[00:00] <heno> slangasek: should the kubuntu desktop have fairly complete translations in Spanish?
[00:00] <heno> it's not showing up
[00:00] <slangasek> I don't know
[00:00] <slangasek> you're talking post-install?
[00:01] <slangasek> heno: and using the 20081001 image?  (since it was a langpack bug that forced the reroll...)
[00:03] <davmor2> 72% come on
[00:04] <heno> slangasek: yep, the md5sum checks out
[00:04] <heno> it worked fine on the ubuntu install
[00:04] <heno> (in German)
[00:06] <davmor2> heno: re-ask Riddell
[00:06] <heno> Riddell:  should the kubuntu desktop have fairly complete translations in Spanish?
[00:07] <Riddell> heno: I believe all translations are mostly incomplete
[00:07] <Riddell> rosetta didn't import kde languages for no apparant reason and language packs havn't been uploaded since that was supposedly fixed
[00:07] <heno> Riddell: ok, what package should I check for to see if it has at least installed correctly in theory?
[00:08] <Riddell> language-pack-kde-es-base
[00:08] <Riddell> more worryingly is if you start up a new user kde doesn't pick up the system locale, I need to look into that
[00:09] <davmor2> rebooting
[00:12] <davmor2> Yay
[00:14] <davmor2> Right bed I'll pick up again tomorrow night
[00:26] <heno> Riddell, slangasek: it was not installed
[00:28] <slangasek> hmm
[00:28] <slangasek> that's... very strange
[00:29] <heno> no -es packs were installed AFAICS on kubuntu
[00:31] <heno> swapping them now: german kubuntu and spanish ubuntu
[00:35] <Riddell> heno: did you have internet access during the install?
[00:39] <heno> Riddell: I didn't check specifically, but I assume so. The spanish lang packs are on the ubuntu CD, are they on kubuntu?
[00:40] <heno> I used direct ubiquity install, not Live CD mode
[00:40] <Riddell> heno: they are not
[00:40] <Riddell> french and german only on the kubuntu CD now
[00:41] <heno> ah, ok
[00:41] <heno> I'm doing a german kubuntu install now
[00:41] <heno> we'll see if that's better
[00:42] <heno> it should still have pulled it from the net though I guess
[00:42] <heno> I assume the installer logs can tell me if I had net access
[00:55] <heno> ah, there are some German translations in kde now and Spanish in Ubuntu
[00:55] <heno> very incomplete but installed
[00:57] <heno> Riddell, slangasek ^
[00:57] <Riddell> heno: did you have to tell KDE to switch to german or did it pick up the system language?
[00:57] <heno> Riddell: it just worked
[00:58] <heno> Konq has some german bits
[00:59] <heno> I should do a Spanish install with confirmed network for completeness
[01:04] <sbeattie> I just saw language-pack-kde-pt-base get set up in my kubuntu live session install.
[01:05] <sbeattie> (portugese language selection, of course)
[01:07] <heno> sbeattie: that was running it from a Live session (not direct install)?
[01:08] <sbeattie> yes, not a direct install, but installation from within a live session.
[01:15] <sbeattie> hmm, despite that, the menus post-install don't seem to be translated
[01:17] <sbeattie> my shell is definitely got LANG=pt_PT set, though. Wish I knew portugese at all. :-)
[01:18] <sbeattie> I've got the following installed:
[01:18] <sbeattie>                                      
[01:18] <sbeattie>                                                                                                           
[01:18] <sbeattie> I'd really like to codify/track how to submit patches to individual
[01:18] <sbeattie> upstreams.  I mentioned this[1] on ubuntu-devel today, and I think it
[01:18] <sbeattie> could be valuable to collect and create language for each policy a given
[01:18] <sbeattie> upstream uses.  On top of that, tracking key people to poke to get
[01:18] <sbeattie> motion on patches would be nice too for the cases were a patch stagnates
[01:18] <sbeattie> even though all the "rules" were followed.
[01:18] <sbeattie>                                                                                                           
[01:18] <sbeattie> The OSS Security community started something kind of similar[2],
[01:18] <sbeattie> but it's not even close to being useful for doing contribution work.
