[00:13] ScottK: our mission is to provide the best KDE desktop based on ubuntu AFAIK [00:13] I'd feel rather uncomfortable shipping GTK software where in most user's use cases ark would do as well [00:28] Hello guys@ [00:28] Do you know how to build kde on release mode? [00:29] Now, even if I put -DCMAKE_BUILD_TYPE=Release, kde is built in debugfull mode [00:31] small 'r'? as in =release? [00:32] Tried too... [00:32] didn't work [04:11] heya [04:11] why the crap is the damn ugly 'gwenview-kde3' preinstalled in kubuntu 8.10 beta ? [04:12] i updated from 8.04 [04:14] can anyone give me the default sources.list for 8.10 please? [04:15] argh [04:16] the new adept is messy... not showing up the packages from sources [04:16] dread: well, for a start, gwenview-kde3 doesn't exist in ubuntu/kubuntu. [04:16] secondly, be respectful if you actually want an answer. [04:17] thirdly, default sources.list is probably a #kubuntu question. [04:19] ok, very sorry T_T [04:19] you guys rock ;-) [04:38] apachelogger: I was thinking in addition, not instead of, but not a big deal. [08:34] why there isnt default list of package in Adept 3 ?? there is only search function to see package ... ! [10:05] Hi. kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" does not give me any new packages. Will I get the same result (I should have gotten with this) by replacing hardy with intrepid in the sources.list? [10:06] Oh...forget it. [10:06] * Salze feels ashamed [10:06] The upgrade button was hidden because the window was too small. [10:14] why is 4.1.2 in hardy but not intrepid is it just beta freeze? [10:17] !info kdelibs5 intrepid | seaLne [10:17] sealne: kdelibs5 (source: kde4libs): core libraries for all KDE 4 applications. In component main, is optional. Version 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu1 (intrepid), package size 9292 kB, installed size 25912 kB [10:19] hmm so it should be? [10:19] well, that's what apt reports [10:20] weird my system agrees didn't remember it installing [10:20] :) [10:20] must have upgraded smoothly then :) [10:21] * seaLne grins [10:51] the beta has issue on my box [10:51] but only the 64bit version [10:52] i couldn't get x running at all [10:52] intel GMA 950 video card [10:52] DreadKnight: works here [10:53] davmor2: installed from cd? [10:53] i have Toshiba portege m405 [10:53] DreadKnight: yeap both alt and live [10:53] i upgraded a hardy install... heh [10:53] only 32 bit worked === akonadi is now known as nihui [12:12] ~topic seperator | [12:12] unknown command [12:12] -.- [12:12] ~help topic [12:12] topic add(at)|prepend|del(ete)|replace|sep(arator)|learn|restore|clear|set|undo: manipulate the topic of the current channel; use topic <#channel> for private addressing [12:12] ~topic sep | [12:12] Topic separator set to | [12:13] ~topic add Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule === kubotu changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Todo | Beta is out, you all rock! | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseSchedule [12:13] ~topic learn [12:13] alright [12:14] I have a problem during the update from Hardy to Intrepid with the adept_manager installation procedure. [12:14] Unfortunately I cannot start konqueror, so I cannot use pastebin. [12:14] Anyone willing to try to help me in a query? [12:14] why can't you start konqueror? [12:14] I think because some parts have already been replaced. [12:15] But I'm not sure. [12:15] It says it cannot initiate http protocol. [12:15] Salze: can you paste to a file? [12:16] Yes. [12:16] Salze: do that [12:16] I have. [12:16] then wget http://aplg.kollide.net/tmp/batpaste [12:16] ruby batpaste FILENAME [12:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/53414/ [12:17] Thank you. [12:19] The installation process hangs (as far as I can tell). Any chance to get it running again? [12:19] Salze: how did you start the upgrade? [12:19] kdesudo ... [12:19] Don't remember exactly - I c&p from the webpage. [12:20] adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel maybe? [12:20] Yes. [12:20] hm [12:20] kdesudo (or something) in front of that. [12:21] Riddell: would that restart the upgrade if it has been aborted? [12:21] The window is still open - I just have the impression it waits for some input. [12:21] But I don't see any question. [12:22] It's stuck at "Configuring landscape-common [12:23] Salze: you will have to wait for Riddell, he knows about the upgrader [12:23] Ok. Thank you for your help! [12:23] You're welcome! [12:29] Just in case someone might be interested: I killed "/usr/bin/python /usr/bin/landscape-sysinfo". Now the installer continues to run. [12:30] Salze: it might happen again [12:30] Same error messages with bash_completion - although this time the