[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: i want to learn more about your kvm/raid/segfault problem
[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: i'm trying to reproduce it and i cannot
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm  - I'll post my libvirt configuration
[00:01] <kirkland> Ergo^: you want to run those on startup, or on shutdown?
[00:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: it may help you debug it
[00:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: thanks
[00:02] <Ergo^> kirkland: i need on startup
[00:02] <kirkland> mathiaz: i have two minor patches, one for landscape-client, and one for update-motd looking for a sponsor
[00:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm also running on a hardy host with an amd processor
[00:02] <kirkland> Ergo^: /etc/rc.local is one option
[00:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - is this some kind of tradeoff ?? ;)
[00:02]  * kirkland wheels and deals :-)
[00:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: you fix my kvm bug and I sponsor your diffs ?? :D
[00:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: will code for uploads
[00:03] <kirkland> :-)
[00:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: lol
[00:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: serious, i want to fix that kvm segfault
[00:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: you should put that as your blog tag line
[00:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: it's been a few days since I saw it
[00:03] <kirkland> mathiaz: :-)
[00:04] <kirkland> mathiaz: qcow, and qcow2 image files are working fine for me now
[00:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: and so is the bootable flag
[00:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52642/
[00:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: is your kvm host machine intrepid?
[00:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ that's my guest configuration
[00:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
[00:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: he no
[00:05] <mathiaz> kirkland: my host is running hardy
[00:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: ah
[00:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: hmm, my host is intrepid
[00:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: that's why I'd like to know if you can reproduce it on intrepid
[00:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: let me scp my img files over to hardy
[00:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - do you have a hardy host ?
[00:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: but of course
[00:07] <Ergo^> kirkland: thanks
[00:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: i've got 8 dual cores Intel and AMDs, a PPC running a variety of Ubuntu OS's :-)
[00:07] <kirkland> mathiaz: all of them but the PPC having virt technology on the chip ;-)
[00:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: he - I've got.... one laptop that doesn't have virt extension and one amd server that has virt extension..
[00:08] <kirkland> mathiaz: dude, you need a laptop with VT
[00:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: my wife's little thinkpad x61 is an awesome, small form factor laptop, with dual core intels, and VT
[00:20] <[Solars]> erm i wonder how I would do this, I want my server to be a file server, but at the same time I want it to be able stream vedio to various windows pc in the house (wireless and lan)
[00:20] <[Solars]> but also want to manage a bit torrent type service on the server remotely
[00:28] <mneptok> [Solars]: MediaTomb + BitTornado
[00:29] <[Solars]> erm never heard of either
[00:29] <mneptok> well, that's why you're wondering how to do those tasks ;)
[01:13] <[Solars]> mneptok just never heard of them so just doing som researching :P
[01:13] <mneptok> [Solars]: MediaTomb is a UPnP media server. BitTornado is a CLI torrent client.
[01:14] <[Solars]> yea reading up on mediatomb.. just don't know how spiffy my wife is on CLI stuff
[01:15] <mneptok> what does she need to do?
[01:15] <[Solars]> add torrents as she find them
[01:15] <[Solars]> perhaps a way to interface...
[01:15] <mneptok> all she'd have to do is drop the .torrent file in a directory
[01:15] <[Solars]> might just have her come tothe pc
[01:16] <mneptok> screen btlaunchmanycurses.bittornado --minport 6881 --maxport 6891 --max_upload_rate 50 /home/share/torrents
[01:17] <[Solars]> is mediatomb and bittornado multithreading?
[01:17] <mneptok> then she just has to put torrents in /home/share/torrents when she wants to download them
[01:17] <[Solars]> thats good idea
[01:18] <[Solars]> i am sure you can thottle the BT app
[01:18] <mneptok> i have one every once in a while
[01:18] <mneptok> --max_download_rate
[01:18] <[Solars]> just gotta make it nice and simple for the wife thats all
[01:19] <mneptok> have an rc script that fires off the BiTornado command at boot time. she just drops files into a folder.
