[00:00] <gm04030276> sudo lsmod | grep b43
[00:00] <NikLP> emm? wtf is that (also what is lsusb and lsmod??)
[00:00] <gm04030276> ok, the sudo part gives you root permissions, you can try it without it but lsmod lists the modules that are loaded in the kernel so that may need root
[00:01] <gm04030276> the | grep just searches through the output for the sting b43 which is a broadcom module :)
[00:01] <NameAlreadyInUse> i am having trouble connecting to the internet
[00:01] <NameAlreadyInUse> i am told that a network address should be acquired automatically, but I can get no connectivity at all
[00:01] <gm04030276> lsusd lists all usb devices plugged just like lspci :)
[00:02] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: wireless or wired?
[00:02] <NikLP> gm04030276: b43?
[00:02] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: wired
[00:02] <gm04030276> NikLP: yea, b43 is a broadcom module for using broadcom wireless cards...it may not be the only one though...only one ive seen though
[00:03] <NikLP> gm04030276: that command just kicks into pw then nothing :/
[00:03] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: i am connecting through a router, not directly, by the way
[00:03] <ryans> If it's a B43...
[00:03] <ryans> Becareful..
[00:04] <NikLP> no results
[00:04] <ryans> Mine freezes when I use flash.
[00:04] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: ok, i'll assume connected to a router...have you configured it to be dhcp server?
[00:04] <ryans> Tried both NDISwrapper and FWcutter.
[00:04] <NikLP> rfcomm is the nearest thing I see to *anything* related to comms vis lsmod
[00:04] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: yes, but kubuntu refuses to acquire
[00:05] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: i will set it to acquire an address automatically by dhcp, but nothing seems to happen, and the settings will not be applied the next time i open network settings
[00:05] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: cat /etc/network/interfaces and put it on pastebin
[00:05] <gm04030276> !pastebin
[00:06] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: alright, one second
[00:06] <gm04030276> !wireless
[00:06] <gm04030276> NikLP: have a look at some of that stuff?
[00:06] <NikLP> the wifi docs?
[00:07] <gm04030276> NikLP: Is your card just not showing up in KNetworkManager? It should be in the bar at the bottom on the right.
[00:08] <NikLP> OH! :)
[00:08] <gm04030276> NikLP: get it?
[00:09] <NikLP> gm04030276: looking good :) got message from kde wallet service tho?
[00:09] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: here is the paste: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53005/
[00:09] <NikLP> just enter  pw etc?
[00:09] <gm04030276> yea
[00:10] <NikLP> gm04030276: I love you :p
[00:10] <NikLP> wireless!!
[00:10] <NikLP> ping ftw, btw :p
[00:10] <gm04030276> NikLP: woow steady now! lol
[00:10]  * NikLP dances a wee jig :p
[00:10] <gm04030276> thats good :)
[00:10] <gm04030276> lol
[00:10] <NikLP> it is
[00:10] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: is that all the output?
[00:10] <gm04030276> 4 lines?
[00:10] <NikLP> never before seen...! many live cds, no wireless :)
[00:11] <NikLP> ok I'm much happier now - good video, good tinternetz. all good.
[00:11] <NikLP> now learning the os :p
[00:11] <gm04030276> :D
[00:11] <NikLP> eek
[00:11] <gm04030276> yip! first time with linux?
[00:12] <ryans> Linux can be strange at times
[00:12] <NikLP> I'm a web dev, so actually I do a lot of stuff in shell, so I'm not uncomfortable as I *could* be, but... this is scary shit.
[00:12] <gm04030276> but its really fun when you get 3 years down the line and realise your finally good enough to help other people :)
[00:12] <NikLP> "at times" - understatement of the century :p
[00:12] <ryans> I remember ye olde doswhen I was younger.
[00:12] <NikLP> yeah that's cool :) I still can help people, just not with admin :p
[00:12] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: yes that is all of it
[00:13] <NameAlreadyInUse> (sorry for delayed reply)
[00:13] <NikLP> I was *trying* to learn unix in 96 when I started building websites - the reticence of the uni meant I got taught Dos 5 for my networking module however. rather a stumbling block, imho.
[00:13] <gm04030276> earliest i remember was win 95. Was on windows until 4 years ago...then got a mac cause i was doing music technology...and then i broke it one day, started learning command line and eventually came to linux :)...but aaaaaaaanyway
[00:14] <NikLP> so technically I have been using shell for about 12-13 years :p
[00:14] <chrisruls00> does anyone in here know much about x11vnc?
[00:14] <NikLP> eep
[00:14] <ryans> Heh
[00:14] <ryans> I remember hacking my class's macintosh.
[00:14] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: ok, add the lines auto eth0 and iface eth0 inet dhcp
[00:15] <NikLP> gm04030276: so how the hell do I go about a) updating the kernel/os b) installing skype c) installing lamp d) securing lamp e) using lamp? :) :)
[00:15] <ryans> Just memorized the password my teacher typed in.
[00:15] <NikLP> f) using win equivs :p
[00:15] <tsrk> When does kubuntu 8.10 come out?
[00:15] <gm04030276> ryans: mac's are sooo easy! root shell from holding apple+s at boot! :)
[00:15] <NikLP> I hacked mac prefect once :p
[00:15] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: ah, how do i add to that? i am very new
[00:16] <Daisuke_Ido> !ot
[00:16] <NikLP> used to have to get on the mac, install this prog, hack the extension, reboot, install perl and machttp, code, then remove the apps, unhack the extension, reboot! :p
[00:16] <ryans> Mehehehe
[00:16] <NikLP> Daisuke_Ido: noted, but :p anyway ;)
[00:16] <gm04030276> NikLP: filp!! right...well i know most of it...i do alot of web stuff myself...but i like making web based systems rather than websites :) anyway..
[00:16] <ryans> I am evil homer!
[00:16]  * NikLP dances with maracas ;)
[00:16] <NikLP> ryans: quality :)
[00:17] <gm04030276> NikLP: sudo aptitude install apache2 mysql-server mysql-client php5 php5-cli php5-cgi
[00:17] <NikLP> jeeeeeeeez :p
[00:17] <NikLP> gm04030276: how about thru the gui?
[00:17] <gm04030276> NikLP: and then some other things...i normally actually do it through adept manager cause its easier to see allll the ones you want :)
[00:17] <NikLP> which is?
[00:17] <gm04030276> yea, K > System > Adept MAnager
[00:18] <NikLP> you speak deh forayn to me :p
[00:18] <chrisruls00> I'm having a problem with x11vnc, when I have multiple sessions open I can only connect to the one currently on the physical screen. I heard from somewhere you could connect to sessions that where not currently on screen, but all I get is a black screen...
[00:18] <gm04030276> NikLP: lol! it's been sooo long sincce i've done it
[00:18] <ryans> Mmm, still gotta figure out this system bug.
[00:18] <NikLP> gm04030276: bloody cli snob! ;)
[00:18] <gm04030276> NikLP: not really...i mean ages since i've installed lamp!
[00:19] <gm04030276> NikLP: though i would normally use the command line these days :)...let me have a wee look
[00:19] <NikLP> gm04030276: where ARE you exactly?
[00:20] <NikLP> gm04030276: what's a "general update" command?
[00:20] <NikLP> sudo apt-get update?
[00:20] <gm04030276> NikLP: My bedroom, town, city, NI, UK
[00:20] <gm04030276> NikLP:...um idk!
[00:20] <NikLP> idk?
[00:21] <NikLP> NI? ireland?
[00:21] <gm04030276> I don't know
[00:21] <gm04030276> yea, northern ireland
[00:21] <NikLP> someone mentioned it earlier
[00:21] <NikLP> top of the morning chief :p
[00:21] <NikLP> s/of/o\'/g :P
[00:21] <gm04030276> thats england...!
[00:21] <NikLP> I'm in nottingham you clown :p
[00:21] <gm04030276> haha!
[00:21] <gm04030276> oh right
[00:21] <NikLP> ;)
[00:21] <gm04030276> fair enough
[00:22] <NikLP> that command I put, works - but I don't know what it did :p
[00:22] <NikLP> just "reads" stuff
[00:22] <gm04030276> anyway...you will want to install libapache2-mod-php5 to get php to work with apache
[00:22] <NikLP> o rly? :P
[00:23] <NikLP> howzat then?
[00:23] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: how do i add those lines to /etc/network/interfaces, can i open it in an editor?
[00:23] <NikLP> gm04030276: you using synergy? I would really like to get that working
[00:23] <gm04030276> K menu (bottom left) -> System -> Adept Manger
[00:23] <NameAlreadyInUse> ah, ok
[00:23] <gm04030276> Nope, what is it?
[00:23] <NameAlreadyInUse> thanks
[00:24] <gm04030276> sorry NameAlreadyInUse, that was for NikLP
[00:24] <NikLP> oh sudo spt-get install synergy works :) no idea if that means I can use it now :)
[00:24] <NikLP> how the hell do I "run" it tho?
[00:24] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: You can use sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces
[00:25] <gm04030276> NikLP: oooyes i have heard of synergy...i think...if it has a mac version then yes, i attempted to use it once upon a time
[00:25] <NikLP> yeah it's total cross-os
[00:25] <NikLP> how do I run stuff I install tho? it didn't appear in the k menu at all
[00:26] <gm04030276> NikLP: emm, you could try running synergy from the command line or from alt-F2
[00:26] <NameAlreadyInUse> i am in the Adept Manager, but i can not see it listed =\
[00:26] <NikLP> tried, nada
[00:27] <gm04030276> NikLP: try here? http://www.linux.com/feature/54628
[00:27] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: pico is already installed by default
[00:28] <NikLP> ah good call, reading
[00:29] <NameAlreadyInUse> so i should search for pico? i am having trouble understanding how to find /etc/network/interfaces in the Adept Manager
[00:29] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: no i meant adept manager for niklp, you need to go to konsole and type sudo pico /etc/network/interfaces and then add those two lines.
[00:29] <duckx0r> how do you type these characters with a spanish keyboard layout in kde? \ | @ #
[00:29] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: oh right, heh, that makes it easier
[00:30] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: lol, sorry
[00:38] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: did you do that yet?
[00:38] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: yes, i have done that
[00:39] <NameAlreadyInUse> it has automatically acquired an address, but i am not sure it is right
[00:39] <gm04030276> ok, next you have to restart your networking to reload the config so in the konsole type: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[00:39] <NameAlreadyInUse> ah
[00:40] <nejode> duckx0r:AltGr+1,2,3 and upper left
[00:40] <duckx0r> what button is AltGr?
[00:41] <duckx0r> right alt?
[00:41] <NameAlreadyInUse> gm: it has reset to what it was previously
[00:41] <nejode> right to the space
[00:41] <duckx0r> ahhh perfect. thanks nejode
[00:41] <gm04030276> NAIU: back to the 4 lines?
[00:41] <NameAlreadyInUse> yup
[00:42] <gm04030276> did you try configuring it through system settings from the K menu
[00:42] <NameAlreadyInUse> yeah
[00:42] <NameAlreadyInUse> well i restarted after i made the changes at first
[00:42] <NameAlreadyInUse> and it changed, but still did not work
[00:42] <gm04030276> what is the output of ifconfig?
[00:43] <NameAlreadyInUse> quite a few lines
[00:43] <NameAlreadyInUse> there was a hardware entry before
[00:43] <gm04030276> lol
[00:43] <gm04030276> what interfaces does it mention?
[00:43] <NameAlreadyInUse> but that went after i entered the restart command
[00:43] <gm04030276> eth0?
[00:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> it doesn't now
[00:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> but it did before
[00:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> (after i made the changes to /etc/network/interfaces and restarted)
[00:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> restarted the computer, i mean
[00:45] <gm04030276> you don't need to restart the computer to reconfigure networking
[00:45] <gm04030276> but anyway
[00:45] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: why don't you paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces to take a look at it
[00:46] <NameAlreadyInUse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53005/
[00:46] <NameAlreadyInUse> that is what it is currently
[00:46] <gm04030276> it changed back to that after restarting?
[00:46] <NameAlreadyInUse> after " sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[00:47] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: you sure you saved the file after editing it?
[00:47] <gm04030276> yea, thats the only think i can think of!
[00:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> between restarting the computer and typing " sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[00:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> the changes were still there
[00:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> and the file had been saved, i did check
[00:48] <gm04030276> ok, good.
[00:48] <NameAlreadyInUse> but i might have missed something (try to imagine your first day with linux, and that is me)
[00:49] <gm04030276> flip...don't even remember that day! i remember having to sit up for a whole night and click ok for each and every fedora update! :) and sitting in college using a live disc on my little ppc mac :)
[00:49] <gm04030276> anyway
[00:49] <NameAlreadyInUse> should i add those two lines to interfaces again, and then do "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"?
[00:50] <gm04030276> yea.
[00:50] <serge> Hello, when I use the screen command, my scrollbars dissapear from the console, how would I scroll up and down?
[00:50] <gm04030276> try it again
[00:50] <Cannoli> !backtrack
[00:50] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: it should look something like this> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53015/
[00:50] <favro> serge: try shift+pageup
[00:50] <Cannoli> can someone tell me where to get help for backtrack?
[00:50] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: ah, i remove the netmask and address lines?
[00:50] <serge> shift+pageup doesn't seem to work
[00:51] <gm04030276> serge: maybe control-c ?
[00:51] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: are you in KDE?
[00:51] <serge> control c just makes the next line in bash, another blank $
[00:51] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: yes
[00:52] <favro> ctrl+c stops the running command
[00:52] <nejode> OK, let's go step-by-step
[00:52] <serge> yes but not the 'screen' command
[00:52] <nejode> 1) press Alt+F2
[00:52] <gm04030276> favro: im working on the "screen command" part that he said.
[00:53] <serge> `screen` allows you to have several virtual consoles in one, they behave in a very similar way to regular consoles.. except for the scrolling part
[00:53] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: ok, one sec
[00:54] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, yes
[00:54] <NameAlreadyInUse> that is run?
[00:54] <nejode> 2) type kdesu kate /etc/network/interfaces
[00:54] <nejode> 3) enter your password
[00:54] <gm04030276> NameAlreadyInUse: i hope nejode gets it sorted for you! I'm away to bed! tty all tomorrow! :)
[00:55] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, thanks for all the help gm
[00:55] <gm04030276> np
[00:55] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: i have edited the /etc/network/interfaces to show what you linked
[00:55] <NameAlreadyInUse> beforehand
[00:56] <nejode> ...no, type it in the run box
[00:56] <NameAlreadyInUse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53015/
[00:56] <NameAlreadyInUse> i mean that
[00:57] <NameAlreadyInUse> so that is what cat /etc/network/interfaces shows at the moment
[00:57] <nejode> do you have kate opened with the interfaces file?
[00:57] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, i will do that
[00:58] <NameAlreadyInUse> yes, done
[00:58] <nejode> you have the file opened in the kate editor
[00:58] <nejode> ??
[00:59] <NameAlreadyInUse> yup
[00:59] <nejode> erase the content and paste what I pasted in http://paste.ubuntu.com/53015/
[00:59] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, that is what i have
[01:00] <nejode> exactly?
[01:00] <NameAlreadyInUse> does it matter if there is an extra newline in the center?
[01:01] <nejode> why don't you paste your file back to me to see
[01:01] <NameAlreadyInUse> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53018/
[01:03] <NikLP> gm04030276: let me know before you crash out - synergy is installed but... not playing :
[01:03] <NikLP> :p
[01:03] <nejode> OK, now in console> sudo ifdown eth0
[01:04] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, one moment
[01:04] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, that is done
[01:05] <nejode> what was the output?
[01:08] <NameAlreadyInUse> it mentioned an old PID file with pid 6363, that has been killed and discarded
[01:08] <NameAlreadyInUse> then says: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53022/
[01:11] <nejode> now: sudo ifup eth0
[01:11] <Kage_Jittai> how do I find out which package a file belongs too?
[01:12] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: it says the same thing, but has some DHCPDISCOVER messages
[01:12] <NameAlreadyInUse> now: No DHCPOFFERS received
[01:13] <NameAlreadyInUse> "no working leases in persistent database - sleeping."
[01:13] <nejode> you sure that router is OK? that message says that there's no dhcp server working
[01:14] <NameAlreadyInUse> well, it depends on what you mean by OK
[01:14] <NameAlreadyInUse> i am using it to connect with this computer, and i have made sure it has DHCP enabled
[01:15] <NameAlreadyInUse> and the DHCP seems to work with other computers
[01:15] <nejode> let's try to figure out this... do you know the address of your router?
