[00:27] !en [00:27] The #ubuntu, #kubuntu and #xubuntu channels are English only. For a complete list of channels in other languages, please visit http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat [00:50] Where can I find more information on the ``Expert'' installation mode? [00:51] <`Matir> Why does flash on 64 bit constantly seem to break? === KB1OHY_Rich is now known as KB1OHY [01:01] `Matir: Because getting flash to run on x86-64 requires us to trick it into thinking it's running on IA32. [01:02] <`Matir> RAOF, yeah... makes me almost tempted to run an i386 install in virtualbox just for flash... be annoying though === stevie is now known as vorian [01:04] /help [01:05] ignore me [01:58] hey guys.. got a bit of an issue I'm hoping someone can help with - I've updated to 8.10 and now glipper clipboard manager crashes 100% of the time because it depends on libffi4 but 8.10 uses libffi5 - can anyone tell me how to compile from source with libffi5 instead of libffi4? [01:58] (I know how to compile from source, just need to know what arguments to pass to ./configure or whatever it is I need to do for the libffi5 modification) [02:00] it'll need more than just configure arguements [02:01] And the correct action is to file a bug, so we can fix it! :) [02:01] it's already been filed, and I added a +1 to the bug report :) [02:01] bruce89: what more will it need? sorry, I've only ever compiled apps with default params so I don't know how to custom compile (yet!) [02:02] Probably it will just need a rebuild, actually. [02:02] you can get a list of params if you do ./configure --help :) [02:02] I've tried just installing libffi4 but I get an error saying Dependency unsatisfiable: gcc-4.2-base [02:02] Right. [02:02] * Hobbsee notes that glipper doesn't actually depend on libffi4 anymore. [02:02] is glipper installed from source? [02:02] where, exactly, is your package from? [02:02] heh I tried ./configure --help before coming in here and couldn't make heads or tails of the output ;) [02:03] http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy/libffi4 [02:03] Hobbsee: I've just installed from Universe, and it fails to run because it can't find libffi.so.4 :) [02:03] RAOF: oh, run. Right. [02:03] yeah the current build depends on libffi4 but 8.10 has libffi5 [02:03] don't use Hardy packages in Intrepid [02:03] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glipper/+bug/257052 is the launchpad thread for this issue [02:03] Launchpad bug 257052 in glipper "glipper crashed with ImportError in ()" [High,Triaged] [02:03] and their fix works for most people but not for me [02:03] RAOF: in a rather oblique way, it seems to depend on it somehow. [02:03] Indeed it does. [02:04] through Python [02:04] Hobbsee: Heh. [02:04] RAOF: do you wnat to fix it, or will i? [02:04] if you fix it, i can accept it :P [02:04] Hobbsee: The reason the package doesn't depend on libffi4? Because the dependencies are broken :) [02:05] I don't suppose any of you guys have a copy of libffi.so.4 for x64 that you could e-mail me? :) [02:05] ah. [02:05] Someone didn't realise that python:Depends isn't magic, it seems. [02:05] l337ingDisorder: actually fixing it might be a better solution. [02:05] Oh, wow. Why isn't this #ubuntu-motu :) [02:05] can't you just make a symlink to point to the new libffi, you know, trick it [02:06] heh agreed but I don't have the prowess to fix something like this at this point in my linux career ;) [02:07] RAOF: because a user found it? :) [02:07] Hobbsee: And I'm fixing it :) [02:07] RAOF: excellent, thank s:) [02:07] I can't mount a working usb drive [02:07] RAOF: Think this'll be a quick fix? (ie, within the next 10 mins or so?) or should I try a workaround for tonight? [02:08] tim is usbmount installed? [02:09] l337ingDisorder: Oh, it'll be quick, but it won't fix your system until it's published, built, etc. [02:09] ... [02:09] It will be in a sec [02:09] l337ingDisorder: it'll take at least an hour. probably 2. [02:09] ok and how lond should I expect the publishing/building process to take? :) [02:09] ages [02:09] there is a beta freeze on I think [02:09] Stay seated like a sofa. [02:09] oh pfff