[01:19] <mneptok> (and waits)
[01:19] <[Solars]> does the BT auto delete the .torrent files when completed?
[01:20] <hads> Put it in cron @reboot with screen -d -m
[01:24] <[Solars]> erm mediatomb looks like a nice interface
[01:26] <[Solars]> sould put something over on the server and test it out
[01:27] <mneptok> [Solars]: MediaTomb is a UPnP server. it's interface is that of the device accessing it.
[01:28] <[Solars]> recommended a interface?
[01:29] <mneptok> uhhh ...
[01:29] <mneptok> i think you're confused as to what a media server does. :)
[01:29] <mneptok> it HAS no interface.
[01:29] <[Solars]> nay you confused me :P
[01:29] <mneptok> i use MediaTomb. i access it with my PS3. the UI is that of the PS3.
[01:32] <[Solars]> just have to see if I can find a UPnP device :P
[01:38] <[Solars]> erm didn't realize xp had UPnP interface built in
[01:39] <mneptok> *ding*!  :)
[01:40] <[Solars]> heh just gotta figure out how to get it 'working'
[01:42]  * [Solars] ponders
[03:21] <[Solars]> mneptok you still there?
[03:21] <mneptok> nope!
[03:22]  * mneptok ducks behind the couch
[03:24] <[Solars]> heh so the only way to add media to the mediatomb is to phyically move the data there, then manually add it to the database?
[03:24] <mneptok> or move it to a network share mounted by the nedia server
[03:24] <mneptok> *media
[03:25] <[Solars]> or would it be easier just use samba?
[03:25] <mneptok> MT's config allows monitoring of locations in the filesystem for new content
[03:25] <mneptok> i'm not seeing why you want a media server, then.
[03:25] <[Solars]> hold on
[03:25] <[Solars]> lemme see if i can find a defualt location and put a file there
[03:26] <mneptok> wanting a media server, and being surprised data needs to be on the server in order to be served is a disconnect i can't parse.
[03:26] <[Solars]> heh thats not the case
[03:26] <hads> How would it serve things if they weren't available?
[03:27] <[Solars]> more like how do i add the data
[03:27] <[Solars]> and i took a break to watch fringe
[03:27] <hads> You add files via NFS/CIFS/WebDAV/etc.
[03:28] <mneptok> you look in the MediaTomb config file and determine wher it is expecting the dat store to be.
[03:28] <mneptok> *data
[03:49] <[Solars]> well i got a avi in there now to see if i can get it to stream :P
[03:53] <fearthenofear> hello
[04:03] <fearthenofear> I need help with setting up Ubuntu Server 8.04 LTS. I have installed it and now I'm trying get the network settings. How I am using this server is to put files on it and possibly use it for printing as well. It is currently connected through a router via ethernet cable and the router has wireless. I am wanting to use only within the house it is currently on and not on the internet if that is possible.
[04:09] <[Solars]> erm prolly can't help much but does your rotuer and the blinking lights on the nic card blink (e.g. using the correct cable?) (thats the extent of my help) :)
[04:10] <fearthenofear> Yes
[04:12] <fearthenofear> it shows it is connected and i did a ping on the router but forgot tell it how many times to ping the router so I had to shut the computer off which then made my router freeze up
[04:16] <kgoetz> fearthenofear: can you rephrase your problem? i'm not exactly sure what it is ...
[04:17] <mmcoffee> if you're pinging from the terminal, pressing control + c will stop it from pinging.
[04:17] <kgoetz> fearthenofear: also, there may be a print/file server task you can use
[04:17] <[Solars]> erm you could just ctrl-c and make it stop
[04:18] <fearthenofear> I will be on later tonight to get this problem figured out.
[05:24] <fearthenofear> I am having a problem trying to figure out my network settings to become a server computer that is available to the people who can connect through the wireless internet in my house. I am trying to configure the network connections so that I can transfer files to it. If possible, I would like to have a hard drive hooked up via USB.
