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compachoreal things would seem more human than these current wallpapers00:00
ethana2the next gnome ships some nice backgrounds00:00
ethana2hopefully they're not removed00:00
ethana2...but there's no logical reason to remove them, so it'll probably actually have backgrounds this go around00:01
compachoI'm not a photographer BUT I am quite good at photoshop. So maybe I can stitch some images together tastefully00:01
compachoidk, how canonical would feel about the legalities of someone heavily editing photos together00:03
Cimicompacho, photos are usually not suitable as a wallpaper00:14
Cimiphotos must have a focus, and when you have some focus you have too many details that makes the icons and the text not readable and distractive00:14
ethana2yeah00:14
ethana2visually noisy00:14
Cimithat's why usually abstract wallpapers are chosen over photos00:15
ethana2the best ones are translucent white or black abstract .pngs00:15
ethana2that you can put gradients behind00:15
savvasdoes this look.. ok (at least)? :P http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-cy-intrepid/ubuntucymeeting.png00:29
* DannyKing gets back00:43
* kwwii sleeps01:00
* _MMA_ pokes his head in.01:07
compachocimi and ethana2 I get what you're saying. I've used many photo wallpapers in the past that totally distracted me but If u look at some of apple's wallpapers, such as the grass blades one, they make sense01:19
compachoI guess using real life photos without points of focus is the key01:28
ethana2there are a few photos in the new gnome wallpaper01:29
ethana2wallpapers**01:29
PRGUY85hola01:32
compachook, i seen the new gnome wallpapers. Pretty cool, but nothing thats "wow."01:38
compachoand they're pretty similar too01:38
PRGUY85yea compacho its pretty standard OS stuff01:38
compachoIf I had a nice camera and lens, I could reproduce some of those images.01:39
compachohmm...i might hafta put my money where my mouth is and create something01:39
PRGUY85probably compacho01:40
PRGUY85you trying ibex?01:40
compachois this channel the right place to submit artwork?01:40
compachono, not yet01:40
compachowaiting for beta01:40
PRGUY85well this channle is to discuss artwork01:41
PRGUY85I suggest you submit stuff on the mailing list01:41
compachook, its my 1st time here01:41
PRGUY85well the latest updated alpha is pretty good01:41
PRGUY85I know don't worry, I'm no vet either.01:41
compachocool01:41
compachoI got into ubuntu on the Gutsy release and have been slowly learning everything about linux since then01:42
PRGUY85have you used the Day of Ubuntu wallpaper?01:42
compacho....the one with the tree on a hill?01:42
PRGUY85no no01:44
PRGUY85it's got a tree though01:44
PRGUY85I think it was in gutsy01:44
* compacho googles it01:44
PRGUY85http://xs223.xs.to/xs223/08052/ubuntu-dawnofubuntu_1600x1200812.png.xs.jpg01:44
compachoyepp, i meant that one01:45
compachosee, that's similar to a wallpaper I wanna make. Its real and not real01:45
PRGUY85the one I use is Day of Ubuntu which is a slideshow01:46
PRGUY85changes according to time of day01:46
PRGUY85use it with Dust or New Wave01:46
PRGUY85look at this01:49
PRGUY85http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/an-ubuntu-retrospective-in-wallpaper/01:49
compachomost of them I don't like except dawn of ubuntu and the elephant skin01:50
PRGUY85yea01:51
PRGUY85although the brown ones were not that bad01:51
compachothis is the frustrating thing about ubuntu. it has so much potential to look great01:51
PRGUY85I think most were better than the current intrepid default01:51
PRGUY85well most important thing is it works great01:51
PRGUY85I used fedora for a day and missed ubuntu01:52
