[01:38] <Delvien> Hey guys, i have the e1000e problem. It bricked my ethernet for a bit, but it is still working great in windows. Is there any data i can submit to help ubuntu devs solve the problem?
[01:40] <Delvien> haro?
[01:50] <dm|> So in order to save my on board nic, i want to install a different one for testing, anyone know how to make intrepid recognize it?
[01:51] <jrib> Delvien: you may want to find the bug on bugs.ubuntu.com and offer there.  You're more likely to catch the devs' eyes there
[01:52] <dm|> jrib alot of people on about the e1000e ive seen.
[01:52] <dm|> jrib any idea how to set up a new nic without reinstalling? ubuntu didnt recognize it on boot.
[01:53] <jrib> dm|: nope
[01:53] <dm|> dag
[01:54] <jrib> I can offer random suggestions though
[01:54] <jrib> dm|: does it show up in lspci at least?
[01:54] <dm|> ill check again here in a min, didnt see it
[01:54] <dm|> im in windows right now. just got the ethernet back up
[02:07] <Mark_Milliman> I'm not sure about 8.10 because it breaks btnx that controls my Logitech mouse
[02:18] <dm_> mine too
[02:18] <Delvien> mine 3 ? :"D
[02:19] <Delvien> But that is not really a ubuntu thing, thats more of a 3rd party project.
[02:22] <Delvien> Man i love this new theme
[02:54] <marshall> im using a Thinkpad T61p and I think there may be something wrong with my hardware volume, in that i cant affect it. I also think my pulseaudio is pretty crappy because it stutters when i do things and wont playback when a flash application is active or has been active. is there some way i can reset all my pulse stuff to the default configs that came with ubuntu?
[03:11] <DanaG> marshall: using the packaged 0.9.10, or the PPA version 0.9.12?
[03:11] <marshall> DanaG, how do i ceck?
[03:11] <marshall> *check
[03:12] <marshall> when i installed alpha 6, i was having some sound issues
[03:12] <DanaG> pulseaudio --version
[03:12] <DanaG> pulseaudio 0.9.12
[03:12] <DanaG> that's what I've got.
[03:12] <bsnider> can someone please help me with an experiment?
[03:12] <marshall> so i added pskye's ppa and followed his instructions
[03:12] <DanaG> 0.9.12 is actually MORE dropout-ey for me, until I disable the new "glitch-free" mode.
[03:13] <marshall> yeah, ive got 0.9.12
[03:13] <DanaG> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio
[03:13] <DanaG> Note the thing about how to disable glitchfree -- it'll be something in default.pa for  the hal module.
[03:13] <DanaG> Once you disable glitchfree, 0.9.12 actually IS an improvement for me, over the 0.9.10.
[03:14] <DanaG> No longer does PA devour CPU time when I pause gstreamer apps.
[03:14] <bsnider> can someone try installing an icon set, like crashbit, for instance, and then activating it?
[03:16] <DanaG> Sure.. you mean just dropping into the gnome appearance properties?
[03:17] <bsnider> yes
[03:21] <bsnider> after you are using an icon set that doesn't ship with ubuntu, i need you to try something that requires gksu authentication, like opening synaptic
[03:25] <DanaG> Oh, if you install it as yourself, it won't be there for root.
[03:26] <DanaG> That's a known and expected behavior.
[03:26] <DanaG> You have to put things in /usr/share/icons for them to work for root.
[03:26] <bsnider> no, i'm just wondering if the authentication window comes up
[03:26] <bsnider> for me, gksu segfaults uniless i'm using a built-in iconset
[04:36] <Andre_Gondim> what is grabber, in the last update my amns stops work 'cause this grabber...
[04:38] <emet> !info flashplayer-nonfree
[04:38] <emet> !info flashplayer
[04:38] <emet> !info flashplugin-nonfree
[04:38] <emet> sorry
[04:40] <Andre_Gondim> !info grabber
[04:41] <sethbc> every time i try to upgrade from hardy to intrepid, i get a couple of errors for packages that shouldn't be installed ir errors that have to be resolved
[04:49] <danbh_intrepid> !schedule
[05:07] <ridata> How does intrepid mount usb devices differently than hardy? None of my usb devices seem to mount properly with the upgrade.
[05:08] <jimmygoon> Are major theme changes being pushed back again?
[05:09] <AirBender> newhuman rulz
[05:11] <jimmygoon> the ppa for ibex themes for hardy must not be current. I odn't have newhuman
[05:12] <jimmygoon> unless it is just this: http://phorolinux.com/images/u810a1/ubuntu810-newhuman.jpg
[05:13] <danbh_intrepid> I only have human myself...
[05:15] <Ryoushi> okay, so there's allegedly a manual fix for the whole Mono problem by installing the new 3.2 addins - however there's a small problem....
[05:15] <Ryoushi> the 3.2 addins aren't in the repos.
[05:17] <Ryoushi> Intrepid's pretty close to release, so the Ubuntu team has the option of putting it there, or explaining to all their users how they screwed up and they can't fix it.
[05:21] <danbh_intrepid> ahahahah, drive by shooting
[05:21] <Hobbsee> "the 'ubuntu team' screwed up, as ryoushi didn't do the work for getting the 3.2 addins into the system"  OK then, that sounds like a good explanation.