[05:29] <fearthenofear> I am connected via ethernet cable to the router and I have put the IP address that the router gives my computer into the /etc/network/interfaces. I have pinged the router and it gets back within .5ms. I have pinged cyberciti.biz it gets back at 150ms.
[05:29] <kgoetz> fearthenofear: have you looked at the server guide?
[05:30] <fearthenofear> I have looked at many server guides online but I have not found one that gets me completely through the network connections part.
[05:30] <kgoetz> !serverguide
[05:30] <kgoetz> that one
[05:43] <mmcoffee> How would I go about uploading a guide to the server guide?
[07:48] <kraut> moin
[07:50] <kaushal> hi
[07:50] <kaushal> I have compiled tomcat from src
[07:51] <kaushal> on ubuntu 8.04
[07:51] <kaushal> I have created the start/stop script
[07:51] <kaushal> http://rafb.net/p/zDUeNP46.html
[07:53] <kgoetz> and?
[07:55] <kaushal> kgoetz, is there start/stop script for tomcat which is build from src from http://tomcat.apache.org/download-55.cgi
[07:55] <kgoetz> kaushal: and would you like a gold star? or are you telling us for some other reason?
[07:56] <michazoet> hi to all
[07:56] <kaushal> shutdown.sh and startup.sh
[07:56] <kaushal> I want to run it from /etc/init.d/
[07:56] <michazoet> is there someone with OpenLDAP knowledge around?
[07:56] <kaushal> michazoet, #openldap
[07:56] <Koon> kaushal: the one shipped with tomcat 5.5 packages doesn't work for you ?
[07:57] <kgoetz> !anyone | michazoet
[07:57] <michazoet> kaushal: thx
[07:57] <kaushal> Koon, the binary does not work for me
[07:57] <kaushal> the catalina.out files does not get logged
[07:58] <kaushal> so I have downloaded from src
[07:58] <Koon> kaushal: did you try the workarounds ?
[07:58] <kaushal> it works fine with out any issue
[07:58] <kaushal> Koon, yes
[07:59] <Koon> kaushal: I think the problem comes more from the init script (the way it uses jsvc to drop privileges and the way it chooses its JVM) than from the binary
[07:59] <kgoetz> kaushal: you should file a bug, if you can still provide any info
[07:59] <Koon> kaushal: so copying the one from tomcat5.5 package probably won't work
[08:01] <Koon> kaushal: In my setup everything gets logged properly.
[08:01] <kaushal> Koon, ok
[08:01] <Koon> kaushal: However i'm using openjdk and a modified init script
[08:02] <kaushal> Koon, I have this init script http://rafb.net/p/zDUeNP46.html
[08:02] <Koon> kaushal: is /var/lib/apache-tomcat-5.5.27/bin/setenv.sh set up properly ?
[08:02] <Koon> also with this init script you will run tomcat as root
[08:03] <Koon> i'd prefer fixing why the packaged tomcat5.5 doesn't work for you rather than debugging your own init script
[08:03] <Koon> my fix to your logging issue :
[08:03] <Koon> install openjdk-6-jre
[08:04] <Koon> then...
[08:04] <Koon> (let me fetch that diff)
[08:06] <Koon> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/52747/
[08:06] <Koon> this is the fix that is in a pending tomcat5.5 sru
[08:07] <Koon> note that installing sun-java6-jdk should also work
[08:07] <Koon> without even modifying the initscript
[08:07] <Koon> and that's where I've a doubt with your config
[08:08] <kaushal> Koon, do you want my config
[08:08] <Koon> since you said yesterday you were using sun's JVM... and the logging issue is (afaict) gcj+security manager related
[08:09] <Koon> kaushal: I could use your /etc/default/tomcat5.5 contents, yes
[08:11] <kaushal> Koon, which config you are looking fot
[08:11] <kaushal> for*
[08:11] <kaushal> is it server.xml
[08:12] <Koon> kaushal: no, I'm assuming you're trying to get some logging on a default install, without server.xml customizations ?
