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[02:12] <kgoetz> asac: can i pm you?
[02:12] <kgoetz> not sure if your there or not either *g*
[09:23] <gnomefreak> asac: nice job on n-m if i change connection i dont have to restart anymore ;)
[09:42] <gnomefreak> asac: why am i getting email about tbird 3.0b1 being pushed back to 3.0a3 :( if you want i can foard the email to you but for the moment im gonna look for some earlier posts
[09:58] <gnomefreak> ha i couldnt send to mozilla lists due to gmail not letting gmail users to send to those lists for some reason
[10:46] <asac> gnomefreak: ok
[10:46]  * gnomefreak losing my frigging mind
[10:46] <asac> strange that gmail doesnt work for a few mailing lists
[10:47] <gnomefreak> asac: yeah i thought so to but it ws fixed now my emails are getting on lists
[10:47] <asac> cool
[10:47] <asac> finally that is over ;)
[10:47] <gnomefreak> nevermind i cant foward it. i lost the email :(
[10:48] <gnomefreak> i blame claws-mail since its giving me a headache
[11:05] <gnomefreak> god help me im gonna break something
[11:05] <gnomefreak> be back smoke
[11:23] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe you should use mutt ;)
[11:24] <gnomefreak> mutts a pain in the ass to set up lol do me a facor try to search for a package in synaptic
[11:25] <fta2> mutt rulez
[11:25] <asac> yeah... the differnce is that once you have set it up ;) ... it just works
[11:25] <asac> so it might require some initial investment
[11:25] <asac> fta2: how can i tell mutt to display multi line links like irssi (e.g. without a trailing '+')
[11:26] <asac> :)
[11:26] <asac> actually i dont want any line break to be indicated with '+'
[11:26] <asac> err long-line-break
[11:26] <fta2> you'd better add urlview
[11:27] <fta2> line breaks are different
[11:28] <fta2> set smart_wrap
[11:31] <asac> fta2: smart_wrap?
[11:31] <fta2> or just unset markers
[11:31] <asac> fta2: atm all long lines have "+" at the end
[11:31] <asac> i dont want that anymore ;)
[11:31] <fta2>   3.113. markers
[11:31] <fta2>    Type: boolean
[11:31] <fta2>    Default: yes
[11:31] <fta2>    Controls the display of wrapped lines in the internal pager. If set, a
[11:31] <fta2>    ``+'' marker is displayed at the beginning of wrapped lines. Also see the
[11:31] <fta2>    ``$smart_wrap'' variable.
[11:32] <fta2>   3.261. smart_wrap
[11:32] <fta2>    Type: boolean
[11:32] <fta2>    Default: yes
[11:32] <fta2>    Controls the display of lines longer than the screen width in the internal
[11:32] <fta2>    pager. If set, long lines are wrapped at a word boundary. If unset, lines
[11:32] <fta2>    are simply wrapped at the screen edge. Also see the ``$markers'' variable.
[11:32] <asac> yeah
[11:32] <asac> so smart_wrap=no
[11:33] <asac> and markers=no
[11:33] <asac> great
[11:33] <asac> hmm
[11:33] <asac> actually lets try only markers
[11:33] <asac> i like if line break is done for words
[11:36] <fta2> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53157/
[11:51] <asac> fta2: i think we should really add the sensible-/x-www-/gnome-www- browser alternatives
[11:52] <asac> hmm ... at least the gnome- one is missing
[12:02] <armin76> bumb
[12:46] <fta2> armin76, ?
[12:47] <asac> fta2: hmm ... x-www-browser has firefox-3.0 as alternative, but not /usr/bin/firefox
[12:47] <asac> gnome-www-browser doesnt have any ffox
[15:14] <asac> @time
[15:14] <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 02 2008, 14:14:46 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 21 hours 45 minutes
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[17:33] <bdmurray> asac: with network manager should both my wired and wireless interfaces have IP addresses?
[17:35] <asac> bdmurray: in some cases yes
[17:36] <asac> bdmurray: do you have problems with that in your setup?
[17:36] <bdmurray> asac: I only have one default route, which seems right, however I saw traffic to internet going through both interfaces.
[17:40] <asac> bdmurray: ok.
[17:40] <asac> bdmurray: thats expected behaviour according to the NM maintainer
[17:40] <asac> i will try to talk to him again and see why he thinks thats not problematic
[17:41] <bdmurray> I think its problematic, it was quite slow
[17:41] <asac> bdmurray: please file a bug with the ifconfig and route -n output attached
[17:41] <asac> (at the time its problematic)
[17:42] <bdmurray> asac: would tcpdumps help too?
