| EdubuntuTco | hi all! | 03:20 |
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| HedgeMage | hi | 03:20 |
| EdubuntuTco | anyone can help me to find out how to show the console on the thin clients? | 03:21 |
| EdubuntuTco | the console in the thin clients only show a red screen | 03:22 |
| EdubuntuTco | sorry about my english :P | 03:23 |
| HedgeMage | EdubuntuTco: there's a vice presidential debate on here in the us so not many are online, you might have better luck tomorrow or later tonight | 03:25 |
| EdubuntuTco | ups! | 03:26 |
| EdubuntuTco | ok | 03:26 |
| EdubuntuTco | thx!! | 03:27 |
| EdubuntuTco | bye | 03:27 |
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| edubuntufan | hello, do we have any active people on right now? and what are our approved topics? | 17:17 |
| Nubae | approved topics? | 17:19 |
| edubuntufan | well, it says topic for edubuntu set by ogra. I am new to irc. SO I thought there might be a topic for the day. | 17:20 |
| Nubae | ah no... the topic is ancient... was set 3 weeks ago:-) | 17:25 |
| edubuntufan | Right now I have an edubuntu server running. It has a live internet connection in one nice, the other nic is not in the switch yet...I unplugged it. | 17:26 |
| edubuntufan | I have xubuntu stalled on an imac. | 17:26 |
| edubuntufan | I have installed the ltsp server and the nfs-kernel-server. | 17:26 |
| Nubae | right remember reading about this yesterday on here | 17:26 |
| edubuntufan | now I now I am trying to mount the server /opt/ltsp to the same folder on xubuntu. | 17:27 |
| edubuntufan | it won't let me. | 17:27 |
| Nubae | how are u mounting? | 17:27 |
| edubuntufan | my question is: Do I now need to take the imac off teh internet and put it on the edubuntu servers private network to do the next part? | 17:27 |
| Nubae | yes /opt/ltsp is usually mounted on the internal network | 17:28 |
| edubuntufan | sudo mount xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/opt/ltsp /opt/ltsp | 17:28 |
| Nubae | u have a file called /etc/exports? | 17:28 |
| Nubae | on the server that u want to share | 17:28 |
| edubuntufan | ok, so I will put it connected to the switch of the internel network. Then do I use the public IP address of muy server for the internet or the private ip address for the network on my mount command? | 17:28 |
| edubuntufan | on the server? | 17:29 |
| Nubae | you are mounting from the server or the imac... where do u run the sudo mount command? | 17:29 |
| edubuntufan | I do not have /etc/exports on the server. | 17:29 |
| edubuntufan | I ran the mount command from the imac. | 17:29 |
| Nubae | ok then on the server u must have a file called /etc/exports | 17:29 |
| Nubae | which allows the server to share the connection u are trying to mount | 17:30 |
| edubuntufan | I do not. | 17:30 |
| edubuntufan | I just verified. On the server there is NO "/etc/exports" | 17:30 |
| Nubae | put this in that file: /opt/ltsp *(ro,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check) | 17:32 |
| Nubae | change ro to rw, as I imagine u are trying to build the chroot on the imac | 17:32 |
| edubuntufan | That file does not exist...however, I never did do the "sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server" because I installed the ltsp server from the alternate disc already. | 17:33 |
| Nubae | yeah thats fine, doesnt come default | 17:33 |
| edubuntufan | do I need to install those two things on the server, even tho it already works on i386? | 17:33 |
| Nubae | normally we use nbd, and not nfs | 17:33 |
| Nubae | install nfs-kernel-server and nfs-common | 17:33 |
| Nubae | and portmap, if that isnt already installed | 17:34 |
| edubuntufan | on my edubuntu server? | 17:34 |
| Nubae | yes | 17:34 |
| edubuntufan | ok, I installed those three things. | 17:36 |
| edubuntufan | Now I can edit that file, right? | 17:36 |
| Nubae | yep | 17:36 |
| edubuntufan | Nubae, you have been very helpful! once I edit that file (it is there!) then do I run the mount command from the server or the imac? | 17:37 |
| Nubae | from the imac | 17:40 |
