[00:00] <ethana2> right, but i need more detailed data than that, this could be a bug
[00:00] <ethana2> sudo apt-get install pastebin it & lspci | pastebinit
[00:00] <ethana2> whoops
[00:00] <ethana2> sudo apt-get install pastebinit & lspci | pastebinit
[00:00] <ethana2> sorry about that, typo that second time
[00:02] <ethana2> Does 8.10 ship with pastebinit pre-installed yet?
[00:02] <maco> is anyone here using intrepid in kvm?
[00:02] <kjetil1001> HP pavillon dv6921la Notebook TL/60 AMD Turion 64 2048MB 667MHz DDR2  what info specifically is necessary?
[00:03] <ethana2> the gpu line from lspci
[00:03] <bruce89> ethana2: np
[00:03] <ethana2> bruce89: what?
[00:04] <ethana2> bruce89: oh, the pastebinit thing?
[00:04] <taggie> did e1000e ever get un-blacklisted?
[00:04] <ethana2> Q,O
[00:05] <ethana2> taggie: intel put out a patch that keeps non-volatile memory from being written to
[00:05] <ethana2> so it should be, 2.6.27 should work fine
[00:05] <maco> but thats not in beta, i dont think
[00:05] <ethana2> uh oh
[00:05] <maco> i dont think it was merged yet
[00:05] <ethana2> :(
[00:05] <ethana2> that's kind of important........
[00:05] <maco> before the iso's were created, i mean
[00:05] <maco> beta has it blacklisted
[00:05] <ethana2> hmmmmmmmm
[00:05] <ethana2> oh, ok
[00:05] <ethana2> i suppose that works
[00:05] <taggie> ethana2: do you know if it is released? i saw in the package that it was "commited" but i don't know what that means for the beta
[00:06] <ethana2> taggie: me neither
[00:06] <maxb_> Hrm. Upgrading reverted my static IP to DHCP. That is rather undesirable :-/
[00:06] <maco> taggie: means its added to trunk, but hasnt been packaged, i think
[00:06] <taggie> okay, still blacklisted, that's good. that means my card is just blacklisted and not necessarily dead from earlier alphas.
[00:06] <taggie> *crossing fingers*
[00:06] <ethana2> intel will help us fix borked network cards, don't worry
[00:07] <ethana2> you just have to write good data to the eeprom
[00:07] <taggie> ethana2: overall i'm not worried, if intel doesn't fix, it's going to be lenovo's problem since the laptop is under warranty :)
[00:08] <taggie> the beta torrents are screaming fast.
[00:08] <ethana2> beta is out?!
[00:08] <maco> yes, today
[00:09] <ethana2> but like, /now/?
[00:09] <ethana2> not just test .isos?
[00:09] <taggie> ethana2: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/
[00:10] <ethana2> WOOHOOOOOO
[00:10] <ethana2> So if i install this on hardware with an e1000e, it'll just get un-blacklisted via updates, right?
[00:11] <taggie> ethana2, that should be true.
[00:11] <penguin42> ethana2: Assuming you find a way to get updates onto your e1000e machine
[00:11] <ethana2> good.
[00:12] <ethana2> i don't own one, just curious
[00:12] <taggie> ha, that's true.
[00:14] <maxb_> Hrm. Perhaps the release-upgrader should warn if you have an /etc/apt/preferences
[00:15] <maxb_> I had one which prohibited the install of sysvinit-utils. I guess I'm lucky I didn't explode my system
[00:16] <kjetil1001> ethana2  Typed lspci in a terminal window, there are NO gpu line (closeste are co-processor)
[00:16] <maxb_> What's the package to file bugs against for the auto-downloaded dist-upgrader thing?
[00:17] <ethana2> that's very odd, kjetil1001
[00:17] <ethana2> could I have a look at it myself, to be sure?
[00:17] <ethana2> .........
[00:17] <ethana2> sudo apt-get install pastebinit & lspci | pastebinit
[00:17] <ethana2> link?
[00:20] <bruce89> maxb_: update-manager
[00:32] <ethana2> actually, this torrent seems to lack available data
[00:33] <ethana2> ..which is confusing
[00:34]  * ethana21 shakes fist at crappy router
[00:35] <ethana21> YAAYYY it's downloading.  How far should i let my ratio go?  on 8.04.1 i think i got to like 11
[00:44] <redvamp128> I got the creative audigy ls to run the front only Channel in Ubuntu 8.04. But the main volume control does not work have to use alsa mixer. Is there any way to change the defualt panel volume control to change that mixer device?
[00:46] <bruce89> you'd be better off in #ubuntu, this is for Intrepid
[00:47] <redvamp128> I asked about help in that room and waited 2 hours no response-- someone in this room sent me to a guide--- but actually found the how to in a gentoo wiki
[00:48] <redvamp128> I just thought that since this is a developer room--- you may know how to change the panel app settings
[00:49] <danbh_intrepid> redvamp128: this room is not a developer room
[00:50] <redvamp128> That and was wondering if the Creative Sound Blaster Audigy LS works on intrepid?
[00:50] <redvamp128> Out of box?
[00:50] <kjetil1001> ethana2   OK, misread gpu for cpu.....  00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30cf
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at f5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at f4000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	[virtual] Expansion ROM at 88000000 [disabled] [size=128K]
[00:50] <kjetil1001> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[00:51] <bruce89> yikes
[00:52] <bruce89> the wee volume thing has some kind of device changy thing
[00:54] <danbh_intrepid> anyone else experiencing consistent sound problems?  I have to restart pulseaudio after every boot...
[00:54] <bruce89> yes
[00:55] <ethana21> I hope I don't have to purge pulseaudio from my 8.10 like I did with my 8.04
[00:56] <bruce89> someone will probably kick i
[00:56] <Lofde_> I am running the Alpha 6, what would i do to upgrade to the "beta"
[00:56] <Lofde_> ?
[00:56] <ConstantineXVI> wasn't epiphany supposed to go pure webkit in 2.24?
[00:56] <Lofde_> update-manager -d?
[00:56] <ethana21> Constantine: they couldn't do it in time, it'll be the next one
[00:57] <jStefan> Lofde_ just regular updates will do
[00:57] <ethana21> Lofde_: you're already on intrepid
[00:57] <Lofde_> oh.. ok.. i thought i might have to have some 'lot' of updates
[00:57] <Pici> !final
[00:58] <Lofde_> did Gimp 2.6 make it into the beta?
[00:58] <bruce89> no
[00:58] <blak> are there any improvements in the wireless connectivity in Intrepid?
[00:58] <ConstantineXVI> and while I'm waiting on the .iso, how's the new tethering support in NetworkManager>
[00:58] <Lofde_> I like the new gimp.. its nice.. i found it on a apt source
[00:58] <ConstantineXVI> s/>/?
[00:58] <jStefan> blak, i've heard yes
[00:58] <bruce89> I'll PPA it tomorrow as it's in Debian now
[00:59] <blak> better options for connecting to radius wpa 802.1x servers and such?
[00:59] <yavapai> I want to re-install 8.01 to the new beta 386 live desktop wondering if 2.6.26 is included or 2.6.27 only
[00:59] <Lofde_> 2.6.27
[00:59] <bruce89> interestingly GIMP depends on WebKit now
[00:59] <ConstantineXVI> yavapai: packages.ubuntu.com is your friend
[00:59] <yavapai> thanks lofde
[01:00] <Lofde_> np
[01:03] <yavapai> well ive tested too much stuff and would like a clean slate but 2.6.27 wont mount a ext3 usb hd that i use alot so i can upgrade hardy to the beta and have both right
[01:03] <yavapai> ?
[01:04] <bruce89> have both whats?
[01:04] <yavapai> .26 & .27
[01:05] <bruce89> !linux-meta
[01:05] <bruce89> !info linux-meta
[01:06] <Pici> !info linux
[01:07] <Pici> Hrm.. thats a bit out of date.
[01:07] <Pici> 2.6.27.4.4 locally.
[01:07] <burner> is the e1000e thing supposed to be fixed yet?
[01:08] <jStefan> !info linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic
[01:08] <bruce89> burner: yes and no#
[01:09] <bruce89> the package was too late for the beta, but an upgrade to the new kernel will fix that
[01:09] <burner> i'm scared to boot the new kernel... i've had to do -3 to get my networking to work
[01:10] <yavapai> well i tried kde4 and not sure best to get rid of everything it came with i removed kubuntu-desktop and a few others but im still stuck with all the kde4 stuff
[01:10] <bruce89> the perils of not using aptitude
[01:11] <yavapai> yea i used synaptics
[01:11] <ethana21> i suppose i'll find out soon enough
[01:11] <jStefan> seems .26 is not in the mirrors
[01:11] <bruce89> nope
[01:11] <ethana21> but does the 8.10 beta have new art?
[01:12] <bruce89> of coursr
[01:12] <burner> ethana21: new wallpaper is all
[01:12] <ethana21> burner: *headdesk*
[01:12] <ethana21> we still have seperate title bars, menu bars, and window backgrounds then?
[01:12] <ethana21> elegance fail.
[01:12] <burner> ethana21: phoronix.com has an article about the artwork where they link to the ubuntu wiki... look for artworkincoming for intrepid proposals... some nice stuff there
[01:13] <Pici> Separate?
[01:13]  * bruce89 doesn't understand all the nonsense about the artwork
[01:13] <ethana21> yeah, i can't get dust to work
[01:13] <ethana21> Pici: visually distinct
[01:13] <Pici> ethana21: ah
[01:13]  * burner does... wtf.. it's heinous
[01:13] <burner> newhuman is cool :)
[01:13] <ethana21> newhuman?
[01:13] <bruce89> all humans are no good
[01:13] <ethana21> heh
[01:13] <ethana21> vulcans are superior
[01:13] <jStefan> last time i looked at it (alpha5) i didnt like it much, has it changed?
[01:13] <bruce89> that works both ways
[01:14] <ethana21> ohh, right, newhuman
[01:14] <ethana21> they reverted i think, back to plain human
[01:14] <jStefan> orange > brown
[01:14] <burner> you can pick new human, then colors, and change the farse lookin orange :)
[01:14] <ethana21> but i use maximus, so i don't see title bars often anyway
[01:14] <burner> ethana21: netbook?
[01:14] <bruce89> me uses Clearlooks
[01:14] <ethana21> desktop with netbook elements
[01:14] <bruce89> but orange
[01:14] <ethana21> window-picker-applet is the best applet of its function ever to see the light of day
[01:15] <ethana21> barring absolutely none
[01:15] <ethana21> it'll be nice when it's more fully featured
[01:15] <ethana21> .iso is done
[01:15]  * ethana21 burns
[01:15]  * bruce89 freezes
[01:16] <kjetil1001> ﻿kjetil: Help guys!! May system was broken, updating from 8.04 to 8.10. will not boot, running now from 8.04CD. How to doctorthe system, apart from reinstalling 8.04?  messega from boot, > cannot find device (screen).
[01:16] <ethana21> kjetil1001: you still haven't given me your lspci
[01:17] <ethana21> the only thing you can fix without knowing what's wrong with it is windows
[01:17] <ethana21> and that's not 'fixing', per sé
[01:17] <burner> http://burner.ath.cx/screenshots/Screenshot.png
[01:17] <kjetil1001> OK, you are back again. Found it now.00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2) (prog-if 00 [VGA controller])
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Subsystem: Hewlett-Packard Company Unknown device 30cf
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Flags: bus master, 66MHz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 10
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at f5000000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at d0000000 (64-bit, prefetchable) [size=256M]
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Memory at f4000000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16M]
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	[virtual] Expansion ROM at 88000000 [disabled] [size=128K]
[01:17] <kjetil1001> 	Capabilities: <access denied>
[01:17] <ethana21> not in the channel
[01:17] <jStefan> !pastebin | kjetil1001
[01:17] <ethana21> pastebinit is the package that does that for you
[01:18] <ethana21> ..which should be installed in ubuntu main
[01:19] <ethana21> ok wait
[01:19] <ethana21> nVidia geforce 7150M..
[01:19] <ethana21> ...i don't remember what to do after that point, any X experts here?
[01:19] <jStefan> ask if using nv or nvidia?
[01:20] <ethana21> what he said
[01:20] <ethana21> he's on a livecd now, so he'd be using the 2d nvidia obfuscated drive
[01:21] <ethana21> does nv mean noveau?
[01:21] <remu> anyone here running intel ich9 sound card? like the idt one?
[01:21] <bruce89> ethana21: plain old original xorg driver
[01:21] <jStefan> nv = open source nvidia driver, nvidia = drivers provided by nvidia
[01:21] <bruce89> !bot
[01:22] <jStefan> kjetil1001, does an 8.10 live cd work?
[01:23] <kjetil1001> I pasted it at   http://paste.ubuntu.com/53335/
[01:23]  * ethana21 reads
[01:25] <kjetil1001> jStefan> I didnt make an 8.10 live CD. Could try (tomorrow)
[01:26] <jStefan> kjetil1001, does the system completly hang, or can you get to a terminal. Try (ctrl+alt+f1) when it finishes booting
[01:30] <kjetil1001> It didnt completely hang, it offered in a window to try to reinstall backup of configuration. Tried to do that, was said it was done, but no effect when rebooting --- just offering the same thing anew
[01:31] <jStefan> it may something wrong with the nvidia drivers, or the xorg config
[01:32] <jStefan> s/may/may be/
[01:43] <kjetil1001> So what should I do for now, start to (re)install 8.04?
[01:47] <jStefan> kjetil1001, you could try moving your current xorg config and putting a blank one in
[01:47] <jStefan> kjetil1001, you could also try removing the "nvidia" drivers and keeping the "nv" drivers
[01:51] <mcquaid> does anyone know if intreped's kernel has a newer driver for zd1211rw?
[01:52] <mcquaid> it's a usb wifi it locks up/goes down periodically
[01:52] <ryanakca> I want to format my harddrives (each of which having LVM)... however, the installer doesn't let me erase and use the full disk because it has logical volumes still in use... what can I do?
[01:56] <kjetil1001> OKI. Will try suggestions tomorrow.
[02:02] <jStefan> ryanakca, if you want to use the full disk, maybe you can boot to the live cd and use gparted to  delete all the partitions. note that will delete all information currently stored there
[02:05] <danbh_intrepid> anyone here watching the debate on intrepid, over the web?
[02:06] <burner> hell yea!
[02:06] <burner> msnbc.com streams
[02:06] <burner> so does cspan.org
[02:06] <burner> msnbc is flash
[02:07] <jStefan> what debate?
[02:07] <burner> USA vice presidential - joe biden (democrat) - sarah palin (republican)
[02:08] <danbh_intrepid> thank you, thankk you!!!!! burner, msnbc is working.   Thanks again
[02:08] <jStefan> i totally misread that
[02:08] <burner> have fun :)
[02:08] <burner> go biden! :)
[02:08] <jStefan> i thought there was a debate about intrepid xD
[02:10] <x1250> anyone else suffering of high disk read/writes when using transmission? My HD seems to go nuts when opening transmission with some 2GB torrents.
[02:10] <danbh_intrepid> x1250: you have enough ram?
[02:11] <x1250> danbh_intrepid, 2GB ram, system monitor says usage is 40%
[02:11] <x1250> roughly 800MB used
[02:13] <x1250> I have one 5GB torrent downloading and another one of 1.8GB. When closing transmission the hd stops working. I guess this could be a upstream bug?
