=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 01 Oct 17:00: QA Team | 02 Oct 00:30: ubuntu-pa LoCo Team | 02 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 02 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 03 Oct 12:00: MOTU Team [00:55] !meeting [00:55] Team meetings are held in #ubuntu-meeting - See « /msg ubottu logs » for transcripts. === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 02 Oct 00:30: ubuntu-pa LoCo Team | 02 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 02 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 02 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 03 Oct 12:00: MOTU Team | 06 Oct 04:00: Arizona LoCo IRC === chuck_ is now known as zul === philwyett_ is now known as philwyett === sladen is now known as vorlon === vorlon is now known as sladen === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach === Ng_ is now known as Ng === kev__ is now known as kevjava === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux === vorian is now known as stevie === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunders1ruck is now known as gnomefreak === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak === asac_ is now known as asac [17:57] Hello everybody :) [17:58] hey [18:00] * pedro_ waves [18:01] hi! [18:01] * ogasawara waves [18:02] hey [18:02] hi [18:02] #startmeeting [18:02] Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is heno. [18:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [18:02] agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings [18:03] Beta testing is of course the big topic today [18:04] I've nearly completed Xubuntu [18:04] everyone has done a great job testing since images started appearing yesterday [18:04] bad news is ... we may get new desktop CDs still [18:05] thanks ara for finding bug 276657 :) [18:05] Launchpad bug 276657 in ubiquity "Main menu is still in English after installation from LiveCD" [Critical,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276657 [18:05] it's apparently non-trivial to recover if we ship that on the beta CDs [18:06] We may know by the end of the meeting [18:06] Ah it's okay just means ara needs to test them all ;) [18:06] meanwhile let's move to: [18:06] [TOPIC] Regression bug triage [18:06] New Topic: Regression bug triage [18:06] the triage team have looked at these [18:07] and there is at least one worrying bug, the repeat suspend bug [18:07] bug 261084 [18:07] Launchpad bug 261084 in gnome-power-manager "Suspends again right after resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261084 [18:08] bdmurray: do you want to talk about that, or raise other bugs? [18:08] heno: I think it would be good if another person could test bug 261084 just to confirm my findings [18:09] I looked through upstream bug trackers and didn't see anything similar [18:10] yes, an impact assessment would be good here, to figure out how many machines it affects [18:11] bdmurray: I could try that [18:11] bdmurray: i need to install the updates first, though [18:11] it seems too late for beta though if there is no fix in sight yet [18:11] ara: that'd be great, let me know if you need any help [18:11] bryce: around? could you look at bug 261084 ? [18:11] Launchpad bug 261084 in gnome-power-manager "Suspends again right after resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/261084 [18:11] ted seemed to have an idea about what change might have done it [18:12] ted suggests it may be X repeating the keystroke [18:12] I got ubuntu still I can install it on my intel machine [18:12] heno, ok [18:12] right, when I spoke to him last he didn't think so [18:12] ok [18:12] It's possible to recreate it with a Live CD, so no install would be necessary [18:13] still, more eyeballs on it doesn't hurt [18:13] I can test it in a little while, but I've got something else on my plate at the moment. [18:13] heno: it's probably more likely acpi than X; X tends to be less involved in hotkey handling than before [18:14] bryce: ok, thanks [18:14] schwuk: do you think we could test this on the laptops in Montreal? [18:15] install intrepid and then go around manually suspending a bunch of them [18:15] bryce: we should probably document that due to the fglrx, more ati users will likely be using -ati and as such may see regressions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview [18:16] heno: we should be able to, but - as you say - it would be manual [18:17] sbeattie: I'd agree - did you want to put in an initial draft of something? I'd be happy to flesh it out. [18:17] schwuk: right, but it would be a one-time fact-finding mission [18:17] to find the scope of it [18:18] bryce: sure. [18:18] schwuk: are you able to kick off the relevant installs? [18:18] heno: would it change releasing the beta? [18:18] heno, I'll update the bug. [18:18] [ACTION] sbeattie to put an initial draft of fglrx/-ati issue on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview [18:18] * sbeattie sighs at mootbot. [18:19] bdmurray: my view would be no, but the release team decides [18:19] it can be fixed with an update once the problem is found [18:20] bdmurray: I'd of said no but put it in the release text [18:20] while the lang-pack problem has more subtle package management implications apparently [18:20] heno: I've tried connecting to montreal directly since re-installing this laptop, so probably not. [18:21] I'll give it a go though. [18:22] schwuk: ok, please look into what's needed - we can talk after the meeting about whether we actually want to do it [18:22] perhaps we should instead devise a more general suspend-resume testing day on those machine next week [18:24] could add it to the testing day [18:24] so to continue the regression topic [18:24] were there any other notable items that turned up? [18:25] bug 271550 is still unfixed, but I saw \sh mention something about it in #ubuntu-devel [18:25] Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 [18:26] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/275882 [18:26] Launchpad bug 275882 in ubuntu "Intrepid: Xubuntu doesn't play audio cd's" [Undecided,New] [18:26] I find it a bit slow going through the regression- ubgs [18:27] yes it wasn't clear to me that his upload was to fix bug 271550 [18:27] Launchpad bug 271550 in ia32-libs "ia32-libs missing libQtDBus, others?" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/271550 [18:27] it's not marked fixed for Ubuntu, just Debian [18:28] bdmurray: me too. Do you have any ideas for making it better? Would it help to have the description available? [18:28] is that just pending the upload perhaps? [18:30] "09:22 < \sh> can someone let ia32-libs*ubuntu15 go through the buildds pls?" [18:30] From #ubuntu-devel this morning so I think so [18:31] in fact the changelog claims 2.2ubuntu14 fixes it, ok [18:31] sbeattie: not so much the report I think but the time it takes to review the bugs [18:32] bdmurray: what can we do to help the regression triage along? can we ask the dev teams to lend a hand for their packages? [18:32] sbeattie: would it be possible to sort each package by status and importance [18:33] heno: perhaps asking bug control to help out [18:33] sbeattie: maybe a reviewed checkbox, I think harvest has one, would help [18:33] ogasawara: within each package? Yeah, right now I'm just sorting by bug number as a secondary sort item. [18:34] bdmurray: will you ask bug control? ogasawara: perhaps you can ask someone on the kernel team to look as well, I guess quite a few of these were kernel [18:34] sbeattie: yup, within each package [18:35] (unless those are already well-triaged) [18:35] heno: yes there are quite a few kernel ones, but many are in an incomplete state waiting for feedback [18:35] ok [18:36] heno: I'll send a mail today [18:36] let's review it again at the next meeting [18:36] thanks bdmurray [18:36] [TOPIC] Testing day next Monday [18:36] New Topic: Testing day next Monday [18:37] we are having our next testing day on Monday and we would focus on distribution upgrades [18:37] ara will lead a testing day focusing on upgrades and update-manager automation [18:37] :) [18:38] if there are people willing to upgrade their systems, now that we reach the beta, it is a good opportunity to get some feedback [18:39] we can ask people to try the system->VM script for multiple upgrade trials [18:39] schwuk: you had played with that aslso right? [18:40] schwuk: can you be around Monday to help people with that? [18:40] heno: I haven't heard about that script, can you point to some doc? [18:41] heno: I can, but if you recall my experience wasn't completely successful. I shall work with again before then. [18:41] schwuk: so you can be there to warn people [18:41] :) [18:42] I was actually mvo's first pre-alpha tester [18:43] but I'm sure it's not broken any systems since then ;) [18:43] I can't find a link just now [18:43] ara (and anyone else who's interested): https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-August/026017.html [18:43] heno: np [18:43] schwuk: do you know? [18:43] thanks [18:45] anyway, testing day will be great fun! :) [18:45] moving on ... [18:45] [TOPIC] Adding/Removing tracker test cases [18:45] New Topic: Adding/Removing tracker test cases [18:45] we have a few requests listed here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ [18:46] I think we should also prune the case list a bit [18:46] isn't the free software only for live cd too? [18:47] - winfoss from edubutnu [18:47] Edubuntu upgrade, for example, seems less important when there was no direct install in hardy [18:47] I'd rather do an overloaded install + upgrade test [18:47] liw and I did some of that for Hardy [18:48] ara, schwuk can you two coordinate that this time [18:48] weekly tests starting next week would be good [18:49] by that I mean upgrading a large install, with 5-10000 packages [18:49] davmor2: free software is different from winfoss, it doesn't include stuff from multiverse. [18:49] but it's a regular install otherwise. [18:49] heno, schwuk: sure [18:49] heno, ara: likewise :) [18:50] any other tests people think we should prune? [18:50] you can select the option on the live cd, but it doesn't appear to do anything. [18:51] you could ask about xubuntu upgrades [18:51] sbeattie: as in nothing at all happens or no different from normal? [18:51] no different from normal [18:51] ok [18:52] sbeattie: I know that :) Edubuntu currently has winfoss on it rather than umenu and wubi. [18:52] davmor2: esp. if we include xfce stuff in the large upgrade install [18:52] davmor2: agreed, that test should be removed too [18:53] ok, we'll add those to the list for removal [18:53] any other topics? [18:53] (no news on new desktop images yet, btw) [18:53] do we need to re-test desktop [18:54] testing suspend now [18:55] davmor2: we may need to - don't know yet [18:55] ok, thanks everyone! [18:56] happy testing and triage! [18:56] cheers! [18:56] #endmeeting [18:56] Meeting finished at 12:56. === tuxlinux_ is now known as tuxlinux === nxvl_ is now known as nxvl === mvo_ is now known as mvo === txwikinger1 is now known as txwikinger === Adri2000_ is now known as Adri2000