that's nuthin, it takes me that long just to roll a joint! [02:10] bruce89: sure, but i can let things thru that. [02:10] wow [02:10] RAOF: can you send me the .deb before publishing? Or will that break the internet? ;) [02:10] k usbmount is installed [02:10] it's not putting "google" into google [02:10] heheh [02:10] Aaand it's time to send this bug upstream to Debian. [02:10] that show is so awesome [02:11] RAOF: ack, that sounds like bad news.. [02:11] Oh, no it isn't. [02:11] oh, sigh. launchpad's broken again. [02:11] so is my network card ;) [02:11] "Dear fire brigade, I would like to inform you that a fire has just broken out --- no, too formal..." [02:11] It just means that it'll get fixed in Debian and synced to Jaunty. [02:12] ah [02:12] 01189998811991197253 [02:14] no luck [02:15] wait [02:15] Intrepid Ibex [02:15] Jaunty Jaundice? [02:15] lol [02:15] Jaunty Jowels [02:15] Jaunty Jalopniks [02:15] or my name [02:15] Jaunty Justin [02:16] Jaunty Jaguar [02:16] that'd be pimp [02:16] or Jaunty Jackal [02:16] there could be a Canada-specific release called Jaunty Jay [02:16] or a bloat-ware release called Jaunty Jellyfish [02:17] and an Australian release called Jaunty Joey (baby kangaroo) [02:18] so at this point, RAOF, should I just sit tight and stop pestering you, knowing that when I wake up tomorrow there'll be an update to the repositories and I can just install the intrepid glipper? Or should I check back with you in an hour or so and have you DCC a .deb over to me to get around any potential beta freezes? [02:19] l337ingDisorder: glipper is in Universe (and isn't shipped on any of the xubuntu/etc CDs). There's no beta freeze for it. [02:19] RAOF: poke me when you get an accepted mail for it, please :) [02:19] Hobbsee: I shall. [02:19] well, a "waiting for something or other" mail. [02:20] When will ubuntu beta be released? I'm looking forward to test it but I'm afraid of alpha ;) [02:20] I think it's scheduled for tomorrow [02:21] or today, Thursday to be precise [02:21] hmm, nice [02:21] Aw, man. Glipper's so orphaned in Debian. [02:21] um, beta was scheduled for a week ago or so wasn't it? === edgy_ is now known as edgy [02:21] well, where can I see it? [02:22] RAOF: does that mean I'll be able to get it from the repository tomorrow, or that I should check back with you later? :) [02:22] sorry, don't mean to be a pest.. just on the slower end of the learning curve ;) [02:23] l337ingDisorder: It should be available tomorrow. [02:23] awesome! thanks :) and I'd just download it through synaptic? (Or will update-manager do all the legwork for me?) [02:23] * RAOF wonders why glipper calls dh_mkshlibs but not dh_shlibdeps. [02:23] l337ingDisorder: The latter; it'll be an update. [02:23] freakin excellent [02:24] dude you probably get this a lot, but I wanna have your children. ;) [02:24] * l337ingDisorder drops to his knees, faces east, and starts making gibberish prayers in the name of RAOF [02:25] l337ingDisorder: synaptic and update-manager are the same thing after all [02:25] good to know :) I figured update-manager was just an app that called on synaptic [02:25] they are both apt frontends [02:26] Man. Glipper adds licence headers in a patch. [02:26] ouch? [02:26] Ya. [02:26] i can't begin to tell you the frustration that has been caused by something as seemingly insignificant as a broken clipboard manager... knowing it's being addressed just makes my day :) [02:26] RAOF: upstream has been quiet for 6 months [02:26] * RAOF rebuilds, this time with an actual call to dh_shlibdeps [02:27] what is the issue anyway> [02:27] bruce89: glipper has an unspecified dependency on libffi4, which we no longer ship. [02:28] * RAOF ponders adopting glipper in Debian. [02:28] bruce: actually that's not specifically my issue.. on the launchpad there's a workaround involving a libffi4.deb package that seems to work for most folks, but when I run it I get "Error: Dependency not satisfiable: gcc-4.2-base" [02:29] but it seems moot now as RAOF is a super hero :) [02:29] Test [02:29] libffi being brought in by the python-gnome bindings [02:29] RAOF: you know you want to :) [02:29] No, actually. Direct dependence