[01:15] <NameAlreadyInUse> 10.1.1.1
[01:15] <nejode> can you ping that address?
[01:16] <NameAlreadyInUse> no
[01:16] <NameAlreadyInUse> i get "destination host unreachable" messages
[01:17] <nejode> ok, maybe your network card isn't eth0
[01:17] <nejode> try this in konsole: dmesg | grep eth
[01:18] <NameAlreadyInUse> yes, i get maybe 10 lines with that
[01:18] <nejode> eth0 or eth1?
[01:19] <NameAlreadyInUse> eth0
[01:19] <nejode> strange... did tou try with another cable?
[01:20] <NameAlreadyInUse> there are two compatible inputs, but the other does not work
[01:20] <NameAlreadyInUse> there is nothing wrong with the cable, i have used it before and it is fine
[01:20] <NameAlreadyInUse> so i am not sure what else it could be
[01:22] <what_if> any idea when kde 4.1 will make it to kubuntu ?
[01:22] <NameAlreadyInUse> if it matters there was another computer recently hooked up to that cable
[01:23] <nejode> and what happens if you do a "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart"
[01:23] <NameAlreadyInUse> i will try now, one moment
[01:24] <BluesKaj> NameAlreadyInUse, paste the dmesg output in pastebin so we can have a look
[01:24] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[01:25] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: i get essentially the same thing as with the ifup, some DHCPDISCOVER messages and then no DHCPOFFER
[01:25] <NameAlreadyInUse> BluesKaj: the output of dmesg | grep eth?
[01:25] <BluesKaj> yes
[01:26] <NameAlreadyInUse> one moment
[01:27] <tim> I can't mount a usb hard drive on my desktop , that I can on my eeepc. What's going on?
[01:28] <BluesKaj> tim, look in system menu /storage media
[01:30] <tim> uh, I don't see a storage media in system menu, but it doesn't even appear under sudo fdisk -l so...
[01:32] <dabud> good evening all          i am having a problem with a hard drive i installed as a storage unit
[01:33] <BluesKaj> tim, not the kmenu , the system menu , it's a pc icon usually in the panel
[01:33] <dabud> i want to use it to store my music files on   but when i try to move files to it i get a  You do not have permission to do this type error
[01:33] <NameAlreadyInUse> BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53026/
[01:33] <tim> o yea that, it doesn't show up in it
[01:34] <NameAlreadyInUse> there are numbers to the left but it is difficult enough to remember as it is
[01:34] <dabud> i think i may have messed up installing it and mounting it and would like to uninstall harddrive and do it again
[01:35] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: your network card is down
[01:35] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: well that would explain it
[01:35] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: any idea on what i would have to do to fix it?
[01:36] <nejode> probably because when the kernel was booting the cable was loose
[01:36] <NameAlreadyInUse> yes, it was now that i think about it
[01:37] <nejode> I had a similar problem today installing SmoothWall router
[01:37] <NameAlreadyInUse> so what are my options?
[01:37] <nejode> and I had to reboot with the cable well pluged in
[01:38] <NameAlreadyInUse> so i should restart and make sure that the cable is well plugged in?
[01:38] <nejode> and dmesg said "eth0 link up"... everything worked fine afterwards
[01:38] <NameAlreadyInUse> i will give this a try
[01:39] <BluesKaj> NameAlreadyInUse, yes, nejode is prolly correct
[01:39] <nejode> I'll stand by to see
[01:39] <NikLP> so... adept. there are 192 possible updates - how do i initiate this?
[01:40] <javier> ahy alguien k me pueda ayudar??
[01:40] <BluesKaj> !es | javier
[01:41] <lemon_> plz say English
[01:41] <javier> ¿?
[01:41] <javier> estoy recien estrando al mundo inux
[01:42] <javier> asike no entiendo muxo de esto
[01:42] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: nope, more link down in dmesg
[01:42] <BluesKaj> NikLP, adept notifier is telling you to update if you wish , click on it
[01:42] <BluesKaj> !pt | javier
[01:42] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: i made sure it was well plugged in at both ends, so i do not think that is the issue
[01:42] <NikLP> BluesKaj: can't see anywhere appropriate to click, actually :/
[01:43] <NikLP> oh apply changes in the menu seems to be the cure :)
[01:43] <BluesKaj> the notifier in the panel
[01:43] <nejode> ...with the lik down you0ll never get a connection :-(
[01:43] <NikLP> BluesKaj: I saught the updates manually in the interface - not to worry have found it now :) thanks :)
[01:43] <BluesKaj> right NikLP
[01:43] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: but that definitely confirms that the issue has something to do with the network device?
[01:43] <NameAlreadyInUse> and not, say, the router?
[01:44] <nejode> It should be hardware related
[01:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> hmm
[01:44] <NameAlreadyInUse> does it matter that the cable was unplugged when installing?
[01:44] <nejode> you need phisical connection with the dhcp server to be able to get a lease
[01:45] <nejode> negative
[01:45] <BluesKaj> definitely HW related, NameAlreadyInUse ...check system settings /network connections and take alook
[01:45] <NameAlreadyInUse> what would i be looking for?
[01:46] <nejode> every boot, the kernel examines the hardware and loads the necesary modules
[01:46] <NameAlreadyInUse> nothing seems to be out of place in network connections
[01:46] <BluesKaj> interface IP address , network device
[01:46] <NameAlreadyInUse> although i have not got any control to compare against
[01:46] <nejode> try booting a live cd
[01:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> BluesKaj: eth0 is listed
[01:47] <nejode> if the harware is OK it should connect without problems
[01:47] <BluesKaj> IP addy ?
[01:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> ah, something strange
[01:47] <NameAlreadyInUse> hang on
[01:47] <BluesKaj> enabled ?
[01:48] <NameAlreadyInUse> yes, enabled and address is 169.254.6.235
[01:49] <nejode> that's the avahi address
[01:49] <NameAlreadyInUse> avahi?
[01:49] <BluesKaj> should be something like 192.168.2.0
[01:49] <nejode> the default address when it can't get a dhcp address
[01:49] <NikLP> avahi got news for you....
[01:50] <NameAlreadyInUse> yes, that would be right
[01:50] <NameAlreadyInUse> so all i can really do is replace the network card?
[01:50] <BluesKaj> NameAlreadyInUse, which router are you using ?
[01:50] <NameAlreadyInUse> an old Dlink
[01:51] <NikLP> ew
[01:51] <BluesKaj> trusty device ...hmm
[01:51] <NameAlreadyInUse> well it hasn't troubled me in the past :P
[01:51] <nejode> NameAlreadyInUse: man, try the LiveCD
[01:51] <BluesKaj> yeah, i'm saying it should work
[01:52] <nejode> are you plugged directly to the router or through a switch?
[01:52] <NameAlreadyInUse> it is plugged directly into the router
[01:52] <NameAlreadyInUse> i will try the live cd
[01:52] <nejode> 4 lan ports?
[01:53] <NameAlreadyInUse> yeah
[01:53] <BluesKaj> change ports :)
[01:53] <nejode> have you tried swapping ports?... rebooting the router?
[01:54] <NameAlreadyInUse> i will try rebooting the router
[01:56] <NameAlreadyInUse> ok, the router has been rebooted
[01:56] <NameAlreadyInUse> i will try the live cd
[01:56] <nejode> swap ports and check the leds
[01:59] <tim> I have a usb drive that works on one linux machine (eeepc) but not on my desktop. help?
[02:03] <nejode> tim: does your desktop "see" the device?
[02:03] <|0sts0ul> tim: Did you happen to format the usb drive with another filesystem?
[02:03] <BluesKaj> tim, it will require a password to mount it anyway
[02:03] <tim> desktop doesn't see it. its formated fat
[02:04] <nejode> type in console: lsusb (with the drive plugged)
[02:05] <NameAlreadyInUse> nejode: nope, no luck with the router reboot, live cd or swapping ports
[02:05] <nejode> ...then your network card is busted
[02:06] <NameAlreadyInUse> yeah, that must be it
[02:06] <tim> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53035/
[02:07] <tim> normally there are 4 lines
[02:07] <nejode> and realtek's 8139 chips are as universal as you can get
[02:08] <nejode> tim, no luck man, your system isn't "seeing" the drive
[02:09] <nejode> I've heard of cases where rebooting with the device plugged in did the trick
[02:09] <gizmobay> Can someone help me something has gone wrong with my system that I can't figure out?
[02:09] <gizmobay> I installed hylafax and then I tried installing avantfax
[02:09] <tim> I didn't work for this machine
[02:10] <gizmobay> avantfax came with a debian-install.sh script
[02:10] <gizmobay> I ran it and know I can't login into my computer
[02:10] <gizmobay> I get to kdm and then when I enter my pass I get dumped back to the kdm screen
[02:11] <gizmobay> I tried renaming .kde4 to kde4back and that didn't fix it
[02:11] <nejode> gizmobay: that happens sometimes when the disk is full
[02:12] <gizmobay> my disk isn't full
[02:12] <gizmobay> I ran in recovry mode and I can get into kde 3.5.9 as root
[02:14] <nejode> ...how about apt-get --purge remove kdm ... and reinstall?
[02:15] <NikLP> whassa diff between "sudo apt-get install x" and "sudo aptitude install x" ??
[02:16] <gizmobay> can't get an internet connection
[02:17] <gizmobay> ifup eth0 not working
[02:18] <|0sts0ul> gizmobay: one thing that will help you see the error is to open another virtual console (ctrl-alt-f1), login to the console, then type 'tail -f /var/log/kdm.log' then ctrl-f7 back to your kdm login and try logging in. This will show you in the console what the login error might be.
[02:18] <NikLP> ack
[02:20] <|0sts0u|> glad that ghost finally died!
[02:21] <gizmobay> okay let me try
[02:23] <x_link> Hi!
[02:23] <x_link> Somebody here gave me a link to fix my problem with the sound
[02:24] <x_link> I have a Lenovo N200 laptop.
[02:24] <x_link> But I don't remember who gave me the link and I don't remember the link,
[02:24] <gizmobay> Cannot resolve system encoding defaulting ISO ??/
[02:25] <gizmobay> module ramdac already built in
[02:26] <BluesKaj> x_link, next time someone gives you a link , bookmark it.
[02:27] <draik> Do we have a release date for Intrepid Ibex?
[02:27] <draik> !8.10
[02:28] <BluesKaj> it is october !
[02:28] <|0sts0u|> gizmobay: that one is beyond me. Seems to be a an issue dealing with nvidia cards from my quick google look.
[02:29] <draik> BluesKaj: Exact date?
[02:30] <draik> Kubuntu has the K Menu, what does Ubuntu have?
[02:30] <gizmobay> I've got internet, I'll try reinstalling kdm
[02:30] <nejode> draik: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule
[02:31] <draik> Whoa. End of the month, huh.
[02:32] <|0sts0u|> gizmobay: that may be your best bet. I am not the greatest on video driver or X issues. Maybe someone else has some input.
[02:32] <dope> please god help me get pidgin to make noise when i get a message
[02:33] <draik> dope: pull the pidgin's wings!
[02:33] <dope> don't you get smart with me, god dammit
[02:34] <dope> THIS IS A GD CRISIS!
[02:34] <dope> gd stands for god damn
[02:35] <gizmobay> reinstalled kdm didn't solve the problem
[02:36] <dope> gizmobay: it never does
[02:36] <|0sts0u|> do you run an nvidia video card?
[02:36] <gizmobay> yes
[02:36] <draik> dope: If you can't laugh at your issue, then you haven't been dealing with it for too long and sound on an IM isn't "vital"
[02:37] <|0sts0u|> gozmobay: did you happen to update the kernel recently?
[02:38] <gizmobay> no I didn't upgrade the kernel
[02:38] <gizmobay> I tried installing avantfax
[02:38] <gizmobay> and that's where it went south on me
[02:38] <nejode> gizmobay: log in as root, create a new user and see if you can log in to the GUI
[02:38] <gizmobay> it screwed up my sudoer file but I fixed that
[02:39] <gizmobay> okay
[02:41] <gizmobay> new user didn't work
[02:44] <gizmobay> when i installed avantfax it removed exim
[02:44] <gizmobay> would that matter
[02:44] <nejode> gizmobay: still bounces back to kdm with the new user?
[02:45] <dope> dudes.....why does pidgin not make any noise when i'm in kubuntu
[02:47] <|0sts0u|> gizmobay: maybe dpkg-reconfigure kdm?
[02:49] <nejode> gizmobay: login to tty1... /etc/init.d/kdm stop ... startx
[02:49] <nejode> ...just to see if it's a kdm problem
[02:50] <gizmobay> I'm starting to think this is a permission issue
[02:55] <dope> bros......this is simple.....i put pidgin on the alsa mixer and i still can't get any sound
[02:55] <nejode> gizmobay: did you check /home/user/.xsession-errors?
[02:57] <gizmobay> when Installed avantfax it changed the group on my tmp folder to root:uucp
[03:00] <gizmobay> anyone know how to purge the tmp directory
[03:00] <ign0ramus> dope: it has sound muted by default... check Tools > Preferences to make sure its not muted
[03:00] <dope> delete it
[03:00] <gizmobay> will it recreate
[03:01] <gizmobay> the tmp folder
[03:01] <dope> ign0ramus: sound method automatic and enable sounds is set to always
[03:01] <dope> gizmobay: no idea but i don't see why it wouldn't if your permissions are in order
[03:01] <ign0ramus> dope: what if you set it to alsa?
[03:01] <dope> ign0ramus: it doesn't give a fuck
[03:02] <ign0ramus> dope: in Preferences > Sound tab, can you preview any sounds?
[03:02] <dope> let see...
[03:03] <dope> ign0ramus: i get nothing.  maybe i'm missing a sound pack
[03:03]  * |0stsoul is back. access point issue.
[03:03] <ign0ramus> dope: does it have default pre-set sounds?
[03:04] <dope> all it says is "(default)"
[03:04] <ign0ramus> dope: are the boxes ticked?
[03:05] <dope> yup, everything is friggin ticked
[03:06] <ign0ramus> dope: choose an event, and browse to assign it a sound ... navigate to /usr/share/sounds
[03:06] <ign0ramus> dope: see if you can play any normal sound files in Pidgin
[03:06] <dope> i need a good sound
[03:06] <dope> all i have is songles
[03:06] <dope> and songs
[03:06] <ign0ramus> dope: these are your system sounds
[03:06] <dope> ha
[03:06] <dope> i'm listening to the eagles through amarok right now
[03:07] <dope> in 5.1
[03:07] <ign0ramus> dope: hmmm... if you kill amarok, can you get sounds in Pidgin?
[03:07] <dope> 5.1 works fine
[03:07] <dope> nope
[03:07] <dope> well
[03:07] <dope> ugh
[03:07] <dope> 1 sec
[03:07] <ign0ramus> dope: ... sometimes people have issues with arts providing sound to more than one app
[03:07] <dope> amarok is dead
[03:08] <ign0ramus> dope: restart pidgin
[03:08] <ign0ramus> dope: no other sound sources are active?
[03:08] <dope> just system sound
[03:08] <dope> i don't have much running
[03:08] <ign0ramus> dope: this probably won't be it, but at least we can narrow it down
[03:08] <dope> just firefox, konversation, and pidgin now
[03:08] <dope> restarted pidgin
[03:09] <dope> yea pidgin still has no sound
[03:09] <ign0ramus> go back to Sounds tab... set to Automatic, Loudest, and browse to find a sound file to play
[03:09] <draik> ign0ramus: Hey there
[03:09] <ign0ramus> draik: what's up man
[03:10] <ign0ramus> draik: i only have Pidgin open for troubleshooting
[03:10] <draik> ah
[03:10] <ign0ramus> draik: i've used it twice this week- more than at any point since i've installed it
[03:10] <draik> LOL
[03:11] <ign0ramus> Not big on IM'ing, but Kopete seems to work perfectly for what i need
[03:11] <gizmobay> okay making some progress
[03:11] <gizmobay> as suggested I stopped kdm and then hit startx
[03:12] <gizmobay> it says lnusertemp failed check install
[03:12] <dope> can pidgin play wav files?
