[00:14] <LjL> messed up Gutsy, wrong version of libc6 (don't know where from, current sources.list is fine), it's a server that cannot be rescue booted, suggestions?
[01:36] <Rafik> LjL, sorry i had a network problem..
[01:36] <Rafik> so, for !sa : For the Saudi Arabia team : /join #ubuntu-sa : للانظمام الى قناة الفريق السعودي | For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
[01:37] <Rafik> for !arabic : For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
[15:04] <Hew> Hi. Could I please get a cloak? https://launchpad.net/~hew
[15:04] <erUSUL> !register | Hew have you properly registered the nick??
[15:05] <erUSUL> mail adress and all stuff?
[15:05] <Hew> Yes. I'm registered and identified atm.
[15:07] <erUSUL> PriceChild: nalioth *ICMP ECHO REQUEST" ^^^^
[15:09] <erUSUL> they are the ones who can make the cloak afaik
[15:09] <erUSUL> wait for them to notice
[15:09] <Hew> erUSUL: Thanks, will do :-)
[15:13] <LjL> Hew: i currently can't get hold of a staff member. if you've set up your nickname correctly, though (mail and secondary nickname set), your cloak will be added asap
[15:14] <Hew> LjL: Cool, thanks.
[15:19] <LjL> Hew: you're cloaked
[15:20] <Hew> LjL: Indeed I am. Thanks for your help!
[15:25] <Rafik> LjL, hello
[15:25] <Rafik> sorry for yesterday
[15:25] <LjL> hi Rafik
[15:26] <aim1159> !help
[15:26] <Rafik> LjL, i left messages here about !sa and !arabic
[15:26] <LjL> let me check logs then
[15:28] <LjL> !no sa is <reply> For the Saudi Arabia team : /join #ubuntu-sa : للانظمام الى قناة الفريق السعودي - For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
[15:28] <LjL> !no arabic is <reply> For Arabic language support, please : /join #ubuntu-arabic : للحصول على الدعم باللغة العربية
[15:29] <Rafik> LjL, thank you
[15:29] <LjL> nothing
[15:31] <LjL> my terminal doesn't quite seem to support right-to-left
[15:35] <Rafik> LjL, it's ok here when the window width is enough large
[15:35] <Rafik> using xchat
[15:36] <LjL> Rafik: it works in my irc client too (konversation), but in the console, the arabic letters are reversed in order
[15:36] <LjL> doesn't really matter for me, though
[15:36] <Rafik> :)
[15:37] <Rafik> next step for us is to build an Arabic version of infobot
[15:40] <LjL> Rafik: (an outdated version of) our bot's code can be found at https://code.launchpad.net/~dennis/ubuntu-bots/main
[15:42] <Pici> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak is the most up-to-date code.
[15:42] <Rafik> great :) thank you :)
[15:42] <nalioth> LjL: there is a factoid on cloning ubottu
[15:43]  * nalioth can never remember it
[15:43] <LjL> nalioth: i wasn't aware
[15:43] <LjL> !search bot
[15:43] <LjL> !search clon
[15:43] <LjL> !botclone
[15:43] <nalioth> that's it
[15:44] <LjL> !no botclone is <reply> Ubottu uses supybot, which is available in the main !repositories, with additionals plugins that are available at https://code.launchpad.net/~tsimpson/ubuntu-bots/tweak
[15:45] <Rafik> good.. I think it will be useful in many loco channels
[15:46] <Rafik> another question, is there any way to get Mootbot for loco teams meetings ?
[15:47] <LjL> Rafik: it would seem so, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[15:48] <Rafik> LjL, i'll read this, thanks
[15:53] <LjL> !mootbot is a bot to make the process of summarizing !meetings easier - Information at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScribesTeam/MootBot
[21:59] <jono> hi all
[21:59] <jono> what is the IRC Council ML address?
[21:59] <Nafallo> elky, LjL ?
[22:01] <PriceChild> jono: irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com
[22:01] <jono> thanks PriceChild
[22:06] <LjL> jono, i saw your email
[22:06] <LjL> however, i *am* a member of the irc council
[22:06] <jono> oh
[22:06] <jono> will check over it again
[23:26] <Ktron> If there are operators available to throw me a minute or two of thoughts about what its like to be an Ubuntu IRC Op and why they bother, I would greatly appreciate it-- I'm working a column describing IRC (positively), in particular Freenode and it's open source communities, to people who are currently oblivious to the efforts that go on behind the scene.
[23:37] <LjL> Ktron, for me the foundamental aspect is not having anything better to do than being on irc all the time. once you are on irc all the time, you might (depending on your character i suppose) either be happy with just chatting, or start to have a thing for helping "making things work", or work better
[23:38] <LjL> why bother being an op - well aside from "because i more or less like it", and "because it's supposed to be useful to others", it gives you a few insights on how the dynamics of a group work
[23:38] <LjL> and while there are aspects of a group that are probably just the same with every group, i think irc is unique under some difficult-to-define aspects
[23:40] <Ktron> Difficult-to-define aspects, like the makeup of the groups of people who come here and the sorts of intentions they have?
[23:41] <LjL> what it's like - mostly it's about little things, and well too often it becomes *wasting hours* on very little things, but if/when you manage to escape from those and see the picture from more distant (which i think is the hardest to achieve), then it can become... well, spending hours on little things *that are important*. changing things in the channel subtly, in ways that someone who doesn't know irc deeply, i believe, can rarely appreciate
[23:42] <LjL> Ktron: that, but also the dynamics among the operators themselves, and with the regular users
[23:42] <LjL> regular as in the ones who're not operators but are around all the time
[23:44] <Ktron> LjL, how long have you been an Op yourself? I'm curious, did you run into awkward moments at all when regular users who've been here longer than you acted up?
[23:44] <LjL> Ktron: one second, there is a mess in #ubuntu with bots
[23:47]  * Pici agrees with LjL on most points
[23:47] <Pici> I'd contribute, but I'm just running out the door, sorry.
[23:50] <Ktron> Pici, I appreciate it anyway
[23:51] <LjL> Ktron, i think i've been an op since second quarter 2005
[23:51] <LjL> and, yes