[00:17] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'd appreciate it if you could accept kicker-taskbar-compiz in hardy-backports ...
[00:46] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: accepted
[00:46] <Riddell> I think I've tracked down the no maximise button issue
[00:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Add kickoffrc as replacement for the favourites patch in workspace" have you tested that?
[00:47] <Riddell> it didn't work when I tried it
[00:48] <Riddell> (nor when suse tried it I presume by the existance of a kickoffrc)
[00:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot147.png
[00:50] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Thanks.
[00:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: worth testing, I had a lot of package revisions that day, that's also the reason I didn't drop the workspace patch yet.
[00:52] <Riddell> extra adept
[01:00] <seele> apachelogger: that's a nice logo for adept.. did the oxygen people make it or did it already exist?
[01:01] <apachelogger> seele: oxygen, but I don't like it for the installer
[01:01] <apachelogger> especially not considering the updater uses the same icon
[01:01] <seele> oh, that could be confusing
[01:02] <Riddell> the updater is adept
[01:02] <seele> hum.. should make some tea
[01:03] <Riddell> ooh, are you calling your evening meal "tea" now?
[01:04] <seele> Riddell: no.. i'm calling steeping some leaves in hot water tea :)
[01:05] <seele> although i'm getting hungry already even though dinner was only 2 hours ago.  might have to make a snack to go with it
[01:05] <seele> Riddell: besides.. i thought your "tea" was an early dinner, not late?
[01:07] <Riddell> around 6-ish, plus or minus an hour
[01:07] <Riddell> but as usual, us computer types tend to be later :)
[01:07] <seele> it's tought eating a meal and staying up for an additional 6 hours without anything for the rest of the evening
[01:08] <seele> especially when i tend to eat every few hours during the day
[03:23] <ScottK-laptop> Are we close to having our beta packages in place then?
[03:24]  * ScottK-laptop contemplates a dist-upgrade of the laptop.
[03:44] <rgreening> hey
[03:44] <rgreening> ScottK-laptop: I'm running latest intrepid now. no issues.
[03:45] <ScottK-laptop> I'd like to do my upgrade when we're pretty close to what we plan to use for beta so I can catch any upgrade issues.
[03:45] <ScottK-laptop> Do you know if anything else is planned?
[03:47] <rgreening> not that I've heard. I built an update to qt 4.4.3, but I think Riddell wants to wait until after beta to up it
[03:48] <nixternal> wasabi peeps!!!
[03:49]  * ScottK says what the heck and upgrades.
[03:49] <rgreening> 'lo
[03:49]  * nixternal says what the heck and doesn't upgrade :)
[03:49]  * rgreening smiles
[03:49] <nixternal> is Intrepid lookin' good yet?
[03:50] <nixternal> I have been using wmii lately and haven't been checking in on things...that is going to change in the next couple of months though...I am coming back, but to do more coding than anything else
[03:50] <nixternal> need to find new documentors!!!
[06:48]  * ScottK-laptop really hopes that was not a typical upgrade experience.
[12:14] <Riddell> all new alternate CDs up
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm currently working on policykit-kde, I can get a dialog when required, but it seems to ask for the root password by default
[12:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pretty sure there is a way to make it to work, maybe patch somehow.... I'm investigating
[12:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: appart from that I'm really surprized with packagekit, it works really nicelly
[13:18] <Riddell> desktop CDs up
[13:18] <Riddell> Tonio_: formidable
[13:22] <apachelogger> hm
[13:22] <apachelogger> vorian: bug 267182
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem seems to be that policykit reports bad permissions, problably due to bad request...
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: POLKIT_RESULT_ONLY_VIA_ADMIN_AUTH_KEEP_ALWAYS is reported when my standard user has the permission.... certainly a problem with the UID or something
[13:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't be that hard to fix :) still in the work
[13:35] <vorian> apachelogger: do we have time for fixor it?
[13:35] <apachelogger> vorian: dunno, do you?
[13:35] <apachelogger> maybe devfil does?
[13:35] <vorian> i guess
[13:35] <vorian> i just woke up
[13:36] <devfil> what?
