| vk5foss | asac: you 'bout? | 03:24 |
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| jtv | Morning everyone | 07:47 |
| fta | armin76, http://jldugger.livejournal.com/19151.html | 09:20 |
| * armin76 yawns | 09:23 | |
| fta | switch | 09:24 |
| gnomefreak | yay lots of OO.o-3.0 updates :) | 10:19 |
| gnomefreak | asac: when i run autoconf2.13 no matter what dir im in it tells me it cant read changelog | 10:34 |
| gnomefreak | using dpatch | 10:34 |
| asac | gnomefreak: autoconf2.13 doesnt read changelog at all ;) | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | i know hence the problem | 10:36 |
| fta2 | hi | 10:36 |
| gnomefreak | i run dpatch-edit-patch it puts me in tmp/* and no matter where i go gives me same error | 10:37 |
| gnomefreak | i ran it both ways with patch name and without i get same thing, when im in tmp/* im supposed to run it in mozilla dir. but i cant cd into mozilla dir. | 10:39 |
| gnomefreak | asac: fta2 here are commands and dir listed something isnt right here for some reason i cant enter mozilla dir. to run autoconf | 10:48 |
| gnomefreak | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/544534 link << | 10:48 |
| fta2 | what do you have inside ubuntu-0.x/ ? | 10:49 |
| gnomefreak | same issue if i run it in mozilla dir. for some reason dpatch is removing build-area all to gether | 10:50 |
| gnomefreak | fta2: debian | 10:50 |
| fta2 | do a ls -l after line 73 | 10:50 |
| fta2 | no tarball? | 10:50 |
| gnomefreak | total 4 | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | drwxr-xr-x 6 gnomefreak gnomefreak 4096 Sep 26 09:36 debian | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | fta2: its in tarballs dir | 10:51 |
| fta2 | then you forgot to merge, is that from a branch? | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | fta2: debian is yes | 10:51 |
| fta2 | bzr bd --merge | 10:51 |
| fta2 | then go to build-area and edit your patch | 10:51 |
| gnomefreak | k ill try | 10:52 |
| fta2 | asac, did you have a look at my QT page? | 10:52 |
| gnomefreak | i dont want it to build yet :( | 10:53 |
| gnomefreak | i guess it has to | 10:53 |
| fta2 | doesn't matter, interrupt it | 10:54 |
| fta2 | just after the patches are applied | 10:54 |
| fta2 | so if it's an embedded tarball, it will be already unpacked | 10:54 |
| gnomefreak | fta2: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/544553 | 11:02 |
| gnomefreak | i should not get that error at all | 11:02 |
| fta2 | run it two levels above | 11:03 |
| asac | fta2: qt? | 11:03 |
| fta2 | it is looking for the debian dir, not mozilla | 11:03 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 11:04 |
| fta2 | asac, Sep 28 20:34:51 <fta> asac, i've experimented a bit with the QT support in 3.1. I've drafted my ideas on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/QT please let me know what you think | 11:04 |
| fta2 | ok, lunch time, cu | 11:04 |
| * gnomefreak thought mozilla was working on porting QT | 11:05 | |
| fta2 | read 1st :) | 11:05 |
| gnomefreak | waiting for it | 11:05 |
| fta2 | it didn't do the port myself, i'm not crazy enough | 11:05 |
| gnomefreak | we cant just add ...-qt to control i guess | 11:07 |
| gnomefreak | running dpatch-edit-patch in ~/lightning-sunbird-builds/work/build-area/lightning-sunb | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | ird-0.9~cvs20080922t0147+nobinonly | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | removes mozilla dir | 11:10 |
| gnomefreak | ah its not using a patch system i misread .patch for .dpatch | 11:17 |
| gnomefreak | it is using quilt but i dont rememmber quilt using series file | 11:20 |
| asac | fta2: why do we need a new source package for ffox 3.1? | 11:31 |
| gnomefreak | ok fuck sunbird for now i have to fix a patch or 2 and cant do it now, ill be back later i have to clean carpets | 11:38 |
| fta2 | asac, how do you do a build-dep of xul-qt vs xul-gtk then? | 11:38 |
| asac | fta2: why is firefox build depending on qt/gtk peculiarities? | 11:45 |
| asac | fta2: my quess is that a ffox buil against -gtk _should_ work against -qt | 11:45 |
| fta2 | well, i didn't try that yet. | 12:47 |
| fta2 | i will | 12:47 |
| fta2 | but not today | 12:47 |
| jcastro | asac: do you guys have a specific person that looks after thunderbird or is it a general team effort? | 16:37 |