[08:12] <kaushal> yeah
[08:14] <Koon> kaushal: for me doing "sudo apt-get purge tomcat5.5 && sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jdk && sudo apt-get install tomcat5.5" will result in an installation of tomcat5.5 that does log properly
[08:14] <Koon> without any post-install configuration
[08:17]  * Koon confirms by testing in parallel on a hardy VM
[08:22] <kaushal> ok
[08:23] <Koon> kaushal: i confirm that creates logs in /var/log/tomcat5.5, however due to some jsvc restrictions they are only readable by root
[08:24] <Koon> $ sudo tail -n1 /var/log/tomcat5.5/catalina.2008-10-01.log
[08:24] <Koon> INFO: Server startup in 694 ms
[08:24] <kaushal> Koon, agreed
[08:24] <Koon> kaushal: you mean you can get some logging now ?
[08:24] <kaushal> but when i run my application it does not get logged
[08:24] <kaushal> :(
[08:24] <Koon> ah.
[08:25] <Koon> kaushal: that's a different issue :)
[08:25] <kaushal> so when i compiled from src it gets logged
[08:25] <kaushal> here in /var/lib/apache-tomcat-5.5.27
[08:25] <Koon> one that probably comes from the security manager
[08:26] <Koon> please add TOMCAT5_SECURITY=no at the end of your /etc/default/tomcat5.5 file
[08:26] <kaushal> i did that already
[08:27] <Koon> and restarting tomcat you still don't have application logging ?
[08:27] <kaushal> yes
[08:27] <Koon> kaushal: then you need some tweaking of /etc/tomcat5.5/logging.properties
[08:28] <kaushal> ok
[08:28] <Koon> the juli logmanager is enabled by default in /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5
[08:29] <Koon> and it is a little picky with his friends
[08:29]  * Koon tries something
[08:32] <Koon> kaushal: the way /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 is written, it will use the juli logmanager (configured in logging.properties) and redirect the catalina.out to syslog
[08:33] <Koon> you should have a look there to see if your messages show, and/or reconfigure logging.properties to add your application
[08:33] <Koon> kaushal: let me know how it goes
[08:44] <kaushal> Koon, ok
[08:44] <kaushal> I dont see anything in the syslog
[08:44] <kaushal> so how can i configure it to use catalina.out file
[08:45] <kaushal> I mean using logging.properties
[08:46] <Koon> logging.properties will let you define specific files for each application
[08:46]  * Koon tests
[08:50] <Koon> see http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/logging.html for configuration of logging.properties
[09:22] <mindspin> Hi, I'm not sure if it is a server question, but I cannot reach several websites. client and router/server is hardy
[09:22] <mindspin> name resolution works
[09:22] <mindspin> when I have a look with wireshark, I can see, the webserver is sending RST
[09:23] <mindspin> whenever I start the request, the router is sending an ARP request for the IP of the client machine, is this ok?
[09:24] <mindspin> the win machine in the LAN can acces those websites fine
[09:24] <mindspin> it is a real weird problem
[09:42] <normanm> mindspin: you talk about websites in the internet or the local lan ?
[09:42] <mindspin> internet
[09:44] <mindspin> normanm: internet
[09:46] <normanm> mindspin: maybe mtu issue ?
[09:46] <mindspin> I scwitched up and down, but got no success
[09:48] <normanm> what kind of router it is ?
[09:48] <mindspin> pc hardy
[09:49] <normanm> so yu do masquerading via iptables ?
[09:50] <mindspin> yes
[09:51] <kaushal> hi
[09:51] <kaushal> I am facing this error http://rafb.net/p/GiUuLb55.html
[09:52] <normanm> mindspin: have you tried to use --clamp-mss-to-pmtu ?
