| ogra-maemo | i'll set up a PPA next week,there we can prepare newer packages... currently i'm still a bit busy getting the images built in the datacenter though | 00:01 |
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| persia | rhp: You can certainly apt-get install on a live image. Be warned that you're limited in the size of our changes, because the overlay to the unionfs lives in tmpfs, so if you want a lot of changes, you'll want to do them to the image itself. | 00:26 |
| davidm | persia, do you mind if we have a catch up call sometime in the next couple of hours instead of tomorrow? I'll be in Oregon and it might be easier for me tonight. | 00:37 |
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| rhp | persia: clear enough. First things first, though. Without wifi I will not get very far. Any idea's why my nic is recognized as wired? In the 'regular' ubuntu releases I never had that problem. | 07:43 |
| persia | rhp: It's a different kernel. I'm not sure why it reports it that way for you. I'm finding some oddnesses with network interfaces as well. | 07:45 |
| rhp | Hm... | 07:47 |
| rhp | Since I broke my laptop on de mccaslin image last night, I figure I might as well install 8.10 on it. That opens the possibility to create my own image. | 07:47 |
| rhp | I'll be doing that tonight to see if I get any further. | 07:48 |
| persia | rhp: Good luck. Did the mccaslin image not work? | 07:50 |
| rhp | As soon as I noticed it started screwing up my partition table I shut down the laptop in hopes of being able to restore it (but no)... after that I didn't try again. Might as well though, since it is broken anyway. | 07:52 |
| persia | Yeah. It's broken now, but it ought have the mccaslin environment installed if you try again. Sorry for that oddity: it's one of the big things that was changed for intrepid. | 07:54 |
| rhp | And rightly so... | 07:55 |
| rhp | Anyway, it gives me something to do tonight :) | 07:55 |
| * lool waves | 08:13 | |
| persia | hey lool. | 08:15 |
| persia | lool: Do you know much about pygtk? It seems to be FTBFS on several arches, including lpia, which is blocking a ubiquity build. I've tried the last few versions uploaded, and they all seem to FTBFS. | 08:31 |
| persia | (at least for lpia) | 08:31 |
| lool | it built on i386 | 08:35 |
| lool | It's just the Xvfb breakage again | 08:35 |
| persia | Is it? It looked like API issues to me. | 08:35 |
| * persia looks again | 08:35 | |
| lool | I looked at the amd64 build log | 08:36 |
| lool | It seems to die in the testsuite | 08:36 |
| lool | After some randr warnings | 08:36 |
| persia | Ah, yeah, you're right. The things I thought were the cause are just warnings. | 08:36 |
| lool | I don't think we die if the ts fails, but it seems make gets confused | 08:36 |
| lool | Anyway, I bet seb128 is already looking into this | 08:38 |
| persia | OK. It's beta-critical for -mid, as lpia can't be installed until ubiquity is built which can't happen until pygtk has the same version for -dev and lib. | 08:39 |
| persia | And indeed he is, judging by -devel :) | 08:41 |
| StevenK | Hmmm. Changing the policy of scrolling gives us 5 icons across not 4 | 08:54 |
| persia | Let's do that, as it ought look nicer. | 08:56 |
| StevenK | I was planning on | 08:56 |
| persia | I currently have three. Does that match you? | 08:57 |
| persia | I think maybe not. | 08:57 |
| StevenK | I'm on a Q1, mind | 08:57 |
| persia | That's 1024x600 isn't it? | 08:57 |
| persia | I'm getting three across by found down at 1024x600 with vesa-on-psb | 08:57 |
| persia | s/found/four/ | 08:58 |
| StevenK | Yeah, 1024x600. | 08:58 |
| StevenK | I'm getting 5 across | 08:58 |
| persia | Is the text a little more squashed? Does the same trick work for thunar as well? | 08:58 |
| crevette | heya | 08:59 |
| StevenK | No, the text looks okay | 08:59 |
| persia | In Thunar I'm getting 4x4.7 or so, but having 5 there as well would be nifty. | 09:00 |
| persia | Is the scroll policy thing kourou-specific, or a setting that ought apply more widely? | 09:00 |
| StevenK | Kourou specific | 09:03 |