[05:22]  * Hobbsee wonders where the whole mono problem is documented
[06:01] <joebob777as7> any idea on when firefox crashes are going to be fixed?
[06:08] <EagleScreen> i have quite shocked by translation status of KDE on Intrepid
[06:18] <billy12> how do you log into guest from the default login screen
[07:18] <majnoon> anyone else having trouble with java in Ibex ??
[07:27] <DanaG> ARGH!
[07:27] <DanaG> PulseAudio died again.
[07:27] <DanaG> D: module-alsa-sink.c: hwbuf_unused_frames=0
[07:27] <DanaG> D: module-alsa-sink.c: setting avail_min=1
[07:27] <DanaG> I: module-alsa-sink.c: Underrun!
[07:27] <DanaG> [1]+  Killed                  pulseaudio -vv
[07:39] <DanaG> ARGH!
[07:39] <DanaG> Stupid PulseAudio keeps QUITTING.
[07:39] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/f3ab13b93
[07:40] <DanaG> "I: core.c: We are idle, quitting..." -- and who the heck told it to quit when idle?  I sure didn't!  The config files sure didn't!...
[07:53] <Cheery> hi
[07:53] <Cheery> I just noticed something really bad during my 24th bootup
[07:54] <Cheery> fsck hanged somehow when the sda1 were being checked
[07:54] <Guest33718> hello, i upgraded yesterday and now i have unconfigurable packages
[07:55] <Cheery> or well, didn't hanged but took so long without giving any feedback
[07:55] <Cheery> I don't do a bugreport yet though, lets see whether it does it again
[07:56] <Cheery> I guess I'll install updates while at it.
[08:03] <DanaG> Stupid PulseAudio server.
[08:03] <DanaG> Keeps dying.. and dying... and dying.
[08:03] <DanaG> Or rather, just randomly deciding to quit.
[08:04] <Cheery> ok, lets see now whether it still boots
[08:07]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[08:27] <pvandewyngaerde> i fixed my unconfigured packages by installing scrollkeeper
[08:31] <mnemoc> hi, any idea why human-theme and mplayer try to get updated but they don't find whatever they need to do so?
[08:47] <cwillu> DanaG, grep -ri "exit-idle-time" /etc
[08:48] <Lofde_> Wow, I am in love with the intrepid alpha 6, i like the improvements so far that ive seen from 8.04 esp wireless network detection , i was using wifi-radar, but the new thing is nice, keeps me from having to install 1 more thing
[08:48] <cwillu> mnemoc, are you ignoring a request to do a partial upgrade?
[08:49] <cwillu> mnemoc, otherwise, is it failing during the download?  (if so, you need to recheck first, just means they got updated again since you last refreshed)
[08:50] <mnemoc> cwillu: it's about a partial upgrade... but it has happened in every update
[08:50] <mnemoc> upgrade*
[08:51] <cwillu> mnemoc, like, the partial upgrade fails, or you tell it not to run?  (installing the updates after not running the partial won't install the partial)
[08:51] <cwillu> normal update-manager won't remove packages, while a partial-upgrade will
[08:52] <mnemoc> installing the updates but those 2 are left aside and when I call the update manager by hand they are listed but [install updates] button is disabled
[08:52] <mnemoc> cwillu: so I have to remove them?
[08:52] <cwillu> yes, but when the "partial upgrade" dialog pops up, what do you do?
[08:52] <mnemoc> .oO
[08:52] <cwillu> lol
[08:52] <mnemoc> don't remember :(   [no] probably
[08:52] <cwillu> hitting no won't work
[08:52] <mnemoc> ok, so [yes] next time :)
[08:52] <cwillu> partial upgrade != normal update-manager
[08:53] <cwillu> so if you tell it no, it'll just install whatever updates it can without uninstalling anything
[08:53] <cwillu> yes :)
[08:53] <mnemoc> iirc when it did [yes] it asked again and again and again
[08:54] <sufyan> hello, I am using intrepid and it is amazing, but now i am having this problem, the webpages in firefox and opera are taking a very long time to load. The download speed is perfectly fine but somehow it takes 30seconds to open google.com. any ideas
[08:54] <YetiChick> Anyone know how to get NetworkManager *not* to use a VPN connection as the default gateway?  I can use route to modify everything after it connects, but there used to be a checkbox for it.
[08:54] <mnemoc> cwillu: thanks for the enlightening :)
[08:54] <cwillu> sufyan, intrepid isn't intended for end users yet.  The only valid reason to upgrade now is to help solve these problems :)
[08:55] <YetiChick> It feels like I must be missing something...
[08:56] <cwillu> YetiChick, which vpn?
[08:56] <cwillu> YetiChick, vpnc has a routes option
[08:56] <cwillu> under edit | ipv4 settings | routes
[08:56] <cwillu> of coruse, network manager crashes when I hit that button, but I think the intent is there :p
[08:57] <cwillu> (course, not coruse)
[08:57] <sufyan> mnemoc: I understand, I think this started happening once I installed the vpn client on campus,
[08:57] <cwillu> sufyan, ya, it sounds like a dns problem (google.com isn't getting resolved for a long time)
[08:57] <cwillu> sufyan, it might be trying to connect to your campus dns server while you're not connected to the vpn, or your home dns while your are,
[08:58] <sufyan> how can i fix that, i was thinking the same thing.