[17:42] <asac> bdmurray: well. the routing table should be enough
[17:42] <asac> bdmurray: if the routing table is good, but you still get packet loss its really on low level
[17:42] <asac> maybe we need tcpcump then
[17:43] <asac> bdmurray: do both interfaces connect to same subnet?
[17:43] <bdmurray> asac: yes, both interfaces are on the same subnet
[17:54] <bdmurray> asac: bug 277063 looks similar
[17:54] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277063
[17:59] <asac> bdmurray: so thats similar
[17:59] <asac> e.g. first it works
[17:59] <asac> but repluggin wired causes package loss?
[17:59] <asac> how does the routing table look like after replugging then?
[17:59] <bdmurray> I believe I had the ethernet cable connected when booting
[18:01] <bdmurray> Yeah, they were both connected on boot and I have the issue
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[20:09] <asac> james_w: i need your help ;)
[20:09] <asac> are you still on?
[20:09] <asac> s/help/advise/
[20:09] <james_w> hey asac, I need to cook shortly, but I have a few minutes
[20:10] <asac> james_w: i wonder how well rebase works in bzr?
[20:10] <asac> i looked at loom but i think that isnt made for me :(
[20:11] <james_w> have you tried bzr-rebase?
[20:11] <asac> james_w: no thats the next thing i will do ;)
[20:11] <asac> james_w: how is the performance?
[20:12] <james_w> no idea, I've never used it
[20:12] <asac> james_w: ok. now i have the real question :)
[20:12] <asac> james_w: the nm packaging branch is full source branch which i regularly merge a branch i used to develop a ubuntu feature
[20:13] <asac> james_w: now almost everything is upstream of that and i would like to stop using that branch ... and instead use the real trunk branch
[20:13] <asac> so:
[20:13] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/network-manager/main
[20:13] <asac> thats the upstream branch
[20:13] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/main.eni
[20:13] <asac> thats the branch i used to develop the feature
[20:14] <asac> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~network-manager/network-manager/ubuntu.0.7
[20:14] <asac> thats the packaging branch
[20:14] <asac> usually i merged the vcs-import branch into main.eni
[20:14] <asac> and from there into ubuntu.0.7
[20:14] <asac> looking back probably a bad thing
[20:14] <asac> is there any way i can directly merge from vcs-import into the packaging branch?
[20:15] <asac> maybe by first making the vcs-import branch and the main.eni branch identical?
[20:16] <james_w> does just "bzr merge lp:~vcs-imports/network-manager/main" not work for you?
[20:16] <asac> e.g. bzr diff vcs-import main.eni | patch -p0 -R
[20:16] <asac> i think i had problems with that in the paste ... e.g. getting conflicts
[20:16] <asac> past
[20:16] <asac> let me check ;)
[20:18] <asac> hmm ... all fine :)
[20:18] <asac> thanks
[20:18] <asac> ;)
[20:18] <asac> james_w: ^^
[20:18] <james_w> no problem :-)
[20:18] <james_w> I've got to eat something now
[20:18] <asac> but i guess i should first eliminate any diff on main.eni ... merge that and the continue to go directlry from vcs
[20:18] <james_w> I'll be around later if you run in to any hiccups
[20:18] <asac> yeah
[20:18] <asac> enjoy
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[21:28] <asac_> @time
[21:28] <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 02 2008, 20:28:49 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 15 hours 31 minutes
[21:29] <asac_> ok i guess today wont be any luck here
[21:29] <asac_> no connection last longer than 1 minute :(
[21:29] <asac_> @time
[21:29] <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 02 2008, 20:29:41 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 15 hours 30 minutes
[21:29] <asac_> yay ... i was here for 2 times ;)
[21:30] <asac_> @time
[21:30] <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 02 2008, 20:30:16 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 15 hours 29 minutes
[21:30] <asac_> stable?
[21:30] <asac_> :)
[21:30]  * asac_ stares at the yahoo.de pings ;)
[21:32] <Nafallo> asac_: srsly? :-)
[21:32] <asac_> at least my router has a new firmware now ;)
[21:33] <asac_> Nafallo: yeah ;) ... that caused me a heart attach
[21:33] <asac_> almost
[21:33]  * Nafallo bets this new firmware didn't include NetworkManager and that's why things got stable ;-)
[21:33] <asac_> i uploaded new firmware ... doc says: "dont touch anything until thats finished (2 minutes)
[21:33] <asac_> i waited for 20 minutes ... the "not-ready" sign still blinking
[21:33] <asac_> then i pulled the power plug ... expecting that my router would be dead
[21:33] <asac_> but it wasnt ;)
[21:34] <asac_> it came up and had the new firmware version :-D
[21:34] <asac_> Nafallo: i have good news for your ... NM will allow you to change your hostname again ;)
[21:34] <Nafallo> ehrm. whatnow?