| StevenK | It's a GTK-ism I wasn't calling | 09:03 |
| StevenK | persia: If you want to see, open kourou.py and add 'scrolled_win.set_policy(gtk.POLICY_NEVER, gtk.POLICY_AUTOMATIC)' below the 'scrolled_win = gtk.ScrolledWindow()' line | 09:04 |
| persia | I presume I ought restart kourou after? | 09:04 |
| StevenK | Right | 09:05 |
| persia | I still get 3x4 for Home, but no scrollbar. | 09:07 |
| persia | I get 3x4.2 for All, with a scrollbar | 09:08 |
| StevenK | There ought to be one? | 09:08 |
| StevenK | (For Home) ? | 09:08 |
| persia | There isn't one: no need to scroll. | 09:10 |
| persia | There was one before I changed the policy. | 09:11 |
| * persia is running today's image, so may be a few hours out of date, and has no working networking, despite a variety of devices that are intended to provide a network | 09:12 | |
| StevenK | persia: That's the behavior I was intending | 09:12 |
| persia | Then it works, but I'm not seeing more icons. I wonder if there's something funny about my resolution | 09:13 |
| * persia reads the logs | 09:13 | |
| persia | Ah. Vesa decided to use 800x600 for some reason. That's the source of my problem. | 09:15 |
| StevenK | 800x600 still fitting 12 icons for Home makes me happy | 09:18 |
| persia | Yeah. It's a nice bonus. Personally, I'd like full resolution, but I'll settle for it not being broken :) | 09:19 |
| samjam | any plans for ubuntu mobile on arm eabi yet? | 09:35 |
| persia | samjam: It depends on Ubuntu generally. Currently Ubuntu doesn't have any builds for armel. | 09:39 |
| samjam | thanks | 09:40 |
| persia | samjam: Unless the practice changes, you can probably expect to find a recompilation of intrepid for arm at mojo.handhelds.org sometime post-release, and you can see if the Ubuntu Mobile build works, but I don't think it's an explicit target for the mojo folk. | 09:40 |
| samjam | I didn't know that, thanks! | 09:40 |
| persia | samjam: No problem. I've several arm devices myself :) | 09:42 |
| samjam | I see the Hasty ARMv5EL, I may have to try it. I'm using the HTC Universal, do you have one? | 09:42 |
| persia | samjam: Nope. I've Zaurii and kuroboxen. | 09:43 |
| persia | (not that kuroboxen are "mobile" in the sense that they work whilst being moved, without heavy modification, but they are armel) | 09:45 |
| StevenK | Argh | 09:55 |
| persia | ? | 09:55 |
| * StevenK is getting defeated by GTK | 09:55 | |
| StevenK | iconview.window.set_back_pixmap(...) gives AttributeError: NoneType object has no attribute | 10:01 |
| StevenK | So iconview.window == None, but why | 10:01 |
| lool | persia: I think I've uploaded a fixed pygtk | 10:02 |
| persia | lool: I see that, and am very excited. I have a list of 10 FTBFS that I'd like solved pre-beta, and that's probably the most critical. Thank you. | 10:03 |
| lool | persia: Dunno who will give back the pygtk FTBFSes | 12:05 |
| lool | ubiquity is still in the "Failed to build" state | 12:05 |
| persia | lool: There's another issue with ubiquity as well, as it also fails on i386. I expect it will be reviewed in a few hours. | 12:09 |
| persia | My. Repeatedly using a USB stick only as a target for dd results in some interesting partition maps. | 12:33 |
| lool | persia: synaptic accepted | 12:57 |
| persia | Hrm? pygtk rdeps? | 12:58 |
| ogra | anyone with an opinion on bug 275299 here ? | 13:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275299 in ubuntu-mobile-default-settings "ubuntu-mobile-default-settings: better descriptions describing target MIDs" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275299 | 13:04 |
| * ogra changed the description for -mobile to: | 13:05 | |
| ogra | Description: The Ubuntu mobile system | 13:05 |
| ogra | This package depends on all of the packages in the Ubuntu mobile system | 13:05 |
| ogra | Ubuntu Mobile is an alternative to ubuntu-desktop, intended for use on | 13:05 |
| ogra | Ultra Mobile PCs (UMPCs) | 13:05 |
| ogra | the description in the bug would make sense for -mid though i think | 13:05 |
| persia | No. That's -mobile. | 13:06 |
| lool | persia: Err xf86-synaptic that is | 13:06 |