| Nubae | it should now allow u to use mount -t nfs | 17:40 |
| Nubae | make sure the client has nfs-common and portmap installed too | 17:40 |
| edubuntufan | ok | 17:43 |
| edubuntufan | now as far as that exports file I am editing. THere is no "opt/ltsp*...." entry for me to edit. | 17:43 |
| edubuntufan | Do I just add it in with the "#" to start off with...like the other entries? | 17:44 |
| Nubae | sure | 17:45 |
| Nubae | its normal its not there... u do this stuff manually, and especially in your case where u are building for ppx | 17:45 |
| Nubae | ppc | 17:45 |
| edubuntufan | I added this line in the exports file "#/opt/ltsp *(rw,no_root_squash,async,no_subtree_check)" and then I put a "#" at the start of the last line down with nothing next to it. | 17:48 |
| Nubae | # = comment, it is ignored | 17:48 |
| Nubae | so take it out of the line that u want it to read | 17:49 |
| Nubae | when thats done, do: sudo /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart | 17:50 |
| edubuntufan | ahhh...you can tell I am new to this. :) But it is fun. | 17:51 |
| Nubae | we were all there at one time, the good thing is, it never stops being fun ;-) | 17:52 |
| edubuntufan | dc to go try this out..now that I copied it. | 17:53 |
| jc2it | Hello all\ | 19:37 |
| jc2it | How do I transfer the 'sent items' from an Outlook PST file to an evolution 'sent items' folder? | 19:37 |
| Lns | jc2it: Not really the right chan for that... try an evolution channel? | 19:40 |
| nubae1 | or general #ubuntu | 19:42 |
| jc2it | hmmm, yeah I see your point. I guess it is not Edubuntu specific. | 19:42 |
| Lns | jc2it: if i knew how to do that i'd tell you anyway though ;) | 19:42 |
| Lns | hey nubae1 ! | 19:43 |
| nubae1 | hi Lns | 19:43 |
| * Lns is happy to finally realize that you *always* want to update sources.list in chroot before talking about bugs in LTSP/Edubuntu | 19:43 | |
| Lns | I had no idea that ltsp-build-client wouldn't pull new packages from dist-upgrades by default | 19:44 |
| nubae1 | y dat? :-) | 19:44 |
| nubae1 | ah yeah that bug | 19:44 |
| nubae1 | I call it bug... it should do that automatically | 19:44 |
| Lns | yea...and my big mouth i guess :p | 19:44 |
| Lns | I really think so too...for instance, in my case it was preventing NBD_SWAP from functioning at all...my TCs were hard-locking left and right, and i was scratching my head because i thought network swap fixed that (at least partially, under normal usage) | 19:45 |
| nubae1 | someone had a problem on here the other day related to that... where they were doing all the necessary steps but the kernel wouldnt upgrade | 19:45 |
| nubae1 | he had to do a dist upgrade in the chroot for it to work | 19:45 |
| Lns | nubae1: yea - after making sure -updates was in sources.list i'm sure right? | 19:46 |
| nubae1 | yeah | 19:46 |
| Lns | I remember doing that a long time ago but i'd forgotten, and always just dist-upgrading with the original 2 lines...ugh | 19:46 |
| Lns | 58 upgraded packages in -updates alone | 19:46 |
| Lns | just for the chroot | 19:46 |
| Lns | since hardy release | 19:46 |
| nubae1 | well its because we are so late into hardy | 19:47 |
| nubae1 | Im actually running intrepid now on my test machines | 19:47 |
| nubae1 | its works great | 19:47 |
| Lns | nice :) | 19:47 |
| Lns | i haven't gotten the chance to check it out yet | 19:47 |
| nubae1 | though almost no changes in ltsp side... | 19:47 |
| Lns | yeah...it seems pretty stable with the fixes from -updates for me too, one school has had 2 classes in, and 0 lockups (which is amazing considering at least 10 would lock-up constantly before today, each class) | 19:48 |
| nubae1 | yeah same experience... really need to keep updated... although now its finally stable | 19:49 |
| Lns | yes | 19:49 |
| nubae1 | but shouldn't be like that for a LTS release | 19:49 |
| * Lns does a dance because he's so happy his clients are finally starting to see stability :) | 19:49 | |
| nubae1 | hardy had massive problems when I installed it... beginng with the infamous firefox 3 bug | 19:50 |
