[00:25]  * flyback bbl
[03:07] <overrider> is there a way i can configure my nvidia card laptop & large dvi connected monitor so that when i am starting up with the monitor connected, the laptop display truly and completely is off / sleeps? all apps have to start on the secondary monitor. is that possible? thanks
[03:09] <eca> i removed gdm, when i boot i have to ctrl alt f6, then login, then startx. how can i set it up so that it goes straight to command line login?
[03:51]  * flyback feels like he is about to have a stroke
[03:51] <zoredache> call the doctor?
[04:04]  * flyback bbl
[06:24] <evilbug> how can i change the order of autostarted apps?
[09:04]  * vussvillem is trying /me
[09:15] <kingmilo> Hi All. Im about to install Xubuntu, the reason i am using it as apposed to ubuntu is that i have read it is a bit quicker, not so resource intensive. Im looking to get the best performance i can out of my desktop, minimal is better for me. Does anyone know if during the installation i can select the packages i want installed instead of having a bloated installation? - thanks.
[09:28] <zoredache> kingmilo: you will get most things by default.  You could use the expert install, or do a cli install but it is probably easier to just install and remove what you down't need
[09:30] <kingmilo> thanks.
[11:29] <overrider> hello, i have a asus laptop with nvidia card; i daily connect an external dvi monitor to my laptop. is it possible to configure xubuntu in a way so that when i connect my external screen, ONLY the external screen is used, and the laptop display itself is powered off, or at least not in use at all? thank you for any suggestions
[11:29] <knome> overrider, have you tried nvidia-settings
[11:32] <overrider> knome: hey, yes i have played. the best i could do until now is to have two displays working at the same time, external is primary display, but still some things show up on the laptop display, some icons from desktop, and also some apps are started on laptop display, especially when my mouse pointer by accident slipped over to the laptop screen.
[11:33] <overrider> what i really would like is not to have the external and internal display work together, but basically seperate. once the big monitor is connected, i really dont need to have the laptop monitor on or in use at all
[11:34] <knome> overrider, you can add a mode where the laptop monitor is turned off
[11:35] <overrider> knome: ok so its all in nvidia-settings? or do i have to manually get down to my xorg.conf?
[11:35] <knome> overrider, it's in nvidia-settings
[11:36] <overrider> knome: ok thanks then, ill keep trying
[11:37] <knome> overrider, at least there used to be a setting like that
[11:37] <knome> overrider, does nvidia-settings recognise your monitor?
[11:39] <overrider> knome: yes it does. also most things in there work fine, eg. rearranging order of screens and stuff. i just read maybe try to start with laptop lid closed, though i am not sure yet (if it works at all), if that is a good idea heatwise... anyhow ill keep playing
[11:40] <knome> overrider, ok, hope you'll get it sorted out
[11:40] <overrider> really want only ext monitor to work, mainly really due to real eastate on the desk, too many screens
[11:40] <knome> hah, there is never too many screens ;)
[11:40] <overrider> he
[11:54] <knome> eh
[11:55] <knome> 70meg pdf...
[11:55] <knome> nice
[11:55] <knome> anybody wants that with bcc in email? :P
[13:44] <DaveKong> How does one make it so one hard disk boots Windows and the other Xubuntu?
[13:45] <DaveKong> Can I put windows on one disk and both a 32bit and 64bit xubuntu one the other or all on one and if two xubuntu installs are on a disk can they use the same swap partition?
[14:21] <mkan> hello. I installed Xubuntu 8.04 and whenever i bring up a networking interface (upon doing the route add default gw 192.168.1.1) every application that displays graphical content freezes: firefox, even gnomine!! (terminal and other simple applications, or even vlc draw correctly)
[14:21] <mkan> what could be the problem?
[14:22] <mkan> i may be lacking some packages because i did a pretty "small" install, not installing packages i would not need
[14:25] <mkan> any clues? the problem is similar(maybe the same) to http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=840686 but that dude has obviously got some obsession with trojans and conspiracy theories
[14:50] <lunartic> hello all
[14:50] <lunartic> I'm looking for a gui for fsck.  Can you give me some suggestions?
[15:10] <knome> lunartic, search synaptic :P
[15:11]  * gnomefreak didnt find oue
[15:11] <gnomefreak> one
[15:15] <knome> then there isn't one on the ubuntu repositories
[15:15] <knome> anyway i don't know why one would want a gui for fsck
[15:20] <lunartic> knome: curiousity
[15:21] <knome> curiosity killed the cat.