| * lool coffee & | 13:06 | |
| persia | A "MID" is a special Intel word for the class of devices once known as "PDA", but with more RAM, processor, and local storage. | 13:06 |
| StevenK | The description in the bug does sound like mid-default-settings | 13:06 |
| persia | lool: Yeah. That makes more sense :) I've been playing with it all day: it's a lot easier to work on a device when the pointer can be controlled. | 13:07 |
| persia | I don't like listing storage there. The only device I have with < 10G storage is 4 years old. | 13:08 |
| StevenK | And recommended memory? No. | 13:09 |
| StevenK | It should list the form-factor | 13:09 |
| persia | Right, and clearly differentiate the two. As much as anything, it's about DPI: "How big is a finger?" | 13:09 |
| ogra | right, list touchscreen dependency and screen size | 13:09 |
| persia | -mobile works fine without a touchscreen. | 13:09 |
| ogra | but it is designed with focus on touchscreens | 13:10 |
| * persia tried it on the Kohjinsha, and ignored the miscalibrated touchscreen, and was very happy with the result | 13:10 | |
| ogra | that will be more noticeable with jaunty though | 13:10 |
| ogra | where i.e. gksu will popup cellwriter automatically | 13:10 |
| ogra | and things like that | 13:10 |
| persia | Please don't make it not work with a touchpad, trackpoint, or mouse. I *really* like having the simple, clean interface, but don't want to get fingerprints all over my screen. | 13:10 |
| persia | Oh, I'm fine with that, as long as it's done through the accessibility interfaces, and can be disabled by users with touchpads (e.g. Eee users). | 13:11 |
| StevenK | persia: Use your nose? | 13:11 |
| ogra | or your big toe :) | 13:11 |
| StevenK | Heh | 13:11 |
| ogra | though we'd have to lower the dpi for that i guess :P | 13:12 |
| persia | Bah. *all* the lpia devices I own have perfectly functional synaptics touchpads. I don't see why I shouldn't use them. | 13:12 |
| StevenK | I see a new standard. Toe-driven interfaces | 13:12 |
| ogra | yay | 13:12 |
| ogra | the new toe bluetooth keyboard ... at the size of a 37" Tv | 13:12 |
| ogra | handsfree computing :) | 13:13 |
| * persia can toe-type on 15" keyboard. | 13:13 | |
| StevenK | ogra: 37 inches? That sounds more like a feet-driven interface | 13:13 |
| StevenK | And you get shifted keys by stomping | 13:14 |
| ogra | well, your toe or your heel :) | 13:14 |
| persia | I like that. velocity sensitivity for alphanumeric keyboards. | 13:14 |
| ogra | persia, do we have a prper fix for the error 15 bug btw ? | 13:14 |
| ogra | hmm, and do we actually have a bug number ? | 13:14 |
| persia | ogra: Yes. That's sorted. | 13:14 |
| ogra | ah | 13:14 |
| persia | Yes, and I closed it. | 13:14 |
| ogra | k, no number needed | 13:14 |
| persia | I actually opened *two* bugs, one for each flavour, but they turned out to be the same problem, so I dup'd them, and StevenK did the necessary adjustment to fix them. If you build a mobile image somewhere sane, it will work. | 13:15 |
| ogra | good | 13:15 |
| StevenK | ogra: You need to put the kernel under casper | 13:16 |
| ogra | StevenK, yeah, i saw that, but wasnt aware thats enough for the installed system | 13:16 |
| persia | Yeah, it's a hardcoding in ubiquity. | 13:17 |
| ogra | ah, k | 13:17 |
| * persia fails again at using syslinux, and decides to wait for usb-creator to work | 13:18 | |
| ogra | ?? its trivil to use ... you just need mtools installed and a syslinux.cfg in the root of the target fs | 13:19 |
| persia | Yeah. I did that. The result causes a loud beeping noise. | 13:20 |
| persia | My procedure was fdisk /dev/sdb; mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb1; mount /dev/sdb1 /tmp/mnt; cp -pRa /mnt/intrepid-desktop-i386/* /tmp/mnt; cp /mnt/ubuntu-mid/syslinux.cfg /tmp/mnt; umount /tmp/mnt; syslinux /dev/sdb1 | 13:22 |
| ogra | ah | 13:23 |
| ogra | dont partition :) | 13:23 |
| ogra | syslinux doesnt work on partitions | 13:23 |
| persia | Just mkfs.vfat /dev/sdb ? | 13:23 |
| ogra | yeah | 13:24 |