[09:53] <normanm> mindspin: man iptables ;-)
[09:53] <mindspin> ;-) dunno, I did it with fwbuilder but I'll have a look into the script
[09:55] <mindspin> no "clamp" in the script
[09:56] <normanm> mindspin: I have no idea howto set it in fwbuilder .. I just use iptables written by hand
[09:56] <mindspin> I'll check it
[09:58] <mindspin> found it
[09:59] <mindspin> works
[09:59] <mindspin> many thanks mate well done
[09:59] <normanm> ;-) np
[10:00] <mindspin> bye
[10:00] <mindspin> Got another question
[10:01] <normanm> mindspin: go for it
[10:01] <mindspin> I#d like to add the "Time" modul to iptables, but it is not supported in hardy, should I act by hand or will the 8.10 release include it?
[10:02] <mindspin> I desperately need to restrict the online time of my son and therefor it would be handy to do it with iptables
[10:03] <normanm> mindspin: why not use squid =?
[10:04] <mindspin> Squid is too much work now, I have no time yet to play around with squid
[10:05] <mindspin> the "worktime" way would be handy right now
[11:05] <stka> hi
[11:07] <stka> how can I use SWAT for configuration of the samba Server without giving the root-account a password
[11:08] <slangasek> you can't; this is but one of the weaknesses of SWAT's design
[11:09] <stka> :-(
[11:13] <stka> slangasek: I just found a solution. 1.) chgrp admin smb.conf  2.) chmod g+w smb.conf
[11:13] <slangasek> hmm, ok, I guess that's an option
[11:13] <slangasek> at least, I can't think of any reason off the top of my head why it should explode :)
[11:17] <stka> with Linux there is allways a solution ;-)
[11:30] <kaushal> Koon, yt ?
[12:42] <Koon> kaushal: yep
[12:43] <kaushal> Koon, my bash script works fine
[12:43] <kaushal> I want to implement status in my bash script
[12:44] <kaushal> can you please give me some examples
[12:44] <Koon> kaushal: maybe something like https://wiki.ubuntu.com/InitScriptStatusActions would help
[12:51] <kaushal> Koon, http://rafb.net/p/hAXSQM49.html
[12:52] <Koon> kaushal: status is difficult with java servers because you can't just grep for "java", so you need to get a pidfile, which is difficult if you don't use jsvc
[12:54] <Koon> kaushal: that's one of the reasons behind the use of jsvc in the official script. It sucks in many ways (especially its default umask) but it is more initscript-friendly
[12:54] <Koon> kaushal: so i don't really have a simple solution for you
[12:55] <kaushal> :(
[12:55] <Koon> kaushal: one way would be to write a tomcat-status script that really contacts tomcat on a control port to certify that it is running
[14:01] <osac> installed denyhosts the other day cos of attacks started within 10mins since opened firewall
[14:02] <osac> so what about other services ..mail,ftp apache
[14:02] <osac> will be constantly under some sort of attack ..how u solve prob like that
[14:04] <normanm> osac: you can use mod_security or something like that (HTTP/HTTPS)
[14:06] <osac> normanm: will look into that one, thx
[14:07] <normanm> np
[14:10] <osac> finaly decided to rent virtual server and now I'am all into security .p
[14:10] <osac> dont want to get rooted 5mins after going live
[15:43] <mynameistux> hey, I have a particurlaly n00by question about SAMBA. I havn't set up my server yet, and I am not sure if SAMBA is the tool I am looking for
[15:44] <mynameistux> with SAMBA, can I share stuff (between windows and ubuntu) that remains on the harddrive of the computer it is being shared from, and have some things on the samba server's hdd, that can be accessed as well?
[15:44] <mynameistux> also, what kind of configuration needs to be done to a windows pc, so that it can access my SAMBA shares?
[15:46] <mynameistux> any help would be much appreciated
[15:53] <didrocks> jdstrand: around? Did you have the time to look at my patch? :)
[15:54] <jdstrand> didrocks: not yet, I was chasing down buildd issues for various updates
[15:55] <didrocks> jdstrand: good luck for resolving them :)
[15:55] <jdstrand> thanks, I think my part is mostly done now
[16:35] <jdstrand> didrocks: would it be possible for you to test your patch against ufw 0.23 (in bzr)? if not, I understand and I can do it when I have a bit more time
[16:37] <didrocks> jdstrand: no pb. It can wait for a couple of day because I am very busy with ubuntu-fr these days, but I can merge with your last trunk version :)
[16:37] <jdstrand> didrocks: that would be a huge help, thanks :)
[16:38] <didrocks> jdstrand: you are welcome. Did you add some tests cases for 0.23?
