[00:00] real things would seem more human than these current wallpapers [00:00] the next gnome ships some nice backgrounds [00:00] hopefully they're not removed [00:01] ...but there's no logical reason to remove them, so it'll probably actually have backgrounds this go around [00:01] I'm not a photographer BUT I am quite good at photoshop. So maybe I can stitch some images together tastefully [00:03] idk, how canonical would feel about the legalities of someone heavily editing photos together [00:14] compacho, photos are usually not suitable as a wallpaper [00:14] photos must have a focus, and when you have some focus you have too many details that makes the icons and the text not readable and distractive [00:14] yeah [00:14] visually noisy [00:15] that's why usually abstract wallpapers are chosen over photos [00:15] the best ones are translucent white or black abstract .pngs [00:15] that you can put gradients behind [00:29] does this look.. ok (at least)? :P http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-cy-intrepid/ubuntucymeeting.png [00:43] * DannyKing gets back [01:00] * kwwii sleeps [01:07] * _MMA_ pokes his head in. [01:19] cimi and ethana2 I get what you're saying. I've used many photo wallpapers in the past that totally distracted me but If u look at some of apple's wallpapers, such as the grass blades one, they make sense [01:28] I guess using real life photos without points of focus is the key [01:29] there are a few photos in the new gnome wallpaper [01:29] wallpapers** [01:32] hola [01:38] ok, i seen the new gnome wallpapers. Pretty cool, but nothing thats "wow." [01:38] and they're pretty similar too [01:38] yea compacho its pretty standard OS stuff [01:39] If I had a nice camera and lens, I could reproduce some of those images. [01:39] hmm...i might hafta put my money where my mouth is and create something [01:40] probably compacho [01:40] you trying ibex? [01:40] is this channel the right place to submit artwork? [01:40] no, not yet [01:40] waiting for beta [01:41] well this channle is to discuss artwork [01:41] I suggest you submit stuff on the mailing list [01:41] ok, its my 1st time here [01:41] well the latest updated alpha is pretty good [01:41] I know don't worry, I'm no vet either. [01:41] cool [01:42] I got into ubuntu on the Gutsy release and have been slowly learning everything about linux since then [01:42] have you used the Day of Ubuntu wallpaper? [01:42] ....the one with the tree on a hill? [01:44] no no [01:44] it's got a tree though [01:44] I think it was in gutsy [01:44] * compacho googles it [01:44] http://xs223.xs.to/xs223/08052/ubuntu-dawnofubuntu_1600x1200812.png.xs.jpg [01:45] yepp, i meant that one [01:45] see, that's similar to a wallpaper I wanna make. Its real and not real [01:46] the one I use is Day of Ubuntu which is a slideshow [01:46] changes according to time of day [01:46] use it with Dust or New Wave [01:49] look at this [01:49] http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/an-ubuntu-retrospective-in-wallpaper/ [01:50] most of them I don't like except dawn of ubuntu and the elephant skin [01:51] yea [01:51] although the brown ones were not that bad [01:51] this is the frustrating thing about ubuntu. it has so much potential to look great [01:51] I think most were better than the current intrepid default [01:51] well most important thing is it works great [01:52] I used fedora for a day and missed ubuntu [01:52] i don't like when people say "Is ubuntu still using the shit color?" I for one think brown can be made to look elegant [01:53] walk into any classy coffe shop and u get an idea of how brown can be used [01:53] haha true [01:53] well [01:54] try to emulate that on ubuntu [01:54] maybe start incorporating green or something [01:54] yet Hardy was more orange than anything [01:55] idk why its limited to just brown. it should use all warm colors [01:55] orange should be used VERY sparingly imo [01:56] why so [01:57] cause I think its too strong of a color [01:57] well there are different shades of it [01:57] same as brown [01:57] I think they should go for the soft tones [01:57] and maybe add some green into it or something [01:58] yeah, but the idealistic orange is strong in itself. Like I would use orange as a