[01:38] <vorian> !info kdebase
[01:38] <vorian> !info kdebase intrepid
[01:39] <JontheEchidna> lolwut?
[01:39] <vorian> heh
[01:39] <vorian> i thought it had the link to the source page
[01:41] <vorian> JontheEchidna: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kdebase/4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs
[01:41] <vorian> dep wait
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, saw
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> oh, and screw my link too
[01:41] <vorian> :P
[01:41] <JontheEchidna> so is dep wait anything to 'OMG, OHNOZ!" over or will it correct itself?
[01:42] <vorian> by tomorrow / me thinks
[01:42] <vorian> i am waiting on kde4libs to finish frist
[01:42] <vorian> then extragear will be off
[01:52] <vorian> !info kfax
[01:53] <vorian> !info kfax-kde4
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the kde4 stuff was supposed to get onto the betas wasn't it?
[02:09] <vorian> !info kiconedit-kde4
[02:10] <vorian> bleh
[02:10] <vorian> hi Hobbsee :)
[02:10] <Hobbsee> hey vorian!
[02:10] <vorian> how's things
[02:12] <Hobbsee> pretty good
[02:12] <Hobbsee> been doing some universe-y bits recently, which is fun
[02:12] <vorian> :)
[02:13] <vorian> i'm happy i never have to worry about uni stuff again
[02:13] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, i've done 2 of those assignments so far.  got the big one to go.
[02:14] <vorian> i hope it goes well for you then :)
[02:14]  * Hobbsee notes that the people on kubuntu-users haven't got smarter
[02:14] <Hobbsee> or at least, the new users.
[02:14] <Hobbsee> right.  listadmin done.
[02:16] <vorian> :)
[02:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: when are you going to fix 271779?
[02:17] <Hobbsee> or should someoen else do it?
[02:20]  * Hobbsee looks at it
[02:20]  * Hobbsee tries to remember how to do this
[02:46]  * Hobbsee beats kde4 around the head.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> right.  i win.
[02:50] <Hobbsee> note to self:  don't try building kde4 on a hardy system.
[02:50] <vorian> :)
[02:54] <Hobbsee> right.  fixed.
[03:01] <Hobbsee> hmmm.  did soyuz eat my upload?
[03:01] <JontheEchidna> OM NOM NOM NOM
[03:02] <Hobbsee> ah, there we are.  it's come thru
[03:02] <Hobbsee> oh, *drat*
[03:03] <Hobbsee> I knew i didn't want to upload this.  What I actually wanted to do was to pass the diff off to someone else, make *them* sign it, and upload it.
[03:03] <vorian> O.o
[03:04] <Hobbsee> OTOH, i could just accept my own upload, and be done with it.
[03:04] <vorian> is it in main?
[03:04] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:04] <vorian> shucks
[03:05] <Hobbsee> oh, screw it.  there are no other main people around that i've seen for a while.
[03:05] <Hobbsee> and no other release team people.
[03:05] <vorian> :(
[03:05] <vorian> poor Hobbsee
[03:06]  * vorian gives Hobbsee a power drink
[03:06]  * Hobbsee pushes the big red button
[03:06]  * Hobbsee bounces off the walls
[03:07] <vorian> Hobbsee: can you look at the 9 extragear packages i just uploaded :)
[03:07] <vorian> (with sugar on top)
[03:08] <Hobbsee> right.  one more milestoned bug knocked off the list.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> vorian: do they need the other KDE bits to build?
[03:09] <vorian> just libs
[03:09] <vorian> hold a sec
[03:09] <vorian> oh
[03:09] <vorian> still two arc's building
[03:09] <Hobbsee> oh, we've already accepted parts of the new KDE.  that must be good enough, then.
[03:09] <vorian> ia64/hppa
[03:10] <Hobbsee> meh.  do we care?
[03:10] <vorian> :D
[03:10] <vorian> YES!
[03:10]  * vorian runs
[03:10]  * Hobbsee accepts utils and toys
[03:10] <Hobbsee> er, not toys.  pimlibs.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> vorian: mass-accepted.
[03:14] <vorian> thank ye Hobbsee
[03:14] <Hobbsee> vorian: now, i need to go kdebase-runtime, kdepimlibs, then everything else, don't i?
[03:14] <Hobbsee> for everything to build properly?
