bdmurrayevand: quitting a only ubiquity install takes me to a full desktop is that expected?00:30
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evandbdmurray: if you quit the installer, you mean?01:49
evanderr yeah, that's what you said :)01:49
evandyes, it's expected01:49
bdmurrayevand: 'kay, thanks01:54
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sorencjwatson: lp:~soren/tasksel/limit-section You like?09:33
CIA-50tasksel: cjwatson * r1377 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog tasksel.pl): merge from lp:~soren/tasksel/limit-section09:36
cjwatsonsoren: WFM09:37
sorenGreat. Thank *you*.09:38
CIA-50oem-config: cjwatson * r534 oem-config/ (debian/changelog oem-config-firstboot): Log messages from update-rc.d rather than throwing them away.10:08
davmor2xivulon: wubi still has no backdrops for Xubuntu or Kubuntu during install was that something that couldn't be fixed?10:58
xivulonavmor2 haven't tested kubuntu yet11:00
xivulonmore importantly I had a chat with cjwatson yesterday, and he submitted a patch reverting the umountfs changes11:01
xivulonwould be good if you could test those changes as I will be able to do so only tonight11:02
davmor2cool so it should unmount cleanly now?11:02
davmor2cjwatson: did that fix get into the re-re-re-rolled cds from yesterday?11:02
xivulondon't think they are in the ISO yet, you will probably have to patch /etc/init.d/umountfs manually11:02
cjwatsonI just sent them to xivulon by mail11:03
xivuloncjwatson a paste would do I guess11:03
xivulondavmor2 all yours :)11:03
davmor2right so in time for rc then or the day after beta is released :)11:04
xivulonI did test similar changes (my version offline) and it worked well, should be almost identical to the above but did not have a chance to compare/test yet11:05
cjwatsonday after beta if it works for somebody11:07
davmor2I has kubuntu wubi installing now what do I need to do?11:09
cjwatsonafter it's installed, apply that patch to /etc/init.d/umountfs, then reboot and see if it's clean11:12
davmor2cjwatson: Right never applied a patch is it a magic command line thing or just swapping the file out?11:14
cjwatsonwget -q -O- http://paste.ubuntu.com/53153/plain/ | sudo patch /etc/init.d/umountfs11:17
davmor2it's installed now just booting up11:17
cjwatsonyou'll need to install the patch package first11:17
xivuloncjwatson no chance to have the patch in for beta?11:17
davmor2cjwatson: thanks :)11:17
cjwatsonxivulon: ^-11:17
davmor2xivulon: we will not re-test again ;)11:17
xivuloncjwatson I guess it will be okish if people will get it via updates11:18
cjwatsonxivulon: there was no possible way you could have expected it to get into beta when it wasn't tested until the day of beta11:22
davmor2patched rebooting now11:22
davmor2cjwatson: It' worked,  do you want it rebooting again just to be sure?11:24
cjwatsononce is fine11:25
cjwatsonI'll upload that, thanks11:25
xivulonthanks a lot11:26
cjwatsonthat doesn't mean it's in for beta - the beta CDs have already been rolled11:26
xivuloncjwatson I assume that if it is in the archive people will get it on first update, correct?11:27
cjwatsonxivulon: once it's built, yes11:27
xivulonthis should minimize tickets11:27
* davmor2 scurries off to write down patch info 11:27
xivulonCan we edit the release note caveats and suggest people to update?11:28
cjwatsonfeel free11:31
cjwatsonI assume they're on the wiki, haven't looked yet11:31
cjwatsonbut really, people running the beta will be upgrading anyway11:31
xivulonyep should be fine11:32
xivulonthanks a lot11:32
xivulonsuperm1 will test the preseed tonight11:45
xivulondavmor2 can you remind me of the backdrop bug #?11:47
davmor2only now both xubuntu and Kubuntu have no backdrop whereas Ubuntu does11:50
xivulondavmor2 not sure that one is in wubi domain11:53
xivulondavmor2, when you tested ntfs syncio, was that booting from a normal intrepid installation12:11
davmor2yes I did an install along side of xp and tested12:13
davmor2I think let me double check12:13
davmor2xivulon: no I did it on both wubi and an install if memory serves but definitely an intrepid install I used it to check m-a12:15