highlight on the close button of a window [01:59] so if I photoshop some images I just find on google, I have to heavily edit them to avoid legal problems right? [02:01] don't really know, depends on copyright [02:03] beta launches on thursday, maybe they make some changes then [02:05] hope so [02:05] Dust makes brown look good [02:05] ..i'm rooting for it [02:06] Dust? thats a theme right? [02:06] yep [02:07] hmmm....i might have it on ym system. lemme check [02:08] Ahhh yes. i do have it. Very classy theme. One of the very few dark themes that work [02:09] heyyyyy now [02:09] ubuntustudio [02:09] best usplash theme EVAR [02:09] ..and the desktop theme is cool too [02:11] ubuntu studio is alright, but dust is better [02:12] borderless FTW [02:12] Shiki-Human is also awesome [02:13] i wish making themes was easy. I would love to take a stab at it [02:14] heh [02:14] the things i want are too radical for mere themes [02:14] right now, I'm using a KDE 4 theme for gnome [02:14] haha [02:14] its so slick [02:14] which theme? [02:15] I was using openSuse for my KDE 4.1 fix [02:15] umm....the default KDE 4 one [02:15] white one [02:15] it was alright but I want it to mature a bit more. Ubuntu works better for me [02:15] yea Oxygen [02:15] ah ok [02:16] I think OpenSuse does the best job when it comes to looks [02:16] Dust is great yea. I like New Wave because it strikes a balance between dark/light [02:16] and Shiki is awesome [02:18] just looked up shiki. pretty cool [02:18] yea it is a well thought out package [02:19] Dust still is better to me and would make a great default ubuntu theme [02:20] true. [02:20] Although I've seen not everyone likes dark themes [02:20] Dust is awesome, I find it too dark for my default taste [02:32] gtg, I'll be around :) === DannyKing is now known as DannyKing-ZZzz [14:07] "A Textured 2007" http://news.deviantart.com/article/45394/ [14:08] * DannyKing-ZZzz wakes up === DannyKing-ZZzz is now known as DannyKing [14:09] Some nice stuff there thorwil [14:10] jepp [14:10] * thorwil -> coffee [14:10] good idea! brb [14:15] * DannyKing just had to turn down another web design contract due to going to University :( [14:35] <_MMA_> :( [14:41] _MMA_: do you think maybe my icon style is /too/ real for breathe? Looking at Sebastian's bin, it looks much better at smaller sizes than my paper icon. [14:42] <_MMA_> DannyKing: No. I think it's fine. We should drop the torn edge detail below 48px though. [14:42] Okay [14:42] <_MMA_> Maybe just go to a plain rectangle. [15:36] Interesting: http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2008/10/01/bit-tech-september-potm-winner-announced/1 [15:36] Bit-tech Picture of the Month often has interesting images. [15:41] The winning one reminds me of Ubuntu Studio. [16:02] _MMA_: you would also do well to not quote full messages ;) [16:04] <_MMA_> Hush. :P I'm doing 100 things at once atm. Forgot the . [16:06] I feel like someone is pumping jello into my cranium [16:06] yuck [16:07] once imagined can't be unimagined [16:17] in context of a trash bin or random product, should i talk about a "base" or a "socket" for the part things stand on? [16:48] Hey [16:49] Dust theme is based on Aurora engine? [16:50] <_MMA_> thorwil: I'll have a Breathe BZR update in a min. You should re-download the template if you're using it. [16:50] _MMA_: ok. what's the change about? [16:50] Oh, it is [16:51] thorwil: a base [16:51] ok [16:51] I think that it's impossible to fix ugly widgets in openoffice, ff3 bug in aurora [16:51] <_MMA_> thorwil: I had to name a plate layer for a feature in the script. [16:51] <_MMA_> s/layer/object [16:52] _MMA_: i want to tweak Sebastian's bin. guess I should transplant it then :) [16:52] <_MMA_> If you want, send it to me and I'll drop it in place. [16:53] <_MMA_> Either way. [16:53] http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Slickness+Black?content=73210 [16:53] <_MMA_> Lemmie push these changes 1st. [17:22] damn. inkscape draws the bg layers e9e3d8 and fbce87 in front of parts of the drawing [17:25] <_MMA_> thorwil: Grab latest revision to trunk and run the script. :) It works! (still needs a couple of tweaks). [17:28] * thorwil laughs at "smartboy" [17:28] <_MMA_> Oh well. :) [17:29] <_MMA_> thorwil: Note that the trash SVG misses the "arrows" detail for some reason. Im looking into it but might not matter since we're replacing it. [17:57] <_MMA_> Killer. New GIMP out. [18:00] grrr. how can i safely kill and restart compiz.real? [18:00] compiz --replace [18:08] ty [18:09] * thorwil -> dinner === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG === njpatel is now known as njpatel_away [18:36] _MMA_: check out that screenshots on the website;-) [18:36] I like the theme they are using [18:42] <_MMA_> kwwii: The GIMP site? [18:43] <_MMA_> Yeah. Ive seen something like it before. :) [18:44] <_MMA_> I swear that's a jimmac screenshot. [18:48] hiya guise [18:48] the orange is too much saturated [18:49] where? [18:49] Hi [18:51] oops, I've not been aligning thing sto the grid [18:51] *things to [18:52] The lighter grey bin looks nice [18:52] <_MMA_> yep. [18:52] slight jagged edge though. And the shadow is too dark for me [18:53] * DannyKing wonders how sebastian drew his paper [18:53] <_MMA_> I'm sure shadows will be constantly tinkered with. [18:53] yep [18:55] * _MMA_ sets out to build GIMP 2.6 from source. [18:56] What colour should I draw the computer icon? [18:56] dark or light? [18:56] <_MMA_> Surprise us. :) [18:56] orange it is, then ;) [18:57] <_MMA_> :P [18:57] I think I'll work on that tonight. I want a break from paper [19:01] DannyKing: i have been wondering about the computer icon. me being an industrial designer, it's kinda my field :) [19:01] DannyKing: how to not say either desktop or laptop there? [19:01] Oh would you rather do it? :) [19:02] hmm# [19:02] DannyKing: no, go ahead [19:03] I don't think laptop users mind if the computer icon is a desktop [19:03] Is there any chance for this to get into the final release? The icon set, that is. [19:03] Whereas a laptop icon for computer might confuse people, I think? [19:03] eitreach: not for intrepid [19:03] (breathe, that is) [19:04] Pah. Sadness. [19:04] DannyKing: to include a display next to a case bothers me a bit, as the display being the computer is a common naive user misconception [19:04] Release is in less than a month (I think?) and we've only just started building icons. We only have one! [19:04] hehe [19:04] thorwil: yeah I see what you're saying. I'll think it over on a brainstorm [19:04] *mindmap, whatever. [19:04] I was just wondering.. I've been following the mailig list for a bit, but wasn't sure how much had been left out from there. [19:05] eitreach: I think it's got everything reported on there so far actually :) [19:05] I think there's only been about a weeks work on the set [19:05] eitreach: only the intrigues and backstabbing. everything else goes through the list ^^ [19:05] * DannyKing just noticed SemirG_Borzo's new bin [19:06] That complicate things, I like both :\ [19:06] <_MMA_> :) [19:06] * _MMA_ looks. [19:06] Although it looks kinda like a thimble [19:06] perhaps if the base was wider [19:07] I really like that light streak to the right of it [19:07] Hmm, looks like it's floating a little bit at the base there [19:07] yes [19:07] already commented on that issue [19:07] Oh sorry was that on the list? [19:08] np. yes [19:08] Thought I was up to date on that, I'll check again [19:09] I think that the inside of the bin slopes at the wrong angle [19:09] it looks like really thick metal [19:10] I like your touch of blue idea, thorwil [19:10] Same Breathe icon set topic? [19:11] no, bizzaro world Breathe icon set [19:11] "same", not "sane". =þ [19:11] * DanaG goes off elsewhere for a while. [19:12] now if only blur wasn't so cpu intensive on editing [19:12] thorwil: Yeah I hate it when Inkscape dies when you use a few blurred shapes [19:13] What about a bin that's made from criss-crossed metal? (like, a paper bin) [19:13] I think that might look good [19:13] <_MMA_> Like a Mac? [19:13] * DannyKing goes and looks [19:14] * _MMA_ feels thorwil's blurry pain. [19:14] I don't like the Mac icon [19:15] But that idea (although now I'm weary it'll look like a copy) [19:15] <_MMA_> Agreed. [19:16] <_MMA_> http://images.google.com/images?q=trashbin&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi [19:17] * _MMA_ sits back while GIMP 2.6 compiles. [19:17] image search is dodgy. found