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| davmor2 | Hello everybody :) | 17:57 |
| heno | hey | 17:58 |
| * pedro_ waves | 18:00 | |
| ara | hi! | 18:01 |
| * ogasawara waves | 18:01 | |
| sbeattie | hey | 18:02 |
| schwuk | hi | 18:02 |
| heno | #startmeeting | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno. | 18:02 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:02 |
| heno | agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings | 18:02 |
| heno | Beta testing is of course the big topic today | 18:03 |
| davmor2 | I've nearly completed Xubuntu | 18:04 |
| heno | everyone has done a great job testing since images started appearing yesterday | 18:04 |
| heno | bad news is ... we may get new desktop CDs still | 18:04 |
| heno | thanks ara for finding bug 276657 :) | 18:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 276657 in ubiquity "Main menu is still in English after installation from LiveCD" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276657 | 18:05 |
| heno | it's apparently non-trivial to recover if we ship that on the beta CDs | 18:05 |
| heno | We may know by the end of the meeting | 18:06 |
| davmor2 | Ah it's okay just means ara needs to test them all ;) | 18:06 |
| heno | meanwhile let's move to: | 18:06 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Regression bug triage | 18:06 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Regression bug triage | 18:06 |
| heno | the triage team have looked at these | 18:06 |
| heno | and there is at least one worrying bug, the repeat suspend bug | 18:07 |
| heno | bug 261084 | 18:07 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 261084 in gnome-power-manager "Suspends again right after resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261084 | 18:07 |
| heno | bdmurray: do you want to talk about that, or raise other bugs? | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | heno: I think it would be good if another person could test bug 261084 just to confirm my findings | 18:08 |
| bdmurray | I looked through upstream bug trackers and didn't see anything similar | 18:09 |
| heno | yes, an impact assessment would be good here, to figure out how many machines it affects | 18:10 |
| ara | bdmurray: I could try that | 18:11 |
| ara | bdmurray: i need to install the updates first, though | 18:11 |
| heno | it seems too late for beta though if there is no fix in sight yet | 18:11 |
| bdmurray | ara: that'd be great, let me know if you need any help | 18:11 |
| heno | bryce: around? could you look at bug 261084 ? | 18:11 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 261084 in gnome-power-manager "Suspends again right after resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261084 | 18:11 |
| bdmurray | ted seemed to have an idea about what change might have done it | 18:11 |
| heno | ted suggests it may be X repeating the keystroke | 18:12 |
| davmor2 | I got ubuntu still I can install it on my intel machine | 18:12 |
| bryce | heno, ok | 18:12 |
| bdmurray | right, when I spoke to him last he didn't think so | 18:12 |
| heno | ok | 18:12 |
| bdmurray | It's possible to recreate it with a Live CD, so no install would be necessary | 18:12 |
| heno | still, more eyeballs on it doesn't hurt | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | I can test it in a little while, but I've got something else on my plate at the moment. | 18:13 |
| bryce | heno: it's probably more likely acpi than X; X tends to be less involved in hotkey handling than before | 18:13 |
| heno | bryce: ok, thanks | 18:14 |
| heno | schwuk: do you think we could test this on the laptops in Montreal? | 18:14 |
| heno | install intrepid and then go around manually suspending a bunch of them | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | bryce: we should probably document that due to the fglrx, more ati users will likely be using -ati and as such may see regressions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview | 18:15 |
| schwuk | heno: we should be able to, but - as you say - it would be manual | 18:16 |
| bryce | sbeattie: I'd agree - did you want to put in an initial draft of something? I'd be happy to flesh it out. | 18:17 |
| heno | schwuk: right, but it would be a one-time fact-finding mission | 18:17 |
| heno | to find the scope of it | 18:17 |
| sbeattie | bryce: sure. | 18:18 |
| heno | schwuk: are you able to kick off the relevant installs? | 18:18 |
| bdmurray | heno: would it change releasing the beta? | 18:18 |
| bryce | heno, I'll update the bug. | 18:18 |
| sbeattie | [ACTION] sbeattie to put an initial draft of fglrx/-ati issue on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview | 18:18 |
| * sbeattie sighs at mootbot. | 18:18 | |
| heno | bdmurray: my view would be no, but the release team decides | 18:19 |
| heno | it can be fixed with an update once the problem is found | 18:19 |
| davmor2 | bdmurray: I'd of said no but put it in the release text | 18:20 |
| heno | while the lang-pack problem has more subtle package management implications apparently | 18:20 |
| schwuk | heno: I've tried connecting to montreal directly since re-installing this laptop, so probably not. | 18:20 |
| schwuk | I'll give it a go though. | 18:21 |
| heno | schwuk: ok, please look into what's needed - we can talk after the meeting about whether we actually want to do it | 18:22 |
| heno | perhaps we should instead devise a more general suspend-resume testing day on those machine next week | 18:22 |
| davmor2 | could add it to the testing day | 18:24 |
| heno | so to continue the regression topic | 18:24 |
| heno | were there any other notable items that turned up? | 18:24 |
| bdmurray | bug 271550 is still unfixed, but I saw \sh mention something about it in #ubuntu-devel | 18:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 18:25 |
| davmor2 | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/275882 | 18:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 275882 in ubuntu "Intrepid: Xubuntu doesn't play audio cd's" [Undecided,New] | 18:26 |
