[00:38] <nixternal> hola people
[00:39] <JontheEchidna> y hello thar
[01:18] <seele> Riddell: hmm.. can you still call Tea "tea" if you don't serve tea?
[03:21] <ScottK> Riddell: kleopatra is not essential to get GPG and S/MIME working for Kontact (which is why we didn't promote it for Gutsy).  It does add certificate management U/I that is hugely helpful for S/MIME and so I always use it.  Since we try to be user friendly, I think we want it, but it's not essential.
[03:23] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^
[08:37] <Arby> morning all
[08:38] <davmor2> Morning :)
[09:22] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:30] <Tonio_> hum.... am I the only one who gets an ldap protocol issue when starting konversation ? that may be due to the fact I'm using ldap in kontact and konversation tries to get them somehow....
[10:03] <yuriy> fun konsole bug -- different windows seem to want to stay the same size
[10:12] <Riddell> seele: I never have tea with my tea
[10:25] <davmor2> Riddell: on wubi I'm still getting the lightbulb telling me that "incomplete Language Support" but when you click on it it opens up a window with english greyed out and an install button but it doesn't install anything :-/
[10:28] <Riddell> davmor2: only one?  I get three
[10:29] <davmor2> I get one but it never goes away
[10:29] <Riddell> yep, needs work post beta
[10:29] <davmor2> Riddell: I'll note a bug on it shortly
[10:31] <davmor2> Riddell: should jockey autostart on Kubuntu like it does on Ubuntu and xubutnu?
[10:31] <Riddell> davmor2: yes
[10:32] <Riddell> it does too, no idea if it shows up though, I don't have any non-free hardware
[10:33] <davmor2> well it hasn't yet system has been on for a while.  I'll confirm with a really install rather than a wubi one after
[10:50] <eagles0513875> is there someone i can talk to bout getting unbanned from motu channel so that i may start helping to pkg things
[10:53] <davmor2> Riddell: are you able to do a wubi test on the latest cd's?
[10:55] <davmor2> Riddell: I need to confirm a shutdown issue
[11:11] <Riddell> davmor2: not until this afternoon (when girlfriend doesn't need her computer)
[11:12] <davmor2> :)
[11:15] <davmor2> Riddell: well when you get chance just see if you have this issue https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/276693
[12:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: kleopatra is only the GUI part of the Ägypten stack, and from the selftest it runs at startup I would say half the stack is unusable because of gpgme being compiled without gpgconf
[12:50] <apachelogger> sebas: yo, what's the ETA for .2?
[12:50] <rgreening> morning all
[12:50] <sebas> apachelogger: I'm on the release announcement now ... maybe 2 hours or so?
[12:51] <apachelogger> sebas: sounds terrific :)
[12:59] <apachelogger> eagles0513875: the person who banned you would probably make sense
[12:59] <apachelogger> otherwise the ubuntu irc operators
[13:02] <stdin> apachelogger: currently in progress
[13:03] <apachelogger> <3 progress :)
[13:27] <sebas> apachelogger: correction, release tomorrow, some last minute fix went in
[14:01] <seele> huh, canonical marketing is handling UX?  does that mean mpt is going to change departments or is this new UX initiative only concerned with artwork?
[14:06] <Hobbsee> seele: UX?
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: This is about as far as I can get with tooltips: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52820/
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> Fails during the linking of libplasma
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> so I'm probably doing something stupid that I'm not realizing
[14:08] <seele> Hobbsee: user experience.. something sabdfl has been throwing around in blog entries
[14:08] <apachelogger> sebas: oh kay
[14:09] <Hobbsee> seele: oh.  right.
[14:09] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: can i ask you something in pm
[14:10] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: no.
[14:10] <eagles0513875> k
[15:07] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: bug 276588 needs some sponsoring
[15:42] <\sh> Riddell: in what package I can find now the libQtGui.so.4 ?
[15:43] <\sh> ah libqt4gui
[15:43] <apachelogger> lol
[15:44] <apachelogger> \sh: are you going to backport quassel .2 or should we try to get an exception?