| nubae1 | intrepid has non of that, so thats nice :-) just a usb stick issue thats easily fixd | 19:50 |
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| Lns | yea...i dunno, I kinda wish *buntu would adopt more of the debian policy, at least for "stable" releases (although LTS != the typical term "stable" from what i learned in the past few days) | 19:51 |
| Lns | I like the determined release dates a lot | 19:51 |
| Lns | Maybe, when they release the "LTS" version, keep it in some sort of psuedo-Beta after it's been released | 19:52 |
| Lns | i dunno, i think the root problem is the concept of LTS | 19:52 |
| nubae1 | man, weirdness... suddenly my network cards are interfering with each other... I turn eth1 on, and eth0 gets blocked | 20:00 |
| nubae1 | I turn it off, and it starts working again | 20:00 |
| nubae1 | wonder what that is all about | 20:02 |
| Lns | strange! | 20:03 |
| nubae1 | yeah just tried several times... every time I do ifconfig eth1 up, eth0 gets blocked | 20:03 |
| Lns | nubae1: what do you mean specifically by "blocked" ? | 20:03 |
| nubae1 | all network traffic stops responding | 20:04 |
| nubae1 | ping google.com does nothing | 20:04 |
| nubae1 | what could cause that? | 20:04 |
| Lns | nubae1: is it being blocked at the server level itself? can you do a traceroute? | 20:04 |
| nubae1 | let me try, I'll probably be thrown offline again... | 20:05 |
| Lns | heh | 20:05 |
| Lns | the joys of network debugging | 20:05 |
| nubae1 | ok, this is extremely weird... | 20:07 |
| nubae1 | traceroute tells me the server's ip is 192.168.0.47 | 20:07 |
| nubae1 | even though its actually 192.168.0.254 | 20:07 |
| Lns | is .47 a TC? | 20:08 |
| nubae1 | yeah | 20:08 |
| nubae1 | 7 ws47 (192.168.0.47) 304.091 ms !H * * | 20:08 |
| nubae1 | my hosts file has static declarations for all its TCs | 20:09 |
| nubae1 | its as if dhcp tries to give the internal eth1 its own address | 20:10 |
| nubae1 | which somehow then conflicts with qth0 | 20:10 |
| nubae1 | eth0 | 20:10 |
| Lns | weird | 20:12 |
| nubae | hmmm why would eth1 be given a new network address when its turned on? in /etc/network/interfaces everything looks as it should | 20:13 |
| nubae | eth1 is statically defined in /etc/network/interfaces | 20:14 |
| nubae | as 192.168.0.254, and I've added a hosts declaration to it in /etc/hosts too | 20:14 |
| nubae | but when I turn it on with ifconfig, it turns into 0.47 | 20:14 |
| nubae | gonna restart server... hope it goes away :-) | 20:16 |
| Lns | nubae: is dhcpcd running on the server? | 20:17 |
| Lns | i've seen that before on ubuntu and debian | 20:17 |
| Lns | even though a static ip is defined, it will still try and get a dhcp addy if dhcpcd is going | 20:18 |
| nubae | dhcp is running yes | 20:19 |
| nubae | I need it for the thin clients :-) | 20:19 |
| nubae | ill try turning it off and restarting networking | 20:19 |
| nubae | ok now it seems to be ok | 20:20 |
| nubae | now to turn on dhcpd again | 20:20 |
| nubae | yep thats causing it... | 20:21 |
| nubae | restarting dhcp kills the network connection | 20:22 |
| nubae | ok, think I fixed it... turned get-lease-hostnames off | 20:24 |
| Lns | nubae: if you're not needing dhcpcd on the server i'd just nuke that package all together | 20:28 |
| Lns | of course i'm relentless like that =p | 20:28 |
| nubae | I need it... for the thin clients | 20:28 |
| nubae | lease-hostnames doesnt work though, it kills the connection it seems... the weird thing is, I had it working that way fine before | 20:29 |
| Lns | nubae: having a static ip at one point in time, and then dhcpcd re-configuring it was common for me before nuking dhcpcd | 20:31 |
| nubae | I've never seen that till today | 20:32 |
| Lns | even after hours/days of it being static it would sparatically switch over | 20:32 |
| nubae | what could cause that, did u ever find out? | 20:32 |
| nubae | cause thats a pretty bad bug | 20:32 |
| Lns | nubae: i never dug too deep into it after finding out the issue...that was a while ago, and i knew even less about reporting bugs than i do now =p | 20:34 |
