[00:24] * flyback gives in to the headache and goes to bed [01:46] I can't mount a usb drive that works on another linux machine [01:50] are ther errors returned? [01:50] not from fdisk [01:50] but dmesg gives: [01:50] usb 2-2: device descriptor read/64, error -110 [01:51] after a bit [01:53] hmmm if you use the -v option with mount what does it return? [01:55] mount what? theres only sda* and sdb* the internal drives [01:56] the usb drive isn't listed in fdisk at all? [01:56] nope [01:57] tried it in a diff usb port? [01:57] yep [02:00] if it works on another comp it prob is your h/ware [02:00] but I have lots of other thumb drives and sd cards that work [03:19] hey. I have this keyboard configuration problem, I have another keyboard layout and would like to change it. How can I do that? [03:20] !keyboard [03:20] To switch your keyboard layout on GNOME: System -> Preferences -> Keyboard (GNOME) - KDE: K -> System Settings -> Regional & Language -> Keyboard Layout (KDE) - Xfce: see https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/xubuntu/desktopguide/C/switch-keyboard-layout.html - See also !Shortcuts === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [03:24] thankyou [03:30] what [03:30] 's a good cl text editor [03:31] I don't remembe any [03:32] ah, nano was one [03:37] sweet, it worked. [03:44] nclife: a more powerfull text editor is vim [03:45] yeah, that's the one I knew how to use [03:45] thanks [03:47] is there much difference between a minimal ubuntu install, to which xfce4 is added, and xubuntu? in terms of how things work? [03:48] i've taken the first option but am finding that a few things don't see to work as they should [03:49] phayz: did you install xfce4 or xubuntu-desktop? [03:49] Odd-rationale: i installed xfce4, not xubuntu-desktop, because i wanted to be able to choose my own apps individually [03:50] phayz: ok. what doesn't work? [03:50] for example, i find that the services manager doesn't work - the unlock button is grayed/greyed out [03:51] phayz: what service manager? [03:51] phayz, You need to install policykit [03:51] Odd-rationale: dang! i can't remember its name right now [03:52] cody-somerville: THE cody-somerville! wow! [03:52] yeah, i was thinking it was a polciykit issue... [03:52] cody-somerville: I could not duplicate the partitioning problem [03:52] Perhaps operator error was involved :( [03:52] charlie-tca, Whats the date on the image you're testing btw? [03:52] phayz, what does that mean? :) [03:52] 2008-09-30 [03:53] how the heck did a services manager application come to be named "bum"!? :P [03:53] charlie-tca, can you help test the beta candidate? [03:53] Yes, where is it? [03:53] cody-somerville: aren't you one of the lead developers of xubuntu? (possibly THE lead) [03:53] xubuntu hug day is tomorrow? or has it already started for you? [03:54] Odd-rationale: xubuntu hug day is tomorrow [03:54] charlie-tca, 10-01 is the candidate [03:54] charlie-tca, so the current "current" [03:54] charlie-tca: yeah, for me it is... i though that you might be in a different time zone... [03:54] :P [03:54] Then I have the alternate, and will go get the live cd now and test both tonight [03:54] * cody-somerville notes that the candidate needs to be tested *now* if we're going to release a beta :P [03:55] what's the date of xubuntu hug day? [03:55] i won't be able to help, unfortunately. as i have loads of studies to do... [03:55] phayz: oct 2 [03:55] I downloaded the alternate earlier, so I'll run it while downloading the live cd [03:55] cool! that's today - local date in australia [03:55] who am i supposed to hug? [03:56] * cody-somerville notes that he is 4 minutes away from oct 2nd :) [03:56] phayz: http://cody.zapto.org/?p=45 [03:56] 12:56 local time [03:57] phayz, the list is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081002 [03:57] Get em while they are available! [03:57] charlie-tca: thanks === cody-somerville changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 8.04 Released: http://xubuntu.org/news/hardy/release | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | Need help and no one around? Get in on the mailing list action at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Today is Xubuntu Hug Day! Help test the === cody-somerville changed the topic of #xubuntu to: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | Xubuntu 8.04 Released: http://xubuntu.org/news/hardy/release | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Get Support: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu.com | Need help and no one around? Get in on the mailing list action at http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Today is Xubuntu Hug Day! Help test the beta [04:00] "the lord giveth and the lord taketh away" (op status) :P [04:01] ;] [04:01] * cody-somerville is burning beta live cd. [04:03] ...and sending a copy to australia? [04:04] hehe [04:07] is the xubuntu beta available on an ftp site somewhere? (dang! i can't type properly) [04:08] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/ is the one