[00:24]  * flyback gives in to the headache and goes to bed
[01:46] <tim> I can't mount a usb drive that works on another linux machine
[01:50] <favro> are ther errors returned?
[01:50] <tim> not from fdisk
[01:50] <tim> but dmesg gives:
[01:50] <tim> usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110
[01:51] <tim> after a bit
[01:53] <favro> hmmm if you use the -v option with mount what does it return?
[01:55] <tim> mount what? theres only sda* and sdb* the internal drives
[01:56] <favro> the usb drive isn't listed in fdisk at all?
[01:56] <tim> nope
[01:57] <favro> tried it in a diff usb port?
[01:57] <tim> yep
[02:00] <favro> if it works on another comp it prob is your h/ware
[02:00] <tim> but I have lots of other thumb drives and sd cards that work
[03:19] <nclife> hey. I have this keyboard configuration problem, I have another keyboard layout and would like to change it. How can I do that?
[03:20] <favro> !keyboard
[03:24] <nclife> thankyou
[03:30] <nclife> what
[03:30] <nclife> 's a good cl text editor
[03:31] <nclife> I don't remembe any
[03:32] <nclife> ah, nano was one
[03:37] <nclife> sweet, it worked.
[03:44] <Odd-rationale> nclife: a more powerfull text editor is vim
[03:45] <nclife> yeah, that's the one I knew how to use
[03:45] <nclife> thanks
[03:47] <phayz> is there much difference between a minimal ubuntu install, to which xfce4 is added, and xubuntu?  in terms of how things work?
[03:48] <phayz> i've taken the first option but am finding that a few things don't see to work as they should
[03:49] <Odd-rationale> phayz: did you install xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop?
[03:49] <phayz> Odd-rationale: i installed xfce4, not xubuntu-desktop, because i wanted to be able to choose my own apps individually
[03:50] <Odd-rationale> phayz: ok. what doesn't work?
[03:50] <phayz> for example, i find that the services manager doesn't work - the unlock button is grayed/greyed out
[03:51] <Odd-rationale> phayz: what service manager?
[03:51] <cody-somerville> phayz, You need to install policykit
[03:51] <phayz> Odd-rationale: dang! i can't remember its name right now
[03:52] <phayz> cody-somerville: THE cody-somerville!  wow!
[03:52] <Odd-rationale> yeah, i was thinking it was a polciykit issue...
[03:52] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: I could not duplicate the partitioning problem
[03:52] <charlie-tca> Perhaps operator error was involved :(
[03:52] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, Whats the date on the image you're testing btw?
[03:52] <cody-somerville> phayz, what does that mean? :)
[03:52] <charlie-tca> 2008-09-30
[03:53] <phayz> how the heck did a services manager application come to be named "bum"!?  :P
[03:53] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, can you help test the beta candidate?
[03:53] <charlie-tca> Yes, where is it?
[03:53] <phayz> cody-somerville: aren't you one of the lead developers of xubuntu? (possibly THE lead)
[03:53] <Odd-rationale> xubuntu hug day is tomorrow? or has it already started for you?
[03:54] <charlie-tca> Odd-rationale: xubuntu hug day is tomorrow
[03:54] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, 10-01 is the candidate
[03:54] <cody-somerville> charlie-tca, so the current "current"
[03:54] <Odd-rationale> charlie-tca: yeah, for me it is... i though that you might be in a different time zone...
[03:54] <Odd-rationale> :P
[03:54] <charlie-tca> Then I have the alternate, and will go get the live cd now and test both tonight
[03:54]  * cody-somerville notes that the candidate needs to be tested *now* if we're going to release a beta :P
[03:55] <phayz> what's the date of xubuntu hug day?
[03:55] <Odd-rationale> i won't be able to help, unfortunately. as i have loads of studies to do...
[03:55] <Odd-rationale> phayz: oct 2
[03:55] <charlie-tca> I downloaded the alternate earlier, so I'll run it while downloading the live cd
[03:55] <phayz> cool! that's today - local date in australia
[03:55] <phayz> who am i supposed to hug?
