[15:24] <Rafik> hello
[15:25] <Rafik> I would like to add #ubuntu-arabic to the channels list
[15:27] <Rafik> Can I simply add it to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat or is there any process i have to follow
[15:30] <Pici> Is this a LoCo?
[15:44] <Rafik> Pici, yes, it's a team for support in Arabic language
[15:44] <Rafik> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-arabic
[15:46] <Rafik> more info in English : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ubuntu-Arabic/Proposal
[15:56] <Pici> Rafik: Hm.. looks good to me.  Have you seen our IRC channel setup documents: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcTeam/Coordination ?
[16:01] <Rafik> Pici, yes.
[17:31] <LjL> Rafik, there is already a LoCo channel for arabic, though
[17:31] <LjL> !sa
[17:33] <Rafik> LjL, thanks
[17:34] <Rafik> sa is for Saudi Arabia, however is a single country while there is 21 others with Arabic as official language
[17:34] <LjL> that's true
[17:34] <LjL> but it says for the arabic language *or* saudi arabia
[17:35] <LjL> it's not merely for people from saudi arabia
[17:35] <Rafik> yes
[17:35] <LjL> in my opinion, it would be better to have one place for support in one language
[17:35] <Rafik> we wanted to have a single team for the arabic language, that's wy we created Ubuntu-arabic
[17:35] <Rafik> for the language, not geographical location
[17:36] <LjL> i see
[17:36] <LjL> are you in contact with the saudi arabia team too?
[17:36] <Rafik> Syntux did
[17:37] <Rafik> ubuntu-arabic is supposed to be the union of all arabic LoCos
[17:37] <LjL> that sounds like a good idea to me
[17:37] <Rafik> yep, thanks
[17:38] <LjL> i'm just unsure about the channel name. all other local support channels follow the two-letters thing...
[17:38] <LjL> although there is, i admit, an overlap between loco and support
[17:39] <Rafik> ar is for Argentina, so for Arabic I don't see how to name it differently
[17:39] <LjL> no, you're right, the rule is country abbreviation
[17:39] <LjL> in other channels it simply works like this
[17:39] <Rafik> hey Syntux
[17:39] <Rafik> yes
[17:40] <LjL> the teams involved decide on one channel to "sacrifice" for support (so to say)
[17:40] <Syntux> Good day
[17:40] <LjL> mind, i'm not sure that's the best idea, either...
[17:40] <LjL> hello Syntux
[17:40] <Rafik> Syntux, we are talking about #ubuntu-arabic
[17:40] <Syntux> Good day LjL :-)
[17:40] <Syntux> what about it ?
[17:41] <LjL> mostly just the name, as far as i can see, which i'm not sure about
[17:41] <LjL> Syntux: as far as the rest go, you can confirm it's a joint effort between arabic-speaking teams to provide support?
[17:42] <Syntux> LjL, sure, I can confirm that, it's one of our goals
[17:43] <Syntux> We planned to request changes from IRC team and Ubuntu website to refer to #Ubuntu-Arabic instead of SA and to Ubuntu Arabic instead of Israeli team on the website but we thought it's better to do so when we are approved.
[17:43] <Syntux> but it would be wonderful if we can get that kind of recognition now.
[17:43] <Rafik> Syntux, however sa isn't approved yet
[17:43] <LjL> wait - instead of the israeli team?
[17:44] <Syntux> LjL, yeah, if you check http://www.ubuntu.com/support/local you will find that Israeli team is listed for Arabic support when they cannot provide support in Arabic language.
[17:45] <Syntux> I believe that was at time when none of us existed but now we should take that responsibility and maybe extend anything Israeli team has built for Arabic support.
[17:45] <LjL> uh, you know what, i wasn't even aware of that page
[17:45] <LjL> !irc
[17:46] <Syntux> you know, it's the time to file a bug against that point, I'm doing it now
[17:46] <LjL> Syntux: well yes, the israeli part just seems wrong, unless there's something i'm missing...
[17:47] <LjL> !il
[17:47] <Syntux> LjL, as I mentioned, maybe they were the closest to support Arab user before we exists but now we should take the responsibility.
[17:47] <Syntux> LjL, you know Arabic language is formal in Israeli at least IIRC
[17:47] <LjL> i see
[17:48] <LjL> well, did you discuss it with the israeli team anyway?