on libffi, because it's a python extension module. [02:30] l337ingDisorder: well, it's usually not a good idea to try and use thsoe "fixes", because they usually don't work. [02:30] or break your system in other ways. [02:30] but not actually specified package wise [02:30] heh [02:30] fair enuf [02:31] the fun of libraries [02:31] hmm the last time I saw the words "fun" and "libraries" in the same sentence it was Frosh week [02:31] and it involved many cans of silly string [02:32] interesting thing to call it [02:32] ok back to Beginning Linux Programming [02:32] thanks for the help guys! [02:33] RAOF: ESPECIALLY thanks to you for taking up the task of squishing this bug! :) [02:35] If I wanted to allow another user to run an X programs on my display (say my DISPLAY were :1003) but not allow all users to do so how would I allow that specific user and only that specific user to do so? [02:56] wtf... connection failed, connecting to PulseAudio. [02:56] Oh, I see.. PulseAudio isn't running. [02:56] it's been like that for ages [02:57] well, a week [02:57] Yeah, it randomly decides to quit because it's idle.... [02:57] sounds like a lazy bum, to me. [02:58] is there a reason KDE4 is now the default KDE; despite it being unbearably slow with proprietary drivers many use [02:59] Because it's shiny and new? [02:59] Also, because that's where upstream development is. [02:59] people would moan if it weren't in Intrepid [02:59] they'd also moan if it wasn't the default. [02:59] Hirato: surely that's a reason for not using propriatery drivers? [03:00] I apologize for loving my 3D games then :P [03:00] Hirato: For what it's worth, KDE4 is lightning fast with the nouveau drivers ;) [03:00] I'm aware that KDe4 is at a minimum of 200x faster with the nv driver when compared to nvidia :P [03:00] in my opinion at least ^^ [03:01] but really, I love my snazzy compositing effects and 3D games :) [03:01] gnome works for me :P [03:01] The -177 drivers have some tweaks to accelerate things that KDE4 uses a lot. [03:01] kstars seemed gey slow on intel hw [03:02] I'm using the absolute newest beta drivers available, I assure you, most click still take 5 seconds to trigger a response :( [03:04] * bruce89 wonders why people refer to stable releases by their first name, but unstables by their second [03:07] I don't suppose maknig KDE4 the default is a scheme to force nvidia to improve their drivers :D [03:11] I wish. [03:11] hmm having a hard time playing a raw avi [03:11] Well, at least s/improve/give the nouveau guys some documentation/ [03:11] nblracer: What's a "raw AVI"? :) [03:12] no codec, no compresstion [03:12] evening folks. can someone help me with some math formula? I need to calculate interest compounded daily but I have no idea how to do that [03:12] IdleOne: google is your friend [03:12] nblracer: Ah, an avi file containing a raw stream. [03:12] td123: indeed :) lemme search [03:13] IdleOne: stuff like that just has a formula, you don't need to think about it [03:13] IdleOne: thats easy [03:13] IdleOne: Alternatively, your mathematics textbook should have the answer ;) [03:13] Or at the very very least, they could fund the nouveau developers by giving them hardware, or something. [03:13] ask google. =þ [03:13] RAOF: I have not been in school for over 15 years [03:13] DanaG: Specs would be better; they've actually got plenty of hardware. [03:13] IdleOne: Ah. This _isnt'_ as a part of a maths assignment? :) [03:13] =p(1r/c)^*rc) [03:13] Aah. [03:13] RAOF: mine doesn't :/ you get past a point (hopefully) where the books don't have to include that formula in the book :D [03:14] RAOF: lol nope [03:15] i was told to bring my question about the nvidia drivers and intrepid into here; the 177 drivers failed, so I'm attempting again with the 173 drivers in a bit [03:15] DanaG: Also, having the support of nvidia might get others to fund actual full-time developers; see, for example, ati. [03:15] clma.mo? /me wonders where that is. [03:15] lol i wnt from 100% charge to 5% in 9 min [03:16] Capacity: 69% (Poor). [03:16] Nice. [03:16] I feel like 8.10 alpha is alot more stable then 8.04 was at this stage... what are your