installer continues to run. [12:31] * apachelogger is wondering why it can't initialize the kde frontend for debconf [12:31] I don't know. I would suspect some essential kde files got updated already and are now incompatible. [12:32] [13:30] Salze: it might happen again <- it did - several times already. But now it always continues to run. [12:32] Let's wait and see whether the system will be usable at the end. :-) [12:32] well, maybe debconf is locked [12:33] Wouldn't it then complain about locks instead of frontend? [12:33] apachelogger: there is no kde frontend to debconf [12:33] we should probably write one [12:33] Riddell: wasn't there some? [12:33] there was for kde 3, not for kde 4 [12:34] * apachelogger seems to remember that adept poped up with a kde dialog for debconf stuff [12:34] ah, I see [12:34] It did ask me once whether I want to keep or replace changes on some file. Was that debconf? [12:35] no, that was dpkg itself [12:35] Riddell: can you grant a FFe for powerdevil? [12:35] Ok. [12:35] Salze: when your upgrade is done report a bug on update-manager noting where it got stuck and attach /usr/lob/dist-upgrade/* [12:35] s/lob/log [12:35] apachelogger: if there's a good reason I could [12:35] Will do - at least if the system is useable at the end. *gg* [12:35] Riddell: it works better ;-) [12:36] * apachelogger is wondering why drf doesn't keep a changelog -.- [12:36] changelogs are hassle to keep [12:37] apachelogger: yeah, go for it, I'll review the package before uploading [12:38] Riddell: do you want to upload or are you reviewing it before accepting the upload? [12:38] it's in universe, so I can upload :) [12:39] /usr/lob/dist-upgrade/* <- It's /var, right? [12:40] haha, awesome svn log http://paste.ubuntu.com/53418/ [12:40] /var/log/dist-upgrade [12:42] Ok, I managed to save that to my SD card, so that I will have it even if the system does not work after rebooting. [12:54] Riddell: apparently your ksmserver patch broke update-notifier-kde, clicking on the reboot icon brings up the shutdown dialog [12:55] bug 277380 [12:55] Launchpad bug 277380 in kdebase-workspace "After installing updates in Adept and needing to restart, clicking on "restart" tray icon brings up dialog to shut down" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277380 [13:00] Riddell: is that too late to get kpackagekit in the archives ? [13:00] Riddell: 0.1 looks stable to get in universe imho [13:00] apachelogger: go ahead and upload [13:01] Tonio_: that's fine with me [13:01] Riddell: and since we'll probably consider it for jaunty.... why not getting it in... [13:02] Riddell: okay, I'll make the packages clean enough for the archives and upload to revu.... then ping to get revued [13:02] JontheEchidna: mm, it probably just needs to call the correct numbers, unfortunately they're not well documented [13:02] Riddell: uploaded [13:02] apachelogger: what happened to you and core-dev? [13:04] Riddell: rumor has it that apparently it got deferred [13:04] but since motu council does super secret channels I wouldn't know for sure :P [13:04] s/channels/meetings [13:04] ...in super secret channels though... === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:38] It was still listed as a pending application in the meeting notes from the last meeting. [13:45] ScottK: what's it blocked on? [13:46] Riddell: Dunno. They just list pending applications in their call minutes, but don't say why they are still pending. [13:49] poke nixternal [13:49] presumably he needs to show up at a tech board meeting sometime === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak [14:16] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53441/ [14:16] works for me (tm) [14:18] jtechidna: I'm downloading the source from your PPA now. [14:19] mroning [14:19] http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/tooltips.png [14:21] jtechidna: Cool. Thanks. I'll build it and let you know how it works here. [14:22] ScottK: you're welcome. I learned a lot in the process [14:24] jtechidna: I do think Riddell should review it before upload so unless he asks me to after looking at it, I don't think I should sponsor it. [14:24] yeah, def [14:28] OMG.. that pic is awesome [14:29] * rgreening wishes kde 4.2 was ready for intrepid [14:29] come on Jaunty... [14:30] * ScottK finds 4.1 quite exciting enough thank you very much. [14:30] lol [14:31] does anyone here know the Plasman API? I want to code a small app but was looking for someone to work with. [14:32] s/Plasman/Plasma [14:32] I miss my favorites applet... so I want to code one for Plasma... [14:35] rgreening: what do you need to know exactly? [14:36] I haven't looked at Plasma before, so I was looking for someone who has to help out. [14:36] #plasma is usually