* flyback gives in to the headache and goes to bed00:24
timI can't mount a usb drive that works on another linux machine01:46
favroare ther errors returned?01:50
timnot from fdisk01:50
timbut dmesg gives:01:50
timusb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -11001:50
timafter a bit01:51
favrohmmm if you use the -v option with mount what does it return?01:53
timmount what? theres only sda* and sdb* the internal drives01:55
favrothe usb drive isn't listed in fdisk at all?01:56
favrotried it in a diff usb port?01:57
favroif it works on another comp it prob is your h/ware02:00
timbut I have lots of other thumb drives and sd cards that work02:00
nclifehey. I have this keyboard configuration problem, I have another keyboard layout and would like to change it. How can I do that?03:19
ubottuTo switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts03:20
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nclife's a good cl text editor03:30
nclifeI don't remembe any03:31
nclifeah, nano was one03:32
nclifesweet, it worked.03:37
Odd-rationalenclife: a more powerfull text editor is vim03:44
nclifeyeah, that's the one I knew how to use03:45
phayzis there much difference between a minimal ubuntu install, to which xfce4 is added, and xubuntu?  in terms of how things work?03:47
phayzi've taken the first option but am finding that a few things don't see to work as they should03:48
Odd-rationalephayz: did you install xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop?03:49
phayzOdd-rationale: i installed xfce4, not xubuntu-desktop, because i wanted to be able to choose my own apps individually03:49
Odd-rationalephayz: ok. what doesn't work?03:50
phayzfor example, i find that the services manager doesn't work - the unlock button is grayed/greyed out03:50
Odd-rationalephayz: what service manager?03:51
cody-somervillephayz, You need to install policykit03:51
phayzOdd-rationale: dang! i can't remember its name right now03:51
phayzcody-somerville: THE cody-somerville!  wow!03:52
Odd-rationaleyeah, i was thinking it was a polciykit issue...03:52
charlie-tcacody-somerville: I could not duplicate the partitioning problem03:52
charlie-tcaPerhaps operator error was involved :(03:52
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, Whats the date on the image you're testing btw?03:52
cody-somervillephayz, what does that mean? :)03:52
phayzhow the heck did a services manager application come to be named "bum"!?  :P03:53
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, can you help test the beta candidate?03:53
charlie-tcaYes, where is it?03:53
phayzcody-somerville: aren't you one of the lead developers of xubuntu? (possibly THE lead)03:53
Odd-rationalexubuntu hug day is tomorrow? or has it already started for you?03:53
charlie-tcaOdd-rationale: xubuntu hug day is tomorrow03:54
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, 10-01 is the candidate03:54
cody-somervillecharlie-tca, so the current "current"03:54
Odd-rationalecharlie-tca: yeah, for me it is... i though that you might be in a different time zone...03:54
charlie-tcaThen I have the alternate, and will go get the live cd now and test both tonight03:54
* cody-somerville notes that the candidate needs to be tested *now* if we're going to release a beta :P03:54
phayzwhat's the date of xubuntu hug day?03:55
Odd-rationalei won't be able to help, unfortunately. as i have loads of studies to do...03:55
Odd-rationalephayz: oct 203:55
charlie-tcaI downloaded the alternate earlier, so I'll run it while downloading the live cd03:55
phayzcool! that's today - local date in australia03:55
phayzwho am i supposed to hug?03:55
* cody-somerville notes that he is 4 minutes away from oct 2nd :)03:56
Odd-rationalephayz: http://cody.zapto.org/?p=4503:56
phayz12:56 local time03:56
charlie-tcaphayz, the list is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/2008100203:57
charlie-tcaGet em while they are available!03:57
phayzcharlie-tca: thanks03:57
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phayz"the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" (op status) :P04:00
* cody-somerville is burning beta live cd.04:01
phayz...and sending a copy to australia?04:03
phayzis the xubuntu beta available on an ftp site somewhere?  (dang!  i can't type properly)04:07
charlie-tcahttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ is the one we are testing for release04:08
phayzis there a simple way of getting a wiki page nicely formatted for printing?04:11
cody-somervillewhich wiki?04:12
phayzthe ubuntu one.  i'm reading a bugsquad page and want to read it on the train (in paper form)04:13
phayzthanks!  that's exactly what i was looking for.  please don't tell me there's such a link on each page :(04:14
* charlie-tca charlie needs to get a second monitor04:16
phayzis xubuntu likely to run acceptably on a laptop with only 32 mb memory?04:18