thoughts? [03:16] Just watch out for that Intel NIC issue. [03:16] ... and if you have nvidia 96 drivers... it sucks. [03:16] s/have/need/ [03:16] DanaG: :P unless my vm has it, I don't have to worry [03:17] RAOF: it says i dont have the resources [03:17] suprisingly, virtualbox + winxp + 8.10 seem to run queit smoothly [03:17] yeah i'm waiting for that intel issue to get fixed before i install [03:18] nblracer: Sorry? What says you don't have the resources (to do what?) [03:18] quite [03:18] interest compounded daily, i'm sure wikipedia should cover that [03:18] both vlc and the default video player [03:19] jStefan: your reaction time is scary [03:19] just under 10 minutes :P [03:19] it plays when i'm in windows, so the computer should be able to handle it [03:19] nblracer: Oh, your raw avi? [03:19] yea [03:19] What's the error message? [03:19] Terminal output? [03:19] (etc) [03:21] quick poll, if you have ubuntu on a drive shared with another os, what % of the drive do you have reserved for ubuntu? [03:21] 40% [03:21] windows usually has games which are huge :) [03:21] and i keep my programming/development/other stuff in linux [03:21] jStefan: 100 * 15/160 (hey you didn't say to calculate) [03:22] * DanaG once ran into an MP3 file that was all screwed up... it was like somebody stuck a bit of an HTML file in a duplicate set of ID3 tags. [03:22] Codemaster: same :D [03:22] It had ID3 ..... garbage..... ID3 .... actual data. [03:23] Codemaster: only reason I still have windows is counter strike and ruckus, otherwise, I use only open source on windows... besides windows too of course [03:23] so you have 15gb out of 160? [03:23] jStefan: yes, for ubuntu [03:23] jStefan: you'll be quite surprised when you don't have games/music stored on your harddrive [03:23] this is a brand new 500gb, i took 400gb for windows, the rest is waiting on intrepid [03:24] yea ubuntu dont need much [03:24] i do the same [03:25] and store my photos and vids on ntfs/windows [03:25] that way i have accesses to them in windows [03:25] yeah files which "can" be used on both (music/photos), i put on the ntfs drive [03:25] If the intel nick issue isn't fixed before release will Intrepid still use 2.6.27 ? [03:25] Jordan_U: probably not [03:25] i have two linux-only machines, one windows-only and a hybrid laptop [03:26] Codemaster: what is linux-only about the windows-only one ;) [03:26] the only two issues i have with 8.10 so far are (a) nvidia driver issues and (b) slower boot [03:26] i have 1 dual boot, 1 windows only, for myself. soon both will be dual boot [03:26] linux-only for my IRC/web browsing/programming machine [03:26] windows-only for gaming, IMing, music, etc [03:27] although i really like amarok [03:27] Codemaster: same, only thing keeping me back is ruckus and counter strike (which have no solutions to my problems on linux :/) [03:27] * DanaG wishes the KDE4 amarok were more like the KDE3 amarok. [03:27] cedega? :/ [03:27] then i have my mom using ubuntu alone, and my dad's laptop with ubuntu too. his desktop is vista thou :( [03:27] KDE4 amarok sucks. [03:27] My parents are too stubborn to switch from Windows XP. [03:27] Codemaster: Don't feel like paying, at all [03:27] tell them to use Mojave [03:27] :P [03:27] DanaG, i forced my mom to use ubuntu after the last virus infection [03:28] Actually, among my dad's and mom's computers (one for each), they've only ever had like 1 virus infection one time. [03:28] jStefan: the last time I put Ubuntu on my parents computer, they didn't notice anything lol :P they said, ooo, nice background and didn't say anything else [03:28] td123, :D [03:29] * Hirato ponders at to why ubuntu had to tinker with his network settings [03:29] i just refused to fix the computer, if it was going to have windows again [03:29] looks like Hirato is in for a surprise [03:29] Can you use Photoshop Elements in Wine? [03:29] i dont hate windows, but i've already had to reformat that computer many many times [03:29] yeah, my apache server is down because my network IP mode swictehd to DHCP again [03:30] Hirato: Network-manager ignores /etc/networking/interfaces now [03:30] instead of staying at my manuals etting of 