[16:38] <didrocks> (that is the time consuming part, as adding one line car change every numbers in the result test files)
[16:38] <jdstrand> didrocks: I did. not too many new ones, but there were some changes in command output to fix confusing output, which affected results files
[16:39] <jdstrand> didrocks: your results will hopefully not need tweaking, just adding to the end of 0.23 tests
[16:39] <didrocks> jdstrand: ok, will have a look into this and keep you in touch :)
[16:39] <didrocks> jdstrand: I cross my fingers ^^
[16:41] <mynameistux> *realises that problem probably wont be solved tonight*
[18:42] <LiENUS> does the latest ubuntu have xen support?
[19:19] <psufan> anyone know if /var/log/secure was replaced yrs ago and I didn't get the memo or do I have a real situation here
[19:20] <psufan> it's missing on 2 ubuntu server boxes
[19:20] <kirkland> kees: i'm not able to reproduce https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/virt-manager/+bug/198967 on intrepid
[19:21] <kirkland> kees: i'm going to mark it "Fix Released", unless you have time to re-test it right quick
[19:23] <kaushal> hi
[19:24] <kaushal> I am faced with the error on dmesg
[19:24] <kaushal> http://rafb.net/p/ZXAQDV26.html
[19:24] <kaushal> I am running 2.6.24-19-server
[19:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok - it seems that the raw file format doesn't trigger a kvm crash when creating a RAID array
[19:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: only qcow2 files make kvm crash
[19:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: and that's with a Hardy host
[19:30] <mathiaz> kirkland: yes
I have more people downloading 7.10 than 8.04 ISOs in my torrent tracker</random>
[19:38] <sommer> maybe it's for historical purposes :)
[19:39] <henkjan> off by one
[19:39] <henkjan> they want 8.10
[19:56] <mathiaz> kirkland: I've been playing wit the degraded boot option. During install, I set it to yes. I've rebooted once and shutdown the guest. Then I've removed one of the kvm drive.
[19:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: On the first reboot, the system boot as expected. I then run dpkg-reconfigure mdadm and set the system to not boot from a degraded array.
[19:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: on the second reboot, the system *still* boots
[19:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: correct
[19:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: well - I've got a degraded array and I've set the system to not boot from a degraded array.
[19:57] <kirkland> mathiaz: because "degraded" is now the expected state of your array
[19:57] <mathiaz> kirkland: but it still boots ...
[19:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: kees and I have talked extensively about this one
[19:58] <mathiaz> kirkland: ok then.
[19:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: once you've booted your array "degraded", that is the expected state of your array
[19:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: what you should do is re-add the second disk
[19:58] <kirkland> mathiaz: wait for it to resync
[19:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: which you can monitor with `watch -n1 cat /proc/mdstat`
[19:59] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - so this option is more if the state of your array has changed wrt the previous boot, then you boot or not
[19:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: do your dpkg-reconfigure ... set to NOT boot on degraded
[19:59] <kirkland> mathiaz: right
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: remove a disk
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: reboot
[20:00] <kirkland> bye bye kornbluth
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: it should wait 30 seconds
[20:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: okidoki - I'll play with this a bit more
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: and then prompt
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: k
[20:00] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - I saw a delay on the first reboot with a degraded array
[20:00] <kirkland> mathiaz: i tried to word the debconf dialog very carefully
[20:01] <kirkland> mathiaz: i *think* the words i used was "if your raid _becomes_ degraded ..."
[20:01] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - I'm not sure about one of the sentence though
[20:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: the last sentence
[20:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52943/
[20:03] <mathiaz> kirkland: I would put the emphasis on the fact that enabling this option will make the system boot unattended.