charlie-tcaphayz: I don't think so. I run it on an old PII 400MHz cpu with 256 mb Ram and it is slow04:19
charlie-tcaThe install using the alternate takes me about 1 and 1/2 hours04:19
phayzcharlie-tca: thanks.  it runs win 98 and i'd hoped for an alternative04:20
charlie-tcaMaybe DSL? I think it will run on it04:22
charlie-tcaYou could check their website at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/04:23
phayzcharlie-tca: thanks.  i think i'll try a distro named "slitaz".  that goodness this is not my main pc :)04:31
phayz*thank* goodness04:31
charlie-tcacody-somerville: tested the Alternate-cd. We no longer have help. clicking on help on the05:48
* cody-somerville nods.05:48
cody-somervilleKnown issue :)05:48
charlie-tcaAlso, quick search in synaptic Package Manager failed again.05:49
charlie-tcaSearched on gedit, nothing. Use Search button, 8 packages found05:49
charlie-tcaOther than that and network manager with static settings, looks good.05:50
charlie-tcaWe do still have Midori in the menu.05:50
flybackthis is so fucking cool, I am downloading the data from my cell phone with a smashed display, inside a windows 2000 vm using drivers for a usb to serial cable that is attached to the linux host that the windows 2000 vm is running on06:11
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charlie-tcaXubuntu HUG DAY today! Let's see how many we can work.07:38
dmh65can anyone get a google site?08:38
mirexI can08:40
dmh65hmmm, must be my end08:40
mirextry downforeveryoneorjustme.com08:40
mirexreally, its a good testing tool08:41
dmh65yeah, thanks, it's just me :)08:42
dmh65anything to do with google08:42
dmh65this is wierd, I cannot connect to anything google, linux or windows?09:30
dmh65its like they have banned me :)09:30
dmh65I know I complained about all the associated press stuff on my news page the other day but...09:31
Myrttiyour dns has gone awry09:34
mirexdmh65: contact your internet provider, he should check your dns09:38
mirexor to test it: got to webpage if it opens a google web for you09:39
Natenjohey guyes Ive installed konquoror and i want to make it to my default file manager...how do i do this??09:39
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Natenjoplz still answer the question from Natenjo^^ i just had to switch pc's09:56
mirexdunno, but try googling.10:04
Natenjothx I'll have a look it it..i just googled i german and disnt find anything usefull :P10:05
vermeany xubuntu user wants to be a beta tester?10:30
vermethanks in advance ^^10:30
gabkdllyI am planning to do some beta testing today, as soon as I get done backing up10:34
gabkdllywe should have a link to isos in the subject10:35
vermei refer to an application i'm developing...10:35
vermeit is an application that runs in ubuntu but do not runs in xubuntu10:36
mirexwhat does the application do ?10:36
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spaceninjacan xubuntu play flash without the use of ugly hacks?12:03
knomespaceninja, ugly hacks?12:04
spaceninjayes, clean code, no code bloat :)12:04
spaceninjaforgot to add x86_6412:05
knomespaceninja, you can choose between (mozilla-plugin-)gnash (free) and flashplugin-nonfree (adobe)12:05
TheSheepspaceninja: no, flash player is one big code bloat, it's closed source and written by adobe, so no help heree12:05
knomeTheSheep, there is gnash ;)12:06
TheSheepknome: but doesn't play most of ugly hacks made by so clled web developers12:06
knomesure, but plays something at least12:06
TheSheepTeh Intarweb is infested with ugly hacks12:07
knomeTheSheep, + don't scorch *all* the web developers12:07
TheSheepknome: why not?12:07
spaceninjadoes xubuntu use ubuntu's repos'?12:07
knomespaceninja, yes12:07
knomeTheSheep, because i, for example, am a web developer and i don't do ugly hacks12:07
spaceninjado you use javascripts?12:08
knomespaceninja, ajax, yes, obstrustive javascript, no12:08
spaceninjaknome: heard of jquery?12:08
knomespaceninja, nope12:09
spaceninjaI have, sounds good, but I haven't tried it12:09
knomei try to avoid using ajax if i don't need to12:09
spaceninjawould you say that xubuntu has the least ammount of bloat compared with ubuntu and kubuntu?12:10
spaceninjaI don't like bloat12:11
knomewho does?12:11
* knome looks around12:11
spaceninjathe people who doesn't care about it12:11
knomeor they have just started not to care about it, even they don't like it12:11
spaceninjawell no one likes bloat, but alot of people are just messy12:11
spaceninjaI don't like messy people, I hate being in their rooms12:12
spaceninjaorder please!12:12
knomei'd like a coke.12:12
spaceninjait took me a while to figure out the joke12:14
knomeha ;)12:14
spaceninjahehe good one :)12:14
spaceninjawell, I'm off installing xubuntu12:15
spaceninjalets examine the bloatiness of it12:15
spaceninjaI assume that the bloat indicator test might be positive due to the ubuntu heritage12:17