davmor2xivulon: Why?12:18
xivuloncking asked12:35
xivulonI guess he was checking whether it was a loop issue rather than an ntfs one12:36
davmor2cjwatson: why is the default hostname ubuntu on alternate even on a kubuntu and Xubuntu installs?  is it just a individual package that is used across all the desktops, he guesses wildly hoping to be right.13:54
cjwatsonthe latter, and because it's not especially clear to me that it's worth changing13:55
cjwatsonbug 12008713:55
cjwatsonI'd do it if the Kubuntu or Xubuntu developers (respectively) came to me and asked for it13:56
davmor2Okay cool I just wondered I never normally look at it13:56
davmor2just hit enter13:56
cjwatsonI don't want to do it unilaterally13:56
CIA-50debian-installer: cjwatson * r968 ubuntu/ (14 files in 3 dirs): Move ports architectures to 2.6.25-2 kernels.14:10
StevenKcjwatson: Does that mean I can NBS out 2.6.25-1?14:14
cjwatsonplease wait until (a) after beta (b) linux-ports-meta is done14:16
StevenKcjwatson: d-i is one of the steps, and is usually done after -meta, so I thought I'd ask14:17
cjwatsonStevenK: note that I have not uploaded the above change14:17
cjwatsonI was just sticking it into bzr while I remembered14:17
StevenKMmmmm, point14:18
* cjwatson goes argh at bug 27421914:30
cjwatsonI think I want a stretch to do nothing else but fix all our LVM and RAID bugs14:30
CIA-50partman-base: cjwatson * r108 ubuntu/ (choose_partition/partition_tree/do_option debian/changelog):14:47
CIA-50partman-base: Disable backup while displaying device/partition locked errors; it makes14:47
CIA-50partman-base: no sense and it can cause us to exit without closing the FIFO to14:47
CIA-50partman-base: parted_server (LP: #274219).14:47
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mathiazHi - when defining a partition recipe, what's the order of the limits ? min_size max_size priority ?16:23
cjwatsonsee doc/devel/partman-auto-recipe.txt in debian-installer16:24
cjwatson<limits>::=<minimal size>_<priority>_<maximal size>_<parted fs>16:24
mathiazcjwatson: right - however the preseed example in https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/amd64/preseed-contents.html seems to be different16:24
mathiazcjwatson: in the section about partitioning raid16:24
mathiazcjwatson: 1000 5000 4000 raid16:25
mathiazcjwatson: hm - it seems that only this line is odd - all the other examples in expert_recipe makes sense.16:27
cjwatsonpriority isn't necessarily <max16:29
cjwatsonit's a bit weird16:29
CIA-50debian-installer: cjwatson * r969 ubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Move mainline architectures to 2.6.27-5 kernels.16:29
kirklandcjwatson: TheMuso: http://people.ubuntu.com/~kirkland/Screenshot-1.png16:51
kirklandcjwatson: looks like a bug against partman-base16:52
cjwatsonkirkland: heh, looks like it16:53
kirklandcjwatson: i'm filing a bug now, will try to fix it16:53
kirklandcjwatson: another question...16:56
kirklandcjwatson: i tested an upgrade from hardy to intrepid, as I was curious what the default BOOT_DEGRADED value would be set to16:56
kirklandcjwatson: it was set to "true" which was unintended and unexpected16:56
kirklandcjwatson: I'm looking at mdadm.config and mdadm.postinst, where I have16:57
kirkland    db_get mdadm/boot_degraded16:57
kirkland    BOOT_DEGRADED="${RET:-false}"16:57
kirklandand i'd expect it to default to "false" if unset, but that's not happening, empirically16:57
cjwatsonI think you need a DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer trace16:58
cjwatsontrying to zen it will be a pain16:59
kirklandcjwatson: okay, so i'd like to simplify my test case16:59
kirklandcjwatson: intrepid install that doesn't actually have raid or mdadm installed16:59
kirklandcjwatson: so no BOOT_DEGRADED value16:59
kirklandcjwatson: and then install mdadm17:00
kirklandcjwatson: that should run the same exec path, right?17:00
kirklandcjwatson: rather than doing a full hardy -> intrepid upgrade, correct?17:00
cjwatson... maybe17:00
cjwatsonthat's not obviously the same as a hardy system with mdadm installed17:01
cjwatsonit depends on the maintainer scripts17:01