[20:05] <kirkland> mathiaz: what wording do you suggest?
[20:05]  * mathiaz thinks
[20:05] <kees> "Unexpected RAID inconsistency" ?
[20:05] <LiENUS> uh oh
[20:05] <kaushal> CFI: Found no ck804xrom @ffc80000 device at location zero
[20:05] <kaushal> its getting hanged
[20:05] <kaushal> really really annoying
[20:05] <LiENUS> your raid aray is refargling the ten4
[20:06] <mathiaz> kirkland: the issue is not that you should not boot from a degraded array, it's more that we're not sure of the state of the array and we may boot a system that is inconsistent.
[20:06] <mathiaz> at least that's what I recall as being the reason for not booting at all.
[20:06] <kirkland> mathiaz: my concern would be booting a system that's unprotected
[20:07] <LiENUS> is xen considered stable with ubuntu server?
[20:07] <mathiaz> kirkland: hm - that's a valid concern but I don't thing it's the main issue in that case
[20:08] <nxvl_> sommer: ping
[20:08] <mathiaz> kirkland: the main issue is that we may boot an array that has the wrong drive in it (due to bad timing detection of the drives or something similar)
[20:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[20:09] <mathiaz> kirkland: I'm still thinking about the wording
[20:09] <kirkland> mathiaz: and you'd like to express that in the debconf dialog?
[20:11] <mathiaz> kirkland: the impression I've got from reading the message is that I will enable to boot from a degraded array no matter what as the reason I'm using a RAID array is to protect from hardware failures.
[20:13] <sommer> nxvl_: yo
[20:13] <nxvl_> sommer: just replied to your e-mail
[20:13] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay....
[20:13] <sommer> nxvl_: awesome, thanks man
[20:13]  * kirkland is still trying to figure out where mathiaz is going with this
[20:13] <nxvl_> sommer: http://flickr.com/photos/nxvl/2508022363/in/set-72157605156928350/
[20:14] <sommer> nxvl_: heh
[20:14] <sommer> good stuff
[20:14] <nxvl_> yeah
[20:14] <mathiaz> kirkland: what about something along these lines: However if you don't have access to the server console to fix the system from the recovery shell and want to force the system to boot in the event of a degraded array, you might answer yes to this question.
[20:15]  * nxvl_ still remember the waitress
[20:16] <kirkland> mathiaz: i tried to be as brief as possible to keep everything within a 80x24 screen
[20:16] <sommer> nxvl: lol, easy killer
[20:16] <nxvl> :D
[20:16]  * sommer goes back to work with a sigh
[20:17] <nxvl> sommer: are you planning on atending on December?
[20:17] <mathiaz> kirkland: right
[20:17] <sommer> nxvl: yeppers
[20:17] <nxvl> \o/
[20:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: pastebin the full text you're thinking of
[20:17] <nxvl> more beers for deserv
[20:18] <nxvl> i'm already thinking on the new UDS and i still remember the last one as if were last week
[20:18] <sommer> heh, have to see how it goes :)
[20:18] <nxvl> i hope that howard goes to, he live in the area
[20:21] <mathiaz> kirkland: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52948/
[20:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: s/force/enable/
[20:24] <mathiaz> kirkland: right.
[20:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/52951/
[20:24]  * kirkland counters with ^
[20:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: I'm fine with the verbage, if you want to upload a change to mdadm
[20:25] <mathiaz> kirkland: My point is that I found that the last sentence in the current version is to generic and may lead sysadmin to not totaly think through what it means to enable this option.
[20:26] <mathiaz> kirkland: that's why I've tried to narrow down the situation where you'd enable this option
[20:26] <kirkland> mathiaz: okay
[20:27] <mathiaz> kirkland: the default is yes though.
[20:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: a very, very vocal majority on the wiki and LP bugs insist that if they're installing RAID, they want boot fault tolerance
[20:29] <kirkland> mathiaz: but note that the priority is such that in the installer, if your /boot or / is on RAID, you WILL see the prompt
[20:29] <mathiaz> kirkland: right - I think that's ok.