[08:58] <cwillu> either way, it would wait a long time for the dns connection to time out before it tried the next one that you can actually contact
[08:58] <cwillu> no idea, you'd have to figure out which dns server you should be talking to, which one you are talking to, and so forth.  Poking around in the network-manager menu's should get you started
[08:59] <cwillu> (well, not _literally_ no idea, but you know :p)
[09:00] <YetiChick> cwillu: (nod)  Been in there.  It's...  weird.  :P  It does crash a bit, and doesn't seem to accept 0.0.0.0 as an address and can't accept "ppp0" as a gateway.
[09:00] <sufyan> haha, yes i think ill start doing that, btw I first blamed flash 10 for this, uninstalled it twice,
[09:00] <cwillu> YetiChick, gateway needs to be an address though
[09:00] <YetiChick> cwillu: There used to be a simple checkbox to *not* use the VPN as the default gateway.  Much simpler.  :)
[09:00] <cwillu> YetiChick, submit a bug :p
[09:01] <cwillu> I wonder if it's a submission to the will of it departments everywhere though
[09:01] <YetiChick> cwillu:  :)  Thanks.  I just *hate* submitting a bujg when I'm missing something obvious.
[09:01] <sufyan> should I try uninstalling vpnc?
[09:01] <cwillu> they always think that you can actually force someone to not use other networks while connected to a vpn, and so they get all uptight when linux makes it trivial to route around their brain damage :)
[09:03] <cwillu> sufyan, you should probably read up on configuring networking via the terminal so you have a better idea of what's broken.  Intrepid is still alpha/beta/otherwise-unreleased
[09:03] <YetiChick> hehe...  NetworkManager does change my resolv.conf, too, even though it's set to "Automatic (VPN) addresses only).
[09:03] <YetiChick> That one I'm pretty sure *is* a bug.
[09:03] <cwillu> The problem being that a released os has a bit more responsibility as to 'if something is broken, it's probably your fault, and so we'll help you fix it"
[09:04] <cwillu> right now, things could be broken for _any_ reason, and not many people are gonna be able to divine why your system is broken (could be a broken package, or just automatically misconfigured, or honestly misconfigured by you, the dear user :)
[09:05] <YetiChick> One of the reasons I love betas - or, in this case, alphas...  :)
[09:05] <sufyan> I am sure I did something to my system
[09:05] <cwillu> sufyan, okay, but my point is that nobody is experienced in the common ways intrepid can be misconfigured yet :)
[09:06] <cwillu> sufyan, and if you're not the type of person who _enjoys_ poking through these sorts of details, then it's not the time to upgrade :p
[09:06] <YetiChick> But, it was a lifesaver.  Upgraded to a new motherboard - with ICH10 northbridge...  And my drives went away in Hardy.  Oops.
[09:08] <klaus_wb> Hello, i installed the latest intrepid iso. i added kubuntu-kde4-desktop but canot start kde, it looks like is normal starting, but then a white screen appears
[09:08] <sufyan> cwillu, I understand, I will figure a way out, I will start off by looking at the network and vpn settings
[09:08] <cwillu> sufyan, yep.  check the contents of /etc/resolv.conf, and see if you can ping the servers listed there, as a starter
[09:09] <klaus_wb> daemon.log tells me about "scim-bridge: failed to open the panel socket"
[09:10] <klaus_wb> daemon.log tells me about "scim-bridge: failed to allocate the agent"
[09:10] <cwillu> klaus_wb, install updates and try logging in again, might just be brokenness on the iso
[09:12] <YetiChick> Wow, it's *way* late.  How did that happen?  Time flies when you're having fun.
[09:14] <sufyan> cwillu, interesting, I can not ping the first server in the list
[09:14] <YetiChick> sufyan:  That will slow down your web browsing.
[09:14] <YetiChick> sufyan: In my case, I can not get NetworkManager to stop rewriting my resolv.conf when I connect to a VPN.
[09:14] <cwillu> nah, the interesting part is _why_ you can't ping the first server, I already told you that you couldn't ping it :p
[09:15] <cwillu> YetiChick, aka, sufyan's problem is probably unsolvable until they fix it :)
[09:15] <YetiChick> sufyan:  Unfortunately, one of the VPNs I use returns two addresses for DNS to the DHCP query - only one of which works.
[09:15] <cwillu> sorry, I'm feeling snippy today :p
[09:16] <sufyan> cwillu: YetiChick: why is resolv.conf mentioning uottawa.ca? THE VPN
[09:16] <YetiChick> So I'm currently editing it by hand after I connect to put it back to my local DNS server.
[09:17] <YetiChick> sufyan:  When you connect, the VPN server is returning DNS servers as part of it's DHCP reply, most likely.
[09:17] <YetiChick> sufyan:  One of which is itself.
[09:17] <YetiChick> sufyan: That
[09:17] <cwillu> ugh, they'
[09:18] <YetiChick> sufyan: That's what is happening with one of my own, as well.
