apacheloggerScottK: our mission is to provide the best KDE desktop based on ubuntu AFAIK00:13
apacheloggerI'd feel rather uncomfortable shipping GTK software where in most user's use cases ark would do as well00:13
aleiteHello guys@00:28
aleiteDo you know how to build kde on release mode?00:28
aleiteNow, even if I put -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release, kde is built in debugfull mode00:29
Jucatosmall 'r'? as in =release?00:31
aleite Tried too...00:32
aleitedidn't work00:32
dreadwhy the crap is the damn ugly 'gwenview-kde3' preinstalled in kubuntu 8.10 beta ?04:11
dreadi updated from 8.0404:12
dreadcan anyone give me the default sources.list for 8.10 please?04:14
dreadthe new adept is messy... not showing up the packages from sources04:16
Hobbseedread: well, for a start, gwenview-kde3 doesn't exist in ubuntu/kubuntu.04:16
Hobbseesecondly, be respectful if you actually want an answer.04:16
Hobbseethirdly, default sources.list is probably a #kubuntu question.04:17
dreadok, very sorry T_T04:19
dreadyou guys rock ;-)04:19
ScottKapachelogger: I was thinking in addition, not instead of, but not a big deal.04:38
hosein-mecwhy there isnt default list of package in Adept 3 ?? there is only search function to see package ... !08:34
SalzeHi. kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" does not give me any new packages. Will I get the same result (I should have gotten with this) by replacing hardy with intrepid in the sources.list?10:05
SalzeOh...forget it.10:06
* Salze feels ashamed10:06
SalzeThe upgrade button was hidden because the window was too small.10:06
seaLnewhy is 4.1.2 in hardy but not intrepid is it just beta freeze?10:14
stdin!info kdelibs5 intrepid | seaLne10:17
ubottusealne: kdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): core libraries for all KDE 4 applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 9292 kB, installed size 25912 kB10:17
seaLnehmm so it should be?10:19
stdinwell, that's what apt reports10:19
seaLneweird my system agrees didn't remember it installing10:20
stdinmust have upgraded smoothly then :)10:20
* seaLne grins10:21
DreadKnightthe beta has issue on my box10:51
DreadKnightbut only the 64bit version10:51
DreadKnighti couldn't get x running at all10:52
DreadKnightintel GMA 950 video card10:52
davmor2DreadKnight: works here10:52
DreadKnightdavmor2: installed from cd?10:53
DreadKnighti have Toshiba portege m40510:53
davmor2DreadKnight: yeap both alt and live10:53
DreadKnighti upgraded a hardy install... heh10:53
DreadKnightonly 32 bit worked10:53
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apachelogger~topic learn12:13
SalzeI have a problem during the update from Hardy to Intrepid with the adept_manager installation procedure.12:14
SalzeUnfortunately I cannot start konqueror, so I cannot use pastebin.12:14
SalzeAnyone willing to try to help me in a query?12:14
apacheloggerwhy can't you start konqueror?12:14
SalzeI think because some parts have already been replaced.12:14
SalzeBut I'm not sure.12:15
SalzeIt says it cannot initiate http protocol.12:15
apacheloggerSalze: can you paste to a file?12:15
apacheloggerSalze: do that12:16
SalzeI have.12:16
apacheloggerthen wget http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/batpaste12:16
apacheloggerruby batpaste FILENAME12:16
SalzeThank you.12:17
SalzeThe installation process hangs (as far as I can tell). Any chance to get it running again?12:19
apacheloggerSalze: how did you start the upgrade?12:19
Salzekdesudo ...12:19
SalzeDon't remember exactly - I c&p from the webpage.12:19
apacheloggeradept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel maybe?12:20
Salzekdesudo (or something) in front of that.12:20
apacheloggerRiddell: would that restart the upgrade if it has been aborted?12:21
SalzeThe window is still open - I just have the impression it waits for some input.12:21
SalzeBut I don't see any question.12:21
SalzeIt's stuck at "Configuring landscape-common12:22
apacheloggerSalze: you will have to wait for Riddell, he knows about the upgrader12:23
SalzeOk. Thank you for your help!12:23
apacheloggerYou're welcome!12:23
SalzeJust in case someone might be interested: I killed "/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo". Now the installer continues to run.12:29
apacheloggerSalze: it might happen again12:30
SalzeSame error messages with bash_completion - although this time the installer continues to run.12:30
* apachelogger is wondering why it can't initialize the kde frontend for debconf12:31
SalzeI don't know. I would suspect some essential kde files got updated already and are now incompatible.12:31
Salze[13:30] <apachelogger> Salze: it might happen again <- it did - several times already. But now it always continues to run.12:32
SalzeLet's wait and see whether the system will be usable at the end. :-)12:32
apacheloggerwell, maybe debconf is locked12:32
SalzeWouldn't it then complain about locks instead of frontend?12:33
Riddellapachelogger: there is no kde frontend to debconf12:33
Riddellwe should probably write one12:33
apacheloggerRiddell: wasn't there some?12:33
Riddellthere was for kde 3, not for kde 412:33
* apachelogger seems to remember that adept poped up with a kde dialog for debconf stuff12:34
apacheloggerah, I see12:34
SalzeIt did ask me once whether I want to keep or replace changes on some file. Was that debconf?12:34
apacheloggerno, that was dpkg itself12:35
apacheloggerRiddell: can you grant a FFe for powerdevil?12:35
RiddellSalze: when your upgrade is done report a bug on update-manager noting where it got stuck and attach /usr/lob/dist-upgrade/*12:35
Riddellapachelogger: if there's a good reason I could12:35