[03:56]  * cody-somerville notes that he is 4 minutes away from oct 2nd :)
[03:56] <Odd-rationale> phayz: http://cody.zapto.org/?p=45
[03:56] <phayz> 12:56 local time
[03:57] <charlie-tca> phayz, the list is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081002
[03:57] <charlie-tca> Get em while they are available!
[03:57] <phayz> charlie-tca: thanks
[04:00] <phayz> "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" (op status) :P
[04:01] <cody-somerville> ;]
[04:01]  * cody-somerville is burning beta live cd.
[04:03] <phayz> ...and sending a copy to australia?
[04:04] <cody-somerville> hehe
[04:07] <phayz> is the xubuntu beta available on an ftp site somewhere?  (dang!  i can't type properly)
[04:08] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ is the one we are testing for release
[04:11] <phayz> is there a simple way of getting a wiki page nicely formatted for printing?
[04:12] <cody-somerville> which wiki?
[04:13] <phayz> the ubuntu one.  i'm reading a bugsquad page and want to read it on the train (in paper form)
[04:13] <cody-somerville> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081002?action=print
[04:14] <phayz> thanks!  that's exactly what i was looking for.  please don't tell me there's such a link on each page :(
[04:16]  * charlie-tca charlie needs to get a second monitor
[04:18] <phayz> is xubuntu likely to run acceptably on a laptop with only 32 mb memory?
[04:19] <charlie-tca> phayz: I don't think so. I run it on an old PII 400MHz cpu with 256 mb Ram and it is slow
[04:19] <charlie-tca> The install using the alternate takes me about 1 and 1/2 hours
[04:20] <phayz> charlie-tca: thanks.  it runs win 98 and i'd hoped for an alternative
[04:22] <charlie-tca> Maybe DSL? I think it will run on it
[04:23] <charlie-tca> You could check their website at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/
[04:31] <phayz> charlie-tca: thanks.  i think i'll try a distro named "slitaz".  that goodness this is not my main pc :)
[04:31] <phayz> *thank* goodness
[04:33] <charlie-tca> np
[05:48] <charlie-tca> cody-somerville: tested the Alternate-cd. We no longer have help. clicking on help on the
[05:48]  * cody-somerville nods.
[05:48] <cody-somerville> Known issue :)
[05:49] <charlie-tca> Also, quick search in synaptic Package Manager failed again.
[05:49] <charlie-tca> Searched on gedit, nothing. Use Search button, 8 packages found
[05:50] <charlie-tca> Other than that and network manager with static settings, looks good.
[05:50] <charlie-tca> We do still have Midori in the menu.
[05:52] <evilbug> hey.
[06:05] <cody-somerville> Hi
[06:11] <flyback> this is so fucking cool, I am downloading the data from my cell phone with a smashed display, inside a windows 2000 vm using drivers for a usb to serial cable that is attached to the linux host that the windows 2000 vm is running on
[07:38] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu HUG DAY today! Let's see how many we can work.
[08:38] <dmh65> can anyone get a google site?
[08:40] <mirex> I can
[08:40] <dmh65> hmmm, must be my end
[08:40] <mirex> try downforeveryoneorjustme.com
[08:41] <dmh65> :)
[08:41] <mirex> really, its a good testing tool
[08:42] <dmh65> yeah, thanks, it's just me :)
[08:42] <dmh65> anything to do with google
[08:42] <dmh65> bizzare
[09:30] <dmh65> this is wierd, I cannot connect to anything google, linux or windows?
[09:30] <dmh65> its like they have banned me :)
[09:31] <dmh65> I know I complained about all the associated press stuff on my news page the other day but...
[09:31] <dmh65> :)
[09:34] <Myrtti> your dns has gone awry
[09:38] <mirex> dmh65: contact your internet provider, he should check your dns
[09:39] <mirex> or to test it: got to webpage 209.85.135.99 if it opens a google web for you
[09:39] <Natenjo> hey guyes Ive installed konquoror and i want to make it to my default file manager...how do i do this??