compachoi don't like when people say "Is ubuntu still using the shit color?" I for one think brown can be made to look elegant01:52
compachowalk into any classy coffe shop and u get an idea of how brown can be used01:53
PRGUY85haha true01:53
PRGUY85well01:53
PRGUY85try to emulate that on ubuntu01:54
PRGUY85maybe start incorporating green or something01:54
PRGUY85yet Hardy was more orange than anything01:54
compachoidk why its limited to just brown. it should use all warm colors01:55
compachoorange should be used VERY sparingly imo01:55
PRGUY85why so01:56
compachocause I think its too strong of a color01:57
PRGUY85well there are different shades of it01:57
PRGUY85same as brown01:57
PRGUY85I think they should go for the soft tones01:57
PRGUY85and maybe add some green into it or something01:57
compachoyeah, but the idealistic orange is strong in itself. Like I would use orange as a highlight on the close button of a window01:58
compachoso if I photoshop some images I just find on google, I have to heavily edit them to avoid legal problems right?01:59
PRGUY85don't really know, depends on copyright02:01
PRGUY85beta launches on thursday, maybe they make some changes then02:03
ethana2hope so02:05
ethana2Dust makes brown look good02:05
ethana2..i'm rooting for it02:05
compachoDust? thats a theme right?02:06
ethana2yep02:06
compachohmmm....i might have it on ym system. lemme check02:07
compachoAhhh yes. i do have it. Very classy theme. One of the very few dark themes that work02:08
ethana2heyyyyy now02:09
ethana2ubuntustudio02:09
ethana2best usplash theme EVAR02:09
ethana2..and the desktop theme is cool too02:09
compachoubuntu studio is alright, but dust is better02:11
ethana2borderless FTW02:12
ethana2Shiki-Human is also awesome02:12
compachoi wish making themes was easy. I would love to take a stab at it02:13
ethana2heh02:14
ethana2the things i want are too radical for mere themes02:14
compachoright now, I'm using a KDE 4 theme for gnome02:14
ethana2haha02:14
compachoits so slick02:14
ethana2which theme?02:14
PRGUY85I was using openSuse for my KDE 4.1 fix02:15
compachoumm....the default KDE 4 one02:15
compachowhite one02:15
PRGUY85it was alright but I want it to mature a bit more.  Ubuntu works better for me02:15
PRGUY85yea Oxygen02:15
compachoah ok02:15
compachoI think OpenSuse does the best job when it comes to looks02:16
PRGUY85Dust is great yea.  I like New Wave because it strikes a balance between dark/light02:16
PRGUY85and Shiki is awesome02:16
compachojust looked up shiki. pretty cool02:18
PRGUY85yea it is a well thought out package02:18
compachoDust still is better to me and would make a great default ubuntu theme02:19
PRGUY85true.02:20
PRGUY85Although I've seen not everyone likes dark themes02:20
PRGUY85Dust is awesome, I find it too dark for my default taste02:20
compachogtg, I'll be around :)02:32
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thorwil"A Textured 2007" http://news.deviantart.com/article/45394/14:07
* DannyKing-ZZzz wakes up14:08
=== DannyKing-ZZzz is now known as DannyKing
DannyKingSome nice stuff there thorwil14:09
thorwiljepp14:10
* thorwil -> coffee14:10
DannyKinggood idea! brb14:10
* DannyKing just had to turn down another web design contract due to going to University :(14:15
_MMA_:(14:35
DannyKing_MMA_: do you think maybe my icon style is /too/ real for breathe? Looking at Sebastian's bin, it looks much better at smaller sizes than my paper icon.14:41
_MMA_DannyKing: No. I think it's fine. We should drop the torn edge detail below 48px though.14:42
DannyKingOkay14:42
_MMA_Maybe just go to a plain rectangle.14:42
DanaGInteresting: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10/01/bit-tech-september-potm-winner-announced/115:36
DanaGBit-tech Picture of the Month often has interesting images.15:36