[09:18] <cwillu> they're still using the platform dhcp client, aren't they
[09:18] <YetiChick> I'd not be surprised.
[09:18] <klaus_wb> no ideas ?
[09:19] <sufyan> I am just wondering where I need the internet more.
[09:19] <cwillu> klaus_wb, I try to avoid kde as much as possible, sorry
[09:20] <YetiChick> sufyan: If possible, it's usually best to use your ISP for browsing and the VPN for specific machines on the private network.
[09:20] <cwillu> klaus_wb, have you installed plain kubuntu-desktop?  kde4 might be depending on something that isn't listed in its own dependencies
[09:20] <klaus_wb> cwillu, oh, why? too buggy?
[09:20] <cwillu> klaus_wb, just a hunch, but my hunches have been good today :)
[09:21] <cwillu> klaus_wb, too buggy, too many poorly thoughtout options
[09:21] <klaus_wb> i installed kubtuntu-kde4-desktop without kubuntu-desktop
[09:21] <cwillu> I used it for a few years while gnome had no usable print dialog, switched back the moment they fixed it
[09:21] <sufyan> YetiChick: ok, how are you going to deal with this problem?
[09:21] <cwillu> ya, uninstall/purge kde4, and then install both at the same time, see what that gets you
[09:22] <klaus_wb> cwillu, thank you, i will give it a try :)
[09:23] <YetiChick> sufyan:  Oh, I'm just going to put together a bash script that sets up my routes and DNS and run it after I connect to the VPN - 'til the issues are addressed.  And file a bug or two.  :)
[09:24] <klaus_wb> cwillu, maybe it is not: removing kubuntu-kde4-desktop frees 40kb. installing both at once tells me "selecting kubuntu-desktop instead of kubuntu-kde4-desktop"
[09:24] <klaus_wb> (would use 20kb)
[09:24] <YetiChick> sufyan:  However, these problems were not present in 8.04.  If you don't have a pressing reason like I do, you might want to consider using that instead of the alpha.
[09:25] <YetiChick> sufyan: There was an issue regarding DHCP in NetworkManager that caused the thing to not show VPN entries at all if you were not using DHCP for your main netowkr config.  Not sure if that's fixed yet.
[09:25] <cwillu> klaus_wb, no idea then, although I'd be suspicious if kubuntu-desktop marks any other packages for installation thatn kde4 doesn't unmark
[09:27] <YetiChick> But it was easy enough to work around by setting up a static DHCP entry.
[09:27] <sufyan> YetiChick: 8.04 again, hmmm. I am going to bed, will figure something out, probably use 8.04 till this is fixed. Have fun bugging, debugging or DHCP'ing it
[09:28] <YetiChick> sufyan:  Good luck!  :)
[09:28] <klaus_wb> cwillu, i think all kde pkgs are installed. but wonder why i cannot install kubuntu-kde4-desktop anymore, it tells me selecting kubuntu-desktop instead
[09:29] <YetiChick> Ugh.  4:30 AM.  I guess I'll go to bed too.  Anyone who is still awake:  Good night!  :)
[09:30] <klaus_wb> 10:30 am :) just awake ...
[09:34] <klaus_wb> moin prometoys
[09:35] <prometoys> hallo klaus, kennen wir uns :)
[09:36] <klaus_wb> glaube nicht, doch die amis schlafen wohl alle und deine ip sah bekannt aus :)
[09:37] <prometoys> danke für die nette begrüßung,
[09:37] <klaus_wb> :)
[09:37] <cwillu> 2:30am, just getting my head around the mathematical expression of bayes theorem
[09:38] <klaus_wb> du hast auch keine idee, hab das prob dass nach der kde4-installation kde nicht startet "scim-bridge: failed to open the panel socket"
[09:39] <prometoys> ne, sorry, kenn mich mit kde nicht aus
[09:40] <klaus_wb> vielleicht sollte ich mich auch mit gnome anfreunden :)
[09:41] <mnemoc> aus Englisch hier bitte
[09:42] <klaus_wb> maybe i should prefer gnome instead of non-working-kde4.1
[09:42] <mnemoc> thanks :)
[09:43] <prometoys> no problem,
[09:43] <prometoys> If I have time I will have a look at kde4
[09:44] <schmidtm> Had the same problem - just removed scim-bridge* and it works again
[09:44] <prometoys> it's seems to have a lot of interesting concepts, and I love broken system :D ( I started with gnome 2.2 ...)
[09:44] <cwillu> kde isn't for me.  I really have no interest in playing in a sandbox when I do my playing, and I have no interest in playing at all when I'm trying to work :p
[09:44] <cwillu> if I'm in the mood to deal with breakage, I install ubuntu+1 :p
[09:45] <klaus_wb> removing scim-bridge ? ha, if its so easy, why didnt i try it ..
[09:45] <ccooke> What was the problem with scim-bridge?