[09:56] <Natenjo> plz still answer the question from Natenjo^^ i just had to switch pc's
[10:04] <mirex> dunno, but try googling.
[10:04] <mirex> http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nonautilusplease
[10:04] <mirex> http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+how+to+change+default+file+manager
[10:05] <Natenjo> thx I'll have a look it it..i just googled i german and disnt find anything usefull :P
[10:29] <verme> hi
[10:30] <verme> any xubuntu user wants to be a beta tester?
[10:30] <verme> thanks in advance ^^
[10:33] <cody-somerville> \o/
[10:34] <gabkdlly> I am planning to do some beta testing today, as soon as I get done backing up
[10:35] <gabkdlly> we should have a link to isos in the subject
[10:35] <verme> i refer to an application i'm developing...
[10:36] <verme> it is an application that runs in ubuntu but do not runs in xubuntu
[10:36] <mirex> what does the application do ?
[10:37] <verme> ARAS
[10:43] <verme> hum
[12:03] <spaceninja> can xubuntu play flash without the use of ugly hacks?
[12:04] <knome> spaceninja, ugly hacks?
[12:04] <spaceninja> yes, clean code, no code bloat :)
[12:04] <knome> eh...
[12:05] <spaceninja> forgot to add x86_64
[12:05] <knome> spaceninja, you can choose between (mozilla-plugin-)gnash (free) and flashplugin-nonfree (adobe)
[12:05] <TheSheep> spaceninja: no, flash player is one big code bloat, it's closed source and written by adobe, so no help heree
[12:06] <knome> TheSheep, there is gnash ;)
[12:06] <TheSheep> knome: but doesn't play most of ugly hacks made by so clled web developers
[12:06] <knome> sure, but plays something at least
[12:07] <TheSheep> Teh Intarweb is infested with ugly hacks
[12:07] <knome> TheSheep, + don't scorch *all* the web developers
[12:07] <TheSheep> knome: why not?
[12:07] <spaceninja> does xubuntu use ubuntu's repos'?
[12:07] <knome> spaceninja, yes
[12:07] <knome> TheSheep, because i, for example, am a web developer and i don't do ugly hacks
[12:08] <spaceninja> do you use javascripts?
[12:08] <knome> spaceninja, ajax, yes, obstrustive javascript, no
[12:08] <knome> -t
[12:08] <spaceninja> knome: heard of jquery?
[12:09] <knome> spaceninja, nope
[12:09] <spaceninja> I have, sounds good, but I haven't tried it
[12:09] <knome> i try to avoid using ajax if i don't need to
[12:09] <spaceninja> ok
[12:10] <spaceninja> would you say that xubuntu has the least ammount of bloat compared with ubuntu and kubuntu?
[12:10] <knome> yes
[12:10] <spaceninja> cool
[12:11] <spaceninja> I don't like bloat
[12:11] <knome> who does?
[12:11]  * knome looks around
[12:11] <spaceninja> the people who doesn't care about it
[12:11] <spaceninja> -the
[12:11] <knome> or they have just started not to care about it, even they don't like it
[12:11] <spaceninja> well no one likes bloat, but alot of people are just messy
[12:12] <spaceninja> I don't like messy people, I hate being in their rooms
[12:12] <spaceninja> :)
[12:12] <spaceninja> order please!
[12:12] <knome> i'd like a coke.
[12:13] <spaceninja> :D
[12:14] <spaceninja> it took me a while to figure out the joke
[12:14] <knome> ha ;)
[12:14] <spaceninja> hehe good one :)
[12:15] <spaceninja> well, I'm off installing xubuntu
[12:15] <spaceninja> lets examine the bloatiness of it
[12:15] <spaceninja> bloatedness
[12:17] <spaceninja> I assume that the bloat indicator test might be positive due to the ubuntu heritage
[12:27] <tuna> spaceninja: mostly due to the memleaks in xfce4
[12:33] <spaceninja> oh
[13:01] <spaceninja> what's xubuntu intrepid ibex?
