| tjaalton | pwnguin: the tablet-thread on u-d-d | 06:39 |
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| bryce | heya tjaalton | 06:50 |
| wgrant | s/thread/war/ | 06:51 |
| tjaalton | wgrant: well that too | 06:52 |
| tjaalton | bbl-> | 06:54 |
| pwnguin | ah, i dont actually read u-d-d | 06:56 |
| pwnguin | im a bit dissapointed that vicenzo didn't send any mail to the toshiba tablet team he started | 06:57 |
| tjaalton | bryce: hey dude | 07:32 |
| tjaalton | hmm, writing this mail could take the whole day | 08:06 |
| bryce | tjaalton: which email? | 08:27 |
| tjaalton | bryce: the follow-up to the tablet-thread | 08:33 |
| tjaalton | actually, I'll start a new one | 08:33 |
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| bryce | tjaalton: ah, ok; I ignored that thread (just looked like a flame war) | 08:42 |
| wgrant | It's certainly getting that way... | 08:44 |
| tjaalton | people don't realize that things do work just like before if they want to | 08:44 |
| tjaalton | bryce: and that's the reason why I'll start a new thread.. | 08:45 |
| bryce | night | 08:49 |
| tjaalton | night bryce | 08:51 |
| tjaalton | dammit, forgot to remove the sig | 09:05 |
| wgrant | tjaalton: Heh, I wondered if you intended to send that. | 09:36 |
| wgrant | tjaalton: Is the XI property API stuff in your PPA done? | 09:37 |
| tjaalton | oh :) | 10:17 |
| wgrant | Not entirely what I expected... I presume an X crash combined with some bad kernel interaction. | 10:17 |
| wgrant | Damn video drivers. | 10:17 |
| tjaalton | wgrant: evdev uploading | 10:19 |
| wgrant | I guess this means yet another input driver ABI bump... | 10:20 |
| tjaalton | only those that support properties, which is evdev/syaptics | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | +n | 10:21 |
| wgrant | Are you sure? There seems to have been a renumbering of some constants in the first patch. | 10:21 |
| tjaalton | hmm | 10:22 |
| wgrant | (I'm looking at the one sent to the list, not the one you applied, so I might be wrong) | 10:22 |
| tjaalton | well, does evdev work for you otherwise? | 10:22 |
| wgrant | It seems to. | 10:23 |
| wgrant | I have devices. | 10:23 |
| jcristau | wgrant: the patch sent to the list applied to master, which has all the XI2 changes | 10:23 |
| wgrant | I have a minimal xorg.conf. | 10:23 |
| wgrant | So I presume evdev is working its magic. | 10:23 |
| wgrant | jcristau: I suspected something of the sort. | 10:23 |
| wgrant | So it's probably not as dangerous as I initially suspected. | 10:23 |
| tjaalton | the backported properties only changed the numbering of the new stuff | 10:23 |
| jcristau | the XI 1.4 stuff hasn't changed, so only property-using drivers are affected | 10:24 |
| wgrant | OK, excellent. | 10:24 |
| jcristau | might be good to at least bump serverminver though | 10:24 |
| tjaalton | sigh, so many places to touch :) | 10:24 |
| * wgrant kicks buildd-master. | 10:26 | |
| tjaalton | I've forgot what was the name of the function that wacom should use in order to be able to init multiple instances using the same driver | 10:26 |
| wgrant | There are 10 idle i386-xen buildds, yet the build hasn't started. | 10:26 |
| tjaalton | NewFoo.. | 10:26 |
| jcristau | NIDR, i think :) | 10:27 |
| tjaalton | oh right, not NDIR:) | 10:27 |
| tjaalton | lunchshlibs for libxi6 | 10:28 |
| tjaalton | whoops | 10:29 |
| tjaalton | *lunch -> | 10:29 |
| wgrant | Mmmm. lunchshlibs. | 10:29 |
| wgrant | tjaalton: Still hardlocks... any idea how to debug this? | 10:50 |
| Ng | how come we're blacklisting eaglelake? | 11:35 |
| Ng | (that's G45/X4000, right?) | 11:35 |