[01:19] <sbeattie> I'd prefer to link our information to packages, much like the Vcs tags
[01:19] <sbeattie> were done, but I think we'd be limited by the scope of what we could
[01:19] <sbeattie> describe (e.g. "needs test case" (wine), "needs documentation" (lkml proc
[01:19] <sbeattie> changes), "must be patch against HEAD" (lots), "specific coding style"
[01:19] <sbeattie> (lkml, samba, ...) etc).
[01:19] <sbeattie>                                                                                                           
[01:19] <sbeattie> -Kees
[01:19] <sbeattie>                                                                                                           
[01:19] <sbeattie> [1] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-October/026635.html
[01:19] <sbeattie> ack, thpppt
[01:19] <sbeattie> sorry.
[01:19] <heno> hehe
[01:20] <sbeattie> Trying again: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53024/
[01:21] <sbeattie> anyway, I've got to run. Back later to poke at dvds.
[01:21] <heno> sbeattie: looks like the install worked ok
[01:21] <heno> just that the lang packs are mostly empty
[01:21] <sbeattie> ah
[01:26] <heno> Hi TheMuso! It'd be great if you could help with some install tests today as well. We've respun desktop CDs and are running a bit tight on time.
[01:26] <heno> there are various alternate and upgrade tests in need of love too
[01:30] <slangasek> heno, sbeattie: so, not yet confirmed that we have a problem with es kubuntu?
[01:30] <TheMuso> heno: Will do.
[01:30] <heno> slangasek: I'm watching it install successfully now
[01:31] <heno> slangasek: the difference is it's now a Live session + install vs. a direct install before
[01:31] <heno> it's not on the CD and I may not have had network
[01:33] <heno> I guess that would be a different bug ...
[01:44] <heno> slangasek: confirmed that the Spanish installation worked this time
[01:44] <heno> that was i386 - I'll try amd64 as well later
[01:44] <Riddell> Nobody expects... the Spanish installation!
[01:47] <slangasek> heno: ok, thanks
[01:48] <slangasek> ubuntu dvd is up, 20081002
[01:50] <slangasek> what needs the most attention now?  Looks like there are no test results for xubuntu desktop yet; is anyone working on those already?
[01:51] <heno> slangasek: cody-somerville said he was
[01:52] <slangasek> ah, did he?  I only saw him say "\o/"
[01:52] <slangasek> :-)
[01:52] <heno> in a different conversation
[01:52] <heno> in a galaxy far away
[01:53] <TheMuso> I can help test xubuntu if desired, and I see one test for amd64 desktop that needs to be completed.
[01:53]  * heno wanders off to sleep (really this time)
[01:54] <slangasek> TheMuso: upgrade testing will also need some attention, if you have resources for that
[01:54] <slangasek> (I don't, at present)
[01:55] <TheMuso> slangasek: Sure. I could never quite work out how to drive update-manager in that instance, but I'll get a VM set up with hardy to test an upgrade.
[02:00] <slangasek> and the ubuntu DVD livefs build clocked in at 1.5h to build, plus another 20 minutes to build the ISO; I would advise Europe not to wait for kubuntu dvd before getting some sleep, since we have at least an hour to go :-)
[02:01] <slangasek> (though we probably lost Europe already anyway? :)
[02:42] <Riddell> Europe still hanging on here
[02:43] <slangasek> is that wise? :)
[02:44] <Riddell> well, I got into reading the new Terry Pratchett book during installs today, and I've not got to the end yet
[02:49] <slangasek> heh :-)
[03:51] <slangasek> kubuntu DVD posted
[03:52] <slangasek> whoever finds the next beta showstopper bug gets scolded for not finding it yesterday >:)
[03:53] <cody-somerville> \o/
[04:38] <Riddell> heno or someone, please test kubuntu dvd amd64 live, it didn't work for me, hopefully just a bad burn
[05:07] <Riddell> otherwise Kubuntu is all good for beta
[07:42] <ara> morning all :-)
[08:32] <davmor2> Hello everybody
[08:32] <davmor2> slangasek: all the images up now?
[08:43] <heno> morning!