[20:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: i probably would have left it "no" if it were not presented to RAID users at all
[20:30] <kirkland> mathiaz: for consistency with previous Ubuntu releases
[20:30] <psufan> was /var/log/secure replaced with something?
[20:34] <kirkland> psufan: i don't ever remember a /var/log/secure on Ubuntu ....  you might be looking for /var/log/auth ?
[20:35] <psufan> could be
[20:35] <psufan> it was before ubuntu that I last looked at that file ;)
[20:35] <psufan> I just wanted to confirm it wasn't deleted
[20:36] <kirkland> psufan: yeah, i just checked a fedora machine, and auth =~ secure
[20:36] <kees> kirkland: sorry, I got a bit lost in the raid discussion -- what are the installed (and upgrade) defaults for boot-degraded?
[20:37] <psufan> thx
[20:38] <kirkland> kees: on installation, there's a screen added to the end of partitioning that will force the user to select YES/NO with the degraded raid debconf prompt
[20:38] <kirkland> kees: YES is highlighted, but as i said, it is a conscious choice
[20:39]  * kees nods
[20:39] <kirkland> kees: i don't actually know about the upgrade behavior
[20:39] <kirkland> kees: i'll add that to my todo list to test
[20:39] <kirkland> kees: the debconf question is actually in the mdadm udeb
[20:39] <kees> kirkland: it's really important that upgrade behavior defaults to "no", otherwise the people that want "no" will freak out.  :)
[20:39] <kirkland> kees: yeah, i think you're probably right
[20:40] <kees> I have no problem with the visually prompted default to highlight "yes", but the unattended or upgrade path should choose "no".
[20:40] <kirkland> kees: i think it might be undefined, actually, in that it's the mdadm udeb that has the debconf question
[20:40] <kees> that may take some detecting of the debconf prompting level, etc.
[20:40] <kirkland> kees: okay, i'll test
[20:40] <kees> kirkland: sweet, thanks muchly (as a person wanting the "no" behavior)
[20:40] <kirkland> kees: i hear ya ;-)
[20:41] <kirkland> kees: i want to put all the most vocal people on this topic in a cage match to the death :-)
[20:41] <kirkland> kees: and sell tickets
[20:42] <kees> kirkland: heheh.  it really gets down the fundamentally one side trusting drives and md vs not.
[20:43] <kees> if you don't trust the drive ordering and/or md doing the right thing, you want to manually boot.  it can be argued that this is a very paranoid stance.  :)
[20:43] <kirkland> kees: I'm installing a hardy raid guest now
[20:49] <ivoks> ScottK: i will :)
[21:10] <FFEMTcJ> has anyone reciently downloaded and burned to a cd 8.04 server? ive tried many times and i keep getting an integrity test failed on the same file... ./dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[21:11] <ScottK> ivoks: Thanks.
[21:12] <ivoks> np
[22:04] <trashguy> I love my city
[22:04] <trashguy> http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/adg/836109998.html
[22:04] <nxvl> emgent: ping
[22:04] <trashguy> woop
[22:04] <trashguy> wrong room
[22:19] <trashguy> Anyone  run zimbra here?
[22:20] <ivoks> i do/did, but i didn't like it
[22:21] <trashguy> well
[22:22] <trashguy> i rather run it then exchange
[22:22] <trashguy> and form what ive done with it so far its pretty much an exchange alternative
[22:22] <trashguy> outlook doesn't even notice
[22:23] <trashguy> need to find someone who ran it on a SAN
[22:23] <trashguy> with mutiple Mailbox servers and MTAS etc
[23:07] <emgent> nxvl: half pong
[23:10] <emgent> nxvl: i go to sleep, feel free to mail me, night :)
[23:28] <osac> anyone running honeyd in vmware with dhcp ?
[23:29] <lukehasnoname> Suggestion: Make video casts of the virtualization process with a fresh ubuntu install and KVM