helpful [14:36] good idea [14:36] And there are lots of examples in KDE's svn [14:36] * rgreening adds to auto-connect [14:36] You can start by modifying an existing plasmoids [14:36] -s [14:37] true. does kdevelop support KDE4 and Plasmoid projects yet? [14:37] Dunno, I'm using kate+konsole usually [14:37] I *think* it does, but I'm not a 100% sure [14:39] kdevelop is just a text editor too, it supports anything. it should come with KDE 4 templates. plasmoid templates probably not but you can start with any existing one [14:39] * sebas nods at Riddell [14:39] sebas: go nod in that other channel over there [14:40] * rgreening installed kdevelop.. KDE4 projects folder... empty.. hrm [14:41] Is there a python bindings support being done (or exist) for plasma yet? [14:42] cause that would be easier :P [14:42] python bindings are in playground/base/plasma but it didn't work last I tried [14:42] will need kde 4.2 anyway [14:42] ah [14:45] yeah, can't wait for 4.2 [14:45] I think I can wait for Jaunty though, Intrepid has been exciting [14:46] Riddell: One problem I ran into when I upgraded was between kdelibs4-dev and kdelibs5-dev. I had kdegames-dev installed and it switched from *4 to *5 and they aren't coinstallable. I could sort it manually and probably so could most people who have -dev packages. Is it worth worrying about? [14:48] ScottK: so apt got confused? [14:49] Riddell: Yes. It couldn't upgrade kdegames-dev because that would have needed kdelibs4-dev removed. I think it's either 'not a big deal' or update-manager needs a special case for it. [14:50] I replicated it do an upgrade of a chroot from hardy to intrepid, so it wasn't a one time oddity. [14:56] good morning [14:57] ScottK: I guess mvo is the person to ask about what the right thing to do is. there should be a right thing to do [14:58] apachelogger: I already commented and gave you a +1 on your application correct? [14:58] Riddell: OK. I'll ask him. [14:58] ScottK: he might be on holiday today though, it's german group hug day [14:59] OK. [14:59] * ScottK adds to TODO. [14:59] nixternal: yes but motu-council hasn't got any further [14:59] hrmm, I don't know why...and I thought I was the one holding up processes due to me working, guess not [15:02] argh, I can see this MC stuff is going to piss me off concerning you apachelogger [15:02] nixternal: how so? [15:03] :/ [15:03] because they waste no time pushing a Canonical employee through for core-dev, but hang up on apachelogger who has been in this community far longer than anyone else currently in the queue...they are doing the same with superm1 as well [15:04] nixternal: superm1 is scheduled for the next tech board meeting. [15:04] wtf [15:04] * smarter is wondering what's happening with his motu application too :] [15:04] * apachelogger is a 2nd class citzien himself [15:04] good, I am glad mario got through then [15:04] apachelogger: I agree :P [15:04] I would lean more for 3rd class citizen with you though :p [15:04] I think it's mostly MC people being busy. [15:05] ScottK: I voted right away and I am never around [15:05] Perhaps some people not sure what the right answer is and spend a long time navel gazing. [15:05] nixternal: then I should switch to xubuntu [15:05] so it isn't the MC being busy [15:05] nixternal: Others haven't voted. Dunno why. [15:05] I come on for 15 minutes a day, I check my email once a week [15:06] i should have voted -1 for apachelogger since he didn't even add me to his application [15:07] lol [15:07] nixternal: I still love you though [15:07] sure you do [15:08] * apachelogger had to browse through 5 neon files in order to find the constant for package revision [15:09] apachelogger: testbuildan a kate fix [15:10] jtechidna: sounds dangerous [15:10] well, it's a 6-line patch :P [15:11] well [15:11] there we have it [15:11] _patch_ [15:11] heh [15:11] !<3 patches [15:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about 3 patches [15:11] :) [15:11] !patches [15:11] Sorry, I don't know anything about patches [15:12] damn, I know I added something about patches [15:12] or maybe workarounds... [15:12] kubotu: facts about patches [15:12] I know nothing about patches [15:12] kubotu: facts about apachelogger [15:12] [5/6] apachelogger has a batman pyjama. [6/6] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds" [15:13] kubotu: facts about nixternal [15:13] I know nothing about nixternal [15:13] good, lets keep it that way! [15:13] lol [15:13] kubotu: fact #2 [15:13] fact #2 of 6: rgreening buries head in sand [from smarter!n=smarter@ubuntu/member/smarter on Wed Oct 01 23:27:17 +0300 2008 in #kubuntu-bunker] [15:14] vore: are you going to the pre-party next friday? if so, I need your cell number so I can call you...I am planning on