| tjaalton | Ng: no, something newer | 11:58 |
| tjaalton | wgrant: could be that the evdev upload was incomplete, but can't check right now | 11:59 |
| tjaalton | I'm at a seminar.. | 12:00 |
| Ng | (II) intel(0): VESA VBE OEM: Intel(r)Eaglelake Graphics Chip Accelerated VGA BIOS | 12:02 |
| Ng | that's in my Xorg.0.log at home, which is a G45 | 12:02 |
| Ng | I have no idea what Intel codenames mean, I just remembered that from logs | 12:02 |
| tjaalton | ok, bryce said it would be something experimental | 12:03 |
| Ng | http://ark.intel.com/chipsetgroup.aspx?codeName=26554 | 12:03 |
| tjaalton | maybe a newer revision | 12:03 |
| Ng | well it's different to the PCI ID I have | 12:05 |
| tjaalton | ok | 12:10 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: is NIDR a part of the input-hotplug stuff that daniels wrote? | 13:04 |
| jcristau | yeah. but it's not exported to drivers atm i think | 13:04 |
| tjaalton | right, looked through the changelog.. magnus even did some fixes to it last year | 13:07 |
| tjaalton | unfortunately he's the only one who seems to care about wacom with current servers. too bad he seems to be doing something else atm | 13:10 |
| tjaalton | I mean, work or <gasp> real life | 13:10 |
| bryce | tjaalton: what needs done for wacom? | 17:57 |
| bryce | (heya btw) | 17:57 |
| tjaalton | bryce: a lot, but it's upstreams headache | 18:00 |
| bryce | probably needs rework due to input-hotplug-ness | 18:02 |
| bryce | I wonder what that entails | 18:03 |
| pwnguin | afaik, input hotplug has some work done on it | 18:03 |
| pwnguin | its the serial devices like tabletPC that get the shaft | 18:03 |
| bryce | pwnguin: any ideas on how those could be handled via i-h, or is it completely impossible? | 18:04 |
| pwnguin | i-h is the hal stuff? | 18:04 |
| pwnguin | my theory has been to detect the laptop model and set it up that way | 18:05 |
| bryce | ah good call | 18:05 |
| bryce | i-h != hal, but they do come together | 18:05 |
| pwnguin | but i have no clue how to write .fdi rules for that | 18:05 |
| bryce | or rather, i-h relies on hal | 18:05 |
| bryce | ah, see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config for examples | 18:06 |
| bryce | fdi files are pretty straightforward once you get the hang of them | 18:06 |
| bryce | well, as straightforward as XML can be straightforward | 18:06 |
| pwnguin | whats the difference between append and merge? | 18:06 |
| tjaalton | wacom already has an fdi file, that's not the point | 18:07 |
| bryce | well, I haven't seen a formal definition, but my guess is that append adds a new entry, and merge combines your new settings with any pre-existing settings already made | 18:07 |
| tjaalton | to fully enable the device, you'd need to open it several times (pen/stylus/..) and that's not possible with hal | 18:09 |
| tjaalton | so the driver needs to be reworked to use NewInputDeviceRequest | 18:09 |
| tjaalton | the problem is that it's not exported to drivers as jcristau pointed out | 18:09 |
| tjaalton | I'm not sure if master is any different | 18:09 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: that should be easy to fix | 18:10 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: well yes, but to make the driver use it?-) | 18:10 |
| jcristau | well, hopefully not too hard | 18:10 |
| tjaalton | whot said that -joystick has some hack to work around the current situation, but NIDR is the preferred way | 18:10 |
| jcristau | but, i've never looked at linuxwacom code, so... | 18:11 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: bug 276357, looks fine for debian as well? | 18:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 276357 in xorg "disable xauth for local users" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276357 | 18:17 |