| bdmurray | I find it a bit slow going through the regression- ubgs | 18:26 |
| heno | yes it wasn't clear to me that his upload was to fix bug 271550 | 18:27 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 | 18:27 |
| heno | it's not marked fixed for Ubuntu, just Debian | 18:27 |
| sbeattie | bdmurray: me too. Do you have any ideas for making it better? Would it help to have the description available? | 18:28 |
| heno | is that just pending the upload perhaps? | 18:28 |
| bdmurray | "09:22 < \sh> can someone let ia32-libs*ubuntu15 go through the buildds pls?" | 18:30 |
| bdmurray | From #ubuntu-devel this morning so I think so | 18:30 |
| heno | in fact the changelog claims 2.2ubuntu14 fixes it, ok | 18:31 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: not so much the report I think but the time it takes to review the bugs | 18:31 |
| heno | bdmurray: what can we do to help the regression triage along? can we ask the dev teams to lend a hand for their packages? | 18:32 |
| ogasawara | sbeattie: would it be possible to sort each package by status and importance | 18:32 |
| bdmurray | heno: perhaps asking bug control to help out | 18:33 |
| bdmurray | sbeattie: maybe a reviewed checkbox, I think harvest has one, would help | 18:33 |
| sbeattie | ogasawara: within each package? Yeah, right now I'm just sorting by bug number as a secondary sort item. | 18:33 |
| heno | bdmurray: will you ask bug control? ogasawara: perhaps you can ask someone on the kernel team to look as well, I guess quite a few of these were kernel | 18:34 |
| ogasawara | sbeattie: yup, within each package | 18:34 |
| heno | (unless those are already well-triaged) | 18:35 |
| ogasawara | heno: yes there are quite a few kernel ones, but many are in an incomplete state waiting for feedback | 18:35 |
| heno | ok | 18:35 |
| bdmurray | heno: I'll send a mail today | 18:36 |
| heno | let's review it again at the next meeting | 18:36 |
| heno | thanks bdmurray | 18:36 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Testing day next Monday | 18:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Testing day next Monday | 18:36 |
| ara | we are having our next testing day on Monday and we would focus on distribution upgrades | 18:37 |
| heno | ara will lead a testing day focusing on upgrades and update-manager automation | 18:37 |
| heno | :) | 18:37 |
| ara | if there are people willing to upgrade their systems, now that we reach the beta, it is a good opportunity to get some feedback | 18:38 |
| heno | we can ask people to try the system->VM script for multiple upgrade trials | 18:39 |
| heno | schwuk: you had played with that aslso right? | 18:39 |
| heno | schwuk: can you be around Monday to help people with that? | 18:40 |
| ara | heno: I haven't heard about that script, can you point to some doc? | 18:40 |
| schwuk | heno: I can, but if you recall my experience wasn't completely successful. I shall work with again before then. | 18:41 |
| heno | schwuk: so you can be there to warn people | 18:41 |
| heno | :) | 18:41 |
| heno | I was actually mvo's first pre-alpha tester | 18:42 |
| heno | but I'm sure it's not broken any systems since then ;) | 18:43 |
| heno | I can't find a link just now | 18:43 |
| schwuk | ara (and anyone else who's interested): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026017.html | 18:43 |
| ara | heno: np | 18:43 |
| heno | schwuk: do you know? | 18:43 |
| heno | thanks | 18:43 |
| heno | anyway, testing day will be great fun! :) | 18:45 |
| heno | moving on ... | 18:45 |
| heno | [TOPIC] Adding/Removing tracker test cases | 18:45 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Adding/Removing tracker test cases | 18:45 |
| heno | we have a few requests listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ | 18:45 |
| heno | I think we should also prune the case list a bit | 18:46 |
| davmor2 | isn't the free software only for live cd too? | 18:46 |
| davmor2 | - winfoss from edubutnu | 18:47 |
| heno | Edubuntu upgrade, for example, seems less important when there was no direct install in hardy | 18:47 |
| heno | I'd rather do an overloaded install + upgrade test | 18:47 |
| heno | liw and I did some of that for Hardy | 18:47 |
| heno | ara, schwuk can you two coordinate that this time | 18:48 |
| heno | weekly tests starting next week would be good | 18:48 |
| heno | by that I mean upgrading a large install, with 5-10000 packages | 18:49 |
| sbeattie | davmor2: free software is different from winfoss, it doesn't include stuff from multiverse. | 18:49 |
| sbeattie | but it's a regular install otherwise. | 18:49 |
| ara | heno, schwuk: sure | 18:49 |
| schwuk | heno, ara: likewise :) | 18:49 |
| heno | any other tests people think we should prune? | 18:50 |
| sbeattie | you can select the option on the live cd, but it doesn't appear to do anything. | 18:50 |
| davmor2 | you could ask about xubuntu upgrades | 18:51 |
| heno | sbeattie: as in nothing at all happens or no different from normal? | 18:51 |
| sbeattie | no different from normal | 18:51 |
| heno | ok | 18:51 |
| davmor2 | sbeattie: I know that :) Edubuntu currently has winfoss on it rather than umenu and wubi. | 18:52 |
| heno | davmor2: esp. if we include xfce stuff in the large upgrade install | 18:52 |
| heno | davmor2: agreed, that test should be removed too | 18:52 |
| heno | ok, we'll add those to the list for removal | 18:53 |
| heno | any other topics? | 18:53 |
| heno | (no news on new desktop images yet, btw) | 18:53 |
| davmor2 | do we need to re-test desktop | 18:53 |
| davmor2 | testing suspend now | 18:54 |
| heno | davmor2: we may need to - don't know yet | 18:55 |
| heno | ok, thanks everyone! | 18:55 |
| heno | happy testing and triage! | 18:56 |
| ara | cheers! | 18:56 |
| heno | #endmeeting | 18:56 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:56. | 18:56 |
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