[09:45] <klaus_wb>  "scim-bridge: failed to open the panel socket"
[09:46] <klaus_wb> ... kde wont start (except failsafe-terminal)
[09:49] <klaus_wb>  i removed scim-bridge-client-gtk (there is no scim-bridge)
[09:49] <klaus_wb>  but messages still appear
[09:49] <schmidtm> the * was just a placeholder for all scim-bridge clients
[09:51] <schmidtm> the problem is not only displaying the message but also starting apps auite slow - if they start. the last is fixed by removing scim-bridge clients
[09:51] <klaus_wb>  oops, indead, there are a some ...
[09:51] <klaus_wb> ahm indeed
[09:53] <schmidtm> i really hope they provide a better fix for that issue soon
[09:53] <klaus_wb>  hmm .. still white screen
[09:54] <klaus_wb>  without scim-bridge error-messages
[09:56] <klaus_wb>  where can i see the message of the crash-handler?
[09:57] <klaus_wb>  i thought i removed scim
[09:57] <klaus_wb>  but many entrys of scim-panel-gtk are in ps-list
[09:59] <klaus_wb>  ok, removing scim :)
[10:00] <klaus_wb>  pff, 76 times scim-panel-gtk pff
[10:03] <klaus_wb>  scim removed, but still only white-screen
[10:13] <joebob777as7> any idea on when firefox crashes are going to be fixed?
[10:14] <RAOF> joebob777as7: Probably at about the same time as world peace is achieved.
[10:14] <joebob777as7> RAOF, awesome!
[10:15] <RAOF> joebob777as7: Less snarkily: your question includes insufficient information to be answered.  _Which_ firefox crashes are you talking about? :)
[10:15] <joebob777as7> bah too late. ne way night all
[10:16] <cwillu> joebob777as7, firefox crashes are caused by flash.  when flash is fixed, or you stop using flash, or a means is found to allow flash to crash without crashing firefox, the firefox crashes will go away
[10:17] <cwillu> you can install nspluginwrapper, which will fix the third case, or you can uninstall the flash10 beta and pulseaudio (and deal with the loss of features, such as mixing), or you can wait until flash10 is actually released :p
[10:33] <Lofde_> omg this game is so freakin scary
[10:39] <scizzo-> Lofde_: irc?
[10:43]  * cwillu shreaks and hides behind a rock
[10:45] <Lofde_> scizzo-,  no this game, for ps3, condemned 2: bloodshot.... keeps scaring the living h3ll out of me
[10:55] <Lofde_> audacious just crashed, now theres like a "duh-duh-duh-duh" audio repeating over and over again, how do i clear that off and reset the audio system ASLA i guess without logging out and logging back in (or restarting) :(
[11:22]  * cwillu tackles Cwiiis 
[11:32] <Linux_Galore> I just looked inside my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and there is little if anything in there, is this normal and what do you edit now ?
[11:33] <Cwiiis> cwillu: I don't really need to be in this channel come to think of it... But I'm going to stay for the amusement :)
[11:35] <cwillu> Linux_Galore, the usual options works, but the intent is that everything is configured automatically
[11:35] <cwillu> Linux_Galore, xrandr should suffice for most configurables
[11:36] <cwillu> Linux_Galore, afaik, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg will still give you a conventional xorg.conf, but that's deprecated, and will hopefully go away soon
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> I have a HD4850 and Im just poking around to see how to set it up with intrepid
[11:36] <cwillu> ati?
[11:36] <Linux_Galore> yes
[11:36] <cwillu> fglrx is broken right now :p
[11:37] <cwillu> ati needs to release a driver for xorg 1.5, it's expected in october (which will be cutting things kinda close, not sure what the plan is)
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> apparenlty the official ati installer works with hardy, not sure about intrepid
[11:37] <cwillu> doesn't work
[11:37] <cwillu> xorg 1.5 isn't binary compatible
[11:37] <Linux_Galore> well as long as I can open web pages and watch my video's im not to fussed
[11:37] <cwillu> of course, this shouldn't _really_ matter to you, as you aren't running intrepid on a machine you actually _need_, right?   Right?
[11:38] <cwillu> Right.  :)
[11:38] <Linux_Galore> I had no choice with this machine
[11:38] <Linux_Galore> its N E W
[11:39] <Linux_Galore> hardy doesnt have the kernel drivers to support the new Intel P45 chipset
[11:39] <Splex> anyone know how to get the x4500 to work with opengl 2.1?
[11:40] <Linux_Galore> considering the Intel P45 chipset was released after Hardy that doesnt surprise me
[11:41] <nuts> no tray icon for Transmission now?