cjwatsonyou could take an intrepid install that doesn't have mdadm installed, install hardy's mdadm (if that works), and then upgrade17:01
kirklandcjwatson: okay, that sounds better17:01
persiaThere seems to be a piece I'm missing in lpia grub support, and I'm having trouble tracking it down.  Specifically, I'm failing with a DeconfError that grub-installer/bootdev doesn't exist.  While this isn't in the debconf DB, From my reading of the code, I'd expect to receive a return value of '', rather than an error.  Could someone point me at what I may be missing?17:05
cjwatsonif it's not in the DB at all then you'll get an error17:09
cjwatsonthough I'm surprised it's not in the db17:09
persiaI was a little surprised as well, given that ubiquity appears to have an extra hammer to force the setting: that's why I assumed I was supposed to skip it with a ''.17:11
* persia looks at ubiquity again, harder17:11
cjwatsoncheck /var/lib/dpkg/info/ubiquity.templates17:12
cjwatsonand also try 'echo GET grub-installer/bootdev | sudo debconf-communicate' from a terminal on the live CD17:12
persiabefore or after a failed install?17:13
kirklandcjwatson: what do the :sl1: and :sl3: mean in the templates file?17:19
kirklandcjwatson: i notice that other text with embedded %s have :sl1: and seem to be working properly...  while partman/text/raid_device has :sl3:17:21
cjwatsonthey're translation categorisations from Debian17:21
cjwatsonthey have no significance to the installer itself17:21
cjwatson%s is handled manually with printf, not by anything in (c)debconf17:21
kirklandred herring then17:21
kirklandcjwatson: the odd thing is that the only way I can actually get a literal "RAID%s" printed to screen in the installer shell is to:17:25
kirklandprintf "RAID%%s"17:25
kirklandprintf "RAID%s" %s17:25
cjwatsonwell, or anything that doesn't go through printf17:25
kirklandcjwatson: the relevant code is extracted here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/53228/17:26
cjwatsonI can't even find that text17:26
cjwatsonah, right17:27
kirklandcjwatson: partman-base17:27
cjwatsonkirkland: the 0 there is suspicious too17:28
cjwatsonprovisionally, bearing in mind I'm on the phone, I suspect buggered debconf protocol interaction17:29
kirklandcjwatson: is there a possibility that this code is duplicated elsewhere?17:32
kirklandcjwatson: partman-* is a bit of a maze to me, still17:33
cjwatsonI don't *think* so17:33
cjwatsonat the risk of being a broken record, DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer is your friend17:33
persiacjwatson: Thanks.  That was it precisely.17:34
kirklandcjwatson: :-)  sure17:34
cjwatsonpersia: hmm. what was it? :)17:36
persiacjwatson: Missing templates.17:36
cjwatsondo you know why?17:37
persiaNo, but at least I know have a path I can follow.17:37
kirklandcjwatson: the DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer goes on the kernel boot line?17:52
kirklandcjwatson: http://pastebin.com/f2265a5d0  <- partman debconf debugged18:21
kirklandOct  2 17:16:30 debconf: --> METAGET partman/text/raid_device description18:24
kirklandOct  2 17:16:30 debconf: <-- 0 RAID%s device #%s18:24
kirklandOct  2 17:16:30 debconf: --> METAGET partman/text/raid_device description18:24
kirklandOct  2 17:16:30 debconf: <-- 0 RAID%s device #%s18:24
kirklandthat's from syslog18:24
cjwatsoncan I have the full syslog? context would be good18:24
cjwatsondebconf debugging doesn't show up in /var/log/partman18:25
kirklandcjwatson: fwiw, Hardy does *not* suffer the same string formatting problem18:59
kirklandcjwatson: i debdiff hardy vs. intrepid partman-base, and didn't find a bloody glove18:59
kirklandcjwatson: i suppose I can check debconf hardy v intrepid, if you think that might be more productive19:00
cjwatsonI don't think it's remotely likely that it's a debconf fault19:01
cjwatsoncould I have the full syslog?19:01
kirklandcjwatson: all attached to that bug19:09
kirklandcjwatson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-base/+bug/27715319:09
persiaAnd now I even know why, and how to fix it.  While I'm at it, is there a reason partman-efi is built for amd64, except in ubiquity?19:10
