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Alex_GaynorI'm not the only one for whom flash is totally messed up, right?00:07
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Lofde_Alex_Gaynor,  64bit?00:09
Lofde_my flash works00:09
Volkodavskype still acting up on 64 bit ?00:19
Volkodavmine crashed as soon as logs in00:20
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maccam-sageris the intel ethernet card killing bug fixed yet?00:46
maccam-sageranybody?00:55
bruce89don't think os00:55
maccam-sagerthe 2.6.27 kernel just hit the final RC, rc8...00:56
bruce89it should be fixed upstream, but there haven't been any new kernels in Intrepid00:57
maccam-sagergotcha00:57
bruce89it appears to have been fixed in git http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=647462940c9aaf1382dd1f23e003dc12c60a6c3501:03
bruce89actually, that was reverted, but a later commit does something else01:05
maccam-sageryeah it looks like that one just disables the driver anyway..?01:05
bruce89http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=bd0f0a2ac616336bdea1270e7d2c0c56ddceb76d is the later one01:06
Lofde_anyone know why wireless wont automatically connect at boot?01:20
Sebi'm trying to dist-upgrade from hardy to intrepid, but i'm hitting a circular dependency: libc6 <-> findutils01:30
Sebany advice ?01:30
TeslaTonyIs it possible to install one without the other? Manually?01:31
Lofde_Seb01:31
Lofde_I wouldnt do that01:31
Lofde_seriously Seb i had so much problems01:31
Lofde_I would HIGHLY recommend downloading an ISO and doing it that way01:31
Lofde_I tried to upgrade through the internet, and it ended up turning out so bad01:31
Lofde_not saying that it would be like that for you01:32
Lofde_but i think with it being alpha theres so many dependency bugs that you might have issues if you do it like that01:32
bruce89of course libc6 dependency issues are serious01:32
TeslaTonyI installed through the net, and have had trouble, but Intrepid is Alpha. Duh.01:32
TeslaTonySeb: You might try doing the install through the CD, which should bypass the dependencies01:33
SebTeslaTony: this is a chroot, unfortunately01:33
Sebbut no worries, i totally understand it's still alpha01:34
Sebi was just thinking maybe someone in here might have found a way around it, but after playing with dpkg/apt-get for about 30 minutes, I don't think there is a solution right now01:34
bruce89findutils predepends on libc >=2.701:35
Lofde_Seb, have you tried apt-get install libc6 , apt-get install findutils ect01:35
Lofde_Seb read the 2nd or 1st and 2nd result, see if these come close or apply, i think they might http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ubuntu+intrepid++libc6+findutils&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq=01:36
bruce89Gutsy to Intrepid? that's not going to be a good idea01:38
Lofde_Im sure it also applys to hardy herion too tho01:38
Lofde_i think once the release comes out01:38
Lofde_a dist-upgrade would probably work really well01:39
SebLofde_: yeah I tried those01:39
Lofde_just for some reason i had so much trouble, i did a full reinstall, really happy that i did tho, im really into this new stuff.. i like it a lot.. cleaned up a buncha stuff too01:39
eklofHi01:42
eklofanyone have o x60s and no sound in ibex?01:43
Lofde_eklof,  lots of no sound issues in ibex01:49
outbriLofde_: any fixes? :P01:51
TeslaTonyDoes Intrepid use KDE4 for Kubuntu, or is it still KDE3?02:00
jtechidnaKDE402:00
TeslaTonyAh. I think that solved the problem. Thanks02:01
supert0nesis there gonna be an update to flash for the rc soon?02:17
supert0nesthe beta has some serious streaming issues with things like pandora and youtube02:18
danbh_intrepidman, I just lost sound with flash02:18
danbh_intrepid....02:18
danbh_intrepidcrap!!!!!!02:19
bruce89of course there's no problems with swfdec02:20
Lofde_i have the adobe flash version installed and i have audio with flash and flash seems to be working great02:21
Lofde_i am using the 64bit amd version02:22
danbh_intrepidbruce89: no, this is a pure ubuntu problem.  The latest updates borked pulseaudio for me02:22
bruce89danbh_intrepid: it has been a bit dodgy for a while02:22
bruce89killing pulseaudio and restarting it works for me howeber02:23
danbh_intrepidhow do I do that?02:23
bruce89killall pulseaudio02:23
bruce89pulseaudio02:23
danbh_intrepidsimple enough : )02:23
danbh_intrepiddoes it through errors for you when you do that?02:24
timboyis the e1000 eeprom issue corrected now if I want to update?02:24
bruce89perhaps /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart may work02:24
bruce89timboy: not yet02:24
timboybruce89, any idea on how soon?02:24
danbh_intrepidbruce89: well, the kill and restart worked, awesome!!!02:25
bruce89timboy: it has been commited to git02:25
timboyhow long usually does it take those commits to see light? will we see it in the beta do you think?02:25
bruce89http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-intrepid.git;a=commit;h=bd0f0a2ac616336bdea1270e7d2c0c56ddceb76d02:25
bruce89the next kernel update will have it02:26
bruce89which happened about 30 minutes ago02:26
timboybruce89, so if I upgrade now the kernel I get will have the patch in it?02:32
bruce89no02:32
DanaGPA 0.9.12 is extremely crashy for me.02:42