| asac_ | reconnect | 16:44 |
| asac_ | 17:37 < jcastro> asac: do you guys have a specific person that looks after thunderbird or is it a general team effort? | 16:45 |
| asac_ | 17:42 < asac> jcastro: anything specific? | 16:45 |
| jcastro | asac: yeah just a few questions - which is the preferred source name, thunderbird or mozilla-thunderbird? | 16:51 |
| jcastro | we have 2 | 16:51 |
| asac_ | jcastro: mozilla-thunderbird is the _old_ one | 16:52 |
| asac_ | thunderbird the new one | 16:52 |
| jcastro | ok | 16:52 |
| asac_ | and thunderbird-3.0 will be tbitrd 3.0 | 16:52 |
| asac_ | in the end it will be like firefox | 16:52 |
| jcastro | k | 16:52 |
| jcastro | are you guys making an effort to open upstream tasks as you triage? | 16:53 |
| asac_ | jcastro: the answer is obvious isnt it ;) | 16:55 |
| jcastro | well, I meant "from now on" :p | 16:55 |
| === asac_ is now known as asac | ||
| wikz | fta2: why is NSS_DYNAMIC_SOFTOKN set to 0 using the patch .is it something to do because we don't build it as static but as shared ? | 16:56 |
| wikz | asac: | 16:56 |
| asac | jcastro: personally, i cannot really commit that. we dont have the resources to properly triage all bugs - as sad as it is. we would need support from QA here. | 16:57 |
| jcastro | asac: *nod* | 16:57 |
| asac | jcastro: so what we do is to try to spot serious bugs | 16:57 |
| asac | and work on those | 16:57 |
| asac | jcastro: if firefox would be split in multiple packages | 16:58 |
| asac | that would be better | 16:58 |
| asac | launchpad is just not usable anymore for that package | 16:58 |
| asac | i mean, i see a bug ... then i get another mail about a dupe and i cannot find the other bug anymore | 16:58 |
| jcastro | I suspect it's the same thing with the kernel team | 16:59 |
| asac | jcastro: so on top of lack of time we are also struck by the fact that launchpad isnt really good at doing large packages with lots of bugs | 17:00 |
| asac | jcastro: yeah. i think linux probabyl gets even more bugs | 17:00 |
| jcastro | ok so really, the lack of upstreamable tasks is just a symptom of a larger problem, is what you're trying to say? | 17:01 |
| asac | but the bugs can be much easier isolated ... like bug in driver X, Y, Z .... so it might be even easier for new folks to help | 17:01 |
| asac | jcastro: there are multiple things: | 17:01 |
| asac | 1. too many bugs | 17:01 |
| asac | 2. too many low severity bugs or wishlist bugs | 17:02 |
| asac | 3. too many unreproducible bugs | 17:02 |
| asac | (this is a *serious* issue ... most bugs are just not reproducible and without that you cannot forward) | 17:02 |
| asac | 4. hard upstream bug process | 17:04 |
| asac | jcastro: and maybe as a higher reason: too high noise for anyone | 17:05 |
| asac | jcastro: we might be able to streamline the community better | 17:07 |
| asac | but then someone has to take the lead on it ... e.g. constrantly blog how to triage firefox bugs et al ... and so on | 17:08 |
| jcastro | yeah | 17:08 |
| asac | jcastro: i just picked a random bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/200344 | 17:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 200344 in firefox-3.0 "firefox 3.0 gets mixed up with fonts" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 17:14 |
| jcastro | I see | 17:15 |
| asac | jcastro: though this is certainly one of the bugs with the higher likelyhood to get to something when properly triaged | 17:17 |
| asac | jcastro: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-September/thread.html | 17:18 |
| asac | ok that month had the eula bug ;) | 17:19 |
| asac | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mozillateam-bugs/2008-August/thread.html | 17:19 |
| asac | so 2.5k - 3k mails a month | 17:20 |
| asac | _all_ on mostly the same package ... not like gnome or other componentized software projects where each package buglist can mostly be seen on 1-3 bug pages | 17:21 |
| jcastro | nod | 17:21 |
| asac | so: launchpad + high bug load + high bar to effectively triage bugs ... are the factors that make firefox-3.0 a bug mess ;) | 17:22 |
| asac | ok ;) | 17:22 |
| asac | hope thats enough | 17:22 |
| asac | wow in may we had 4500 bugmail ;) | 17:23 |
| asac | 4774 | 17:23 |
| asac | i guess thats the month that killed all our efforts to keep on top firefox-3.0 | 17:24 |