[15:21] <lunartic> and my hard drive :p
[15:45] <mkan> fixed by installing libpng12-0/intrepid
[16:06] <vussvillem> ﻿I have a Xfce desktop wallpaper problem. I guess it's Ubuntu specific
[16:06] <vussvillem> ﻿every time when I startup my laptop, 4/5 left-right part of my custom desktop picture is covered by Xubuntu default desktop picture. I have no idea, why
[16:06] <vussvillem> ﻿when I deleted the Xubuntu 8.04 default desktop picture from my system - the 4/5 left-right part of my custom desktop picture is covered with blue rectangle :)
[16:09] <vussvillem> http://nagi.ee/photos/photo_sizes.php?id=7878533&size=o&album_id=127405
[16:10] <htetrasme> Anyone around?
[16:10] <htetrasme> I have a question.
[16:11] <knome> just ask
[16:12] <htetrasme> Thanks -- I booted my install and for some reason the taskbar and menu bar don't show up.
[16:12] <htetrasme> Anyone know how to correct this?
[16:12] <bytor4232> htetrasme: hit alt-f2 and type in xfce4-panel
[16:13] <htetrasme> Works! Thanks a lot.
[16:14] <bytor4232> htetrasme: When looking for support on IRC its best to ask, and wait.  Most of us lurk while we work, it may take us a half hour or more to realize someone is looking for support.
[16:14] <bytor4232> htetrasme: And that goes for any IRC based support solution.  Its the same in most of the channels.
[16:15] <htetrasme> Sure -- no problem. It's the first time I'd looked for support on IRC.
[16:15] <htetrasme> It just seemed an odd problem; I didn't know how I would search for it!
[16:15] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Also, sometimes if noone responds, it means we don't know ;)
[16:16] <htetrasme> Ha! Very fair!
[16:16] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Thats a common problem with xfce and xubuntu.  It typically means you ran out of memory while booting.
[16:17] <htetrasme> Oh, OK. I had guessed that ,might be it but rebooting didn't help.
[16:18] <bytor4232> htetrasme: If you continue to have problems with the desktop iso, try the alternate iso.  Its text based, but still fairly easy to use.
[16:19] <htetrasme> Text based install, or UI you mean?
[16:20]  * vussvillem is continueing his own thing: I've filed a bug on my problem as well https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfdesktop4/+bug/275747
[16:20] <vussvillem> yap :D thats mine :D
[16:23] <vussvillem> Important thing, probably, is that when I point my custom desktop picture again and fix the problem, it is OK even when I restart X system (ctrl+alt+del). It only happens when I shut down and start up
[16:24] <vussvillem> But with laptop, shut down and startup are not so seldom events ;)
[16:25] <bytor4232> htetrasme: The alternate ISO is a text based installer that runs on very little ram.
[16:25] <htetrasme> Right; then that's what I think I used to install on the system in question.
[16:25] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Honestly, I don't use the desktop iso, also known as the live iso.  In fact, i don't install with Xubuntu at all, not even the alternate.
[16:27] <htetrasme> Thanks for your help all the same, hitting alt-f2 at startup is not the worst of chores.
[16:27] <bytor4232> htetrasme: I use the mini.iso located here:  http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/hardy-updates/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[16:28] <bytor4232> htetrasme: Its only 9 megs, when it boots I enter "cli" at the boot prompt.
[16:28] <bytor4232> htetrasme: After thats done, I reboot, log in, and run "apt-get install xubuntu-desktop"
[16:29] <bytor4232> htetrasme: In fact, at my house, I don't even use the mini.iso, I boot over the network from my server using the netboot.tar.gz
[16:29] <htetrasme> Hmm... I think I will do that on my next install...
[16:29] <Hillshum_> How do I change the default word processor?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Hillshum_: right-click on a text document and click Open with...
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Pick the app you want to default to and it will change the default for all docs of that type
[16:47] <Malone> !lowmem
[16:52] <Malone> guys how do i make it so when i boot i only login to a CLI and then from there type a command if i want to use xfce?
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Malone, you can disable gdm starting
[16:53] <cody-somerville> Malone, and then you can run startxfce4
[16:55] <DCPom> what does sticking a window do?
[16:55] <Malone> cody, ok! so to disable gdm starting do i change to failsafe terminal or?