getting to columbus at around 6/7 pm [15:14] and will need someone to drink with besides my buddy kevin :P === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [15:14] shoot [15:14] vorian: ^^ [15:14] sorry vore [15:15] vore: shoot, you are in tennessee...you going to Ohio Linux Fest next week? :) [15:15] holy [15:15] holy what? [15:15] nothing [15:16] i'm going [15:16] I se [15:16] e [15:16] what time and where is this pre-party [15:16] it's across the street from the conf. center [15:16] Barleys [15:16] let me get a linky [15:16] groovy, barleys, I have been there before [15:17] excellent [15:17] i'll pm my cell [15:17] I am ready to drink people pretty [15:17] +1 630 445 3860 is my cell [15:17] * Jucato writes that down [15:17] write it down [15:17] 740.253.9040 [15:18] if I see a phone number from 043792479365273475283437828043207672048306752784038042 I will let it go to voice mail :P [15:18] haha [15:18] >:) [15:18] you'll only see a number from 1337 :) [15:24] heh, Tooltips even work well with vertical panels: http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c355/Woremar/tooltips2.png [15:27] apachelogger: able to turn up at techboard meeting? (#ubuntu-devel) ? [15:28] Riddell: yes [15:29] apachelogger: guess that's the thing to do then [15:29] * apachelogger creates a calendar entry === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [15:43] Riddell: bug 276588 [15:43] Launchpad bug 276588 in kde4libs "package kdelibs5-dev None [modified: /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdelibs5-dev.list] failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libkjsembed.so', which is also in package libkjsembed-dev" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276588 [15:44] apachelogger: can you connect to upload.ubuntu.com frp? [15:44] ftp [15:45] Riddell: no [15:46] mm, sysadmins are moving machines around [15:51] * apachelogger is wondering why kdeartwork includes incompatible icon themes [15:52] apachelogger: because kdeartwork has no maintainer [15:52] I've tried to hint to ruphy he should do it since he effectivly maintains oxygen from a technical view, but he doesn't seem interested [15:52] Riddell: why does unmaintained stuff get released at all? [15:53] shrug, bits of it are useful, it just needs someone to tidy it up [15:55] I see [15:57] Riddell: btw, did you copy 4.1.2 to the members ppa? [15:58] apachelogger: yes [15:58] Riddell: oh why, but why? :P [15:58] apachelogger: isn't that what needs done? [15:59] Riddell: yeah, doing it about half an hour before KDE publishes the news is good enough though [16:00] apachelogger: well KDE was going to publish this morning [16:00] well [16:00] sebas: did another so* get messed up? ;-) [16:01] germany is on holiday (group hug day). kde falls apart when germany goes on holiday [16:01] ^_^ [16:01] rofl [16:02] Riddell: ban him from holidays :P [16:02] kde4libs always takes so long to compile :( [16:04] * apachelogger finds libs pretty fast actually [16:04] pim and bindings take long [16:04] qt takes longer than anything [16:05] (other than openoffice obviously) [16:06] talking about qt, do we have 4.4.3 in the archive yet? [16:07] no, rgreening sent it to me but it was waiting for beta freeze and now it's waiting for upload.ubuntu.com [16:07] along with a load of other bits [16:09] poor qt [16:09] I've been running the 4.4.3 eversince I built it. Works fine here [16:09] * apachelogger screwed up the complete changelogs for 4.1.2 [16:10] Riddell: I assume the kwin branch removal to kdebase-workspace was also uploaded now? [16:10] we could probably backport the fix from trunk even if suse hasn't updated their branch^ [16:11] that sounds suicidal TBH [16:11] yeah, that patch is HUGE LIEK XBOX [16:12] rgreening: I'm trying an updated version of the patch, but it's also waiting on upload.u.c to reappear [16:13] wow, intrepid is blazing fast compared to hardy kde4... :D [16:13] JontheEchidna: did you fwd the tootip diff to Riddell for inclusion? Real spiffy :) [16:13] Riddell: would you mind reviewing the tooltips patch sometime? http://paste.ubuntu.com/53441/ [16:13] rgreening: ha [16:13] lol [16:13] read my minsd [16:13] s/minsd/mind [16:13] just like when you joined right after I announced working tooltips [16:13] haha [16:13] too funny [16:14] kubotu: order JontheEchidna a Irn Bru [16:14] * kubotu slides jontheechidna a irn bru down the bar to rgreening [16:14] apachelogger: no, sysadmin mia ;) [16:14] doh! [16:14] kubotu: help order [16:14] You may also have a look at 'help order goods/machines/replies' ... Placing an order is actually easy as hell. 'order GOOD' => GOOD gets slid down the bar. 'order GOOD for NICK' => GOOD get slid down the bar to NICK. 