[09:03]  * ara goes offline for some minutes to test xubuntu live cd in her own laptop
[09:10]  * heno starts on Ubuntu 386 DVD
[09:10]  * davmor2 will blitz through Xubuntu 64bit
[09:10] <ubot5`> Ubuntu bug 386 in baz "change to removed files does not conflict" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386
[09:13]  * davmor2 re-installs windows for wubi testing
[09:26] <heno> Riddell: what problem did you have on the kubuntu amd64 dvd Live? Here I'm getting a mangled display
[09:26] <heno> will try safe graphics mode
[09:29] <heno> could be a vbox issue perhaps, I'll try it later on real HW
[09:29] <heno> if anyone else has kubuntu amd64 dvd handy, please try a boot
[09:30] <heno> (safe graphics mode also failed)
[09:33] <davmor2> ara: are you able to drop an audio cd into the xub box?
[09:34] <ara_> davmor2: i haven't tested that, sorry
[09:36] <davmor2> heno: I'll try it on hw after
[09:40]  * davmor2 takes the rest of wubi again
[10:24]  * ara confirms that she hates pulseaudio
[10:29] <mvo> heh :)
[10:34] <davmor2> ara: why?
[10:34] <ara> I updated yesterday my laptod (running intrepid) and the sound didn't work afterwards for: skype, lastfm, and flash videos
[10:35] <ara> I have spent 2h this morning trying to get that back up
[10:35] <ara> solution: sudo apt-get remove pulseaudio; sudo apt-get install esound
[10:35] <ara> and everything back to normal
[10:35] <davmor2> ara: there is a lastfm plugin in rhythmbox
[10:38]  * heno ticks off some Ubuntu dvd 64bit tests
[10:39] <davmor2> heno: do you want all the wubi tests testing on xp and vista again or will just xp do (same for m-a)
[10:40] <heno> davmor2: just xp is fine
[10:40]  * liw wakes up
[10:40] <davmor2> cool
[10:41] <heno> wubi itself should not have changed, though I guess a new livefs could impact wubi (but not the part that runs in Windows)
[10:46] <sbeattie> ara: are you running i386 or amd64?
[10:46] <ara> sbeattie: i386
[10:47] <sbeattie> ah, hunh. dunno then. :-)
[10:50] <davmor2> ara: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4526648&postcount=9 and 10
[10:51] <liw> rsync has finished -- is there anything in particular that would be good to test?
[10:51] <davmor2> but you are ofcourse right pulse was meant to make this all easier not harder :)
[10:51] <ara> davmor2: "However, this breaks Adobe Flash 9 completely. Choose what you need..."
[10:52] <ara> removing pulseaudio and installing esound did solve the issue
[10:53] <liw> there's four upgrade tests that haven't even been started -- I'll start on the ubuntu server amd64 one
[10:54] <heno> I'm doing the edubuntu 64 bit upgrade
[11:05] <ara> I am doing edubuntu i386
[11:08]  * ara steps out to buy some more blank cds
[11:12] <davmor2> ara: Wow I'm jealous I have to walk all the way up town to buy cd's and you have a cd shop outside of you door :)
[11:14] <heno> did anyone manage to boot the amd64 kubuntu dvd live session?
[11:14] <heno> in virtualbox it's borked
[11:15]  * heno grabs a dvd to burn it
[11:15] <davmor2> heno: I'm on the last xubuntu install and then I'll do it about 10 minutes
[11:17]  * liw recommends dvd-rw's (+rw's?)
[11:17] <heno> thanks. checking the image integrity now
[11:18] <davmor2> liw +rw is better don't need to do a full format each time :)
[11:25] <ara> davmor2: nice thing being in the city centre :-)
[11:26] <davmor2> ara: to be fair I'm only about a 5 minute walk :)
[11:29] <heno> the physical kubuntu dvd 64bit starts fine
[11:29] <heno> integrity check was fine too
[11:30] <davmor2> heno: have you run memtest from the cd's at all
[11:30] <heno> Riddell: was your boot failure in a VM as well?
[11:30] <heno> davmor2: no
[11:31] <heno> davmor2: to test the memtest functionality you mean?
[11:31] <davmor2> yes it was failing before I'll try in a second
[11:33] <liw> some days things don't go my way... read a blog entry in liferea, liferea crashes; restart liferea, decide to comment on said blog entry, open it up in a browser, click "post comment", click "openid", browser crashes; repeat, browser crashes again; switch to another browser, comment successfully; then add link to that entry's comments to liferea, liferea crashes _again_ *sigh*
[11:34] <liw> good thing the upgrade test is going well :)
[11:37] <davmor2> Yay memtest works :)
[11:38] <davmor2> sbeattie: memtest seems to be working now :)
[11:38]  * liw takes on xubuntu amd64 upgrade
[11:39] <davmor2> burning dvd
[11:41] <sbeattie> davmor2: yay! AFAIK, we papered over the actual compiler problem...