[16:55] <cody-somerville> DCPom, Makes it visible on all your desktops
[16:55] <DCPom> ooh that's a neat trick, thans
[16:55] <DCPom> thanks*
[16:56] <cody-somerville> Malone, no, you use Applications > System > Services
[16:57] <Malone> cody-somerville: ok.. should i disable the "load gnome blah blah" setting?
[16:57] <cody-somerville> disable gdm
[16:57] <cody-somerville> "Graphical Login Manager"
[17:00] <Malone> cody-somerville: do i need apport enabled?
[17:00] <Malone> totally unrelated but yeh
[17:11] <Malone> cody-somerville: its normal to haveto sudo start xfce?
[17:12] <cody-somerville> If the x server isn't running, yes.
[17:12] <TheSheep> no, you should never start xfce with sudo
[17:12] <Malone> cody-somerville: but like it will work just the same as before this way yea?
[17:13] <Malone> asin ill lose no functionability to X right?
[17:13] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, X has to run as root
[17:13] <cody-somerville> Malone, No
[17:13] <cody-somerville> Malone, you'll loose the functionality provided by a login manager
[17:13] <TheSheep> cody-somerville: it's suid-ed, it will run as root anyways, but not the rest of xfce
[17:14] <Malone> cody-somerville: is a login manager needed for ssh server?
[17:14] <cody-somerville> Malone, no
[17:14] <Malone> k
[17:14] <cody-somerville> TheSheep, oh, okay.
[17:14] <TheSheep> Malone: and it doesn't need xfce either
[17:14] <Malone> ...so what do i do then TheSheep ?
[17:15] <cody-somerville> Malone, that would require us knowing what you *want* to do? :P
[17:16] <Malone> be able to use a gui the same as i did before but without using  a GDM..
[17:17] <TheSheep> Malone: why you don't want gdm?
[17:17] <Malone> because i was reading !lowmem and it says removing it helps
[17:17] <Malone> very old pc
[17:17] <zoredache> so you have a command line, and you want to start the gui?  Is startxfce4 perhaps the command your looking for?
[17:17] <Malone> oh 4
[17:17] <Malone> i didnt add that
[17:17] <TheSheep> and without sudo
[17:18] <Malone> ok thx ill try that!
[17:23] <Malone> worked ! :)
[17:24] <Malone> but for some reason it seems im using more RAM then before :<
[17:24] <Malone> and less swap
[17:25] <Malone> im trying to make a shortcut to terminal whats the command to open one pls?
[17:25] <Malone> eg in ubuntu its gnome-terminal
[17:25] <Malone> xfce-terminal ? :D
[17:26] <Malone> where'd u all go :x
[17:28] <zoredache> xfce4-terminal
[17:28] <Malone> thx zoredache
[17:31] <cody-somerville> Malone, you want it using more ram and less swap
[17:32] <cody-somerville> Malone, you always want as much ram being used as possible because it is so so so much faster than if it gets swapped.
[17:32] <zoredache> cody-somerville: I think his problem is that it is using all the ram, and then some swap...
[17:33] <cody-somerville> Whats wrong with that?
[17:34] <zoredache> the computer gets painfully slow when you don't have enough ram, and you are running from swap?
[17:38] <Malone> yea it seems better tho.. like when i boot its using 90/120 ram and 50/300 swap and with irssi and firefox open im using 82/128  105-300
[17:39] <Malone> fells better than before
[17:39] <Malone> before id be using 150 + on swap and 10-20 more on ram
[17:39] <Malone> fells = feels
[17:43] <zoredache> it won't be as great of a web experience, but you might want to try an alternate browser.  For example midori seems faster then firefox...
[17:50] <Malone> ive disabled font anti aliasing and a few other things,running firefox with 3 tabs open atm no worries :D
[18:13] <Malone> exit
[18:31] <bioterror> evening
[18:39] <zelhar> Hello, I am running x64 Xubuntu  and unable to use the ATI drivers and so unable to use widescreen resolution. My system is: Q6600, sapphire HD3650, P5Q-pro, 4GBDDR2-800. Oddly enough OpenSUSE works fine without any configuration changes
[18:47] <bioterror> small problem. i noticed that xubuntu is missing application menu with turkish language settings
[18:48] <knome> bioterror, but you still can add it?
[18:48] <bioterror> there is that menu, but its empty
[18:49] <knome> aha
[18:49] <bioterror> theres 5months old bug report on launchpad about that
[18:49] <knome> >__<
[18:49] <knome> cody-somerville, ^
[18:50] <cody-somerville> bug #?