[03:14] <vorian> yes
[03:14] <Hobbsee> which means...3 publisher cycles, i guess.  darn.
[08:28] <Arby> morning all
[11:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Thanks for taking care of it.  That one was on my list for after I got back from vacation which was just ~12 hours ago.
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: no problem :)
[11:22] <Hobbsee> ScottK: as a bonus, that got uploaded before most of the new kde4 got accepted :P
[11:23] <ScottK> ;-)
[13:20] <jjesse> anyone know if there is a kde4 port of keep ?
[13:21] <JontheEchidna> I don't think anything has been relesed, but I think there is one in the works
[13:21] <jjesse> oh
[13:21] <jjesse> ok just saw over the weekend a stack of keep bugs
[13:21] <jjesse> and didn't know if there was any work going on w/ keep or not
[13:24] <Riddell> jjesse: no there's not
[13:24] <Riddell> not that I know of
[13:24] <jjesse> hrm ok so what should we do about bugs being reported against keep?
[14:22] <rgreening> Riddell: any chance on bumping desktop-effects-kde (fix bug #219729). Needs dep on kdesudo. You should have debdiff from me (If not I can resend). ty.
[14:24] <jjesse> good monring everyone
[14:24] <Riddell> rgreening: onto it
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: cool. I'm just going through all the packages I have touched trying to close off some bugs. Much appreciated.
[14:25] <rgreening> morning jjesse
[14:26] <Riddell> how does this read? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu#preview
[14:27] <jjesse> reading right now
[14:27] <Riddell> I still have no idea how to attach images to the wiki
[14:28] <jjesse> you reference upgrading from 7.10 to 8.04 is that correct?
[14:33] <Riddell> rgreening: done
[14:33] <Riddell> jjesse: no
[14:36] <rgreening> Riddell: cool
[14:38] <Riddell> rgreening: since you did such a great job last time, qt 4.4.3 is out :)
[14:39] <rgreening> Riddell: on the wiki, should you make a big note about KDE3.5 vs KDE4 as some people may not realize you cannot have KDE4.5 in Intrepid
[14:39] <Riddell> rgreening: yes, we should do that in the release notes too
[14:40] <rgreening> Riddell: I saw the announce. np in packaging (nothing changed - only update to leagalese as they changed to Nokia from Trolltech).
[14:40] <Riddell> rgreening: the debian/copyright file needs updated, it should be taken from Debian (hi fabo)
[14:41] <Riddell> qt 3.3.9 too
[14:42] <rgreening> Riddell: how do I go about updating older Hardy package from within Intrepid? pbuilder?
[14:42] <Riddell> rgreening: like what?
[14:43] <rgreening> was qt 3.3.9 your referred to in Hardy or Intrepid?
[14:43] <Riddell> intrepid
[14:43] <rgreening> oh.. nm then
[14:43] <rgreening> :)
[14:43] <rgreening> I'll look at both shortly.
[14:43]  * rgreening waiting for Oct 2 to arrive...
[14:44]  * rgreening sings "I wish they all could be California..."
[14:48] <jjesse> rgreening what is october 2 again?
[14:50] <rgreening> announce UDS people selected for Decembers summit
[14:50] <jjesse> ah well hopefully you can go then :)
[14:51]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[14:52] <Hobbsee> they eat people
[14:52] <Hobbsee> and try to throw them in pools.
[14:52] <jjesse> at UDS?
[14:53] <rgreening> Hmm.. I think I'll be the eator and not an eatee (6'7" and 289 lbs)
[14:53] <rgreening> mmm.. <munch...munch>
[14:54] <Hobbsee> yes
[15:00] <ScottK> I'm not planning on going this time.  The new sponsorship model doesn't appeal to me.
[15:01] <rgreening> ScottK: how so?
[15:01] <rgreening> just curious
[15:02] <ScottK> It used to be that you got sponsored (as I understood it) based on your contribution and a perception that your attending would be a good thing.
[15:02] <ScottK> Now you have to go to Brainstorm and find some idea to champion.
[15:02] <ScottK> If I'm going to take a week off of work to do 'work' for no pay, it'll be about what I'm interested in, not someone else.
[15:03] <rgreening> ScottK: I believe you can generate new brainstorms as well (I did for one)
[15:03] <ScottK> True.
[15:04]  * Hobbsee did, but didn't think it was appropriate for brainstorm.