DanaGThe winning one reminds me of Ubuntu Studio.15:41
thorwil_MMA_: you would also do well to not quote full messages ;)16:02
_MMA_Hush. :P I'm doing 100 things at once atm. Forgot the <snip>.16:04
kwwiiI feel like someone is pumping jello into my cranium16:06
thorwilyuck16:06
thorwilonce imagined can't be unimagined16:07
thorwilin context of a trash bin or random product, should i talk about a "base" or a "socket" for the part things stand on?16:17
Nece228Hey16:48
Nece228Dust theme is based on Aurora engine?16:49
_MMA_thorwil: I'll have a Breathe BZR update in a min. You should re-download the template if you're using it.16:50
thorwil_MMA_: ok. what's the change about?16:50
Nece228Oh, it is16:50
kwwiithorwil: a base16:51
thorwilok16:51
Nece228I think that it's impossible to fix ugly widgets in openoffice, ff3 bug in aurora16:51
_MMA_thorwil: I had to name a plate layer for a feature in the script.16:51
_MMA_s/layer/object16:51
thorwil_MMA_: i want to tweak Sebastian's bin. guess I should transplant it then :)16:52
_MMA_If you want, send it to me and I'll drop it in place.16:52
_MMA_Either way.16:53
Nece228http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+Black?content=7321016:53
_MMA_Lemmie push these changes 1st.16:53
thorwildamn. inkscape draws the bg layers e9e3d8 and fbce87 in front of parts of the drawing17:22
_MMA_thorwil: Grab latest revision to trunk and run the script. :) It works! (still needs a couple of tweaks).17:25
* thorwil laughs at "smartboy"17:28
_MMA_Oh well. :)17:28
_MMA_thorwil: Note that the trash SVG misses the "arrows" detail for some reason. Im looking into it but might not matter since we're replacing it.17:29
_MMA_Killer. New GIMP out.17:57
thorwilgrrr. how can i safely kill and restart compiz.real?18:00
psyke83compiz --replace18:00
thorwilty18:08
* thorwil -> dinner18:09
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kwwii_MMA_: check out that screenshots on the website;-)18:36
kwwiiI like the theme they are using18:36
_MMA_kwwii: The GIMP site?18:42
_MMA_Yeah. Ive seen something like it before. :)18:43
_MMA_I swear that's a jimmac screenshot.18:44
rsc-hiya guise18:48
Cimithe orange is too much saturated18:48
rsc-where?18:49
DannyKingHi18:49
DannyKingoops, I've not been aligning thing sto the grid18:51
DannyKing*things to18:51
DannyKingThe lighter grey bin looks nice18:52
_MMA_yep.18:52
DannyKingslight jagged edge though. And the shadow is too dark for me18:52
* DannyKing wonders how sebastian drew his paper18:53
_MMA_I'm sure shadows will be constantly tinkered with.18:53
DannyKingyep18:53
* _MMA_ sets out to build GIMP 2.6 from source.18:55
DannyKingWhat colour should I draw the computer icon?18:56
DannyKingdark or light?18:56
_MMA_Surprise us. :)18:56
DannyKingorange it is, then ;)18:56
_MMA_:P18:57
DannyKingI think I'll work on that tonight. I want a break from paper18:57
thorwilDannyKing: i have been wondering about the computer icon. me being an industrial designer, it's kinda my field :)19:01
thorwilDannyKing: how to not say either desktop or laptop there?19:01
DannyKingOh would you rather do it? :)19:01
DannyKinghmm#19:02
thorwilDannyKing: no, go ahead19:02
DannyKingI don't think laptop users mind if the computer icon is a desktop19:03
eitreachIs there any chance for this to get into the final release? The icon set, that is.19:03
DannyKingWhereas a laptop icon for computer might confuse people, I think?19:03
DannyKingeitreach: not for intrepid19:03
DannyKing(breathe, that is)19:03
eitreachPah. Sadness.19:04
thorwilDannyKing: to include a display next to a case bothers me a bit, as the display being the computer is a common naive user misconception19:04
DannyKingRelease is in less than a month (I think?) and we've only just started building icons. We only have one!19:04