[03:25] <cosf> alguien sabe de LTSP?.... tengo unos problemas con los clientes
[03:27] <gizmobay> blah, that was it. Avantfax changed my ownership and permissions so I couldn't access the tmp folder
[03:28] <gizmobay> thanks for the help
[03:29] <|0sts0u|> wow. sounds like avantfax needs to be whipped! Or at least a bug report sent to them.
[03:31] <yulo> holas!!
[03:31] <yulo> tengo un problema:
[03:31] <yulo> tengo internet por medio de un modem
[03:31] <mr---t-> !es
[03:32] <gizmobay> yeah, it had a variable like $INSTDIR/tmp chmod
[03:32] <gizmobay> in the install script
[03:32] <yulo> jejejej, me equivoqué de canal, adios
[03:33] <gizmobay> must've not set the instdir properly and just changed the tmp
[03:35] <gizmobay> 3 hours to figure it out
[03:40] <Mr_Sonoma> what additional packages do i need to get my logitech webcam to work with kopete?? anyone know off hand?
[03:49] <Cannoli> hiya
[03:49] <Cannoli> how do i get grub to access a logical partition on an extended partition
[03:51] <BluesKaj> Cannoli, do you mean ntfs access from ext2/3
[03:51] <Cannoli> no i mean on boot where i can select different operating systems
[03:55] <Cannoli> ?
[03:55] <mefisto__> Cannoli: I don't think grub cares about that. it just needs to know which partition
[03:57] <mefisto__> Cannoli: maybe a more specific question might help get you some responses
[04:01] <Cannoli> never mind mefisto__ i think i got it
[04:01] <Cannoli> it was just my mistake
[04:01] <Cannoli> appreciate the help though
[04:11] <Cannoli> hey i had one more question. it may sound stupid but meh. is there any way to make grub prettier with like a background or like colours or stuff? its just kinda simple for my tastes
[04:16] <mefisto__> Cannoli: it's easy to do colours. there should be sample settings in menu.lst -- you can just uncomment them
[04:17] <mefisto__> # Pretty colours          and the next line is something like          # color cyan/blue white/blue
[04:17] <Cannoli> oh ok, is there a more graphical boot loader available by anychance?
[04:19] <mefisto__> I think you can set a background image but I don't know how. maybe it depends on your vidcard's capabilities?
[04:20] <Cannoli> alright i'll look around. thanks
[05:10] <leesont> helloi
[05:12] <poperto> que pedo
[05:12] <poperto> quien anda por aquee
[05:12] <poperto> hello
[05:12] <poperto> how are you
[05:13] <poperto> what do they online in this chat??
[05:13] <poperto> in what do they spend their time??
[05:17] <mr---t-> !#kubuntu
[05:17] <mr---t-> !ask
[05:19] <tacosarecool> hello
[05:20] <eBovine> Evening tacosarecool
[05:20] <tacosarecool> Is there staff here
[05:20] <tacosarecool> I wanna register this nick
[05:20] <eBovine> You don't need a staff person.
[05:20] <|0sts0u|> you register with nickserv... /msg nickserv help
[05:22] <tacosarecool> Oops
[05:23] <tacosarecool> cool
[05:23] <tacosarecool> Now no one else can use my name
[05:23] <eBovine> ...as long as you're currently on the network.
[05:24] <tacosarecool> Yeah
[05:24] <eBovine> If you try to log on and find someone is already using it you can kick them off, though.
[05:24] <tacosarecool> anyway can anyone help me with this race issue not racist It's just a weird sound situation some times I boot up with flash and skype sound sometimes I don't
[05:25] <tacosarecool> So any ideas?
[05:26] <eBovine> I'm not sure what you're asking.
[05:26] <tacosarecool> I'm looking for a fix for sometimes I boot up with sound that works with everything but sometimes I boot up with sound that just works with amarok
[05:27] <eBovine> Do you get any errors when you try and play sound outside of Amarok?
[05:27] <tacosarecool> No errors but no audio
[05:29] <eBovine> Is it just Flash-based apps that it doesn't work with?
[05:29] <tacosarecool> and skype
[05:31] <eBovine> Have you tried closing Amarok, waiting a few minutes, then trying Skype?
[05:31] <tacosarecool> I've had amarok closed for a while
[05:31] <tacosarecool> And this is a race issue it's like it's racing to get other sound or just to get amarok sound
[05:32] <eBovine> When KDE plays audio it basically takes ownership of the hardware.  There is a KDE setting for how long it waits to release the hardware which Kubuntu sets to 60s by default.
[05:32] <tacosarecool> I plugin my headphones in the front
[05:32] <tacosarecool> Is that a problem?
[05:32] <tacosarecool> Shouldn't be
[05:32] <stdin> eBovine: only if it's set to use OSS, it defaults to ALSA though
[05:33] <eBovine> stdin: Ah.  Good to know.
[05:33] <stdin> other apps that use OSS will be blocked though
[05:34] <tacosarecool> No doesn't wine use oss
[05:34] <tacosarecool> Wine works fine
[05:34] <tacosarecool> with sound
[05:34] <stdin> not when you're trying to play sound from KDE at the same time
[05:34] <stdin> if wine is using OSS, it can use ALSA iirc
[05:35] <tacosarecool> Oh I've played sound from amarok while playing games
[05:35] <tacosarecool> wined
[05:35] <stdin> then wine would be using ALSA
[05:35] <tacosarecool> Ok
[05:36] <tacosarecool> Yeah your right
[05:37] <eBovine> Looks like Skype may still use OSS: http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=4489
[05:38] <dwidmann> speaking of concurrent sound, stdin, when I have something using 5.1 sound, I can't play any other sounds at the same time ... do you know how to work around this?
[05:38] <stdin> i've never tried 5.1 sound, I'm happy with my two little laptop speakers :p
[05:39] <tacosarecool> But skype has worked so
[05:39] <tacosarecool> yeah
[05:39] <dwidmann> Oh well, guess asking was worth a try
[05:39] <eBovine> It's probably all about what app accessed the hardware first.
[05:40] <tacosarecool> Yeah thanks for trying to help
[05:40] <dwidmann> In other news, VLC 0.9 is nice :)
[05:42] <tacosarecool> Ok I'm restarting sound system
[05:43] <tacosarecool> It keeps restarting
[05:47] <tacosarecool> By the way
[05:47] <tacosarecool> it's auto detect by default
[05:49] <mefisto__> tacosarecool: it may be something is still using the soundcard and hasn't released it yet
[05:49] <tacosarecool> My soundcard is pretty old
[05:50] <mefisto__> the flash plugin in firefox does that to me quite often
[05:50] <mefisto__> sudo alsa force-reload releases the audio hardware, but will kill whatever is holding onto it (usually firefox, but sometimes even kmix)
[05:51] <tacosarecool> Thank you
[05:53] <tacosarecool> mefisto
[05:53] <tacosarecool> Do you have flash 10 beta
[05:53] <tacosarecool> It's in release candidate
[05:53] <tacosarecool> It's pretty stable now
[05:53] <mefisto__> I'm happy with flash 9, not in a hurry to upgrade
[05:54] <mefisto__> tacosarecool: what am I missing?
[05:54] <tacosarecool> Webcam flash support
[05:54] <tacosarecool> Less cpu usage
[05:54] <mefisto__> tacosarecool: does it work with konqueror?
[05:54] <tacosarecool> Sure
[05:55] <mefisto__> ok
[05:55] <tacosarecool> Should I link you to instructions
[05:55] <tacosarecool> On how to uninstall flash 9
[05:55] <mefisto__> ok tacosarecool
[05:55] <Linux_Galore> just experienced an unusual bug in Kubuntu that makes your network setup stop working
[05:56] <tacosarecool> Hi did you update? make sure to update that's important
[05:57] <dwidmann>  tacosarecool: just use the locate command to find libflashplayer.so, and delete all instances of it
[05:57] <Linux_Galore> I updated and installed some packages yesterday and a script seems to have changed by accident my /etc/hosts from Kubuntu to kubuntu, so when I bootrd up , no network and sudo is going mental
[05:58] <tacosarecool> I use flock
[05:58] <tacosarecool> So no need to find a libflashplayer.so
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> easy to fix just change my hostname in /etc/hosts to Kubuntu again
[05:58] <Linux_Galore> reboot and all is well
[05:59] <tacosarecool> Hmm sudo mv Kubuntu kubuntu or something like that idk
[05:59] <dwidmann> tacosarecool: sudo rm -i $(locate libflashplayer.so | tr '\n' ' ')
[05:59] <tacosarecool> I don't need to find it because I use flock
[06:00] <dwidmann> tacosarecool: my instructions are globally effective
[06:00] <Linux_Galore> weird though, also a lesson, dont use caps names as your hostname
[06:00] <tacosarecool> Yeah
[06:00] <tacosarecool> I think I'm going to make some guides for my website
[06:00] <tacosarecool> Eventuall
[06:00] <tacosarecool> y
[06:00] <mefisto__> tacosarecool: flash 10 link?
[06:01] <dwidmann> Is flash 10 released or still a beta?
[06:01] <tacosarecool> Release candidate
[06:01] <Linux_Galore> my problem is i want to post a bug report but I dont have a clue what package is fsking up my hosts file
[06:02] <Linux_Galore> I have flash 10 on my interpid machine, seems less resource hungry than the stable version
[06:03] <Linux_Galore> I was worried a E8500 cpu might not have enough grunt for video ripping in Linux, sheesh, E8500 cpu feels like Im hammering a nail with a galactic starship
[06:04] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: and the quads are even more spectacular
[06:05] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann i was looking at a quad Q9450 but I was told they dont offer much performance for your $$4 right now in Linux
[06:06] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: like ____ they don't .... In fact, the faster processors if anything help more in Linux, seeing as you don't have a crud operating system taxing its performance
[06:08] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann well Im waiting for Nehalam (whatever they call it) to come out then I should be able to get a QA9650 cheap later next year
 Should I link you to instructions
[06:09] <Linux_Galore> anyway if anyone complain about their network connection suddenly vannishing upon rebooting after a package update ask if their hostname has a "caps" character in it
[06:09] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: yeah ... waiting for the next big thing is a neverending waiting game though ... by the time you've waited for the next big thing, there's another big thing coming,, and then another ... it never ends
[06:10] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann Im not waiting for Nehalem personally, I just want to take advantage of the price break that intel will have to enforce on the LGA775 cpu's to sell it later next year
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> ie chaep Quad Extreme cpu update
[06:11] <Linux_Galore> cheap*
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> new Quad to replace the Q6600 due out soon to for LGA775 called the Q8300
[06:12] <Linux_Galore> well budget quad
[06:13] <Linux_Galore> basically its a Q9550 with less cache
[06:13]  * dwidmann has a Q9300
[06:14] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann doesnt the Q9300 have two duals added together, the Q8300 will be a single die
[06:14] <dwidmann> dunno
[06:15] <Linux_Galore> intels earlier quads were all two duals in one chip
[06:16] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: I know the Q9xxx were the 45nm quads, that's about all I know. The Q9300 has half the cache of the other Q9xxx though ... I got it shortly before the 9450 was released
[06:16] <Linux_Galore> you get some lag between the cores as a down side and yes less cache
[06:17] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: still beats the pants off any processor I've ever had before ... so I'm not complaining (Previous processor was an FX-60)
[06:17] <Linux_Galore> still better than putting two duals on the motherboard
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann I still have an FX-60 in the lab
[06:18] <Linux_Galore> I use it as an email server
[06:18] <dwidmann> Yeah, it's in my old box that I haven't really hooked up since I built this one ...
[06:19] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann what gets me is how cool the new Intel cpu's run, my old AMD and P4 stuff often sat around 45C were now Im hard up reaching 38C
[06:19] <dwidmann> Mmhmm ... It sucked up a lot of power ... so I decided I would just do without for now. This system can definitely handle any load I throw at it anyway
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> idle my E8500 is 26C
[06:20] <dwidmann> I don't know, either I have a bad sensor or this build's not fairing too well temperature wise.
[06:20] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann what heatsink are you using
[06:20] <dwidmann> Thermaltake V1
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann V1 should be alright
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> what about the case ?
[06:21] <dwidmann> A Lian Li midtower
[06:21] <Linux_Galore> mine has more fans than elvis
[06:22] <Linux_Galore> Cosmos S
[06:22] <dwidmann> Mine has 4 (front, side, top, back)
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> I have 12mm - 3 top, 1 back, 1 front (HDD), 1 bottom and a 1 x 200mm on the side total 8
[06:23] <Linux_Galore> and quiete as hell
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> 120mm*
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> Thats why I got the Cooler Mater Cosmos S, lots of places for fans
[06:24] <Linux_Galore> Master*
[06:25] <dwidmann> My box idles in the 50's ... which halfway scares me as I don't have any way of checking my load temps (lm-sensors says it can't find anything)
[06:25] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann 50 is way to high
[06:25] <dwidmann> I know ...
[06:25] <Linux_Galore> should be around 32-36 with a stock heatsink
[06:26] <dwidmann> I've reseated the heatsink repeatedly with no change.
[06:26] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann get some arctic silver and reinstall the heatsink
[06:26] <dwidmann> Yeah, AS5 is what I used to begin with
[06:27] <Linux_Galore> you have the butterfly heatsink right ?
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> or looks like a chinese fan
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> ?
[06:28] <Linux_Galore> it works but the problem with the V1 is it doesnt really have enough surface area to cool a quad
[06:29] <dwidmann> hmm
[06:29] <Linux_Galore> i purchased a Coolermaster V8 because its rated all the way to 180 watts
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> so i can update to a QA9*** quad later easy
[06:30] <dwidmann> I've half the mind to get another cooler ... but it needs to be something quiet
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> Mt V8 is dead silent
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> my8
[06:30] <Linux_Galore> I wouldnt recomend it though for a mid case its huge
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> best cpu cooler around right now is a Xigmatec S1283 or a Sunbeam Core-Contact  http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2292&page=5
[06:32] <Linux_Galore> both are around USD$30-40
[06:33] <Linux_Galore> they are whats called direct contact heat pipe coolers, the heat pipes directly touch the cpu thus there is no insulative properties of the metal interface
[06:33] <dwidmann> hmmm
[06:34] <dwidmann> and they aren't titans that are as big as my case? Guess they're worth looking into
[06:34] <Linux_Galore> metal will transfer heat to the pipes but it also acts as an insulator, so remove the metal and let the pipes touch the cpu
[06:41] <alain_> stephanie
[06:45] <lafleche> bjrs a tous
[06:46] <JP-sNL> o/
[06:50] <favro> !fr
[06:52] <JP-sNL>  :-)
[06:53] <mr---t-> !nl
[06:57] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: I've done a bit of reading online ... those heatsinks you mentioned do look very impressive.
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann I have a Xigmatec S1283 and it's actually not that big compared to some of the monsters on the market
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> its on my AMD machine
[06:58] <Linux_Galore> I was pretty sceptical but it actually works well
[06:59] <Linux_Galore> it will fit in a mid case easy too
[06:59] <dwidmann> Linux_Galore: good to finally glean some useful information from someone who knows what they're talking about too :)
[07:01] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann one thing i learnt reading up on heatsinks to fix my AMD rig that was running hot was that big isnt always better. although it helps
[07:02] <Linux_Galore> dwidmann there is an install video on youtube.com regarding the Xigmatec S1283 done by a case moder
[07:03] <dwidmann> link?
[07:03] <Linux_Galore> total no brainer install, hold on let me get it
[07:04] <Linux_Galore> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcO0DrLK804
[07:07] <dwidmann> linux__: hmm, seems xigmatek offers retention brackets as well ... I'd rather screw it down than use the push pins and worry about me bumping it an them breaking or jumping out ...
[07:07] <Ashex> this may sound a bit retarded
[07:08] <Ashex> but where do I add another path for commands?
[07:08] <Ashex> I've got a directory with a bunch of scripts I want to add to my path
[07:08] <Ashex> but, I have no .bashrc
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> !path
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> heh
[07:09] <Linux_Galore> Ashex: .bashrc is in your home directory
[07:10] <Ashex> Linux_Galore, that's the odd thing, I don't have one :/
[07:10] <Linux_Galore> Ashex: type ls -la|grep bash
[07:10] <Ashex> only have .bash_history
[07:11] <Linux_Galore> Ashex: strange is should be created by the default user setup script
[07:11] <Linux_Galore> it*
[07:11] <Ashex> yeah
[07:11] <Ashex> I'm a tad confused
[07:12] <Ashex> I guess I've just been using /etc/profile this whole time?