[11:41] <davmor2> cool
[11:46]  * davmor2 hopes that's all the wubi and m-a tests done now
[11:48]  * heno does edubuntu i386 upgrade
[11:51]  * davmor2 tests kub dvd
[11:54] <ara> heno: I am doing that now, you can go for another one
[11:55] <heno> ara: ah, ok cool
[11:55]  * davmor2 has a look to see what is left
[11:56] <liw> is anyone doing edubuntu amd64 upgrade?
[11:56] <ara> I think heno did
[11:57] <heno> liw: I'm just starting it actually - I needed to stop for a bit to do a physical test on that box
[11:57] <liw> then all the completely untested ones are in progress
[11:58] <heno> I'll convert the 386 edu upgrade test to a larger overloaded upgrade test
[11:58] <heno> taking advantage of he morning bandwidth :)
[11:59] <davmor2> heno: I been thinking about that too.  Are the images built on one machine and then upload to the local machines?  If so that could explain crap bandwidth issues why the re-rolls are being done
[12:05]  * davmor2 takes Ubuntu amd64 alt
[12:10] <ara> my i386 edu upgrade test is upgrading 1228 packages :-)
[12:19]  * heno waits to see his upgrade package count
[12:20] <heno> only 994 packages :)
[12:24] <Riddell> heno: my test was on real hardware
[12:24] <heno> ok, well that worked here anyway
[12:28] <davmor2> I just noticed I missed ticking of auto resize on xubuntu alt from yesterday D'oh
[12:29] <davmor2> build list is looking happier now \0/
[12:33]  * persia starts the download for the Ubuntu DVD amd64 Install (debian-installer) test
[12:44] <davmor2> heno: we at the passing stage yet or does it all need to be green :)
[12:45] <heno> davmor2: I think we are into bonus territory :)
[12:46] <davmor2> \o/
[12:50] <davmor2> God the dvd install is slow :(
[12:55] <persia> davmor2: Which case are you doing?  I'll switch (when the download completes) to get more coverage.
[12:55]  * ara -> lunch
[12:55] <davmor2> ubuntu alt 64 and kubuntu dvd 64
[12:56] <davmor2> persia ^
[12:56] <persia> davmor2: OK.  I was planning Ubuntu DVD (d-i), so no conflict :)
[12:56] <davmor2> cool :)
[13:11] <stgraber> anyone doing ubuntu alternate amd64 - ltsp ?
[13:12] <stgraber> otherwise I'll do it as soon as I'm out of meeting (2 hours)
[13:33] <davmor2> stgraber: I'll gladly leave that one to you sir
[13:34] <liw> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/DesktopUpgrade and other pages say to run "sudo update-manager -d -c", the "sudo" is unnecessary, does someone have the ability to do a search/replace?
[13:35] <stgraber> davmor2: ok, starting it now, it'll install during my meeting :)
[13:36] <davmor2> liw: why is sudo unnecessary it a key root function surely?
[13:37] <liw> davmor2, mvo can explain it better, but I assume it is because update-manager switches to root when necessary itself (policykit?)
[13:38] <davmor2> liw: ah right yes for hardy it might but for older version it doesn't
[13:39] <liw> mvo, is that true?
[13:41] <mvo> I can't remember when, but hardy for sure has support to run update-manager as user. it will prompt for a password when it needs it
[13:41] <mvo> the regular update-manager we run as user too
[13:41] <mvo> (still uses gksu thought, not policykit)
[13:44] <davmor2> modified let me know if you see it anywhere else :)
[13:58] <sbc> is alpha 6 the latest 8.10 image? If so, when is the next image comming out?
[13:59] <davmor2> some time soon
[14:00] <sbc> davmor2:  Is that before or after Friday (tomorrow) ?
[14:00] <davmor2> pass it depend when the RM says it's a go
[14:01] <sbc> ok, ill wait a bit then. Thank you.
[14:07] <ara> I updated bug 276657 with the xubuntu results. it does not look too good :-(
[14:07] <liw> I don't seem to have an Examples folder in my Xubuntu home/desktop, where should it be?