[13:36] <apachelogger> bug 267182
[13:37] <devfil> apachelogger: ok, np
[13:37] <jtechidna> good morning all
[13:38] <apachelogger> hoy jtechidna
[13:38] <vorian> 09/30/08|08:42 < vorian> i guess
[13:38] <vorian> fuck
[13:38] <jtechidna> ha
[13:39] <jtechidna> Riddell: didja receive my adept patch?
[13:39]  * apachelogger pokes Riddell with bug 275997
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: please remove the kwinrulesrc from kds
[13:42] <apachelogger> jtechidna: what is bug 217654 about?
[13:42]  * apachelogger doesn't really get the problem
[13:43] <jtechidna> apachelogger: empty Path= in the .desktops
[13:43] <apachelogger> hm
[13:43] <apachelogger> is that actually invalid?
[13:44] <apachelogger> oh 1.1 published
[13:44] <jtechidna> I probably should have checked that before opening a shitton of bugs
[13:44] <apachelogger> neato
[13:44] <apachelogger> jtechidna: yus
[13:45] <jtechidna> so, freedesktop.org?
[13:48] <apachelogger> jtechidna: http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html
[13:48] <apachelogger> I think we should poke them
[13:49] <apachelogger> -(~/src/deb/mysql:$)-> desktop-file-validate /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop
[13:49] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop: warning: key "InitialPreference" in group "Desktop Entry" is a reserved key for KDE
[13:49] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop: warning: value "" for key "Path" in group "Desktop Entry" does not look like an absolute path
[13:49] <apachelogger> warning, not error
[13:49] <apachelogger> Path is type string
[13:49] <apachelogger> and the spec says
[13:49] <apachelogger> "-(~/src/deb/mysql:$)-> desktop-file-validate /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop
[13:49] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop: warning: key "InitialPreference" in group "Desktop Entry" is a reserved key for KDE
[13:49] <apachelogger> /usr/share/applications/kde4/kate.desktop: warning: value "" for key "Path" in group "Desktop Entry" does not look like an absolute path
[13:49] <apachelogger> actually it says "Values of type string may contain all ASCII characters except for control characters." :P
[13:49] <jtechidna> poke whom?
[13:50] <apachelogger> now that could be "values of type string must contain any ASCCI chracters except for control chracters"
[13:50] <apachelogger> but it is not
[13:50] <apachelogger> like "Values of type numeric must be a valid floating point number as recognized by the %f specifier for scanf in the C locale."
[13:51] <apachelogger> jtechidna: I'd suggest poking pbrown@kde.org
[13:52] <apachelogger> but I interpret the spec that you don't necessarily need to have any value for string keys
[13:53] <apachelogger> jtechidna: you could file a bug report at https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
[13:53] <apachelogger> stating the problem and that the spec doesn't clearly state what happens if a key with value string is empty
[13:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, policykit-kde seems to work well in fact
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: unless I'm wrong, I don't understand how the gnome one works
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: packagekit by default only let the admin user install a package
[13:56] <Tonio_> which means root I guess
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: any idea how packagekit detects what is admin and what is not ?
[13:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: this i the default authorization : POLKIT_RESULT_ONLY_VIA_ADMIN_AUTH_KEEP_ALWAYS:
[13:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: according to packagekit-kde, that means root auth is required, which'll fail since root has no password
[13:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: policykit gnome then asks for the user's password, which sounds wrong, but works...
[13:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: technically policykit-kde works, just I think we have to make it clear what is 'admin' according to policykit
[13:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: who may know a bit of policykit on the gnome side ?
[14:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: pitti's name comes to mind for policykit
[14:32] <ScottK-laptop> In KDE3 if you mouse over an item for an open app in Task Manager you get a tooltip with what the app is.  In Intrepid KDE4 I don't get the tooltip.  Bug? Feature? Some setting I need to change?
[14:34] <rgreening> Riddell: updating qt 3.3.9 shortly. Assuming you still need it done
[14:47] <rgreening> Riddell: can't find a 3.3.9 release... was there one for the copyright update? not sure there was
[14:48] <rgreening> anyone having an issue with update-notifier-kde not running on startup or failing shortly after startup?