[13:02] <TheSheep> !intrepid
[13:08] <spaceninja> oh
[13:28] <spaceninja> I just read a review about some intrepid version, and it had orange and midori apps that aren't in the current release.
[13:28] <TheSheep> spaceninja: they were in betas for testing
[13:28] <TheSheep> spaceninja: but has been removed for release
[13:28] <spaceninja> why?
[13:28] <spaceninja> not stable enough?
[13:28] <TheSheep> spaceninja: because those are beta apps
[13:28] <TheSheep> spaceninja: yes
[13:28] <spaceninja> ok
[13:33] <spaceninja> does it take a long time to bootup xubuntu for the first time?
[13:34] <spaceninja> how do I see the terminal output?
[13:36] <spaceninja> great, errors :)
[13:36] <charlie-tca> spaceninja: Depends on your hardware, but not longer than ubuntu
[13:37] <spaceninja> The boot stopped and gave me a initramfs prompt
[13:37] <spaceninja> it can't find my hdd device or something
[13:38] <charlie-tca> Did it give any error messages?
[13:39] <spaceninja> yes
[13:39] <charlie-tca> what?
[13:41] <spaceninja> I rebooted the computer, I have to stare into the bootup logo for 5 minutes before it produces the error output
[13:42] <charlie-tca> Hit Escape when it says Grub, hilight the boot line, hit e to edit, remove quiet at the end of the line
[13:42] <charlie-tca> That will give boot messages under the throbber for that boot
[13:48] <spaceninja> check root-bootarg car /proc/cmdline or missing modules devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev  ALERT /dev/disk/by-uuid/blahlbah....a.sd.34..2.3.4.23.4.blah does not exist. Dropping to a Shell
[13:49] <spaceninja> cat
[13:50] <charlie-tca> bad installation, I think. did you have any errors during the installation?
[13:51] <spaceninja> none
[13:52] <spaceninja> well
[13:53] <spaceninja> I have to try xubuntu another time, back to crux linux.
[13:53] <charlie-tca> None? Did the cd pass the "Check cd for defects?"
[13:58] <spaceninja> doesn't matter, I believe it's the /dev/by-uuid/
[13:59] <spaceninja> I assume it's a debian bloat
[14:18] <spaceninja> debian turned into a swamp, and ubuntu built a skyscraper on top of it. :)
[14:19] <spaceninja> and soon it will collapse on its own weight
[14:19]  * charlie-tca hoping not 
[14:20] <spaceninja> the same thing is happening to vista
[14:21] <spaceninja> oh well :)
[14:21] <charlie-tca> Yes, but they have an awful lot of dead code
[14:23] <spaceninja> what a great way to express it, dead code, I love it
[14:23] <spaceninja> yes, too much dead code
[14:24] <charlie-tca> yea, my wording may be wrong
[14:24] <charlie-tca> but the meaning is the same :)
[14:25] <spaceninja> But I want the code to be as small as possible
[14:25] <spaceninja> little but powerful code
[14:25] <charlie-tca> That won't happen in Vista
[14:26] <TheSheep> spaceninja: ever tried archlinux?
[14:26] <spaceninja> yes, but I think it's bloated
[14:26] <TheSheep> ah
[14:26] <spaceninja> I'm using crux now
[14:26] <TheSheep> I guess there is no helping then :)
[14:26] <spaceninja> arch is almost based on crux
[14:27] <spaceninja> but I will get xubuntu installed
[14:27] <TheSheep> spaceninja: you can't possibly expect less bloat from a distro that's supposed to work out of the box for mostly anyone :)
[14:28] <spaceninja> I've used it for 1 year, and it's massivly bloated compared with crux
[14:30] <spaceninja> :D
[14:30] <spaceninja> when I become a millionare, I will build the perfect system
[14:30] <spaceninja> and make it open source
[14:35] <TheSheep> spaceninja: don't forget to go on a touristic trip into space first
[14:36] <spaceninja> good idea :D
[14:36] <spaceninja> but before I do that, I'll install xubuntu on my eepc
[16:38] <amerigo> somebody can help me??