[14:09] <charlie-tca> liw: Xubuntu does not include the Examples folder
[14:10] <liw> right, so I can't follow the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/DesktopUpgrade script
[14:13] <davmor2> liw: It's a general doc rather than specific the specific ones are at the bottom of the screen :)
[14:14] <liw> davmor2, yeah, but it's confusing for a test monkey like me to have to think
[14:14]  * davmor2 slaps liw to see if it helps ;)
[14:14]  * liw eats a bananana
[14:14]  * heno afk
[14:15] <liw> ok, the xubuntu amd64 upgrade test is finally done
[14:15] <luca__> hi everyone
[14:15] <luca__> could someone please help me set up an Intrepid live usb?
[14:16] <davmor2> liw: to be honest that is a older doc the new ones are being created on our own wiki and will be correct :)
[14:17] <ara> edubuntu i386 upgrade went ok as well (> 1000 packages)
[14:22] <davmor2> kub dvd 64bit complete \o/
[14:23] <davmor2> with stgraber doing ltsp on ubuntu 64bit alt and me doing expert now that's complete too
[14:24]  * davmor2 I'm going to start hitting the remaining kubuntu alt tests
[14:26] <liw> anyone working on Ubuntu Alternate amd64 expert?
[14:26] <davmor2> liw me now
[14:26] <liw> ah yes
[14:27] <liw> Ubuntu DVD amd64 seems to have a couple missing tests, I'll tackle those
[14:28] <davmor2> cool
[14:31] <persia> liw: I'm *almost* done with the download for the (debian-installer) test, if you wouldn't mind hitting the other one first.
[14:31] <liw> persia, I'm doing both in parallel, but don't let that stop you :)
[14:31]  * persia wants liw's HW
[14:32] <liw> kvm is luverly :)
[14:32] <liw> kvm + several gigs of memory is especially luverly
[14:32] <davmor2> meh I do things in parallel all the time I have 2 machines for testing though
[14:32] <persia> I tend to get massive I/O swapping when I use more than 1 KVM session, so I think the several gigs of memory is the missing bit :)
[14:33] <liw> persia, yeah, I warmly recommend maxing out your memory slots
[14:34] <persia> Unfortunately, that's done: all my KVM-capable hardware is in form factors with limited slots :(
[14:34] <liw> I sympathise
[14:42] <davmor2> guys we might have re-spins on all the Xubuntu cd's
[14:43] <slangasek> heno: "bonus territory" - you don't want full matrix coverage for beta?
[14:44] <liw> davmor2, if it helps, I can probably do several of those tests
[14:44] <liw> davmor2, assuming testing under kvm helps
[14:45] <davmor2> liw: pass just waiting to find out if we are or not.
[14:45] <davmor2> slangasek: how long till noon your time?
[14:46] <liw> it should abe 06:46 where he is, so about five hours until his noon
[14:47] <heno> slangasek: I do, but there are some tests like expert and rescue that I'm not too worried about covering everywhere. When we are low on time we should hit the highest impact cases first
[14:47] <heno> stgraber: it's not possible to remove certain cases from certain ISOs, right?
[14:54] <slangasek> davmor2: I never said I was targeting noon my time, for the record :)
[14:55] <davmor2> I saw on #u-dev :)
[14:55] <slangasek> heno: ok, that's fair.  What else are people still working on testing?
[14:56] <davmor2> ubuntu 64 expert and kub alt 32 resize
[14:56] <heno> it was noon UK time AFAIR :)
[14:56] <davmor2> well that's gone :(
[14:56] <slangasek> yes
[14:58] <davmor2> right be back in half hourish
[14:58] <persia> I'm not done with my list, but if there's sufficient coverage, I can add the results later.
[14:59] <persia> (unless there are new dailies being pushed at the moment of the beta release)
[15:00] <slangasek> persia: what's on your list?
[15:00] <liw> ouch, pressing alt-f4 to get to the virtual machine's virtual console 4 was not a good idea when the focus wasn't grabbed by the window
[15:00] <slangasek> (no, I won't push new dailies today)
[15:01] <persia> Ubuntu 64bit DVD Debian-installer, some more Ubuntu Studio coverage, and looking for missing cases.