[11:41] <Linux_Galore> I feel sorry for the Kubuntu maintainers, god talk about wall to wall bugs in kde 4
[11:42] <defrysk> nuts, sure there is , it in the plugin section to set it up
[11:42] <Splex> afaik, gnome tray is designed to only be used for notification, not as a taskbar... so i believe gnome-compliant apps do not put a tray icon
[11:42] <nuts> defrysk, i don;t see plugins in the preferences
[11:42] <defrysk> Splex, transmission docks pidgin docks, rhythmbox docks
[11:43] <defrysk> nuts, edit and then look above prefs
[11:43] <Splex> defrysk: http://www.go-evolution.org/FAQ#Can_I_minimize_the_Evolution_window_to_the_system_tray.3F
[11:44] <defrysk> Splex, I dont use evolution
[11:44] <Linux_Galore> I had a real nightmare getting the Intrepid install (alternate or desktop) to work on my Intel P45 rig, in the end I selected "use driver update CD" in the options and blow me it worked lol
[11:44] <Splex> defrysk: they explain the what the gnome tray is for.  take a look
[11:44] <defrysk> Splex, I use it as I please, not as THEY please
[11:44] <nuts> defrysk, Edit> Select all | Deselect all | Preferences  -  no plugins
[11:45] <Splex> defrysk: thats the beauty of the open source world... freedom to choose how to use things... but it may be why transmission doesn't do so by default
[11:45] <defrysk> nuts , one sec
[11:46] <defrysk> nuts tic tray icon in the view section
[11:46] <defrysk> Splex, possibly
[11:47] <cwillu> Splex, conveniently, receiving new mail falls under the category of 'informing the user of events' :p
[11:47] <nuts> defrysk, yeah that did it.. i never thought looking in there.. i only checked preferences over and over
[11:47] <defrysk> the gnome hig exaggerates sometimes a bit
[11:48] <cwillu> Splex, is also specifically used as a place for long running daemons to interact with the user (re: nm-applet, gnome-power-manager, etc)
[11:48] <Splex> yes
[11:48] <defrysk> fusion icon goes innit too
[11:49] <cwillu> (bittorrent clients)
[11:49] <defrysk> xchat does too
[11:49] <Splex> right, just because some apps do, doesn't mean they are adhering to the gnome guidelines
[11:50] <Splex> that tray area is called the 'notification area'
[11:50] <cwillu> Splex, then I guess you'd better work on getting the network applet out, as it has no more business being there than a torrent app
[11:50] <defrysk> for me its a docking area also
[11:51] <defrysk> and transmission is a gnome-hig app afaIk
[11:52] <defrysk> its even one of the gnome default apps
[11:53] <Splex> panel applets are more suitable for that purpose...
[11:53] <Splex> (reading the gnome document on this)
[11:53] <Splex> http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/stable/desktop-notification-area.html.en
[12:32] <cwillu> Boom!
[12:32] <cwillu> blam!
[12:32] <cwillu> firefox is gone
[12:58] <skyjumper> anyone else having trouble with the nvidia (and nv) drivers?
[12:58] <virtuelv> does anyone know the status of the e1000e bug?
[12:58] <defrysk> skyjumper, nvidia seems to have probs with the current xorg
[12:59] <defrysk> virtuelv, afaIk still unresolved
[12:59] <virtuelv> defrysk: shame, really
[12:59] <skyjumper> defrysk: should 'nv' be broken also?
[12:59] <virtuelv> because in every other respect, 8.10 looks to be a good release
[13:00] <skyjumper> virtuelv: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555
[13:00] <defrysk> virtuelv, 2.6.27 kernel is not stable yet
[13:00] <defrysk> skyjumper, not sure but I think nv should work vide
[13:00] <defrysk> fine
[13:01] <virtuelv> defrysk: I am aware of that, it's just that I came to 8.10 for a lot of the other updates
[13:02] <virtuelv> I can live without a wired network for some time still
[13:19] <Splex_> anyone know how to get i915 drm >= 1.8 so i can use mesa opengl 2.1?
[13:35] <teoti> I recently made the switch to ibex and sound was working up until about 2 days ago when I installed a list of updates that were available. can anyone assist me in getting set back up with sound?
[13:36] <teoti> http://pastebin.com/db59e703  is a copy of the error I get when testing sound and my lsmod
[13:53] <gribelu> humm i just updated Intrepid and i get this when updating libc6: /var/lib/dpkg/info/libc6.postinst: line 376: 32453 Segmentation fault      (core dumped) init u
[13:59] <teoti> gribelu....I did some google search, found this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glibc/+bug/88673
[13:59] <teoti> Dunno if it will help you though
[13:59] <teoti> I wish my sound would work >.<
[13:59] <teoti> was working fine now its not
[14:03] <gribelu> teoti: not too helpfull no.. different version, different segfault
[14:03] <teoti> Didn't think so
[14:03] <gribelu> oh well everything seems to be working still :D
[14:03] <teoti> Yea you shouldn't experience any issues with it
[14:07] <teoti> you any good with sound gribelu?
[14:07] <teoti> :P
[14:08] <gribelu> why?
[14:08] <teoti> mine stopped working with recent updates
[14:08] <gribelu> ah your question
[14:08] <teoti> http://pastebin.com/db59e703  is a copy of the error I get when testing sound and my lsmod
[14:08] <teoti> yep
[14:10] <gribelu> no clue..
[14:10] <gribelu> but try checking the logs for any usefull errors
[14:14] <los|s> is pulseaudio better configured in intrepid?
[14:31] <yao_ziyuan> kde4 in intrepid no longer crashes now
[14:34] <Pici> Darn, we'll need to fix that then.