SalzeWill do - at least if the system is useable at the end. *gg*12:35
apacheloggerRiddell: it works better ;-)12:35
* apachelogger is wondering why drf doesn't keep a changelog -.-12:36
Riddellchangelogs are hassle to keep12:36
Riddellapachelogger: yeah, go for it, I'll review the package before uploading12:37
apacheloggerRiddell: do you want to upload or are you reviewing it before accepting the upload?12:38
apacheloggerit's in universe, so I can upload :)12:38
Salze /usr/lob/dist-upgrade/* <- It's /var, right?12:39
apacheloggerhaha, awesome svn log http://paste.ubuntu.com/53418/12:40
SalzeOk, I managed to save that to my SD card, so that I will have it even if the system does not work after rebooting.12:42
JontheEchidnaRiddell: apparently your ksmserver patch broke update-notifier-kde, clicking on the reboot icon brings up the shutdown dialog12:54
JontheEchidnabug 27738012:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277380 in kdebase-workspace "After installing updates in Adept and needing to restart, clicking on "restart" tray icon brings up dialog to shut down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27738012:55
Tonio_Riddell: is that too late to get kpackagekit in the archives ?13:00
Tonio_Riddell: 0.1 looks stable to get in universe imho13:00
Riddellapachelogger: go ahead and upload13:00
RiddellTonio_: that's fine with me13:01
Tonio_Riddell: and since we'll probably consider it for jaunty.... why not getting it in...13:01
Tonio_Riddell: okay, I'll make the packages clean enough for the archives and upload to revu.... then ping to get revued13:02
RiddellJontheEchidna: mm, it probably just needs to call the correct numbers, unfortunately they're not well documented13:02
apacheloggerRiddell: uploaded13:02
Riddellapachelogger: what happened to you and core-dev?13:02
apacheloggerRiddell: rumor has it that apparently it got deferred13:04
apacheloggerbut since motu council does super secret channels I wouldn't know for sure :P13:04
apachelogger...in super secret channels though...13:04
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ScottKIt was still listed as a pending application in the meeting notes from the last meeting.13:38
RiddellScottK: what's it blocked on?13:45
ScottKRiddell: Dunno.  They just list pending applications in their call minutes, but don't say why they are still pending.13:46
Riddellpoke nixternal13:49
Riddellpresumably he needs to show up at a tech board meeting sometime13:49
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jtechidnaScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53441/14:16
jtechidnaworks for me (tm)14:16
ScottKjtechidna: I'm downloading the source from your PPA now.14:18
ScottKjtechidna: Cool.  Thanks.  I'll build it and let you know how it works here.14:21
jtechidnaScottK: you're welcome. I learned a lot in the process14:22
ScottKjtechidna: I do think Riddell should review it before upload so unless he asks me to after looking at it, I don't think I should sponsor it.14:24
jtechidnayeah, def14:24
rgreeningOMG.. that pic is awesome14:28
* rgreening wishes kde 4.2 was ready for intrepid14:29
rgreeningcome on Jaunty...14:29
* ScottK finds 4.1 quite exciting enough thank you very much.14:30
rgreeningdoes anyone here know the Plasman API? I want to code a small app but was looking for someone to work with.14:31
rgreeningI miss my favorites applet... so I want to code one for Plasma...14:32
sebasrgreening: what do you need to know exactly?14:35
rgreeningI haven't looked at Plasma before, so I was looking for someone who has to help out.14:36
sebas#plasma is usually helpful14:36
rgreeninggood idea14:36
sebasAnd there are lots of examples in KDE's svn14:36
* rgreening adds to auto-connect14:36
sebasYou can start by modifying an existing plasmoids14:36
rgreeningtrue. does kdevelop support KDE4 and Plasmoid projects yet?14:37
sebasDunno, I'm using kate+konsole usually14:37
sebasI *think* it does, but I'm not a 100% sure14:37
Riddellkdevelop is just a text editor too, it supports anything.  it should come with KDE 4 templates.  plasmoid templates probably not but you can start with any existing one14:39
* sebas nods at Riddell14:39
Riddellsebas: go nod in that other channel over there14:39
* rgreening installed kdevelop.. KDE4 projects folder... empty.. hrm14:40
rgreeningIs there a python bindings support being done (or exist) for plasma yet?14:41
rgreeningcause that would be easier :P14:42
Riddellpython bindings are in playground/base/plasma but it didn't work last I tried14:42
Riddellwill need kde 4.2 anyway14:42
jtechidnayeah, can't wait for 4.214:45
jtechidnaI think I can wait for Jaunty though, Intrepid has been exciting14:45
ScottKRiddell: One problem I ran into when I upgraded was between kdelibs4-dev and kdelibs5-dev.  I had kdegames-dev installed and it switched from *4 to *5 and they aren't coinstallable.  I could sort it manually and probably so could most people who have -dev packages.  Is it worth worrying about?14:46
RiddellScottK: so apt got confused?14:48
ScottKRiddell: Yes.  It couldn't upgrade kdegames-dev because that would have needed kdelibs4-dev removed.  I think it's either 'not a big deal' or update-manager needs a special case for it.14:49
ScottKI replicated it do an upgrade of a chroot from hardy to intrepid, so it wasn't a one time oddity.14:50
nixternalgood morning14:56
RiddellScottK: I guess mvo is the person to ask about what the right thing to do is.  there should be a right thing to do14:57
nixternalapachelogger: I already commented and gave you a +1 on your application correct?14:58
ScottKRiddell: OK.  I'll ask him.14:58