* persia looks for amd64 bugs against partman-efi, with the intention of turning it on19:21
CarlFKcjwatson: [   38.557201]  sdb: unknown partition table19:44
CarlFKdifferent box/everything from that other box19:44
CarlFKshould I open a new bug?19:44
CarlFKmaybe the boot=?19:46
cjwatsonpersia: no, that just sounds like a bug19:50
cjwatsonCarlFK: that means that the kernel doesn't understand the partition table19:51
cjwatson(not the installer)19:51
persiacjwatson: Thanks for the confirmation.  I'll definitely fix it then, rather than continuing my search for previous bugs that would have disabled it.19:51
cjwatsonCarlFK: and fdisk doesn't seem to think it's all that great either19:51
* persia files a summary bug for tracking, and prepares a branch for pushing19:51
CarlFKcjwatson: it is similar to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/273379 - wondering if I should append logs to it or open a new bug19:53
cjwatsonCarlFK: I have no way to know19:55
cjwatsonCarlFK: if in doubt, a new bug explicitly referencing the old bug is better19:55
CarlFKwill do.19:55
cjwatsonand saying that you don't know whether it's the same bug, to fend off triagers19:55
cjwatsonit looks different, at first glance19:56
CarlFKanother issue: same box, after picking the partitions on hdc:  [File system has an incompatible feature enabled.  Compatible features are has_journal, dir_index, filetype, sparse_super and large_file.  Use tune2fs or debugfs to remove features.]19:58
CarlFKlogs: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Oct02/b/dhcp91/19:58
CarlFKpretty sure this isn't my fault..19:59
cjwatsonthat's a well-known bug :-(20:00
CarlFKneed more logs ?20:01
cjwatsonhmm, or is it, I can't find a bug where it should be (partman-basicfilesystems)20:03
cjwatsonoh, of course, bug 5962020:04
cjwatsonCarlFK: could you attach that syslog and partman to bug 59620? this is a new manifestation (ext2 with some unusual feature enabled)20:05
CarlFKwill do.20:06
cjwatsonCarlFK: 'tune2fs -l /dev/sdc1' would be good too20:06
CarlFKcjwatson: should the first be against parted or linux?20:12
cjwatsonCarlFK: linux20:13
cjwatsonkirkland: note how most of the matches for "RAID%s" are closely followed by something where the substitution *did* work20:18
cjwatsonkirkland: it's only right at the end where it went nuts20:19
kirklandcjwatson: well, i was more puzzled by the fact that that's the only screen that *doesn't* work20:19
kirklandcjwatson: lots and lot of RAID.*%s.* all over that interface that printed fine20:20
cjwatsonkirkland: I diagnose debconf protocol getting out of step, perhaps due to random stuff echoed to stdout somewhere20:20
kirklandcjwatson: i know, because I've clicked through those screens _thousands_ of times this release cycle :-P20:20
cjwatsonso the debconf protocol is command on stdin, response on stdout20:20
cjwatsonif something else witters on stdout, it can get confused20:20
kirklandcjwatson: that seems, um, fragile?20:21
cjwatsonit works :-)20:21
cjwatsonit's considered a bug, yes20:21
cjwatsonbut it's very very difficult to fix20:21
cjwatsonit's been considered a bug almost as long as debconf has existed20:21
cjwatsonfor the most part, various workarounds take care of it - for example the standard debconf shell confmodule redirects stdout to stderr so that you can't hit it by accident that way20:22
cjwatsonbut that's not altogether foolproof and accidents do happen20:22
kirklandcjwatson: so, i verified that we don't have this problem in hardy20:22
kirklandhardy.1 anyway20:22
cjwatsonI have a guess20:23
cjwatsonlet me verify it20:23
cjwatsonhmm, bad guess, never mind :)20:24
cjwatson(I thought debconf-set-selections might write to stdout)20:24
cjwatsonit does seem to be right there where it screws up though20:25
cjwatsonoh, of course20:26
cjwatsonwe pipe input to debconf-set-selections, which uses debconf ...20:26
cjwatsongo to jail, go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred pounds20:26
cjwatsonI think it might be easier to just duplicate debconf-set-selections' functionality20:28