DanaGOr rather, it's lazy.02:42
DanaGIt randomly decides, "Oh hey, I'm idle.  I quit."02:42
mneptokgiven how PA performs when it IS active, i'd call that a fetaure.02:43
mneptok*feature02:43
DanaGNOt when it makes videos and Pidgin simply hang.02:44
bruce89perhaps https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/27457702:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274577 in pulseaudio "Frozen Bubble Freezes Due to Sound? Happened after update." [Medium,Incomplete]02:47
Gekzhmm03:06
Gekzvirtualbox additions doesnt work in an intrepid guest03:06
Gekz:<03:06
GekzI can't do seamless mode03:06
TeslaTonyDoes Intrepid have support for Atheros chipsets? If so, would Madwifi conflict with it?03:14
GekzTeslaTony: which atheros?03:14
Gekzthe AR5002?03:14
danbh_intrepidTeslaTony: not yet03:14
Gekzit does03:15
TeslaTonyDWA 556. I forget which chipset it uses03:15
Gekz2.6.27 has ath5k03:15
Gekzand ath5k works with the eeepc03:15
Gekzthat's as much as I know03:15
TeslaTonyAh. Would ath5k interfere with MadWifi?03:15
Gekzyes03:15
Gekzbut03:16
Gekzeasily stopped03:16
Gekzyou just blacklist it03:16
TeslaTonyCool. How?03:16
Gekzsometimes it interferes, other times it does not03:16
Gekzin the /etc/modprobe.d03:16
Gekzor whatever the equivalent is in ubuntu03:16
Gekzmodules.d03:16
Gekzits something .d03:16
TeslaTonyEh...time to worship at the altar of Google again03:19
solarionis there gonna be an OOo3 package in intrepid?03:27
solarionI've heard about there being one, but havent' seen one03:27
eutherI've seen a number of ath5k issues in the irclogs and bugs.ubuntu.com; is it possible to revert to madwifi without going outside the package system ?03:33
danbh_intrepidsolarion: I think the answer is no.  There is a deb on the OO.org website, but version 3 isnt even in debian experimental yet, for whatever reason03:41
maccam-sagerdamn i heard rumors of them including the beta and then upgrading to final later03:41
danbh_intrepidsolarion: that doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, I mean, why wouldn't you put a beta of something into the least supported, most cutting edge, of the repos?03:41
danbh_intrepidmaccam-sager: well, I have no inside info, so take what I say with a grain of salt.  But, that is what they did with ff3.  BUT, the beta was at least in the repos.03:43
danbh_intrepidI had another thought the other day about this too.  There might be allot of integration software that mixes openoffice with other parts of linux.  Those packages might be no where close to being ready.  Anyway, Im just speculating03:44
wtyo...is it normal for the splash screen on Kubuntu ibex to lock up my Dell 1420 laptop?03:47
wtif I hit alt-f1 and get to a text console, it resumes booting03:49
samueltehg33khey guys when will the xubuntu IBEX alpha come out?03:51
samueltehg33k*beta03:51
danbh_intrepid!schedule03:59
ubottuA schedule of Intrepid Ibex (8.10) release milestones can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule03:59
mbamfordHaving trouble suspending in intrepid (I could in hardy), i'm getting these errors in dmesg: [ 1641.312027] pm_op(): usb_dev_suspend+0x0/0x20 [usbcore] returns -16 / [ 1641.312086] PM: Device usb3 failed to suspend: error -16 / [ 1641.312089] PM: Some devices failed to suspend.  any ideas?04:01
wtyay....kubuntu just lost my keyboard on a normal boot on my Dell 142004:04
wtand now the splashscreen locked the computer again04:09
wtoh well...04:09
wtseems to work this time04:09
wtkeyboards gone again...04:26
wtand now it's back04:26
wtI wonder if scim is causing this04:26
solarionthere's always inrepid-backports, I suppose04:27
solarionI'm wanting some of the tasty Sun plugins, tho (e.g. presentation console)04:27
keldrumanyone know what "system setting" in network manager does?04:36
danbh_intrepidI think it sets your settings to the interfaces file04:37
danbh_intrepidrather than just in nm04:37
keldrumWould that allow the connection's config to be remembered after reboots?04:38
danbh_intrepidi dunno, I thought nm did that anyway04:39
keldrumIn my case, I've had to enter the wireless network password every time04:40
keldrumhave you experienced this?04:41
danbh_intrepidwell, nm is a broken beast, but sorry, I can't comment any further.  I'm sick of dealing with the network stuff.  Im sure it will get worked out eventually04:41
blueappleshey guys i am having trouble finding information about ubuntu's keyring system... can someone point me in the right direction?05:09
outbri!keyring05:15
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about keyring05:15
DanaGOh yeah, any ETA for the upcoming kernel image with fixed e1000e?05:34
* DanaG cares more about knowing an ETA than about the actual date itself.05:34
crimsunnot yet, not as of -rc8 at least05:40
DanaGAah, so be it.05:42
DanaGOh yeah, this time I un-disabled the glitch-free... and got... not glitchy audio.05:43
DanaG"un-disabled" -- lovely word there.05:44
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xukun_how do I activate compiz in Intrepid?08:36
elmargolI still have bug #274357 can someone confirm this please?08:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274357 in jockey "jockey-kde crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27435708:37
xukun_!compiz08:37
ubottuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - help in #compiz-fusion08:37
a_c_m<faq>Whens it out?</faq>08:39
xukun_I thought compiz was activated default with Intrepid08:39
Lynourexukun_: depends a bit on the hardware you have, I think08:50
xukun_Lynoure, I have P4 2.66ghz and nvidia 6600 video card, that should be enough for compiz or not?08:58
Lynourexukun_: Sorry, I don't know anything about nvidia myself. Might be that you need the non-free drivers for that08:59
Lynourexukun_: I'm under impression one does not get very far with nvidia and floss drivers09:00
xukun_Lynoure, the drivers are already installed09:00
Lynoure(that's the reason I don't use Nvidia at all myself)09:00
xukun_Lynoure, so you are ati man. I thought ati is(was) linux unfriendly09:01
a_c_manyone know what part of this month ibex is meant to get released in/09:01
Lynourexukun_: not an ati man (just a non-proprietary woman), just that Intel and Ati both are more floss friendly. If one is ok with proprietary drivers, I've heard Nvidia can be very nice for games09:06
clustyis compiz broken for everyone for now?09:58
Hobbseenope10:00
clustyHobbsee, i cannot enable compiz anymore. I have 3d drivers since glxinfo outputs lots of stuff10:08
clustyany clue which direction to proceed?10:09
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Lofde_Anyone know anything about " Guest Sessions " ?10:48
jribLofde_: you should ask a better (more specific) question10:52
Lofde_Well I know i can launch a guest session after i log in, i would like to be able to have 2 users, my self ( and guest) that i can click from the very start (gdm) and choose my account, and have the other account for anyone else10:53
Lofde_it defeats the purpose of having a guest account to me, to have to have me login first, for someone i dont trust to be able to access it, i would like them to be able to access it at boot10:53
Lofde_or from my locked screen saver10:53
Lofde_ops, i didnt mean to leave10:57
Lofde_did you get that message jrib10:58
Lofde_or what i said before i left10:58
jribLofde_: yep, I don't know about guest sessions though10:58
Lofde_oh alright thanks for listening atleast heh10:58
DigitalFizhow do i get intrepid?11:03
bazhangDigitalFiz, the nightly build?11:11
DigitalFiznm i found it11:12
DigitalFizhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/alpha-6/11:12
bazhangaha11:12
bazhangyup11:12
clustyhey12:36
clustyi am having some trouble getting compiz to work after yesterday's updates12:36
zniavreno problem here with compiz12:36
clustywhen i try to enable it i get a window saying it cannot be enabled12:37
clustyzniavre, nvidia drivers?12:37
zniavreyes12:37
clustywhich ones?12:37
zniavredid you start composite metacity ?12:37
clustyi use 17712:37
zniavre17312:37
clustyzniavre, what do you mean start composite metacity?12:37
clustyi tryied enabling it back from the menu: preferences->appeareance ....12:39
zniavremetacity can use his own composite now >gconf-editor >apps>metacity>general >composite-managercheck if it's unchecked12:39
zniavreim using fusion-icon to launch compiz12:39
clustyit's unchecked12:40
clustydo i need to check it ?12:40
zniavrenop12:40
zniavreyou should try fusion-icon12:40
clustyis that a package?12:40
zniavreyes12:41
zniavresudo apt-get install fusion-icon12:41
clustydoing it12:41
clustywhat is that for?12:41
zniavreas beryl-manager it's an icon on systray who made switching compiz/metacity easier12:41
zniavreim only use this instead of preference >appearence ...12:42
clustyzniavre, works. do i add it to my .xinitrc?12:42
clustyor how to autostart it12:42
clusty?12:42
zniavrepreferences>session >add to startup (sorry im french i do not know apps name in english12:43
zniavreto launch it it's on main menu>system tolls12:44
zniavretools*12:44
clustyback in a jiffy :D12:44
clustyzniavre, ca marche .... :D12:46
clustythanks a bunch12:46
zniavre:o)12:46
zniavregreat12:46
clustyzniavre, are you using ubuntu nvidia or envy?12:51
zniavreubuntu nvidia12:51
clustyi use envy since ubuntu breaks X after every update :(12:51
zniavrei get worries to make them working but now it's since 2 mounths12:52
zniavreworking since*12:52
clustyany clues how far away is the open source nvidia driver?12:53
zniavreno ideas sorry12:53
clustyok thanks12:53
Gekzwhat's envy?13:10
Pici!envy13:10
ubottuenvyng is an updated version of the *UNSUPPORTED* envy package. It is now part of the ubuntu universe repository (envyng-gtk OR envyng-qt) we suggest you use envyng if every other (official/supported) method fails! it can have various results from works, to fails!!!  if you want the very latest drivers from the manufacturer you use them at your own risk13:10
Gekzexplain13:10
Gekzthat wasnt very detailed13:10
Gekz!nv13:10
ubottuFor Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto13:10
Gekzneither was that13:10
PiciThe envyng driver packages contain the latest drivers from ati or nvidia, but are untested in Ubuntu13:11
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Gekzit's a package?13:12
Gekzbah, please, go into detail13:12
Gekzwhat is it13:12
Gekzlol13:12
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HobbseeGekz: google is your friend?13:13
HobbseeYou're in a semi-development channel - this isn't #ubuntu.13:13
GekzGoogle is never my friend13:14