[15:44] <\sh> apachelogger: try to get an exception..I'm trying to fix ia32_linsd
[15:44] <\sh> ia32-libs
[15:45] <apachelogger> oh kay
[16:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: Did you see JontheEchidna's paste on tooltips?  Could you have a look at it?
[16:03] <ScottK> apachelogger: I think 276588 ought to wait until after the beta is out.
[16:03] <apachelogger> k
[16:05] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is the linking error?
[16:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52639/
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> aseigo said I was missing the tooltip class from libs/plasma/private
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> but I have that in my patch
[16:09] <JontheEchidna> so I'm probably doing something wrong
[16:12] <apachelogger> apparently
[16:13] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: should there be a plasma/tooltip.h as well as the plasma/tooltip_p.h?
[16:14] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: it's plasma/private/tooltip_p.h
[16:15] <rgreening> hmm..
[16:15] <apachelogger> private header files have _p
[16:17] <apachelogger>  JontheEchidna: patch looks good to me(tm)
[16:17] <JontheEchidna> well it doesn't work, lol
[16:17] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: so, in the log, tooltipmanager.cpp doesn't recognize the member functions, which means it has no reference (i.e. no header defining them), correct? at least that's how I read it...
[16:18] <apachelogger> rgreening: technically
[16:18] <apachelogger> but #include <private/tooltip_p.h>
[16:18] <apachelogger> public:
[16:18] <apachelogger>     void updateTheme();
[16:19] <rgreening> right, that's why I was thinking you need a public tooltip.h
[16:19]  * rgreening could be wrong though
[16:20] <apachelogger> well, the slot is public, if the file itself is doesn't really matter there AFAIK
[16:21]  * apachelogger needs to find some food
[16:21] <rgreening> does the include line in the .cpp for tooltip_p.h need to come before the tooltipmanager.h include?
[16:21] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: ^
[16:24]  * JontheEchidna pulls up the patch
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> in tooltipmanager.cpp
[16:25] <JontheEchidna> tooltipmanager.h comes before the tooltip_p.h include
[16:27]  * rgreening wonders if it needs the reverse
[16:27] <rgreening> cause tooltipmanager refs stuff in the private include (just thinking...)
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> well I guess it's worth a shot
[16:30] <JontheEchidna> but it begs the question "how does this stuff work in trunk?"
[16:32] <rgreening> hmm... ok, I'm at a loss.
[16:32]  * rgreening builds it for myself.. testing
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> linking now...
[16:32] <JontheEchidna> fails, same error
[16:36] <Riddell> davmor2: bug 276693 is from a kubuntu installed to a windows drive yes?
[16:37] <davmor2> Riddell: yes it's the wubi install
[16:46] <Riddell> davmor2: when I install with wubi to a windows drive is it supposed to then boot up with ubiquity running?
[16:47] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: I'll see if I can figure it out...
[16:48] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: thx
[16:48] <davmor2> Riddell: First it does the iso prep in windows itself, then it reboots and you should choose kubuntu then you get ubuiquity,  then it reboots and you get KDM
[16:48] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: np...
[16:52] <Riddell> davmor2: why does it need ubiquity?
[16:52] <Riddell> davmor2: anyway, ubiquity doesn't show for me and ps on the console suggests something crashed
[16:52] <Riddell> kwin crashes for one
[16:53] <Riddell> control-alt-backspace in X and it starts kde fine, shutdown is also fine
[16:53] <smarter> Riddell: any news on the i18n issue?
[16:54] <davmor2> Riddell: Wubi only handles creation of the virtual partition and how to boot.  Wubi then runs the installer from the modified image it creates in windows.
[16:54] <Tm_T> smarter: I heard it's sorted in some way, though all translations need acception/review
[16:55] <davmor2> so it is basically a standard install just to a virtual partition :)
[16:55] <smarter> Tm_T: cool
[16:57] <Riddell> davmor2: and does kwin and/or ubiquity crash for you?