[21:35] <Nafallo> does that mean I need to stab the damn thing?
[21:35] <asac_> Nafallo: if all goes well it will use the "right" way when /etc/hostname is empty
[21:35] <Nafallo> ah.
[21:35] <asac_> :)
[21:35] <Nafallo> and /etc/hostname will NEVER EVER EVAR(!!) be empty!!!
[21:35] <asac_> Nafallo: but the death-grip patch will get removed :) ... so be prepared that eventually your hostname flips around (i hope not)
[21:35] <asac_> Nafallo: well ... in the end you can use NM gui to make it empty ;)
[21:36]  * Nafallo stabs NM gui
[21:36] <asac_> e.g. Hostname ([ ] check here to automagically guess hostname)
[21:37] <Nafallo> yea. cause NetworkManager doesn't want to get into Gnome, so they do things not to be user-friendly
[21:37] <asac_> hehe
[21:37] <Nafallo> srsly. crack is not good for programmers.
[21:38] <asac_> NM tried to be user-friendly for < 0.7 ... everybody bashed NM for that ;)
[21:38] <asac_> now it people get what they deserve :-D
[21:39] <sebner> asac_: NM just *rocks* :)
[21:39] <asac_> i agree
[21:39]  * asac_ asac-the-nm-rocker
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[21:40] <asac-the-nm-rock> ;)
[21:40] <asac-the-nm-rock> i cant use that long nick :)
=== asac-the-nm-rock is now known as nm-rocker
[21:40]  * nm-rocker is here
[21:41] <sebner> nm-rocker: what about: "asach-nm-hero" ;)
=== nm-rocker is now known as asac
[21:41] <asac> oh no
[21:42] <asac> keepnick didnt like my new name ;)
[21:42] <Nafallo> good
[21:42] <Nafallo> 21:37 < Nafallo> srsly. crack is not good for programmers.
[21:42] <Nafallo> :-P
[21:49] <asac> james_w: do you know anything about loom?
[21:52] <asac> hmm ... maybe all this doesnt make sense and i should rather go back to bzr managed quilt :(
[21:53] <Nafallo> haha
[21:53] <Nafallo> asac: dude... I'm not going to quote myself quoting myself ;-)
[21:58] <asac> Nafallo: do you guys use bzr for anything?
[22:04]  * asac loomifies NM
[22:05] <sebner> quoting myself quoting myself is a little bit schizophrenic :D
[22:09] <asac> james_w: ok. all fine. now i wonder about something like debcommit ... just parsing upstream ChangeLog changes ;)
[22:10] <asac> bzr commit -F ChangeLog wasnt that a create idea ;)
[22:25] <bdmurray> asac: I've updated bug 277063 a bit and assigned it to you.  Did you want to be assigned or subscribed?
[22:25] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277063
[22:26] <Nafallo> haha
[22:28] <Nafallo> oh
[22:29] <asac> bdmurray: subscribed is better
[22:29] <bdmurray> asac: okay, I'll switch it
[22:30] <asac> bdmurray: what is about "before"?
[22:31] <asac> does it work before repluggin?
[22:32] <[reed]> asac: so, should I upgrade one of my laptops to 8.10 beta?
[22:32] <[reed]> or wait a week?
[22:32] <asac> [reed]: look at your hardware.
[22:32] <asac> [reed]: if you have hw of bug 263555 you would end up without networking
[22:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555
[22:33] <asac> (we blacklist that module for obvious reasons)
[22:33] <asac> [reed]: wifi would work though .... but at best wait for the beta announcement and read through the errata
[22:33] <asac> if those things are something that hit you
[22:33] <[reed]> beta has been announced
[22:33] <asac> i use intrepid happily ;)
[22:33] <asac> oh :-D
[22:33] <bdmurray> asac: it works with both connected at initial boot, works after disconnecting wired, fails after reconnecting wired
[22:34] <asac> bdmurray: ok could youplease attach the same info (except daemon.log) to the bug for "before"?
[22:34]  * asac opens planet
[22:35] <bdmurray> asac: ping, route and the packet traces with both wired and wireless connected?
[22:35] <asac> yeah
[22:35] <bdmurray> alright, will do
[22:35] <asac> thx
[22:49] <asac> [reed]: do you know if the image zoom pixelated bug (EXTEND_PAD in pixmaN) is fixed trunk?
[23:07] <fta_> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18142550/error.jpg
[23:08] <fta_> from bug 154749
[23:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 154749 in seamonkey "seamonkey installer bin will not oper in ubuntu desktop ver 7.10" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/154749
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[23:11] <asac> fta: nothing works for me here :(
[23:11] <asac> @time
[23:11] <ubottu> Current time in Etc/UTC: October 02 2008, 22:11:06 - Next meeting: MOTU Team in 13 hours 48 minutes
[23:11] <asac> hmm ... online
[23:16] <fta> eh?