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TheInfinityGekz: $search_maschine is your friend :p13:15
Gekzlol13:15
GekzI'm finding it hard to type as is13:15
GekzI punched a light off my ceiling by accident13:15
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penguin42Does intrepid have any new X stuff?15:04
penguin42server/monitor detection in particular15:04
penguin42(or pointers to release notes stuff would be a reasonable alternate answer)15:05
penguin42ah found it15:06
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lore20hi15:14
penguin42ho15:14
lore20what do u think about new intrepid wallpaper?15:14
skyjumperdo the envy nvidia drivers currently work?15:14
lore20envy... it broke my TV15:16
skyjumperphysically broke?15:16
lore20yes15:17
lore20with ATI15:17
skyjumperhow15:17
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lore20It starts sending malphormed signal to my CRT TV (without any protection)15:18
lore20via S-Video15:18
skyjumperi've never heard of any signal being able to physically damage a TV15:18
skyjumperthe tv was pretty old?15:18
lore20Older TV might broke15:19
lore20yes...  10-15 year ago.. i don't remembre15:19
lore20if u use incorrect resolution/refresh rate15:19
lore20newer one just say "Out of range"15:19
skyjumperi thought that was only true of CRT monitors15:19
skyjumperand even then, not as true as people claim15:20
lore20skyjumper: and what i sayd15:20
lore20(said15:20
penguin42skyjumper: You could do it back with 15 year old kit - if you were really really really unlucky15:23
lore20however i prefer install graphic driver myself, withoud envy15:24
skyjumperyeah, i've never had that lack of luck. dunno15:25
penguin42me neither15:25
skyjumperi once had an old vga monitor by Gateway that would do higher resolutions than it was spec'd for15:26
lore20skyjumper: have u broken it?15:26
skyjumperno15:26
skyjumperthe worst it did was the crisp high pitched click sound, and a black screen15:27
* penguin42 tries to decide whether to update his machine today (before his new monitor arrives tomorrow) or leave it till after - I suppose the new one might do better hot-plugdetect15:29
DanaGI had a CRT monitor that I drove at 1280x960@100Hz... and it made an obnoxious high-pitched squeal.15:40
DanaGThen the convergence eventually became quite horrible.15:40
Bob_DoleI'm on the 8.10 alpha6, and wondering how do I enable the guest account, or use it?15:58
* penguin42 hits the magic button update-manager and hopes for the best15:59
Bob_Dole?16:00
lamalexBob_Dole: all I had to do was click the guest account and it logged in for me16:01
jaxdahl2hmm, how can i tell uvesafb to try a different mode? running modprob uvesafb mode=... doesn't do anything as far as i can tell16:01
Bob_DoleI'm not seeing a guest account16:01
lamalexnot seeing it where?16:02
coz_hey guys...  is autoconfiguration for wacom tablets.. going to be in the release?  apparenlty the configuring xorg.conf for wacom is going to be dropped from what I read so far?16:02
jaxdahl2can't rmmod uvesafb as it says it's already in use16:02
Bob_DoleOh, I see it when logged in now..but not before logged in16:02
lamalexyeah, you should probably file a bug on that16:02
jaxdahl2should i be running 2.6.27-4 or 2.6.27-5 with intrepid?16:03
Bob_DoleI'mma log out and see if I see it shows up.16:04
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Bob_DoleYeah. Have to be logged in to get to the guest account. I'm wanting this for a school, once the final is out put linux computers around the campus.. need to be able to log in with a guest, or guest style account without logging in as administrator :/16:07
jaxdahl2hooray, got the uvesafb working on my 1440x900 laptop virtual terms16:10
Omar87Is it safe to upgrade to the first beta release of Intrepid Ibex that is due tomorrow 2/10/2008?16:10
penguin42Omar87: Not if you have an e1000e ether16:11
jaxdahl2safe is a matter of perspective16:11
* penguin42 notes the message on the update manager -c -d really needs a BIIIG message about that16:12
Omar87jaxdahl2, That's so true.16:12
Omar87jaxdahl2, but I mean in general, is the beta release that's due tomorrow okay?16:12
penguin42Omar87: As I say, don't touch it if you have an Intel e1000e, don't even try it16:13
Omar87jaxdahl2, because I updated to Hardy Heron when it was still Alpha 4. Is the situation really different with Intrepid Ibex?16:14
Omar87penguin42?16:15
penguin42Omar87: There's a known problem with e1000e cards with recent kernels (all distros) that can cause the flash to be corrupted16:17
penguin42Omar87: The guys from Intel are working hard on it, but for the moment stay clear of 2.6.27 stuff16:18
Omar87penguin42, so what you're trying to state here is that the problem is not with Ubuntu itself?16:19
Omar87penguin42, how do I find out if I my intel is an e1000e or not?16:19
penguin42Omar87: The problem is also in some other beta/alpha releases of distros; I'm not 100% sure on how to detect e1000e - I'd say if you can see it in the output of a dmesg or an lspci then stay clear; I believe the affected set of hardware is smaller than that but don't know the details16:20
Omar87penguin42, oh I see.16:21
Omar87If I ever find anything new, would like me to let you know?16:22
Omar87would *you*16:22
penguin42no16:23