| * persia tries again, but knows there is supposed to be an easy tool, and wants it to work | 13:24 | |
| persia | ogra: Thanks. I'm booting the desktop now. | 13:40 |
| * persia may do the same to sort out not being able to boot the ubuntu-mobile image | 13:40 | |
| ogra | urgh | 13:57 |
| ogra | does midbrowser work for anyone with the latest upgrades ? | 13:58 |
| ogra | asac, ^^^ | 13:58 |
| rabeeh2000 | hi all, | 13:58 |
| rabeeh2000 | i have been trying to build mobile-basic-flash to use xulrunner-1.9 | 13:58 |
| rabeeh2000 | i'v seen all the posts from asac and bob spenser that it's broken | 13:59 |
| rabeeh2000 | but those posts are from April time frame I was wondering if someone has better clue how to solve the issue? | 13:59 |
| rabeeh2000 | basically what i'm seeing is a black window in hildon UI which is the home.html page; but afterwards nothing; as if the javascript: calls are not being executed. | 14:00 |
| persia | rabeeh2000: I don't think anyone was able to come up with a good solution. For intrepid, m-b-f has mostly been replaced with kourou. | 14:00 |
| rabeeh2000 | any tip would help. thanks | 14:00 |
| asac | ogra: what happens? | 14:00 |
| persia | Mind you, kourou doesn't support flash or xul, so it may not meet your needs. | 14:01 |
| ogra | asac, well, it coredumps pretty quietly if i run it from a termnal | 14:01 |
| StevenK | We tried to move m-b-f to xulrunner-1.9 for Hardy, and reverted it | 14:01 |
| persia | ogra: midbrowser hasn't worked for me in about a week. | 14:01 |
| rabeeh2000 | persia: midbrowser works for me using xulrunner-1.9 (both x86 and ARM versions) | 14:01 |
| ogra | well, i just tried it for the first time after installing ubuntu-mobile on the Q1 and upgrading | 14:01 |
| persia | (but I've been fiddling with increasingly messy environments, so this may not be indicative) | 14:01 |
| ogra | its a fresh intrepid install fully up to date | 14:02 |
| persia | rabeeh2000: In the Ubuntu Mobile or Ubuntu MID intrepid development snapshots? | 14:02 |
| rabeeh2000 | persia: ubuntu mobile from hardy | 14:02 |
| asac | ogra: just "core" ... or any other output? | 14:03 |
| persia | rabeeh2000: Yeah. It works fine there. | 14:03 |
| ogra-Q1 | ogra@ogra-Q1:~$ midbrowser | 14:04 |
| ogra-Q1 | pure virtual method called | 14:04 |
| ogra-Q1 | terminate called without an active exception | 14:04 |
| ogra-Q1 | Aborted (core dumped) | 14:04 |
| ogra-Q1 | ogra@ogra-Q1:~$ | 14:04 |
| persia | ogra: Following your instructions gets me to an initramfs prompt, because casper can't find the right disk (it's not /dev/sda, and it's not /dev/scd0, but it's /dev/sdb). Any suggestions? | 14:07 |
| ogra | hmm, note really (phonecall now) | 14:07 |
| persia | Oh well. Thanks. | 14:10 |
| rabeeh2000 | how can i launch kourou? | 14:25 |
| rabeeh2000 | i just built it for hardy; how do i integrate it with hildon? | 14:25 |
| rabeeh2000 | stevenk: sorry for buging you on this; but can you please provide a hint how to launch kourou? is it ready at all in demo level? | 14:47 |
| StevenK | rabeeh2000: You need to edit /etc/hildon-desktop/home.conf and home-layout.conf, replacing what's there with the path to kourou.desktop | 14:47 |
| ogra | persia, i dont get where you get the passwd/auto-login from ... its not documented anywhere | 15:16 |
| persia | It's in user-setup-apply in user-setup. ubiquity processes it and flips the checkmark. d-i is used as a prefix so it doesn't get included in the debconf DB on the installed system. | 15:17 |
| persia | It ends up doing a bunch of ugly sedery, but if you don't look at the implementation, it works pertty good. | 15:19 |
| persia | ogra: Hmm. Looking at gdm, it doesn't seem to have much in the way of debconf questions. Sorry. | 15:25 |
| persia | Maybe you could add one for jaunty? | 15:25 |
| ogra | wel, you said there is a checkbox somewhere for it | 15:27 |
| persia | No, I said there was a checkbox for automatic login. | 15:27 |
| ogra | ah, user-setip ... | 15:27 |
| ogra | i should read the backlog first :) | 15:27 |
| persia | I was looking for something for timed login. | 15:27 |