[02:15] <danbh_intrepid> well, 5g is too much to cache, it might not be a bug, I dunno, but no harm in filing
[02:15] <d4t4min3r> anyone know if the new 2.6.0 gimp will be included in 8.10
[02:16] <x1250> d4t4min3r, you can get it from...
[02:16] <x1250> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/c-korn/ubuntu intrepid main
[02:17] <d4t4min3r> will it be in the 8.10 official release?
[02:17] <danbh_intrepid> packages.ubuntu.com
[02:18] <d4t4min3r> gimp (2.4.7-1ubuntu1)   ... so no 2.6.0
[02:18] <d4t4min3r> ?
[02:19] <Lofde_> omg
[02:19] <Lofde_> This VP Debate
[02:19] <Lofde_> Someone please
[02:19] <Dankzor> hi! I've installed intrepid ibex because it's said to have out of the box full support for the realtek wireless card RTL8187b. But it still does not work. It initially listed wireless networks, but was unable to connect to them. So i tried to use the winxp driver with ndiswrapper. It still don't work. Worse, now it cant neither list "available" wireless networks.
[02:19] <danbh_intrepid> Lofde_: msnbc.com
[02:19] <Lofde_> No im watching it
[02:20] <Lofde_> I just cant believe what she just said
[02:20] <Lofde_> Canada has free govt run health care, even Cuba, has anyone seen Sicko- Michael Moore?!
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Lofde_: and how does that relate to ubuntu intrepid ibex?
[02:21] <Lofde_> Hobbsee,  because linux is free too
[02:21] <d4t4min3r> lol
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Lofde_: #ubuntu-offtopic.  Or, even better again, ##politics.
[02:21] <Lofde_> =) ill shutup now hah
[02:21] <d4t4min3r> so i take it.. no gimp 2.6.0? or is it possible they will update ?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> d4t4min3r: may update
[02:22] <danbh_intrepid> d4t4min3r: yeah, it looks like not at release, maybe in backports
[02:22] <d4t4min3r> not real shore of the process but.. has it be requested?
[02:22] <d4t4min3r> not sure what a backport is
[02:23] <danbh_intrepid> d4t4min3r: it usually comes down to timing.  Programs need to get released before the freezes take place
[02:23] <Hobbsee> d4t4min3r: they already know about it, and will backport if it's got time to be tested, isn't bringing up regressions, etc.
[02:23] <d4t4min3r> interesting.. wow im looking in sound,  http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/sound/   and there is no rythmbox
[02:24] <danbh_intrepid> http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/rhythmbox
[02:25] <Dankzor> where can I get support on wireless card rtl8187b for intrepid ibex?
[02:25] <danbh_intrepid> o crap, just lost the debate stream!!
[02:26] <danbh_intrepid> whew, its back!
[02:26] <Hobbsee> d4t4min3r: it changed sections.  http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/gnome
[02:27] <d4t4min3r> oh oh i see
[02:27] <Lofde_> d4t4min3r,  if you want to install gimp 2.6 i can show you how
[02:27] <Lofde_> theres a repository you can add i have it installed
[02:27] <d4t4min3r> i havent switched to the beta 8.10 yet
[02:39] <DaskreecH> Hooray!! beta is out :)
[02:39] <DaskreecH> are there any CD images?
[02:40] <danbh_intrepid> topic?
[02:40] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, /topic
[02:42] <ryanakca> jStefan: Yep, thanks
[02:42] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: ah right cool Any reason why cdimages only has DVDs ?
[02:42] <danbh_intrepid> no clue on any of those issues
[02:43] <cwillu> DaskreecH, the ensuing confusion provides comic relief for the developers
[02:43] <DaskreecH> Oh well I'm always up for comic developers
[02:43] <DaskreecH> makes for better error messages
[02:43] <cwillu> life is better in comics sans!
[02:47]  * DaskreecH hangs out with enough designers to know agreeing with that wil put a price on his head
[02:52] <Hobbsee> DaskreecH: releases.ubuntu.com is where the cds are.
[02:52] <Hobbsee> DaskreecH: because it's, y'know, a release.
[02:56] <freeRag> can i use UNetbootin to install itrepid to USB drive ?
[02:58] <Daisuke_Ido> JesseL627: don't do it here.
[02:59] <carutsu> I cannot upgrade to Intrepid, I get the followig error: "failed to mark 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' for install ('kubuntu-kde4-desktop')" (got it doing "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log")
[03:06] <carutsu> anyone?
[03:13] <xxploit> that package probably isnt avaible yet unless im mistaken
[03:13] <DaskreecH> Hobbsee: By that logic why the hell are there no cds on Cdimages? :)
[03:13] <xxploit> there are cds for all the alphas
[03:13] <Hobbsee> DaskreecH: space concerns.
[03:14] <Hobbsee> iirc
[03:14] <DaskreecH> and the DVD iso is better for space?
[03:14] <xxploit> i just grab the cd images, forget what is on the dvd isos
[03:14] <Hobbsee> DaskreecH: the problem is having them all one the one machine, i think.
[03:15] <Hobbsee> although i woul dhave thought there'd be old dalies there.
[03:15] <freeRag> can i use UNetbootin to install intrepid to USB drive ? should i chose the daily live option ?
[03:15] <DaskreecH> That's what I be grabbing
[03:15] <DaskreecH> What's a good way to remaster a Ubuntu ISO?
[03:15] <td123> wow, I can't believe beta is out already, time is flying so fast :D
[03:16] <Hobbsee> DaskreecH: the other end of a google search - there's some good wiki stuff on it
[03:16] <td123> DaskreecH: please don't create another ubuntu spinoff :( I hate it when the ubuntu based distros just add some packages and rename it :/
[03:17] <xxploit> DaskreecH, remastersys
[03:17] <JontheEchidna> kubugocrazylolbuntu
[03:17] <td123> xxploit: your going to see another new distro tomarrow in distrowatch :P
[03:18] <xxploit> td123, Lol...well alot of ppl like to remaster the cd's for personal use so that way they can have an install cd for themselves with whatever they need
[03:18] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: fairly sure that would be a case of infringing on a trademark ;)
[03:18] <td123> xxploit: imo, if you have a network connection, then a simple bash script with all the things you need should be sufficient
[03:19] <JontheEchidna> Hobbsee: a good thing too ;-)
[03:19] <Hobbsee> JontheEchidna: indeed!
[03:19] <xxploit> td123, yeh but relying on a netconnection + time, seems not to be as great of a benefit as having an install cd with everything you need
[03:20] <xxploit> plus alot of ppl like to precustomize things to their liking so that it does not need to be done over and over again, it just saves alot of time imo
[03:20] <l337ingDisorder> this may be a bit too noobish a question to ask in the shadows of giants, but at the risk of being laughed out of the chan I'll ask anyway..
[03:20] <l337ingDisorder> I'm trying to write a bash script that calls another bash script for output... to clarify, I'd like to have a list of e-mail addresses in a text file separated by commas, and I'd like to have this list dumped in between a pair of quotes in a bash script.. can someone point me in the right direction for docs on how to do that?
[03:21] <td123> xxploit: how much times do you install ubuntu? its not winxp you know :D
[03:22] <Hobbsee> l337ingDisorder: echo `inner script here` continue outer script here?
[03:22] <xxploit> td123, time meaning all the customizations after a ubuntu install. User settings. I mean most ppl have their various tweaks to the distro and the apps themselves
[03:22] <Hobbsee> l337ingDisorder: not nice for longer scripts, but that's one of the easier ways.
[03:23] <td123> xxploit: it takes me under 30 seconds to customize a fresh install :P
[03:23] <l337ingDisorder> Hobbsee: so if my list of e-mail addresses is in a file called "list" I'd just use
[03:23] <xxploit> td123, well you needs maybe less than others =)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> l337ingDisorder: such as for i in `basename *.tar.bz2 .tar.bz2`; do bzcat {$i}.tar.bz2 | gzip > {$i}.orig.tar.gz && sed -e 's/\([A-Za-z]*\)-\([0-9]*\)/\1_\2/' $i; done
[03:23] <l337ingDisorder> actually wait
[03:23] <Hobbsee> l337ingDisorder: oh, right, it is in a file.
[03:23] <l337ingDisorder> yea
[03:23] <td123> I turn off visual appearence, get rid of all the panel junk and I'm stuck with one panel, finito
[03:24] <Hobbsee> l337ingDisorder: suggest consulting a bash guide for that.
[03:24] <l337ingDisorder> basically I'm trying to automate a weekly notification e-mail for a distro list that's changing from week to week
[03:24] <td123> http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prog-Intro-HOWTO.html
[03:24] <td123> for l337ingDisorder
[03:24] <l337ingDisorder> so I want to call sendEmail -t "(list)"
[03:24] <l337ingDisorder> td123: many thanks, that's goin in the bookmark list for sure :)
[03:24] <td123> l337ingDisorder: dont forget about google
[03:25] <td123> that was the first thing that popped up when I search bash intro :D
[03:25] <carutsu> I cannot upgrade to Intrepid, I get the followig error: "failed to mark 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' for install ('kubuntu-kde4-desktop')" (got it doing "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log")
[03:25] <td123> searched
[03:25] <carutsu> what should I do?
[03:25] <l337ingDisorder> yeah I know all about google but was hoping to take a short cut ;)
[03:25] <l337ingDisorder> to be honest I fully expected a good hearty round of RTFM's ;)
[03:25] <td123> I do that too sometimes when i feel like being lazy
[03:26] <td123> l337ingDisorder: in this case, RTFD
[03:26] <td123> d = documentation
[03:26] <td123> since the man page is pretty skimpy, I think
[03:26] <l337ingDisorder> fair enuf :)
[03:27] <espacious> im installing gos on an old lappy whick filesystem should i select?
[03:28] <l337ingDisorder> espacious: reiserFS, but only if you're feeling murderous
[03:28] <td123> espacious: ext3
[03:28] <espacious> oki thanks
[03:28] <td123> espacious: fine, go with murderfs
[03:28] <td123> it will kill your wife if you have one :D
[03:29] <espacious> its an old lifebook 1400mhz 700Ram lifebook 1020
[03:29] <espacious> :D
[03:29] <espacious> haha
[03:29] <td123> you call that old? dang
[03:29] <espacious> not married yet!
[03:29] <xxploit> I think reiserFS is pretty much dead no? I mean I doubt we will see v4 ever and most distros have moved away from it now
[03:29] <espacious> its not?
[03:29] <DaskreecH> td123: naw need to redo a livecd to login securely on boot for somethign at work
[03:29] <td123> xxploit: not true, its still has advantages over ext3
[03:30] <xxploit> but for how long? and for that matter when are we going to see ext4
[03:30] <espacious> i spent 100€ on bateery for that lappy
[03:30] <l337ingDisorder> haha I dunno man, I can see him inside his cell right now, scrawling filesystem code all over the walls
[03:30] <espacious> damn
[03:30] <td123> xxploit: let me check my crystal ball next to my giant penguin
[03:30] <xxploit> lol
[03:30] <td123> xxploit: it says the future looks cloudy
[03:30] <RAOF> xxploit: ext4?  Stabilising now.
[03:30] <xxploit> haha
[03:31] <espacious> hahaha
[03:31] <td123> anyone here use xmonad?
[03:31] <DaskreecH> l337ingDisorder: #bash :) prepare for abuse they are very helpful and not very friendly
[03:31] <td123> nvm, this is ubuntu, :D
[03:32] <l337ingDisorder> I'm in #bash getting help right now :)
[03:32] <DaskreecH> There you go :)
[03:33] <l337ingDisorder> and having gone in by stating that I was expecting to be slapped with an RTFM they seem to accept my humility ;)
[03:34] <DaskreecH> They have a wonderful FAQ listed
[03:35] <DaskreecH> It fits the term FAQ more than jsut about any other project I've seen
[03:35] <DaskreecH>  (maybe grub comes close)
[03:37] <DaskreecH> Wiping my main machine and putting on Kubuntu Ibex in 5.. 4...
[03:48] <alteregoa> how can i fix intrepid to mount ext4 drives?
[03:49] <alteregoa> i got a fedora 9 harddisk with ext4
[03:49] <bsnider> a major update to network-manager was just released
[03:50] <bsnider> fixes bug 276253
[03:55] <RAOF> alteregoa: By rebuilding the kernel with the ext4 module enabled.
[03:55] <thiebaude> so far everything in 8.10 works
[03:56]  * DaskreecH plays ominous music
[03:56]  * DaskreecH laughs
[04:07] <carusu_> can I have some help?
[04:09] <Hobbsee> carusu_: no.
[04:10]  * DaskreecH puts on his "/boot help a guy out!" shirt
[04:10] <RAOF> Or, less abruptly: not without telling us what the problem is :)
[04:12] <DaskreecH> Well my Radiator Hose pipe is clenched and I was wondering if someone could look at it XD
[04:12] <carusu_> Hobbsee: aparently I've been askin' for a while :P
[04:13] <carusu_> DaskreecH: lol
[04:13] <Hobbsee> carusu_: i can't see it in my backscroll
[04:13] <carusu_> as Carutsu
[04:13] <carusu_> Hobbsee: ^
[04:14] <Hobbsee> oh
[04:14] <Hobbsee> run the dist-upgrade again?
[04:14] <IdleOne> carusu_: save us the time and effort and ask again
[04:14] <carusu_> yep, failed again
[04:14] <carusu_> sure IdleOne
[04:14] <carusu_> here it goes:  I got the error: "failed to mark 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' for install"
[04:16] <carusu_> do you need any log ?
[04:16]  * carusu_ tries again 
[04:16] <DaskreecH> what have you tried to fix it so far?
[04:17] <carusu_> DaskreecH: to be honest, nothing. I'm affraid I might break things much worse, (i've done it before)
[04:17] <carusu_> just a second, re-runnning
[04:19] <carusu_> it says that unresolved problem was encountered, that a package couldn't be found to be installed
[04:21] <IdleOne> carusu_: did you change sources.list ?
[04:21] <RAOF> So, you may have better luck by first uninstalling the kubuntu-kde4-desktop package.
[04:22] <RAOF> Because it no longer exists in Intrepid.  (If that fixes it, this would need to be fixed in update-manager, I believe).
[04:23] <carusu_> let me see if I have such package
[04:24] <carusu_> IdleOne: yes but AFAICT it changed back to non-third repositores
[04:24] <carusu_> RAOF: it seems I don't have such package
[04:25] <RAOF> Really?  Odd.
[04:25] <RAOF> What is the command that you are running?
[04:26] <carusu_> kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[04:26] <ethana2> I'm making a script to modify Ubuntu into my own custom distro so I don't have to make the same modifications over and over and over again
[04:26] <ethana2> how do I make apt install every package whose name is in a text file?
[04:26] <ethana2> ...or would it be more practical and/or proper to just make a .deb metapackage?
[04:26] <RAOF> You'd be after dpkg --set-selections and dpkg --list-selections, I believe.
[04:26] <IdleOne> !clone | ethana2 check out this link
[04:27] <ethana2> thanks
[04:28] <RAOF> carusu_: And can you pastebin the output of 'apt-cache policy kubuntu-kde4-desktop'?
[04:28] <carusu_> RAOF: in a minute
[04:28] <carusu_> !rafb
[04:28] <carusu_> I'm afraid that is in spanish
[04:29] <carusu_> RAOF: http://rafb.net/p/f28cqh13.html
[04:30] <carusu_> basically it doesn't know about it but is trying to install it
[04:32] <RAOF> Hm.  I'd therefore try do-release-upgrade -d
[04:32] <carusu_> how about a sudo apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[04:33] <carusu_> as in "adep_manager do-release-upgrade -d " ?