RiddellScottK: he might be on holiday today though, it's german group hug day14:58
* ScottK adds to TODO.14:59
Riddellnixternal: yes but motu-council hasn't got any further14:59
nixternalhrmm, I don't know why...and I thought I was the one holding up processes due to me working, guess not14:59
nixternalargh, I can see this MC stuff is going to piss me off concerning you apachelogger15:02
Riddellnixternal: how so?15:02
nixternalbecause they waste no time pushing a Canonical employee through for core-dev, but hang up on apachelogger who has been in this community far longer than anyone else currently in the queue...they are doing the same with superm1 as well15:03
ScottKnixternal: superm1 is scheduled for the next tech board meeting.15:04
* smarter is wondering what's happening with his motu application too :]15:04
* apachelogger is a 2nd class citzien himself15:04
nixternalgood, I am glad mario got through then15:04
nixternalapachelogger: I agree :P15:04
nixternalI would lean more for 3rd class citizen with you though :p15:04
ScottKI think it's mostly MC people being busy.15:04
nixternalScottK: I voted right away and I am never around15:05
ScottKPerhaps some people not sure what the right answer is and spend a long time navel gazing.15:05
apacheloggernixternal: then I should switch to xubuntu15:05
nixternalso it isn't the MC being busy15:05
ScottKnixternal: Others haven't voted.  Dunno why.15:05
nixternalI come on for 15 minutes a day, I check my email once a week15:05
nixternali should have voted -1 for apachelogger since he didn't even add me to his application15:06
apacheloggernixternal: I still love you though15:07
nixternalsure you do15:07
* apachelogger had to browse through 5 neon files in order to find the constant for package revision15:08
jtechidnaapachelogger: testbuildan a kate fix15:09
apacheloggerjtechidna: sounds dangerous15:10
jtechidnawell, it's a 6-line patch :P15:10
apacheloggerthere we have it15:11
apachelogger!<3 patches15:11
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about 3 patches15:11
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about patches15:11
jtechidnadamn, I know I added something about patches15:12
jtechidnaor maybe workarounds...15:12
jtechidnakubotu: facts about patches15:12
kubotuI know nothing about patches15:12
apacheloggerkubotu: facts about apachelogger15:12
kubotu[5/6] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/6] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds"15:12
nixternalkubotu: facts about nixternal15:13
kubotuI know nothing about nixternal15:13
nixternalgood, lets keep it that way!15:13
rgreeningkubotu: fact #215:13
kubotufact #2 of 6: rgreening buries head in sand [from smarter!n=smarter@ubuntu/member/smarter on Wed Oct 01 23:27:17 +0300 2008 in #kubuntu-bunker]15:13
nixternalvore: are you going to the pre-party next friday? if so, I need your cell number so I can call you...I am planning on getting to columbus at around 6/7 pm15:14
nixternaland will need someone to drink with besides my buddy kevin :P15:14
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nixternalvorian: ^^15:14
nixternalsorry vore15:14
nixternalvore: shoot, you are in tennessee...you going to Ohio Linux Fest next week? :)15:15
nixternalholy what?15:15
voriani'm going15:16
vorianI se15:16
nixternalwhat time and where is this pre-party15:16
vorianit's across the street from the conf. center15:16
vorianlet me get a linky15:16
nixternalgroovy, barleys, I have been there before15:16
voriani'll pm my cell15:17
nixternalI am ready to drink people pretty15:17
nixternal+1 630 445 3860 is my cell15:17
* Jucato writes that down15:17
nixternalwrite it down15:17
nixternalif I see a phone number from 043792479365273475283437828043207672048306752784038042 I will let it go to voice mail :P15:18
Jucatoyou'll only see a number from 1337 :)15:18
JontheEchidnaheh, Tooltips even work well with vertical panels: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/tooltips2.png15:24
Riddellapachelogger: able to turn up at techboard meeting? (#ubuntu-devel) ?15:27
apacheloggerRiddell: yes15:28
Riddellapachelogger: guess that's the thing to do then15:29
* apachelogger creates a calendar entry15:29
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apacheloggerRiddell: bug 27658815:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 276588 in kde4libs "package kdelibs5-dev None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdelibs5-dev.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkjsembed.so', which is also in package libkjsembed-dev" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27658815:43
Riddellapachelogger: can you connect to upload.ubuntu.com frp?15:44
apacheloggerRiddell: no15:45
Riddellmm, sysadmins are moving machines around15:46
* apachelogger is wondering why kdeartwork includes incompatible icon themes15:51
Riddellapachelogger: because kdeartwork has no maintainer15:52
RiddellI've tried to hint to ruphy he should do it since he effectivly maintains oxygen from a technical view, but he doesn't seem interested15:52
apacheloggerRiddell: why does unmaintained stuff get released at all?15:52
Riddellshrug, bits of it are useful, it just needs someone to tidy it up15:53
apacheloggerI see15:55
apacheloggerRiddell: btw, did you copy 4.1.2 to the members ppa?15:57
Riddellapachelogger: yes15:58
apacheloggerRiddell: oh why, but why? :P15:58
Riddellapachelogger: isn't that what needs done?15:58
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, doing it about half an hour before KDE publishes the news is good enough though15:59
Riddellapachelogger: well KDE was going to publish this morning16:00