[15:01] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: Was present in 4.0, but broke and never got fixed because of something Qt-ish in the 4.1 cycle
[15:01] <jtechidna> The feature is already back in 4.2 trunk
[15:02] <ScottK-laptop> jtechidna: Is there any way we can backport a patch to 4.1 to fix it?  It a regression from KDE3 at this point and a rather huge one for my typical workflow.
[15:04] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: Dunno, since I think it was a Qt issue it might rely on Qt-copy. I'm not sure though.
[15:04] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Do you know about this?  Can we fix it for Intrepid?  ^^^
[15:06] <jtechidna> We could probably ask #plasma or the plasma-devel ML how extensive the changes would be for a backport
[15:06] <ScottK-laptop> Would you?  I think it'll be a big deal for a lot of people.
[15:07] <rgreening> How hard would it be to port synaptic to Qt? I rather like synaptic as compared to adept 3
[15:08] <apachelogger> there once was kynaptic
[15:08] <apachelogger> it was crap
[15:08] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop: I'll get on it in a bit, I haz economics hw to finish up first
[15:08] <apachelogger> and I don't like syntpic either
[15:08] <apachelogger> then again I don't like adept very much
[15:08]  * apachelogger finds all package manager guis rather awful
[15:08] <ScottK-laptop> jtechidna: Thanks.
[15:09] <jtechidna> If we're lucky suse might even have something we can steal, \o/
[15:10]  * apachelogger finds suse patches overly dangerous
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: please accept kgrubeditor
[15:11] <rgreening> anyone package wine yet?
[15:12] <ScottK-laptop> If by WINE, you actually mean WINE then yes.  If you mean a winecfg replacement, I don't think so.  yuriy had some thoughts on that a while ago.
[15:12] <rgreening> was talking about wine 1.1.5
[15:13] <jtechidna> last stable was 1.0, which is what they're sticking with for Intrepid iirc
[15:13] <ScottK-laptop> Talk to yokozar on #ubuntu-motu about it.
[15:14] <rgreening> ok.
[15:14] <jtechidna> there is a 3rd party ubuntu repo that gets the 1.1.x updates
[15:14] <gnomefreak> is kde3 avail. in intrepid?
[15:14] <ScottK-laptop> Which yokozar is the also the guy that runs it.
[15:14] <rgreening> gnomefreak: no
[15:14] <ScottK-laptop> gnomefreak: Not as a complete desktop.  Some pieces are.
[15:14] <gnomefreak> thanks thats what i thought
[15:14]  * jtechidna disappears for 15 min
[15:18]  * apachelogger pokes claydoh
[15:18] <nixternal> mornin' krazy people
[15:19] <apachelogger> "I agree that this is a very important bug to fix. Kubuntu has an image problem as it is and something like this making it through would only make things worse."
[15:19] <apachelogger> oh
[15:19] <apachelogger> seriously!
[15:19] <claydoh> apachelogger: what did I do this time ;)]
[15:19] <apachelogger> claydoh: bug 275218
[15:19] <apachelogger> do you use imap?
[15:19] <claydoh> nope
[15:19] <apachelogger> do you get a backtrace?
[15:19] <apachelogger> if not, run kdebugdialog
[15:19] <apachelogger> turn all debug on
[15:19] <claydoh> kk
[15:19] <apachelogger> start kmail from console and trigger the issue, get the output pasted
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: I don't know anything about task manager tooltips I'm afraid
[15:35] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Thanks.  Maybe jtechidna will turn something up.
[15:36] <Riddell> rgreening: hmm, you're right, there is no 3.3.9, I was told there would be
[15:36] <rgreening> kool. thought I was losing it
[15:36] <rgreening> :P
[15:39] <Riddell> rgreening: well, beta candidate CDs need testing if that leaves you at a lose end :)
[15:39] <rgreening> I may just do that. I was thinking on how best to test.
[15:40] <rgreening> didn't want to lose all my settings in Intrepid.. may have to backup (or is there a vm way to do it?)