[15:04] <rgreening> and there were lot's of ideas, which did happen to cross paths with my interest
[15:04] <Hobbsee> i presume you can delete ideas later, or something.
[15:04] <ScottK> I've been to part or all of the last two and really had no idea what'd be useful for me to spend time on until after I was there.
[15:05] <ScottK> It's been a while since I looked, but I did give it a detailed look once and really didn't find any ideas that made me jump up and want to work on them.
[15:05] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you can find ideas nominated for brainstorm?
[15:05] <Hobbsee> er, brainstorm ideas nominated for UDS?
[15:05] <ScottK> Dunno.
[15:05] <rgreening> I know for me, I want to start filling out the holes left by removing KDE3.5 (like re-integrate wine, I need my favorites applet back, etc)
[15:07] <ScottK> My wants tend to be pretty diverse.  In Prague I split my time pretty evenly between Kubuntu, Server, and Platform issues.
[15:07] <ScottK> Plus some Community/QA stuff too.
[15:07] <jjesse> in boston i spent most of my time in the server team
[15:07] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you were lucky.  I got stuck with IRC rubbish.
[15:07] <jjesse> hopefully in mountain veiw there will be more kubuntu related stuff
[15:08] <ScottK> Hobbsee: That's where not being involved in IRC team stuff at all pays off.
[15:08] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's true.
[15:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK: now, if only it were possible to keep ops, and not be involved in the IRC team entirely....
[15:09] <rgreening> yeah, I think Kubuntu is still behind in terms of features/integration. When something gets resolved in Gnome from Brainstorm, it doesn't seem to filter back for us to keep up. We need some sort of notification that feature x is in Gnome, and should be earmarked for KDE so we can work on it (when appropriate)
[15:10] <rgreening> like Guest Account integration into gdm.. should have had an opportunity to look at this for kdm as well as it's listed as an Intrepid feature
[15:11] <rgreening> no parity there
[15:11] <rgreening> That's what I'd like to help with for Jaunty. Try and keep some feature parity between the two where it makes sense.
[15:13] <ScottK> That was one of the targets for Hardy and some good stuff got done.  Just need to do it again.
[15:14] <Hobbsee> and gutsy, iirc.
[15:14] <jjesse> how close have we gotten in intrepid?
[15:17] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like debian qt4-4.4.2-2 re-sync'd qt-copy patches. I'll update in the 4.4.3 bump so users have a real reason to dl 4.4.3 :)
[15:22] <rgreening> Riddell: looks like some other patch changes. Will re-sync with debian on those as well for the qt4 bump.
[15:27] <rgreening> Riddell: copyright file from 4.4.2 debian and ubuntu are exactly same. am I looking at the right thing?
[15:28] <Riddell> rgreening: we want 4.4.3
[15:28] <rgreening> debian doesn't have a 4.4.3 (that I can see)
[15:29] <Riddell> http://svn.debian.org/viewsvn/pkg-kde/trunk/packages/qt4-x11/debian/copyright?rev=12291&view=auto
[15:31] <rgreening> color me uninformed :)
[15:31] <rgreening> ty
[15:32]  * rgreening busily bookmarks that site...
[16:09] <rgreening> Riddell: in updating the qt from debian, noticed that "Standards-Version: 3.8.0" but ours is 3.7.3. Should that get bumped? When is it appropriate to bump?
[16:10] <Riddell> post feature freeze I make as few changes as necessary
[16:21] <ScottK> rgreening: The Ubuntu Policy specifically calls out bumping standards version from Debian as something not to bother to do.
[16:21] <rgreening> ok. cool
[16:22] <rgreening> Riddell: do you not want me to re-sync the missing qt-copy fixes?
[16:25] <rgreening> Riddell: or was the comment about the standards ver?
[16:35] <Riddell> rgreening: it was about the standards version, I wouldn't do qt-copy updates for the same reason but others would (less to sync later)
[16:35] <Riddell> so I leave it to your discretion :)
[16:36] <rgreening> Riddell: I'll build/test them. verify safe and working. I'll also review them to see if I see any potential for bombs. If not, I'll sync up the patches. I'll have a [very] detailed changelog.
[16:37] <davmor2> Riddell: why is the first thing you're greeted with on Kubuntu Incomplete Language Support ?
[16:46] <Riddell> davmor2: we aim to be friendly
[17:05] <davmor2> Guys is there meant to be no maximise button on Konqueror?
