[03:09] <edubuntufan> Hello, are many users on?
[03:11] <edubuntufan> Hi..does anyone have a tutorial on getting old iMacs to boot off of the LTSP?
[03:18] <edubuntufan> hi all
[03:18] <edubuntufan> not very active tonight?
[10:29] <kaingeo> My Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP installation is freezing (screen freezes but mouse moving) is it normal from time to time?
[10:30] <kaingeo> The kernel message is: [ 1454.088037] NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth1: transmit timed out
[13:29] <amanulla> hiiiiii
[13:29] <amanulla>  is there any usb version for ubuntu with in 500 mb
[15:51] <Shindig> Anyone have any experience in a large scale edubuntu desktop deployment.. I am currently looking to deploy a few hundered in the school district to start
[15:52] <sbalneav> Shindig: I don't deploy edubuntu itself, but I do deploy Ubuntu + ltsp for 185 desktops.
[15:56] <Shindig> sbalneav: what is the best way to manage that many machines.. i need to lock them down and not give kids access to everything?
[15:56] <sbalneav> Are you planning on deploying full desktops, or thin clients?
[15:56] <Shindig> Full desktops
[15:57] <Shindig> i am a mix of apple, windows and hopefull soon linux...with AD and apples OD
[15:58] <Shindig> try to use most of are window machines that will not run vista and putting Linux on them
[15:58] <Shindig> New machine are Apple now a days
[15:58] <sbalneav> Well, simplest will be to use a mixture of Sabayon and some gconf trickery to bolt down the desktops
[15:59] <Shindig> anyways the over all Goal is to get out of the Microsoft school agreemnet
[15:59] <sbalneav> heh, free incentives are over, now the bill's come due? :)
[16:00] <sbalneav> Where I work, we ran into that years ago, we've been a 100% linux shop since 2001
[16:00] <Shindig> lol the cost keeps going up and truly when you are in a school argreemnet you have to pay per desktop no matter what the OS is
[16:01] <Shindig> see the las 3000 machine have all been apple that just donst fit anymore
[16:01] <sbalneav> heh
[16:02] <Shindig> but i have been playing with Sabayon and gconf but is there a way to mange it in one place for a gobal config for all desktops or does it have to be managed from each machine?
[16:03] <Shindig> I have an 11:00am meeting that i am running late for but i will be back in like 30 min
[16:03] <sbalneav> Shindig: Well, with sabayon...
[16:03] <sbalneav> ok, I'll be here when you get back.
[16:04] <Shindig> appreciate any help in advance :)  sorry lost track of time but i will brb
[16:11] <stgraber> sbalneav: hey, do you have a second to tell me how's LDM autologin working ? (or point me to some docs)
[16:12] <stgraber> I'd like to merge our own autologin with ldm's as I did for the ldm screen.d script (basically ldm-cluster calls ldm with some extra variables)
[16:13] <sbalneav> stgraber: I think it's documented fairly well in the ltsp-docs branch up on lp
[16:13] <sbalneav> It's pretty much just a case of setting LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD
[16:14] <stgraber> sbalneav: can I use login+ssh-key ?
[16:14] <sbalneav> vagratc added some fancy code to allow for a guest login button
[16:14] <sbalneav> I think so.
[16:14] <stgraber> we call a daemon that generates a temporary account then use it to login
[16:14] <sbalneav> that was something Gadi added
[17:02] <cosf> help in LTSP
[17:15] <sbalneav> cosf: What do you need?
[17:20] <sbalneav> cosf: Hello?
[17:21] <edubuntufan> hello
[17:22] <edubuntufan> anyone on right now?
[17:22] <sbalneav> Yup
[17:22] <edubuntufan> nice
[17:22] <edubuntufan> I am an educator that has a thin client lab up, has anyone heard of how we can set up old iMACS to act as etrminal machines?
[17:23] <sbalneav> The infrastructure's there in LTSP to allow for imac clients.
[17:24] <nubae> sbalneav: do u know if the lxde window manager will work in a thin client environment?
[17:24] <edubuntufan> so it is already set up to use iMacs?
[17:24] <edubuntufan> it can use the powerpc chip without more programming?