[17:49] <Syntux> LjL, No, I tried to contact some of them to discuss another issue but we had communication problem; I don't know Hebrew and they aren't good in English.
[17:49] <Rafik> Syntux, in arabic ?
[17:50] <Syntux> LjL, anyhow, I'm not sure if it's critical, I mean if there is an Arabic team then it's the Arabic interface and all Arabic related issues should be forwarded to the team instead of any other team.
[17:50] <Syntux> Rafik, it wasn't an option.
[17:50] <LjL> well, for me it's critical that irc people involved in related projects (or for that matter, overlapping projects) are properly communicating
[17:51] <LjL> lack of that easily results in a mess, in my experience
[17:51] <LjL> if they don't speak arabic though, then the information about that on the ubuntu.com page must be just plain wrong...
[17:51] <Syntux> LjL, I believe so, a plain wrong :-)
[17:52] <Rafik> shall we join #ubuntu-website ? :)
[17:52] <LjL> maybe, though i'd like to ask an israeli team member about it, too
[17:53] <LjL> there must be one who speaks english
[17:53] <Rafik> LjL, or may be we should write them in Arabic ?
[17:54] <Syntux> LjL, Rafik LP bug 275971
[17:54] <Syntux> LjL, yeah we should fine one who can communicate in English or Arabic to get it done
[17:55] <Syntux> LjL, but reviewing the history and what we currently have tells that it's plain wrong, on the website they listed Hebrew team and on IRC they recognize -SA team.
[17:55] <Syntux> I believe something went wrong or something were lost in translation :-)
[18:00] <Rafik> Syntux, <Ddorda> there is no Arabic support here
[18:00] <Rafik> on #ubuntu-il
[18:00] <LjL> Ddorda is an Israel Team member, so that should be accurate
[18:01] <Rafik> yes
[18:13] <LjL> !sa
[18:13] <LjL> what does the arabic part say?
[18:15] <LjL> (aside from probably being in the wrong order)
[18:17] <LjL> Rafik, Syntux?
[18:26] <Rafik> i'm back, sorry
[18:27] <Rafik> "for Arabic language please join"
[18:27] <Rafik> LjL
[18:28] <LjL> thanks
[18:28] <Rafik> you welcome
[18:28] <Rafik> will you update it ?
[18:28] <LjL> Rafik: can you translate "For the Saudi Arabia local team, please join ..." for me?
[18:30] <Rafik> what about " The Saudi Arabia loco team channel" => قناة الفريق المحلي للعربية السعودية
[18:31] <Rafik> or best
[18:32] <Rafik>  للانظمام لقناة الفريق المحلي للعربية السعودية :
[18:32]  * Nafallo can see weird characters
[18:32] <LjL> that works
[18:32] <Rafik> to join the Saudi Arabia loco team channel
[18:32]  * LjL can see weird characters too, they say "Nafallo", weird and funny sequence of letter...
[18:33] <Nafallo> :-)
[18:33]  * Rafik ايضا يرى ذلك
[18:33] <Rafik> (see that too)
[18:34] <Nafallo> I was more... my irssi works! :-P
[18:34] <Nafallo> can see UTF-8 and stuff
[18:34] <LjL> !no sa is <reply> For Arabic language support, please join #ubuntu-arabian  للغة العربية رجاء انظم - For the Saudi Arabia team, join #ubuntu-sa للانظمام لقناة الفريق المحلي للعربية السعودية
[18:34] <LjL> !sa
[18:34] <LjL> Rafik: does that read right in your client?
[18:34] <LjL> err, except i wrote -arabian
[18:35] <LjL> !no sa =~ s/arabian/arabic/
[18:35] <LjL> !sa =~ s/arabian/arabic/
[18:35] <Nafallo> !sa
[18:35] <LjL> !arabic is <alias> sa
[18:35] <LjL> !arabic
[18:36] <LjL> !-arabic
[18:36] <Rafik> I'll rewrite for !sa and give another for !arabic
[18:37] <LjL> Rafik: perhaps better to have them in the same factoid, at least for now, as people in #ubuntu are probably used to giving !sa to arabic speakers
[18:37] <Rafik> ok
[18:40] <LjL> surely, editing stuff written half left-to-right and half right-to-left is a mess :|