[16:58] <davmor2> Riddell: No but I get no backdrop which I should have to be honest.  Install went fine it was just the shutdown or reboot I was having issues with
[16:59] <Riddell> smarter: it's bug 273489
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: doesn't look like language packs have been updated, so I guess it's still not fixed
[17:00] <Tm_T> Riddell: I heard it's sorted in some way, though all translations need acception/review
[18:33] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone on Intrepid who uses kontact could do a quick test for me ...
[18:34] <ScottK> In a folder that has mail you want to delete, click on the trach icon as fast as you can for 5 - 10 times and see if it gets lost and you end up with no message selected?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> would kmail be ok?
[18:35] <ScottK> Yes.
[18:35] <ScottK> Should be the same for that.
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> I clicked it real fast 17 times but I still have a message selected
[18:36] <ScottK> Thanks.
[18:36] <ScottK> Must be me then.
[18:38] <Riddell> anyone fancy doing a beta announce wiki page?
[18:38] <Riddell> nixternal?
[19:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's a wiki -> team work would be sensible ;-)
[19:04] <apachelogger> ah right, I can't edit :P
[19:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: what content?
[19:05] <apachelogger> like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/Alpha5/Kubuntu ?
[19:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what is new since alpha5?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> uh
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> KDE 4.1.2 :P
[19:11] <apachelogger> yus
[19:11] <apachelogger> what else
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> wokring network manager
[19:11] <apachelogger> rly?
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> *working
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> ya, rly
[19:11] <apachelogger> ok
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> and bugfixes in general
[19:11]  * apachelogger thinks we should keep a changelog
[19:11] <apachelogger> also helps with the team reports
[19:13] <apachelogger> Adept 3.0 Beta 2
[19:38] <rgreening> apachelogger: write a script to scarf the changelogs and grab the entries > date... :)
[19:38] <rgreening> changelogs exist already in the packages
[19:39]  * rgreening ducks and hides from apachelogger, lest he hit me with the lart stick
[19:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: not all package changelog entries are useful
[19:41] <apachelogger> + that would mean someone has to maintain the list of packages to generate the changelog from
[19:41] <apachelogger> ...if we were using bzr... :P
[19:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: also what's new in Intrepid at all, since lots of hardy users will be upgrading
[19:43] <jjesse> we should give nixternal a hard time for not keeping up with that
[19:43] <jjesse> he did the release notes/wiki pages for hardy
[19:43] <jjesse> if i recall correctly
[19:44]  * apachelogger thinks nixternal doesn't love us anymore
[19:44] <Riddell> just because he got a job doesn't mean he doesn't love us
[19:45] <jjesse> he doesn't love us anymore, thats why he is working w/ rpms ;(
[19:45] <apachelogger> getting a job that doesn't involve kubuntu is pretty unloving
[19:46] <jjesse> and the best part is nixternal isn't here to defend himself
[19:46] <rgreening> apachelogger: that's why I ducked... figured for a shot across the bow :)
[19:46]  * apachelogger should start working for novell 
[19:46] <nixternal> I just love Riddell now because he supported me!
[19:46] <apachelogger> that would make stealing patches easier
[19:46] <jjesse> dang he's hback
[19:46] <nixternal> jjesse: I am always here
[19:46] <nixternal> just can't answer all of the time
[19:46] <apachelogger> ^_^
[19:46] <jjesse> even when we don't want you to be here :P
[19:46] <apachelogger> lol
[19:46] <nixternal> between the hours of 06:00 and 17:00 CST I am here
[19:47]  * rgreening wishes to work for canonical F/T
[19:47] <nixternal> if you want to write SNMP MIB specs, mib readers, and a mib publisher I will be down for the help
[19:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: don't ever start contributing to the kernel then :P
[19:48] <jjesse> grin :)
[19:48] <rgreening> hahahah
[19:49] <rgreening> I would, just to add to the point 01 %
[19:49] <apachelogger> :D
[21:12] <ScottK> Riddell: It looks to me like kmobiletools got added to kubuntu-desktop when it shouldn't have due to temprorarliy being part of kdepim.
[21:12] <ScottK> Riddell: OK if I remove it?
[21:34] <Riddell> ScottK: go ahead
[21:34] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Thanks.
[22:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Done.
[22:29] <Riddell> New Kubuntu desktop CDs for testing!