apacheloggersebas: did another so* get messed up? ;-)16:00
Riddellgermany is on holiday (group hug day).  kde falls apart when germany goes on holiday16:01
davmor2Riddell: ban him from holidays :P16:02
JontheEchidnakde4libs always takes so long to compile :(16:02
* apachelogger finds libs pretty fast actually16:04
apacheloggerpim and bindings take long16:04
Riddellqt takes longer than anything16:04
Riddell(other than openoffice obviously)16:05
apacheloggertalking about qt, do we have 4.4.3 in the archive yet?16:06
Riddellno, rgreening sent it to me but it was waiting for beta freeze and now it's waiting for upload.ubuntu.com16:07
Riddellalong with a load of other bits16:07
apacheloggerpoor qt16:09
rgreeningI've been running the 4.4.3 eversince I built it. Works fine here16:09
* apachelogger screwed up the complete changelogs for 4.1.216:09
rgreeningRiddell: I assume the kwin branch removal to kdebase-workspace was also uploaded now?16:10
JontheEchidnawe could probably backport the fix from trunk even if suse hasn't updated their branch^16:10
apacheloggerthat sounds suicidal TBH16:11
JontheEchidnayeah, that patch is HUGE LIEK XBOX16:11
Riddellrgreening: I'm trying an updated version of the patch, but it's also waiting on upload.u.c to reappear16:12
jussi01wow, intrepid is blazing fast compared to hardy kde4... :D16:13
rgreeningJontheEchidna: did you fwd the tootip diff to Riddell for inclusion? Real spiffy :)16:13
JontheEchidnaRiddell: would you mind reviewing the tooltips patch sometime? http://paste.ubuntu.com/53441/16:13
JontheEchidnargreening: ha16:13
rgreeningread my minsd16:13
JontheEchidnajust like when you joined right after I announced working tooltips16:13
rgreeningtoo funny16:13
rgreeningkubotu: order JontheEchidna a Irn Bru16:14
* kubotu slides jontheechidna a irn bru down the bar to rgreening16:14
sebasapachelogger: no, sysadmin mia ;)16:14
JontheEchidnakubotu: help order16:14
kubotuYou may also have a look at 'help order goods/machines/replies' ... Placing an order is actually easy as hell. 'order GOOD' => GOOD gets slid down the bar. 'order GOOD for NICK' => GOOD get slid down the bar to NICK. 'order GOOD for everyone' => everyone gets GOOD (in case the good is finite it will end as you place this order). 'order birthday package' => in case you want to make a special birthday present ;-)16:14
rgreeningkubotu: order a Irn Bru for JontheEchidna16:15
* kubotu slides a irn bru down the bar to JontheEchidna16:15
JontheEchidnargreening: so did you get the tooltips working on your box?16:15
apacheloggersebas: if KDE had made me sysadmin... :P16:16
rgreeninghaven't had a chance to dl them. I need to downgrade my version (save rev as yours) to upgrade16:16
JontheEchidnaah, right16:16
apacheloggeroh my picard!16:17
apacheloggersebas: is it me or is the changelog really done manually without using the xml file?16:18
sebasDunno, it looks buggered16:18
apacheloggerthat would support my theory16:18
sebasI am with you then16:19
sebasI'm actually glad if it's done at all16:19
apacheloggerlooks a bit short16:20
apacheloggersebas: maybe we should just tweak carsten's create_changelog script and parse the might commit logs16:22
* apachelogger drinks yet another cup of awfully cold coffee16:22
JontheEchidna~order hot coffee for apachelogger16:22
* kubotu slides hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger16:22
sebasapachelogger: not all commits are interesting for the changelog (that's what the .txt links that are broken are there for)16:23
apacheloggerI fixed them :P16:23
* apachelogger fixes all the stuff none else cares about :P16:23
apacheloggersebas: we could introduce new keywords16:23
apacheloggerFEATURE: blah16:23
sebasI love you!16:23
apacheloggerIMPROVEMENT: blah blah16:23
sebasYeah, it should anyway filter out all bugs16:24
sebasThat's be useful, those just belong into the changelog no matter what16:24
sebasNot even if my cat started complaining in chinese right now16:24
* apachelogger thinks that would be quite hilarious16:25
sebasAnd quite unreasonable. It's far too lazy to have any say.16:26
sebasAnd it usually doesn't move it's hairy ass unless it expects food.16:26
apacheloggerthat reminds me of JontheEchidna :P16:27
* apachelogger scuttles off 16:27
rgreeningoh my16:27
JontheEchidnaI guess it's what I get for slacking off on backports16:28
JontheEchidnaArby deserves a medal16:29
Arbyhe does, for what?16:29
JontheEchidnafor doing most of the backports for 4.1.216:29
Arby*shrug* if it leaves other people free to do the hard stuff it's all good :)16:30
Arbythen I don't have to :)16:30
apacheloggerI think I fixed neon16:32
* JontheEchidna misses his trunky amarok16:34
apacheloggerwell, it gets more broken every day :P16:34
apachelogger"It's not broken, it's Amarok"16:35
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: next time you do the release screenshot again16:35
JontheEchidnaheh, ok16:36
apacheloggerif http://www.kubuntu.org/system/files/kde4_1_2.png was any more blurry it would count as modern art16:36
JontheEchidnabah, where did my sound go16:39
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: with germany on group hug day?16:41
apacheloggerRiddell: please approve kgrubeditor16:47
Riddellapachelogger: that's on my todo list :)16:48
Riddellapachelogger: remind me again the rationale16:48
Riddellwe currently have an unstable version and it's stable?16:48
apacheloggerRiddell: the version we have is undstable compared with the new one16:48
apacheloggerArtemis_Fowl: fixed a couple of bugs16:48
apacheloggerRiddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53472/16:49