[15:01] <slangasek> ok
[15:02] <liw> persia, if you're doing the ubuntu dvd 64-bit d-i one, I might just as well not re-start it... since that's the one I managed to accidentally kill just now
[15:02] <persia> heh.  What luck :)
[15:03] <liw> oh, henrik already did that :)
[15:04] <liw> there's not a lot of cases left, and I think everything has someone working on them, am I right?
[15:09] <persia> Who has Ubuntu amd64 alternate LTSP ?
[15:11] <liw> persia, stgraber I think: "<davmor2> with stgraber doing ltsp on ubuntu 64bit alt and me doing expert now that's complete too"
[15:12] <persia> So it's just the Kubuntu tests remaining?
[15:13] <luca__> tested ubuntu 64-bit live usb \o/
[15:13] <luca__> where should I report?
[15:13] <luca__> sorry dumb question
[15:14] <liw> persia, yeah, but I thought they were under progress, too, hmm
[15:15]  * persia will download some Kubuntu after the current meeting if they aren't claimed first
[15:21] <liw> I will go out to get some foodstuffs; I can continue testing when I get back (about 15 mins), if there's stuff that isn't being tested yet
[15:21]  * pedro_ testing kubuntu i386
[15:42] <davmor2> Back
[15:44] <persia> Downloads just seem to keep getting slower.  I'm guessing people are excited, and pulling the images pre-beta.
[15:47]  * davmor2 I'll take Kubuntu 64 alt then 
[15:52] <stgraber> heno: no, you can't but you can add the request to the wikipage and I'll do that before RC
[15:53] <heno> stgraber: cool :)
[15:56] <davmor2> kub alt 64 encrypted and whole partition on there way
[16:03] <liw> davmor2, are you keeping track of who's doing what and what's not being done?
[16:04] <davmor2> I think kub 32bit needs love as do one of the kub dvd 2 ticks
[16:05] <davmor2> stgraber: are you doing the ltsp on both ubuntu's?
[16:05] <davmor2> pedro_: kubuntu i386 alt is that?
[16:06] <pedro_> davmor2: i was doing kubuntu desktop but i can give some love to the alt also
[16:07] <stgraber> davmor2: no, I'm doing amd64
[16:07] <stgraber> and it failed
[16:07]  * liw takes on Kubuntu DVD i386
[16:08] <stgraber> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53211/
[16:08] <davmor2> pedro_: liw: in that case there is ltsp 32bit ubuntu,  2 on kub alt 32 bit, 2 on i386 kub dvd, 3 on kub 64bit desktop
[16:09] <davmor2> I can 32bit alt or the dvd if you guys want to take the others
[16:10] <davmor2> i can do even
[16:10] <davmor2> take you picks
[16:10] <liw> I just started on the kubuntu i386 dvd, but I can easily switch to something else
[16:11] <davmor2> liw: that fine
[16:11] <davmor2> pedro_: can you take amd64 desktop or do you still want to tackle 32bit alt?
[16:12] <pedro_> davmor2: i can't do amd64 don't have a hw for that, i'll take the 32bit alt
[16:12] <davmor2> and I'll take the 64bit then :) yay sorted :)
[16:12] <pedro_> woohoo
[16:20] <davmor2> 1 left on current and starts on 64bit
[16:21] <davmor2> slangasek: do you want ltsp testing on 32bit it failed for stgraber on 64bit?
[16:23]  * ara starts doing kubuntu i386 alt entire disk
[16:27] <slangasek> davmor2: which image is the ltsp test case under?
[16:27] <davmor2> sorry ara I hadn't seen you were still online :( Fail on my behalf
[16:27] <davmor2> slangasek: Ubuntu alt 32 and 64bit
[16:30] <ara> davmor2: what do you mean?
[16:30] <davmor2> I forgot you when we were sorting out cases remaining sorry :)
[16:31] <slangasek> davmor2: hmm, there's no failure reported for ltsp on 64bit according to the tracker?