[04:34] <RAOF> No, as in "do-release-upgrade -d"
[04:34] <ethana2> 'ethbuntu-desktop' text file contents:          inkscape window-picker-applet libdvdcss2 googleearth
[04:34] <ethana2> dpkg: unexpected data after package and selection at line 1
[04:34] <carusu_> RAOF: I didn't know about that command!
[04:34] <carusu_> doing
[04:35] <ethana2> RAOF: how do i need to format the list of packages i want to install?
[04:35] <RAOF> ethana2: Dunno.
[04:35] <ethana2> hmm
[04:35] <ethana2> i think i'll just try to pipe the text file at the install command
[04:35]  * ethana2 fiddles with script
[04:36] <carusu_> RAOF: It said that the update couldn't be calculated,
[04:37] <carusu_> said that I might wanna have a look at /var/log/dist-upgrade/* let me see
[04:37] <ethana2> ok, I want it to install the result of 'cat ethbuntu-desktop'
[04:38] <carusu_> RAOF: ok, doing "cat /var/log/dist-upgrade/main.log" says: "ERROR failed to mark 'kubuntu-kde4-desktop' for install ('kubuntu-kde4-desktop')", "ERROR Dist-upgrade failed"
[04:39] <RAOF> Hm.  Might be time to file a bug.
[04:39] <IdleOne> ethana2: sudo dpkg --set-selections < ethbuntu-desktop-result && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade for example ( ethbuntu-desktop-result being the name of the file you placed the output of cat )
[04:40] <DaskreecH> Ethbuntu?
[04:40] <ethana2> IdleOne: printing one text file to another using cat is...  not.. productive
[04:41] <ethana2> IdleOne: I have a plaintext file with just the names of packages i want to install
[04:41] <ethana2> i'm reading bash guides now
[04:41] <RAOF> carusu_: Against update-manager-core, attaching the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade, and also /etc/apt/sources.list and the output of "dpkg --list".
[04:41] <ethana2> DaskreecH: yeah..  Ethbuntu: so easy to use it's not unix anymore
[04:41] <IdleOne> ok each package goes on a separate line and then replace the my-packages with the name of the file
[04:42] <ethana2> ah
[04:42] <ethana2> k
[04:42] <DaskreecH> ethana2: ewwww Mac
[04:42] <ethana2> no, mac is unix
[04:42] <DaskreecH> :-P
[04:42] <DaskreecH> Unix is so simple it requires a lot of brain to appreciate the simplicity
[04:42] <ethana2> I'm talking an english CLI
[04:42] <espacious> what a hell happened to ndiswrapper i was using TEW424 usb adapter for wireless
[04:42] <espacious> but since i upgraded/renstalled to new version my pc freezes when try to connect
[04:42] <espacious> to my ruter i need to hard reboot,i fonund out 128bit WEP works ok but not WPA. somebody?
[04:42] <ethana2> with a 'remove' command that sends files to the trash
[04:42] <DaskreecH> cp file file
[04:42] <DaskreecH> Righto Chap!!
[04:43] <DaskreecH> ethana2: I have that.. alias isn't that hard
[04:43] <ethana2> right.
[04:43] <ethana2> i have a ton of them.
[04:43] <ethana2> fixing typos like 'wget' and 'umount'
[04:43] <IdleOne> ethana2: run dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages  and look at my-packages file for the format as an example. then create your own file
[04:43] <ethana2> i have an install, uninstall, friggin...
[04:43] <ethana2> IdleOne: yes, thank you
[04:44] <carusu_> RAOF: ok, I'll do it
[04:44] <DaskreecH>  ethana2: what is friggin aliased to?
[04:44] <ethana2> it's sudo now
[04:44] <ethana2> but it should be gksu
[04:44] <ethana2> what i /want/ is something that's gksu AND kdesu
[04:45] <ethana2> permissions wise
[04:45] <DaskreecH> insert script here
[04:45] <DaskreecH> Permissions?
[04:45] <ethana2> yeah.....
[04:45] <ethana2> gui toolkit permissions
[04:45] <DaskreecH> gksu and kdesudo have differnt permissions?
[04:46] <ethana2> ...i'd /think/ so
[04:46] <ethana2> if you run a kde app with gksu, does it run QT in root?
[04:46] <ethana2> if not, then I don't need to change anything
[04:46] <DaskreecH> Ah right. Yeah insert script here
[04:48] <ianliu_88> Is it possible to burn the CD iso file of ubuntu on a DVD?
[04:48] <ianliu_88> will it work?
[04:48] <ianliu_88> I only got DVDs...
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ianliu_88: no reason why it wouldn't.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ianliu_88: will be a waste of space on the dvd, though, obviously.
[04:49] <ethana2> ok, got that working...
[04:49] <ianliu_88> uhum.. well, dvds are 60 cents, so, who cares ^^
[04:52] <pen> hey
[04:52] <pen> is it timed to upgrade from hardy now?
[04:52] <pen> is it safe?
[04:53] <danbh_intrepid> no. its beta
[04:53] <pen> danbh_intrepid, did you?
[04:53] <danbh_intrepid> well, ive been running it since alpha 5
[04:53] <ethana2> pen, have you alpha or beta tested ubuntu before?
[04:54] <pen> ethana2, I want to test it on the external and it works although it's still buggy when you have that dialog after installing the kernel
[04:55] <pen> ethana2, you know what I'm talking about right?
[04:55] <ethana2> pen: whatever you do, keep a stable ubuntu install around until 8.10 is out, mkay?
[04:55] <ethana2> i'm using intrepid now, it's okay, but I'm dual booting with hardy this time
[04:55] <ethana2> i'm not going to make the development-install-only mistake again
[04:56] <pen> ethana2, what happened before?
[04:57] <ethana2> pen: i couldn't escape breakage, because i had no where to run to
[04:58] <DaskreecH> ethana2: I keep a live CD around and just work from that
[04:58] <ethana2> i did too, but they load slow and don't persist and all that
[04:59] <pen> breakage?
[04:59] <pen> oh
[04:59] <DaskreecH> Guess it doesn't hurt that I do most of my work from CLI
[04:59] <pen> DaskreecH, what did you use? apt-get? aptitude?
[04:59] <DaskreecH> pen: What?
[05:01] <pen> DaskreecH, what did you use when there is a breakage?
[05:01] <danbh_intrepid> pen: I think you can mount the broken drive, then chroot to that mount point, and then run an upgrade.  That way, you get updates, which probably contains fixes for the breaks
[05:02] <DaskreecH> pen: You mean to fix it?
[05:02] <pen> DaskreecH, yea
[05:02] <pen> danbh_intrepid, I still have no clue how chroot works
[05:02] <DaskreecH> pen: Oh no wasn't talking about fixage just getting stuff done while the world breaks around you
[05:02] <carusu_> RAOF: reported
[05:03] <danbh_intrepid> pen: chroot changes where your shell thinks the / is
[05:03] <pen> DaskreecH, ok
[05:03] <DaskreecH> pen: probably should play with chroot a while before playing around with the horned animal :)
[05:03] <pen> danbh_intrepid, I see
[05:04] <danbh_intrepid> pen: so, you use chroot from a livecd to get to your real root, since on a livecd, / is mounted on your ram
[05:04] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: But the beauty is you are still running the kernel from the CD which is gummy goodness
[05:05] <pen> DaskreecH, why?
[05:05] <danbh_intrepid> cause we are talking about a time when your kernel is broken?
[05:07] <DaskreecH> pen: Cause stuff will break. And the more inexperienced you are the higher the likelihood the universe will force solar beams to break the machine
[05:09] <pen> danbh_intrepid, oh
[05:09] <pen> danbh_intrepid, I thought you mean the packages
[05:10] <DaskreecH> pen: highly highly recommend that you do a side by side install
[05:10] <pen> I will install on my external
[05:10] <pen> and when I want to try 8.10 beta I will just boot to USB hdd
[05:11]  * DaskreecH nods
[05:12] <pen> DaskreecH, but it's tricky when you install ubuntu on USB you have to change the men.lst later to fix the boot problem
[05:13] <danbh_intrepid> pen: can you do it through the bios?  thats probably the easiest,  When you  want to play with intrepid, have the bios boot to the usb...
[05:13] <pen> danbh_intrepid, my laptop have the option to press a certain key to change the boot sequence
[05:13] <pen> danbh_intrepid, so I don't really need bios
[05:14] <danbh_intrepid> I don't think my bios supports booting to usb...
[05:14] <danbh_intrepid> pen: well, what you are describing IS using the bios
[05:15] <pen> danbh_intrepid, eh, no.
[05:15] <pen> danbh_intrepid, I don't think so
[05:16] <danbh_intrepid> why do you say?
[05:17] <pen> danbh_intrepid, I'm not using the bios
[05:17] <DaskreecH> pen: The button is an extension of the BIOS setting.
[05:17] <danbh_intrepid> I guess you could get philosophical, and say that all the various things that the bios's do these days isn't really the bios, like some have built in mp3 and movie players, and internet browsers
[05:17] <DaskreecH> internet browsers are not Basic Input Output :)
[05:18] <pen> DaskreecH, really?
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> but I consider everything before the boot of the OS part of the bios :P
[05:18] <DaskreecH> pen: yeah
[05:18] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: Well does staged OS boots count? :)
[05:18] <danbh_intrepid> I mean, what else do you call it?
[05:18] <pen> DaskreecH, I am not sure
[05:18] <DaskreecH> Embedded OS?
[05:19] <alteregoa> what kind of drivers i have to install a geforce 4 ti?
[05:20] <pen> is there improvements in the new nvidia driver?
[05:20] <pen> 177x?
[05:20] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, but the "embedded OS" and the "bios" probably reside on the same memory chip, and are coded by the same people.  So, maybe I'll be stuck with the term "Bios/Embedded OS"   kinda like GNU/Linux  :)
[05:21] <alteregoa> i don't know
[05:21] <alteregoa> 177 is geforce 7 and up'
[05:21] <alteregoa> i dunno
[05:21] <danbh_intrepid> Bios/EOS!
[05:22] <carusu_> RAOF: scuse me but how wise would it be to run apt-get dist-upgrade?
[05:22] <DaskreecH> danbh_intrepid: never seen that happen :)
[05:22] <pen> alteregoa, it's still not very useful isn't it? like the nvidia-settings are crap
[05:27] <ethana2> well, the next step for my script is gconf
[05:28]  * ethana2 starts reading stuff
[05:32] <seiya42> What is difference between using a daily build and installing the beta and updating the system?
[05:33] <calc> seiya42: should be roughly the same
[05:33] <calc> seiya42: except for any potential upgrade problems i suppose
[05:35] <seiya42> Should the beta work fine in VirtualBox?
[05:39] <DaskreecH> I can't get it to boot
[05:40] <DaskreecH> I think the new kernel breaks something in VirtualBox which is fixed but is ironically only in the Intreprid packages
[05:40] <pen> DaskreecH, now everything is in intrepid and you have to wait for a month to get it
[05:40] <pen> DaskreecH, so ironic
[05:41] <DaskreecH> At which point you don't need it that much anymore :)
[05:41] <ethana2> DaskreecH: this is going to sound random, but you wouldn't happen to know the syntax i should use with string key types in gconftool-2, would you?
[05:42] <ethana2> the string has "s in it, I don't have to put a \ in front of all of them or anything, do I?
[05:44] <ethana2> ethan@home:~$ gconftool-2 --set /apps/panel/applets/clock_screen0/prefs/cities --type string [<location name="Omaha" timezone="America/Chicago" latitude="41.310280" longitude="-95.899170" code="KOMA" current="true"/>]
[05:44] <ethana2> bash: location: No such file or directory
[05:45] <DaskreecH> ethana2: you need to escape <
[05:46] <ethana2> so precede it with a \ ?
[05:47]  * ethana2 tries
[05:47] <ethana2> Error setting value: Bad key or directory name: "name=Omaha": Must begin with a slash '/'
[05:48] <emet> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[05:49] <DaskreecH> ethana2: That doesn't make much sense :) but you should probably escape the > as well what's the / before it for?
[05:50] <ethana2> I copied the key out of gconf-editor..
[05:50] <ethana2> Its XML I guess
[05:51] <DaskreecH> Ah right
[05:52] <ethana2> What is the actual delimiter for strings with gconftool-2?
[05:52] <DaskreecH> ethana2: after string encase everything in ''
[05:52] <ethana2> does it need any?  /me tries without
[05:52] <ethana2> ah
[05:52] <ethana2> and all those quotes within the string itself, will they make it explode?
[05:52] <ethana2> should i precede them all with \s?
[05:53] <ethana2> oh, it threw no errors
[05:53] <DaskreecH> no
[05:54] <DaskreecH> the ' ' should make it all good
[05:56] <hwilde> what exactly does this mean:    NetworkManager 0.7 as included in Ubuntu 8.10 Beta is not compatible with static network configuration in /etc/network/interfaces
[05:58] <travisbickkle86> hwilde: look in /etc/network/interfaces.. If you have any static addresses configured that way it won't work. I'm assuming you'd have to disable network manager or delete the entries and reconfigure through network manager.
[05:59] <hwilde> well, how do you make static IPs then ?
[06:00] <travisbickkle86> hwilde: Lol I dunno I haven't tried it but I'm assuming it would still allow you to assign static ip's through network managers interface.
[06:00] <hwilde> what if I have no gui
[06:00] <ethana2> oh.  Their arrangement isn't stored in one key, it's an attribute of each individual panel applet
[06:01] <ethana2> wait, that makes it resolution dependent, I can't do that
[06:01] <travisbickkle86> hwilde: Have no idea...why would you be using network manager if you didn't have a gui in the first place?
[06:01] <hwilde> I am not I ahte that thing
[06:02] <hwilde> but if my static IPs stop working that could be catastrophe
[06:02] <travisbickkle86> hwilde:Run it in a vm first?
[06:11] <ethana2> DaskreecH: I'm running into behavior I think /might/ be a bug
[06:11] <ethana2> When I set the coordinate of an applet in the panel, it doesn't move the applet to the position
[06:12] <ethana2> it just sits there until you move the applet, at which point it sets the value to wherever the applet is at
[06:21] <ethana2> DaskreecH: are you alive?
[06:24] <Lofde_> anyone having issues with every reboot having to re-enter  your WEP or WPA key
[06:25] <ethana2> yes.
[06:25] <ethana2> every.  frigging.  time.
[06:25] <Lofde_> I found a fix
[06:25] <ethana2> oh?!
[06:25] <Lofde_> see my forum post
[06:25] <ethana2> at
[06:25] <Lofde_> i wanna see if someone else it works for them
[06:25] <Lofde_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=934575&page=2
[06:25] <Lofde_> please let me know if it does ethana2
[06:26] <ethana2> hmm
[06:26] <ethana2> well, it would require a reboot to tell
[06:26] <ethana2> i'm in the middle of some stuff....
[06:26] <Lofde_> yes thats true
[06:26] <Lofde_> no prob
[06:27] <Lofde_> :) u can apply it i guess and find out later ;)
[06:27] <ethana2> but i'm glad there's a fix
[06:27] <ethana2> i'll just wait for it to get into main
[06:27] <Lofde_> sounds good
[06:27] <Lofde_> i couldnt wait
[06:27] <Lofde_> haha thats why i started the poll..
[06:27] <Lofde_> i was dying without it :)
[06:30] <ethana2> gyarr, this is probably a bug i've found here....