[23:17] <fta> jdstrand, any progress with sm 1.1.12 on hardy?
[23:18] <jdstrand> fta: I asked in the bug for someone to comment on the testing done
[23:18] <fta> oh
[23:18] <jdstrand> once I have that, I'll process it
[23:20] <fta> i think asac tested it, of course, i did too
[23:20] <fta> asac, could you please comment on the bug?
[23:23] <asac> fta: dont have a bug id
[23:23] <asac> ;)
[23:23] <fta> bug 276437
[23:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 276437 in seamonkey "security upgrade of seamonkey 1.1.12" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276437
[23:26] <asac> done
[23:26] <jdstrand> tahnks! I'll get it uploaded
[23:27] <jdstrand> thanks even...
[23:27] <fta> thanks too
[23:40] <bdmurray> asac: I've added the files you wanted to bug 277063
[23:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277063
[23:41] <[reed]> asac: uh, network manager isn't loading?
[23:41]  * [reed] is confuse
[23:41] <[reed]> d
[23:41] <[reed]> I'm on intrepid, yet I have no network at all
[23:41] <[reed]> :(
[23:42] <[reed]> hmm
[23:42] <[reed]> it seems to be running
[23:42] <[reed]> no applet, though
[23:43] <asac> [reed]: upgraded?
[23:44] <asac> rebooted?
[23:44] <[reed]> yes
[23:44] <[reed]> yes
[23:44] <asac> [reed]: applet process running?
[23:44] <[reed]> what's it called?
[23:44] <asac> nm-applet
[23:44] <[reed]> no
[23:44] <asac> [reed]: try to start it from command line
[23:44] <asac> and see if it crashes or something
[23:45] <[reed]> it started, but it isn't seeing my wired connection, nor is it seeing the VPNs I had
[23:46] <asac> [reed]: what does it see?
[23:46] <asac> automatic wired?
[23:46] <[reed]> no, it only shows "Wireless Networks"
[23:46] <asac> [reed]: so do you have a wired interface?
[23:47] <[reed]> ifconfig only shows lo, wlan0 and wmaster0-00
[23:47] <[reed]> I have an ethernet cable plugged into the ethernet port, and the lights are a blinkin', but NM isn't noticing :(
[23:48] <[reed]> and nm-applet just dumped core
[23:48] <fta> (i removed nm today on hardy, it prevented gnome to start (so i had X with just a wallpaper) and it made all my console blink. going back to static ip solved it all)
[23:49] <asac> [reed]: for i in `hal-find-by-capability --capability net`; do lshal -u $i; done
[23:49] <asac> [reed]: is your wired interface in there?
[23:50] <[reed]> no
[23:50] <[reed]> two udi things
[23:50] <[reed]> both wlan
[23:50] <asac> thats the cause then
[23:50] <asac> yeah
[23:50] <[reed]> uh, so
[23:50] <asac> is it in lspci
[23:50] <[reed]> how do I fix?
[23:51] <asac> [reed]: you know which chipset you are using?
[23:51] <[reed]> I see: "Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection (rev 61)"
[23:51] <asac> [reed]: 23:32 < asac> [reed]: if you have hw of bug 263555 you would end up without networking
[23:51] <[reed]> asac: not off the top of my head, no... it's a ThinkPad X61
[23:51] <asac> 23:33 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk"  [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555
[23:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555
[23:51] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 263555 in linux "[intrepid] 2.6.27 e1000e driver places Intel ICH8 and ICH9 gigE chipsets at risk" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/263555
[23:52] <asac> [reed]: is that your card?
[23:52] <asac> [reed]: in that case the driver is blacklisted :(
[23:52] <asac> until the next kernel upload afaict
[23:52] <[reed]> "I was really shocked to see that it took more than one day between the Issue becoming apparent and the warning being placed on the website. This is a very serious issue and can cause severe damage on really expensive hardware (i.e. most recent Lenovo Thinkpads like the X200, X301, T400, T500 and so on)."
[23:52] <[reed]> don't see mine listed
[23:52] <[reed]> don't you have a ThinkPad?
[23:55] <[reed]> knew I shouldn't have upgraded this laptop
[23:55] <[reed]> now I can't get on wired or wifi
[23:55] <asac> no wifi?
[23:55] <asac> why that?
[23:55] <[reed]> nm-applet core dumped!
[23:55] <asac> [reed]: have you tried more than once?
[23:56] <[reed]> attempting now
[23:59] <[reed]> nope
[23:59] <[reed]> network is 802.1x
[23:59] <[reed]> won't connect
[23:59] <[reed]> :/