tunaspaceninja: mostly due to the memleaks in xfce412:27
spaceninjawhat's xubuntu intrepid ibex?13:01
ubottuIntrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion | Warning lots of broken software between now and October!13:02
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spaceninjaI just read a review about some intrepid version, and it had orange and midori apps that aren't in the current release.13:28
TheSheepspaceninja: they were in betas for testing13:28
TheSheepspaceninja: but has been removed for release13:28
spaceninjanot stable enough?13:28
TheSheepspaceninja: because those are beta apps13:28
TheSheepspaceninja: yes13:28
spaceninjadoes it take a long time to bootup xubuntu for the first time?13:33
spaceninjahow do I see the terminal output?13:34
spaceninjagreat, errors :)13:36
charlie-tcaspaceninja: Depends on your hardware, but not longer than ubuntu13:36
spaceninjaThe boot stopped and gave me a initramfs prompt13:37
spaceninjait can't find my hdd device or something13:37
charlie-tcaDid it give any error messages?13:38
spaceninjaI rebooted the computer, I have to stare into the bootup logo for 5 minutes before it produces the error output13:41
charlie-tcaHit Escape when it says Grub, hilight the boot line, hit e to edit, remove quiet at the end of the line13:42
charlie-tcaThat will give boot messages under the throbber for that boot13:42
spaceninjacheck root-bootarg car /proc/cmdline or missing modules devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev  ALERT /dev/disk/by-uuid/blahlbah....a.sd.34.. does not exist. Dropping to a Shell13:48
charlie-tcabad installation, I think. did you have any errors during the installation?13:50
spaceninjaI have to try xubuntu another time, back to crux linux.13:53
charlie-tcaNone? Did the cd pass the "Check cd for defects?"13:53
spaceninjadoesn't matter, I believe it's the /dev/by-uuid/13:58
spaceninjaI assume it's a debian bloat13:59
spaceninjadebian turned into a swamp, and ubuntu built a skyscraper on top of it. :)14:18
spaceninjaand soon it will collapse on its own weight14:19
* charlie-tca hoping not 14:19
spaceninjathe same thing is happening to vista14:20
spaceninjaoh well :)14:21
charlie-tcaYes, but they have an awful lot of dead code14:21
spaceninjawhat a great way to express it, dead code, I love it14:23
spaceninjayes, too much dead code14:23
charlie-tcayea, my wording may be wrong14:24
charlie-tcabut the meaning is the same :)14:24
spaceninjaBut I want the code to be as small as possible14:25
spaceninjalittle but powerful code14:25
charlie-tcaThat won't happen in Vista14:25
TheSheepspaceninja: ever tried archlinux?14:26
spaceninjayes, but I think it's bloated14:26
spaceninjaI'm using crux now14:26
TheSheepI guess there is no helping then :)14:26
spaceninjaarch is almost based on crux14:26
spaceninjabut I will get xubuntu installed14:27
TheSheepspaceninja: you can't possibly expect less bloat from a distro that's supposed to work out of the box for mostly anyone :)14:27
spaceninjaI've used it for 1 year, and it's massivly bloated compared with crux14:28
spaceninjawhen I become a millionare, I will build the perfect system14:30
spaceninjaand make it open source14:30
TheSheepspaceninja: don't forget to go on a touristic trip into space first14:35
spaceninjagood idea :D14:36
spaceninjabut before I do that, I'll install xubuntu on my eepc14:36
amerigosomebody can help me??16:38
ubottuPlease don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-)16:38
amerigoAfter i connect USB modem to kubuntu, PC is frozen.16:38
vinnlamerigo, Kubuntu or Xubuntu?16:38
amerigoDuring shoutdown "Shutting Bluetooth Service" still remain several times and system is blocked16:38
vinnlamerigo, then I suppose you're better off in #kubuntu :)16:38
amerigoi ask but nobody answer16:39
vinnlWell, you have more change of people knowing what to do with Kubuntu there than here16:39
vallhalla81hi there i am building a vm to test xubuntu in could you tell me what is the kernel for the stable releseplease?18:19
TheSheep 2.6.24-21-generic18:20
vallhalla81thank you18:20
charlie-tcaI feel cheated. I'm showing  2.6.24-19-generic in Hardy, version
vallhalla81charlie-tca when was your last update?18:22
charlie-tcaI don't know, couple of days.18:22
vallhalla81odd then18:22
* TheSheep has the proposed repo enabled...18:22
charlie-tcaI'll just have to update18:22
TheSheepso maybe it's not exactly stable18:23
TheSheepbut that's not really a version of kernel itslef :)18:23
charlie-tcaI don't understand it all. I'll keep quiet :)18:23
TheSheepit's still kernel version 2.6.2418:24
TheSheepthe -21 is just a distro-specific version18:24
TheSheepthings like compiling options, init script and patches18:24
jalscan anyone think of a simple way to recursively open all the images in a directory and save them18:47