[17:06] <JontheEchidna> that's not normal
[17:07] <Riddell> davmor2: no, that's a bug
[17:08] <gribelu> i have them..
[17:08] <gribelu> the buttons that is
[17:09] <gribelu> maybe there's something configured in the window settings thing?
[17:10] <davmor2> www.davmor2.co.uk/konq.png
[17:11] <davmor2> Riddell: ^
[17:40] <rgreening> Riddell/apachelogger: can you look here? http://paste.ubuntu.com/52136/ ... some warnings building qt4.4.3. just wondering if I should be worried and what to correct/ignore. ty.
[17:48] <smarter> rgreening: first one means that you should bump the Standards-Version in debian/control from 3.7.3 to 3.8.0
[17:48] <smarter> and adds something like "debian/control: - Bumped Standards-Version to 3.8.0, no further changes needed" to the changelog
[17:51] <davmor2> Riddell: kde3 apps have no docs under help now is this known?
[17:53] <davmor2> like K3B help->K3B handbook come up with Could not launch help centre
[17:54] <smarter> davmor2: the line about libcupsys2-dev means you should change the dep to libcups2-dev, since the other one is just a transitional package
[17:54] <stdin> ^ looks like khelpcenter isn't installed then
[17:55] <smarter> davmor2: does it work for kde4 apps?
[17:56] <smarter> davmor2: I'm not too sure about stronger-dependency-implies-weaker, since I don't see where libqt4-dev suggests them
[17:56] <davmor2> smarter: libcups2-dev what, what?
[17:57] <smarter> davmor2: huh sorry, wrong person :P
[17:57] <davmor2> phew
[17:57] <smarter> s/davmor2/rgreening/
[17:58] <stdin> smarter: try running "lintain -i qt4-x11_4.4.3-0ubuntu1_source.changes", it should print more info iirc
[17:58] <stdin> erm rgreening :p
[17:58] <smarter> :)
[17:59]  * stdin gets coffee and cold medicine
[18:08] <Riddell> davmor2: mm, docs are somewhere on my todo list
[18:08] <davmor2> beta dude ;)
[18:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think we should just drop the html dir defintion from kde4.mk
[18:22] <apachelogger> currentl it uses /usr/share/docs/kde4/HTML IIRC
[19:24] <rgreening> smarter: thanks. I'll fix the control file.
[19:40] <davmor2> the simple calculator plasmoid should it be able to handle the following correctly 147*244-35868 the answer should be 0 but it gives me -5,000,000 or number to that effect
[19:41] <rgreening> Riddell: I messed up the desktop-effects-kde debdiff. re-sending new one. FTBS cause I forgot a ',' before kdesudo in the depends. Doh!
[20:05] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Would you please look at the upstream task for bug #273018.  I don't think having a kdpf bug is really useful for something we want fixed in Okular.
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I left a comment on the upstream bug asking it to be reassigned to Okular
[20:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  Thanks.
[20:17] <JontheEchidna> yw
[20:24] <tsdgeos> is jonathan thomas around?
[20:24] <tsdgeos> JontheEchidna: that would be you?
[20:24] <JontheEchidna> Yes
[20:25] <tsdgeos> i was wondering why did you change status of bug #113191 from unconfirmed to new
[20:25] <tsdgeos> nah
[20:25] <tsdgeos> not launchpad bug you ugly bot
[20:25] <tsdgeos> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=113191
[20:25] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 113191
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> well, the feature isn't there, is it?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> so?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> are you going to manage my bugs now?
[20:26] <tsdgeos> are you going to implement it?
[20:26] <JontheEchidna> sorry
[20:26] <tsdgeos> please NEVER touch the status of a bug
[20:26] <tsdgeos> unless you have the OK from the developer
[20:26] <tsdgeos> this is a friendly warning :-)
[20:27] <tsdgeos> btw thanks for caring about kpdf bugs
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> Heh. :-) Won't happen again.
[20:27] <tsdgeos> and forwarding ubuntu bugs to poppler too
[20:27]  * rgreening ducks from the mud slingin'
[20:27] <JontheEchidna> You're welcome
[20:28] <tsdgeos> JontheEchidna: that said you can confirm bugs but not change the component?