[06:30] <ethana2> but i'm so new to this whole thing i can't say for sure
[06:30] <Lofde_> whats a bug
[06:31] <ethana2> i can't set panel applet positions with gconf
[06:31] <ethana2> it sets the value, but the panel ignores it
[06:31] <Lofde_> one sec
[06:35] <Lofde_> not sure ethana2  id report it if i was you or ask the forum sorry i dont know enough about what your doing :)
[06:35] <ethana2> is that 'one sec', don't talk to me while i go do something or
[06:35] <ethana2> oh
[06:35] <ethana2> ah
[06:35] <ethana2> i'm making my own ubuntu derivative
[06:35] <Lofde_> i was just searching launchpad to see if i could see anyone talking about it
[06:36] <ethana2> 'cause i'm tired of making the same 200 modifications to every install manually
[06:36] <ethana2> anyways, part of the thing i'm working on is a script that sets everything with gconf keys
[06:36] <Lofde_> nice ;) that sounds fun, i thought about downloading DSL, and since its only 50mb going through all the code and trying to make changes and improvements lol .. would be extremely customized .. i mean there cant be that much of code hah
[06:39] <Lofde_> sounds nice ethana2
[06:39] <DanaG> Oh heyas, what can I use a thin client for... besides as a thin-client ltsp client?
[06:39] <ethana2> Lofde_: here, let me see if I can get you to sympathize with me
[06:39] <Lofde_> i totally agree with you, when i had 8.04 installed i had all kinds of changes and setups, because it was the first time i really went back to linux since redhat 8/9 and fedora core 1... after that i kept using windows xp, (just because i guess)
[06:40] <ethana2> on my machine to install any package, I only have to type 'install $package'
[06:40] <DanaG> For example... can I use a thin-client as a PulseAudio endpoint?
[06:40] <ethana2> or to uninstall, 'uninstall $package'
[06:40] <ethana2> DanaG: sounds like an awesome speaker system to me
[06:40] <Lofde_> when i upgraded to 8.10 there was some issues doing it over the net so i cleaned the slate for 8.10 fresh install and im liking it a lot better, im now re-customizing everything again so i know how u feel :)
[06:41] <ethana2> Lofde_: have you typed up your own HIG?
[06:41] <Lofde_> HIG?
[06:41] <ethana2> human interface guidelines
[06:41] <Lofde_> no, i cant say i have
[06:42] <ethana2> oh.
[06:42] <ethana2> yeah..........
[06:42] <Lofde_> I like how you made changes to change apt-get install to install
[06:42] <ethana2> yeah, why complicate things?
[06:42] <Lofde_> its a nice change
[06:42] <ethana2> when i'm supporting my mom over the phone
[06:42] <ethana2> you think 'sudo apt-get' is going to go over well?
[06:42] <Lofde_> make sense
[06:42] <ethana2> pssh, no.
[06:42] <Lofde_> lmao
[06:42] <ethana2> english, man, english
[06:42] <Lofde_> I use a root terminal a lot.. so i hardly have to sudo stuff
[06:42] <ethana2> i also fix typos like 'wget' and 'umount'
[06:43]  * DanaG uses aptitude
[06:43]  * ethana2 never uses the root account
[06:43] <ethana2> DanaG: right, you can put whatever you want behind the 'install' alias
[06:43] <ethana2> aptitude, yast, yum....
[06:43] <DanaG> YaST? bleh.  Yum... sounds like what I say about food.
[06:44] <DanaG> =þ
[06:44] <ethana2> i'm just saying
[06:44] <Lofde_> i dont know why im partial to using it.. theres a setting in ubuntu that shows items on the menu and it remains unchecked but i cant help it i like using the root console.. im smart enough to know better tho.. (i wouldnt do something stupid in it.. i just hate auth. when i want to do something i know i can just do really fast and get out)
[06:44] <DanaG> What's next, "yuck"?
[06:44] <ethana2> we should use english instead of posix
[06:44] <ethana2> in addition to rather, but the end user shouldn't have to know unix commands to navigate the CLI
[06:45] <ethana2> what's the most user friendly shell out there?
[06:45] <ethana2> zsh?
[06:45] <Necrosan> bash
[06:45] <Necrosan> for sure
[06:45] <ethana2> Necrosan: really?
[06:45] <Lofde_> ethana2,  chmod +x file   (in english) permission read something.txt
[06:45] <Necrosan> definitely
[06:46] <DaskreecH> ethana2: No sorry left for  a while
[06:46] <ethana2> Lofde_: complex things like that confuse me
[06:46] <ethana2> i don't know how to hand--
[06:47] <ethana2> well, lojban, but..
[06:47] <ethana2> DaskreecH: should I file a bug?
[06:47] <Lofde_> i was reading in my ubuntu book ( a 7.04 book i picked up )and several books i have about linux and unix about shell scripting and its very customizable.. i wish i could say i am a console person, id say i do use it a lot, but i def love gui
[06:47] <ethana2> and if so, on gnome-panel?
[06:47] <ethana2> well i think the CLI is just a precursor to voice control
[06:47] <ethana2> that's its main destiny as i'm concerned
[06:48] <ethana2> but a phonetic shell would probably have to be quite distinct from the ones we have now
[06:48] <Lofde_> What i really wish i had was some laptop with a multi-touch screen, i was watching youtube videos and i really think ubuntu and linux need to jump on that Multi-X (multitouch x server)
[06:48] <ethana2> Lofde_: we're working on it
[06:50] <ethana2> blehh, i should go to bed i guess........
[06:50] <ethana2> i kind of wanted to get some gconf key setting lines into this .sh first though
[06:50]  * ethana2 scouts out something to alter
[06:50] <Lofde_> I really wish i knew a programming language in depth (c++) instead of knowing general stuff about several languages (ive taken java in college and know a lot written several things in perl and studied C and visual basic) but i would love to develop some cool apps for Multitouch
[06:55] <ethana2> gyarr, the problem with using the system theme on the top panel is that it puts a border on it
[06:55] <ethana2> so when you use it with maximus, it's distinct from the current window
[06:55] <ethana2> which detracts immensely from the elegance of the whole thing
[06:56] <ethana2> i'd hate for my script to be dependent on the human theme....
[06:56] <ethana2> actually, if i can query.........
[06:57] <td123> how would you even make a script be dependant on the human theme lol
[06:57] <alteregoa> how can i disable this automatic network configuration crap
[06:57] <ethana2> well see, i need to set the top panel to a solid color
[06:58] <ethana2> but it needs to match the window background color of the current theme
[06:58] <alteregoa> this crap doesn't work, i tried to enter another gateway but it still uses the old dhcp one
[06:58] <ethana2> SURPRISE!
[06:58] <dmh65> do I have to add a repo to get the restricted ati driver?
[06:58] <ethana2> dmh65: i don't think so...
[06:59] <Lofde_> alteregoa,  what do you mean automatic network configuration ?
[06:59] <ethana2> welcome to beta software
[06:59] <dmh65> it does not seem to work like hardy, hardy offers it to me when I login
[06:59] <ethana2> odd
[06:59] <dmh65> I looked in the hardware drivers, it searched but found nothing
[06:59] <ethana2> dmh65: go to system ....oh
[06:59] <ethana2> odd
[06:59] <ethana2> what gpu do you have?
[07:00] <alteregoa> i don't need this dhcp crap
[07:00] <dmh65> they are probably just holding it back for some reason
[07:00] <alteregoa> how can i get rid of that crap?
[07:00] <ethana2> 'stuff' would be preferred
[07:00] <dmh65> ati hd2400 pro
[07:00] <Lofde_> dmh65,  fglrx-amdcccle ?
[07:00] <ethana2> hmm
[07:00]  * ethana2 is tired
[07:00] <Lofde_> alteregoa,  are you using network-manager ?
[07:00] <Lofde_> in gnome
[07:01] <Lofde_> ethana2,  go to sleep gconf can wait ;)
[07:01] <Lofde_> it will be there when you wake up
[07:01] <dmh65> my resolution with the opensource driver is fine, it just will not utilise the 3d which is to be expected
[07:01] <dmh65> I expect it will be made available soon though
[07:02] <ethana2> Lofde_: ....I suppose.......
[07:02] <Lofde_> dmh65,  i have a forum post i want u to see
[07:02] <Lofde_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936634
[07:02] <dmh65> btw, that startup sound is well boring :)
[07:03] <dmh65> ok, will look
[07:03] <Madpilot> Interesting - Intrepid LiveCD can't mount HDD partitions that're set up as LVM... means no access to my actual /home while playing with LiveCD...
[07:04] <alteregoa> someone fix this crap with the network
[07:04] <alteregoa> it doesn't work to set up a static adress
[07:04] <dmh65> Lofde_: catalyst is not the driver though
[07:05] <dmh65> its a options suite
[07:05] <td123> wine needs better support... there would be sooo much less ppl dualbooting if wine just worked, although I'm dreaming :D
[07:05] <ethana2> td123: I don't dual boot.
[07:05] <dmh65> wine should be called why
[07:05] <td123> ethana2: I didn't say you were...
[07:05] <dmh65> this is linux :)
[07:05] <ethana2> and i use windows installers whenever they're handier
[07:05] <ethana2> like with wolfenstein
[07:06] <ethana2> their linux thing was some script, i was all 'screw that, i'll just use the .exe'
[07:06] <raddy> Would Interpid contain new innovative artwork?
[07:06] <ethana2> not a single problem
[07:06] <td123> ethana2: well your lucky, lots of windows programs (popular) still don't work under wine
[07:06] <ethana2> hopefully we'll get native directX soon
[07:06] <ethana2> gallium
[07:06] <ethana2> that should make things a lot better
[07:06] <td123> ethana2: I want to run the programs I want first, then games :D
[07:07] <cypherdelic> Beta is fine here :) Only my TV-Stick doesnt work with 2.6.27
[07:07] <ethana2> td123: when the wine project doesn't have to worry about direct3d, they'll make more progress on win*
[07:07] <td123> cypherdelic: the vm is looking good also
[07:07] <td123> ethana2: is that a fact?
[07:07] <ethana2> i think so
[07:07] <ethana2> ...which means it's an opinion
[07:07] <td123> ethana2: dang, Its bad news for me then
[07:07] <td123> oh
[07:08] <ethana2> ..you have microsoft stock?
[07:08] <td123> ethana2: ?
[07:09] <td123> what do you mean stock
[07:09] <ethana2> well, awakeness has gotten boring, i'm going to go for some complete paralysis and vivid, nonsensical hallucinations
[07:09] <ethana2> oh, nevermind
[07:09]  * ethana2 goes to bed
[07:09] <raddy> Would Interpid contain new innovative artwork?
[07:09] <td123> ethana2: go to sleep, that's right >:)
[07:09] <cypherdelic> 8 am in the morning .... 8 am in germany
[07:09] <cypherdelic> good night ;)
[07:09] <dmh65> nite
[07:10] <td123> 1:09AM in central(us) time :P
[07:10] <dmh65> is ethana2 a girl?
[07:10] <ethana2> whoa holy crap
[07:10] <dmh65> haha
[07:10] <ethana2> window backgrounds are translucent
[07:10] <alteregoa> ridicoulus network applet
[07:10] <ethana2> what?
[07:10] <alteregoa> what a crap
[07:10] <dmh65> I always put my foot in it
[07:11] <cypherdelic> can we call 10.10 Mad Monkey?????
[07:11] <dmh65> why do I think that polite helpful people are females lol
[07:11] <td123> dmh65: because they are...
[07:11] <ethana2> hey.
[07:11] <dmh65> yeah
[07:11] <ethana2> i'm just.....
[07:11] <ethana2> androgynous
[07:11] <ethana2> a bit
[07:11] <DanaG> HP has a multi-touch all-in-one desktop thingy.
[07:12]  * dmh65 puts a sock in it
[07:12] <ethana2> yeah..  i'll leave the channel so i don't keep getting distracted on my way to bed
[07:12] <td123> females tend to use their vocabulary skills in times of discomfort :D
[07:12] <dmh65> phew
[07:12] <td123> DanaG: proprietary all the way
[07:13] <DanaG> Actually, it shows up as multiple HID devices, I believe.
[07:13] <DanaG> I'm not entirely sure, though.
[07:13] <dmh65> I have no problems using drivers offered by manufacturers
[07:13] <dmh65> makes sense if you ask me
[07:14]  * dmh65 goes for breakfast
[07:14] <DanaG> Thu Oct  2 23:14:18 PDT 2008
[07:14] <DanaG> no breakfast here.  =þ
[07:14] <dmh65> just toast and coffee
[07:16] <dmh65> cyphherdelic: why not mad masturbating monkey :)
[07:16] <dmh65> sorry
[07:16] <raddy> Hello Everybody Would Interpid Ibex contain new innovative artwork?
[07:17] <dmh65> doest look like at the moment
[07:17] <raddy> dmh65
[07:17]  * DanaG goes off to bed, and sets status to "S£33Þing." -- yay, Unicode
[07:17] <DanaG> .
[07:17] <raddy> dmh65 : Ohh no
[07:18] <dmh65> what
[07:18] <dmh65> Ibex looks the same pooey brown to me
[07:18] <raddy> dmh65 : No new artwork this time too :(
[07:18] <dmh65> maybe they will?
[07:18] <dmh65> first snowfall here today
[07:19] <dmh65> about @ 800 meters I would say
[07:19] <dmh65> French Pyrenees
[07:20] <dmh65> right, breakfast
[07:20] <raddy> dmh65 there was an innvovative design shown  in the Ubuntu issue tracking system.
[07:38] <cypherdelic> dmh65: that mast. monkey is cool either :)
[07:38] <Lofde_> how do we install win32codecs and libdvdcss ?
[07:38] <Lofde_> i tried sudo apt-get install win32codecs
[07:38] <Lofde_> and it didnt work
[07:39] <Hobbsee> !codecs
[07:40] <Lofde_> so if i live in a country where its legal to have win32codecs and libdvdcss there is not a easy 1 package install?
[07:41] <Hobbsee> don't think so
[07:42] <Hobbsee> although various places have separate packages around
[07:44] <Lofde_> i am a little offended heh
[07:47] <espacious> which ndiswrapper was in 7.10
[07:51] <Lofde_> im not sure
[07:51] <Lofde_> are you having the FLASH: npviewer.bin crashing  bug?
[07:53] <Hobbsee> espacious: how is that *possibly* relevant for here?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> espacious: and why do you feel the need to cross-post?
[07:54] <espacious> cros post?
[07:54] <Hobbsee> espacious: here and #ubuntu-desktop, at the same time
[07:55] <espacious> sorry. just wanted to ask as may ppl
[07:55] <espacious> many*
[07:55] <espacious> sorry
[07:56] <frybye> who has upgraded to kubuntu8.01??
[07:57] <Hobbsee> frybye: no one.  It doesn't exist.
[07:57] <bugabundo_work> lol Hobbsee
[07:57] <frybye> the beta I mean... out yesterday or???
[07:57] <frybye> sorry.. my mistake...
[07:57] <bugabundo_work> frybye: plus this is a channel for 8.10
[07:58] <Hobbsee> frybye: fairly sure a whole people have instaleld it, or upgraded to get to it.
[07:58] <frybye> me wrong again - i mean 8.10beta
[07:58] <bugabundo_work> why are you so interessed?
[07:58] <bugabundo_work> have you found any trouble?
[07:59] <Lofde_> frybye,  the kubuntu 8.10 is nice.. i perfer the ubuntu tho i like gnome
[08:00] <frybye> I am just in the process of doing the distro-update on other pc right now... just wanted to hear how other folks had got on with it...