[15:40] <claydoh> apachelogger: I just get a freezeup http://paste.ubuntu.com/52482/
[15:40] <apachelogger> getdents64(37, /* 10 entries */, 4096)  = 312
[15:40] <apachelogger> close(37)                               = 0
[15:40] <apachelogger> access("/usr/share/myspell/dicts/en-GB.aff", F_OK) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[15:40] <apachelogger> nice and cosy
[15:41] <apachelogger> uh yeah, it's broken
[15:41] <apachelogger> \o/
[15:41] <Riddell> rgreening: you can try virtualbox, dunno how well that works
[15:41]  * apachelogger thinks a missing dict shouldn't take kmail down
[15:42] <apachelogger> Riddell, rgreening: works pretty well
[15:42] <Riddell> rgreening: also you should be able to install to an existing partition, it'll wipe /usr etc but should keep /home
[15:42] <davmor2> Riddell: new version supports 64bit and works quite well according to heno :)
[15:42] <rgreening> true.. could try that
[15:42] <claydoh> apachelogger: so can I install a different one ?
[15:43] <claydoh> who needs en-gb, us yanks have our own eh?
[15:43] <apachelogger> well
[15:43] <apachelogger> the thing is kmail shouldn't be using en-gb
[15:43] <apachelogger> kmail shouldn't even have it's own spell check setting
[15:43] <claydoh> true
[15:44] <Riddell> rgreening: just make sure not to tick the format box if installing over an existing partition
[15:44] <apachelogger> hm
[15:45] <rgreening> Riddell: kk
[15:45] <apachelogger> claydoh, rgreening: please paste ls -lah /usr/share/myspell/dicts/
[15:46] <rgreening> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52485/
[15:46] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:46] <claydoh> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52486/
[15:47] <apachelogger> claydoh: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root  28K 2008-09-16 10:36 en_GB.aff
[15:47] <apachelogger> shouldn't be crashing for you
[15:47]  * apachelogger doesn't have this file at all
[15:47] <apachelogger> claydoh: run `strace kmail --nofork` and trigger the crash
[15:47] <apachelogger> paste the last couple of lines
[15:47] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: I'm looking at the Intrepid uninstallables and it appears to me that kdeedu is to demote libkiten4 and libkiten-dev to Universe.
[15:48] <apachelogger> claydoh: ah forget about that
[15:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: can you reproduce the hang?
[15:48] <claydoh> ok
[15:48] <apachelogger> bug 275218
[15:48] <apachelogger> technically it should be working for rgreening
[15:48] <rgreening> lm check
[15:49] <rgreening> nope. Kmail is solid for me
[15:49] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: I don't follow
[15:51] <apachelogger> claydoh: try sudo apt-get install --reinstall myspell-en-us myspell-en-gb
[15:51] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Maybe it was done already, but it's showing up on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_probs.html as uninstallable.  When I tested it installs with Universe enabled and not if Main.  It's only rdepend is in Universe.
[15:53] <claydoh> apachelogger: it removes hunspell-en-us
[15:53] <apachelogger> um
[15:53] <apachelogger> claydoh: replace myspell-en-us with hunspell-en-us
[15:54] <claydoh> but it works installing myspell-en-us and -en-gb :)
[15:54] <apachelogger> ok
[15:54] <claydoh> I can email
[15:54] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: mm, right
[15:54] <apachelogger> this is no kmail bug
[15:54] <apachelogger> or actually it is but it is not at the same time
[15:55] <claydoh> is hunspell the default one to use?
[15:55] <rgreening> I have all 3 packages installed on my system. Not sure which apps brought them in. Do we need a dep update for Kmail and one of the spell packages
[15:56] <apachelogger> claydoh: no idea, mysql-en-gb is default and huspell-en-us is as well
[15:56] <apachelogger> too mysterious
[15:56] <apachelogger> rgreening: no
[15:56] <apachelogger> the problem is that for some reason the package don't get installed properly
[15:56] <apachelogger> maybe only upon upgrad even
[15:57] <apachelogger> that's the reason your ls is different from claydoh's
[15:57] <rgreening> claydoh, do you have language-support-writing-en installed?