| jcastro | or, so in normal english, basically, you're drowning in bugs and the last thing you need is someone telling you to make the process longer. :) | 17:24 |
| asac | jcastro: yeah. ... at least when we dont want to cause pain on mozilla side | 17:25 |
| * jcastro nods | 17:26 | |
| asac | jcastro: i could easily say for each incoming bug: please test with upstream build | 17:26 |
| asac | jcastro: and then tell him to forward upstream on his own ;) | 17:26 |
| asac | jcastro: or tell the community triagers to do that | 17:26 |
| asac | jcastro: but in the end they most likely will start posting the initial bug reporters description upstream | 17:26 |
| asac | and not following up in upstream tracker | 17:27 |
| jcastro | ok | 17:27 |
| asac | that doesnt make sense | 17:27 |
| asac | jcastro: actually i am not that concerned about not many bugs getting forwarded. i am concerned about the bug flood making it hard to spot the important bugs and gems and forward them | 17:28 |
| fta2 | asac, so, what about bug 274187 now? | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 274187 in ubuntu "FFe - firefox 3.1 and xulrunner 1.9.1 for intrepid/universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274187 | 17:53 |
| sebner | fta2: you know I like bleeding edge but what sense does it make to have 3.1 alpha in intrepid? | 17:53 |
| jcastro | asac: so do you think the firefox "project" should be like split up into other components? Or will that make it worse? | 17:55 |
| fta2 | sebner, just read the first 2 comments on the bug | 18:00 |
| sebner | fta2: ok but it's still an alpha | 18:01 |
| fta2 | sebner, beta 1 is expected soon | 18:01 |
| sebner | fta: ah, I see. so thumps up :D | 18:01 |
| fta2 | and the package is ready and usable as it is | 18:01 |
| fta2 | i'm working on the kde version too but that's not what i want to push now | 18:02 |
| sebner | fta2: I know that it is usable. I'm using your ppa version :P | 18:03 |
| fta2 | i know, a lot of people are using my ppa apparently. would be nice to have some real stats from lp | 18:04 |
| * sebner is wondering if we have something like debian popcon in general for ubuntu | 18:06 | |
| fta2 | in a way, it's also a problem... i can't experiment as much as i want to and push everything i do/touch | 18:07 |
| sebner | fta2: sure but it's alpha software and a private PPA. f*ck them who complain when something is b0rken | 18:07 |
| fta2 | i guess popcon doesn't make the difference between ppa and repo | 18:07 |
| fta2 | i often see my ppa in blogs, in the forum, even in bugs | 18:08 |
| sebner | fta2: the software is cool and your packaging skills great. your fault :P | 18:09 |
| fta2 | yahh | 18:10 |
| fta2 | ok, going for a beer, friends waiting | 18:10 |
| fta2 | cu | 18:10 |
| asac | jcastro: the project wont help ... we need that split on the package | 18:35 |
| asac | jcastro: let me think | 18:35 |
| asac | jcastro: i think we could do all triage in multiple upstream products | 18:35 |
| asac | but i doubt that that is feasible as we have to also maintain the package task status | 18:35 |
| asac | and projects in launchpad are quite heavy weight ... e.g. i cannot search for bugs in selected multiple projects | 18:36 |
| asac | jcastro: so yes, i like the idea, but no, i dont think that that helps ... the split helps but we get other burdens that will annihilate the win of the split | 18:38 |
| fta | cdbs is not very friendly when you want more than 1 build :( | 22:19 |
| fta | asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=933429 | 22:49 |
| asac | fta: at lesat not a problem due to this security update round | 22:54 |
| fta | hm | 22:56 |
| fta | http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/61642beb4c16fc1e5140ae96bceb5743ae0bab08 ??? | 22:57 |
| asac | fta: not sure what that means | 23:05 |
| [reed] | fta: it was a screw-up | 23:10 |
| fta | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=412610#c20 | 23:11 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 412610 in Startup and Profile System "MAXPATHLEN too small for glibc's realpath()" [Normal,New] | 23:11 |
| fta | [reed], what is that UPDATE_PACKAGING_R5 tag for? | 23:12 |
| fta | or which project? | 23:13 |
| [reed] | build automation | 23:13 |
| fta | ok | 23:16 |
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