DannyKinghehe19:04
DannyKingthorwil: yeah I  see what you're saying. I'll think it over on a brainstorm19:04
DannyKing*mindmap, whatever.19:04
eitreachI was just wondering.. I've been following the mailig list for a bit, but wasn't sure how much had been left out from there.19:04
DannyKingeitreach: I think it's got everything reported on there so far actually :)19:05
DannyKingI think there's only been about a weeks work on the set19:05
thorwileitreach: only the intrigues and backstabbing. everything else goes through the list ^^19:05
* DannyKing just noticed SemirG_Borzo's new bin19:05
DannyKingThat complicate things, I like both :\19:06
_MMA_:)19:06
* _MMA_ looks.19:06
DannyKingAlthough it looks kinda like a thimble19:06
DannyKingperhaps if the base was wider19:06
DannyKingI really like that light streak to the right of it19:07
DannyKingHmm, looks like it's floating a little bit at the base there19:07
thorwilyes19:07
thorwilalready commented on that issue19:07
DannyKingOh sorry was that on the list?19:07
thorwilnp. yes19:08
DannyKingThought I was up to date on that, I'll check again19:08
DannyKingI think that the inside of the bin slopes at the wrong angle19:09
DannyKingit looks like really thick metal19:09
DannyKingI like your touch of blue idea, thorwil19:10
DanaGSame Breathe icon set topic?19:10
thorwilno, bizzaro world Breathe icon set19:11
DanaG"same", not "sane".  =รพ19:11
* DanaG goes off elsewhere for a while.19:11
thorwilnow if only blur wasn't so cpu intensive on editing19:12
DannyKingthorwil: Yeah I hate it when Inkscape dies when you use a few blurred shapes19:12
DannyKingWhat about a bin that's made from criss-crossed metal? (like, a paper bin)19:13
DannyKingI think that might look good19:13
_MMA_Like a Mac?19:13
* DannyKing goes and looks19:13
* _MMA_ feels thorwil's blurry pain.19:14
DannyKingI don't like the Mac icon19:14
DannyKingBut that idea (although now I'm weary it'll look like a copy)19:15
_MMA_Agreed.19:15
_MMA_http://images.google.com/images?q=trashbin&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi19:16
* _MMA_ sits back while GIMP 2.6 compiles.19:17
thorwilimage search is dodgy. found http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/post-sexy4.jpg with "trash icon"19:17
DannyKinghttp://dwell.co.uk/ProductImages/400-101115.jpg19:18
_MMA_thorwil: Don't turn off "safe-search" ya perve. :P19:18
DannyKinglol19:18
thorwilheh19:18
DannyKingHow about that style of bin but made from black metal?19:19
thorwilhttp://www.vegrafik.de/trashtease.jpg19:19
_MMA_That wouldnt work on dark themes.19:19
DannyKinghmm good poing19:19
aantnthorwil: yeah, that's nice19:20
_MMA_'tis19:20
* DannyKing will stop thinking about bins for now, we have too many as it is 19:20
DannyKingOh shit19:25
DannyKingsorry I top posted19:25
* DannyKing begs for mercy19:25
DannyKingaccident!19:25
thorwilha!19:25
_MMA_DEATH!19:25
thorwilDannyKing: 3 icons and we'll forgive you ;)19:25
DannyKinghehe19:25
* thorwil heads to the shower19:26
* DannyKing just posted to the list about sebastians bin19:35
aantnDannyKing, thorwil, _MMA_: how about a toilet?19:38
aantnwe could have an empty and full icon :-D19:38
_MMA_If I thought you were serious, I'd call you names.19:39
aantn_MMA_: heh :)19:39
DannyKingI think it's too jokey to be in a theme that aims to make Ubuntu look fantastic19:40
DannyKingTo me it's quite a ... "serious" theme19:40
DannyKingfor want of a better word19:40
DannyKingI considered a shredder but the analogy is wrong (although I'll do that for a secure deletion program perhaps)19:41
_MMA_I'm sure using a toilet would pretty much kill any shot at default.19:41
DannyKingthorwil: I can't seem to think of any other way to draw a computer than drawing a desktop machine19:42