[07:13] <Linux_Galore>  /etc/bash.bashrc
[07:13] <Ashex> right
[07:13] <mefisto__> ls ~/.bashrc    gives you nothing?
[07:13] <Ashex> eh, I'll just copy that over
[07:14] <Ashex> or from another profile
[07:14] <Ashex> mefisto__, correct
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> Ashex: no thats the sys version
[07:14] <Linux_Galore> ie kitchen sink version
[07:14] <Ashex> yeah
[07:15] <Linux_Galore> anyway I have to go - phone
[07:15] <vikku> hello
[07:15] <vikku> What should i do to back up all the kde files so that i'll not have to download it again , i mean what kde files should i backup to s CD  ?
[07:16] <Ashex> so
[07:17] <Ashex> I copied over a .bashrc from another profile
[07:18] <DarkriftX> can anyone recommend me a good wifi manager that doesnt match k*manager?
[07:18] <|0sts0u|> vikku: If you want to back up what you have downloaded in adept look into aptoncd. it will back up all your apt cached files and create a repository on CD. This will be addable as a repository in adept.
[07:18] <mefisto__> Ashex: do you want to add another dir to your PATH (the locations listed when you do echo $PATH) ?
[07:18] <Ashex> mefisto__, yeah. I just used PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin
[07:19] <Ashex> I figured that should work
[07:19] <mefisto__> ok
[07:19] <mefisto__> Ashex: echo $PATH to check it
[07:19] <Ashex> yep
[07:19] <Ashex> looks right
[07:19] <|0sts0u|> DarkriftX: many people prefer wicd
[07:20] <DarkriftX> does it have any options to change speed or anything?
[07:20] <DarkriftX> or does it auto try to connect at different speeds? knetworkmanager always seems to try 1mb first :S
[07:21] <|0sts0u|> DarkriftX: That would be the fault of your network card. Negotiating a speed is a hardware thing.
[07:22] <vikku> |0sts0u|: aptoncd ? is tha another app ?
[07:22] <DarkriftX> if i manually change the speed it works, but rarely on connect
[07:22] <Ashex> hmm
[07:22] <|0sts0u|> vikku: yes it is. http://aptoncd.soundforge.net
[07:22] <|0sts0u|> also available in repositories
[07:23] <vikku> |0sts0u|: or in a way you are saying that i should back up files in apt cache dir and create a tar , to a cd and iam done ?
[07:24] <|0sts0u|> You can do that, but aptoncd creates the header files necessary to add back into adept as a repository. That way you don't have to individually install each .deb
[07:25] <vikku> |0sts0u|: thnks much
[07:25] <|0sts0u|> Glad to help.
[07:27] <|0sts0u|> DarkriftX: My card does the same thing when associating. just part of the negotiating process i guess. Even when I specify a speed, first connects at 1mb, then goes to whatever I specified.
[07:28] <DarkriftX> wicd doesnt sit in tray?
[07:30] <|0sts0u|> I have not used it myself so I couldnt say for sure. I know most users who hate networkmanager move to wicd. I use NM and works great for me so I haven't changed.
[07:30] <DarkriftX> hrmmmm... i have kwifimanager sittign in tray, but i like quick access to connect disconnect incase i need a speed change lol
[07:30] <DarkriftX> oh well, guess im screwed from both directions
[07:31] <|0sts0u|> Check out kde-apps.org... they may have something that fits the bill.
[07:35]  * DarkriftX causes harm to his wife
[07:36] <DarkriftX> damned woman installed utorrent on her moms laptop and was draining my speed uploading crappy music to the world at 450k while i was stuck with 3k uploads fixing my website
[07:37] <|0sts0u|> lol!
[07:37] <geek> lol
[07:37] <geek> DarkriftX: pfft. you need a better router ;p
[07:38]  * geek used to run utorrent in my pre linux days. its usually misconfigureation that causes it to be a pain ;p
[07:38] <|0sts0u|> I have fiber through my cable ISP at home. Speed is never a problem. Definately worth the $
[07:39] <vikku> |0sts0u|: i did a du -ah  on /var/cache/apt and it doesnt show me any deb file reltd to kde ......
[07:40] <|0sts0u|> have you done a purge recently?
[07:40] <vikku> |0sts0u|: is that my questn ?
[07:40] <|0sts0u|> er... clean?   apt-get clean?
[07:40] <|0sts0u|> vikku: yes.
[07:40] <vikku> |0sts0u|: nope
[07:42] <|0sts0u|> odd. SHould have all your packages there. or are you looking to backup the entire kde system itself?
[07:43] <|0sts0u|> oh... if you did an apt-get clean it removes all your packages.
[07:43] <vikku> |0sts0u|: yes i want to because everytime i format y disk , i have to insatll it and it takes big deal of time downloading a lot of data
[07:44] <vikku> |0sts0u|: i need all the kde file backed up in a way so that i dont have to download it again
[07:44] <|0sts0u|> best is to install from the iso, then use aptoncd to backup your packages.
[07:44] <vikku> hmmm ok ,
[07:44] <|0sts0u|> but if you did a clean your packages are no longer cached locally.
[07:44] <|0sts0u|> lemme see if I can figure out how to re-download the packages
[07:45] <vikku> i dont want to download kde, thats the catch
[07:47] <|0sts0u|> Are you saying you don't want to have to download the new kde4 every time, or download the entire kubuntu iso every time?
[07:48] <|0sts0u|> or am I missing it entirely. :P
[07:51] <vikku> |0sts0u|: hmmm ..... i think i did apt-get install kubuntu-dektop , everytime
[07:51] <vikku> is that kde != kubuntu ?
[07:52] <|0sts0u|> So, when you install the system from scratch, are you using a ubuntu cd then?
[07:52] <|0sts0u|> then installing kde on top of it?
[07:53] <vikku> yes after i reinstall the whole ubuntu .....
[07:53] <vikku> then install kde
[07:53] <|0sts0u|> do you use gnome at all after installing kde?
[07:55] <|0sts0u|> because if you don't like gnome you can download the kubuntu live cd instead of the ubuntu live cd, then you would start out with kde in the first place.
[07:58] <vikku> |0sts0u|: ok
[07:58] <SkEmO> i cant watch cam4!
[07:59] <SkEmO> stupid kubuntu!
[08:09] <JP-sNL> lol
[08:31] <DexterF> hi
[08:32] <DexterF> fresh 8.04/kde3, entered my account data for Jabber over Googlemail into kopete but it won't connect.
[08:32] <DexterF> Checked all settings, seem fine. Ideas?
[08:38] <ragueor> hiii !!
[08:40] <Tizz> Tain c'est louche.
[08:40] <Tizz> maintenant Konversation arrive à se connecter sans problème
[08:40] <Tizz> mais Firefox refuse de m'afficher un site sur 2
[08:40] <Tizz> enfin 2 sur 3 plutôt ;)
[08:46] <DexterF> !fr
[08:53] <SkEmO> is there something like autocad for kubuntu?
[08:53] <jussi01> !info qcad
[08:53] <jussi01> SkEmO: not sure how alike they are, but you could give that a try
[08:54] <DexterF> SkEmO: google for qcad, too, there are some beginner tuts around to overcome some differences
[08:54] <SkEmO> oic
[09:01] <SkEmO> argh its only for 2D designs
[09:01] <SkEmO> i need a 3D design software
[09:05] <DexterF> blender...? :)
[09:08] <jussi01> SkEmO: google around for autocad linux - I remember there was something reasonable, but cant remember the name atm
[09:13] <favro> there's no 3d cad prog for linux - I've been looking for one for ages
[09:13] <geek> erf
[09:14] <zeta> hi
[09:15] <zeta> anyone there
[09:15] <Tm_T> only some 260 persons or so
[09:16] <zeta> ok.lolI was wondering does anyone know how to install jre for firefox?
[09:16] <Tm_T> !anyone | zeta
[09:16] <Tm_T> (;
[09:17] <Tm_T> !jre | zeta
[09:17] <zeta> how do I install jre for firefox,in order to play free online pokies/
[09:18] <Tm_T> see what ubottu said
[09:18] <zeta> Ive got kubuntu-8.04
[09:18] <Tm_T> yes
[09:19] <tommy> yo ppl
[09:20] <Tm_T> ppa
[09:20] <tommy> anyone knows how to reactivate sleeping processes in the hardy
[09:21] <tommy> all my processes are sleeping after a failed hibernate on my eee 900 pc
[09:22] <DexterF> tommy: hmm, jobs and fg perhaps?
[09:22] <zeta> can I just install jre straight from the firefox webpage?
[09:22] <geek> zeta: no
[09:23] <zeta> ok thanks.
[09:24] <tommy> ooh, yeah just got intu ubuntu after giving up vista, hehe, so like in the recoverymode terminal?
[09:24] <zeta> how do I tell if Ive got a root password/
[09:25] <geek> zeta: you probably don't if you need to ask
[09:25] <zeta> ok how do I get one,assuming I  need to?
[09:26] <Tm_T> zeta: you don't need one
[09:27] <zeta> saw something about downloding jre and putting it in the root file or in the home folder,but the terminal asks for a root password
[09:27] <tommy> shit, my password is only 4 chars, and root passes must be 6 or more, and i dont have my flash disk. bollocs
[09:27] <zeta> it was an executable file
[09:28] <geek> zeta: you can use apt to install java
[09:28] <zeta> ok so do I type apt-get install jre/
[09:29] <geek> zeta: need it to work with a web browser right?
[09:29] <Tm_T> !jre | zeta
[09:29] <geek> try sun-java6-plugin - that should pull in JRE as well
[09:29] <zeta> yeah firefox2.0 or something
[09:29] <Tm_T> bah
[09:29] <geek> o0 2.0?
[09:29] <Tm_T> zeta: please, read pages I provided earlier
[09:29] <zeta> ok
[09:40] <saeufer> :o
[09:40] <MilitantPotato> I'm not seeing HDPARM as a service in hardy, where do you set it to load on boot these days?
[09:51] <MilitantPotato> how do I add 'hdparm -a32 -A1 -S42 -W1 /dev/sda' to the file /etc/init.d/rc.local so that hdparm works correctly? how should this file look when I'm done?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/53131/
[09:53] <amerigo> #xubuntu
[09:56] <amerigo> it's possible to search a nickname in this chat?
[09:57] <amerigo> I means to know in what channel is connected?
[10:04] <reed> hello
[10:05] <reed> where is the best place to report bugs in intrepid alpha?
[10:05] <jussi01> !bug | reed
[10:06] <reed> yeah! love bot
[10:06] <reed> :)
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> ubottu is the nuts
[10:06] <ActionParsnip> haha
[10:07] <MilitantPotato> how do I set hard drive spin down timing in hardy?
[10:08] <ActionParsnip> hdparm maybe
[10:10] <MilitantPotato> It's not a service like it was in feisty for me, how do you set it to load params on boot?
[10:11] <MilitantPotato> how should the rc.local script look?
[10:14] <stdin> MilitantPotato: just add commands to it, each command is ran in sequence
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> stdin: so just add it at the very end?, nothing before or after the command?
[10:15] <stdin> just add whatever command you would type at the terminal to the end of the file
[10:15] <MilitantPotato> thanks.
[10:17] <MilitantPotato> stdin: Worked great.
 oy gals and guys ... hello there ... can you please help me? i have two problems ... one is about sound ... the other one is with something i found on "kde-look.org"
 whenever i start linux ... i get the following error message -> The audio playback device HDA Intel (STAC 92xx) does not work. Falling back to  HDA Intel (STAC 92xx)
 funny thing is ... some seconds before i hear a start up melody ... some seconds later when linux has started completly and i see the desktop ... i can listen to music as if there was no problem
 my question now is ... is there really a problem with my soundcard?
[10:35] <eddiewould> Hey all :-)
[10:36] <eddiewould> Does anyone have any recommendations/recipes for sensible power management in Kubuntu?
[10:36] <eddiewould> (On laptops/notebooks)
[10:38] <moza> hello all... i tried to play a little with konqueror and have a question about it : how to enlarge the icons in the icon view?
[10:40] <moza> hum, seems to be less active than #ubuntu...
[10:41] <moza> hello all! how are you? is there somebody?
[10:41] <Tm_T> !patience | moza
[10:41] <Tm_T> hmmh, not that
[10:41] <moza> ok, sorry for this.
[10:42] <Tm_T> nah, forget it
[10:42] <Tm_T> moza: hi hi, sometimes it takes some time to give an answer, just be patient and have fun (:
[10:42] <mado> well ok then ... i will wait too :)
[10:43] <mado> Tm_T, what's the time in your time zone?
[10:43] <moza> thanks Tm_T for your answer, now i know some people are out there not only idling. I'll be there, just highlight me if somebody wants to talk about konqueror :)
[10:44] <Tm_T> moza: nah, I cannot be a watchdog for you, son, sorry
[10:44] <Tm_T> mado: 1244 now
[10:44] <moza> ok
[10:44] <moza> sorry again
[10:44] <mado> uhuu ... i see ... thanks :) ... in my time zone it is 1144 :)
[10:45] <JP-sNL> lol @ Tm_T
[10:45] <Tm_T> JP-sNL: no lol here
[10:45] <Tm_T> moza: anyway, have you looked icon settings in system settings ?
[10:45] <mado> i just asked because i thought that probably most of the guys and gals in here are sleeping
[10:46] <Tm_T> mado: most are not sleeping (:)
[10:46] <mado> Tm_T, :)
[10:47] <moza> Tm_T : where should i find system settings?
[10:47] <mado> Tm_T, ... can you help me with my two problems after moza's problem?
[10:47] <Tm_T> mado: depends on the problems
[10:47] <root> bonjour folks. im having a little problem with my ati card and xinerama
[10:48] <mado> i have two problems ... one is about sound ... the other one is with something i found on "kde-look.org" --- whenever i start linux ... i get the following error message -> The audio playback device HDA Intel (STAC 92xx) does not work. Falling back to  HDA Intel (STAC 92xx) --- funny thing is ... some seconds before i hear a start up melody ... some seconds later when linux has started completly and i see the desktop ... i can listen to music a
[10:48] <mado> s if there was no problem --- my question now is ... is there really a problem with my soundcard?
[10:49] <Tm_T> no problem then
[10:49] <mado> Tm_T, ?
[10:49] <Tm_T> if you hear sound, it works
[10:49] <mado> but why do i get an error message?
[10:49] <moza> i'm sorry about not being patient i have to go, will come back again later have a good day/night
[10:49] <Tm_T> heh
[10:49] <mado> when the message is displayed sound stops abruptly
[10:50] <mado> and some seconds later i hear sound again
[10:50] <mado> that's a funny thing
[10:50] <Tm_T> it tries other sound device
[10:50] <Tm_T> you prolly should set the "right" one as primary device in settings
[10:50] <mado> and how do i go about this?
[10:51] <Tm_T> you don't see "system settings" in menu?
[10:51] <mado> no i can see it ...
[10:51] <mado> i tried it ...
[10:51] <mado> but it won't work
[10:51] <mado> there's an entry called sound
[10:52] <Tm_T> and?
[10:52] <mado> i don't see the button for setting it as the primary device
[10:53] <Tm_T> sowwy, I don't know how it goes exactly
[10:53] <Tm_T> mado: we are talking about KDE4 here, right?
[10:53] <mado> Tm_T, ... no problem :)
[10:53] <mado> yes Tm_T
[10:53] <Tm_T> then #kubuntu-kde4 (;)
[10:54] <mado> i've already been there ...
[10:54] <mado> but no one gave me an answer
[10:54] <mado> :)
[10:54] <Tm_T> then #kde ?
[10:54] <eddiewould> mado: I've got the same problem, so I'm going to listen in :)
[10:54] <eddiewould> If you do find out - PM me please :)
[10:54] <mado> eddiewould, really? :)
[10:54] <eddiewould> Yes...
[10:54] <mado> funny :)
[10:54] <eddiewould> Every time I get a message "something Phono yada yada is not working"
[10:54] <mado> so you also get an error message - sound stops - and then you have sound again?
[10:54] <eddiewould> the sound plays for a bit and then stops
[10:55] <eddiewould> mado: Pretty much
[10:55] <mado> Tm_T, so this "#kde"-guys also help with such issues ?