[15:57] <rgreening> ok
[15:57] <rgreening> so, I need to really test on a clean install to dup
[15:58] <claydoh> apachelogger: no
[15:59] <rgreening> claydoh: was that in response to my Q? regarding language support?
[15:59] <Riddell> ScottK-laptop: ok, demoted and added to excludes to stop it wanting to be rescued into main
[15:59] <claydoh> apachelogger: yes, it is not installed
[16:00] <claydoh> deps on hunspell-en-us
[16:00] <apachelogger> claydoh, rgreening: that is not the problem
[16:01] <apachelogger> dpkg -L will show that the symbolic link and the file it links to are both in huspell-en-us/myspell-en-gb
[16:01] <claydoh> sorry rgreening
[16:01] <claydoh> wrong tabbing skillz here
[16:01] <apachelogger> for some reason teh installation goes wrong which only leaves the link
[16:02] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: The only other KDE one, kleopatra needs the dirmngr MIR approved, which as pitti mentioned will take some thought.
[16:02] <apachelogger> now usually kmail would just not know about $dict if there is no file for $dict, but in this case there is a dict file (the symbolic link), kmail tries to open the dict file and goes wocka because the file it links to is not available (as seen in the claydoh's ls)
[16:02] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Optionally we could unseed kleopatra?
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: found the issue for policykit-kde
[16:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't deal with the concept of admin users
[16:04] <Tonio_> only uses root by default
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have some kde3 code that works with this, I'll port that to the current kde4 one
[16:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: contrib day on thursday so I expect to have something that works then
[16:07] <rgreening> apachelogger: which package? I can look at it
[16:07] <apachelogger> openoffice.org-dictionaries
[16:07] <rgreening> kk
[16:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I know you'll believe it when you see it ;)
[16:09] <apachelogger> claydoh: please add a comment to the upstream KDE bug, saying that the issue is that kmail chocks if a symbolic link goes to $nowhere, please also link to the bug report on launchpad ... I added 2 comments explainig the situation.
[16:11] <claydoh> apachelogger: ok, im on it
[16:12] <rgreening> apachelogger: is it one
[16:12] <apachelogger> rgreening: one what?
[16:14] <rgreening> doh.. typo.
[16:17] <rgreening> apachelogger: waht I was trying to ask was which particular part of the package fails (all links, some links, is it consistant - if you know)
[16:18] <jjesse> morning :)
[16:18] <apachelogger> all I know is that for both myspell-en-gb and huspell-en-us only the links get installed
[16:18] <apachelogger> ahoy jjesse
[16:18] <jjesse> ahoy apachelogger
[16:20] <jjesse> wasn't talk like a pirate day last week?
[16:20] <rgreening> on the oo package, there is no hunspell-en* but there is a myspell-en*
[16:20] <rgreening> apachelogger ^
[16:22] <jtechidna> ScottK-laptop, Riddell:
 jtechidna: not too hard.. add the Plasma::ToolTIpManager and Plasma::ToolTip classes to libplasma
[16:22] <apachelogger> rgreening: where does huspell-en-us come from?
 jtechidna: then add the tooltip code to the panel
 jtechidna: that code doesn't really touch anything else, so it would be pretty eays
[16:22] <rgreening> seperate package it seems... 1 sec lmc
[16:24] <claydoh> which is the correct package for kubuntu? hunspell or myspell?
[16:24] <apachelogger> rgreening: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hunspell-en-us
[16:24] <claydoh> reinstalling either one works for me
[16:25] <claydoh> so I can recommend the correct on in K -f-n
[16:25] <claydoh> and the kde bug report
[16:38] <vorian> !info kpovmodeler intrepid
[16:42] <Riddell> Tonio_: bon chance
[16:43] <Riddell> jtechidna: hmm?
[16:43] <jtechidna> Riddell: looks like taskmanager tooltips are feasible
[16:43]  * jtechidna is taking a stab at it
[16:44] <Riddell> cor
[16:45] <rgreening> apachelogger: I don't think the ooo package is at fault... at least It doesn't install hunspell-en* as it's seperate.