| * Ng sure there is deeper borkage to be found in changing your hostname, but I can't specifically name anything | 18:18 | |
| Ng | I'm just sure that NM shouldn't be doing insane things with my hostname just because I join a network :( | 18:19 |
| jcristau | NM shouldn't change your hostname | 18:20 |
| jcristau | that's utterly wrong and broken, imo | 18:20 |
| tjaalton | but isn't xauth useless for local users? | 18:20 |
| jcristau | why? | 18:23 |
| Ng | tjaalton: run "xauth list" :) | 18:23 |
| Ng | jcristau: I agree, but there are people who will be netbooting dozens/hundreds of identical images and setting the hostname from DHCP, which NM is likely to be doing from 0.7 | 18:24 |
| Ng | it really is growing into a full system-wide network interface configurator | 18:24 |
| jcristau | it really has no business setting the hostname... | 18:24 |
| bryce | tjaalton: ideas on lp #275825 | 18:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275825 in xorg "X does not detect a keyboard after upgrade" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275825 | 18:36 |
| bryce | ? | 18:36 |
| tjaalton | bryce: evdev not installed? | 18:40 |
| tjaalton | maybe xserver-xorg-core should depend on it | 18:41 |
| bryce | yeah | 18:42 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: maybe I just don't see the point in it | 18:42 |
| tjaalton | or dcbw for that matter ;) | 18:43 |
| bryce | tjaalton: this is seen only on upgrades, not fresh installs. My guess is maybe there was some old hal bits that omitted the x11 _driver? See http://heh.fi/tmp/x-problem/x.log esp at the end | 18:43 |
| tjaalton | I remember seeing a bug about this before, where the user changes the hostname from X | 18:43 |
| tjaalton | um, "when X was running" | 18:43 |
| bryce | tjaalton: -evdev is installed | 18:44 |
| tjaalton | bryce: dunno, would have to look closer | 18:45 |
| bryce | http://heh.fi/tmp/x-problem/lshal is the lshal output - note that input.xkb.model = 'evdev' | 18:45 |
| tjaalton | but not driver | 18:46 |
| bryce | right | 18:46 |
| ion_ | What's responsible for setting input.x11_driver? | 18:52 |
| tjaalton | debian-setup-keyboard | 18:53 |
| tjaalton | check /etc/hal/fdi/policy | 18:53 |
| ion_ | debian-setup-keyboard doesn't seem to set anything resembling input.x11_driver | 18:54 |
| ion_ | On another box that has been running intrepid for a while, input.x11_driver is correctly set. | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | right | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | it doesn't | 18:54 |
| tjaalton | but /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-x11-input.fdi does | 18:55 |
| tjaalton | older hal maybe? | 18:55 |
| ion_ | That file looks right. I'll take a better look. | 18:55 |
| tjaalton | or you have some fdi files lying around that break it | 18:55 |
| ion_ | I just installed a fresh 8.04 and then ran do-dist-upgrade -blahblah | 18:56 |
| ion_ | And X didn't find HIDs. | 18:56 |
| tjaalton | cool, a new background image | 18:59 |
| tjaalton | ion_: heh.fi is down? | 19:00 |
| tjaalton | hm no | 19:00 |
| ion_ | hald with --verbose=yes didn't seem to print anything interesting. | 19:03 |
| tjaalton | ion_: I don't see any keyboards in the lshal output, btw.. | 19:03 |
| bdmurray | bryce: what does EDID quirk: Detailed timing is not preferred, use largest mode at 60Hz mean? | 19:03 |
| ion_ | tjaalton: How about the "AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"? | 19:04 |