we are testing for release [04:11] is there a simple way of getting a wiki page nicely formatted for printing? [04:12] which wiki? [04:13] the ubuntu one. i'm reading a bugsquad page and want to read it on the train (in paper form) [04:13] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20081002?action=print [04:14] thanks! that's exactly what i was looking for. please don't tell me there's such a link on each page :( [04:16] * charlie-tca charlie needs to get a second monitor [04:18] is xubuntu likely to run acceptably on a laptop with only 32 mb memory? [04:19] phayz: I don't think so. I run it on an old PII 400MHz cpu with 256 mb Ram and it is slow [04:19] The install using the alternate takes me about 1 and 1/2 hours [04:20] charlie-tca: thanks. it runs win 98 and i'd hoped for an alternative [04:22] Maybe DSL? I think it will run on it [04:23] You could check their website at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ [04:31] charlie-tca: thanks. i think i'll try a distro named "slitaz". that goodness this is not my main pc :) [04:31] *thank* goodness [04:33] np [05:48] cody-somerville: tested the Alternate-cd. We no longer have help. clicking on help on the [05:48] * cody-somerville nods. [05:48] Known issue :) [05:49] Also, quick search in synaptic Package Manager failed again. [05:49] Searched on gedit, nothing. Use Search button, 8 packages found [05:50] Other than that and network manager with static settings, looks good. [05:50] We do still have Midori in the menu. [05:52] hey. [06:05] Hi [06:11] this is so fucking cool, I am downloading the data from my cell phone with a smashed display, inside a windows 2000 vm using drivers for a usb to serial cable that is attached to the linux host that the windows 2000 vm is running on === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville [07:38] Xubuntu HUG DAY today! Let's see how many we can work. [08:38] can anyone get a google site? [08:40] I can [08:40] hmmm, must be my end [08:40] try downforeveryoneorjustme.com [08:41] :) [08:41] really, its a good testing tool [08:42] yeah, thanks, it's just me :) [08:42] anything to do with google [08:42] bizzare [09:30] this is wierd, I cannot connect to anything google, linux or windows? [09:30] its like they have banned me :) [09:31] I know I complained about all the associated press stuff on my news page the other day but... [09:31] :) [09:34] your dns has gone awry [09:38] dmh65: contact your internet provider, he should check your dns [09:39] or to test it: got to webpage 209.85.135.99 if it opens a google web for you [09:39] hey guyes Ive installed konquoror and i want to make it to my default file manager...how do i do this?? === Natenjo_ is now known as Natenjo [09:56] plz still answer the question from Natenjo^^ i just had to switch pc's [10:04] dunno, but try googling. [10:04] http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nonautilusplease [10:04] http://www.google.com/search?q=xubuntu+how+to+change+default+file+manager [10:05] thx I'll have a look it it..i just googled i german and disnt find anything usefull :P [10:29] hi [10:30] any xubuntu user wants to be a beta tester? [10:30] thanks in advance ^^ [10:33] \o/ [10:34] I am planning to do some beta testing today, as soon as I get done backing up [10:35] we should have a link to isos in the subject [10:35] i refer to an application i'm developing... [10:36] it is an application that runs in ubuntu but do not runs in xubuntu [10:36] what does the application do ? [10:37] ARAS [10:43] hum === danopia__ is now known as danopia [12:03] can xubuntu play flash without the use of ugly hacks? [12:04] spaceninja, ugly hacks? [12:04] yes, clean code, no code bloat :) [12:04] eh... [12:05] forgot to add x86_64 [12:05] spaceninja, you can choose between (mozilla-plugin-)gnash (free) and flashplugin-nonfree (adobe) [12:05] spaceninja: no, flash player is one big code bloat, it's closed source and written by adobe, so no help heree [12:06] TheSheep, there is gnash ;) [12:06] knome: but doesn't play most of ugly hacks made by so clled web developers [12:06] sure, but plays something at least [12:07] Teh Intarweb is infested with ugly hacks [12:07] TheSheep, + don't scorch *all* the web developers [12:07] knome: why not? [12:07] does xubuntu use ubuntu's repos'? [12:07] spaceninja, yes [12:07] TheSheep, because i, for example, am a web developer and i don't do ugly hacks [12:08] do you use javascripts? [12:08] spaceninja, ajax, yes, obstrustive javascript, no [12:08] -t [12:08] knome: heard of jquery? [12:09] spaceninja, nope [12:09] I have, sounds good, but I haven't tried it [12:09] i try to avoid using ajax if i don't need to [12:09] ok [12:10] would you say that xubuntu has the least ammount of bloat compared with ubuntu and kubuntu? [12:10] yes [12:10] cool [12:11] I don't like bloat [12:11] who does? [12:11] * knome looks around [12:11] the people who doesn't care about it [12:11] -the [12:11] or they have just started not to care about it, even they don't like it [12:11] well no one likes bloat, but alot of