[10:56] <Tm_T> mado: well it's general KDE4 issue, "how to select primary sound device in kde4?"
[10:56] <monreal> Hello kubuntu! Who can tell me what the binary name of the kde4 control center (or appearance settings app) is?
[10:56] <mado> :) ok
[10:56] <Tm_T> would be the proper question I guess
[10:56] <eddiewould> monreal:  systemsettings
[10:56] <eddiewould> I think
[10:56] <mado> thanks for summarizing it :)
[10:56] <Tm_T> np
[10:57] <mado> ok ... and the other problem ...
[10:57] <mado> i found some things on kde-look.org
[10:57] <mado> but i don't know how to install them ... or where i can download them
[10:57] <Tm_T> erp
[10:57] <eddiewould> mado: You can actually install themes from the KDE gui
[10:57] <eddiewould> You don't need to download from the website
[10:57] <mado> there is no "how to install" for some things
[10:57] <eddiewould> (Well the KDE gui will go and download them for you)
[10:58] <eddiewould> Icons, widgets and themes are all in this category
[10:58] <mado> eddiewould, not for all the things i saw or did i just miss something?
[10:58] <eddiewould> mado: Are you KDE 4 or 4.1 ?
[10:58] <mado> kde 4.1.1
[10:59] <Tm_T> mado: what exactly you're trying to get?
[10:59] <mado> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=84403&forumpage=3 ... this is something i wanted to know how it would look like when installed on my computer ... i also liked the weather-tool but i can't find it
[10:59] <eddiewould> widgets...
[11:00] <monreal> eddiewould: right... that opens the shell, but there are no launchers inside :(
[11:00] <eddiewould> go to the thing in the right corner of your screen
[11:00] <eddiewould> add widgets
[11:00] <mado> dunno ... if that is the name of the thing :) ... i'm just a beginner
[11:00] <eddiewould> and then in there there is a button install widgets
[11:00] <eddiewould> And inside there is one of the worst UI-nightmares ever
[11:00] <eddiewould> (Those buttons which look like drop downs!)
[11:01] <eddiewould> Did you find it mado ?
[11:01] <mado> hm ... i guess so ...
[11:01] <mado> but ...
[11:01] <mado> there is no weather tool
[11:02] <mado> the battery-symbol was in there :) ... and some other things
[11:02] <mado> like a clock
[11:02] <eddiewould> is there a button at the bottom "Install Widgets"
[11:02] <eddiewould> So not in the list of widgets
[11:02] <eddiewould> But at the bottom
[11:02] <mado> yes :)
[11:02] <mado> dios mio ... i really should sleep more :)
[11:03] <mado> i didn't see this thing
[11:03] <eddiewould> heh
[11:03] <mado> or do you say "mon dieu" ?
[11:03] <eddiewould> Watch out for the buttons which look like drop downs...they fooled me for a good 10 minutes!
[11:03] <mado> i don't know the exact term
[11:03] <mado> eddiewould, what do you mean?
[11:03] <eddiewould> Well I'm not sure if the 'Install Widgets' sections has it
[11:03] <vlad> can i ask you something
[11:03] <vlad> ?
[11:03] <mado> the thing with "source" ?
[11:04] <vlad> how instal dc++ on ubuntu?
[11:04] <eddiewould> But, the 'Install themes' section Has these things which are some kind of a hybrid between a button and a drop down box
[11:04] <Tm_T> !p2p
[11:04] <eddiewould> So they've got a arrow like a drop down box has... but you actually click them like a button
[11:04] <eddiewould> They're confusing.
[11:04] <mado> eddiewould, another problem ...
[11:05] <mado> wait ... i show you
[11:06] <eddiewould> mado: If you want to see what I'm talking about, right click on your desktop, go 'Desktop Settings' and choose 'New Theme'
[11:06] <eddiewould> Wait for it to load
[11:06] <eddiewould> I almost submitted a bug report
[11:07] <mado> i did what you say ...
[11:07] <eddiewould> (It's really slow to load)
[11:07] <mado> but i still don't know exactly what you mean
[11:07] <eddiewould> Can you see a list of themes?
[11:08] <mado> yep
[11:08] <eddiewould> Try and figure out how to install one :)
[11:08] <mado> already have :)
[11:08] <eddiewould> :P
[11:08] <eddiewould> Well it definately wasn't obvious to me
[11:08] <mado> i clicked on the install-button :)
[11:08] <mado> eddiewould,
[11:08] <mado> i can't install a widget
[11:09] <eddiewould> The way it looks, it looks like they're already all installed!
[11:09] <eddiewould> Why is there a drop down?
[11:09] <zeta> help Im installing sun-java6-jre from the terminal and am stalled at the license agreement
[11:09] <eddiewould> It should just be a button. Then it wouldn't be confusing
[11:09] <mado> you're right!
[11:09] <mado> maybe you should tell them ...
[11:10] <mado> or maybe it has a drop-down for "just download it without installing it"
[11:10] <eddiewould> Well yeah. I figured it out - but yeah
[11:10] <mado> eddiewould, ... this is my other problem ...
[11:10] <eddiewould> mado: what's that?
[11:10] <mado> http://img390.imageshack.us/my.php?image=err1gx5.png
[11:11] <user7> hello buddy
[11:11] <mado> this list is blank
[11:11] <eddiewould> mado: Internet is Very slow at the moment... image is still loading
[11:11] <mado> ok
[11:12] <mado> i get this list whenever i want to install some new small programs (widgets as you call them)
[11:12] <eddiewould> I still can't see it yet
[11:12] <mado> ok ... i will wait :)
[11:12] <user7> i have an integrated video card... lspci tell Sis 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 530/620 PCI/AGP VGA Display Adapter (rev 2a)
[11:12] <eddiewould> no it's coming now
[11:12] <user7> i need to adjourn driver???
[11:13] <eddiewould> mado: It's empty for me too :(
[11:13] <mado> ok ...
[11:13] <mado> great ...
[11:13] <mado> now we both have the same problem
[11:13] <mado> hmm ...
[11:13] <eddiewould> What about the 'Install from file' Wizard?
[11:13] <eddiewould> Have you given that a go?
[11:14] <mado> no because i don't know where the file is :)
[11:14] <mado> http://kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=84403&file1=84403-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Arezzo
[11:14] <mado> have a look at this url
[11:14] <eddiewould> Arezzo is a theme isn't it ?
[11:14] <user7> ! video card
[11:14] <user7> I video
[11:14] <mado> yeah ... but i want something different :)
[11:14] <user7> ! video
[11:14] <eddiewould> What do you want?
[11:14] <mado> there is a weather-widget :)
[11:14] <mado> and i wanted to try it out :)
[11:14] <eddiewould> OK, link me to it
[11:15] <mado> look at the preview of arezzo :)
[11:15] <mado> you can see it there
[11:15] <eddiewould> Oh. Can you find it on KDE-look.org >
[11:15] <mado> but i can't find it on kde-look.org
[11:15] <mado> :))
[11:15] <eddiewould> Might be under Plasmoids
[11:15] <eddiewould> OR
[11:15] <eddiewould> It might not be a native widget
[11:16] <eddiewould> (MacOS has widgets too, I think it is possible to use MacOS widgets in KDE)
[11:16] <eddiewould> If you use the Install Widget wizard, it asks you what kind of widget it is
[11:16] <mado> i tried the "search"-field
[11:16] <eddiewould> So maybe it's not on kde-look at all...
[11:16] <mado> but "weather" leads me to nothing
[11:17] <eddiewould> mado: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/top50/
[11:17] <eddiewould> sorry mado , try this: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/information/weatherbuglocalweather.html
[11:18] <mado> but that is apple-stuff
[11:18] <mado> do you really think it works?
[11:18] <jtheuer> Hi, I want to try kubuntu 8.10 on my new IBM T500 -- which however seem to have a Network card that uses the e1000e driver. Does anyone know when a fixed version of the driver will make it into an image?
[11:18] <eddiewould> mado: But I think you might be able to instal it
[11:18] <eddiewould> I think they're mostly just HTML and Javascript
[11:18] <mado> System Requirements
[11:18] <mado>     * Mac OS X 10.4 or later
[11:18] <mado>  ?
[11:19] <mado> wait a sec ...
[11:19] <jussi01> jtheuer: probably best to ask in #ubuntu+1
[11:19] <mado> WeatherBug ... isn't this some spyware?
[11:19] <eddiewould> Don't think so
[11:19] <eddiewould> It's on Apple's website
[11:20] <zeta> how do I continue installing sun-java6-jre from the console when Im stalled at the license agreement/
[11:20] <jussi01> zeta: tab
[11:20] <jtheuer> thanks, I'll try the channel
[11:20] <jtheuer> zeta: what is the problem?
[11:20] <zeta> thank you v.m
[11:20] <jtheuer> can't you agree?
[11:20] <jussi01> :)
[11:21] <jtheuer> ok
[11:21] <zeta> I didnt know about tab
[11:21] <eddiewould> mado: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/395901-os-x-widgets-kde-4-1-x-dashboard-working.html
[11:21] <mado> and why did you suggested to install "http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/information/weatherbuglocalweather.html" ? ... are there more weather-widgets?
[11:21] <eddiewould> mado: It was just the first one I found in google
[11:22] <eddiewould> I think any 'Dashboard' widget will possibly work
[11:22] <mado> :)
[11:22] <mado> well ... i will try it out ... but first ... i want to see some more :)
[11:22] <eddiewould> I suppose you could email the author of Azzero and ask them what it was in the screenshot :)
[11:23] <eddiewould> I gtg.
[11:23] <eddiewould> seeu
[11:23] <mado> and how do i find out her / his email-address?
[11:23] <mado> eddiewould, ... good bye ... i hope to see you around again :)
[11:29] <zeta> what does Idconfig deferred processing now taking place mean?
[11:29] <falstaff> I am having trouble installing Kubuntu on my machine ... I downloaded the disk file and burned the iso image but I can't seem to get autorun to work ... is there a simple run command?
[11:30] <DexterF> just pulled kde 3.5.10 from backports, still cant connect to my Jabber account with kopete. ideas?
[11:31] <mado> i'll be back
[11:31] <jussi01> DexterF: google talk account?
[11:31] <kho_zhi> hey guys... having problem on ubuntu with the "usb 3d sound " sound card
[11:33] <falstaff> Is there simple way to run the install program from the kubuntu install disk?
[11:34] <jussi01> falstaff: err, which install program?
[11:34] <kho_zhi> hey guys... having problem on ubuntu with the "usb 3d sound " sound card....
[11:35] <jussi01> kho_zhi: ubuntu or kubuntu - on ubuntu please head on over to #ubuntu
[11:35] <falstaff> jussi01 I want to install kubuntu I burned the disk
[11:35] <kho_zhi> ok
[11:35] <jussi01> falstaff: so you need to boot from the cd
[11:36] <falstaff> jussi01 my boot from cd does'nt work
[11:36] <jussi01> falstaff: did you change the boot order in your bios?
[11:37] <falstaff> jussi01, I have that set right ... it just doesn
[11:37] <falstaff> t seem to work ...
[11:37] <jussi01> falstaff: doest it give an erro? or?
[11:38] <falstaff> No -- it just skips over it I am sure I have an iso image too.
[11:40] <zeta> hello again
[11:40] <falstaff> jussi01 why can't I just run the install file from the terminal??
[11:41] <zeta> anyone know what Idconfig deferred processing now taking place mean re:installation
[11:42] <darwin_> hi..i2m new user with this ubuntu ..and i want to ask how do i get compiz work ? i have instaled the video card :D
[11:42] <favro> !compiz
[11:43] <darwin_> ok man thx
[11:43] <darwin_> i will try this >P
[11:43] <darwin_> :)P
[11:46] <darwin_> well now if i have chosen desktop cube..i must restart or somthing or what? is still not working :(
[11:47] <darwin_> how do i activate 3 d destop effects_
[11:47] <darwin_> ????
[12:00] <zeta> hello
[12:01] <gm04030276> New laptop! ooo yea...first things first install kubuntu over windows :)
[12:03] <Hariharakadan> Good morning.
[12:21] <DexterF> jussi01: yes, gmail acc. why?
[12:24] <jussi01> DexterF: what settings are you using? it needs to be a particular port iirc
[12:28] <DexterF> jussi01: kept default and tried manually overriding to 5222 as well
[12:29] <DexterF> ill try 5222 again
[12:31] <jussi01> DexterF: hrm, might have been 5223 iirc
[12:32] <DexterF> both no go
[12:33] <stdin> port: 5223, server: talk.google.com and enable ssl
[12:33] <Hariharakadan> Yay, Kunbuntu is finally downloaded and checked with MD5. Now to burn it. :)
[12:34] <DexterF> stdin: aha. now says "no valid auth method available" at least talks to the server now...
[12:34] <lokai> whats a command line stopwatch?
[12:35] <stdin> DexterF: make sure to check the "Allow plain-text password authentication" too
[12:35] <stdin> basically check all the boxes in the "Connection" tab
[12:35] <DexterF> stdin: bam! that did it, thanks
[12:35] <stdin> :)
[12:35] <CE> hi
[12:35] <DexterF> a bit troubling that I have to send auth in plain tho
[12:36] <CE> Partman seems to block installation of Alpha6 on my system, is that a known problem?
[12:36] <stdin> it should send it over ssl (I think)
[12:36] <stdin> CE: intrepid support in #ubuntu+1
[12:36] <CE> ok, thanks
[12:37] <CE> exit
[12:37]  * stdin thinks he was going for /part there
[12:37]  * merrick_b chuckles
[12:47] <mrglinu1> hi i can connect only with kppp but i can not use pppconfig to connect because i connected but no data cared and i want to know kppp how to connect . is it possible ? (my os is kubuntu 7.10 )
[13:05] <arty_> hi all
[13:06] <arty_> can anyone help me pls I have kubuntu and I cant send mail with attach file If I send pure text its OK but in attach file send just 47%
[13:07] <arty_> I use gmail and Im sure I have SMTP and POP3 100% right
[13:07] <arty_> someone help I google 5 hours and nothing work pls HELP
[13:07] <arty_> heeeelp
[13:09] <arty_> pls help someone :)
[13:10] <Pici> arty_: How big is the attachment and what mail client are you using?
[13:10] <arty_> 200kb
[13:11] <arty_> kmail or thunderbird
[13:11] <arty_> in the boath is the same problem
[13:12] <aleboco> hi guys, i'm trying to use the slovak layout for the keyboard but some of the special keys doesn't seem to work properly. Is there any slovak that may tell me some of the key combinations for capital letters?
[13:14] <writher> can anyone tell me if it is possible to set the order in which your torrents are transferred in ktorrent?  I have searched the entire app and the forums for this basic feature
[13:18] <zeta> hi
[13:30] <julio_> hi
[13:30] <julio_> I am having  problems with ipw3945
[13:30] <julio_> in kubuntu 7.10
[13:30] <julio_> I heard that in kubuntu 8 is worst
[13:31] <julio_> what is the best way to install it??
[13:38] <martijn81> well, sidux installs this when you install the system, dunno about kubuntu
[14:33] <NikLP> gm04030276: hola :) no kubuntu til later for me - gotta do SOME work today! :P
[14:46] <JackWinter> where do i find the log of the fsck ran at startup.  i see some msg about it exiting with an error on boot, but it scrolls by too fast
[14:48] <ales> I have absolutely no clue how to use mysql, but still, is there an easy way to open files published here: http://archive.geneontology.org/latest-full/ and view them through Openoffice.org base? :)
[14:59] <solaries> when printing PDF using cups  I always get "[Job 1071] Files have gone away!"
[14:59] <solaries> any hints why?
[15:03] <lamur> hey everyone i am new here
[15:04] <lamur> I am from surinam
[15:05] <lamur> do you guys know how to setup a server with kubuntu? please help someone
[15:05] <LjL> lamur, a "server" can be a lot of thing. what is it that you want?
[15:10] <lamur> ljl i want a dns server or something what kind a server do you know
[15:11] <rrththe> lamur: no you dont
[15:11] <LjL> lamur, if you don't know what sort of server you want, then you don't want it
[15:12] <lamur> oke a dns server with dhcp
[15:12] <lamur> can you help me with that
[15:12] <lamur> ?