| tjaalton | ion_: oh, right :) | 19:05 |
| bryce | bdmurray: that means a quirk is needed for working around monitor brokenness | 19:05 |
| bryce | bdmurray: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Quirks | 19:05 |
| tjaalton | ion_: still, 10-x11-input.fdi is not run | 19:05 |
| tjaalton | or read | 19:05 |
| ion_ | So it seems. I wonder how to debug that? | 19:05 |
| ion_ | I'll strace hald. | 19:05 |
| bdmurray | bryce: could the quirk be new between hardy and intrepid? | 19:06 |
| bryce | bdmurray: basically it means that the edid from the monitor was saying "I like resolution foo", but that can't be trusted, so instead pick the highest resolution at 60Hz | 19:06 |
| bryce | bdmurray: maybe; I'd need to check | 19:06 |
| bdmurray | bryce: the quirks page doesn't say where to find the files with quirk information | 19:08 |
| bryce | bdmurray: which info exactly do you need? | 19:08 |
| jcristau | tjaalton: re: localuser.sh, it probably makes sense to add it. i guess i'd just like the NM people to stop being crazy... | 19:09 |
| tjaalton | jcristau: yeah that's another story ;) | 19:09 |
| bdmurray | bryce: I was jut looking at bug 273543 and saw that message in Xorg.log | 19:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 273543 in xorg "Laptop external screen resolution wrong" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/273543 | 19:09 |
| bdmurray | bryce: Additionally, it seems like if the wiki page tells people a file to check it'd be useful to know where that file can be found | 19:10 |
| tjaalton | ion_: --verbose should show the order the fdi files are loaded | 19:11 |
| bryce | bdmurray: ah, it does say a couple paragraphs above that, the file is in the file hw/xfree86/modes/xf86EdidModes.c, however I could see how that's missed. I'll update. | 19:13 |
| ion_ | I renamed /var/cache/hald/fdi-cache away, it works now. According to strace, hald stat'd the x11 fdi file but never opened it. | 19:14 |
| bdmurray | bryce: right, where can I look at that file? | 19:14 |
| tjaalton | ion_: did you reboot? | 19:15 |
| tjaalton | ion_: after the upgrade | 19:15 |
| bryce | bdmurray: it's in the xorg-server package | 19:15 |
| ion_ | Yes | 19:16 |
| tjaalton | ion_: bug pitti then, that cache should probably be removed at some point :) | 19:17 |
| ion_ | Perhaps hald's postinst should just rm it. :-) | 19:17 |
| tjaalton | I'm not sure if it was from the hardy install or what | 19:17 |
| tjaalton | but nice that you found out why it didn't work | 19:17 |
| tjaalton | gone -> | 19:22 |
| bdmurray | bryce: there's no bug number referenced for the quirk used... | 19:22 |
| bryce | bdmurray: bummer | 19:24 |
| * bryce looks at the bug again | 19:24 | |
| jcristau | seems like it's just different choices for initial configuration between the two xserver versions | 19:26 |
| bryce | bdmurray: /* Acer AL1706 */ | 19:31 |
| bryce | if (memcmp (DDC->vendor.name, "ACR", 4) == 0 && | 19:31 |
| bryce | DDC->vendor.prod_id == 44358) | 19:31 |
| bryce | return TRUE; | 19:31 |
| bryce | (found by searching on the prod_id number) | 19:32 |
| bdmurray | bryce: right I saw that, some them reference a bug number though and that one doesn't | 19:32 |
| bryce | yeah, next to look in upstream's git log | 19:32 |
| bryce | I always put in bug id's but not everyone does | 19:32 |
| bryce | aha | 19:35 |
| bryce | commit cc4eb1c7ea1bace7ed69cfd80c99d22933282ae1 | 19:35 |
| bryce | Author: Keith Packard <keithp@neko.keithp.com> | 19:35 |
| bryce | Date: Fri Apr 13 15:04:29 2007 -0300 | 19:35 |
| bryce | Add quirk for Acer AL1706 monitor to force 60hz refresh. | 19:35 |
| bryce | 19:35 | |