people are just messy [12:12] I don't like messy people, I hate being in their rooms [12:12] :) [12:12] order please! [12:12] i'd like a coke. [12:13] :D [12:14] it took me a while to figure out the joke [12:14] ha ;) [12:14] hehe good one :) [12:15] well, I'm off installing xubuntu [12:15] lets examine the bloatiness of it [12:15] bloatedness [12:17] I assume that the bloat indicator test might be positive due to the ubuntu heritage [12:27] spaceninja: mostly due to the memleaks in xfce4 [12:33] oh [13:01] what's xubuntu intrepid ibex? [13:02] !intrepid [13:02] Intrepid Ibex is the code name for Ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th, 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion | Warning lots of broken software between now and October! [13:08] oh === dmh65 is now known as MadHag [13:28] I just read a review about some intrepid version, and it had orange and midori apps that aren't in the current release. [13:28] spaceninja: they were in betas for testing [13:28] spaceninja: but has been removed for release [13:28] why? [13:28] not stable enough? [13:28] spaceninja: because those are beta apps [13:28] spaceninja: yes [13:28] ok [13:33] does it take a long time to bootup xubuntu for the first time? [13:34] how do I see the terminal output? [13:36] great, errors :) [13:36] spaceninja: Depends on your hardware, but not longer than ubuntu [13:37] The boot stopped and gave me a initramfs prompt [13:37] it can't find my hdd device or something [13:38] Did it give any error messages? [13:39] yes [13:39] what? [13:41] I rebooted the computer, I have to stare into the bootup logo for 5 minutes before it produces the error output [13:42] Hit Escape when it says Grub, hilight the boot line, hit e to edit, remove quiet at the end of the line [13:42] That will give boot messages under the throbber for that boot [13:48] check root-bootarg car /proc/cmdline or missing modules devices: cat /proc/modules ls /dev ALERT /dev/disk/by-uuid/blahlbah....a.sd.34..2.3.4.23.4.blah does not exist. Dropping to a Shell [13:49] cat [13:50] bad installation, I think. did you have any errors during the installation? [13:51] none [13:52] well [13:53] I have to try xubuntu another time, back to crux linux. [13:53] None? Did the cd pass the "Check cd for defects?" [13:58] doesn't matter, I believe it's the /dev/by-uuid/ [13:59] I assume it's a debian bloat [14:18] debian turned into a swamp, and ubuntu built a skyscraper on top of it. :) [14:19] and soon it will collapse on its own weight [14:19] * charlie-tca hoping not [14:20] the same thing is happening to vista [14:21] oh well :) [14:21] Yes, but they have an awful lot of dead code [14:23] what a great way to express it, dead code, I love it [14:23] yes, too much dead code [14:24] yea, my wording may be wrong [14:24] but the meaning is the same :) [14:25] But I want the code to be as small as possible [14:25] little but powerful code [14:25] That won't happen in Vista [14:26] spaceninja: ever tried archlinux? [14:26] yes, but I think it's bloated [14:26] ah [14:26] I'm using crux now [14:26] I guess there is no helping then :) [14:26] arch is almost based on crux [14:27] but I will get xubuntu installed [14:27] spaceninja: you can't possibly expect less bloat from a distro that's supposed to work out of the box for mostly anyone :) [14:28] I've used it for 1 year, and it's massivly bloated compared with crux [14:30] :D [14:30] when I become a millionare, I will build the perfect system [14:30] and make it open source [14:35] spaceninja: don't forget to go on a touristic trip into space first [14:36] good idea :D [14:36] but before I do that, I'll install xubuntu on my eepc [16:38] somebody can help me?? [16:38] !ask [16:38] Please don't ask to ask a question, ask the question (all on ONE line, so others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely answer. :-) [16:38] After i connect USB modem to kubuntu, PC is frozen. [16:38] amerigo, Kubuntu or Xubuntu? [16:38] During shoutdown "Shutting Bluetooth Service" still remain several times and system is blocked [16:38] ummm [16:38] kubuntu [16:38] amerigo, then I suppose you're better off in #kubuntu :) [16:39] i ask but nobody answer [16:39] Well, you have more change of people knowing what to do with Kubuntu there than here [18:19] hi there i am building a vm to test xubuntu in could you tell me what is the kernel for the stable releseplease? [18:20] 2.6.24-21-generic [18:20] thank you [18:21] I feel cheated. I'm showing 2.6.24-19-generic in Hardy, version 8.04.01. [18:22] charlie-tca when was your last update? [18:22] I don't know, couple of days. [18:22] odd then [18:22] * TheSheep has the proposed repo enabled... [18:22] I'll just have to update [18:23] so maybe it's not exactly stable [18:23] but that's not really a version of kernel itslef :) [18:23] I don't understand it all. I'll keep quiet :) [18:24] it's still kernel version 2.6.24 [18:24] the -21 is just a distro-specific version [18:24] things like compiling options, init script and patches [18:47] can anyone think