[08:01] <frybye> I tend to tweek around quite a lot with my pc's - so an update can leave one with a lota stuff that needs customizing afterwards I guess...
[08:03] <frybye> up till  now I have had kubuntu with kde3+ and kde4.1 - and another partition with opensuse11 (for work-) and hope the upgrade does not cause too much problem.. dont have a load of background knowledge when things go wrong...
[08:03] <bugabundo_work> frybye: just remember to do backups, okay?
[08:03] <frybye> Lofde_: you just installed the beta??
[08:04] <frybye> bug - too late.. ;=(
[08:04] <frybye> I have an old backup if it comes too it - but did not do one just before starting this upgrade.. hang on the other pc is calling me heheh
[08:05] <Lofde_> frank23,  yes
[08:05] <Lofde_> frybye,  yes
[08:05] <bugabundo_work> this people are crazy
[08:05] <bugabundo_work> they change OSs without backups...
[08:05] <Lofde_> frybye,  i would recommend doing a fresh install of the ISO not doing the upgrade from the internet
[08:05] <bugabundo_work> and then complain when something goes wrong
[08:06] <Lofde_> I think you might as well be wasting your time, unfortunately
[08:06] <bugabundo_work> Lofde_: doing a upgrade is okay
[08:06] <Lofde_> heh
[08:06] <bugabundo_work> it helps test out the system
[08:06] <bugabundo_work> and report bugs for the RC
[08:06] <Lofde_> well you can try to do the upgrade
[08:06] <bugabundo_work> if it fails, he can always try a fresh install
[08:06] <Lofde_> i mean why not try, but if you have a lot of packages instatlled they might not roll forward
[08:06] <Lofde_> yea i agree
[08:06] <frybye> right bugabundo_work
[08:06] <Lofde_> you can always try
[08:06] <Lofde_> and of course i did try
[08:07] <Lofde_> but in the end i had to reinstall off live cd
[08:07] <Lofde_> it was crazy, lost gnome all together
[08:07] <frybye> now it is on about manually restarting services in the pam libraries.. but has listed none that need manaual restart...
[08:07] <Lofde_> and then there was a bug that prevented gnome from being installed
[08:07] <Lofde_> it was a nightmare
[08:07] <frybye> Lofde_: - thanks for the encouraging"" words hehehe
[08:08] <Lofde_> frybye,  haha i mean try it.. if you like. .all i can say is 1.backup 2. burn a live cd iso just in case 3. try the internet update 4. reinstall if needed
[08:08]  * bugabundo_work looks side ways!=!
[08:08] <Lofde_> I had problems, that doesnt mean you will.. it could work flawlessly for you
[08:08] <bugabundo_work> no need to burn media
[08:08] <bugabundo_work> use usb-creator
[08:08] <bugabundo_work> to run it of a Pendrive
[08:09] <Lofde_> i think my issue was with 8.04 i downloaded EVER and ALL package i thought  was "cool" i had so much crap installed half of which i never used
[08:09] <bugabundo_work> ehehe Lofde_
[08:09] <bugabundo_work> we all been there
[08:09] <Lofde_> bugabundo_work,  if someone has such, sure good option i like keeping the cds, i put them in my collection heh
[08:09] <bugabundo_work> but it is important to remove some none standard packages
[08:09] <bugabundo_work> before upgrade
[08:09] <Lofde_> yea i didnt at all.. went right on forward
[08:10] <bugabundo_work> like drivers, PPAs, other repositories
[08:10] <bugabundo_work> etc
[08:10] <frybye> bugabundo_work: hmmm - nice to read now that the upgrade is running .. doooh....
[08:10] <Lofde_> sorta glad i reinstalled.. cleaned up a lot of stuff nice clean crisp new installation now
[08:10] <bugabundo_work> we have an entire wall at LinuxKafe with old CDs
[08:10] <frybye> Lofde_: that is the other side of same problem...
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> frybye: there are lots of docs around helping you out BEFORE and upgrade
[08:11] <frybye> bugabundo_work: perhaps you can find a way to re-use them - as building material or similar... hehhe
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> but I guess update-manager should hint users to some wiki
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> or local help doc BEFORE running
[08:11] <frybye> bugabundo_work: yeah - smart people do it that way I guess... ;=(
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> frybye: its already at use!
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> its a Ubuntu wall
[08:11] <frybye> cool....
[08:11] <bugabundo_work> let me see if I find some pics of it
[08:12] <Lofde_> frybye,  i have been loving the 8.10 install since i did it a few weeks ago
[08:12] <frybye> here in the appt it is getting a bit that way...
[08:12] <frybye> Lofde_: well now it is the beta and not an alpha any more so perhaps I will get lucky with the upgrade...
[08:14] <bugabundo_work> I don't even know how it is
[08:14] <bugabundo_work> been using ibex, even before alpha1 come out
[08:15] <Lofde_> frybye,  the beta is really great!
[08:16] <frybye> Lofde_: now your talking heheeh
[08:17] <frybye> the next step will be to go for the gnome intrepid on my eeepc/701 here.. but there I am a bit carefull cos of all the effort in tweeks etc that has gone inot 8.04 to get it working here...
[08:18] <Hobbsee> frybye: hopefully, that'll be easier, as it's a newer kernel and such
[08:19] <Lofde_> i love my icons haha i went to something called icons-something.com a lot of free ones some really cool 256x256 png ones, that were so neat, and i replaced the unfamiliar  linux icons with something more familiar like pidgin i replaced with AIM icon hah, (really wanted to find a yahoo but couldnt) and Abiword (replaced with the MAC MS word 08 icon) lol VLC (wmp11 icon) aduacious (winamp icon) Transmission (bitcomit icon) aMSN
[08:19] <Lofde_>  (msn icon) lol list goes on!
[08:19] <frybye> right - and in that case I really will be checking on stuff before I start an upgrade if at all - prolly a fresh install...
[08:20] <frybye> anyhow folks - I will catch you back in here in a bit - bye for now - nice talking with you...
[08:20] <bugabundo_work> do you guys know if tseliot comes around often? Hobbsee?
[08:20] <Hobbsee> [17:20] [Notice] -NickServ- Last seen  : Oct 02 22:49:50 2008 (8 hours, 30 minutes, 50 seconds ago)
[08:20] <bugabundo_work> https://edge.launchpad.net/~lrm-intrepid/+archive aint building!
[08:21] <Hobbsee> which isn't?
[08:21] <bugabundo_work>           nvidia-common - 0.1-0ubuntu3
[08:21] <bugabundo_work> for hardy
[08:22] <bugabundo_work> I gues I'll email him
[08:22] <bugabundo_work> not sure a bug on LP will do any good
[08:22] <Hobbsee> he'll probably be on irc in another few hours
[08:22] <Hobbsee> hm, not sure how he ever expected that to build.
[08:22] <bugabundo_work> lol
[08:22] <bugabundo_work> why?
[08:23] <Hobbsee> it's requiring python2.4 for some reason, and also doesn't bring in lsb-release.
[08:23] <Hobbsee> hm...which should be there.
[08:23] <bugabundo_work> ok
[08:24] <bugabundo_work> then it's a bug
[08:24]  * bugabundo_work heads up to LP 
[08:24] <Hobbsee> sure, but it's not an ubuntu bug, so you shouldn't file it against an ubuntu package.
[08:24] <bugabundo_work> can I use PPA bug?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> PPAs don't let you report bugs against them.
[08:25] <Hobbsee> just like you can't report bugs against people
[08:25] <bugabundo_work> bah
[08:25] <bugabundo_work> yeah, I reported that bug!
[08:25] <bugabundo_work> lol
[08:25] <bugabundo_work> and against tems
[08:25] <bugabundo_work> *teams
[08:27] <Lofde_> on the ubuntu forum how can i view the "thanks" i have received ?
[08:27] <Hobbsee> Lofde_: #ubuntuforums
[08:29] <maco> anyone using intrepid in kvm?
[08:30] <Blinkiz> maco, yes
[08:30] <maco> Blinkiz: on top of hardy, by chance?
[08:30] <maco> did you use ubuntu-vm-builder?
[08:30] <Blinkiz> maco, No, I have intrepid 64 bit as host
[08:31] <bugabundo_work> Hobbsee: how should I report it then? no bugs on PPA, not a package of official ubuntu reps
[08:31] <Blinkiz> maco, I have used uvb, but it does not support installing onto lv's (lvm) so I haven't used it in a while
[08:31] <maco> oh. i'm trying to figure out how to get intrepid in a vm on top of hardy since hardy's just too nice to give up :P
[08:32] <Blinkiz> maco, You having problem with this? It shouldn't be any problem.. I think...
[08:32] <Blinkiz> maco, You can ask these questions in #ubuntu-virt.
[08:32] <maco> ah didnt know there was a channel for it
[08:32] <Blinkiz> maco, :)
[08:33] <maco> and yes, it seems the only way is to have u-v-b install a hardy one then do a dist-upgrade
[08:33] <Blinkiz> maco, I believe uvb in intrepid (vm-builder) is supporting intrepid. The one in hardy is not
[08:34] <maco> that's silly
[08:34] <maco> makes it a bit hard to safely test
[08:40] <frybye> re:
[08:40] <frybye> upgrade did not work.. cos of the opensuse121- dominated system probably...
[08:40] <Hobbsee> bugabundo_work: email, or poke the guy when he comes on irc?
[08:41] <frybye> osuse11 i mean..
[08:41] <Hobbsee> bugabundo_work: otoh, he would have already got a mail about that.
[08:41] <frybye> am now d-loading the 8.10beta iso and will make a clean sweap on that pc...
[08:42] <frybye> -hmm and i had been wondering how to amuse myself on todays national holiday.. heheh
[08:50] <bugabundo_work> frybye: no need to download it all
[08:50] <bugabundo_work> just use rsync
[08:50] <bugabundo_work> to download the missing parts
[08:54] <mrtimdog> I've just realised that some of the gnome control centre dialogs are non-resizable (About Me, Sessions, AT, Preferred Apps, Windows, etc.). How do I make these resizable again as I can't see some of the contained text, at least in the sessions dialog? Is this a bug?
[08:57] <mnemoc> hi, there is any tool to generate an accurate xorg.conf based on Xorg logs?
[09:02] <Hew> mnemoc: 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg' may be what you're looking for, but I don't think it works off logs. xorg 7.4 in Intrepid no longer requires a xorg.conf anyway.
[09:07] <mnemoc> Hew: it produce a useless almost empty xorg.conf... I have to run xrandr -s 0 manually every time I log it
[09:07] <mnemoc> in
[09:08] <Hew> mnemoc: xorg 7.4 does not require xorg.conf. Try removing it. Does it work?
[09:08] <mnemoc> I get a deform 1024x768
[09:09] <mnemoc> even if 1280x800 is marked as preferrred when running `xrandr`
[09:09] <mnemoc> I have tried to set 1280x800 in xorg.conf, but Intrepid ignores it and insist in using 1024x768
[09:10] <Hew> mnemoc: Ah ok. I'm not really sure how to fix that. A dodgy fix could be to put that command in sessions so that it gets run automatically on startup? There may be an existing bug on this issue, or maybe one needs to be reported.
[09:11] <mnemoc> in 1024x768 everything is blurry as hell
[09:12] <mnemoc> I get lost in lauchpad :\
[09:12] <RAOF> mnemoc: Does 1280x800 appear in System->Preferences->Screen Resolution?
[09:14] <mnemoc> Xfce here. Xfce's configuration manager (wrong translation probably) -> display   doesn't show it
[09:15] <RAOF> Aaaah.  In GNOME, gnome-settings-daemon would be setting your preferred resolution on startup.  I don't know about xfce.
[09:15] <mnemoc> intrepid radeon 1280x800   gives no issues in lauchpad
[09:16] <mnemoc> RAOF: so it's the job of the DE and not Xorg itself?
[09:16] <RAOF> mnemoc: Indeed.  The slogan is "Policy separate from mechanism".
[09:17] <RAOF> Xorg can't really know what resolution you like; it merely provides your DE (which _can_ know what resolution/dual head settings/etc you like) the ability to set the right thing.
[09:19] <RAOF> It's probably possible to set your preferred resolution in xorg.conf, though.
[09:20] <RAOF> !xrandr
[09:20] <mnemoc> RAOF: Xorg knows which resolution is "preferred", but i'll bug #xubuntu
[09:20] <RAOF> Might have the relevant information.
[09:20] <x1250> when accesing my phone via bluetooth I try to copy a file but it says: "file not found". Nautilus shows in permissions column "unknown". I can access all directories in the phone, but I can't open or copy any files. Why would this be?
[09:20] <mnemoc> RAOF: it is marked as preferred, but it's ignored
[09:20] <mnemoc> `xrandr` shows 1280x800 marked as preferred
[09:21] <mnemoc> and 1024x768 as current when I login
[09:21] <RAOF> What does xdm run in?
[09:21] <RAOF> IE: Before you log in, what is the resolution?
[09:23] <mnemoc> RAOF: it looks good (but with the wrong keyboard layout)... maybe 1280x800... how can I know?
[09:23] <RAOF> Your monitor might report the resolution it's being driven at?  My LCD has an "info" button, for example.
[09:24] <RAOF> But it sounds like xfce is deliberately setting 1024x768 as the mode once you log in.
[09:25] <mnemoc> yes
[09:26] <mnemoc> just tried all the fn+ buttons of the laptop, none gives info :-\
[09:27] <mnemoc> I'll try to research from the Xfce front
[09:28] <dmh65> doesnt seem to be a big difference in Ibex from Hardy or is it me
[09:47] <x1250> anybody else having no sound in pidgin? Strange thing is that the preview option in preferences->sound works ok, but when in a conversation I have no sound, and yes, I have tripled check preferences, everything is as it should.
[09:54] <Lofde_> I love leaving my footprint on the web :) Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.0.3) Gecko/2008092515 Ubuntu/8.10 (intrepid) Firefox/3.0.1
[09:58] <x1250> oh man, the intrepid's wallpaper is a real bad joke :/
[10:01] <mnemoc> xubuntu's is nice :)
[10:26] <damhyojung> hey all
[10:27] <ratpoison> hello! do the open source ati drivers offer 3d support? (model ati x1950)
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> not yet AFAIK ratpoison
[10:29] <damhyojung> hey,guys,where r u from
[10:30] <ratpoison> and will the new fglrx drivers be made available, if they come out and include support for xorg 7.4 / xserver 7.5 ?
[10:32]  * maxb_ wonders if anyone knows if the oss ati drivers can play DVDs with reasonable performance
[10:33] <maxb_> In Hardy I had to go to fglrx to get that - so I'm reluctant to upgrade losing fglrx on my home machine
[10:36] <sjanssen> while doing a dist-upgrade, NetworkManager apparently became unresponsive taking down eth0.  Is this a bug?
[10:38] <bugabundo_work> sjanssen: are you upgrading from hardy to ibex?
[10:38] <sjanssen> bugabundo_work: I upgraded 24 hours ago and was just pulling the changes since then
[10:38] <sjanssen> NetworkManager[6045]: segfault at 30 ip 00007f8d34a119e0 sp 00007fff3db052c0 error 4 in libdbus-1.so.3.4.0[7f8d349f6000+3c000]
[10:38] <sjanssen> from /var/log/messages
[10:39] <bugabundo_work> sjanssen: does are strange
[10:39] <bugabundo_work> please use update-manager instead of dist-upgrade
[10:39] <sjanssen> why?