Artemis_Fowlyep, and one of the bugs was kind of important since it caused a crash upon launching kgrubeditor16:50
Riddellta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.216:54
smarter"Submitted on Wed, 2008-10-01"16:56
smarterpublication date would be more appropriate :P16:56
Riddellthanks to whoever submitted it16:57
* apachelogger fixed the date and removed the reference to kde.org since it still says embargo :P16:58
apacheloggersebas: fixed the changelog16:59
rgreeningnice :P17:00
* Arby applauds the release and heads for the pub to celebrate17:00
Arbyand because it's 5pm on a friday :)17:00
rgreeningonly 1:30here...17:05
* rgreening sneaks a drink under the desk17:05
JontheEchidnaHoly crap: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18156365/iconsallwrong.png17:10
JontheEchidnabug 27745817:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277458 in ubuntu "intrepid kde4 icons are all screwed up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27745817:10
jussi01err, that looks like when I used crystal icons on hardy...17:12
rgreeningyep. wonder if they simply change the icon theme instead of deleting will it fix it.17:13
kubotuapachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Oct 03 18:13 CEST17:13
kuboturgreening: use time set <Continent/City> to set your timezone.17:13
rgreeningtime set America/St_Johns17:14
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: we can't do anything about it really17:14
rgreening~time set America/St_Johns17:14
kubotuOk, I'll remember that rgreening is on the America/St_Johns timezone17:14
kuboturgreening: America - St Johns - Fri Oct 03 13:44 NDT17:14
JontheEchidna~time set America/New_York17:15
kubotuOk, I'll remember that JontheEchidna is on the America/New_York timezone17:15
apacheloggerRiddell: if we set the icon theme in etc/kde4/kdeglobals would the user still be able to change it?17:15
kubotuJontheEchidna: America - New York - Fri Oct 03 12:15 EDT17:15
apachelogger~time rgreening17:16
kubotuAmerica - St Johns - Fri Oct 03 13:46 NDT17:16
apacheloggervery useful :)17:16
rgreeningyeah. I agre. It's easy to foget we are all in diff tz's17:17
Riddellapachelogger: yes17:17
smarter~time set Europe/France17:17
kubotuEurope/France is an invalid timezone. Format is Continent/City or a two character country code.17:17
smarter~time set Europe/Paris17:17
kubotuOk, I'll remember that smarter is on the Europe/Paris timezone17:17
apacheloggerRiddell: oh, that wouldn't help anyway :S the user already set a configured scheme so it would override etc in any case17:18
rgreeningsmarter: what part of Paris? I stayed at the Tour d'Eiffel Hotel on my vacation (July 3rd) this year.17:19
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: the problem is that we can't use kconf_update to drain the setting from kdeglobals due to /etc/kde4/kdeglobals which for some reason gets higher priority17:19
apacheloggerthe only solution would be to do it in postinst of kdelibs517:19
smarterrgreening: I don't live in Paris, just in France and there's only one timezone :)17:19
apacheloggeri.e. sed $HOMEs17:20
rgreeningoh... hrm17:20
smarterrgreening: https://launchpad.net/~smarter to see where I live :)17:20
smarterrgreening: also, it's Tour Eiffel, no "d'" here :P17:20
apacheloggeralmost  ch isn't it?17:20
* apachelogger clicks17:20
smarterapachelogger: yup17:20
smarterat the border17:20
apacheloggerch ain't got good beer :P17:20
rgreeningsmarter: my French is tres Horrible, non?17:20
apacheloggeroh, that was italian17:21
smarteryou spellt these two words right, that's not bad (:17:21
smarterapachelogger: actually, si exists in french17:21
apacheloggerit wouldn't make any sense here, would it?17:21
smarteryes it does :P17:22
smarterwhen someone asks a negative questions, you answer "si" instead of "oui"17:22
smarterhmm, no it doesn't make any sense here, I'm just being stupid ^^'17:22
smarteranyway, even if they don't have good beer, swiss have good chocolate :)17:23
apacheloggerjussi01: btw, I could have installed my own ruby as well :P17:23
rgreeningand milk maids17:23
* apachelogger currently overrides system ruby with 2 plugins17:23
jussi01apachelogger: cool, I dont mind, there is plenty of space :)17:24
apacheloggersmarter: belgium got better chocolate :P17:24
apacheloggerjussi01: I think I am too lazy though ;-)17:24
apacheloggerbesides, that is going to end up like on kollide17:24
apacheloggerI have half a system in my home there17:25
apacheloggerbloody gentoo isn't usable gentoo ;-)17:25
* tanderson notices the gentoo highlight17:26
apacheloggertanderson: is there any way to make gentoo usable for servers?17:26
tandersonapachelogger: sure, I use it on one myself17:26
apacheloggerprobably our admin's fault then17:27
apacheloggerstuff breaks all the time17:27
tandersonoh yeah, it's easy break if you're not careful17:27
* apachelogger scuttles over to xubuntu-devel for coffee17:30
NCommanderhey apachelogger17:52
apacheloggerahoy NCommander17:52
NCommanderapachelogger, I like your core dev application ;-)17:53
NCommanderRiddell, apachelogger wrote his application as a ... er ... well, application :-)17:55
Riddelloh yes, genius that was17:56
NCommanderI'll have to think of something to out do him for my application :-)17:56
seelehave there been any reports of people having trouble upgrading to beta from the kde4 remix?17:57
seelei dont see any comments on the feedback page, but had two people ask me about it17:57
JontheEchidnaI think there were some17:57
Riddellseele: I had trouble if that counts :)17:57
Riddellbut that was only from the alternate CD17:58
seeleRiddell: if *you* had trouble then we'er doomed17:58
Riddellthrough internet was fine17:58