of a simple way to recursively open all the images in a directory and save them [18:47] i have some corrupted images which seem to get fixed when i open them in gimp and save them again [18:48] jals: how do you tell that they are broken? [18:49] in gimp it says premature end to jpeg [18:50] you could use convert command from ImageMagick, together with find [18:52] hmm yeah [18:54] so just convert it to itself? [18:56] yeah, maybe with some optimizations, once you're at it :) [19:03] so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} [19:03] ? [19:04] you might need some \; or something [19:04] can't remember, look at find's examples [19:04] yeah i saw that in some examples, didn't know what it did [19:05] so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \: [19:05] so something like this: find -name *.jpg -exec convert {} {} \; [19:07] yeah, probably [19:08] i think that's gonna work baby [19:39] I need help with my xubuntu(installed using wubi) anyways when booting up the kernel(i think) starts screaming that it cant configure my webcam(it does not work) and never stops. So i cant boot up [19:40] And live-cd does not have that kinda problem [19:52] phuck it. Uninstall for win [20:42] !vnc [20:42] VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely. It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX [20:51] does xubuntu come with ssh server installed? [20:51] !ssh [20:51] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [20:52] Yeah!! Beta release is out [20:52] nnull: it does not come with server installed; I think the ssh client is, though. [20:55] ok thx [21:24] im trying to vnc into my ssh server and im getting this: vncserver: Wrong type or access mode of /home/username/.vnc. -- do i need to have xfce running before i start vncserver or? [21:25] nnull: I think it's talking about permissions of that file [21:26] mmm any idea how id fix? [21:26] it's pretty bad error message, as it doesn't say what "access mode" is correct, though :( [21:26] :x [21:26] nnull: try making it readable only to the user [21:37] TheSheep¬ when i login to the VNC, i just get the terminal, and if i type startxfce4 it crashes [21:39] or if i do it thru ssh it says user not authorized to run the x server [21:40] :/ [21:40] * TheSheep has no idea [21:40] nnull: you trying to connect to an exising session? Are you using x11vnc, or are you trying to setup a seperate session? [21:45] zoredache¬ i start the session while logged in via SSH, then login to the VNC via vinigare.. [21:45] let me try again i thinkits wierd lol [21:48] nnull: did you read !vnc ? [21:49] yea [22:06] what vnc server do you recomend for xubuntu [22:06] vino [22:06] kkkk [22:09] i apt-get vino but now its not there? [22:09] terminal vino & alt+f2 vino does nothing [22:09] !info vino [22:09] vino (source: vino): VNC server for GNOME. In component main, is optional. Version 2.22.1-1 (hardy), package size 196 kB, installed size 2512 kB [22:09] nnull: i think you start it with vino-prefereneces ... [22:10] ah k ta === danopia__ is now known as danopia [22:25] is there anything else i need to run after running vino-preferences ? because i cant see it listening in netstat? [22:26] or htop [22:30] what could be accessing my second HD and prevent it from ever spinning down? if I force it with hdparm -y it will stop, but spin up a couple of seconds later. It only has backup files and is rarely used. XFS and mounted with noatime. [22:31] zabbadapp: you can use lsof to list all open files [22:33] TheSheep: ok ... but none is open in /mnt :-( [22:39] TheSheep¬ any idea why vino doesnt start after i do vino-prefs ? [22:39] nnull: no, sorry, I have very little experience with vnc [22:40] Odd-rationale¬ ?? [22:41] omg, gimp 2.6.0 released! [22:42] TheSheep, cool, eh? :) [22:42] (Actually, I find the new window handling quite annoying, but then again, I didn't convert it back to how it was) [22:42] vinnl: you have no idea! [22:42] vinnl: new window handling? [22:42] * vinnl already awaits 2.8 ^.^ [22:42] TheSheep, well, there's an image window always open and the other two are now given the "Utility Window" hint [22:43] Which means they're not shown in the taskbar and hover over the other window [22:43] ah, I had it always like htis [22:43] this [22:43] :) [22:43] except for image window always open, of course [22:43] if im ssh'ed into a machine how do i get files from it ? [22:43] nuuse scp [22:43] nnull: use scp [22:43] ok [22:43] not sftp? [22:43] oh scp.. heh [22:44] nnull: scp user@host:file user@host:file [22:44] nnull: you can also use local paths there, of course [22:51] TheSheep¬ keeps saying connection to port 22 refused [22:51] im using a custom port, do i need to change something for scp? ifso where do you know? [22:51] i tried specifing the port with scp -P [22:51] no luck [22:56] nevermind, sftp ftw. [22:57] bbs [23:51] hi [23:52] hi verme [23:52] hello charlie-tca [23:52] beta [23:52] ? [23:52] Got a question? [23:52] Genelyk, beta is released [23:53] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/intrepid/beta/