[15:16] <lamur> who will help me? please
[15:18] <ubuntu> hi i just removed ubuntu, so i can use virtualbox on windows, i rezised my windows partition with gparted, and now i cant start windows, because the grub is gone, how do i install it again_
[15:19] <lantjie> ubuntu you must install windows again or during the windows setup repaire the mbr
[15:20] <ubuntu> ok
[15:20] <ubuntu> i just solved it
[15:20] <gm04030276> NikLP: lol, i just installed it on my laptop :) can't get the webcam working though...my external one does...but builtin one not yet :(
[15:20] <NikLP> gm04030276: grr
[15:20] <ubuntu> i just start my windows cd and go to repair and type fixmbr
[15:20] <LjL> !info dnsmasq | lamur
[15:20] <gm04030276> NikLP: yea...
[15:21] <LjL> lantjie: ^ and there are many others, type "apt-cache search dhcp server" or "apt-cache search search dns dhcp server"
[15:21] <gm04030276> in which case, anyone got any experience with MSI laptop builtin web cams?
[15:21] <lantjie> thanks ubotto
[15:21] <lantjie> ubuttu
[15:21] <LjL> ubottu is a bot
[15:22] <lantjie> sorry ubottu you are not a bot
[15:24] <lantjie> gm0430276: just check your settings at control panel or device manager
[15:28] <rrththe> LjL: I CAN PASS ANY OF YOUR TURING TESTS
[15:28] <LjL> ...
[15:28] <rrththe> i think i might write a bot, so i can make it say that when anybody accuses it of being a bot
[15:29] <gm04030276> lantjie; its not showing up as a device in dev. my external one works fine but not internal
[15:32] <lantjie> ljl and ubottu it works
[15:33] <LjL> ubottu is still a bot
[15:34] <rrththe> ubottu that. Sorry - I cant do that dave
[15:34] <lantjie> gm04030276: search for the device
[15:34] <rrththe> argh
[15:35] <JackWinter> anyone seen this before or know how to fix ? Error konqueror, could not start process unable to create io-slave: klauncher said: unknown protocoll ".
[15:35] <lantjie> ljl or ubottu do you guys know how to setup a chilli hotspot
[15:35] <lantjie> ?
[15:36] <LjL> ubottu is not a guy, lantjie
[15:36] <LjL> and no, i have no idea what that is.
[15:37] <lantjie> jackwinter install konqueror again it will definet help
[15:38] <shadyzay> is intrepid beta out yet?
[15:39] <JackWinter> that's an idea.  actually is there a way to force a reinstall of all basic kde components ?  I have another problem with a kded process which eats some 20-25% cpu..
[15:40] <byteme_> Hello all
[15:40] <lantjie> it is a server you can make cards with it so that other can use the cards to logon to your wireless network
[15:41] <bussyman> hi, is posible to downgrade from intrepid ibex to hardy heron?
[15:42] <lantjie> oke who knows how to setup a chilli hotspot? there must be someone
[15:42] <lantjie> yes ther is jacwinter apt-get install kded
[15:44] <bussyman> hi, is posible to downgrade from intrepid ibex to hardy heron?
[15:44] <byteme_> Hey there, the links sent in Thunderbird seem to not work anymore. They are blue and I het the hand link it will take where the link goes, but I get nothing
[15:44] <JackWinter> thanks lantjie:  any pitfalls ?
[15:45] <byteme_> oops, sorry for the typos
[15:46] <JackWinter> lantjie: that did not work.  did you mean apt-get install kde ?
[15:47] <lantjie> yes sorry jackwinter
[15:48] <rrththe> bussyman: I wouldn't - i'll probably break sutff
[15:59] <JackWinter> since i'm in the process of fixing my system up a little.  if i wanna move /boot to it's own partition, is there anything else i have to do than copy all the files, reconfigure grub itself, and mount it in fstab ?
[16:11] <fcked> will the next iteration of kubuntu have kde 4.2
[16:16] <mixed1234> hey how come I cant resize dolphin windows???
[16:21] <lantjie> oke guys i am back
[16:21] <mixed1234> compiz straight out sucks!  you cant resize windows, booooo
[16:28] <amerigo> yuu
[16:28] <amerigo> ciao
[16:31] <amerigo> somebody can help me
[16:31] <amerigo> ??
[16:32] <amerigo> After i connect USB modem to kubuntu, PC is frozen.
[16:33] <amerigo> During shoutdown "Shutting Bluetooth Service" still remain several times
[16:34] <amerigo> even system is blocked
[16:35] <amerigo> no ones havvvvve an idea???
[16:40] <amerigo> somebody can help me??
[16:40] <eagles0513875> !patience | amerigo
[16:40] <amerigo> thank you guys
[16:41] <eagles0513875> amerigo: i dont know whats wrong so i cant help you amerigo
[16:41] <aziz> search ubuntuforums.org, sorry can't help you, got no time and no idea
[16:41] <amerigo> eagles0513875: what should you know?
[16:42] <halim> test
[16:42] <rrththe> test
[16:42] <amerigo> how?
[16:43] <eagles0513875> amerigo: ?
[16:43] <amerigo> ok only a questiion...
[16:44] <amerigo> how can i stop bluetooth service?
[16:45] <davidguest> can somoene help me i have having trouble installing mencoder
[16:45] <davidguest> i have 6.06 on my server
[16:46] <davidguest> i try sudo apt-get install mencoder and it says theri are dependices
[16:46] <davidguest> can someone help me pm me
[16:48] <amerigo> davidguest: you had to install depency also
[16:48] <amerigo> look at them
[16:48] <amerigo> and instell them with adept
[16:52] <amerigo> davidguest: let me now how it work
[16:53] <uu> can someone give me some 3rd parties resource link??
[16:55] <eagles0513875> noob question i know bind is a dns server but there is something like a domain controller i can setup
[16:58] <dmorar> eagles0513875: dns is different from domain controller
[16:58] <dmorar> domain controller sounds like M$, is this right?
[16:58] <eagles0513875> dmorar: yes
[16:59] <dmorar> ok, then try samba
[16:59] <eagles0513875> but is there something equivalent to a dc in linux
[16:59] <eagles0513875> samba has nothing to do with it thats only for file sharing between linux and windows
[16:59] <dmorar> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/dw-esdd-samba-i.html
[16:59] <eagles0513875> dmorar: i stand corrected
[16:59] <eagles0513875> never thought samba could be used as a primary dc
[17:00] <dmorar> eagles0513875: if you want something like the active directory then samba+ldap is the right way to go
[17:00] <uu> can someone give me some 3rd parties resource link??
[17:01] <eagles0513875> dmorar: i wanna stay away from windows
[17:02] <dmorar> eagles, so what is what you really need with the pdc?, i dont see how it is switable if you dont want windows
[17:03] <eagles0513875> dmorar: i have a domain with bind but i would like to be able to connect my laptops to my domain also im hoping to start selling web hosting
[17:04] <eagles0513875> dmorar: do u have any sites specifically for kubuntu on how to setup samba as primary domain controller
[17:07] <shadyzay> I need help with an intel graphics chipset
[17:07] <dmorar> eagles0513875: what do you mean by connect laptops to your domain
[17:07] <eagles0513875> dmorar: u know how u woudl have machines connected to a domain to use resources and programs and what not
[17:08] <eagles0513875> on a windows network i would liek to do the same with this
[17:08] <dmorar> eagles0513875: pdc is a concept of M$ networks
[17:08] <eagles0513875> nothing like that besides using samba exists here
[17:08] <dmorar> first off, what resources do you want to share
[17:09] <eagles0513875> printer and filesharing for now
[17:09] <eagles0513875> filesharing i have setup no problem but printer is another story
[17:09] <shadyzay> Can I install the intel driver from intrepid in hardy? the version in intrepid says it supports my chipset ( intel 4500 ) while the one in hardy doesn't
[17:09]  * eagles0513875 swears at cups
[17:09] <dmorar> eagles0513875: believe me, the UNIX/Linux world is far advanced on networking
[17:09] <dmorar> ok, sharing cups is an easy thing
[17:09] <eagles0513875> dmorar: gotcha im still working on lpi certification and now getting into the server aspects of linux
[17:13] <jmux> shadyzay: I would guess not, as the videodriver-abi version has increased
[17:18] <wo0f> hi
[17:19] <wo0f> i am just about to install that standard kubuntu release (kde3)
[17:19] <wo0f> when will kde4 be part of the main release?
[17:19] <wo0f> and will it update cleanly from kde3?
[17:19] <wo0f> (cheers for help in advance)
[17:21] <jmux> shadyzay: but the driver package should build for hardy, as I have backported a video-intel 2.4.1 to a 1.4.1 xorg server from Debian, which is the same version as the one in hardy
[17:22] <afeijo> damn, my FF3 dont open, he say that I have another one in use, but I just turned on my PC
[17:25] <jussi01> afeijo: try ctrl+esc and kill any ff processes
[17:25] <afeijo> there is none, I checked with htop and killall
[17:25] <afeijo> I just turned on my machine :/
[17:26] <afeijo> ctrl+esc open kmenu
[17:27] <shadyzay> jmux: how easy is it for me to build it from source?
[17:29] <jmux> shadyzay: have you ever build a deb package?
[17:30] <shadyzay> jmux yes
[17:32] <shadyzay> jmux: should I just get the intrepid source package and build it on my system?
[17:32] <joshuajtl> hey folks, I need to run the latest photoshop, would it be best to dual boot (i currently only run ubuntu) windows or osx and run photoshop or would using a virutal machine be just as good?
[17:33] <tekteen> virtual machine may be too slow
[17:33] <tekteen> I would dual boot
[17:33] <jmux> shadyzay: I simply had to lower some dependencies in control an rebuild
[17:34] <shadyzay> ok I'll try it
[17:34] <shadyzay> jmux thnx
[17:40] <wo0f> when will kde4 be in the current supported release?
[17:42] <lantjie> hey woof i am working with kde4 man
[17:42] <nordag> imho: kde4 sucks
[17:43] <wo0f> mmm
[17:43] <nordag> (till now)
[17:43] <lantjie> no it desn't suck
[17:43] <wo0f> if i install the kde3 iso, when kde4 becomes part of the main repo, will it update cleanly?
[17:44] <lantjie> yes
[17:44] <wo0f> cool
[17:44] <wo0f> and would it update cleanly from the kde4 remix iso?
[17:44] <lantjie> it works great but i love gnome more
[17:44] <nordag> but do yourself a favour and run the live-cd first
[17:46] <lantjie> yes run the live cd first and if you love it than you can install it
[17:47] <nordag> but dont just look at it, it looks great, yeah ... you should USE it for daily work (afap)
[17:48] <wo0f> nordag: why would that be a favourable thing to do?
[17:49] <nordag> cause imho its not ready for daily use yet. give it a try :)
[17:52] <lantjie> nordag do you know how to setup a chilli hotspot?
[17:54] <wo0f> nordag: ok cheers.
[17:54] <wo0f> (Y)
[17:56] <lantjie> woof do you know how to setup a chilli hotspot
[17:56] <nordag> lantjie: nope, my wrt54gl supports it, but i never tried
[17:56] <lantjie> oke do you know what it is
[17:56] <lantjie> ?
[17:57] <wo0f> lantjie: i do on my router
[17:57] <wo0f> not in kubuntu
[17:57] <lantjie> oke
[17:59] <lantjie> which certification is the best to do know guys?
[18:00] <HamishTPB> Can anyone tell me if there is merchandise and advertising materials with Kubuntu on them - all I can find in canonical shop is Ubuntu stuff
[18:00] <nordag> do u want to install it on your ubuntu-client?
[18:01] <lantjie> yes
[18:01] <nordag> hm, why? :)
[18:02] <nordag> HamishTPB : why dont your print them yourself?! :)
[18:02] <HamishTPB> nordag: yes - seems like I will have to take that route :)
[18:03] <nordag> let us participate with your results :)
[18:03] <lantjie> becuase i want the best certification on my chilli hotspot
[18:04] <HamishTPB> nordag: in fact - since I need to  customise posters and stuff I think that is probably the best option
[18:05] <HamishTPB> nordag: thanks :)
[18:05] <HamishTPB> sometimes the simple answer is best
[18:06] <nordag> indeed :) u should post your tshirts at ubuntuforums
[18:07] <nordag> lantjie: checked the online-faq for chilli?
[18:24] <ubuntu> ηι
[18:25] <Agent_bob>  
[18:26] <rickest> !ru
[18:26] <rickest> !gr
[18:48] <Agent_bob> i have a dir that mc can't operate in.  (locally:  not mentioning the fact that mc can't handle dirs with too high of inode count over fish)
[18:48] <Agent_bob> so is this a bug that i should report ?
[18:49] <afeijo> to run a program from anywhere (konsole, run command) I just need ln in init.d ?
[18:50] <Agent_bob> afeijo can you elaborate ?
[18:51] <afeijo> hi Agent_bob :)
[18:51] <afeijo> Agent_bob: to run ies4linux, I need to type its full path, isnt it better to add it to be executed from any folder? init.d is what I need?
[18:52] <Agent_bob> afeijo init.d is NOT what you need
[18:52] <Agent_bob> export PATH=    is what you need.    you need to add the path to the executable to your users path variable
[18:53] <Agent_bob> afeijo you can view the path variable with this command.  echo $PATH
[18:54] <afeijo> ok :)
[18:55] <Agent_bob> it can be set from the command line or from any of the common runtime configuration files   /etc/profile /etc/bash_bashrc <system wide) ~/.profile ~/.bash_bashrc ~/.bashrc ~/.bash_profile <user only)
[18:56] <Agent_bob> afeijo unlike that other os   linux does not default to $PWD or $HOME as part of the path.    so you may be in the dir with an executable but it's still not in your path.
[18:56] <afeijo> Agent_bob: thats it! Unlike windows that in the current folder, it works, so I always need to use ./file
[18:57] <Agent_bob> afeijo that decision was a "safty" precaution.
[18:57] <tekgeeklt> !grub
[18:57] <afeijo> so I just edit my .bash and add $PWD to path? cool
[18:57] <Agent_bob> afeijo if you wish to disable that safty feature you can add  ./ to your path.
[18:58] <Agent_bob> $PWD and ./  will always be the same.
[18:58] <Agent_bob> as $HOME and ~ will also
[18:58] <afeijo> oh, nice
[18:59] <afeijo> PATH="./:$PATH"
[18:59] <afeijo> on my .profile
[18:59] <Agent_bob> afeijo yes
[19:00] <Agent_bob> although it's safer to put it last and not first
[19:00] <afeijo> changing :)
[19:01] <llama_> crap - I just overwrote my /etc/profile.d/java.sh - how do I get it back?
[19:02] <Agent_bob> llama_ reinstall the package that put it there ?
[19:02] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3942
[19:03] <Agent_bob> useful in determining what package put a file where...
[19:03] <afeijo> but why not add a link to init.d ? a lot of progs are there
[19:04] <llama_> Can someone just post their /etc/profile.d/java.sh for me? it should be the same - I even know what it looked like
[19:04] <Agent_bob> afeijo because /etc/init.d/ is the location of system initialization scripts.  has nothing to do with the user
[19:04] <Agent_bob> llama_ why not do it the way i said ?
[19:05] <afeijo> Agent_bob: if I add a lot of folders to my path, will not that be a bit heavy?
[19:05] <llama_> Agent_bob: because - I don't want to reinstall all of Java and any thing else that put content in the file just for 4 lines of exports
[19:05] <Agent_bob> afeijo don't add a lot of them.   centralize the executables.   that's what /usr/local/bin is form
[19:05] <Agent_bob> for.
[19:06] <afeijo> oh, ln there than :) Got it
[19:06] <Agent_bob> llama_ fair enough.
[19:07] <afeijo> llama_: that file is specific for each machine or you could get it from other user in #java ?
[19:07] <afeijo> *from #java
[19:08]  * Agent_bob doesn't use java
[19:08]  * afeijo dont even like java :)
[19:08]  * genii sips some java
[19:08] <Agent_bob> genii only in !es  :)
[19:09] <genii> hehe
[19:09] <llama_> ok
[19:09] <Agent_bob> so this dir that mc cant operate in,  any thoughts on it ?
[19:10] <Agent_bob> i think the name of the dir is either ^M  or \r   take your pick...
[19:10] <Agent_bob> mkdir '
[19:10] <Agent_bob> '
[19:11] <Agent_bob> mc can go in and look at the files in it. but any action only spits me back out of the directory
[19:15]  * Agent_bob wonders how to set '^M' as the home dir ...