[16:32] <davmor2> stgraber: ^
[16:32] <davmor2> slangasek: ﻿(16:07:07) stgraber: davmor2: no, I'm doing amd64
[16:32] <davmor2> (16:07:23) stgraber: and it failed
[16:32] <sbeattie> slangasek: this is what he pastebin'd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53211/
[16:33] <slangasek> hrm
[16:33] <slangasek> that doesn't make sense unless either he was using a stale ISO, or we botched the reroll
[16:34] <slangasek> well, or if LTSP is doing something special to apt :/
[16:35] <davmor2> slangasek: I can double check for you but not till the kubuntu's are out of the way
[16:35] <slangasek> a double-check would be nice, I think
[16:36] <davmor2> don't let it stop you releasing though ;)
[16:37] <persia> Isn't that file:/// issue the one mvo was discussing earlier on -devel?
[16:37] <stgraber> slangasek: not yet
[16:37] <persia> Missing because the uncompressed files are absent?
[16:37] <stgraber> slangasek: see #ubuntu-devel
[16:38] <slangasek> persia: except that's a warning, not an error
[16:39] <davmor2> stgraber: slangasek: right I'm burning 32bit Ubuntu alt to test this then
[16:47] <davmor2> and another one bites the dust
[16:55] <davmor2> slangasek: run ltsp now
[16:57] <davmor2> running even
[17:13] <heno> back (finally)
[17:13]  * heno takes some kub alt i386 tests
[17:14] <davmor2> slangasek: Fail on 32bit too for ltsp
[17:14] <slangasek> davmor2: ok
[17:16]  * pedro_ finished kubuntu expert install
[17:16] <sbeattie> hrm, apt-cdrom in hardy is having trouble adding the kubuntu intrepid dvd.
[17:21] <davmor2> just resize to go on kubuntu desktop 64 as long as this oem plays nice
[17:26] <davmor2> stgraber: is there a bug for the ltsp error I think you got more idea about what is going on with than I have :)
[17:38] <davmor2> last test installing now
[17:38]  * heno hugs davmor2
[17:39] <davmor2> liw: how are the dvd test going
[17:42] <liw> davmor2, it's now again progressing, I had to take a phone call, which turned out to be long
[17:42] <liw> should be finished soon
[17:42] <davmor2> cool :)
[17:46] <liw> hm, konqueror shows images badly, with monochrome colors and vertical white stripes
[17:47] <davmor2> liw: might be a kvm quirk they've been fine on hw.  What link you looking at?
[17:47] <liw> ubuntu.com
[17:47] <davmor2> I'll double check it once this install finishes
[17:48] <davmor2> 68% come on
[17:50] <liw> ok, this is embarrassing: how does one install a package in adept? I can search and get a list of packages on the right, but how do I mark one for installation?
[17:52] <davmor2> click on the box beside the package
[17:52] <liw> that just toggles the long description on and off
[17:53] <davmor2> oh sorry hang on I need to see it
[17:53] <davmor2> 94 % won't be a second
[17:53] <davmor2> famous last words
[17:56] <davmor2> restart
[18:00] <davmor2> liw: fetching list
[18:02] <davmor2> liw: click on the extend and at the bottom of the description it says install this package ;)
[18:03] <liw> it does?
[18:03] <liw> oh yeah, I have to scroll to see that
[18:03] <davmor2> :)
[18:03] <liw> (I see that KDE also has not figured out how to place and size windows properly)
[18:04] <davmor2> konqueror is fine on hw
[18:05] <liw> davmor2, good, then I won't worry about it under kvm
[18:08] <liw> hrmph, I have to scroll by clicking on the scroll bar's down arrow, can't scrol with the scroll wheel, otherwise it scrolls so much that I don't get to see the "install this" button
[18:08] <davmor2> Yay finished :)
[18:08]  * davmor2 dances badly around the room with happiness :)
[18:09] <persia> \o/ \o/ \o/
[18:09] <liw> is everyone now waiting for me?
[18:09] <davmor2> Yeap, No pressure Dude :)
[18:09] <liw> seems so
[18:09] <liw> no worries, I can gripe about bad user interfaces all night long ;-)
[18:09] <davmor2> tea time
[18:10] <davmor2> liw: SSSSSHHHHH did it install ?
[18:11] <liw> davmor2, patience, :)
[18:11]  * davmor2 gets big hammer ready ;)
[18:11] <liw> firefox shows the images properly, so it's just konq that has a problem, but let's assume that's due to kvm
[18:13] <tomjon> yo
[18:15] <stgraber> davmor2: well, I'm not sure what's the bug, that can be apt or ltsp-build-client, you should ask ogra maybe he's filed one.