http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/post-sexy4.jpg with "trash icon" [19:18] http://dwell.co.uk/ProductImages/400-101115.jpg [19:18] <_MMA_> thorwil: Don't turn off "safe-search" ya perve. :P [19:18] lol [19:18] heh [19:19] How about that style of bin but made from black metal? [19:19] http://www.vegrafik.de/trashtease.jpg [19:19] <_MMA_> That wouldnt work on dark themes. [19:19] hmm good poing [19:20] thorwil: yeah, that's nice [19:20] <_MMA_> 'tis [19:20] * DannyKing will stop thinking about bins for now, we have too many as it is [19:25] Oh shit [19:25] sorry I top posted [19:25] * DannyKing begs for mercy [19:25] accident! [19:25] ha! [19:25] <_MMA_> DEATH! [19:25] DannyKing: 3 icons and we'll forgive you ;) [19:25] hehe [19:26] * thorwil heads to the shower [19:35] * DannyKing just posted to the list about sebastians bin [19:38] DannyKing, thorwil, _MMA_: how about a toilet? [19:38] we could have an empty and full icon :-D [19:39] <_MMA_> If I thought you were serious, I'd call you names. [19:39] _MMA_: heh :) [19:40] I think it's too jokey to be in a theme that aims to make Ubuntu look fantastic [19:40] To me it's quite a ... "serious" theme [19:40] for want of a better word [19:41] I considered a shredder but the analogy is wrong (although I'll do that for a secure deletion program perhaps) [19:41] <_MMA_> I'm sure using a toilet would pretty much kill any shot at default. [19:42] thorwil: I can't seem to think of any other way to draw a computer than drawing a desktop machine [19:42] DannyKing: but... [19:42] aantn: hmm? [19:42] * aantn grins [19:42] <_MMA_> Note: Ant screens/monitors should be widescreen. ;) [19:43] <_MMA_> *Any [19:43] DannyKing: you could have a flushing noise when they empties the trash :-D [19:43] fine with me _MMA_ [19:43] You really like that idea huh? :p [19:43] er, empty not empties [19:44] _MMA_: for hardware should be aim to draw top-spec stuff? Like $200 keyboard/mice sets rather than generic stuff [19:44] i.e. make it look expensive or normal? [19:44] DannyKing: nah, don't take everything I say seriously ;) [19:44] * aantn fully understands that a toilet icon can't go in any serious icon theme [19:45] Any other non usual ideas for icons are welcomed though. It's good to think out of the box [19:45] <_MMA_> DannyKing: I would think design over price. If it looks good, we use it. [19:46] DannyKing: I know [19:57] <_MMA_> Via Mr. Conn. http://www.getdeb.net/release/3233 [20:07] thorwil: I'm going to go ahead and draw a desktop. [20:09] DannyKing: well, i think it might be possible to draw something that could be taken to be either a closed laptop, or a flat desktop [20:09] DannyKing: btw, i agree with your additional points about Sebastian's bin [20:10] Great thanks :) === DanaG1 is now known as DanaG [20:12] <_MMA_> Or GIMP 2.6 PPA. https://launchpad.net/~c-korn/+archive Yay Conn the super-sleuth. [20:15] thorwil: but the monitor confuses things. 99% of laptop users don't use an external monitor [20:16] DannyKing: i wouldn't include a display [20:17] I just think a closed laptop wouldn't be easily recognisable as either a laptop or a desktop. I agree with your desire to have an icon that represents both but I don't think that's that icon [20:18] We could include both a laptop and a desktop (at larger sizes?) [20:18] Or provide two icons? [20:19] 2 icons are not that useful, as we can't switch automatically [20:19] Or possibly just an image of the desktop [20:19] No hardware at all, but almost like a screenshot? [20:20] DannyKing: too easy to be mistaken as show-desktop or display [20:20] hmm [20:21] <_MMA_> Confusing for laptop users or not, it's still a universal image for the computer. This is a minor issue to me. [20:21] <_MMA_> I say we draw a widescreen monitor and be done with it. [20:21] That's the monitor configuration icon, it'll need another hardware device with it [20:22] Personally I don't mind the tried & tested desktop icon [20:23] <_MMA_> I dont think it actually *needs* a box beside it. Human doesnt. Just has monitor and keyboard. [20:23] I think I'll work on the cd drive icon instead to give us a chance to think it over [20:24] <_MMA_> That GIMP PPA works BTW. [20:24] cool [20:24] brb, food [20:41] Back [20:41] you guys played