[14:35] <los|s> lol
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> but it has a new problem:
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> it often dies when i open an opengl game such as supertux and supertuxkart
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> supertux is worse
[14:42] <yao_ziyuan> try sudo apt-get install supertux and see
[14:43] <yao_ziyuan> run it at three different times and it's almost certain your system will die at one time
[14:44] <zniavre> 63mo    o_O
[14:45] <yao_ziyuan> 63mo is nothing if you use a fast mirror
[14:45] <yao_ziyuan> such as iinet.net.au
[14:46]  * Hobbsee hasn't seen that
[14:46] <teoti> my desktop effects wont start anymore :( and glxinfo is crashing :( And now my sound isnt working. Ibex is falling apart here
[14:47] <zniavre> i cant' go up to 245k/s even on fastest mirror
[14:47] <zniavre> it works
[14:51] <zniavre> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/187396/%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20tux2.png
[14:52] <zniavre> oops sorry
[14:58] <teoti> zniavre....what are you using for your screens a the top?
[14:58] <teoti> *at
[14:59] <zniavre> awn slickswitchter applet
[14:59] <teoti> kool thanks
[15:00] <teoti> now to get my desktop effects and compiz running again :P
[15:00] <teoti> be back in a bit going totry to figure this out
[15:00] <zniavre> :O)
[15:02] <ikt> if my network isn't working at all, what's the best way to figure out what is causing the problem?
[15:07] <xukun> !ubuntu
[15:07] <xukun> ! Intrepid Ibex
[15:09] <outbri> !intrepid
[15:14] <xukun> where can I download the alpha 6?
[15:18] <mickep> xukun: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/alpha6 , scroll down to "Download Alpha 6"
[15:24] <xukun> mickep, thanks
[16:01] <cwillu> oooo, libc update!
[16:01] <cwillu> time for something to break!
[16:40] <rafaelmf> an dist-upgrade right now show:  libc6 (2.8~20080505-0ubuntu7)... Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[16:40] <rafaelmf> and crash telinit app
[16:41] <mickep> I did get that crash
[16:52] <_Enchained> Hi
[16:52] <_Enchained> Can someone confirm that : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/easytag/+bug/275932
[17:14] <zerwas_> With the last updates, networking does not work anymore. (eth0 does not show up in ifconfig). network card is  RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller
[17:15] <zerwas_> and on trying to start nm-applet i get: nm-applet: error while loading shared libraries: libplds4.so.0d: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[17:19] <zerwas_> brb
[17:21] <knittl> hi everybody. power history tells me my battery voltage is 330V (and still getting higher), is my battery about to explode?
[17:34] <CarlFK> knittl: I think it already did :)
[17:34] <knittl> it's new (only three weeks old)
[17:34] <knittl> i hope it's only a display bug in ubuntu
[17:46] <lubosz> hi
[17:47] <danbh_intrepid> I need help removing a package that is crashing out on the removal process
[17:48] <lubosz> i cant type the "/\" like character
[17:48] <lubosz> ° is possible
[17:48] <lubosz> and anything else!
[17:48] <lubosz> "/&()$/="/$?%(=?"%)%?!
[17:48] <danbh_intrepid> ^ ?
[17:48] <lubosz> right :D
[17:50] <lubosz> i tried some layouts, and the keyboard is correct too
[17:52] <peterx> Does the newest fglrx work with Intrepid?
[17:53] <danbh_intrepid> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52140/    can anyone help with this?
[17:54] <knittl> why is my voltage still rising?
[17:59] <ianliu_88> is beta releasing on day 2?!
[18:01] <mnemoc> hi, if my vlc is missing realrtsp support, is it a bug or i'm missing a package?
[18:02] <danbh_intrepid> mnemoc: can I help you test?  I have vlc
[18:02] <mnemoc> danbh_intrepid: rtsp://live.media.rai.it/broadcast/radiouno.rm
[18:04] <danbh_intrepid> im getting a cannot connect error
[18:05] <knittl> http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg1041575.html
[18:06] <knittl> good, software bug
[18:06] <mnemoc> danbh_intrepid: --enable-realrtsp is not on the list
[18:07] <danbh_intrepid> mnemoc: Im getting the same error on other test streams as well, and my totem is broken as well.  SO,  I'm bugged out!
[18:09] <mnemoc> :D
[18:09] <mnemoc> mplayer plays it
[18:09] <mnemoc> and vlc too, if configured with --enablerealrtsp
[18:12] <mnemoc> ok, bug filed
[18:13] <danbh_intrepid> mnemoc: well, good that its working for you.  That just causes it to crash for me
[18:23] <C10uD> hello there
[18:24] <C10uD> i have a little issue
[18:24] <C10uD> i just changed motherboard and cpu
[18:24] <C10uD> still, ubuntu works flawlessly
[18:24] <C10uD> there's only a little problem, my pci tv card and my usb webcam seem not working anymore
[18:26] <C10uD> i'm just unsure on which files i should check
[18:38] <lubosz> is the new VLC only available as QT?
[18:40] <ktwo> hi anyone here using an ati 3600 series on intrepid? i cant use fglrx right now is that true? (it wants to deinstall x.org 7.4)
[18:48] <burner> lubosz: that's how its built now... qt
[18:49] <lubosz> no gtk anymore :( ?
[18:49] <burner> it wasn't gtk before
[18:49] <burner> it was wxwidgets
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there
[18:54] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I am trying ecryptfs but... where is the encrypted data???