| bryce | This Acer monitor reports support for 75hz refresh via EDID, and yet when | 19:35 |
| bryce | that rate is delivered, the monitor does not sync and reports out of range. | 19:35 |
| bryce | Use the existing 60hz quirk for this monitor. | 19:35 |
| bryce | (cherry picked from commit 1328a288e9030a472a915077160f090d1afd4126) | 19:35 |
| bryce | bdmurray: I don't think keithp works to a bug tracker - he just knows when X is bad or good | 19:37 |
| bryce | bdmurray: is this giving you the info you're looking for? | 19:39 |
| bryce | that quirk appears to have been in the codebase since before hardy | 19:40 |
| bdmurray | bryce: yeah, I think so. People could also use http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-xorg/xserver/xorg-server.git;a=tree to check for quirk info right? | 19:40 |
| bryce | yes | 19:41 |
| bryce | the one caveat is that there may be differences between that and what we actually ship in ubuntu | 19:41 |
| bryce | I always grab the current source, then cd into it, run './debian/rules patch', and then look at the file | 19:41 |
| bryce | that accounts for any quirk patches we are carrying | 19:41 |
| bryce | bdmurray: oh also monitor quirk bugs like 273543 can be filed against xorg-server rather than xorg | 19:43 |
| bdmurray | bryce: cool, I'm trying to work through the regression- tagged X bugs | 19:43 |
| bryce | ah cool | 19:44 |
| bryce | I'm making another pass through the -ati bugs today | 19:45 |
| bdmurray | If you see any bugs tagged unnecessarily as regressions feel free to remove the tag | 19:46 |
| bryce | ok | 19:46 |
| bdmurray | tjaalton: bug 260589 might have the information you need now | 20:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260589 in xkeyboard-config "combining diacritics replaced by deadkeys" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260589 | 20:18 |
| Sonne | hi | 20:21 |
| Sonne | do you think it is safe to backport xcb from intrepid to hardy? | 20:21 |
| bryce | Sonne: probably; why do you ask? | 20:24 |
| Sonne | because i want to use awesome3, and it requires newer xcb than the ones in hardy | 20:24 |
| Sonne | i know xcb are part of xorg's "internals", but i don't know xorg infrastructure so much to be able to determine the risk of such an action :) | 20:25 |
| Sonne | well i'll try, let's hope i don't break anything :) | 20:27 |
| Sonne | aw... i just found out that even intrepid's xcb are not new enough.. | 20:29 |
| Sonne | i fear i will have to git | 20:29 |
| bryce | good luck | 20:29 |
| Sonne | any better ideas than git'ing lastest xcb-util, copying debian/, incrementing changelog and debuilding? | 20:29 |
| Sonne | :P | 20:29 |
| bryce | that ought to work | 20:30 |
| bryce | you may need to rebuild libx11 as well | 20:30 |
| Sonne | oh, there's no need to git, xcb 0.3.0 are out already as release | 20:30 |
| Sonne | hrm | 20:30 |
| Sonne | why's that? | 20:31 |
| bryce | xcb replaces some of libx11's internals. | 20:31 |
| bryce | but I don't know how it's all glued together internally | 20:31 |
| Sonne | i know less than you, so wish me luck.. | 20:32 |
| jcristau | Sonne: xcb-util and libxcb aren't the same thing.. | 20:32 |
| Sonne | well they pertain to the same source package | 20:32 |
| jcristau | no | 20:33 |
| Sonne | http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/libxcb-event0 <-- so it says here... | 20:33 |
| Sonne | source is xcb-util | 20:33 |
| bryce | Sonne: jcristau's right. libxcb-event != libxcb | 20:34 |
| Sonne | nice | 20:34 |
| bryce | xcb-util is a wrapper atop libxcb | 20:34 |
| Sonne | hrm | 20:34 |
| bryce | maybe you'll need to upgrade both? | 20:35 |