penguin42I'm not involved in it, just saw the warnings go past16:23
Omar87penguin42, yeah, that's right, but I believe it would help with the development of the coming new born Ubuntu, wouldn't it?16:25
penguin42Omar87: Oh correct - but I'm not a dev16:25
Omar87oh, okay. :)16:25
Omar87Actually, neither am I, lol.16:25
Omar87But, I'm looking forward to be one in the near future.16:26
Omar87being*16:26
LynoureI keep on getting "xine was unable to initialize any audio drivers" on Amarok, any idea what could help?16:35
Lynourethe kubuntu start ditty did play fine16:38
e\ectro_anyone else getting this error https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/263211  ?16:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263211 in xorg "apps-wont-open-due-to-maximum-clients-reached-error" [Undecided,Confirmed]16:38
e\ectro_just hate having to kill X16:39
e\ectro_everytime I get home from work16:39
s0u][ighthello what part of ubuntu loads the driver/module for hotkeys?16:40
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tommydangerso I try to setup the psptoolchain on kubuntu but it keeps crashing on me, some buffer overflow, however it works fine with ubuntu 8.04 :/17:28
tommydangerwhy's that?17:29
tommydangerit also crashes on tty but as said very same script works on ubuntu 8.04, haven't tested with ubuntu 8.10 yet17:29
slanninglo, after dist-upgrading yesterday, networking no longer worked - so I booted into an older kernel (2.6.24-19-generic) and it works17:40
slanningon the newer one it complains about not finding the ethernet device17:41
slanningthanks to GoddamnDevil's advice, I ended up reinstalling : sudo apt-get --reinstall install linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic17:42
slanningbut is there something else I need to do maybe, to like generate the network device or whatever?17:43
afiefanybody knows if the new Gimp will get into the repository for ibex?18:02
Hewafief: 2.4.7-1ubuntu1 is currently in Intrepid, and we're in Feature Freeze, so I wouldn't think so18:05
afiefoh:( well it doesn't look as big an improvement as 2.2 -> 2.4 was18:06
Hewafief: Someone might run it from a PPA though, that seems to be happening with a lot of new releases that are just missing out atm18:07
Hewafief: Or you can jump into Jaunty development early ;-)18:07
PolitikerNEUWill Gimp 2.6 become part of intrepid?18:07
HewPolitikerNEU: No18:08
HewPolitikerNEU: Intrepid is in Feature Freeze18:08
afiefI always jump early but with this laptop hardy wouldn't even boot, ibex is missing graphic acceleration(ATI) and the wacom doesn't seem to work:(18:08
PolitikerNEUok :-(18:08
Hewafief: Yes, I know the fglrx issue is known at least, it's not compatible with the new xorg18:10
afiefHew, yes I sent ATI a letter telling them that it's about time they release a compatible driver18:10
Hewafief: Heh, nice :-)18:11
afiefHew, oh that's my duty as a Free Software Citizen :-)18:11
Hewafief: Indeed, it's the duty of all of us! I really should be writing more letters myself :P18:12
jaxdahl2i am a slave to nvidia :(18:13
TeslaTonySlave to NVidia, slave to ATI..it' like choosing the lesser of two weevils.18:15
afiefjaxdahl2, so was I, until AMD started releasing specs, so I started supporting them(even though Intel makes better processors)18:15
afiefHew, it's easier when you're sending 10+ letters a week anyway(yeah still prefer dead tree letters over emails)18:18
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frank23fglrx doesn't work in intrepid at all? There will be alot of angry people when intrepid is released! Thankfully it doesn't affect me18:19
TeiseiI need help18:36
Teiseihttp://i34.tinypic.com/2ecqijl.png18:36
TeiseiWhy does my Compiz do this ?18:36
timboyany news of when the e1000 kernel patch will be pushed to updates?19:04
TeiseiAnybody else with problems with webcam ?19:18
TeiseiOnly Ekiga and aMSN are able to view webcam preview19:19
x1250what package contains new human theme? I thought it could be gnome-themes, but dpkg -L doesn't says no.19:22
x1250arrch, human-theme, shame on me :$19:25
legend2440is it still too soon to upgrade from hardy to intrepid?19:28
legend2440and is it true there will be an option in intrepid to restore files that are in the Trash to their original locations?19:32
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x1250legend2440, yep, you can restore files from the trash...19:37
legend2440x1250: ok thanks19:37
penguin42hmm the update has just replaced my backdrop by what I assume is the new Ibex one - I've got to say I don't like it19:56
bronsonWow, I apt-get upgraded yesterday and now my audio is totally broken.19:57
bronsonI get the log-in sound, but everything else just says, Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument19:59
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bronsonkillall pulseaudio fixes things.20:01
bronsonCriminy, isn't it time for PA to start working?20:02
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timboyany news of when the e1000 kernel patch will be pushed to updates?20:24
Skiessihi20:28
Skiessiwhen is the first beta going to be released?20:28
Skiessino one knows? ok I'll just check the schedule20:29
Skiessitomorrow? o_O20:31
Skiessigreat20:31