apacheloggerNCommander: good luck with that :P17:58
RiddellNCommander: write it in python.  that's much more sensible :)17:58
* NCommander will write it in x86 asm17:58
seelehmm.. i guess i can try a hardy remix upgrade after work tonight18:00
apacheloggerRiddell: ruby! :P18:00
* apachelogger finds that changelog parser carsten wrote quite confusing18:01
NCommanderapachelogger, what did you write your application in anyway?18:03
apacheloggerNCommander: C++/Qt18:04
ScottKJontheEchidna: Tooltips works great here.  I think for some users this will be a real boost for Kubuntu Intrepid.18:09
ScottKrgreening: Thanks for your help on it too.18:10
ScottKRiddell: Thumbs up from me for JontheEchidna's task bar tooltip change.18:10
rgreeningnp. I had a small part. this patch will seperate us from some of the others...18:10
rgreeningtoo bad we can't backport the updated systray.18:11
rgreeningor can we...18:11
RiddellScottK: groovy, working for me too, I'll upload shortly18:11
ScottKDon't go too far ...18:11
Riddellrgreening: probably not, but what's updated in it?18:11
rgreeningRiddell: the transparancy issue is fixed AFAIK18:12
rgreeningquite annoying atm18:12
Riddellrgreening: uploading kdegraphics18:12
rgreeningRiddell: and how goes the kdebase-workspace testing on the updated kwin branch patch18:13
Riddellrgreening: working well here18:13
rgreeningawesome. another boost for Kubuntu18:13
Riddelljust need to edit .install files so we get than all important cube effect installed18:14
JontheEchidnaoh, so that's why I couldn't find it :P18:14
JontheEchidnaprobably why the desktop switching effect combobox was empty18:15
rgreeningah.. could be18:15
rgreeningthat's a moc thing and should still be generated18:15
rgreeningi believe18:15
* rgreening is learning to write plasmoids...18:16
JontheEchidnaanybody working on anything kde4libs related? I'm probably going to have a kde4libs update that will need sponsored18:16
JontheEchidna(Bug 277258)18:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277258 in kde4libs "Kate KDE4.1 scrolling with the mouse on the scroll bar moves the bar but not the text" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27725818:16
JontheEchidnaStill might be a while before it's all built18:19
rgreeningRiddell: you uploading my changes for qt 4.4.3 as well...18:21
Riddellrgreening: yep18:21
Riddell100MB upload, wonder how long that'll take18:22
rgreeningIs there an easy way to downgrade from local installed packages and prefer those in a repo (older version #'s).18:22
Riddellapt pinning maybe, it's fiddly as I mind18:23
JontheEchidnargreening: if you still have old debs in /etc/apt/archive you could dpkg those18:23
JontheEchidnathen apt-get update to the ones in the ppa18:24
rgreeningthat's what I have been doing. Just though there may have been a easier way. I think the pin is similar to Gentoo's masking. I may give that a shot.18:25
JontheEchidnaRiddell: btw, didja get my adept sidebar patch? ;D18:27
JontheEchidnaBy the time Intrepid is released Riddell will have patches coming out his ears18:28
apacheloggersebas: basic commit log parsing works18:31
RiddellJontheEchidna: yes, also on today's todo list18:31
JontheEchidnanice, thanks. :)18:31
jjesseis there a reason i keep getting notification of incomplete lanague support of english?  and when i can't select english because it is greyed out18:33
Riddelljjesse: it's a beastie18:35
Riddellwe'll fix i18:36
Riddellwe'll fix it18:36
jjessei'm sure you were,just wondered if it was something ive done to my system18:37
* ScottK had to manually change the selected mixer in kmix to get mute/volume control to work (it worked in Hardy without intervention) from 'pcm' to 'front'. Bug or just something people have to change sometimes?18:38
JontheEchidnahmm, it's set to pcm here but volume control works for me. (I has no mute keyboard button)18:40
ScottKMute keyboard button works as well as clicking on kmix.  Volume keys show the volume, but won't change it.  Kmix slider works fine.18:41
rgreeningJontheEchidna: sidebar patch?18:45
JontheEchidnargreening: look at Okular's sidebar and then look at Adept's18:45
JontheEchidnaAdept uses Okular's sidebar code, but Adept's copy is from KDE 4.0 and looks somewhat crappy18:46
rgreeningJontheEchidna: adept 3 looks crappy in general (IMO)18:47
* rgreening liked the old adept...18:47
JontheEchidnaold adept was slow and crashy18:48
JontheEchidnaQuick and un-crashy is my favorite adept3 feature18:48
rgreeningI never had a hitch with old one... lucky I guess.18:49
JontheEchidnaPlus we got to close 75% of our Adept bugs because of Adept318:49
JontheEchidnaThe biggest peeve with Adept3 I have is it's searching18:50
rgreeningI hate the missing icons in adept. all the '?' icons drives me nutz18:50
* JontheEchidna never uses adept installer18:51
rgreeningI'd rather see no icon thant the '?'...18:51
rgreeningI should add a patch to show no icon rather than the '?'18:51
rgreeningthe '?' makes me think it's broken... at least that's what general users will likely think.18:52
rgreeninganyone else think so?18:53
JontheEchidnathere's a bug about that actually18:53
JontheEchidnafrom adept218:53
JontheEchidnawhich we couldn't close, hehe18:53
rgreeninghmm... got the bug #.18:53
NCommanderRiddell, mind doing me a favor in a little big18:53
rgreeningI may try and tackle it18:53
NCommanderWhat does APT stand for specifically18:55
NCommanderAdvanced Packaging Tool, right?18:55
NCommander(or Package)18:55
asfaksince last 3-4 days i am unable to drag gnome apps (synaptic, firefox) from kicker to desktop.18:57