[16:38] <vinnl> !ask
[16:38] <amerigo> After i connect USB modem to kubuntu, PC is frozen.
[16:38] <vinnl> amerigo, Kubuntu or Xubuntu?
[16:38] <amerigo> During shoutdown "Shutting Bluetooth Service" still remain several times and system is blocked
[16:38] <amerigo> ummm
[16:38] <amerigo> kubuntu
[16:38] <vinnl> amerigo, then I suppose you're better off in #kubuntu :)
[16:39] <amerigo> i ask but nobody answer
[16:39] <vinnl> Well, you have more change of people knowing what to do with Kubuntu there than here
[18:19] <vallhalla81> hi there i am building a vm to test xubuntu in could you tell me what is the kernel for the stable releseplease?
[18:20] <TheSheep>  2.6.24-21-generic
[18:20] <vallhalla81> thank you
[18:21] <charlie-tca> I feel cheated. I'm showing  2.6.24-19-generic in Hardy, version 8.04.01.
[18:22] <vallhalla81> ﻿charlie-tca when was your last update?
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I don't know, couple of days.
[18:22] <vallhalla81> odd then
[18:22]  * TheSheep has the proposed repo enabled...
[18:22] <charlie-tca> I'll just have to update
[18:23] <TheSheep> so maybe it's not exactly stable
[18:23] <TheSheep> but that's not really a version of kernel itslef :)
[18:23] <charlie-tca> I don't understand it all. I'll keep quiet :)
[18:24] <TheSheep> it's still kernel version 2.6.24
[18:24] <TheSheep> the -21 is just a distro-specific version
[18:24] <TheSheep> things like compiling options, init script and patches
[18:47] <jals> can anyone think of a simple way to recursively open all the images in a directory and save them
[18:47] <jals> i have some corrupted images which seem to get fixed when i open them in gimp and save them again
[18:48] <TheSheep> jals: how do you tell that they are broken?
[18:49] <jals> in gimp it says premature end to jpeg
[18:50] <TheSheep> you could use convert command from ImageMagick, together with find
[18:52] <jals> hmm yeah
[18:54] <jals> so just convert it to itself?
[18:56] <TheSheep> yeah, maybe with some optimizations, once you're at it :)
[19:03] <jals> so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {}
[19:03] <jals> ?
[19:04] <TheSheep> you might need some \; or something
[19:04] <TheSheep> can't remember, look at find's examples
[19:04] <jals> yeah i saw that in some examples, didn't know what it did
[19:05] <jals> so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \:
[19:05] <jals> so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \;
[19:07] <TheSheep> yeah, probably
[19:08] <jals> i think that's gonna work baby
[19:39] <JannoTT> I need help with my xubuntu(installed using wubi) anyways when booting up the kernel(i think) starts screaming that it cant configure my webcam(it does not work) and never stops. So i cant boot up
[19:40] <JannoTT> And live-cd does not have that kinda problem
[19:52] <JannoTT> phuck it. Uninstall for win
[20:42] <nnull> !vnc
[20:51] <nnull> does xubuntu come with ssh server installed?
[20:51] <nnull> !ssh
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Yeah!! Beta release is out
[20:52] <charlie-tca> nnull: it does not come with server installed; I think the ssh client is, though.
[20:55] <nnull> ok thx
[21:24] <nnull> im trying to vnc into my ssh server and im getting this: vncserver: Wrong type or access mode of /home/username/.vnc. -- do i need to have xfce running before i start vncserver or?
[21:25] <TheSheep> nnull: I think it's talking about permissions of that file
[21:26] <nnull> mmm any idea how id fix?