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TamagotonoHas anyone gotten the knetworkmanager to work properly yet?  Or is it only still broken on my machine?  I am currently using nm-applet or wicd for my networking.21:00
GoddamnDevildoes someone has knowledge of freeze exception for gimp21:00
GoddamnDevilis it going to included in II or??21:00
JontheEchidnaTamagotono: it should be working now21:01
TamagotonoJontheEchidna: I am fully updated.  Do I just need to uninstall network-manager-gnome to get it working or should I reconfigure the settings???21:02
JontheEchidnaI dunno21:02
JontheEchidnaI just know that supposedly a fixed knetworkmanager was released a few days ago21:03
TamagotonoOK, I'll play with it and see if I can get it to work.  Thank you.21:03
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yavapailast nights cd image booted to white screen no mouse or keyboard21:06
yavapaii have via pc3500 mobo21:08
TamagotonoYay!  Knetworkmanager IS working!21:10
JontheEchidnaTamagotono: :)21:12
TamagotonoIt was wierd, I had the knetworkmanager applet running alongside the nm-applet, both were showing the network statis but I tried to reconfigure the settings and it said it wasn't installed.  So I installed it and it worked!  :)21:14
edgy_JontheEchidna, Tamagotono: when you say knetworkmanager is working, what do you mean? e.g if I click on the icon, I see the wireless network, if I click on it nothing happens21:22
Stormx2Hi. Am I right in thinking the intrepid beta has been released?21:23
TamagotonoIt means that I can now click on a wireless network and it actually tries to connect (it even succeeded!)  :)21:24
edgy_Tamagotono: for me that doesn't work, what did you do to fix it?21:24
edgy_Tamagotono: I can do it with the icon from gnome but not knetworkmanager21:25
Tamagotonoedgy_: I tried to run 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure knetworkmanager' but it said that it wasn't installed so I ran ' sudo apt-get install network-manager-kde' and it installed it.21:26
Tamagotonothen I ran 'killall nm-applet knetworkmanager ; knetworkmanager' then when it came up I was able to use it.21:27
Don_MiguelTamagotono, good one !21:28
edgy_Tamagotono: I already have it installed so reconfigure doesn't complain. I now killed nm-applet and knetworkmanager, when I lauch kentworkmanager again I see an icon like a grey globe21:30
edgy_Tamagotono: when I click on it I see options like new connection, edit connection but don't see my wifi network21:30
edgy_Tamagotono: should I go to new connection or what?21:31
Tamagotonoedgy_: yes, try going to ->new connection ->wlan0 (or whatever your wireless is) then select your wireless network.21:32
TamagotonoIf your ssid is hidden, you may have to type it in for it to work.21:32
edgy_Tamagotono: but knetworkmanger used to show the wifi nets automatically when I click on the icon,has this been changed?21:33
Tamagotonofor me, it only shows networks that I have connected to, when I click on the icon.21:34
edgy_Tamagotono: I would try it later since this will disconnect me but I thought the bug filed is because knetworkmanager should show all the nets when you click on it like used to be and like the gnome applet do21:36
edgy_I wonder why they said the bug is fixed!21:37
Tamagotonoedgy_: maybe we are talking about different bugs.  I was talking about the one where when you click on a wireless network, it doesn't do anything.  That bug appears to be fixed.21:38
edgy_Tamagotono: I just clicked the icon and then new connection and nothing appears!! no dialog at all, what about you?21:40
TamagotonoI get another listbox listing my eth0 and wlan0 wanting me to select one of them to define what network device I want to use for the new connection.21:41
edgy_Tamagotono: strange! may be I need to file a bug regarding my case, thanks21:51
edgy_Tamagotono: I just noticed if I click on Edit connections there is a list box called New connections when really shows Wireless, Wired, VPN, is this what you are talking about?21:52
edgy_Tamagotono: but if I click on the knetworkmanager icon and then New connection ... nothing happens. Please confirm that the later works for you21:53
ryanakcaFor setting up LVM / HD encryption, I need the alternate CD, correct?21:57
ryanakcaNevermind :)21:57
Tamagotonoedgy_: If I click on Edit Connections, I can see a list of connections I have saved from prior sessions... This is not what I am referring to.21:57
edgy_Tamagotono: thanks again for the clarification21:59
Tamagotonoedgy_: If I click on New Connection, a small menu opens to the right side with two options, eth0 and wlan0.  If I then click on wlan0, a window opens up showing current wireless connections along with the signal strength, etc.21:59
Tamagotonoedgy_: np21:59
svuwhat happened to disk mount applet? It does not show entries from /etc/fstab any more22:26
svu(the ones with "user" attribute)22:26
slestakis there anyone who is a dkms guru around?22:36
^DarkSun^hi people, anyone using xen with Ubuntu intrepid ?22:38
RAOFslestak: You'll generally get a better response by asking your question straight up ;)22:39
slestakRAOF: i was working with crimsun in this room yesterday discussing an inpiron dual boot machine that I installed alpha 6 on22:40
slestakbrb22:40
^DarkSun^more generic question: the *-xen version of the kernel is not included yet into the distro?22:41