ScottKNCommander: You could always work on Bug 5612518:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 56125 in apt "apt-get moo doesnt look like a cow" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/5612518:57
NCommanderScottK, rofl, I'm writing a manpage for adept18:58
* NCommander has had that on his todo list for awhile18:58
NCommanderpersia gave me some pointers and tools to help me get started on writing a manpage18:59
ScottKrgreening: If you're going to work on Adept, would you consider seeing if it's feasible to get back the 'show details' option in the udpdater?18:59
NCommanderBut I've never written one from scratch, so I'm looking for a second pair of eyes to look it over19:00
rgreeningScottk,NCommander: http://polishlinux.org/apps/cli/ascii-art-fun-cowsay-and-figlet/19:00
rgreeninga good cow19:00
* NCommander perfers aptitude -vvvvvvv moo19:00
ScottKrgreening: The only good cow is cooking on my grill.19:00
* NCommander wants to try using a flamethrower on his side of beef19:00
JontheEchidnaScottK, rgreening: I believe Scott's talking about bug 27521919:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 275219 in adeptmgr "(Kubuntu Intrepid) In Adept installer, the "more" link shown when you click on an application is non-functional" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27521919:00
rgreeningI prefer my steaks on High 5 min per side. :)19:01
rgreeningand 1 inch thick19:01
NCommanderI perfer mine red and rare19:01
NCommander(ground beef however I perfer quite dead)19:01
JontheEchidnaI like mine medium19:01
ScottKNCommander: The downside of the flamethrower approach is that if there's any incomplete combustion it ends up tasking like gasoline.19:01
* ScottK often orders steak "As long as it doesn't walk off the plate, I'll be happy".19:02
NCommanderMaybe I should simply use an explosion to tenderize my steak19:02
* ScottK is not kidding.19:02
NCommanderScottK, I usually say "Dead, but not so dead I could use it as a tire"19:02
* JontheEchidna just says "medium please" <.<19:03
NCommanderI dunno about you, but if my meat has the consistency of rubber, I'm not happy19:03
sebasapachelogger: yay!19:04
* NCommander looks at adept's source ot see what command line options it takes19:05
rgreeningadept needs a moo option and it should being up a pic with the cation 'Got Kubuntu' (as parody of got milk commercials)19:06
NCommanderIt seems that adept's --help lies about accepting command line options19:07
JontheEchidnaadept takes "installer" and "upgrader" as command lines19:08
JontheEchidnaor updater19:08
NCommanderOh, what do those do specifically?19:08
JontheEchidnalaunch adept in install or updater mode19:08
JontheEchidnainstall is a more user-friendly frontend for installing and removing applications only19:09
JontheEchidna(no packages)19:09
JontheEchidnaupdater, well, updates :)19:09
NCommanderI'm trying to figure out how best to document that19:09
NCommanderinstaller seems broken for me19:10
NCommanderoh wait, just very slow19:10
* JontheEchidna never uses it aside from testing19:10
rgreening  command                   Command19:12
rgreeninglol.. great help19:12
rgreeningadept doesn't document those commands ... missing feature19:17
JontheEchidnaI'm sure mornfall would appreciate patches for stuff like that19:18
rgreeningJontheEchidna: that's what I was thinking on doing...19:18
NCommanderJontheEchidna, are you willing to look over my manpage?19:22
NCommanderJontheEchidna, http://paste.ubuntu.com/53510/19:23
JontheEchidnaI'd change "Launchs adept in updater more which is a streamlined interface for handling updating the system." to "Launches adept in updater mode which offers a streamlined interface for handling package updates"19:25
JontheEchidnamore -> mode in any case19:25
JontheEchidnaother than that, lookin' good19:25
NCommanderJontheEchidna, do you work on adept in Debian?19:28
JontheEchidnaI don't really do anything in Debian tbh19:28
NCommanderso much for IRC DDR19:29
NCommanderRiddell, care to sponsor an upload giving adept a manpage?19:34
RiddellNCommander: can do yes19:35
rgreeningNCommander/Riddell: I am also workng on adding the missing help lines to adept. will have debdiff shortly.19:35
NCommanderrgreening, if you just want to roll my mainpage into your patch, we could do tat, make it a single upload19:36
rgreeningsweet. adept help now more helpful19:40
rgreeningRiddell: how do we handle the strings for translations?19:41
jjessergreening: did you write a help manual for adept?19:41
NCommanderrgreening, I forwarded it to Debian so they should benefit from it too19:41
NCommanderjjesse, no, I did19:41
jjesseNCommander: really?19:41
jjessethat's awesome, i've had one i'm been working on in a branch but haven't had time to complete it19:42
rgreeningjjesse: I added the command line help to adept.19:42
jjessenot a full manual?19:42
rgreeningNCommander did the man19:42
NCommanderjjesse, no, I wrote a manpage19:42
jjesseoh cool, mind if i borrow from your man page to compete the manual then?19:42
jjessei would totally credit you19:43
NCommanderjjesse, go for it19:43
* NCommander didn't even take credit in the manpage for writing it :-)19:43
Riddellrgreening: depends on the context19:45
rgreeningNCommander... got your e-mail. so, looks like I'll need to integrate it with adept. Did you already do that (i.e. have a diff/debdiff?)19:45
NCommanderI just finished writing it19:45
Riddellrgreening: what are the missing help lines?19:46
NCommanderIf you want me to do that, finish your work, upload, then ping me19:46
rgreeningRiddell: see paste here... http://paste.ubuntu.com/53514/19:46
rgreeningNCommander: no problem. Was just curious.19:47
rgreeningRiddell: are the strings ok, or do you want to fiddle with them?19:47