| persia | (or read my mind in this case, as I lost track of context) | 15:27 |
| ogra | it does timed login | 15:28 |
| ogra | $log $chroot $ROOT sed -i \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | -e "s/^AutomaticLoginEnable=.*\$/AutomaticLoginEnable=true/" \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | -e "s/^AutomaticLogin=.*\$/AutomaticLogin=$USER/" \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | -e "s/^TimedLoginEnable=.*\$/TimedLoginEnable=true/" \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | -e "s/^TimedLogin=.*\$/TimedLogin=$USER/" \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | -e "s/^TimedLoginDelay=.*\$/TimedLoginDelay=10/" \ | 15:28 |
| ogra | "$GDMCONF" | 15:28 |
| ogra | great | 15:28 |
| ogra | no problem then | 15:28 |
| persia | Oh, cool. preseed it then. | 15:28 |
| ogra | you should just have pointed me there and i wuld have kept quiet ;) | 15:29 |
| persia | I don't want you to be quiet. It's generally too quiet here. On the other hand, asking me from where something comes may be more useful than asking me about something. | 15:30 |
| ogra | yeah, 'ill try to ask more intelligently in the future | 15:32 |
| ogra | i see user-setup even has proper handling for gdm-cdd.conf now :) | 15:33 |
| persia | Cool! I wasn't sure if it handled that, but if it does, you should be completely sorted. | 15:33 |
| ogra | geez | 15:40 |
| * ogra just closed all apps since the last upgrade and wasnt aware the default wallpaper had changed | 15:40 | |
| persia | heh. | 15:41 |
| rabeeh2000 | stevenk: tried changing home.conf and home-layout.conf, and also rebuilt hildon-desktop from interpid http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/hildon-desktop | 15:52 |
| rabeeh2000 | stevenk: unfortunately this doesn't seem to be good enough; since m-b-f is still being launched | 15:53 |
| ogra | uninstall it | 15:53 |
| * persia has now successfully installed Ubuntu Desktop on a telephone. For those watching at home: this is not what you want. | 16:48 | |
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| rabeeh2000 | stevenk / ogra - so it works for me now; only few inputs - | 17:04 |
| rabeeh2000 | 1. got a python backtrace on this - bgcolour = gtk.gdk.Color("#000000") --> unclear why python doesn't understand gtk.gdk.Color? gtk version? | 17:05 |
| rabeeh2000 | 2. unclear why kourou needs - /usr/share/pdk/pixmaps/image-creator-32x32.xpm to run ? | 17:05 |
| rabeeh2000 | 3. if using standard X-windows with a mouse then double click on any icon doesn't work. | 17:06 |
| rabeeh2000 | and finally; thanks for saving the day :) | 17:07 |
| persia | rabeeh2000: #3 confuses me, as I have had just as much success with mice, touchpads, remote screen access (vnc), virtual mice, and touchscreens to launch applications. | 17:07 |
| persia | For #1, you're running this in intrepid, or backported to hardy? | 17:07 |
| * ogra guesses 2) is just a hardcoded path in the .desktop file (which is a big nono but wouldnt surprise me with MIC) | 17:08 | |
| rabeeh2000 | persia: for #1 it's a backport for hardy | 17:08 |
| rabeeh2000 | persia: for #3, i'll check it right now with Xephyr | 17:09 |
| ogra | gtk.gdk.Color is there since ages | 17:09 |
| ogra | shouldnt be the issue | 17:09 |
| ogra | probably you need to import gdk separately in hardy | 17:09 |
| rabeeh2000 | ogra: for #1; the error message - TypeError: an integer is required | 17:11 |
| rabeeh2000 | ogra: i'll try doing that too. thanks for the tip | 17:11 |
| ogra | well, i think you need gtk.gdk.color_parse() | 17:11 |
| ogra | not sure though, i avent seen the kouru code but have a nearly identical app here | 17:12 |
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| ogra | where i use the abov eline instead | 17:12 |
| persia | rabeeh2000: Might be a Xephyr thing, but it does work for me for intrepid for real HW and KVM. | 17:13 |
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| ian_brasil | ogra: does accessibility work with the theme on ubuntu-mobile.img or didn't you try that | 22:37 |
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