aantnDannyKing: but...19:42
DannyKingaantn:  hmm?19:42
* aantn grins19:42
_MMA_Note: Ant screens/monitors should be widescreen. ;)19:42
_MMA_*Any19:43
aantnDannyKing: you could have a flushing noise when they empties the trash :-D19:43
DannyKingfine with me _MMA_19:43
DannyKingYou really like that idea huh? :p19:43
aantner, empty not empties19:43
DannyKing_MMA_:  for hardware should be aim to draw top-spec stuff? Like $200 keyboard/mice sets rather than generic stuff19:44
DannyKingi.e. make it look expensive or normal?19:44
aantnDannyKing: nah, don't take everything I say seriously ;)19:44
* aantn fully understands that a toilet icon can't go in any serious icon theme19:44
DannyKingAny other non usual ideas for icons are welcomed though. It's good to think out of the box19:45
_MMA_DannyKing: I would think design over price. If it looks good, we use it.19:45
aantnDannyKing: I know19:46
_MMA_Via Mr. Conn. http://www.getdeb.net/release/323319:57
DannyKingthorwil: I'm going to go ahead and draw a desktop.20:07
thorwilDannyKing: well, i think it might be possible to draw something that could be taken to be either a closed laptop, or a flat desktop20:09
thorwilDannyKing: btw, i agree with your additional points about Sebastian's bin20:09
DannyKingGreat thanks :)20:10
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_MMA_Or GIMP 2.6 PPA. https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive Yay Conn the super-sleuth.20:12
DannyKingthorwil: but the monitor confuses things. 99% of laptop users don't use an external monitor20:15
thorwilDannyKing: i wouldn't include a display20:16
DannyKingI just think a closed laptop wouldn't be easily recognisable as either a laptop or a desktop. I agree with your desire to have an icon that represents both but I don't think that's that icon20:17
DannyKingWe could include both a laptop and a desktop (at larger sizes?)20:18
DannyKingOr provide two icons?20:18
thorwil2 icons are not that useful, as we can't switch automatically20:19
DannyKingOr possibly just an image of the desktop20:19
DannyKingNo hardware at all, but almost like a screenshot?20:19
thorwilDannyKing: too easy to be mistaken as show-desktop or display20:20
DannyKinghmm20:20
_MMA_Confusing for laptop users or not, it's still a universal image for the computer. This is a minor issue to me.20:21
_MMA_I say we draw a widescreen monitor and be done with it.20:21
DannyKingThat's the monitor configuration icon, it'll need another hardware device with it20:21
DannyKingPersonally I don't mind the tried & tested desktop icon20:22
_MMA_I dont think it actually *needs* a box beside it. Human doesnt. Just has monitor and keyboard.20:23
DannyKingI think I'll work on the cd drive icon instead to give us a chance to think it over20:23
_MMA_That GIMP PPA works BTW.20:24
DannyKingcool20:24
DannyKingbrb, food20:24
DannyKingBack20:41
DannyKingyou guys played with filter effects in Inkscape yet? Look at what they can do: (first post)  http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1607&sid=4c81dbf7fc9ac2e437a08042a237382e20:41
DannyKingfirefox can view that svg20:42
thorwilnice!20:42
DannyKingYeah, I had no idea they were as powerful as that20:42
DannyKingif you move the nodes around the pattern updates20:42
thorwilfirefox can display it and crawl! ^^20:42
DannyKingthorwil: true :p20:43
DannyKing_MMA_: I don't like the perspective of the oxygen drive-optical icon20:44
_MMA_There's also a pretty cool InkBleed effect.20:44
DannyKingCan I change it to match sebastian's bin perspective?20:44
_MMA_DannyKing: Go for it.20:44
_MMA_Everything's open.20:44
thorwilDannyKing: we havn't decided on perspective, yet, after all20:44
DannyKingsomething similar to this? http://www.itreviews.co.uk/graphics/normal/hardware/h669.jpg20:45