rgreeningRiddell: there was no command line help in Adept for the installer or updater command lines19:47
rgreeningthis fixes. tested and verified19:48
Riddellrgreening: that's fine, would be nice if there was a way to say that no command will launch the manager19:49
* NCommander looks at his RS/600019:49
rgreeningtrue. thought about that one. Let me read over main.cpp some more....19:49
Riddellrgreening: the translations get extracted into a .pot file at build time which gets put into rosetta where people can translate it19:50
Riddellnormally we wouldn't update strings this late but rosetta doesn't even have many strings imported so it's moot19:50
rgreeningand this isn't a showstopper anyway.19:50
RiddellNCommander: where's your patch?19:55
NCommanderRiddell, emailed19:58
* apachelogger notes that he once again managed to create the most bizzare code block19:59
rgreeningkubotu: fact #319:59
kubotufact #3 of 6: JontheEchidna needs moar coffeeee [from JontheEchidna!n=jonathan@ubuntu/member/jontheechidna on Wed Oct 01 23:27:52 +0300 2008 in #kubuntu-bunker]19:59
rgreeningnope.. wrong fact19:59
rgreeningkubotu: fact #419:59
kubotufact #4 of 6: smarter is not smarter [from rgreening!n=rgreenin@pool1.corpnat-toroon.gt.ca on Wed Oct 01 23:28:23 +0300 2008 in #kubuntu-bunker]19:59
JontheEchidnakubotu: facts about rgreening20:00
kubotu[2/6] rgreening buries head in sand20:00
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/53517/ \o/20:02
rgreeningRiddell: let me know if this looks good and about the wording: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53518/20:03
Riddellrgreening: great20:03
rgreeningOk, NCommander sent me the man page. Not sure how to integrate man pages yet... do you want me to send the diff for this now or wait until I get the manpage figured out..20:04
* NCommander can wait ;-)20:04
JontheEchidnaRiddell, ScottK: bug 277258 needs sponsoring20:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277258 in kde4libs "Kate KDE4.1 scrolling with the mouse on the scroll bar moves the bar but not the text" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27725820:05
rgreeningRiddell ^ see my last about the manpage20:05
* ScottK looks20:05
Riddellrgreening: it depends in what format the manpage is20:05
rgreeninghmm... NCommander e-mailed you I believe the same as I got20:06
rgreeningRiddell: ^20:06
rgreeningI'll send the debdiff for what I just changed...20:06
NCommanderRiddell, raw man :-)20:07
NCommander(aka nroff)20:07
Riddelljust needs a debian/manpages file then with the name of the manpage20:08
rgreeningoh. ok, I'll test that20:09
rgreeningand send with my change.20:09
ScottKJontheEchidna: I'll sponsor it.  I had to redo debian/changelog because apachelogger already uploaded ubuntu2.20:12
JontheEchidnaoh, and then it merged changelogs20:13
apachelogger...if we were using bzr ... and bzr would read debian/changelog before trying to merge ... this stuff wouldn't happen20:14
ScottKapachelogger: No, you'd be sitting there waiting for it to finish updating instead of doing actual work.20:15
apachelogger... if bzr was written with sensible design and language ... we wouldn't have to be sitting20:16
apacheloggerScottK: It's not like bzr is eating your CPU, is it?20:17
ScottKNo, it's the upload/download with LP that takes an eternity.20:17
apacheloggerwell, I usually do other stuff while bzr is at work, so I barely notice20:17
RiddellScottK: let me know if your upload gets accepted20:25
ScottKRiddell: Will do.20:30
ScottKTest build is still building ...20:30
rgreeningRiddell: I created the manpages dir and put the manpage in a filed named adept. Never built/installed it. missing something?20:30
Riddellshould be called adept.120:32
Riddellthe file should be called  manpages and contain one line with the name of the manpage file20:32
Riddellfor example20:33
* rgreening slaps his forehead20:33
Riddellman dh_installman20:33
rgreeninggood to know20:33
rgreeningRiddell: adept diff sent20:46
rgreeningok, offline ofr a few hours. l8r20:47
Riddellapachelogger: hmm, amarok 2 beta doesn't start here20:55
Riddell<unknown program name>(4831)/: Communication problem with  "amarok" , it probably crashed.20:55
RiddellJontheEchidna, NCommander: that's the adept upload done20:59
JontheEchidnaThanks Riddell21:00
NCommander\o\ /o/ |o\21:00
JontheEchidna|o| <- Tie Fighter21:01
Riddelltooltips are up too incase you missed that21:02
smarterooh, http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/ is greener21:08
JontheEchidnaDoes that mean KDe's new color is green?21:09
ScottKkde4libs is still building and I'm heading out for a while.21:12
apacheloggerJontheEchidna: are you going to blog about 4.1.2?22:16
* apachelogger stops ruby haxx0ring and goes cuddling22:21
ScottKTMI thank you very much.22:22
Riddellapachelogger: who's getting cuddles?22:23
ScottKJontheEchidna: kde4libs uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.22:29
JontheEchidnaScottK: you're welcome22:29
JontheEchidnaway easier to do than tooltips :P22:29
ScottKYes, well that tooltips one is a huge deal for me, I really appreciate it.22:30
ScottKRiddell: I got accepted mail for my upload.22:34
ScottKLooks like kdegraphics is stuck in New.22:36
ScottKRiddell: Did you upload the kdebase-workspace update with the tooltips change?22:37
ScottKIf you did, it looks to me like Soyuz ate it.22:38
JontheEchidnaScottK: workspace finally went through23:49
JontheEchidnaGet:27 http://archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main qt4-doc 4.4.3-0ubuntu1 [52.8MB]23:52
JontheEchidnadang, that's big23:52

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