[10:39] <bugabundo_work> its remomend, because it won't do parcial instals
[10:40] <bugabundo_work> and will wait for depencies to be built
[10:40] <bugabundo_work> about your logs, I guess you can put them on LP and then ping asac to take a look
[10:44] <dmh65> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[10:44] <dmh65> not sure why people do not seem to know that on here?
[10:44] <dmh65> now I can rest in peace :)
[10:46] <dmh65> can someone add that above txt to !ati
[10:46] <dmh65> !ati
[10:47] <dmh65> and !nvidia I suppose but the latter is not important lol
[10:48] <stdin> dmh65: edit the wiki instead
[10:49] <dmh65> for Ibex?
[10:49] <stdin> it's all one wiki
[10:49] <stdin> just make a note on the relevant pages
[10:50] <dmh65> I would think that everyone who installs Ibex will come here wondering why no drivers are available and will type !ati or !nvidia I suppose
[10:50] <stdin> and be sent to the documentation page, so they'll get there in the end ;)
[10:50] <fat_rat> anyone tried intrepid on eee?
[10:50] <dmh65> any idea exactly where in the wiki?
[10:51] <dmh65> dont think I am a member either
[10:51] <stdin> all you need is a Launchpad account
[10:51] <dmh65> ah
[10:52] <stdin> just add a note to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/Nvidia and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI pages
[10:52] <stdin> probably under the "troubleshooting" sections
[10:52] <dmh65> thays what I mean, its not an obvious thing shouting at you
[10:53] <dmh65> I will stay here for a few hours and I bet loads of people ask, hey, no drivers offered to me, I asked last night and no one pointed me to that fact
[10:54] <dmh65> no that I know I am content to wait :)
[10:54] <frybye>  using kubuntu 8.10beta - wont let me install the proprietary drivers for the nvidia grafic card?? says prop. drivers not used on this system??
[10:55] <dmh65> I think a lot of ubuntu users are not aware that Ibex is available for download either, I only found out yesterday by chance
[10:55] <frybye> pse note - there is no #kubuntu+1 - so that is why I land here...
[10:55] <dmh65> frybye: there are no drivers for the new xorg
[10:55] <frybye> dmh65: do you know how to get it to install the nvidia drivers..
[10:55] <dmh65> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[10:56] <frybye> i c
[10:56] <frybye> dosent seem to work to bad anyhow... good...
[10:56] <dmh65> perfect example stdin :)
[10:56] <dmh65> yes the opensource drivers are quite good
[10:56] <dmh65> but no 3d
[10:56] <frybye> another ? - can somebody point me to a list of addition usefull stuff - restricted metapackages etc for 8.1
[10:57] <frybye> of give me some tips for looking with adept?? here...
[10:57] <dmh65> I am keeping my ibex as standard as I can
[10:57] <frybye> dmh65: when do you think 3d support will be avail...?
[10:58] <dmh65> no idea
[10:58] <frybye> or are there developer packages that work now??
[10:58] <stdin> dmh65: fglrx, nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-legacy?
[10:58] <dmh65> fglrx is what I need
[10:58] <stdin> I mean are those the affected packages?
[10:59] <dmh65> not sure
[10:59] <dmh65> I would think so
[10:59] <dmh65> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[10:59] <dmh65> the above txt I got from the link in the topic
[10:59] <dmh65> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[11:00] <stdin> so I'm guessing that means that nvidia-glx-new is the one not effected
[11:00] <amon_> hi guys
[11:00] <stdin> as there are three nvidia packages in ubuntu
[11:00] <regital> i jsut upgraded from kubuntu 8.04 to 8.10, and been having trouble to start the dang thing
[11:01] <dmh65> I think if any driver is supported with the new xorg it will just work and the user will be offered it
[11:01] <dmh65> maybe ubuntu need to tell us which are supported
[11:01] <regital> grub load fine, and after ´Starting up....´ it just freezes with a black screen
[11:01] <frybye> anybody got a url for good additional stuff to add to intreped.. mplayer - vlc etc.. ???
[11:01] <regital> and recovery gives Kernel panic
[11:01] <frybye> a list of what works for example???
[11:02] <dmh65> regital: maybe your screen rez is too high, do you get an error
[11:02] <regital> dmh65: no i dont get anything
[11:02] <schmidtm> stdin, the nvidia drivers have been restructered, there are noe nvidia-glx-71, -96, -173 and -177
[11:02] <stdin> ahh well, I'll just make it generic
[11:02] <regital> and when i press any key on the keyboard the Num lock light flashesh, if that makes any difference
[11:02] <stdin> !nvidia
[11:02] <RAOF> stdin: Actually, there are 4 nvidia drivers in intrepid.  nvidia dropped support for _another_ class of hardware :(
[11:02] <vistakiller> regital try to boot with older kernel
[11:03] <vistakiller> have you try?
[11:03] <stdin> dmh65: ^ better ?
[11:03] <dmh65> haha
[11:03] <regital> vistakiller: i dont have any anymore for some reason
[11:03] <stdin> schmidtm, RAOF: yet another reason I'm happy with intel
[11:03] <dmh65> they have altered it
[11:03] <dmh65> !ati
[11:03] <vistakiller> you must because you have upgrade the system
[11:03] <stdin> who's this "they" ?
[11:03] <vistakiller> you have dual boot?
[11:03] <dmh65> someone here I expect with the clout
[11:04] <stdin> yes, me :p
[11:04] <dmh65> lol
[11:04] <regital> vistakiller: theres 7 Ubuntu intrepids in the list
[11:04] <dmh65> cool
[11:04] <frybye> anybody got the source address for medibuntu??
[11:04] <vistakiller> ok try to boot with older kernel
[11:04] <vistakiller> take a look to the numbers
[11:04] <stdin> frybye: it's the same as the normal line, but with "deb-src" instead of "deb"
[11:04] <frybye> and will the compatability thing in snyaptic - adept work with intreped if i add medibuntu??
[11:04] <amon_> can somebody tell me if it is a problem when i have backports installed and want to upgrade
[11:05] <vistakiller> try to boot with 2.6.24 kernel
[11:05] <frybye> stdin: i am a bit lost there - eh...?
[11:05] <vistakiller> you will find it in grub
[11:05] <regital> vistakiller: didnt think of that
[11:05] <vistakiller> i think
[11:05] <vistakiller> all the kernel and the old
[11:05] <stdin> frybye: what do you mean by "source address" ?
[11:06] <vistakiller> after the upgrade it say ubuntu intrepid
[11:06] <regital> Vistakiller: yea i found it
[11:06] <frybye> i am using the german os - the quelle for the packages in snyaptic or adept?
[11:06] <vistakiller> boot there
[11:06] <frybye> quelle = source...?
[11:06] <regital> vistakiller: after the splash theres some mounting options i think they are
[11:07] <vistakiller> what options?
[11:07] <stdin> then edit /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list and uncomment the last line
[11:07] <amon_> yes frybye
[11:07] <stdin> frybye: ^
[11:07] <amon_>  quelle = source
[11:07] <dmh65> quelle heur, C'est midi :)
[11:07] <regital> vistakiller: thanks for the help but i gotta go
[11:07] <vistakiller> ok
[11:07] <regital> really appreciate it
[11:08] <frybye> can I install + use gedit in kubuntu8.1???
[11:08] <dmh65> I would think so, but will bring some gnome with it
[11:09] <frybye> what is the kde equiv of gedeit??
[11:09] <dmh65> kate
[11:09] <dmh65> I think
[11:09] <frybye> ok - thanks...
[11:09] <dmh65> xfce has mousepad :)
[11:09] <dmh65> nano is a good one as well
[11:11] <frybye> looks like I have to start kate as sudo or...???
[11:11] <dmh65> to edit system stuff yes
[11:11] <frybye> or better kdsudo or...?
[11:11] <stdin> kdesudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list.d/medibuntu.list
[11:11] <dmh65> su works as well I think
[11:11] <frybye> thanks pal you are a star...;=)
[11:12] <stdin> su won't work with a GUI, and you never use sudo with a GUI
[11:12] <dmh65> ah
[11:12] <frybye> it still complains that I dont have the privalages to edit medibuntu.list
[11:12] <bugabundo_work1> frybye: sudo it
[11:13] <stdin> you sure you ran it with kdesudo
[11:13] <stdin> and *NOT* sudo
[11:13] <stdin> not unless you want the GUI app to write config files to *your* $HOME that *you* can't edit
[11:13] <Tim183> anyone want to help with getting this infuriating ar5007eg atheros card to work?
[11:13] <frybye> i fear it was already running.. hang on...
[11:13] <uffo> hello, i try to launch 8.10 beta on esprimo mobile v5535 but it shows ubuntu is running in low graphics mode, how i can force load desktop in low graphics mode
[11:13] <dmh65> why I like su root
[11:14] <stdin> dmh65: I use "sudo -i" or "sudo -s" myself :)
[11:14] <dmh65> I use sudo with gedit?
[11:14] <stdin> that way I don't open the root account to ssh attack
[11:14] <dmh65> on my desktop
[11:15] <frybye> hmm.. I am lost now...
[11:15] <dmh65> my server is debian
[11:15] <stdin> debian has a sudo package too
[11:15] <dmh65> not installed though I think
[11:15] <stdin> I don't think by default, no. but I haven't installed a debian server in a while
[11:15] <dmh65> I ssh in as root and I am a happy man
[11:16] <frybye> if i install gedit - then I can run that with plain ole sudo or...?
[11:16] <stdin> no
[11:16] <stdin> use gksudo or kdesudo for GUI apps, they make sure not to mess things up
[11:16] <bugabundo_work1> on debian
[11:16] <bugabundo_work1> via ssh you won't open gedit
[11:16] <dmh65> sure, just my desktop, I use nano on the server
[11:17] <bugabundo_work1> I use sudo gedit all the time! as always worked fine for me
[11:17] <stdin> if you want a non-sudo way and have ssh, you could "ssh -Y user@host app" ;)
[11:17] <frybye> stdin: I understand the theory.. but that with kdesudo and the command above it does not let me edit the list...
[11:17] <dmh65> me too
[11:17] <frybye> says I dont have the privalages..
[11:17] <bugabundo_work1> I remember feisty days where a bug mess things and GKSU was important
[11:17] <frybye> it also did not ask for my pw...
[11:17] <dmh65> check your syntax :)
[11:17] <bugabundo_work1> TODAY I think it works behind the scenes to do the same thing
[11:17] <stdin> frybye: try running "kdesudo kwrite" and opening the file
[11:18] <frybye> command not found...
[11:18] <dmh65> sometimes it wont ask for a pw if you entered it just before doing something else in the same shell
[11:18] <uffo> anyone knows how to force load desktop?
[11:19] <dmh65> at least with me it has in the past
[11:19] <frybye> kdesudo kate no good???
[11:19] <dmh65> frybye install gedit and sudo the darn thing :)
[11:19] <bugabundo_work1> uffo: from a TTY: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[11:20] <stdin> fine, but dmh65 can fix your config files after :)
[11:20] <frybye> dmh65: yeah that might be it .. heheh
[11:21] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: how i can get to terminal when in low graphics mode and do this continues to forcly to load desktop
[11:22] <dmh65> stdin: so what happens when you sudo a gui, I have always done it when sorting numlockx file for Hardy, never a problem that I was aware of
[11:23] <bugabundo_work1> uffo: didn't get that! please try to explain again
[11:23] <dmh65> alt f2 and type exterm
[11:24] <dmh65> or whatever
[11:24] <dmh65> uffo: do the above
[11:25] <stdin> dmh65: it's not so much a problem when it's an app you always run as root (like a package manager). but for others, like a text editor, it is. the app will write write to config files in $HOME, and sudo does not reset $HOME by default. so root writes to your conf files
[11:25] <stdin> and if you haven't ran the app before, the conf files are created as (owned by) root
[11:25] <dmh65> stdin: infact the official howto tells you to sudo gedit?
[11:25] <stdin> I *did* edit the wiki once
[11:25] <dmh65> ah
[11:25] <frybye> now we have it - there is nothing in sources.list.d
[11:25] <dmh65> only time I use gedit is as root :)
[11:25] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: i have esprimo v5535 and i try beta livecd (bug was on alpha6 too) but when ubuntu wants start then it shows ubuntu is running in low graphics mode and there is no option to force load default vesa driver
[11:25] <frybye> no medibuntu.list - no nuttin
[11:26] <stdin> dmh65: which howto says to use sudo ?
[11:27] <dmh65> sure for fixing the numberslock fault in Hardy, hangon I will find the page if I can
[11:28] <bugabundo_work1> ahh uffo
[11:28] <bugabundo_work1> what video card do you have?
[11:29] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: i do not know how i can get terminal when that message is front
[11:29] <Tim183> wasnt the atheros issue supposed to be fixed before this release???????????
[11:30] <bugabundo_work1> uffo: control+alt+F2
[11:30] <dmh65> stdin: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/numlockx/+bug/218202
[11:31] <dmh65> ....sudo gedit /etc/gdm/Init/Default
[11:31] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: i try now, btw that safe graphics mode will end with same message
[11:32] <stdin> dmh65: that's not an official howto, that's some random person subscribed to a bug report
[11:32] <dmh65> ah, works though, the original was on the ubuntu forum but got removed I think
[11:33] <stdin> the forum isn't "official" either ;)
[11:33] <stdin> help.ubuntu.com or wiki.ubuntu.com are more official guides
[11:33] <dmh65> cant nail anything down can I lol
[11:34] <dmh65> not sure why they have not fixed that simple bug, if its a bug
[11:34] <stdin> because they have bigger fish to fry? ;)
[11:35] <stdin> though some new motu could probably whip up a debdiff for a fix
[11:35]  * stdin thinks about poking someone
[11:35] <dmh65> your speaking in tongues :)
[11:36] <uffo> bugabundo_work1:  dmh65: after tryng it reaches back to same gnome message, how gnome message can showed but why i cannot load desktop then
[11:37] <dmh65> I like the way pigin scrolls up smoothly when you enter some txt
[11:37] <Cheery> is there a way to disable the plash screen in ubuntu?
[11:37] <afflux> Cheery: which one?
[11:37] <Cheery> the one that shows a loading bar
[11:37] <dmh65> cheery install startup manager
[11:37] <afflux> Cheery: we have usplash for booting, gdm for logging in  and the loading thing after logging in
[11:37] <dmh65> its well cool
[11:38] <bugabundo_work1> Cheery: permanently or just once?
[11:38] <afflux> Cheery: you mean the thing that comes before login? thats usplash. change /boot/grub/menu.lst and remove all occurences of "splash"
[11:38] <Cheery> well, I could perhaps try it first
[11:38] <bugabundo_work1> uffo: we need to know your card and what driver you have: proprietary or opensource
[11:39] <dmh65> Cheery: there is a program called 'startup manager'
[11:39] <dmh65> it does it all
[11:39] <Cheery> thing is, a quad core, new SATA disk and 800Hz RAM is so fast that the whole thing boots in 10 seconds anyway
[11:39] <Cheery> so I wonder whether to get it all faster somehow
[11:39] <dmh65> limit the shown kernels, mem test, password boot, colours for grub and images etc etc
[11:40] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: sis mirage 3+ and i dont know what driver ubuntu 8.10 beta livecd uses but vesa should work always like windows vesa does beginning of installation
[11:40] <afflux> Cheery: so you're talking about usplash. Do the menu.lst solution to remove it permanently.