[18:55] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I mean when I umount it there is *nothing* in the directory
[19:11] <grimboy> Hmm... For some reason rhythmbox is using OSS (/dev/dsp) at the moment. (Which is incidently the only sound working.) It's *really* loud on full volume (as in: not just is this damaging my ears but is this damaging my headphones). It was working with pulseaudio + alsa emulation where appropriate before.
[19:14] <grimboy> Also I've got really jerky scrolling up in terminals. Even after uninstalling disabling hardware acceleration and xgl etc. I can't seem to track down information on these issues.
[19:17] <grimboy> I suppose I might have to create a couple of bug reports. Worst that can happen is they get closed as dupes by someone with better search-fu than me.
[19:20] <bronson> Does anybody have ndiswrapper working on Intrepid?
[19:20] <bronson> It's failing for me...  wondering if I should try Hardy.
[19:22] <francisco_t> Hi, aptitude shows me all packages as obsoletes, is this a problem??
[19:23] <DanaG> !find ssl.h
[19:23] <DanaG> !find openssl/ssl.h
[19:23] <DanaG> Grrr.
[19:28] <skyjumper> anyone heard of an issue with nv/nvidia drivers causing a black screen, from which you cant ctrl-alt-f1 or ctrl-alt-backspace out of?
[19:32] <e\ectro_> is anyone elese getting the X error where "Maximum number of clients reached" prevents you from opening any X applications?
[19:36] <Seren__> hi I have some vlc package which have been kept back
[19:36] <Seren__> should I force the upgrade ?
[19:37] <Seren__> The following packages have been kept back:
[19:37] <Seren__>   gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gwenview kde-guidance-powermanager mozilla-plugin-vlc mplayer vlc vlc-nox vlc-plugin-pulse
[19:46] <AirBender> Pidgin is crashing when trying to send a tar.gz file, can't send the crash report due to launchpad issues
[19:46] <marshall> DanaG, hey, yesterday you told me something about disabling glitch-free mode in PA and gave me this link: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/GlitchFreeAudio
[19:47] <marshall> DanaG, im not seeing where it says how to disable it. what does disabling it do exactly?
[19:49] <ruschi> Hi on kubuntu 8.10 I realized strange behavior concerning Icons: in the application menu I can see a firefox-icon. When added to favourites or to the panel the icon disappears (is substituted by a generic gears icon).
[19:49] <ruschi> can anyone confirm this behavior?
[19:50] <francisco_t> I confirm :)
[19:50] <Pretto> here it worked as expected
[19:56] <francisco_t> ruschi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/275466
[19:57] <ruschi> ok - thanks
[20:02] <bardyr> Hey has anybody successfully changed the virtual terminal resolution?
[20:05] <becky__> has the whole intel e1000 eeprom issue been fixed if I want to update to latest alpha packages?
[20:05] <defrysk> no
[20:08] <marshall> i just found /proc/acpi/ibm/volume and Id like to change my hardware volume on my thinkpad. does anybody know how i could go about doing that?
[20:57] <coil7237> I'm setting my ip/subnet using exalt, static ip.  But it keeps reverting to dhcp, knocking me offline.  What application, exalt, other, would keep doing this? (excuse the cross post, the other channel's a bit busy
[20:58] <ingo0815> how can i install flash under 64bit ? someone in ubuntu-de told me i must install ndiswrapperplugin
[20:58] <ingo0815> but what now ?
[20:58] <coil7237> I thought I removed the dhcp daemon, i can't remember it's name right now
[20:58] <joshtheitguy> quick question, I can't seem to find the command to update Kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10 Alpha 6
[21:01] <myk_robinson> hey. can anyone confirm if Intel 3954ABG wifi works without issues on the new kernel for Intrpeid?
[21:02] <ingo0815> sorry ist nspluginwrapper not ndiswrapperplugin
[21:07] <BUGabundo> hya
[21:07] <BUGabundo> against what should I report bad keyboards assignments?
[21:25] <maxb> I've upgraded to intrepid, and in the process gone from madwifi -> ath5k wireless driver. Now the wireless doesn't seem able to fully connect. it is associating but not managing to complete WPA authentication. I am using NetworkManager at the moment in an entirely GUI fashion. Where do I need to go hunt on disk for actual logs which might help?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> maxb: dmesg and syslog usually help
[21:28] <BUGabundo> maxb: try alt+f2 -> gnome-system-log
[21:32] <maxb> hmm, it's certainly logging stuff, but it seems to be just silently failing and restarting the connection attempt over and over again :-(
[21:33] <maxb> "supplicant connection state change: 4 -> 0" after the the state was increasing
[21:34] <maxb> I wonder if there's a good document on "How not to use NetworkManager? it's wonderful when it works, but all a bit hideously black-box when it doesn't"
[21:35] <BUGabundo> just ping asac
[21:35] <BUGabundo> he is the one behind it maxb
[22:25] <Delvien> Is there any built in features within 8.10 to map a mouse button?
[22:35] <bronson> Is ndiswrapper working for anyone?
[22:35] <bronson> It's failing for my D-Link DWA-142.
[23:24] <Delvien_> man xbindkeys is crap. *misses btnx*