[21:26] <TheSheep> it's pretty bad error message, as it doesn't say what "access mode" is correct, though :(
[21:26] <nnull> :x
[21:26] <TheSheep> nnull: try making it readable only to the user
[21:37] <nnull> TheSheep¬ when i login to the VNC, i just get the terminal, and if i type startxfce4 it crashes
[21:39] <nnull> or if i do it thru ssh it says user not authorized to run the x server
[21:40] <TheSheep> :/
[21:40]  * TheSheep has no idea
[21:40] <zoredache> nnull: you trying to connect to an exising session?  Are you using x11vnc, or are you trying to setup a seperate session?
[21:45] <nnull> zoredache¬ i start the session while logged in via SSH, then login to the VNC via vinigare..
[21:45] <nnull> let me try again i thinkits wierd lol
[21:48] <Odd-rationale> nnull: did you read !vnc ?
[21:49] <nnull> yea
[22:06] <nnull> what vnc server do you recomend for xubuntu
[22:06] <cody-somerville> vino
[22:06] <nnull> kkkk
[22:09] <nnull> i apt-get vino but now its not there?
[22:09] <nnull> terminal vino & alt+f2 vino does nothing
[22:09] <vinnl> !info vino
[22:09] <Odd-rationale> nnull: i think you start it with vino-prefereneces ...
[22:10] <nnull> ah k ta
[22:25] <nnull> is there anything else i need to run after running vino-preferences ? because i cant see it listening in netstat?
[22:26] <nnull> or htop
[22:30] <zabbadapp> what could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a couple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime.
[22:31] <TheSheep> zabbadapp: you can use lsof to list all open files
[22:33] <zabbadapp> TheSheep: ok ... but none is open in /mnt  :-(
[22:39] <nnull> TheSheep¬ any idea why vino doesnt start after i do vino-prefs ?
[22:39] <TheSheep> nnull: no, sorry, I have very little experience with vnc
[22:40] <nnull> Odd-rationale¬ ??
[22:41] <TheSheep> omg, gimp 2.6.0 released!
[22:42] <vinnl> TheSheep, cool, eh? :)
[22:42] <vinnl> (Actually, I find the new window handling quite annoying, but then again, I didn't convert it back to how it was)
[22:42] <TheSheep> vinnl: you have no idea!
[22:42] <TheSheep> vinnl: new window handling?
[22:42]  * vinnl already awaits 2.8 ^.^
[22:42] <vinnl> TheSheep, well, there's an image window always open and the other two are now given the "Utility Window" hint
[22:43] <vinnl> Which means they're not shown in the taskbar and hover over the other window
[22:43] <TheSheep> ah, I had it always like htis
[22:43] <TheSheep> this
[22:43] <vinnl> :)
[22:43] <TheSheep> except for image window always open, of course
[22:43] <nnull> if im ssh'ed into a machine how do i get files from it ?
[22:43] <TheSheep> nuuse scp
[22:43] <TheSheep> nnull: use scp
[22:43] <nnull> ok
[22:43] <nnull> not sftp?
[22:43] <nnull> oh scp.. heh
[22:44] <TheSheep> nnull: scp user@host:file user@host:file
[22:44] <TheSheep> nnull: you can also use local paths there, of course
[22:51] <nnull> TheSheep¬ keeps saying connection to port 22 refused
[22:51] <nnull> im using a custom port, do i need to change something for scp? ifso where do you know?
[22:51] <nnull> i tried specifing the port with scp -P
[22:51] <nnull> no luck
[22:56] <nnull> nevermind, sftp ftw.
[22:57] <nnull> bbs
[23:51] <verme> hi
[23:52] <charlie-tca> hi verme
[23:52] <verme> hello charlie-tca
[23:52] <Genelyk> beta
[23:52] <Genelyk> ?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> Got a question?
[23:52] <charlie-tca> Genelyk, beta is released
[23:53] <charlie-tca> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/beta/