with filter effects in Inkscape yet? Look at what they can do: (first post) http://www.inkscapeforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=1607&sid=4c81dbf7fc9ac2e437a08042a237382e [20:42] firefox can view that svg [20:42] nice! [20:42] Yeah, I had no idea they were as powerful as that [20:42] if you move the nodes around the pattern updates [20:42] firefox can display it and crawl! ^^ [20:43] thorwil: true :p [20:44] _MMA_: I don't like the perspective of the oxygen drive-optical icon [20:44] <_MMA_> There's also a pretty cool InkBleed effect. [20:44] Can I change it to match sebastian's bin perspective? [20:44] <_MMA_> DannyKing: Go for it. [20:44] <_MMA_> Everything's open. [20:44] DannyKing: we havn't decided on perspective, yet, after all [20:45] something similar to this? http://www.itreviews.co.uk/graphics/normal/hardware/h669.jpg [20:45] thorwil: yeah, just mindful of being influenced by oxygen [20:46] DannyKing: nobody will care about an oxygen influence if our icons will have a human touch and otherwuse just rock ;) [20:49] <_MMA_> However I'm not at all against using the Oxygen icons where they fit. [20:50] * _MMA_ goes to take a break for a bit. [21:02] so i made the lip of the bin thicker and added a shadow beneath. and now in the middle of the work it's time to log out again :} [21:02] good night! [21:26] what's the current default background in intrepid? [21:29] must be this one: /desktop/gnome/background/picture_filename "/usr/share/backgrounds/warty-final-ubuntu.png" [21:31] ugh [21:31] i cant believe the buzz on clear intrepid [21:31] lol [21:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Clear_Intrepid?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=ClearFinale.png [21:32] Yeah it looks pretty awful. [21:33] well it's.. different :p [21:34] it's also impossible. [21:34] given gtk constraints [21:34] :( [21:34] I think the ubuntu community needs more people with taste! [21:34] speaking of awful.. can someone tell me if this looks at least good for an invitation: http://savvas.radevic.com/previews/ubuntu-cy-intrepid/ [21:34] ugh gotta run [21:35] i'd consider anoher font [21:35] suggestion? [21:35] something simple. [21:35] myriad or a look-alike [21:35] bitsteam vera sans ? [21:35] even something like liberation sans [21:35] no not bitstream vera [21:36] anyway igotta run! sorry guys, girlfriend waiting at airport [21:36] oki doki thanks [21:36] :) [21:41] gidday [21:41] Hi Borzo, you submitted the second bin, right? [21:42] Hi DannyKing, yes I did [21:42] I just finished correcting the perspective [21:42] and made the top thinner [21:42] Nice work :) [21:44] thanks... [21:45] I will submit the new version tomorrow, i still need to write this serious work e-mail now [21:45] I hope you don't mind the critiques? [21:45] not at all [21:45] cool :) [21:45] it makes it better don't they :) [23:07] sup guys :) [23:07] hellew [23:51] sup people [23:51] hola Dannyking [23:52] hola como va? [23:52] todo bien y tu [23:52] bien gracias [23:53] alguna noticia nueva? [23:53] estoy instalando Ubuntu server por el tercero vex hoy :\ Tengo problemas con encryption y siempre lo roto [23:54] por ahora a mi me va muy bien con Ibex, lo unico es que a veces el driver nvidia hace cosas raras en los "window borders" [23:54] como que? [23:55] que se desaparecen los colores, se queda palido y solo reaparecen cuando subo y bajo la ventana [23:55] the community packages look awesome in ibex, specially on my laptop. [23:56] tomorrow is beta release right? [23:56] * DannyKing shrugs [23:56] yea I think it is oct 2 [23:57] cool [23:57] any new ideas on breathe? [23:57] Borzo submitted a new bin which looks pretty cool [23:57] Although I can't choose which one I prefer [23:58] the gray one? [23:58] thornill wants the computer icon to represent both laptops and desktops, and I have no idea how to do that [23:58] and I'm going to work on a cd drive icon tonight if I finish installing ubuntu /ever/ [23:58] PRGUY85: There are two grey ones, The original and now a new one by a different person [23:59] DannyKing: Yes, I'm seeing it. The new one kinda looks more like a Fedora icon, others look more Ubuntu-ish and more hyper-realistic. Yet, they look very much alike current icon theme.