| Sonne | the package i'm trying to compile says it doesn't find xcb-{event,aux,atom,keysyms,icccm} and cairo-xcb | 20:35 |
| Sonne | what should i do then? | 20:35 |
| Sonne | except for the cairo thing, all seem to pertain to xcb-util | 20:35 |
| Sonne | so xcb-util and libxcb seem to be separate projects.. maybe i don't need to backport both | 20:36 |
| bryce | could be | 20:38 |
| bryce | could you pastebin the full error log? | 20:38 |
| Sonne | you mean cmake's? | 20:38 |
| bryce | yeah | 20:39 |
| Sonne | http://rafb.net/p/mMY4AQ88.html | 20:39 |
| Sonne | actually it's no longer reproducible, i've tried luck and installed the backported xcb-util | 20:39 |
| Sonne | now it's only complaining about cairo-xcb, i still have to figure out what the hell it's about | 20:40 |
| Sonne | stating to google, only people that got to compile this thing made it on archlinux | 20:40 |
| bryce | yeah there's probably also an xcb-enabled cairo package that it's looking for or something | 20:41 |
| bryce | not in ubuntu; maybe available from the cairo website | 20:41 |
| Sonne | maybe ubuntu's cairo already silently integrates xcb patch... | 20:41 |
| Sonne | i'll take a look to debian/patches | 20:42 |
| Sonne | nah, nothing | 20:43 |
| Sonne | let's take a look at cairo's website | 20:43 |
| jcristau | cairo in sid has the xcb backend enabled, at least | 20:43 |
| jcristau | i'd guess intrepid also has that | 20:44 |
| Sonne | hrm | 20:44 |
| Sonne | xcb support is included in upstream cairo | 20:44 |
| Sonne | but it's disabled via ./configure in debian/rules | 20:44 |
| Sonne | so, a little 'enable' instead of 'disable' and a debuild should do the trick | 20:45 |
| bryce | aha | 20:45 |
| jcristau | not sure what old cairo package you're looking at then.. | 20:45 |
| Sonne | hardy's | 20:45 |
| Sonne | cairo-1.6.0 | 20:46 |
| Sonne | should i backport that too from intrepid? | 20:46 |
| jcristau | probably not | 20:46 |
| Sonne | guess it's risky | 20:46 |
| Sonne | or maybe not | 20:47 |
| Sonne | on hardy's sources, xcb support is marked as "experimental" | 20:47 |
| Sonne | maybe it's not on intrepid's | 20:47 |
| Sonne | oh, on intrepid is still marked as experimental & unsupported, but it's enabled by default | 20:47 |
| Sonne | there must be a reason i guess | 20:48 |
| Sonne | well, intrepid's cairo requires too many libs from intrepid, i'll stick with 1.6 | 20:48 |
| jcristau | the reason it's enabled in the cairo package now is that awesome 3 needed it | 20:49 |
| Sonne | but awesome3 isn't in intrepid either | 20:49 |
| jcristau | right | 20:49 |
| Sonne | is it being worked on? | 20:50 |
| jcristau | but, ubuntu packages come from debian... | 20:51 |
| jcristau | most of them anyway | 20:51 |
| Sonne | on launchpad there's just a bug report suggesting to use debian/experimental's | 20:51 |
| Sonne | and people exchanging their opinions | 20:51 |
| Sonne | no traces of "serious" work at first sight | 20:51 |
| Sonne | meh, now i need libev, which require debhelper >=7... | 20:54 |
| Sonne | i'm starting to no longer see the end of this | 20:55 |
| Sonne | oh my, it compiles! | 20:59 |
| * Sonne cheers | 20:59 | |
| Sonne | no, it doesn't | 20:59 |
| Sonne | haha, now it does! | 21:08 |
| Sonne | thanks jcristau and bryce :) | 21:08 |
| bdmurray | bryce: bug 260341 seems really interesting | 21:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260341 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[945G] wrong LCD resolution detected" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260341 | 21:30 |
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