[16:46] <apachelogger> rgreening: it installs myspell-en-gb which was the actual crash cause for me
[16:46] <rgreening> oh... hmm.. lmc
[16:46] <rgreening> I have that package
[16:47] <apachelogger> and still both mysell and hunspell weren't installed properly as documented in the log I attached
[16:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: basically the current kde4 code is based on the pardus kde3 one ported
[16:48] <rgreening> k. I'll check in pbuilder env... see what happens
[16:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: pardus is still maintaining its kde3 codebase so I have to port the changes to kde4.... not an easy job
[16:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: but would be nice to get that done :)
[16:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, sounds fiddly
[16:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: fiddly ? what does this mean ?
[16:49] <Riddell> "Requiring dexterity to operate"
[16:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: most of the code is the same, a good coder could get that done in one or 2 days.... it'll be way longer for me, but I'll try to get it done
[16:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure it is :)
[16:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe if I can find another developper to help....
[17:01] <apachelogger> jtechidna: stop taskmanagering and continue backporting
[17:02]  * jtechidna haz idea, he can taskmanager while backports are building :D
[17:02] <apachelogger> jtechidna: actually
[17:02] <ScottK> jtechidna: That's be REALLY great.
[17:02] <apachelogger> jtechidna: go redo kdegraphics
[17:02] <apachelogger> we still have 4.1.1 in intrepid
[17:03] <jtechidna> uff
[17:03] <jtechidna> apachelogger: we have new tarballs in the magic directory?
[17:03] <apachelogger> yus
[17:03] <jtechidna> I suppose I should just check
[17:03] <jtechidna> :P
[17:16] <jtechidna> gah
[17:17] <jtechidna> forgot to make an Intrepid pbuilder
[17:18] <jtechidna> so while that's going on
[17:18] <jtechidna> How do I add entirely new files to a patch with quilt?
[17:20] <jtechidna> quilt add $file doesn't seem to add the new files to the patch
[17:24] <rgreening> apachelogger: I just built the package and looked at the resulting deb. It's fine. In fact, the deb in the repo is correct also... so, not sure why a symlink would be missing.
[17:25] <apachelogger> not the symlink is missing, the real file is missing
[17:25] <apachelogger> and the part where the deb actually contains the files is also show using dpkg -L in my exhibit-collection.txt :P
[17:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: I extracted the deb and it had the correct files (link and real file)
[17:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: I even remove the en* files and reinstall... works... not sure why your setup and mine is diff in this regard
[17:39] <apachelogger> maybe update-openoffice-dicts messed up
[17:47] <rgreening> maybe...
[17:47] <rgreening> it's not in the myspell or hunspell dict debs... at least with what I tried.
[17:47] <rgreening> hehe dict deb
[17:48]  * rgreening needs to get a life after finding that last line funny
[17:49] <rgreening> apachelogger: what triggers update-openoffice-dicts
[17:49] <apachelogger> rgreening: postinst/postrm
[17:50] <rgreening> hmm.. ran it manemually. no probl
[17:51] <apachelogger> well, not now, maybe it did in the last couple of days
[17:51] <rgreening> hmm... could be... Only way to verify would be to do a live CD
[17:52] <rgreening> and install lang packs and test
[17:52] <apachelogger> well
[17:52] <apachelogger> where does that exec come from
[17:52] <apachelogger> and did that package get updated recently
[17:52] <rgreening> I suspect it's a glitch/hiccup... I'd like to see someone duplicate it in a fresh install
[17:53] <rgreening> hmm
[17:53] <ScottK> jtechidna: I'll be offline for the next several hours, but let me know if you need a tester/uploader for the tooltip fix.
[17:53] <rgreening> I never had the issue at all, and I havew been updated constantly (several times a day while test building). And I use Kmail exclusively for everything
[17:54] <jtechidna> ScottK: I have the patch ready right now I believe, but I'll need to wait until kdegraphics is done to see how badly I maimed plasma
[17:54] <rgreening> jtechidna: me2
[17:55] <jtechidna> rgreening: would you like to test out the patch? I'll pastebin it
[17:55] <rgreening> sure thing
[17:55] <ScottK> jtechidna: OK.  Leave me a link to a debdiff or the patch and I'll look into it later.