RAOFDunno.22:41
^DarkSun^ok22:41
RAOFLooks like we've got xen support?22:42
TeiseiDoes wired network connection work for somebody ?22:43
TeiseiI have Lenovo Thinkpad T60 and Ubuntu 8.10 ... I can only connect to wireless networks22:44
slestaki understand dkms is on by default in inrepid.  i have a kernel module on my laptop that broke on the parition i _didnt_ install intrepid on.  i put II on sda3, and had a stable gutsy on sda3, and after installign II, gutsy no longer boots into X.22:44
RAOFTeisei: Yes.  But if you've got an intel 1000 or 1000e card, it's been disabled so that we don't accidentally write all over it's NVRAM.22:44
TeiseiRAOF: So it is intentionally disabled ?22:44
slestaks/II on sda2, GG on sda322:44
RAOFTeisei: Yes.22:44
TeiseiRAOF: Thank you so much :)22:44
slestakTeisei: the e1000 driver breaks the nic22:45
slestakit is being fixed22:45
Teiseislestak: Good to know :)22:45
TeiseiLuckily I have this wireless box here ... I'm usually double connected to it ... both wired and wireless22:45
RAOFslestak: So, (a) that shouldn't happen.  Do you have your Gutsy root partition mounted in your intrepid install?22:45
slestakTeisei: this bugs current status is on the intrepid release notes page at ubuntu.com if you need an update later22:46
Teiseislestak: Thanks for the information :)22:46
TeiseiBut will it still be updated via update manager ?22:46
slestakRAOF: no, it was an install of hardy on sda2, that i chose by manually partitioning the drive in the livecd installer.  i didnt do anything to sda3.  /boot is not shared.  the only real thing I can find in commn is grub installed in the mbr22:47
slestaki overlaid my HH install with II alpha622:47
slestakTeisei: not if it is your only nic, you cant reach apt servers :)22:47
Teiseislestak: Even if I have wireless working ?22:49
slestakmy specific question was crimsun asked for compilation output from the IIinstall and said fiel a bug.  but i know nothing about dkms.  i'm looking at the man page but do not see whaere that may be22:49
RAOFslestak: Do you have an Xorg.0.log for your failed X startup?22:49
slestakTeisei: yeah, i;d imagine it will come down in synaptic then, i was j/k with you22:49
Teiseislestak: Phew. Ok ;)22:50
slestakRAOF: yes, i pastebinned it the other day (I can get it again)  it basically says the kernel module cannot be loaded.  I can use X with the nv driver.  reinstallign nvidia-glx-new helps nothing.22:50
RAOFslestak: So, "sudo invoke-rc.d dkms_autoinstaller restart" might give you the log you're after.22:51
slestakRAOF: i have not touched this GG install with beryl, envy, emerald, anythng like that.  just gutsy22:51
slestakRAOF: from Intrepid?  dkms is not on gutsy22:51
RAOFRight.22:51
RAOFBut since your apparent bug is "Intrepid's dkms broke gutsy", the log from intrepid is what's needed, right?22:51
slestakRAOF: not trying to be dense, i would have not guessed restartig the service?22:52
slestakhow will that help me find compilation output?22:52
slestakfunny enough, the restricted driver is working in Intrepid.22:52
RAOFWell, turns out that it likely won't :/22:52
RAOFMan, /var/log/dkms_autoinstaller has to be the most useless log file _ever_.22:53
slestakin the man page, it says the kernel is built in /var/dkms/*, but i dodnt know if it would save output without enabling a debug mode22:53
slestakthe timestamp of nvidia.ko on GG will not help, because i reinstalled the package liek 6 times troubleshooting this.22:54
slestakso the proof that the livecd touched sda3 is lost22:54
RAOFUrgh.22:55
RAOFSo, there's an obvious way to try get that proof again... reinstall Intrepid.22:56
RAOFFrom the livecd.22:56
slestakmy laptop is out of battery.  i may need to work on this at home later.22:56
slestaki am on my work pc now.22:56
slestakyeah, and the /var/log/messages from the livecd boot that I installed with is not saved.  that should be saved as like /var/log/messages.livecd or sth.  It would have been nice to see if sda3 was mounted rw22:57
slestakno real support it loks like in the dkms page at dell.23:02
thvdburgtI have a problem with launching matlab, using gnome-termal it works, but when I use ALT-F2 or a launcher it does not, it only shows the splash screen for half a second and disappears23:02
maccam-sagerthvdburgt: have you tried using the menu shortcut?23:02
thvdburgtI made my myself, same result23:03
thvdburgtI made one myself, gives the same result as a launcher/ALT-F223:03
RAOFthvdburgt: Sounds like you've got some environment variables being set in your bashrc that matlab needs.23:03
thvdburgtI'm using the default .bashrc with some custom aliases23:05
xompso *ehm*, I'm sure you all have been asked this plenty here recently, but... *ehem* has Intrepid been popped for release yet? :-)23:07
thvdburgtash23:08
thvdburgtoops23:08
maccam-sagerxomp: popped?23:09
xompmaccam-sager, what is confusing about that statement?23:09
maccam-sageri'm not familiar with the usage of "popped" in that sentence23:10
xompmaccam-sager, should I substitute that term with one that you are familiar with? Seeing as I know all about familiar terms associated with you in particular? :)23:11
thvdburgtRAOF, do you have any idea what is causing this or how I can find out what part of bashrc is causing this?23:11