cjwatsonwhich in this case is just writing to the logfile20:29
cjwatsonkirkland: try http://paste.ubuntu.com/53261/20:30
kirklandcjwatson: which source are you looking at?20:30
kirklandcjwatson: ah20:30
cjwatsonsorry, that was my fault, I should have known better20:30
kirklandcjwatson: okay, i'll give that a shot20:31
CarlFKcan I create a .tar with the BusyBox tar ?20:40
CarlFKpretty sure I have been told no before20:40
CarlFKUsage: tar -[zxtvO] - assuming those are the same as http://www.busybox.net/downloads/BusyBox.html there is no -c20:41
cjwatsondebian/config/config.udeb:# CONFIG_FEATURE_TAR_CREATE is not set20:43
persiaFix for bug 277225 about udebs for grub-installer/lpia and partman-efi/lpia+amd64 is in lp:~persia/ubiquity/lpia-grub20:43
CarlFKcjwatson: thanks.  I'll note that in my script for the next time I try to figure this out :)20:43
cjwatsonpersia: huh, I thought I added grub-installer/lpia already20:44
cjwatsonoh, d-i/lists. bah20:44
persiacjwatson: Yeah.  I was sure the debian/ubiquity.install-lpia was the last bit, and then found this one.20:44
cjwatsonthanks, I wrote that so should've known :)20:45
persiaAnything else you can think of?20:45
cjwatsonwell, I didn't think of this20:45
cjwatsonthat *should* be it20:45
persiaOK.  Let's hope this is good then :)20:45
CIA-50ubiquity: cjwatson * r2871 ubiquity/ (d-i/lists/lpia d-i/lists/amd64 debian/changelog): merge from lp:~persia/ubiquity/lpia-grub20:45
cjwatsonthe lp: short form is the finishing touch on this workflow for me20:46
cjwatsonfor some reason it makes a big difference20:47
persiaNot having to type the entire string?20:47
cjwatsonI guess so, though that seems trivial20:47
persiaNo, it's time consuming, and easy to get wrong.  Short is good.20:48
cjwatsonmaybe it's just that I get to use the keyboard rather than having to copy-and-paste with the mouse, and that feels better20:48
persiaI must say, that for all I'm still unhappy with the few universe or multiverse packages that use bzr packaging that I occasionally encounter, working with bzr packaging on the installer has been incredibly pleasant.20:48
persiaI find myself actually almost looking forward to proper source-package branches, although I still need to sort out performance issues.20:49
cjwatsonI wonder what the difference is20:49
cjwatsonI think it makes a big difference to be working on the same branches a lot; the worst slownesses are branching from scratch and pushing up new branches20:50
cjwatson(and the latter should be fixed once they get stacked branches working)20:50
persiaIt's also my special combination of high bandwidth and high latency.20:51
persiaI can download 1GB over a well-served torrent in about 5 minutes.20:52
persiaAnything where I can get a big TCP window, I can download fast, but the slow-start algorithm means I need a lot of bits to fill the pipe.20:52
persiabzr does lots of little transactions, which is particularly bad for me, especially at 150-200ms from LP.20:52
CarlFKcjwatson:  some how this: #3 primary   29.7 GB   K ntfs       /windows    (good)21:15
CarlFKcaused Oct  2 19:36:25 kernel: [ 3492.564405] ReiserFS: sdc3: warning: unknown mount option "umask=007"21:15
CarlFKstuff: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/Oct02/c/dhcp91/21:16
kirklandcjwatson: \o/  that fixed it21:21
kirklandcjwatson: also, i've regression tested the default-BOOT_DEGRADED-to-false-on-upgrade change I made,21:22
kirklandcjwatson: both look good21:22
cjwatsonCarlFK: sorry, it's after 9pm and I have a headache, I'm not sure I can look at this now21:25
CarlFKno prob - uploadng stuff to lp21:25
cjwatsonsomething asynchronous would be better, yes :)21:25
CarlFKpackage: installer?21:25
cjwatsonno such package21:26
cjwatsondebian-installer would be fine21:26
xivuloncjwatson can confirm that the umountfs patch works well21:42
xivulonevand, cjwatson, could you please have a quick look at cking comment on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/204133/comments/59 and let me know what you think is the best course of action about activating syncio in wubi?22:05