[17:55] <jtechidna> have a good day
[17:55] <a|wen> ScottK: thx for the upload yesterday
[17:56] <jtechidna> rgreening: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52523/
[17:56] <rgreening> kool.
[17:56] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll try to see if the maillist bug in kdepim is replicaple today
[17:58] <rgreening> Hey, is there a package that can test the integrity of installed files belonging to packages (i.e. look for missing files - casuging package to be broken)? If not, we should write something. It would help probably resolve some extraneous bugs that crop us when users much their system up
[17:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: it doesn't really matter if it reappears in a new installation it certainly does for updates
[17:58] <rgreening> much/muck
[17:58] <a|wen> if anyone has anything that needs to be tested on gutsy or in relation to a gutsy -> hardy upgrade please send it ... i'll be doing such an upgrade in an hour or two
[17:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: hmmm... Ok, let me test. I built an updated package. I can test the theory 4 you
[18:16] <ScottK> a|wen: You're welcome.  Thanks for looking after the 3.5.10 stuff.
[18:16] <a|wen> no problem
[18:21] <ScottK> rgreening: If you're up for something QT'ish, could you have a look at bug 261380
[18:22] <rgreening> sure
[18:23] <apachelogger> Bug #269880
[18:23] <claydoh> rgreening: I think i will do a fresh install here of the daily I used, I think it was from friday
[18:23] <claydoh> rgreening: to see if i get the kmail bug
[18:23] <apachelogger> rgreening: login and check the .xsession-erros
[18:23] <claydoh> I did over the weekend, it worked for a day then it stopped again
[18:24] <apachelogger> rgreening: it should probably tell what is going on
[18:24] <claydoh> or try a newer one and see if it doesn't
[18:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Thanks.  pitti was interested in seeing it dealt with.
[18:31] <rgreening> ScottK: kk
[18:34] <rgreening> brb... reboot
[18:37] <Riddell> ScottK: do we want kleopatra?
[18:41] <rgreening> apachelogger: works fine on logout/login... but not on boot. something is causeing it to crash (python2.5 prob possibly)
[18:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I think this may be related:  Bug #212388
[19:05] <rgreening> ScottK: Regarding bug 261380, we mirror debians package. How different do we want to be in this respect for this package? Should we file upstream and get them to change? Not sure, there may be a reason for their reasoning...
[19:09] <rgreening> Riddell: Is that patch in kdebase-workspace for kwin/compisite from the kwin11.1 suse guys? Cause I'm getting the repaint issue all over again today.
[19:19] <smarter> uh oh
[19:19] <smarter> Riddell: http://pastebin.com/m5badf8a6
[19:20]  * smarter thinks pyqt needs a rebuild
[19:21] <smarter> Riddell: firefox gives the same error when started, except if GTK2_RC_FILES is not set, so gtk-qt-engine probably needs a rebuild too
[19:32] <davmor2> Riddell: you around still?
[19:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: Confirmed... update-notifier-kde fails to run if there's a waiting crash file entry. See bug: 269880
[19:33] <rgreening> bug 269880
[19:35] <jtechidna> rgreening: I messed something up in the old patch
[19:35] <jtechidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52557/
[19:36] <rgreening> cool
[19:36] <jtechidna> without my fix cmake will fail after like a minute
[19:36] <rgreening> heh
[19:45] <rgreening> is there a way to force an application crash (i.e. so apport catches it)? Need to test something..
[19:51] <jtechidna> rgreening: close a folderview plasmoid
[19:52] <rgreening> lol.. lmt
[19:52] <davmor2> I noticed an interest flaw.  The lightbulbs you get for announcements multiply if you ignore them :)
[19:54] <jtechidna> rgreening: try 3, heh
[19:54] <jtechidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/52560/
[19:57] <smarter> rgreening: kill -SIGSEGV pidoftheapp
[19:58] <rgreening> smarter: good one. ty. I did get a crash in using twitter plasmoid, that achieved my end result. bug 269880 confirmed
[20:00] <apachelogger> hmmm
[20:01] <apachelogger> ScottK: why do we need kleopatra again?