bump. [15:27] Riddell: copyright file from 4.4.2 debian and ubuntu are exactly same. am I looking at the right thing? [15:28] rgreening: we want 4.4.3 [15:28] debian doesn't have a 4.4.3 (that I can see) [15:29] http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11/debian/copyright?rev=12291&view=auto [15:31] color me uninformed :) [15:31] ty [15:32] * rgreening busily bookmarks that site... [16:09] Riddell: in updating the qt from debian, noticed that "Standards-Version: 3.8.0" but ours is 3.7.3. Should that get bumped? When is it appropriate to bump? [16:10] post feature freeze I make as few changes as necessary [16:21] rgreening: The Ubuntu Policy specifically calls out bumping standards version from Debian as something not to bother to do. [16:21] ok. cool [16:22] Riddell: do you not want me to re-sync the missing qt-copy fixes? [16:25] Riddell: or was the comment about the standards ver? [16:35] rgreening: it was about the standards version, I wouldn't do qt-copy updates for the same reason but others would (less to sync later) [16:35] so I leave it to your discretion :) [16:36] Riddell: I'll build/test them. verify safe and working. I'll also review them to see if I see any potential for bombs. If not, I'll sync up the patches. I'll have a [very] detailed changelog. [16:37] Riddell: why is the first thing you're greeted with on Kubuntu Incomplete Language Support ? [16:46] davmor2: we aim to be friendly [17:05] Guys is there meant to be no maximise button on Konqueror? [17:06] that's not normal [17:07] davmor2: no, that's a bug [17:08] i have them.. [17:08] the buttons that is [17:09] maybe there's something configured in the window settings thing? [17:10] www.davmor2.co.uk/konq.png [17:11] Riddell: ^ === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_away [17:40] Riddell/apachelogger: can you look here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/52136/ ... some warnings building qt4.4.3. just wondering if I should be worried and what to correct/ignore. ty. [17:48] rgreening: first one means that you should bump the Standards-Version in debian/control from 3.7.3 to 3.8.0 [17:48] and adds something like "debian/control: - Bumped Standards-Version to 3.8.0, no further changes needed" to the changelog === davmor2_away is now known as davmor2 [17:51] Riddell: kde3 apps have no docs under help now is this known? [17:53] like K3B help->K3B handbook come up with Could not launch help centre [17:54] davmor2: the line about libcupsys2-dev means you should change the dep to libcups2-dev, since the other one is just a transitional package [17:54] ^ looks like khelpcenter isn't installed then [17:55] davmor2: does it work for kde4 apps? [17:56] davmor2: I'm not too sure about stronger-dependency-implies-weaker, since I don't see where libqt4-dev suggests them [17:56] smarter: libcups2-dev what, what? [17:57] davmor2: huh sorry, wrong person :P [17:57] phew [17:57] s/davmor2/rgreening/ [17:58] smarter: try running "lintain -i qt4-x11_4.4.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes", it should print more info iirc [17:58] erm rgreening :p [17:58] :) [17:59] * stdin gets coffee and cold medicine [18:08] davmor2: mm, docs are somewhere on my todo list [18:08] beta dude ;) [18:21] Riddell: I think we should just drop the html dir defintion from kde4.mk [18:22] currentl it uses /usr/share/docs/kde4/HTML IIRC === universidad is now known as Fachf [19:24] smarter: thanks. I'll fix the control file. [19:40] the simple calculator plasmoid should it be able to handle the following correctly 147*244-35868 the answer should be 0 but it gives me -5,000,000 or number to that effect [19:41] Riddell: I messed up the desktop-effects-kde debdiff. re-sending new one. FTBS cause I forgot a ',' before kdesudo in the depends. Doh! === smarter_ is now known as smarter [20:05] JontheEchidna: Would you please look at the upstream task for bug #273018. I don't think having a kdpf bug is really useful for something we want fixed in Okular. [20:05] Launchpad bug 273018 in okular "okular should support inverse search for DVI documents" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273018 [20:17] ScottK: I left a comment on the upstream bug asking it to be reassigned to Okular [20:17] JontheEchidna: OK. Thanks. [20:17] yw [20:24] is jonathan thomas around? [20:24] JontheEchidna: that would be you? [20:24] Yes [20:25] i was wondering why did you change status of bug #113191 from unconfirmed to new [20:25] Launchpad bug 113191 in kdebase "kcontrol settings are gone " [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113191 [20:25] nah [20:25] not launchpad bug you ugly bot [20:25] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113191 [20:25] kde bug 113191 [20:25] KDE bug 113191 in general "inverse and forward search in pdf documents" [Wishlist,New] [20:26] well, the feature isn't there, is it? [20:26] so? [20:26] are you going to manage my bugs now? [20:26] are you going to implement it? [20:26] sorry [20:26] please NEVER touch the status of a bug [20:26] unless you have the OK from the developer [20:26] this is a friendly warning :-) [20:27] btw thanks for caring about kpdf bugs [20:27] Heh. :-) Won't happen again. [20:27] and forwarding ubuntu bugs to poppler too [20:27] * rgreening ducks from the mud slingin' [20:27] You're welcome [20:28] JontheEchidna: that said you can confirm bugs but not change the component? [20:29] yeah... kinda weird. I asked in kde-bugs for somebody to reopen a different bug and they gave me canconfirm powers [20:29] which doesn't help with reopening bugs at all btw ;-) [20:29] ok [20:29] i could give you more powers [20:29] but not sure i should ;-) [20:29] next time you need them [20:29] come for me and i'll give you, ok? [20:30] ok [20:31] * tsdgeos hugs JontheEchidna [20:31] man don't get a bad feeling [20:31] :) [20:32] we devels are just too touchy with our bugs :D [20:32] it's miiiiiiine [20:32] hehe [20:32] dinner time, bye! [20:32] *whew [20:37] lol [20:37] * rgreening stands up "is it clear" [20:38] :) [20:38] ah well, it's all good in the end [20:39] 4 sure [20:41] well now that I've had my cardio workout for the day [20:41] that was quite the interestesting coverstation [20:41] ooh, new plasma screencast [20:42] link? [20:45] http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/slides-and-cast.html [20:45] * rgreening pulls up a chair and grabs some pop-corn [20:58] is kde-guidance ubuntu specific or upstream KDE? [20:58] jcastro: ubuntu specific and newly-dead [20:58] JontheEchidna: ok so we don't care about forwarding those bugs to ourselves right? :p [20:59] jcastro: No. Upstream to the extent there is one does look at LP in any case. [21:17] g'evening all [21:26] Good afternoon. [21:30] hi ScottK, did motu ever take a position on blobwars [21:31] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004435.html [21:31] * ScottK looks [21:37] Riddell: I don't think so, but it [21:37] Riddell: ... looks pretty clear that they shouldn't be in the archive. [21:38] ScottK: blobwars seems to have a dfsg versioned package now [21:38] the others don't [21:39] Riddell: Then I guess I'd assume it's OK and the others have to go, but I really don't know. [21:49] ScottK: are you able to help with uploading a fix to hardy-backports to bug 261694 ? [21:49] Launchpad bug 261694 in kicker-taskbar-compiz "kicker crashes after upgrading to KDE 3.5.10" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261694 [21:49] http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/ [21:50] a|wen: Yes. I meant to ask you if you thought it was ready. [21:51] ScottK: perfect ... there it is :) [21:51] OK. [21:52] http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/ [21:52] yes [21:53] ScottK: i think kicker-taskbar-compiz should be added to bug 261840 if it is going to be done at some point [21:53] Launchpad bug 261840 in ubuntu "Please pocket copy KDE 3.5.10 from hardy-backports to hardy-updates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261840 [21:55] a|wen: Yes, it should be added. [21:55] a|wen: How goes kdepim? [21:57] ScottK-laptop: i've tried looking for further commits in the kde-svn; was just going to check again now ... [21:57] OK. [21:58] Riddell: I just e-mailed you the diff/dsc for Qt 4.4.3 sync'd with debian. [21:58] is knetworkmanager working for people? [21:58] thanks rgreening, that'll have to wait until after beta [21:58] np [21:58] I'm gonna install/test tonight. I expect no issues though. [21:59] cleaned it up a lot [21:59] rgreening: planning to do qt 3.3.9 as well? === jussi01_ is now known as jussi01 [21:59] still more will need to be done. [21:59] Riddell: yep, next on the todo [21:59] ScottK-laptop: i can't find out how serious it is ... i consider trying to do a test if (but as it includes a gutsy-hardy upgrade, it'll probably take a little time) [22:00] a|wen: I think it's OK to take some time with this. [22:02] a|wen: Test building now. I'll be back in a bit. [22:03] ScottK-laptop: ok ... i'll be around for another hour or so [22:09] ScottK: nothing in the upstream svn ... i'll try to see if it is reproducable when i get the chance [23:09] * a|wen just hit the midnight barrier ... see you tomorrow