10.0.0.50 [03:30] DanaG, i suggest you consult the winhq DB [03:30] * DanaG has two computers on each of two pools of dhcp leases... [03:30] One is 192.168.1.x, the other is .2.x. [03:30] I've given each range 100 addresses to work with, so thanks to the hash function in dnsmasq (on the dd-wrt router), each NIC essentially ALWAYS gets the same IP address. [03:30] that explains it [03:31] Hirato: You can configure manual ip's in network-manage now though [03:31] i will eventually need to move my ubuntu partition to unpartitioned spaec on another drive, without affecting existing partitions on the 2nd drive. Any ideas? [03:31] oh lovely, "Hardware Drivers" doesn't even show the 173/177 drivers anymore... [03:31] I think I'll go to gnome, and suffer sound problems, KDE4 is too slow to enjoy [03:32] DanaG: iirc, Wine 1.0's requirement was to run photoshop [03:32] Hirato: What sound problems are you having? [03:32] Hirato: ya, kde 4 still has to come out with a newer version like 4.2 before I even consider [03:33] * DanaG wishes Pulse 0.9.12 wouldn't keep QUITTING. [03:33] It actually quits when idle... even though it's never been told to do so. [03:33] Lazy bum. [03:33] =þ [03:34] it's mostly stuttering of some kind [03:34] the "configuring network interfaces" is where most of my boot time is, it seems. [03:34] although I have WICD installed :x [03:35] I think it has to do with the frequency of the playing audio, as 22050hz plays fine, while 44100hz staggers a bit instead of palyign smoothly [03:35] Codemaster: Try removing WICD then, network-manager does it asyncronously IIRC [03:35] danag dmesg? [03:35] hm [03:35] Jordan_U: it seems to block, though [03:35] NetworkManager can now do System Settings... that is, networks it will auto-connect to, even before X is up. [03:36] then again, i have had problems with my 4965AGN i think the model is [03:36] i get random Microcode SW Errors [03:36] :( [03:37] * DanaG sometimes gets the device randomly disabling its interrupt. [03:37] It's rare... but it happens. [03:38] Intel wireless is best for Linux? .... not when I resume from sleep, and sit there for over 30 seconds before NetworkManager (and iwlist) can even see any networks. [03:38] lol [03:38] DanaG: what alternative with free drivers do you recommend? [03:38] the irony is, i tossed mac on my laptop (intel wireless and intel wired) and neither work [03:39] mneptok: Atheros [03:39] Jordan_U: "free drivers" [03:39] Apple doesn't use Intel. [03:39] They're into closed-source. [03:39] yu[ [03:39] They use only Atheros and Broadcom. [03:39] yeah [03:39] mneptok: ath{5,9}k [03:39] i just found it amusing [03:39] atheros is OSS isn't it now? [03:39] no. [03:39] I put my Hackintosh partition somewhere as a dd'd image, because I really don't like OS X. [03:40] ... and I needed the hard drive space back. [03:40] yeah, im not fond of it either [03:40] Quick, resize the left edge of a window! [03:40] it's a computer on training wheels, from my experience [03:40] Oh wait......... you can't. [03:40] mneptok: How are ath5k and ath9k not free? [03:40] haha yeah :| [03:40] i like going up to my mac friend's laptop, holding shift and tapping F11 rapidly [03:40] and grinning [03:40] * DanaG goes off to hit "Enter" to rename files... because that makes lots of sense. =þ [03:40] mneptok: sure? http://www.figuiere.net/hub/blog/?2008/09/30/632-atheros-driver-is-free-at-last [03:41] burner: some are, most are not. [03:41] DanaG: because shift + f11 makes it do expose --- in slow motion [03:41] and it queues [03:41] Jordan_U: the 5 and 6 series, yes. anything else, no. [03:41] s/6/9/ [03:41] * mneptok queues the Hendrix [03:42] wtf happened to my SCIM? [03:42] It won't work. [03:44] Oh, for some reason, selecting an input method only works with the RIGHT mouse button. Go figure. [03:44] My next laptop... will have a 3-button touchpad and a 3-button pointy-stick thingy. [03:44] Synaptics calls it a TouchStyk. [03:44] ah [03:45] a joystick mouse or ? [03:45] It's the eraser thingy. [03:45] ah that [03:45] I prefer touchpads, though. [03:45] Some might call them "nub" mice. [03:45] XKCD calls them all sorts of things... but forgot about "eraser". [03:46] And I just call it a pointy-stick thing. [03:46] lol [03:46] i usually say nub [03:46] unicode is fun.... "nüb" [03:46] =þ [03:47] Oh yeah, and that 'tongue' is the 'thorn' character. [03:47] £€€T > 1337. [03:47] * DanaG finishes the randomness... now. [03:48] how do i go about typing unicode in in a GTK+ interface [03:48] i know in windows i can do alt + random keys [03:50] woo [03:50] 173 seems to work, [03:50] is skype + pulseaudio fixed yet? [03:50] maybe i'll see if i can fuss around and get 177 again [03:51] maccam-sager: works here, has always worked here [03:52] td123: since when? [03:54] maccam-sager: nvm, I haven't tried it on 8.10, I keep forgetting this isn't ubuntu [03:55] so you think removing WICD will remove the blocking of networking connections on boot? [03:56] td123: did you try it with 8.04, or are you on a different distro [03:56] :) seeing a big nvidia logo and "BETA DRIVER" makes me feel good [03:56] maccam-sager: it has always worked with 8.04 with me without hassle [03:56] td123: with other audio programs playing? [03:57] maccam-sager: can't remember :/ but I remember no problems at all the times I've used it, but then again I never have audio programs open when I'm talking on skype :P [03:58] i had problems with flash and skype running at the same time [03:58] at the time it was an acknowledged problem with skype and pulseaudio [04:01] now that i removed wicd, let's test the boot time/blocking [04:04] doesn't seem so [04:07] seems "configuring network interfaces" still blocks and is NOT async [04:07] :\ [04:10] * DanaG gets hangs on "Loading hardware drivers" for the first two boots in any while of not having the system on. [04:18] maccam-sager: With asounconf set-pulseaudio you can create a virtual alsa device that you can tell skype to connect to ( since it doesn't use default like it should ) [04:19] gotcha [04:20] Jordan_U: network-manager doesn't connect async [04:20] it still blocks [04:21] wow, the azureus-support channel deserves a Godwin's Law comparison... [04:21] beyond that, things are alright [04:21] you hit a key one extra time and get three letters instead of two... and it kicks you for repeating characters. [04:21] lol [04:21] so you get kicked for a "whoops, sorry" thing [04:22] Then, if you try to rejoin... you get a 5-minute ban. [04:22] yeish [04:22] wow [04:22] * DanaG fires a V-2 rocket at them. [04:23] DanaG: Have you ever tried talking on #xkcd-signal ? [04:23] Somebody else join that channel and holler about that, perhaps -- but don't repeat a character 3 times. [04:23] Nope. [04:23] now i want to find a ridiculous word that has a triple letter and use it in a sentence in there [04:24] Or perhaps "bookkeepers" [04:24] i suppose i could stress the i on finally [04:24] "fiiiinally...." [04:24] No, that's not it. [04:24] The thing was, "torrents" has two 'r' already. [04:24] So, you hit the key one extra time... bam. [04:25] hmmm [04:25] nice new network manager :) [04:25] what is this "system setting", though [04:26] you're now unblocked, DanaG [04:26] i said hmmm and it didn't kick me... [04:28] i like this new network manager so far :D [04:29] yeah i used alpha 6 briefly on my laptop and i saw both VPN and 802.1x support in it [04:29] very important on a college campus ;-) [04:29] yup [04:29] * Codemaster is in college, too [04:29] VPN is <3 [04:29] however, it doesnt seem enabled? [04:30] ah, i see [04:30] network-manager-openvpn [04:31] i thought i saw it on my livecd [04:33] vpnc? [04:33] It may be that instead of openvpn. [04:33] yeah [04:33] idk [04:33] i saw it on the list when you click the nm-applet [04:33] hi! is the current version of ubuntu using the new graphical look? [04:34] DanaG: it can use either it seems [04:34] oh sexy [04:34] the connection manger imported my OpenVPN file, even [04:34] <3 [04:50] mEck0: I am not even sure if there will be a "new look" for intrepid :( [04:51] i've only noticed minor UI changes [04:51] but nearly wanted to kiss the developers for the new network manager [04:51] * DanaG likes PulseAudio 0.9.12 (from ppa)... when it's not being lazy and quitting, or being sucky and crackling. [04:52] :) [04:52]