[11:40] <afflux> (or remove the usplash packages, I'm not sure how safe that is)
[11:40] <dmh65> geez, in startup manager you can turn usplash off
[11:40] <dmh65> am I connected here :)
[11:41] <afflux> dmh65: you are
[11:41]  * dmh65 makes a coffee
[11:43] <Cheery> http://lwn.net/Articles/299483/
[11:43] <Cheery> this page talks about booting in just 5 seconds
[11:43] <Cheery> on that EEE -PC
[11:44] <Cheery> reasoning it could drop my comp's boot time down to a second from ten
[11:44] <bugabundo_work1> uffo: look on launchpad.net/ubuntu for probs with your card
[11:45] <fat_rat> anyone tried 8.10beta on eee pc?
[11:45] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: if i reconfigure display to use default (generic) configuration after that it shows black screen - generic (like windows) is should work always
[11:46] <bugabundo_work1> I have not fat_rat
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> send me one, and ill test it for free
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> I don't know uffo. I don't have SIS... give it your best shot
[11:47] <bugabundo_work1> I remember reading about some probs with vesa and sis, but can't pin point it
[11:48] <fat_rat> bungabundo_work1: i think it's a bit to far away i'm from poland :]
[11:49] <dmh65> think I found a bug
[11:49] <uffo> bugabundo_work1: i hope they fix it, maybe you can mention some word to developers because my bug report failed to them.
[11:49] <fat_rat> bungabundo_work1: i'm just looking for a good distro on it... i don't want xp on it :]
[11:50] <dmh65> when using pidgin the power off button top right becomes the online status for pidgin?
[11:50] <frybye> when i look for "  kubuntu-restricted-extras   " nothing gets found - any tips??
[11:51] <dmh65> add the repo that deals with that maybe
[11:51] <frybye> is there some place in the os to de-restrict ...
[11:51] <frybye> dmh65: i thought I had done it...
[11:51] <frybye> eh - I am still swimming a bit here..
[11:52] <dmh65> anyone using pidgin and ibex here?
[11:52] <frybye> the only source i dont have selected is the cd...
[11:53] <bugabundo_work1> yes it does, dmh65 and so does empathy
[11:53] <dmh65> supposed too?
[11:53] <bugabundo_work1> I'm dmh65
[11:53] <dmh65> *to
[11:53] <dmh65> ?
[11:53] <dmh65> your me lol
[11:53] <bugabundo_work1> don't mess with my head
[11:54] <dmh65> haha
[11:54] <bugabundo_work1> why wouldn't people use pidgin?
[11:54] <bugabundo_work1> empathy was pushed to jaunty
[11:55] <dmh65> it still says switch or log off but when you click it you get weird choices
[11:55] <dmh65> as well as logout and restart etc you get, busy or away :)
[11:56] <bugabundo_work1> I don't get you
[11:56] <dmh65> top right the power button
[11:56] <dmh65> its got mixed with pidgin
[11:57] <dmh65> click it and you get a odd drop down menu
[11:57] <dmh65> plus at the moment it is a green circle, if I close pidgin it goes back to the red power button
[11:58] <dmh65> might be intentional but I am doubting it
[11:58] <dmh65> will take a screen
[12:00] <dmh65> where can I post images like pastebin but with images?
[12:00] <bugabundo_work1> dmh65: imageshack?
[12:00] <dmh65> I will put it on my site
[12:00] <dmh65> sod signing up
[12:07] <dmh65> bugabundo_work1: http://www.welshweb.net/screens/pidgin.png
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> so what?
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> you can make an IM client offline
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> or invisible
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> what's the prob there?
[12:08] <dmh65> just does not seem right
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> why?
[12:08] <bugabundo_work1> you do the same on pidgin and empathy
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> do you mean it can confuse users
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> to think it's the PC, not the IM ?
[12:09] <dmh65> because the im client is already in the notification area
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> ahhh
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> so you don't like FUSA
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> I actually like it preaty much
[12:09] <dmh65> if its not a bug I will shut up :)
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> makes me look just one place for it
[12:09] <bugabundo_work1> pidgin and empathy have very diferent UIs
[12:10] <bugabundo_work1> I could be a UI bug
[12:10] <bugabundo_work1> but it would be a bug agaisnt the fact it does what it is supposed to do...
[12:10] <bugabundo_work1> but I can see your point. one should be able to OPT to not use/see it
[12:11] <bugabundo_work1> I'll talk to the guy behind it, on the devel-discuss ML
[12:11] <dmh65> if its intentional it might grow on me but it implies shuting down the pc without closing a program first, unless its integrated
[12:12] <bugabundo_work1> dmh65: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-September/005740.html
[12:12] <bugabundo_work1> what??
[12:12] <bugabundo_work1> you close programs BEFORE shutdown?
[12:12] <bugabundo_work1> I never do it
[12:12] <bugabundo_work1> lolol
[12:13] <bugabundo_work1> what ever is open gets a kill 15, or killl9 if it takes to long
[12:13] <bugabundo_work1> ROFL
[12:13] <dmh65> :) thanks
[12:15] <dmh65> thanks for that link, now I know I am not going crazy
[12:22] <dmh65> there is 42 updates for Ibex, cool
[12:22] <bugabundo_work1> only those?
[12:22] <bugabundo_work1> lol
[12:22] <dmh65> first time I checked since last night
[12:25] <dmh65> system restart needed
[12:25] <dmh65> I wont close pidgin, just restart :)
[12:26] <bugabundo_work1> lol
[12:27] <fat_rat> if i install 8.10 beta now, can i smoothly upgrade to final release?
[12:27] <Pici> !final | fat_rat
[12:27] <Pici> fat_rat: thats a yes ;)
[12:28] <fat_rat> Pici: thx ;] i'm runnin' it on eee & it works well :]
[12:28] <arpu> hi
[12:29] <sivel> hello all
[12:29] <arpu> i have the problem i can not opnen websites with https
[12:29] <arpu> opera and firefox
[12:29] <arpu> https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.at/&hl=de
[12:29] <arpu> i get a white blank site :-(
[12:29] <sivel> has anyone been able to fix the ketring for nm-appelet always asking for password?
[12:29] <arpu> anyone have the same problem ?
[12:29] <sivel> keyring
[12:30] <user___> hello, how long does it approximately take until you can see the bbc content in the totem playlist (DSL)?
[12:34] <gnubie> arpu,  repost the google link and I will try it
[12:34] <user___> it dumps a python trace call on the terminal, so never mind
[12:34] <arpu> gnubie: https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.at/&hl=de
[12:34] <gnubie> arpu,  OK for me
[12:34] <arpu> hmm strange
[12:35] <arpu> i have no idea whats the problem
[12:35] <sivel> anyone?
[12:51] <mazzen> hi! just for the case, that someone is here who has edit access to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta. the links for the mirrors points still to 8.04.1
[12:54] <elky> mazzen, #ubuntu-testing i believe is probably the better bet
[12:54] <mazzen> elky: thanks
[12:56] <user___> do you also hear stuttering music when listen f.e. to this stream with totem? http://87.106.128.61:1078/listen.pls
[12:57] <Pici> oops.
[12:58] <Pici> I logged bug 277544 anyway, they can remove if necessary I guess.
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Pici: bugs are good - they leave a paper trail
[13:01] <erle-> will open office 3.0 and gimp 2.6 be available in ibex repos?
[13:01] <dns53> openoffice will be there even if it is beta
[13:01] <erle-> gimp 2.6 is no beta any more
[13:02] <erle-> and i think it is an important application for many users
[13:03] <dns53> i have no idea, ask the maintainer, you can find the contact info with the package
[13:05] <rocky> hm, no python2.6 in intrepid yet?
[13:10] <user___> rocky: it was just released two days ago..
[13:10] <Rioting_pacifist> rocky: <dns53> i have no idea, ask the maintainer, you can find the contact info with the package
[13:11] <Hobbsee> !info python2.6 intrepid
[13:11] <Hobbsee> ^ answer
[13:15] <rocky> user___: yeah but i was kind of expecting to see py2.6 rc1 or something
[13:15] <gnomefreak> no it wont be included
[13:15] <ianliu_88> I've upgraded from Hardy, but he couldn't install network manager. Anyone with the same problem?
[13:16] <rocky> gnomefreak: that sucks :(
[13:16] <gnomefreak> i answered this for you yesterday or day before aug. 26 was cut off so nothing has changed
[13:19] <la-perr> just installed ubuntu 8.10 all ok very nice
[13:19] <rocky> gnomefreak: i haven't been in #ubuntu+1 in about a couple months
[13:19] <gnomefreak> rocky: you were here the other day or someone with your nick was here the other day asking the same question
[13:20] <rocky> tweren't me ... and i have my nick registered
[13:20]  * rocky thinks gnomefreak is confusing rocky with all of the other "rockyXXX" nicks
[13:21] <gnomefreak> no im not im busy atm but i will be glad to show you the logs
[13:21] <rocky> when you get a chance, sure
[13:21] <rocky> i'd love to know who my alter ego is
[13:23] <Cheery> 400GB of free space
[13:24] <Cheery> it feels so empty. :(
[13:24] <ianliu_88> It seems network-admin is installed on my system, but there is no icon on the tray
[13:24] <ianliu_88> any tips?
[13:25] <rocky> ianliu_88: i think the 3rd issue under http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues talks about that problem
[13:28] <dmh65> is there a log to see what has been updated recently?
[13:29] <gnomefreak> dmh65: you can try launchpad.net and look for the package you want as for a list of all updated there isnt one that im aware of
[13:30] <gnomefreak> !intrepid
[13:31] <gnomefreak> !upgrade
[13:31] <gnomefreak> dmh65: see link on !upgrade
[13:31] <dmh65> I just updated Ibex with the 42 on offered, I just wish I had a good look at them before installing, I thought there might be a log somewhere
[13:31] <ianliu_88> did anyone got wireless working with beta? I have the BCM43**
[13:31] <dmh65> thanks
[13:32] <dmh65> not quite what I had in mind
[13:32] <gnomefreak> ianliu_88: its blacklisted
[13:32] <gnomefreak> # replaced by b43 and ssb.
[13:32] <gnomefreak> blacklist bcm43xx
[13:32] <gnomefreak> see /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[13:33] <gnomefreak> so im assuming its blacklisted due to a change in package (package that supports that hardware)
[13:33] <ianliu_88> this mean it won't work?
[13:33] <Pici> I think it was replaced by the b43 module.
[13:33] <ianliu_88> I managed to install it on Hardy with ndiswrapper
[13:33] <gnomefreak> ianliu_88: im fairly sure it works as for trying it i havent (i dont have that hardware)
[13:33] <debfx> dmh65: a log of recent package updates?
[13:33] <gnomefreak> Pici: it was
[13:33] <dmh65> yeah
[13:34] <debfx> dmh65: http://feeds.ubuntu-nl.org/IntrepidChanges
[13:34] <dmh65> thanks
[13:34] <Nece228> no new theme in intrepid :(
[13:34] <gnomefreak> ah yes forgot about that mailing list
[13:35] <dmh65> debfx: thanks, thats what I am after I think, although it does not have todays yet
[13:35] <ianliu_88> are there any livecd for beta? I wanted to make a fresh install, not upgrade
[13:35] <dns53> where's the fun in that?
[13:36] <dmh65> interesting to see the conficts etc actually
[13:36] <hachaboob> Has anyone got DVB-T working with totem?
[13:36] <Pici> ianliu_88: Of corse http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[13:36] <gnomefreak> dns53: see list.ubuntu.com look for intrepid-changes adn look at log it should have todays
[13:36] <gnomefreak> i havent gotten to that point in my email yet
[13:36] <ianliu_88> Pici: I've downloaded that file but it didn't have livecd.. oO
[13:36] <debfx> dmh65: the most recent updates are at the bottom
[13:37] <Pici> ianliu_88: Which file did you download?
[13:37] <dmh65> todays updates are on there actually,  my bad
[13:38] <gnomefreak> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso is the 32bit desktop installer
[13:39] <gnomefreak> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ at bottom is a full list
[13:39] <gnomefreak> be back reboot
[13:40] <ianliu_88> hmm, well, I'm good with no livecd. The file I downloaded had a "dos like" installer. The problem is it didn't worked. It crashed when resizing the partition
[13:40] <dmh65> that partion graphic is orrible
[13:40] <dmh65> *partition
[13:40] <Pici> ianliu_88: Which iso did you download? It doesnt sound like you grabbed the right file.
[13:41] <ianliu_88> let me see, just a second
[13:41] <dmh65> the auto login check box was a neat add though
[13:41] <ianliu_88> ubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[13:42] <ianliu_88> hmm
[13:42] <ianliu_88> I should have downloaded the desktop.. >.<
[13:44] <dmh65> when did Ibex become available for download for Joe Public?
[13:47]  * user____ notes that intrepid 32bit guest in 64bit hardy host with virtualbox 2.0.2 produces stuttering sound with totem and flash-player (youtube)
[13:47] <bugabundo_work1> dmh65: 30/10
[13:47] <bugabundo_work1> !! release
[13:48] <bugabundo_work1> !! intrepid
[13:48] <mnemoc> dmh65: it is already available for download for any public, as far as they are aware it's not considered stable yet
[13:49] <bugabundo_work1> !! stable
[13:49] <bugabundo_work1> !! unstable
[13:49] <bugabundo_work1> !! development
[13:49] <dmh65> thanks 30th October
[13:53] <ianliu_88> yay, downloading beta
[13:54] <frybye> no sound after intrepid-beta install - what now?
[13:56] <frybye> in sys-settings/sound - it has identified the HDA Nvidia (ALC883 <various flavours?>) but  - nothing comes out of the speakers and amarok says no input config...
[13:56] <frybye> warning: i am pretty nubie to all this...
[13:58] <Nerian> Hi. I want to install Kubuntu with KDE 4. I undertand that currently KDE 4 is available only with Kubuntu KDE 4 remix community edition. The new release of Kubuntu, 8.10, is going to feature KDE 4. Mi doubt is, if I install Kubuntu KDE 4 community edition, is there anything I need to do once the new Kubuntu 8.10 is released?
[13:59] <frybye> what to do to get sound working in 8.1 kubuntu??
[14:00] <Pici> !sound
[14:03] <Pici> Nerian: The remix should cleanly upgrade to 8.10
[14:04] <Nerian> Pici: Thank you very much
[14:04] <bugabundo_work1> any one on this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/277419
[14:14] <dmh65> dont like the stripey progress bar, looks like a sweet
[14:18] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: i added comment and screenshot
[14:20] <bugabundo_work1> thanks gnomefreak... I guess the newbie I'm helping will like it
[14:20] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: im still not sure what the issue is but feel freee to looka t what i wrote
[14:22] <bugabundo_work1> I read it
[14:22] <bugabundo_work1> the dude can't install the nvidia driver
[14:22] <bugabundo_work1> on his mx440
[14:23] <bugabundo_work1> it failed in hardy
[14:23] <bugabundo_work1> and after upgrade to ibex
[14:23] <bugabundo_work1> the same
[14:23] <bugabundo_work1> something about
 running DKMS auto installation service fail
[14:23] <gnomefreak> mx440 is the legacy drivers IIRC
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> yep
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> he wants to use TV out
[14:24] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: your bug than has nothing to do with his
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> but everytime he gets the NV , he goes to low resolution
[14:24] <gnomefreak> not sure if leg. drivers support tv but i dont see why not
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> its not my bug... lol
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> I just subscrived to it
[14:24] <gnomefreak> its not his either
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> I didn't say I was affected by it
[14:24] <bugabundo_work1> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/277419/+affectsmetoo
[14:25] <afflux> bugabundo_work1: haven't followed your discussion, bug in intrepid, it could be interesting to see what "dkms status -m nvidia" reads.