jalsi have some corrupted images which seem to get fixed when i open them in gimp and save them again18:47
TheSheepjals: how do you tell that they are broken?18:48
jalsin gimp it says premature end to jpeg18:49
TheSheepyou could use convert command from ImageMagick, together with find18:50
jalshmm yeah18:52
jalsso just convert it to itself?18:54
TheSheepyeah, maybe with some optimizations, once you're at it :)18:56
jalsso something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {}19:03
TheSheepyou might need some \; or something19:04
TheSheepcan't remember, look at find's examples19:04
jalsyeah i saw that in some examples, didn't know what it did19:04
jalsso something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \:19:05
jalsso something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \;19:05
TheSheepyeah, probably19:07
jalsi think that's gonna work baby19:08
JannoTTI need help with my xubuntu(installed using wubi) anyways when booting up the kernel(i think) starts screaming that it cant configure my webcam(it does not work) and never stops. So i cant boot up19:39
JannoTTAnd live-cd does not have that kinda problem19:40
JannoTTphuck it. Uninstall for win19:52
ubottuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX20:42
nnulldoes xubuntu come with ssh server installed?20:51
ubottuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/20:51
charlie-tcaYeah!! Beta release is out20:52
charlie-tcannull: it does not come with server installed; I think the ssh client is, though.20:52
nnullok thx20:55
nnullim trying to vnc into my ssh server and im getting this: vncserver: Wrong type or access mode of /home/username/.vnc. -- do i need to have xfce running before i start vncserver or?21:24
TheSheepnnull: I think it's talking about permissions of that file21:25
nnullmmm any idea how id fix?21:26
TheSheepit's pretty bad error message, as it doesn't say what "access mode" is correct, though :(21:26
TheSheepnnull: try making it readable only to the user21:26
nnullTheSheep¬ when i login to the VNC, i just get the terminal, and if i type startxfce4 it crashes21:37
nnullor if i do it thru ssh it says user not authorized to run the x server21:39
* TheSheep has no idea21:40
zoredachennull: you trying to connect to an exising session?  Are you using x11vnc, or are you trying to setup a seperate session?21:40
nnullzoredache¬ i start the session while logged in via SSH, then login to the VNC via vinigare..21:45
nnulllet me try again i thinkits wierd lol21:45
Odd-rationalennull: did you read !vnc ?21:48
nnullwhat vnc server do you recomend for xubuntu22:06
nnulli apt-get vino but now its not there?22:09
nnullterminal vino & alt+f2 vino does nothing22:09
vinnl!info vino22:09
ubottuvino (source: vino): VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.1-1 (hardy), package size 196 kB, installed size 2512 kB22:09
Odd-rationalennull: i think you start it with vino-prefereneces ...22:09
nnullah k ta22:10
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nnullis there anything else i need to run after running vino-preferences ? because i cant see it listening in netstat?22:25
nnullor htop22:26
zabbadappwhat could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a couple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime.22:30
TheSheepzabbadapp: you can use lsof to list all open files22:31
zabbadappTheSheep: ok ... but none is open in /mnt  :-(22:33
nnullTheSheep¬ any idea why vino doesnt start after i do vino-prefs ?22:39
TheSheepnnull: no, sorry, I have very little experience with vnc22:39
nnullOdd-rationale¬ ??22:40
TheSheepomg, gimp 2.6.0 released!22:41
vinnlTheSheep, cool, eh? :)22:42
vinnl(Actually, I find the new window handling quite annoying, but then again, I didn't convert it back to how it was)22:42
TheSheepvinnl: you have no idea!22:42
TheSheepvinnl: new window handling?22:42
* vinnl already awaits 2.8 ^.^22:42
vinnlTheSheep, well, there's an image window always open and the other two are now given the "Utility Window" hint22:42
vinnlWhich means they're not shown in the taskbar and hover over the other window22:43
TheSheepah, I had it always like htis22:43
TheSheepexcept for image window always open, of course22:43
nnullif im ssh'ed into a machine how do i get files from it ?22:43
TheSheepnuuse scp22:43
TheSheepnnull: use scp22:43
nnullnot sftp?22:43
nnulloh scp.. heh22:43
TheSheepnnull: scp user@host:file user@host:file22:44
TheSheepnnull: you can also use local paths there, of course22:44
nnullTheSheep¬ keeps saying connection to port 22 refused22:51
nnullim using a custom port, do i need to change something for scp? ifso where do you know?22:51
nnulli tried specifing the port with scp -P22:51
nnullno luck22:51
nnullnevermind, sftp ftw.22:56
charlie-tcahi verme23:52
vermehello charlie-tca23:52
charlie-tcaGot a question?23:52
charlie-tcaGenelyk, beta is released23:52

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