RAOFthvdburgt: No, not really.23:11
RAOFOtherwise I'd be weighing in :)23:12
maccam-sagerxomp: as you can see i simply asked you what you meant, it's not too hard to explain it :-P23:14
thvdburgtis there any way I cant run a terminal without it excecuting the bashrcs first?23:14
RAOFthvdburgt: You could move your bashrc away, temporarily.23:16
thvdburgtI did rename the one in my ~, but that had no result. I'll try the one in /etc23:17
xompmaccam-sager, Ok, "Has Ubuntu Intrepid released as of yet?" -Or- "Has there been any word on when it will release"? :-)23:17
xomp"word" meaning "discussion, announcement" just so we're clear :-P23:17
maccam-sageri have a feeling i missed some sarcasm, oops23:18
thvdburgtmatlab still launches via the terminal with both bashrcs disabled23:18
xompdon't want to throw in any of them confusing words there :-P lol23:18
maccam-sageri just thought it must have been a development term since release is a whole month away23:19
xompahh, then I've been misinformed on Ubuntu release patterns!23:20
xompThanks :-)23:20
godzirraheya folks.23:26
godzirraI'm trying to boot ibex, but everytime I boot the cd I'm getting "Buffer I/O error on device sr0"23:26
godzirraI've googled and it seems like many other people are getting this error too but I couldn't find a solution.  I've tried reburning at a slower speed and I verified that the md5sums matched.  Anyone have any other ideas?23:26
redvamp128I know you guys are testing intrepid but simple question-- asked in main ubuntu room waited 30 min so far no response... anyone know how to configure Audigy LS Pci card in ubuntu- Still showing Onboard (now Disabled in bios) in audio.23:27
NecrosanIs Intrepid applying for UNIX certification?23:29
NecrosanI certainly hope so.23:29
denaany news on when the e1000 fix will be pushed to updates?23:30
RAOFdena: Once it's actually fixed?23:31
denaRAOF, heard it was pushed to git yesterday...23:31
RAOFI think the answer to your question is "no", though.23:31
maccam-sagerNecrosan: ?23:33
NecrosanIs Intrepid applying for UNIX certification?23:33
NecrosanFrom the OpenGroup?23:33
redvamp128Another question then does this card work in Intrepid? 01:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy LS23:33
NecrosanIt would make it a much better release.23:33
godzirrawill a module from the same kernel work on two different machines?23:33
Necrosangodzirra: it shuld23:34
godzirrak23:34
maccam-sagerNecrosan: soo.... how exactly does it make Ubuntu better?23:34
Necrosanmaccam-sager: it will be able to be referred to as a true UNIX23:35
Necrosanit will make many happy23:35
maccam-sagerbut linux isn't unix...23:36
Necrosanonly because it isnt certified23:36
Necrosanit would be fairly easy to modify the few bits that arent23:36
Necrosanand apply to the opengroup for certification23:37
Chousukethe unix certificate doesn't mean that much though23:37
maccam-sageri don't see why linux would want to be unix23:37
maccam-sagerit's all just a name anyway23:37
Chousukesure you can get into some corporations of government stuff with taht but...23:37
Chousukeor*23:37
Chousukemaccam-sager: some organisations require a POSIX certified OS for their operation.23:38
ChousukeSUS includes that.23:38
NecrosanSUSE is certified?23:38
Chousukeno, I mean the SUS certification :p23:38
Necrosanoh23:38
Necrosanduh23:39
Necrosan=P23:39
marcincan anyone shed some light on installing flash player?23:40
RAOFmarcin: Go to a page with flash, select which flashplayer you'd like to install?23:41
maccam-sageri think it's hard enough to get distros to conform to the LSB, but once that happens LSB can probably be brought more in line to POSIX to the point where they are the same23:41
marcinthe thing is that I went to adobe.com, youtube, support.dell.com all need flash, but the usual install missing plug-in didn't come up23:42
RAOFmarcin: Do you have 'ubufox' installed?23:43
marcinlet me check23:43
marcinubufox is already the newest version.23:44
RAOFOk, good.23:44
RAOFSo, do you actually have flash installed? :)23:44
marcinI installed flushplugin-nonfree23:44
marcinbut still no flash23:44
marcinif I knew where acctually is firefox's plugin folder and where did the flash install I guess I could symlink...23:45
RAOFDo you have any other flash plugin installed?23:45
RAOFYou may have gnash or swfdec installed.23:45
marcinI didn't install23:46
marcinbut let me check23:46
marcinhhhmmm. how do I check from command line?23:47
RAOFdpkg --list | egrep ^ii | egrep (swfdec|gnash)23:47
RAOFThat'll give some output if either are installed :)23:47
marcinnothing returned23:49
RAOFOk.  Dunno then.23:49
marcinso I guess it's not installed23:49
marcin??23:49
marcinlet me see in Synaptic23:49
RAOFIndeed.  Not installed.23:49
marcinoo.....23:49
marcinso dunno why flash no working...?23:49
marcinme too23:50
marcin:(23:50
marcinfunny thing is I installed Intrepid yesterday on my home comp... and flash worked like a charm23:51
marcinafter installing from Install Missing Plugins Wizard23:51
marcinis there a way to manually invoke the wizard?23:52
marcin!flash23:58
ubottuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash (a recent version for !Dapper is available in !backports) - See also !Restricted and !Gnash23:58

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