| Lns | obviously though, dhcpcd isn't honoring stanzas in /etc/network/interfaces | 20:35 |
| nubae | yeah I wonder if network-manager is to blame | 20:35 |
| nubae | its usually to blame for something :p | 20:35 |
| Lns | hahahhaa | 20:36 |
| Lns | yes | 20:36 |
| ogra | no, people using wrong configs are :) NM is supposed to rule *all* interfaces now | 20:36 |
| ogra | even on commandline | 20:37 |
| Lns | boooo ogra :p | 20:37 |
| Lns | ogra: doesn't NM honor interfaces file though? | 20:37 |
| nubae | not if its telling dhcpd to do what it wants | 20:38 |
| ogra | it does and calls the right ifup.d scripts | 20:38 |
| ogra | but thats not 100% working yet (it will for release) | 20:38 |
| ogra | if you have non standard settings in that file it will probably break | 20:38 |
| Lns | ah...so maybe that's the issue | 20:38 |
| ogra | for basic values it works already | 20:38 |
| nubae | heres what happened to me... I turned dhcp on with get-lease-hostnames on and it took over the servers internal network address | 20:38 |
| nubae | I turned off get-lease-hostnames and it works normally again | 20:39 |
| ogra | in /e/n/i ? | 20:39 |
| nubae | dhcpd.conf | 20:40 |
| nubae | but I had set stuff manually in /e/n/i | 20:40 |
| nubae | yep network manager takes over the /e/n/i settings | 20:41 |
| nubae | just checked | 20:41 |
| Lns | nubae: did you mean dhcpcd.conf ? | 20:42 |
| Lns | if there is such a config | 20:42 |
| Lns | seems weird the dhcp server would hose the host's own static ip addy | 20:42 |
| nubae | well it does, by looking at what network manager has set up | 20:43 |
| nubae | it doesnt look at /e/n/i | 20:43 |
| nubae | I can understand the reasoning, but for us command line folk, its not so obvious | 20:43 |
| nubae | I meant /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf | 20:43 |
| Lns | ah crap...is this a really bad thing(tm) ? "Setting up procps (1:3.2.7-5ubuntu3) ... * Setting kernel variables... Cannot find /proc/version - is /proc mounted? [fail]" | 20:44 |
| Lns | this is in updating chroot without mounting proc | 20:44 |
| nubae | heh yeah one needs to mount /proc | 20:44 |
| Lns | did I just hose my chroot? | 20:45 |
| nubae | no | 20:45 |
| nubae | just mount it | 20:45 |
| nubae | and try again | 20:45 |
| Lns | k | 20:45 |
| Lns | thx | 20:45 |
| nubae | ogra: so its normal for dhcpd to listen to network manager, but not to /etc/network/interfaces? | 20:45 |
| ogra | no | 20:47 |
| ogra | dhcpd doesnt care | 20:47 |
| nubae | well I had my network manager set to auto for both interfaces (it doesnt bother reading /etc/network/interfaces) and when turning on dhcpd, it does exactly what is in networkmanager | 20:49 |
| nubae | not what is in interfaces | 20:49 |
| nubae | so it must care on some level :p | 20:49 |
| Lns | nubae: are you sure it's not dhcpCd that's not caring what's in interfaces? All dhcpD does is listen for requests... | 20:51 |
| Lns | hopefully i'm not missing something basic here | 20:51 |
| nubae | dhcp3-server is the one doing whats in network manager... and giving an address to eth1, when interfaces has it set as static | 20:52 |
| nubae | this is worse than I thought, I tried to set all the settings in network manager, and upon saving, it defaults back to dhcp for both interfaces | 20:55 |
| Lns | yikes | 20:59 |
| * Lns saw https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WICD a while ago but never looked into it...not that you want to just rip & replace NM... | 21:00 | |
| nubae | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/256054 | 22:52 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 256054 in network-manager "[intrepid] new 0.7 branch ignores /etc/network/interfaces" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 22:52 |
| nubae | I wasn't imagining things... | 22:52 |
| nubae | network manager defaults to dhcp and ignores its own settings | 22:52 |
| nubae | but its being worked on, its an intrepid thing | 22:54 |
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