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> yeah... kinda weird. I asked in kde-bugs for somebody to reopen a different bug and they gave me canconfirm powers
[20:29] <JontheEchidna> which doesn't help with reopening bugs at all btw ;-)
[20:29] <tsdgeos> ok
[20:29] <tsdgeos> i could give you more powers
[20:29] <tsdgeos> but not sure i should ;-)
[20:29] <tsdgeos> next time you need them
[20:29] <tsdgeos> come for me and i'll give you, ok?
[20:30] <JontheEchidna> ok
[20:31]  * tsdgeos hugs JontheEchidna 
[20:31] <tsdgeos> man don't get a bad feeling
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> :)
[20:32] <tsdgeos> we devels are just too touchy with our bugs :D
[20:32] <tsdgeos> it's miiiiiiine
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> hehe
[20:32] <tsdgeos> dinner time, bye!
[20:32] <JontheEchidna> *whew
[20:37] <rgreening> lol
[20:37]  * rgreening stands up "is it clear"
[20:38] <rgreening> :)
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> ah well, it's all good in the end
[20:39] <rgreening> 4 sure
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> well now that I've had my cardio workout for the day
[20:41] <jjesse> that was quite the interestesting coverstation
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> ooh, new plasma screencast
[20:42] <rgreening> link?
[20:45] <JontheEchidna> http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2008/09/slides-and-cast.html
[20:45]  * rgreening pulls up a chair and grabs some pop-corn
[20:58] <jcastro> is kde-guidance ubuntu specific or upstream KDE?
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> jcastro: ubuntu specific and newly-dead
[20:58] <jcastro> JontheEchidna: ok so we don't care about forwarding those bugs to ourselves right? :p
[20:59] <ScottK> jcastro: No.  Upstream to the extent there is one does look at LP in any case.
[21:17] <a|wen> g'evening all
[21:26] <ScottK> Good afternoon.
[21:30] <Riddell> hi ScottK, did motu ever take a position on blobwars
[21:31] <Riddell> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2008-August/004435.html
[21:31]  * ScottK looks
[21:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't think so, but it
[21:37] <ScottK> Riddell: ... looks pretty clear that they shouldn't be in the archive.
[21:38] <Riddell> ScottK: blobwars seems to have a dfsg versioned package now
[21:38] <Riddell> the others don't
[21:39] <ScottK> Riddell: Then I guess I'd assume it's OK and the others have to go, but I really don't know.
[21:49] <a|wen> ScottK: are you able to help with uploading a fix to hardy-backports to bug 261694 ?
[21:49] <a|wen> http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/
[21:50] <ScottK> a|wen: Yes.  I meant to ask you if you thought it was ready.
[21:51] <a|wen> ScottK: perfect ... there it is :)
[21:51] <ScottK> OK.
[21:52] <ScottK> http://awen.dk/packages/kde3.5.10/kicker-taskbar-compiz/
[21:52] <a|wen> yes
[21:53] <a|wen> ScottK: i think kicker-taskbar-compiz should be added to bug 261840 if it is going to be done at some point
[21:55] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Yes, it should be added.
[21:55] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: How goes kdepim?
[21:57] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: i've tried looking for further commits in the kde-svn; was just going to check again now ...
[21:57] <ScottK-laptop> OK.
[21:58] <rgreening> Riddell: I just e-mailed you the diff/dsc for Qt 4.4.3 sync'd with debian.
[21:58] <Riddell> is knetworkmanager working for people?
[21:58] <Riddell> thanks rgreening, that'll have to wait until after beta
[21:58] <rgreening> np
[21:58] <rgreening> I'm gonna install/test tonight. I expect no issues though.
[21:59] <rgreening> cleaned it up a lot
[21:59] <Riddell> rgreening: planning to do qt 3.3.9 as well?
[21:59] <rgreening> still more will need to be done.
[21:59] <rgreening> Riddell: yep, next on the todo
[21:59] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: i can't find out how serious it is ... i consider trying to do a test if (but as it includes a gutsy-hardy upgrade, it'll probably take a little time)
[22:00] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: I think it's OK to take some time with this.
[22:02] <ScottK-laptop> a|wen: Test building now.  I'll be back in a bit.
[22:03] <a|wen> ScottK-laptop: ok ... i'll be around for another hour or so
[22:09] <a|wen> ScottK: nothing in the upstream svn ... i'll try to see if it is reproducable when i get the chance
[23:09]  * a|wen just hit the midnight barrier ... see you tomorrow