[18:16] <liw> interestingly, konq shows pictures badly on ubuntu.com, but not on kubuntu.org
[18:17] <liw> davmor2, completed both of my tests
[18:33]  * liw looks admiringly at the long list of green
[18:34] <slangasek> hrrm, has anyone reproduced ara's last comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/276657/comments/10 ?
[18:34] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 276657 in ubiquity "Main menu is still in English after installation from LiveCD" [Critical,Fix released]
[18:35] <slangasek> doesn't seem possible that it's the same bug...
[18:36] <liw> am I blind or is that comment page missing a link to the full bug discussion?
[18:37] <slangasek> seems so
[18:37]  * liw will file a bug about that
[18:37] <sbeattie> liw: I cannot comment on your (in)ability to see, but yes, individual comments don't contain links back to the bug, unfortunately.
[18:38] <liw> slangasek, should someone try to reproduce that in kvm?
[18:40] <liw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/78565 -- it's reported already
[18:40] <ubot5`> Launchpad bug 78565 in malone "no direct link from bug comment page to corresponding bug" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[18:40] <slangasek> liw: I don't think it needs a special effort, just wondering if anyone's run into it
[18:40] <liw> slangasek, ok, in that case I say I haven't run into it
[19:01] <davmor2> slangasek: Before I sod off for the night is that it is beat being released now?
[19:01] <slangasek> yes, as soon as I finish dotting everything
[19:02] <davmor2> slangasek: I think it is thrown out by the extended text
[19:02] <davmor2> ara's xubuntu bug
[19:03] <davmor2> Yay \o/ see you all tomorrow :)
[19:18] <sbeattie> why on earth does the kubuntu dvd have linux-image-debug-2.6.25 debs on it?
[19:24] <persia> Leftovers from the kernel packaging split, and issues with linux-ports-meta not yet accepted.
[19:25] <persia> Can't be fixed easily now, but it's of great interest to the archive-admins.
[19:27]  * sbeattie remains unenlightened.
[19:30] <persia> OK, so there was a decision to split the kernel maintenance into three: one for amd64+i386, one for lpia, and one for everything else.
[19:30] <persia> As a result, there are three sets of source packages, and three sets of binary packages.
[19:30] <persia> There are also some leftovers from the kernel packaging (2.6.25) done before the split.
[19:31] <persia> The leftovers can't be removed yet, because the new metapackage for some of the architectures hasn't been uploaded to intrepid yet, and it would break things in odd ways.
[19:32] <persia> Once the metapackage is uploaded and accepted, it should provide architecture-specific hints, so the older kernels and stuff can be dropped from i386, amd64, and lpia.
[19:32] <persia> One that happens, they should drop from the DVDs, which otherwise contain almost everything in main.
[19:33] <sbeattie> persia: hrm, okay. Is there a reason we're not providing debug packages for the post-split kernels?
[19:34] <persia> I don't know the answer to that question.  Sorry.  You might ask in #ubuntu-kernel.
[19:38] <sbeattie> yay, I just saved 2 hours of downloading time. It only took me, uh, two hours to do it.
[20:30] <hecklerusa> hello
[20:31] <hecklerusa> my windows lag when appearanetce is set to normal help
[20:42] <charles> hello
[21:17] <slangasek> and beta is out - thanks to everyone for their help in testing :)
[21:19] <liw> slangasek, so now is a good time to start pestering you with exceptions? O:-)
[21:20] <slangasek> heh
[21:20] <slangasek> now is a good time for me to go back to bed, I think ;)
[21:20] <liw> sweet dreams :)
[21:21] <slangasek> didn't say I was going to /make/ it to bed... :)
[21:21] <liw> :-)
[21:22] <liw> (I've filed one sync request, and will file an exception request for system-cleaner tomorrow)
[21:56] <lordnoid> intrepid beta: make guest session, switch user to normal user, switch back to guest, logout guest.. theres still 'guest' in the menu.. clicking it makes it crash.
[21:58] <lordnoid> so... should i report this at launchpad?
[22:00] <persia> lordnoid: Yes please.
[22:00] <lordnoid> ok
[22:52]  * rupprich is away: wesch
[22:53]  * rupprich is away: Gone away for now.
[22:53]  * rupprich is away: Gone away for now.
[22:53] <rupprich> fuck
[22:53]  * rupprich is back.