[17:25] <sbalneav> edubuntufan: You'd have to install ubuntu/edubuntu on an imac to build the chroot environment, though.
[17:26] <edubuntufan> I am using this tutorial: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup, but my server has no /etc/exports file
[17:27] <edubuntufan> even tho my edubuntu thin client lab is working, do I still need to do the first step and sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server  to get that file?
[17:28] <sbalneav> Hold on, lemme check and see if they've got ppc cd's for download...
[17:29] <edubuntufan> I already have xubuntu installed on an imac
[17:31] <sbalneav> ok, then you should be able to just install the ltsp-server-standalone packages, and do an ltsp-build-client.
[17:31] <edubuntufan> do  I install it on the imac then?
[17:31] <sbalneav> you'll have to copy in the sshkeys from the server you actually want to host the images at.
[17:31] <sbalneav> yup
[17:31] <sbalneav> because you'll have to build an image there.
[17:32] <sbalneav> you can't build the ppc image on i386 hardware :)
[17:33] <edubuntufan> brb
[17:33] <highvoltage> howdy sbalneav
[17:37] <sbalneav> hey highvoltage
[17:37] <edubuntufan> Right now I have edubuntu/ltsp on an i386 machine and xubunut/ppc-version on an imac. ON the imac I run sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-serve and then I do an ltsp-build client?  is that right?
[17:37] <sbalneav> yup
[17:38] <edubuntufan> once the client is built does following this tutorial explain what to do? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup
[17:38] <sbalneav> there'll be some more work after that, but that's good to go on
[17:38] <edubuntufan> is there an online tutorial?
[17:38] <sbalneav> yeah, that page should get you most of the way there
[17:39] <edubuntufan> do I need to install anything on my server?
[17:39] <highvoltage> sbalneav: you were(or maybe still are) working on an ltsp manual. where is that?
[17:39] <sbalneav> no, but you might need to fiddle with your dhcpd.conf file
[17:39] <highvoltage> I was looking for it a while back but couldn't find it.
[17:39] <sbalneav> highvoltage: on the docs.edubuntu.org site
[17:39] <sbalneav> 1 sec
[17:40] <sbalneav> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/
[17:40] <highvoltage> sbalneav: thanks
[17:41] <edubuntufan> yeah, the tutorial says, "Note that powerpc clients need some special options in the servers dhcp setup. " but there is no link for additional information.
[17:42] <ogra> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/dhcpd.conf
[17:42] <ogra> use that
[17:42] <edubuntufan> As I am doing this I am creaing a squidoo page/tutorial. I hope to have a location that shows schools how to set this up like me and use all types of hardware.
[17:42] <edubuntufan> our school alone has 50 iMACs from days long past.
[17:42] <edubuntufan> as well as old intel based machines.
[17:43] <edubuntufan> oo thanks ogra...that is the dhcp3-server conf file on the server, right?
[17:44] <sbalneav> ogra: Added your dhcpd.conf to the bottom of the page
[17:44] <ogra> in /etc/ltsp on the server, yes
[17:44] <ogra> sbalneav, thanks
[17:44] <edubuntufan> thank you sbalneav and ogra...
[17:45] <sbalneav> NP
[17:45] <edubuntufan> my tutorial says that before I build the powerpc that I need to edit the exports file on the server to "/opt/ltsp       *(rw,no_root_squash,async)"
[17:46] <edubuntufan> however, there is no "/etc/exports" file on the server...
[17:46] <edubuntufan> can I skip that step or even tho I my server is operational, do I need to "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server"?
[17:47] <nubae> sbalneav: did ever do that merge of changes u wanted to the ltsp manual in launchpad?
[17:49] <sbalneav> Not yet, been swamped with Hardy updates here at work.
[17:49] <sbalneav> I'll try to get to it tomorrow
[17:50] <nubae> cool, hardy bug fixes are indeed more important :-)
[17:51] <edubuntufan> Last question before I go tincker while I work, when I have built the powerpc image and configured the DHCP file, how do I get the imac to boot off of PXE?  Hold down C?
[17:51]  * ogra thinks it was n
[17:51] <ogra> but its two years ago that i touched my last ppc
[17:51] <ogra> apple+n