[19:15] <Agent_bob> http://ubuntu.pastebin.us/3946
[19:15] <Agent_bob> :)))
[19:20] <genii> Devious
[19:22] <Agent_bob> litterally
[19:22] <Agent_bob> #Devious /De´vi·ous/ (?), a. [L. devius; de + via way. See Viaduct.] 1. Out of  a straight line; winding; varying from directness; as, a devious path or way.  2. Going out of the right or common course; going astray; erring; wandering;  as, a devious step. Syn. -- Wandering; roving; rambling; vagrant. --  De"vi*ous*ly, adv. -- De"vi*ous*ness, n.
[19:23] <lantjie> do you guys know how to untar and install i tar.gz file
[19:24] <lantjie> ?
[19:24] <Agent_bob> install no. untar yes.    tar -xf filename
[19:24] <Agent_bob> it will guess the compression
[19:24] <genii> lantjie: tar -xvzf filename       in this case since tar.gz
[19:25] <emilsedgh> lantjie: tar xf file.tar.gz
[19:25] <Agent_bob> genii sense about 2003 or 2004 compression switches are not needed on extract command.
[19:25] <genii> Agent_bob: I still use the z or j switches, habit
[19:25] <Agent_bob> and omitting the dase is just plain bad habit.
[19:25] <Agent_bob> dash
[19:26] <emilsedgh> lantjie: you should install programs using the adept manager (Menu->System->Adept Manager)
[19:26] <Agent_bob> genii nothing wrong with it.   just not needed any more
[19:26]  * genii tries to get used to the idea
[19:26] <emilsedgh> lantjie: but if you want to install a program using source, please be aware that its a little bit harder.you need to ./configure --prefix=/usr;make;sudo make install if the program is a standard/normall FOSS application
[19:27] <Agent_bob> or use it's install.sh script maybe
[19:27] <Agent_bob> !b-e | lantjie
[19:27] <mefisto__> you might need to install build-essential too
[19:29] <bobbo85> What application handles my "Document Print Status?"  When I checked adept, I had nothing installed when I searched "Print"
[19:30] <Agent_bob> !cups
[19:36] <Agent_bob> it seems that it's mc specific.   thunar can operate in dir '^M'  as well as normal shells and even konqueror (althought konq says that both '%' and '~' are recycled)
[19:36] <bobbo85> Thanks Agent_bob i had to restart cups to fix the problem - a doc was stuck "processing" in the queue
[19:37] <Agent_bob> so that's two things that i have found wrong with mc...   but i still like mc!  what's wrong with me?
[19:39] <Agent_bob> i'll install gentoo and test it.
[19:41] <Agent_bob> odd gentoo seems to have some issues with that dir  but not a total 'autoexit' like mc has.
[19:42] <Agent_bob> lets see what else to try ????  nautilus?
[19:43] <Agent_bob> nautilus handles it ok.
[19:43] <micromanc3r> hello people I've installed my first linux 2 days ago and I'm kind a noob as you'll see l8r ...and I need a litle help...I have a laptop-VBI hel80 with geForce7600go-so I wanted to install a driver for geforce...I think that kubuntu did it automatically but it was not "in use" so I checked the box "in use" and I had to restart pc...but after that the graphic behaved strange...everything flickered and so... so I was trying som other packages
[19:44] <Agent_bob> !nv
[19:45] <Agent_bob> that page "might" have useful info micromanc3r
[19:46] <genii> Probably any dir name which equates to first 31 ASCII  will behave unexpectedly
[19:46] <genii> Agent_bob: Probably any dir name which equates to first 31 ASCII  will behave unexpectedly
[19:47]  * genii goes in search of more coffee
[19:47] <micromanc3r> ubottu I'll give it a try thx
[19:47] <micromanc3r> xD
[19:48] <Agent_bob> genii i'll make more dirs and test... :)))
[19:49] <genii> Agent_bob: A quick list for reference of what code is ^<whatever> http://www.bbdsoft.com/ascii.html
[19:52] <Agent_bob> genii hehhe ok.  i have a local file too  but i'll ues that one. :))
[19:52] <LuYu> does kopete require kwallet to save passwords?
[19:53] <Agent_bob> LuYu i think so.  but im no 'spert on that.
[19:53] <kruk> hallo?
[19:53] <LuYu> it prompts like 3 times for a password every time it logs on
[19:53] <LuYu> i usually use pidgin
[19:53] <kruk> sorry, it was just test.
[19:54] <LuYu> but the person i built the system for cant, so im using kopete
[19:54] <LuYu> but i can see what she means
[19:54] <LuYu> those popups are really annoying
[19:54] <Agent_bob> kruk
[19:54] <LuYu> also, if you cancel the password prompt, it still logs in
[19:54] <LuYu> :0
[19:55] <Agent_bob> LuYu does turning off all that stuff in konqueror stop it in kopete too ?   just asking.
[19:55]  * Agent_bob hasn't seen a popup window literally in years now.
[20:02] <genii> LuYu: http://www.kde-forum.org/artikel/12373/kopete-how-to-stop-kopete-using-kwallet.html
[20:03] <LuYu> thank you
[20:03] <LuYu> :)
[20:04] <genii> np
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> Hi all. I want to tunnel _all_ of my internet connections into one ssh tunnel.
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> Is there anybody who can help me?
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> I can ssh to a remote server
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> I get a little success with ssh -D 9999 and proxychains, but that isn't tunnel's everything
[20:10] <MetaMorfoziS> i think i need an interface somehow, that do this, then i need to route everything via that device
[20:22] <adi> hi all
[20:23] <Agent_bob> adi
[20:23] <adi> does anyone know where goes flash installed for konqueror 4.1.1
[20:23] <adi> the file .so of flash for konqueror..
[20:24] <Agent_bob> !kde4
[20:24] <adi> for firefox it goes on /usr/share/lib/plugins
[20:24] <Agent_bob> maybe ask in there ^
[20:24] <adi> ok thanks
[20:25] <mefisto__> adi: you'll find it at /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so and various other places
[20:25] <Agent_bob> i tried to change my name to black magic   but it seems that you can't have latin words as names on freenode   or at least not that one.
[20:26] <adi> ok thanks
[20:27] <adi> mefisto | so to make konqueror play flash I need to install file .so in /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree   ?
[20:27] <mefisto__> adi: it should be installed there
[20:28] <adi> ok thanks :)
[20:29] <mefisto__> adi: locate libflashplayer.so     will tell you where it is (keep in mind some will just be symlinks)
[20:29] <afeijo> hi folks, how can I check which port are been monitored by a app like 143 and 110?
[20:30] <Agent_bob> netstat -a ?
[20:30] <zabbadapp> will *buntu 8.10 repos have the new versions of i.e. VLC (0.9.2), eclipse (3.4), gimp (2.6.0), etc? Version refreshes are a bit far apart at times. (Eclipse is still 3.2 i 8.04).
[20:31] <afeijo> close, I need to find out why my pop and imap isnt working, so what programs I have running?
[20:31] <Agent_bob> or  netstat -an
[20:31] <afeijo> too much data on that one! :)
[20:32] <Agent_bob> too much data ????  </blinks>       | filter it
[20:32] <afeijo> I did used grep, no imap or pop on the list
[20:34] <afeijo> I need to set a email server, I have postfix running, so I need smtp, pop3 and imap.  I did try several times with courier, didnt work... I will try now with dovecot
[20:34] <afeijo> I'm pretty lost on that stuff ATM :(
[20:34] <afeijo> I had try a lot of sites with tutorials
[20:34] <afeijo> I dont even need SSL
[20:35] <Agent_bob> normal port is 25 so netstat -an | grep ':25 '  should catch it....      netstat --continuous --protocol=inet -n #maybe
[20:36] <Agent_bob> man netstat #even
[20:37] <hariharakadan> Hello. :)
[20:37] <Agent_bob> hariharakadan
[20:37] <hariharakadan> Yo.
[20:38] <hariharakadan> Just got Kubuntu installed on my PC. :)
[20:38] <Agent_bob> oh i'm sorry.
[20:39] <hariharakadan> No worries. How's it going?
[20:39] <Agent_bob> what took you so long anyway?
[20:39] <hariharakadan> lol
[20:39] <Agent_bob> :)
[20:39] <Agent_bob> !help
[20:39] <hariharakadan> I was downloading and pausing so I didn't go over my limit
[20:39] <hariharakadan> I went over it by 200 mb finishing kubuntu when the FAP was suppose to reset
[20:40] <hariharakadan> So now it's thorttled to something worse then dial up
[20:40] <Agent_bob> some people have band-width issues...   i have band-narrowness problems...
[20:41] <bluesceada> hi
[20:41] <bluesceada> so how much space takes a typical kubuntu installation with openoffice etc.
[20:41] <Agent_bob> only thing worse than dialup is ....    well there isn't anything worse.
[20:41] <hariharakadan> I'll take anything over this.
[20:41] <genii> bluesceada: About 2.2 to 2.5 Gb
[20:41] <hariharakadan> Hughes Net is by far the worst ;p
[20:41] <bluesceada> it's a t42 with 40gb.. and windows might still be needed for some tasks..
[20:41] <bluesceada> genii: wow, with openoffice etc.?
[20:41] <genii> bluesceada: Yes
[20:42] <Agent_bob> bluesceada yeah 3g should catch it.  but you always want some "wiggle room"
[20:42] <bluesceada> yeh i know
[20:42] <bluesceada> my debian installation here is at 11gb with all the stuff i need :S
[20:42] <afeijo> Agent_bob: do you use mail server? which one?
[20:42] <bluesceada> ok there is stuff like Matlab etc.
[20:42] <bluesceada> but that's like 1gb
[20:43] <Agent_bob> i'm up to 9.7G on this install.   been adding to it for 3 years now.
[20:43] <Agent_bob> afeijo i don't use mail, cause i don't exist.
[20:43] <afeijo> oh sure
[20:43] <Agent_bob> no really i don't.
[20:43]  * genii cleans out Agent_bob's /var/cache/apt/archives
[20:43] <bluesceada> hmm
[20:44] <bluesceada> so i guess 3gb should not really be enough
[20:44] <Agent_bob> genii heh. i can't even rm /var/cache/apt/archives/*    list too long.
[20:45] <Agent_bob> bluesceada the installation wont take all of 3g  but like i said you always want some "wiggle room"   so 6-8g should be comfi
[20:46] <bluesceada> Agent_bob: and you got like 9.7g i meant ;-)
[20:46] <Agent_bob> bluesceada i could easily clean out 4g of package cache and have 5.7g used.
[20:46] <Agent_bob> bluesceada without affecting anything.
[20:46] <bluesceada> damn why must 80gb laptop drives still be too expensive (at least cant be justified to pay that money)
[20:47] <antoine> Heureusement que c'est pas rancunier un kubuntu ^^ Je viens de lui mettre un while fork(); dans la tête et il marche toujours impec' ^^
[20:48] <Agent_bob> bluesceada i also have 9 desktop environments installed +koffice +open-office +++....
[20:48] <bluesceada> 9.. i dont know of 9 for linux O.o
[20:48] <bluesceada> gnome,xfce,kde,enlightenment? others are just wms ?
[20:48] <bluesceada> and yeh openoffice would be needed too
[20:49]  * Agent_bob lists:  blackbox,fluxbox,twm,icewm,xfce4,fvwm,gnome,kde,errrr i'll have to look...
[20:50] <mefisto__> Agent_bob: so what gets the most use?
[20:50] <Agent_bob> the console
[20:50] <mefisto__> cop out
[20:51] <Agent_bob> i did actualy start a gui today, testing file managers with odd named dirs.    today was an exception.  normally a gui doesn't get started.
[20:51] <Agent_bob> but there are few things that i do, which i can't do from the console...
[20:52] <Agent_bob> editing photos is about the only thing that i actually "need" a gui for.
[20:54] <Agent_bob> mefisto__ i think your question deals with which would be my favorite though.  and that would probably be blackbox
[20:54] <Glady> u seem to had success in editing
[20:54] <afeijo> I have a broken package and I cant remove it or install anything else :(
[20:54] <Agent_bob> afeijo don't --force it just use a bigger hammer on it.
[20:55] <afeijo> lol, how?
[20:55] <Agent_bob> afeijo i mean   sudo dpkg --force-all -P <packagename>
[20:55] <Agent_bob> followed by sudo apt-get install -f
[20:56] <afeijo> didnt work
[20:56] <Agent_bob> show error
[20:56] <afeijo> ERR: config file missing
[20:57] <afeijo> invoke-rc.d: initscript courier-imap, action "start" failed.
[20:57] <Agent_bob> afeijo that was on the dpkg command or the apt-get ?
[20:57] <Guest74030> i need help
[20:57] <ninjafury> hi ya, is it possible to create a symlink that passes options to a program?
[20:57] <afeijo> dpkg
[20:58] <Agent_bob> ninjafury not that i know of.
[20:58] <Agent_bob> afeijo and it completed anyway ?
[20:58] <Agent_bob> afeijo that's what the --force-all is for
[20:58] <afeijo> if I run that command again, same error
[20:59] <Agent_bob> pastebin full output
[20:59] <Agent_bob> !pastebin
[20:59] <Agent_bob> !info pastebinit
[20:59] <ninjafury> Agent_bob: trying to startup a terminal program automatically by putting a symlink in ~.kde/Autostart. Need to pass options though, whats an alternative that lets me do this?
[20:59] <afeijo> http://pastebin.com/d22c0f51a
[20:59] <Agent_bob> ninjafury don't use a symlink use a script
[21:00] <Agent_bob> ninjafury what ever you would type in the terminal to do the job put in a text file and make it executable
[21:00] <ninjafury> Agent_bob: how would I make it executable?
[21:01] <afeijo> ninjafury: chmod +x filename
[21:01] <afeijo> to run, ./filename
[21:01] <afeijo> or type sh filename
[21:02] <Agent_bob> afeijo he's looking for chmod
[21:02] <afeijo> as I mentioned :)
[21:03] <ninjafury> thanks guys, will try it out
[21:03] <Agent_bob> afeijo sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/courier-imap.postrm . ;sudo dpkg -P --force-all courier-imap
[21:04] <Agent_bob> afeijo you can make that script not set -e   and it will probably work.
[21:04] <afeijo> file moved, but same error on dpkg ! :(
[21:04] <Agent_bob> not same error
[21:04] <Agent_bob> look close.
[21:04] <Agent_bob> afeijo sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/courier-imap.prerm . ;sudo dpkg -P --force-all courier-imap
[21:04] <Agent_bob> not same command either ^
[21:05] <afeijo> I copy paste your hole line
[21:05] <Agent_bob> ummm not your name but the rest of it.
[21:05] <afeijo> yeah, from sudo to the rest :)
[21:06] <Agent_bob> yeah
[21:06] <afeijo> could I edit manualy dpkg package list file?
[21:06] <Agent_bob> don't forget to run,  sudo apt-get install -f  #after that dpkg line.
[21:07] <afeijo> I just did, twice, same errors !
[21:07] <afeijo> it try to install courier-imap, and fail
[21:08] <Agent_bob> afeijo ok pastebin the full output  apt-get and dpkg     'time to get serious with this thing"
[21:08] <Agent_bob> i want to see all you console has for the last three of four pages.
[21:09] <afeijo> http://pastebin.com/d302bee9f
[21:11] <micromanc3r> pls how can I turn on disabled graphic driver(nvidia) from console?
[21:13] <Agent_bob> afeijo we will use a dirty hack to "work around" this problem#   sudo mv /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d / && sudo ln -s /bin/true /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d && sudo apt-get install -f && ( sudo rm /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d ;sudo mv /invoke-rc.d /usr/sbin )
[21:14] <afeijo> wow, apt-get install -f now reports no problem :)
[21:14] <Agent_bob> afeijo if that finishes successfully,  please file a bug report on the courer-imap package.
[21:14] <afeijo> thanks, youre a magician
[21:14] <Agent_bob> i know.
[21:14] <afeijo> I will
[21:15] <afeijo> lol
[21:15] <Agent_bob> :)))
[21:15] <afeijo> now I can try again with courier or dovecot... near 1 week fighting to set a mail server, it shouldnt be that hard
[21:15] <Agent_bob> afeijo ffr  you dont need the sudo command when already root.  and    "why are you in /etc ?"