xivulonmy 2c is that we should turn it on, since cking is concerned about data loss (although I did not have any such report in 8.04)22:06
xivulonthe wubi delta is minimal, I only add it to the ROOTFLAGS in menu.lst if fs==ntfs, not sure about the actual impact in terms of performance22:07
xivulonin case we can remove lupin-sysctl hacks22:08
xivulonsuperm1, I see you have metalinks up :)22:12
xivulonon the dailys though the URL contains the builddate, which makes things tricky22:12
xivulonwould it be possible to have a stable URL (redirect or server side symlink)?22:13
xivulonI would also need a link for what will be the final metalink URL22:13
superm1xivulon, can you let tgm4883 know?22:15
superm1he's the one who handled all the metalink stuff22:15
superm1xivulon, so about the no networking thing - it happens in the "install only" mode on the disk too (no live env)22:16
superm1is that the same case as the regular ubuntu too?  Is network manager wrecking havock?22:16
xivulonsuperm1 can you remind me about the networking issue?22:17
superm1xivulon, network manager doesnt' start up on it's own22:22
superm1when you go into only-ubiquity or automatic-ubiquity22:22
superm1i would guess this affects Ubuntu too, but I can't tell for sure since I can't switch VTs in only-ubiquity in a VM22:22
xivulonwould not think that is an issue for wubi, except for updates22:23
superm1well it is for the mythbuntu installed wubi22:24
superm1because that means that you cant connect to your backend - which is critical for it to work22:24
xivulonah of course22:24
superm1that's the exact issue you were seeing22:25
superm1i bet it's because the init script for ubiquity is set to start before network manager's and they don't run in parallel22:25
superm1bingo.  S29ubiquity and S30NetworkManager22:26
superm1evand, was there a good reason why you chose 29 for ubiquity's init script then?22:26
xivulonI am building a new version to try22:27
xivulonthere is no i386 iso for today http://www.mythbuntu.org/devel/dailies/081001/22:27
xivulonor yesterday22:27
xivulonI'll use the 30th22:28
xivulonps rsync on the server would be welcome :)22:28
superm1xivulon, http://uk.cdimages.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso22:30
superm1that's a later one22:30
superm1what should be syncing across servers right now22:30
superm1the daily build for i386 broke yesterday i believe22:30
persiasuperm1: Which VM solution are you using?22:35
superm1persia, virtualbox22:35
superm1when i hit ctrl-alt-fX, it switches my VT of the host system even if the keyboard is grabbed22:36
persiaAh.  I have a solution for switching VTs in KVM, but not for vbox.22:36
superm1vmware grabs it fully too22:36
superm1but my box with vmware workstation is out of commission for now22:36
xivulonsuperm1 in vb it is Alt Gr + Fn22:42
cjwatsonxivulon: umountfs> cool, thanks. apparently I uploaded it and forgot about it anyway :)22:43
xivuloncjwatson, well I tested the original patch, not the actual package22:43
cjwatsonsure, but that's ok22:44
cjwatsonxivulon: syncio> seems like it makes sense to activate it22:44
cjwatsonsuperm1: 29> it needs to go before gdm22:44
xivulonI am building a new version with mythbuntu too right now22:44
cjwatsonsuperm1: NetworkManager probably needs to move a bit earlier in order to give us space for ubiquity without having to change the name :-)22:45
xivuloncjwatson in case we need to deactivate lupin-sysctl22:45
cjwatsonsuperm1: uk.cdimages is a pretty confusing name22:45
superm1cjwatson, that's the main mirror that our images start at before they get spit out22:45
cjwatsonis that United Kingdom or Ukraine? :-) (neither one has the ISO-3166 code UK)22:46
superm1cjwatson, and then we have a redirect URL that people use22:46
cjwatsonthe UK's code is GB22:46
superm1cjwatson, ah.  it should be united kingdom.22:46
cjwatsoncompare gb.archive.ubuntu.com22:47
superm1cjwatson, but our redirect URL detects where you're coming from and if you are united kingdom and the bandwidth is within limits for the month offer that mirror22:47
superm1ah i always assumed uk.archive.ubuntu.com was united kingdom too22:47
cjwatsononly due to wildcard DNS22:47