'order GOOD for everyone' => everyone gets GOOD (in case the good is finite it will end as you place this order). 'order birthday package' => in case you want to make a special birthday present ;-) [16:15] ah [16:15] kubotu: order a Irn Bru for JontheEchidna [16:15] * kubotu slides a irn bru down the bar to JontheEchidna [16:15] better [16:15] rgreening: so did you get the tooltips working on your box? [16:16] sebas: if KDE had made me sysadmin... :P [16:16] haven't had a chance to dl them. I need to downgrade my version (save rev as yours) to upgrade [16:16] s/save/same [16:16] ah, right [16:17] seriously [16:17] oh my picard! [16:18] sebas: is it me or is the changelog really done manually without using the xml file? [16:18] Dunno, it looks buggered [16:18] that would support my theory [16:19] I am with you then [16:19] I'm actually glad if it's done at all [16:20] looks a bit short [16:22] sebas: maybe we should just tweak carsten's create_changelog script and parse the might commit logs [16:22] * apachelogger drinks yet another cup of awfully cold coffee [16:22] ~order hot coffee for apachelogger [16:22] * kubotu slides hot coffee down the bar to apachelogger [16:23] hm [16:23] apachelogger: not all commits are interesting for the changelog (that's what the .txt links that are broken are there for) [16:23] I fixed them :P [16:23] * apachelogger fixes all the stuff none else cares about :P [16:23] sebas: we could introduce new keywords [16:23] FEATURE: blah [16:23] I love you! [16:23] IMPROVEMENT: blah blah [16:24] \o/ [16:24] Yeah, it should anyway filter out all bugs [16:24] That's be useful, those just belong into the changelog no matter what [16:24] *nod* [16:24] Not even if my cat started complaining in chinese right now [16:25] * apachelogger thinks that would be quite hilarious [16:26] And quite unreasonable. It's far too lazy to have any say. [16:26] And it usually doesn't move it's hairy ass unless it expects food. [16:27] that reminds me of JontheEchidna :P [16:27] * apachelogger scuttles off [16:27] :P [16:27] oh my [16:28] I guess it's what I get for slacking off on backports [16:29] Arby deserves a medal [16:29] he does, for what? [16:29] for doing most of the backports for 4.1.2 [16:30] *shrug* if it leaves other people free to do the hard stuff it's all good :) [16:30] then I don't have to :) [16:32] uh [16:32] I think I fixed neon [16:34] :D [16:34] * JontheEchidna misses his trunky amarok [16:34] well, it gets more broken every day :P [16:35] "It's not broken, it's Amarok" [16:35] JontheEchidna: next time you do the release screenshot again [16:36] heh, ok [16:36] if http://www.kubuntu.org/system/files/kde4_1_2.png was any more blurry it would count as modern art [16:39] bah, where did my sound go [16:41] JontheEchidna: with germany on group hug day? [16:41] probably [16:47] right [16:47] Riddell: please approve kgrubeditor [16:48] apachelogger: that's on my todo list :) [16:48] apachelogger: remind me again the rationale [16:48] we currently have an unstable version and it's stable? [16:48] Riddell: the version we have is undstable compared with the new one [16:48] Artemis_Fowl: fixed a couple of bugs [16:49] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/53472/ [16:50] yep, and one of the bugs was kind of important since it caused a crash upon launching kgrubeditor [16:54] ta da http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 [16:56] :) [16:56] "Submitted on Wed, 2008-10-01" [16:56] publication date would be more appropriate :P [16:57] thanks to whoever submitted it [16:58] * apachelogger fixed the date and removed the reference to kde.org since it still says embargo :P [16:59] thanks [16:59] sebas: fixed the changelog [17:00] nice :P [17:00] * Arby applauds the release and heads for the pub to celebrate [17:00] and because it's 5pm on a friday :) [17:05] only 1:30here... [17:05] * rgreening sneaks a drink under the desk [17:05] 12:05pm [17:09] 18:09 [17:09] ~time [17:09] hm [17:10] Holy crap: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/18156365/iconsallwrong.png [17:10] bug 277458 [17:10] Launchpad bug 277458 in ubuntu "intrepid kde4 icons are all screwed up" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277458 [17:12] err, that looks like when I used crystal icons on hardy... [17:13] yep. wonder if they simply change the icon theme instead of deleting will it fix it. [17:13] ~time [17:13] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Fri Oct 03 18:13 CEST [17:13] ~time [17:13] rgreening: use time set to set your timezone. [17:14] time set America/St_Johns [17:14] doh [17:14] ~ [17:14] JontheEchidna: we can't do anything about it really [17:14] ~time set America/St_Johns [17:14] Ok, I'll remember that rgreening is on the America/St_Johns timezone [17:14] ~time [17:14]