DannyKingthorwil: yeah, just mindful of being influenced by oxygen20:45
thorwilDannyKing: nobody will care about an oxygen influence if our icons will have a human touch and otherwuse just rock ;)20:46
_MMA_However I'm not at all against using the Oxygen icons where they fit.20:49
* _MMA_ goes to take a break for a bit.20:50
thorwilso i made the lip of the bin thicker and added a shadow beneath. and now in the middle of the work it's time to log out again :}21:02
thorwilgood night!21:02
savvaswhat's the current default background in intrepid?21:26
savvasmust be this one: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "/usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png"21:29
rsc-ugh21:31
rsc-i cant believe the buzz on clear intrepid21:31
rsc-lol21:31
rsc-https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Clear_Intrepid?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ClearFinale.png21:32
SevishYeah it looks pretty awful.21:32
savvaswell it's.. different :p21:33
rsc-it's also impossible.21:34
rsc-given gtk constraints21:34
rsc-:(21:34
rsc-I think the ubuntu community needs more people with taste!21:34
savvasspeaking of awful.. can someone tell me if this looks at least good for an invitation: http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-cy-intrepid/21:34
rsc-ugh gotta run21:34
rsc-i'd consider anoher font21:35
savvassuggestion?21:35
rsc-something simple.21:35
rsc-myriad or a look-alike21:35
savvasbitsteam vera sans ?21:35
rsc-even something like liberation sans21:35
rsc-no not bitstream vera21:35
rsc-anyway igotta run! sorry guys, girlfriend waiting at airport21:36
savvasoki doki thanks21:36
rsc-:)21:36
Borzogidday21:41
DannyKingHi Borzo, you submitted the second bin, right?21:41
BorzoHi DannyKing, yes I did21:42
BorzoI just finished correcting the perspective21:42
Borzoand made the top thinner21:42
DannyKingNice work :)21:42
Borzothanks...21:44
BorzoI will submit the new version tomorrow, i still need to write this serious work e-mail now21:45
DannyKingI hope you don't mind the critiques?21:45
Borzonot at all21:45
DannyKingcool :)21:45
Borzoit makes it better don't they :)21:45
rsc-sup guys :)23:07
DannyKinghellew23:07
PRGUY85sup people23:51
PRGUY85hola Dannyking23:51
DannyKinghola como va?23:52
PRGUY85todo bien y tu23:52
DannyKingbien gracias23:52
PRGUY85alguna noticia nueva?23:53
DannyKingestoy instalando Ubuntu server por el tercero vex hoy :\ Tengo problemas con encryption y siempre lo roto23:53
PRGUY85por ahora a mi me va muy bien con Ibex, lo unico es que a veces el driver nvidia hace cosas raras en los "window borders"23:54
DannyKingcomo que?23:54
PRGUY85que se desaparecen los colores, se queda palido y solo reaparecen cuando subo y bajo la ventana23:55
PRGUY85the community packages look awesome in ibex, specially on my laptop.23:55
PRGUY85tomorrow is beta release right?23:56
* DannyKing shrugs23:56
PRGUY85yea I think it is oct 223:56
DannyKingcool23:57
PRGUY85any new ideas on breathe?23:57
DannyKingBorzo submitted a new bin which looks pretty cool23:57
DannyKingAlthough I can't choose which one I prefer23:57
PRGUY85the gray one?23:58
DannyKingthornill wants the computer icon to represent both laptops and desktops, and I have no idea how to do that23:58
DannyKingand I'm going to work on a cd drive icon tonight if I finish installing ubuntu /ever/23:58
DannyKingPRGUY85: There are two grey ones, The original and now a new one by a different person23:58
PRGUY85DannyKing: Yes, I'm seeing it.  The new one kinda looks more like a Fedora icon, others look more Ubuntu-ish and more hyper-realistic.  Yet, they look very much alike current icon theme.23:59

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