cjwatsonand the fact that the master is in the UK22:48
superm1well Daviey, see the above ^.  You want to get that DNS corrected?22:49
superm1cjwatson, is the order of resolving init scripts case sensitive?  So if NetworkManager was brought down to 29, would it resolve before or after ubiquity?22:52
cjwatsonit's C locale, in which N < u22:56
cjwatsonthough n < u anyway so case doesn't matter22:56
xivuloncjwatson have pushed rev111 for lupin disabling lupin-sysctl22:58
cjwatsonok, what happens to people upgrading from wubi beta installs if they upgrade to that version of lupin?22:59
cjwatsonxivulon: I also changed it to 0.22 not 0.21ubuntu1 - might want to use dch -iU rather than dch -i for when you're changing packages maintained natively in Ubuntu23:11
xivulonmade note23:12
xivuloncjwatson good point, as it is now I guess upgrading will be left with lupin-sysctl23:13
cjwatsonthat's probably as desired, since they won't get menu.lst changed ...23:13
cjwatsonI was worried about lupin getting upgraded but menu.lst not having syncio yet23:14
cjwatsonxivulon: could you add an explicit note about that to the changelog in case others don't follow the reasoning?23:14
cjwatsonpossibly as a comment in debian/rules too23:14
Davieysuperm1, cjwatson: UK domain noted, will sort it.23:21
kirklandcjwatson: kees was about to sponsor my mdadm changes, fyi23:25
kirklandcjwatson: if you wanted to check them first23:26
cjwatsonif it's basically just including the patch I suggested, I don't think I need to23:26
kirklandcjwatson: it does that, plus 2 more things....23:26
kirklandcjwatson: it solves the default-to-false on hardy->intrepid upgrades23:26
cjwatsonok, sure, I can have a look23:27
kirklandcjwatson: which is also a 2-liner23:27
kirklandcjwatson: and mathiaz really wanted to change the debconf text23:27
kirklandcjwatson: apologies, that debdiff contains all the po BS23:27
cjwatsonkirkland: I think that makes sense, except that your changelog comment for the root_on_raid fix is incorrect23:28
* kirkland looks23:29
cjwatsonkirkland: the problem isn't writing to stdout (that was just a hypothesis I had), it's that we're causing debconf-set-selections to read from a pipe from echo rather than from the debconf input fd23:29
cjwatsonso perhaps something like "do not pipe input to debconf-set-selections as that breaks debconf; write directly to the preseed log file instead" would be more accurate23:29
kirklandcjwatson: my bad23:30
cjwatsonI'm all for pedagogical changelog entries :)23:30
cjwatsonanyway, otherwise fine23:31
xivuloncjwatson rev 11323:34
xivulonsuperm1 can you please remind how to get the password for the backend23:34
cjwatsonxivulon: ok, you didn't need the second changelog line :-) users will see it all at once23:35
superm1xivulon, as indicated in the gui, /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt :)23:35
cjwatsonI removed it23:35
cjwatsonxivulon: uploaded, thanks23:36
xivulonsuperm1, yep nm really needs to be started up upfront23:49
superm1xivulon, i filed a bug against network manager on it23:49
superm1xivulon, too bad, that's the only gating factor from wubi working with mythbuntu with that preseed that i see23:50
xivulondo you want also a backend role?23:50
xivulonor maybe leave the question unanswered?23:50
superm1xivulon, well that's a complicated question.  you can't preseed to setup multiple drives can you - both a loop mount and a real file system?23:51
xivulonby the way mounted with syncio started copying files 1m ago'23:51
xivulonis it? hmm I have ROOTFLAGS=syncio, but cannot see any trace in /proc/mounts...23:53
xivulonnot sure how to check that23:56
superm1xivulon, because you'd have to mount the recordings partition to be on your NTFS filesystem and the install on the loop mount.  can you do that with a preseed right now?23:57
xivulonwell the ntfs partition is going to be mounted as /host, so you can preseed /host/yourpath23:58
superm1is it always mounted as /host?23:59
superm1if we preseed a path that doesnt yet exist, like C:/ubuntu/mythtv, would that get made by the installer?23:59

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