[18:50] <knome> i hope that will be addressed before 8.10.
[18:50] <bioterror> ill give it to you soon
[18:50] <bioterror> using communicator atm.
[18:51] <knome> bug 210773
[18:51] <knome> is it that?
[18:51] <bioterror> y
[18:51] <zoredache> Someone should test to see if the bug is still present in the recent daily perhaps?
[18:52] <bioterror> yes it is ;)
[18:53] <cody-somerville> It says fixed in Intrepid
[18:53] <bioterror> hmmm...
[18:53] <knome> but it still is present in daily build?
[18:54] <bioterror> should i upgrade my mother in laws hardy ti intrepid?
[18:54] <bioterror> to
[18:55] <zoredache> probably not yet
[19:01] <bioterror> well, father in law just have to deal with finnish then ;)
[19:02] <knome> o.O
[19:02] <knome> what's wrong with finnish
[19:02] <bioterror> nothing, but it's not his mother language ;)
[19:02] <knome> k
[19:02] <knome> fathers usually are not mothers
[19:03] <knome> eh eh ;)
[19:03] <bioterror> thoho
[19:30] <zoredache> so xfdesktop has started using 100% of my cpu, is there any trick to figure out what it is actually doing?
[19:57] <bioterror> if I don't have a .confi/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml, where this xfce reads the menu config?
[19:57] <bioterror> config even
[19:57] <bioterror> and where can I change it
[20:35] <ron_o> if you've tried everything,every kind of *kill* command, and some process won't end, the only way to end it is a restart, right?
[20:35] <knome> ron_o, kill -s kill [pid]
[20:35] <ron_o> mplayer has started and it won't end after I played a video last night.
[20:35] <ron_o> ok.
[20:36] <ron_o> that did it. I
[20:36] <ron_o> I'll write that down. :)
[20:36] <knome> yeah, np
[21:03] <thinkmassive> I just updated ~/.profile   how can I have the settings applied immediately?
[21:03] <thinkmassive> whoa, nevermind, I figured it out as soon as I posted the question (figures...)
[21:07] <thinkmassive> it seems I spoke to soon, the changes are lost when I close the terminal window
[21:07] <thinkmassive> any way to make it persistent without logging out?
[21:50] <S-i-A> hi
[21:50] <S-i-A> how can i disable default keyring?
[21:50] <S-i-A> make me crazy :)
[21:51] <S-i-A> every time must i enter the password to connect Wireless
[21:54] <albert> 3
[21:54] <S-i-A> hi again
[21:55] <S-i-A> any soulution for default keyring!??
[21:56] <S-i-A> any idea?
[21:57] <knome> S-i-A, set the password to none
[21:57] <knome> S-i-A, = remove the password
[21:57] <S-i-A> how?
[21:57] <S-i-A> knome:
[21:59] <knome> can't remember how that's donwe
[21:59] <knome> *done
[21:59] <knome> sudo apt-get install gnome-keyring-manager
[21:59] <knome> and run that
[22:00] <S-i-A> knome: if you can't remember, dont answer ;)
[22:00] <knome> you should be able to unset password
[22:00] <S-i-A> and that is not a solution
[22:00] <knome> S-i-A, duh, so it's better that you don't get an answer at all?
[22:00] <knome> why is it not a solution?
[22:00] <S-i-A> because isn't answer
[22:01] <albert> S-i-A, I just messed with it in different configurations till it worked, and then left it.
[22:01] <S-i-A> gnome keyring install just make boolshit
[22:01] <knome> whatever...
[22:01] <albert> I did have that problem initially,. and still do occasionally on other networks
[22:03] <albert> I would suggest going to setting>settings manager> auto start apps... make sure it is there.
[22:04] <albert> Wi-Fi radar was also part of my solution.
[22:04] <S-i-A> albert: in autostart is just the networkmanager
[22:05] <S-i-A> i cant remove it becuase i need it
[22:05] <albert> No don't remove it
[22:05] <S-i-A> for wireless contacting
[22:05] <albert> just make sure it is there,...
[22:06] <S-i-A> isn't there
[22:06] <albert> go to add/remove programs and get wi fi radar
[22:07] <albert> applications>system>add/remove programs
[22:07] <S-i-A> iam not newb
[22:07] <S-i-A> inow search for aplication without GUI ;)
[22:07] <S-i-A> ok thanx
[22:08] <albert> sorry I am this is my first time here. I can trouble shoot though, and that is how i fixed the problem when i had it.