[21:16] <Agent_bob> anyway,   remove the two script we copied there.   both are courier-imap.*
[21:17] <Agent_bob> but if you use that wild card use -i
[21:17] <micromanc3r> anyone? pls how can I turn on disabled graphic driver(nvidia) from console?
[21:17] <afeijo> I know I dont need to sudo :) I was on /etc becose I was backuping courier folder
[21:17] <Agent_bob> rm -i  <<< interactive  safe deleting.
[21:18] <afeijo> Agent_bob: there is only one courier-imap.postrm
[21:18] <afeijo> removed with -i
[21:18] <Agent_bob> afeijo ok.  it still doesn't need in /etc/  :)
[21:18] <afeijo> cd
[21:20] <eee> Limewire? download?
[21:21] <eee> or do it exist other ver/mod for LimeWire
[21:22] <_2> afeijo "word to the wise" when running as root, always stay out of dirs that a slip could cause a reload.  ;/     it takes a little more typing but if you miscue. you don't hose the whole system.
[21:23] <eee> Hello limewire? Kubuntu?
[21:23] <john__> -.-
[21:23] <Agent_bob> !limewire
[21:23] <Agent_bob> !p2p
[21:24] <eee> Tnx
[21:24] <Agent_bob> !frostwire
[21:24] <Agent_bob> eee welcome     ^
[21:24]  * genii watches ubottu whirl
[21:24] <BraveSpear> Has ScorpKing been on today?
[21:24] <micromanc3r> Agent_bob? pls can you help me if you have a second? how can I turn on disabled graphic driver(nvidia) from console?
[21:24] <eee> Tnx bob
[21:25] <Agent_bob> micromanc3r i really don't know.   i can point the bot in your dirrection and fire though.
[21:25] <Agent_bob> !nv | micromanc3r
[21:26] <Agent_bob> genii well if they put all that on one infonode i wouldn't have to call so many of them.
[21:27] <genii> Agent_bob: Yes, true
[21:29] <Agent_bob> afeijo i don't like to pull out the big guns until we have tried normal methoods, but i have had to do far worse things to "unbreak" dpkg on my own systems... so i kinda learned how to "use a bigger hammer" on it.  ;/
[21:30] <afeijo> that was very usefull! saved my day :)) I saved all those commands for future need
[21:30] <x_link> Hi!
[21:30]  * Agent_bob kept dpkg broken the first year on ubuntu...
[21:31] <vasilisa> GAH
[21:31] <Agent_bob> off and on that is ^
[21:31] <x_link> The sound on my laptop didn't work before, so somebody here gave me a link to fix it.
[21:31] <vasilisa> i installed an ATI driver from their site and now my colors are inverted in 3d graphics
[21:31] <x_link> But I don't remember the link.
[21:31] <x_link> My laptop is a Lenovo N200 and I use Kubuntu Hardy.
[21:31] <Agent_bob> !sound | x_link maybe
[21:31] <Agent_bob> one of those ^ ?
[21:32] <vasilisa> id very much like my colors to stop looking like purple ooze.
[21:32] <Agent_bob> lol  purple ooze    hehhe
[21:32] <x_link> Agent_bob: It's not that, it's somebody else.
[21:32] <vasilisa> :< i was learning to program in 3d too
[21:32] <DrX> why would smb://... work in nautilus but not in mount -t smbfs and cifs fail in nautilus and mount -t cifs?
[21:32] <Agent_bob> x_link k sorry.
[21:32] <x_link> Cause I remember that I had to add something to /etc/alsa-tools or something.
[21:32] <vasilisa> I thought maybe shadows were flickery because i needed a new proprietary ATI dirver
[21:33] <vasilisa> so  i got one and now it looks... stupid
[21:33] <vasilisa> like purple and green, except for the area just around the camera o.o
[21:34] <Agent_bob> vasilisa if no one in here steps up to help you can always try in #ubuntu  and even in ##linux     propriatery drivers are out of my "gk"relmn
[21:34] <vasilisa> im asking all over, lol
[21:34] <Agent_bob> k
[21:38] <micromanc3r> is there a way how to enable a nvidia driver? pls :(
[21:39] <micromanc3r> it's installed but not active and kubuntu is starting only like console
[21:39] <afeijo> what tree command does?
[21:39] <afeijo> micromanc3r: xstart dont work?
[21:39] <_2> afeijo  tree - displays directory tree, in color
[21:40] <afeijo> installing :D
[21:41] <vasilisa> why are my 3d graphics screwy? I just installed a brand new ATI proprietary driver.... was trying to fix a glitchy shadow in a program of mine, and now all the colors are inverted. Any ideas?
[21:42] <_2> afeijo i get no colour out of it tho. ;/
[21:42] <mefisto__> vasilisa: did you use aticonfig?
[21:42] <afeijo> its in color here ! :)
[21:42] <vasilisa> no... let me look
[21:43] <mighty-d> hI
[21:44] <mighty-d> Im experiencing problems with a 32 bits box and 4 GB RAM, i am running 2.6.24-19-server and i have checked for PAE and everything seems in order, can you help me please?
[21:44] <_2> mefisto__ i guess my $LS_COLORS is not set
[21:45] <x_link> Hi
[21:45] <x_link> Isn't there anybody that can help me with my soundcard?
[21:45] <x_link> I'm supposed to add a line like "options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1 model="lenovo"
[21:45] <x_link> I'm supposed to add a line like "options snd-hda-intel single_cmd=1 model="lenovo" in my /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base. But that line should be a bit longer.
[21:45] <afeijo> _2: why did you changed nick ? avoiding credors? lol
[21:45] <x_link> Something is missing.
[21:45] <_2> mighty-d ummm high mem  or is it  big mem  has to be on at compile time iirc   you might check that.
[21:46] <x_link> afeijo: Me?
[21:46] <afeijo> no, _2 is Agent_Bob
[21:46] <x_link> Okey.
[21:46] <x_link> Nobody?
[21:46] <_2> afeijo isp reset.
[21:46] <afeijo> my sound allways works automatcly, sory
[21:46] <afeijo> _
[21:46] <afeijo> oh
[21:46] <johannes_> hi... what's the channes for the greman kubuntu support?
[21:46] <afeijo> _2: I just needed to clean my dpkg, that courier is a danger
[21:47] <x_link> mm
[21:47] <mighty-d> _2, wait..
[21:47] <afeijo> that was a no pacient man (x_link)
[21:47] <_2> the very reason i have more than one nick registered to begin with is that my isp will every so often,
[21:47] <afeijo> _2: change isp
[21:48] <_2> afeijo i have.   it common on dialup.
[21:48] <afeijo> _2: where do you live?
[21:48] <_2> errr  ummm   well....
[21:48] <_2> actually i don't exist. so i can't say.
[21:49] <afeijo> where is your central plexus?
[21:49] <_2> the middle of the world
[21:49] <afeijo> damn, courier corrupted again!
[21:49] <afeijo> _2: pakistan? lol
[21:49] <_2> close enough
[21:49] <mighty-d> _2, HIGHPTE=y, RESOURCES_64BIT=y, HIGHMEM64G=y, VMSPLIT_3G=y
[21:50] <_2> mighty-d hmmm ok   got me there.
[21:50] <_2> mighty-d  #kernel   maybe ?
[21:50] <mighty-d> _2, ok thanks a lot
[21:50] <_2> mighty-d sorry i can't do more.
[21:50] <vasilisa> nope aticonfig didnt fix it
[21:51] <mighty-d> _2, thanks a lot
[21:52] <mefisto__> vasilisa: and you restarted X after aticonfig?
[21:52] <vasilisa> mefisto__: Yes... it seems to only happen in irrlicht
[21:52]  * _2 idles and lurks for a while.
[21:52] <johannes_> #kubuntu-de
[21:53] <johannes_> sry i forgett how to change the channel...
[21:53] <hariharakadan> Hm, how does one enable extra repositories in Hardy?
[21:55] <mefisto__> vasilisa: irrlicht? german?
[21:56] <vasilisa> mefisto__: Its a graphics engine :)
[21:56] <vasilisa> im learning 3d
[21:57] <mefisto__> lol ok. I was going to look it up to find what it means
[21:57] <vasilisa> its a lot like the quake 3 engine
[21:58] <vasilisa> not doing me much good now tho
[21:58] <eee> love this forum
[21:58] <mefisto__> vasilisa: so the weird colours only happen in irrlicht?
[21:58] <genii>  /quit
[21:58] <vasilisa> mefisto__: Maybe. it doesnt seem t ohappen in crystalspace programs...
[21:59] <mefisto__> vasilisa: do you have the catalyst control center for ati? you might be able to play with settings there
[22:00] <vasilisa> mefisto__: tried that one
[22:03] <BleSS> hi!
[22:04] <BleSS> does anybody has changed to kde 4.0?
[22:04] <gm04030276> how do i enable synaptic driver settings in system settings? I have it installed and working but it keeps loosing its settings on reboot
[22:04] <BleSS> how has been the change?
[22:05] <DrX> what's the best (fastest, most likely to survive an error) way to copy files from one drive to another?
[22:06] <MetaMorfoziS> cp -a?
[22:06] <gm04030276> DrX cp -perv <from> <to>
[22:06] <gm04030276> p for preserve permissions, e for...i can't remember, r for recurrsive and v for verbose
[22:06] <DrX> --recursive
[22:07] <gm04030276> oh, i will ask you before over writting file in the destination
[22:07] <gm04030276> -i i mean :)
[22:07] <DrX> it barfed on the e, do you mean -pirv?
[22:08] <DrX> it didn't do the r either
[22:09] <DrX> it only copied the files in the root
[22:09] <gm04030276> oh, no, i meant u, -purv. u means to update so if your coping a new file accross it will over write an old one
[22:09] <gm04030276> you need the -r to go down through all the folders
[22:10] <gm04030276> -purv is the one i defaultly rattle off when im doing cp's but type man cp and you can see the options and choose what you need
[22:10] <DrX> it's working, what was that about the i?
[22:10] <gm04030276> !man
[22:10] <DrX> got it, nice.  is cp always the best way to go?
[22:11] <mefisto__> DrX: there's also tar
[22:11] <gm04030276> well, that or rsync...they're pretty much the same i think...take exactly the same set of options aswell...-purv :)
[22:12] <gm04030276> tar won't move them tho, only tar them...though i suppose you could tar them to the other place...that could work...depending on what your doing with the files once you have coppied them...if you want to backup then actually tar maybe a better way to go
[22:15] <gm04030276> yea, so persistant synaptic options anyone?
[22:15] <DrX> rsync, huh.  that raises an interesting question.  I have a server with a hardware SAS RAID controller and it won't allow you to copy the contents of even a single drive to another drive as a backup (the way you could with PATA drives).  How can I backup the data on my Linux OS drive so that, in the event of a failure, I can initialize a new drive in the RAID controller and put the configuration and data back?
[22:16] <DrX> would tar work for that?
[22:16] <jerry__> has support for windows mobile 6 came out yet?
[22:16] <mefisto__> gm04030276: you mean synaptic doesn't keep the changes you make in preferences?
[22:17] <DrX> I'm really concerned about open files and the impact of the RAID controller drive signature...  how do I make sure tar doesn't restore the OLD RAID signature?
[22:18] <zabbadapp> what could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a cuple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime.
[22:18] <monstro> the Kubuntu 8.10 is live cd?
[22:18] <monstro> the Kubuntu 8.10 is live cd?
[22:18] <monstro> oops
[22:18] <gm04030276> mefisto__: Yip! when i restart my tap to click is back on...and i don't like it!
[22:18] <monstro> Hi all,
[22:18] <monstro> help me
[22:19] <gm04030276> monstro:yes it is
[22:19] <monstro> gm04030276, is possible install and run on cd?
[22:20] <monstro> gm04030276, ?
[22:20] <gm04030276> monstro: yes, the live cd has an installer on it too
[22:21] <monstro> gm04030276, oh yes
[22:21] <monstro> thanks
[22:21] <gm04030276> :)
[22:24] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu 8.10 Beta Released, install or upgrade to help us test 8.10 **
[22:26] <regital> hey
[22:26] <regital> im on kubuntu 8.04, installing the kubuntu 8.10 beta
[22:26] <regital> ive ran into some problems here
[22:27] <regital> i get error messages saying "Sorry, the package "update-manager" failed to install or upgrade" for example
[22:27] <regital> now to me that sounds like a decent problem
[22:28] <regital> so i could use some help
[22:29] <regital> brb
[22:33] <serafeim> hallo to everybody!
[22:33] <serafeim> i have just installed kubuntu
[22:33] <serafeim> my laptop is Amilo PA 2510
[22:33] <serafeim> Fujitsu siemens
[22:33] <serafeim> the Fn keys dosn't work
[22:34] <serafeim> can i solve this problem?
[22:38] <dougb> why is the kubuntu 8.10 disk a DVD?
[22:39] <serafeim> i have downloaded, it's a cd
[22:45] <dougb> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/intrepid/beta/ this only shows DVD's
[22:46] <serafeim> you are right, sorry
[22:46] <serafeim> i don't know why
[22:48] <stefan__> moin
[22:52]  * rupprich is away: wesch
[22:53]  * rupprich is away: Gone away for now.
[22:53]  * rupprich is away: Gone away for now.
[22:53]  * rupprich is back.
[22:56] <DrX> cp -
[22:56] <DrX> now that the cp is done, how do I compare the result?
[23:00] <afeijo> I installed dovecot, no errors, but I cant connect on ports 110 and 143, maybe some protection? how can I check it?
[23:00] <afeijo> with telnet it says: Connection refused
[23:00] <afeijo> I'm localhost
[23:18] <afeijo> damn, my dovecot dont work!!!
[23:19] <DrX> hmmm... so my cp didn't cp everything... how do i figure out why & how do i fix it?
[23:30] <kc8pxy> I'm halfway familiar with ubuntu, but this is going to be my first kubuntu install. is there a simple way to setup a sw raid 1/10 in the installer?
[23:32] <serenity> hi
[23:33] <serenity> what's the best way to upgrade from hardy on intrepid?
[23:33] <serenity> -on +to
[23:39] <Linux_Galore> Im finding Intrepid to be pretty snappy speed wise
[23:41] <swanki__> hay some body come from Poland??
[23:42] <micro> hi
[23:43] <swanki__> how instal firefox on ubuntu
[23:45] <Linux_Galore> swanki__: use your package manager and select firefox
[23:46] <micro> does anyone know why my kwin occures an error at startup?
[23:46] <Linux_Galore> kwin is the window manager, its usually a graphical setup error that is forcing it to crash
[23:48] <micro> ok now the ksirc crashed...
[23:49] <ahmos> hi, is there a script or something to show video files in thumbinail like pictures?
[23:50] <Linux_Galore> micro: check your settings, I suspect you have turned something on thats causing conflicts, usually something in look and feel
[23:51] <Linux_Galore> micro: the other trick is to create a new user account and see if the machine is stable with the default settings
[23:52] <Linux_Galore> micro: you can also run sudo ksysguard and check for processes chewing up resources
[23:52] <Linux_Galore> crashed processes can also cause stability problems
[23:53] <Linux_Galore> micro: the real problem is I dont know what you have changed or done so I can never be certain
[23:55] <micro> Linux_Galore: yesterday i checked in my hardware driver manager "enabled" for nvidia accelerated graphics driver (latest cards)....after that I have changed some appearence,desktop and window behavior settiings...
[23:56] <Linux_Galore> micro: the nvidia thing wont be a problem, the appearance changes may have triggered a buggy theme etc
[23:56] <Linux_Galore> micro: do you have compiz running ?
[23:57] <Linux_Galore> ie do you have effects turned on ?
[23:57] <Linux_Galore> I usually dont turn effects on as it has a habbit of creating problems
[23:57] <JuJuBee> ﻿Can someone help me  understand how the pannel at the bottom of kde4.1 works?
[23:58] <JuJuBee> ﻿I added some widgets, but can't put them where I want to?  How do I move them?
[23:58] <LordCrc> hi
[23:58] <Linux_Galore> JuJuBee: you have to unlock it first then click on the half moon thing to the right
[23:59] <Linux_Galore> then everything can be moved with a simple drag and drop
[23:59] <LordCrc> i got a 8.04 livecd, is there a way to install the 8.10 beta using it? or should i just install 8.04 then upgrade?
[23:59] <micro> I don't think I have compiz runnig...but I'm not 100% sure :/
[23:59] <donald_> hi all