[14:25] <afflux> *your whole
[14:25] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: the bug is not on the mx440 its on the 8600
[14:25] <bugabundo_work1> I'll ask him
[14:25] <biberao> hi
[14:26] <biberao> cucu
[14:26] <biberao> bugabundo_work1 <-
[14:26] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: its best to ask him to file a bug and add the ifo to the bug
[14:26] <bugabundo_work1> gnomefreak: nvidia, 96.43.05: added
[14:26] <bugabundo_work1> gnomefreak:  meet biberao
[14:26] <biberao> hi gnomefreak
[14:26] <gnomefreak> hi biberao
[14:26] <bugabundo_work1> brb
[14:26] <biberao> i installed nvidia using this now
[14:27] <biberao> udo apt-get install nvidia-glx-96 nvidia-settings
[14:27] <biberao> Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko for module nvidia in the DKMS tree.
[14:27] <biberao> You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.27-4-generic (i686) first.
[14:27] <biberao> Done.
[14:27] <biberao> oops
[14:27] <biberao> sorry the flood
[14:28] <afflux> biberao: install nvidia-96-kernel-source
[14:28] <biberao> done that
[14:28] <afflux> biberao: good
[14:28] <gnomefreak> biberao: ive been told to use jockey or envy since xorg+apt-get install drivers fails to configure the drivers (this might have changed in the past month i dont know. i do know that jockey/envy works
[14:28] <biberao> ive that
[14:28] <gnomefreak> if you want i can grab bung
[14:28] <gnomefreak> bug
[14:28] <afflux> biberao: can you pastebin the output of "dkms status -m nvidia"
[14:28] <biberao> sorry
[14:28] <biberao> i mean
[14:29] <biberao> afflux
[14:29] <biberao> [14:26] <bugabundo_work1> gnomefreak: nvidia, 96.43.05: added
[14:29] <biberao> ive done that gnomefreak
[14:29] <afflux> ah
[14:29] <afflux> sorry
[14:29] <biberao> envy crashes on
[14:29] <biberao> ibex
[14:29] <bugabundo_work1> gnomefreak: it seems that envy is causing a lot more trouble in intrepid!
[14:29] <biberao> lol
[14:29] <gnomefreak> bugabundo_work1: thats new than
[14:29] <afflux> biberao: "sudo dkms build -m nvidia -v 96.43.05"
[14:30] <biberao> afflux mind if i flood
[14:30] <biberao> a little bit
[14:30] <afflux> yes
[14:30] <biberao> or paste site is better?
[14:30] <afflux> i do
[14:30] <afflux> pastebin please
[14:30] <biberao> ok
[14:30] <gnomefreak> bug 270073
[14:30] <biberao> http://pastebin.com/d2c8c2dc0
[14:31] <biberao> i dont use those ones gnomefreak
[14:31] <biberao> my card is old
[14:31] <biberao> 96*
[14:31] <gnomefreak> biberao: driver isnt the cause its caused by dpkg+xorg
[14:31] <afflux> biberao: now that's interesting. please pastebin /var/lib/dkms/nvidia/96.43.05/build/make.log
[14:31] <biberao> all of it?
[14:32] <gnomefreak> afflux: thanks i was about to ask for that
[14:32] <afflux> would be best, yes
[14:32] <biberao> cool i cant copy it
[14:32] <biberao> ll
[14:32] <afflux> gnomefreak: you're welcome :>
[14:32] <gnomefreak> cant copy it?
[14:33] <Pseudomocha> g'day all
[14:33] <biberao> wait a second pls
[14:34] <biberao> http://pastebin.com/df789556
[14:35] <biberao> hi Pseudomocha
[14:35] <afflux> that looks like a bug
[14:35] <afflux> or rather, like an unusable source. I'll try to compile it locally
[14:35] <biberao> ok thanks
[14:35] <bugabundo_work1> so that's why we couldn't help you out, biberao
[14:36] <biberao> bugabundo_work1 no more candy for you :p
[14:36] <rmn> anyone got lighting 0.9 for tb2 working?
[14:36] <afflux> heh
[14:36] <gnomefreak> rmn: no im still working out kinks in it
[14:37] <gnomefreak> if i get a chance ill push it to my PPA when i get build failures worked out
[14:37] <biberao> gnomefreak so you're a developer for ubuntu?
[14:37] <rmn> gnomefreak, ok.  glad it's a known issue, and not just a freak problem on my machine
[14:38] <gnomefreak> rmn: its a known issue it fails to build as for your issue i dont know
[14:38] <gnomefreak> biberao: not by trade but i do package for ubuntu mainly mozilla apps
[14:38] <biberao> i see
[14:38] <rmn> gnomefreak, anything you need for ironing the kinks out?  my issue is that it doesn't display, or allow the creation of any calendars
[14:39] <gnomefreak> rmn: that is known as i recall from this mornings upstream emails but i will look at it when i get it built
[14:39] <afflux> biberao: okay, I have the same issues
[14:39] <rmn> gnomefreak, and then occasionally it shows two rows of icons in mail-mode (calendar and mail)
[14:39] <biberao> afflux any idea?
[14:39] <afflux> biberao: they should be easy to fix, but I'm not the one in charge
[14:39] <afflux> biberao: I'll check the bugtracker
[14:39] <gnomefreak> rmn: sunbird or just lightning?
[14:40] <rmn> gnomefreak, lightning.
[14:40] <biberao> alberto answered me
[14:40] <biberao> he said
[14:40] <biberao> 96 and 171 doesnt work in intrepid
[14:40] <afflux> I see
[14:40] <afflux> you mean bug 270846?
[14:40] <biberao> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-96/+bug/251107
[14:40] <biberao> ubottu is a url fetcher lol
[14:41] <gnomefreak> rmn: as soon as i get it built ill look into it.
[14:41] <gnomefreak> rmn: tbird 2?
[14:41] <rmn> gnomefreak, sounds excellent.  again, if there's anything you need...  tb2
[14:41] <gnomefreak> rmn: is it out build of tbird?
[14:41] <rmn> 2...17 to be exact
[14:42] <rmn> gnomefreak, could you explain?
[14:42] <gnomefreak> rmn: try to create new profile and see how it works
[14:42] <rmn> gnomefreak, doesn't
[14:42] <gnomefreak> s/out/our
[14:42] <afflux> biberao: okay, got it. The build failure is because of the 2.6.27 kernel, I could provide a trivial patch which would fix this issue. As alberto said, this wouldn't help much because the xserver would not be able to load it, so you will have to wait until this gets fixed
[14:42] <rmn> gnomefreak, tried two things; copy my old profile over, and delete this and start over with a new one.  same result
[14:42] <biberao> thanks afflux
[14:43] <biberao> afflux you could fix it so fast? lol
[14:43] <gnomefreak> rmn: running it thunderbird from terminal and trying to add calendar does it give you any output? if so please paste it to pastebin
[14:43] <Authority> I have a number of keys that are recognized by xev, but I can't bind a keyboard shortcut to in KDE4 (Intrepid).  Any idea what's going on here?
[14:43] <afflux> biberao: you mean the 2.6.27 kernel things? Yes, as I had fixed exactly the same thing for the vmware module some days ago.
[14:43] <biberao> damn
[14:43] <biberao> lol
[14:44] <biberao> since im here
[14:44] <biberao> do you know a language called clipper?
[14:45] <rmn> gnomefreak, pastebin?  it did give a one-liner error
[14:45] <gil__> i am wandering if other people are finding firefox very slow and sluggish after the last update
[14:45] <gnomefreak> rmn: what is the errror and does it give it to you when working in lightning or starting tbird?
[14:46] <rmn> (gecko:15617): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed
[14:46] <gnomefreak> gil__: a little bit not much though im waiting for alexander for monday to bring it up
[14:46] <gnomefreak> rmn: thats it?
[14:46] <rmn> gnomefreak, it comes after creating an empty profile, and installing cal 0.9 xpi, before it asks to restart
[14:46] <rmn> gnomefreak, yes.
[14:46] <gil__> gnomefreak: i dont follow
[14:47] <gnomefreak> rmn: restart and run it again from terminal and try adding a cal to lighting
[14:47] <afflux> time for coffee!
[14:47] <gil__> gnomefreak: what are you refering to!?
[14:47] <gnomefreak> gil__: give me a minute i have alexander atm
[14:47] <rmn> gnomefreak, can't. that's what it doesn't allow me to
[14:47] <rmn> gnomefreak, "new calendar" is blanked out.
[14:48] <rmn> gnomefreak, plenty of messages in the TB error console, though
[14:49] <gnomefreak> rmn: please pastebin them for me or you can email them to me if you would like
[14:49] <rmn> gnomefreak, email would be preferable.  pm an address to me.
[14:49] <gnomefreak> gil__: alexander is on public holiday so it will be looked at mondayish
[14:50] <gil__> gnomefreak: dude i am a bit out of the loop these days. what is alexander?
[14:50] <CarlFK> 9 month old hp dv6700 laptop - what should I do to see if I can use it's modem in ibex?
[14:50] <gil__> gnomefreak: sorry i am not sure what you are refering to
[14:50] <gnomefreak> gil__: he is head ubuntu/mozilla develper and he is on holiday but i let him know he said he would look into it. i have some tests i can run but i need his changelog for bzr not for archives
[14:50] <user____> biberao: yes
[14:51] <CarlFK> wondering if it is the same as a few years ago it was 'run a script that will figure it out'
[14:51] <gnomefreak> gil__: your slow firefox
[14:51] <mazzen> hmm.... i just tried the 8.10 live cd and i got a black screen. all i could see was the mouse pointer, which was very slow. i have an ati mobility radeon 9700, which should be a very rare card, or?
[14:51] <gil__> gnomefreak: yes. i new we were talking about ff i just didnt know who Alexandre was.
[14:51] <gil__> thanks for clarifying
[14:51] <gnomefreak> i need his unofficial changelog to see what happened
[14:51] <gil__> my firefox was much more responsive before the last updates
[14:52] <gnomefreak> gil__: i dont think anything changed in 3.0.3 to cause this.
[14:52] <gil__> hmmm
[14:52] <gnomefreak> only changes should have been link fixes for other browsers, as in starting firefox-3.0 was failing it should be fixed now
[14:53] <gnomefreak> same with abrowser-3.0 and any other way of starting it
[14:53] <biberao> back
[14:53] <gil__> yes i will see if it some settings i have here.
[14:53] <biberao> flash-nonfree doesnt work?
[14:53] <gil__> it just seems sluggish to get from page to page. but it is not a bandwidht issue
[14:54] <gil__> gnomefreak: it seems like everytime i point fireox to a page it takes it forever to contact the page
[14:54] <gnomefreak> gil__: ill be back
[14:56] <rmn> gnomefreak, where to send the extract from the error console?
[15:04] <gnomefreak> rmn: gnomefreak@ubuntu.com and ill get to it tomorrow
[15:04] <gnomefreak> or tonight
[15:06] <biberao> gnomefreak know anything about flash-nonfree?
[15:06] <gnomefreak> what about it?
[15:06] <biberao> doesnt work
[15:06] <biberao> at least i cant isntall it
[15:07] <gnomefreak> works fine. does it give you a mismatch or md5sum error?
[15:07] <biberao> i cant do apt-get install flash-nonfree
[15:07] <biberao> ?
[15:08] <gnomefreak> biberao: try flsahplugin-nonfree
[15:08] <gnomefreak> flash-nonfree is not a package
[15:09] <biberao> its not there either
[15:09] <gnomefreak> funny 3.0 got same updates as 3.0 and i dont see it any slower on certain sites. im gonna have to say the slowdown is caused by page itself. example wiki.ubuntu.com works fine
[15:09] <gnomefreak> biberao: what is the error?
[15:09] <biberao> nothing appears
[15:09] <biberao> lol
[15:09] <biberao> no package
[15:09] <gnomefreak> biberao: than you need to enable multiverse repo
[15:10] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree intrpepid
[15:10] <gnomefreak> !info flashplugin-nonfree intrepid
[15:10] <biberao> it apepared now
[15:10] <biberao> thanks
[15:10] <gnomefreak> see its there ;)
[15:10] <gnomefreak> np
[15:11] <gnomefreak> im gone for a while i have 2 meetings to get to
[15:11] <biberao> should i add -extrasound
[15:11] <biberao> or something?
[15:11] <gnomefreak> biberao: huh?
[15:11] <gnomefreak> biberao: -extrasound for what?
[15:11] <biberao> i saw this flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound and flashplugin-nonfree-pulse
[15:11] <biberao> just wondering
[15:12] <gnomefreak> biberao: sholdnt matter if anything get pulse but i dont have anything but flashplugin-nonfree and it works fine
[15:24] <ianliu_88> OH YEAH BABE! BCM43 works out of the box!
[15:33] <rmn> do I need to do anything else than edit /etc/nsswitch.conf hosts: .... wins to be able to ping windows machines by hostname?
[15:34] <DanaG> Wow:
[15:34] <DanaG> " 			05-29-08, 01:10 PM 	An updated driver with support for Linux 2.6.25 and a few other fixes should become available in the near future. Support for the X.Org server shipped with Fedora 9 will follow some time after that, but unfortunately, no firm date is available at this point."
[15:35] <DanaG> Apparently "soon" after May is past October.
[15:35] <DanaG> =þ
[15:35] <dfgas> how do i upgrade from prompt?
[15:35] <ianliu_88> I'm trying to install ubuntu, but the Resizing partition never gets out of 0%
[15:36] <ianliu_88> anyone experienced that?
[15:38] <dfgas> i am trying to upgrade from alpha to beta in CLi
[15:38] <ianliu_88> how slow is that step?
[15:38] <dfgas> ?
[15:39] <ianliu_88> how slow is to resize partitions? I think it is stuck on that step.. although the HD light is on
[15:39] <dfgas> never done it
[15:39] <ianliu_88> well, I will leave it for a while..
[15:39] <ianliu_88> lets see what happens
[15:40] <DanaG> Heh, another lame thing about nvidia: no hdmi audio.
[15:44] <DanaG> And no xrandr 1.2.
[15:46] <Pensacola> I can't login into kde with kubuntu 8.10, gnome isn't a problem
[15:46] <Pensacola> when I try to login to kde it just gets me back to the login screen
[15:46] <Pensacola> I removed the .kde and .kde4 folders from my previous install
[15:48] <Pensacola> does anyone have an idea on how to fix this?
[15:51] <uffo> WARNING: 8.10 may not even run if final has been released on Fujitsu Siemens Esprimo v5535 because of Gnome is unable to load desktop
[15:52] <ianliu_88> hmm, the resizing worked
[15:52] <s0u][ight> atm i'm installing beta in a virtual machine
[15:52] <ianliu_88> but there is a bug with the UI, ubuntu doesn't give any feedback of the resizing
[16:13] <damhyojung> hey.all
[16:14] <petersaints> Well I'm going to make an Intrepid Beta install, if it goes all Ok it will remais as my main install!! What do you recommend for Intrepid? I mean is it time to go x64 without looking the other way?
[16:15] <afflux> petersaints: depends on what you want to do / to use.
[16:15] <damhyojung> hey.all ,who install the 8.10 beta
[16:16] <afflux> damhyojung: probably most people around
[16:16] <afflux> petersaints: I'm using x64 and it works okay
[16:16] <petersaints> Is Flash working without issues?
[16:16] <afflux> for me, yes.
[16:17] <damhyojung> really,i had installed alpha 6,but cant go into XWindows
[16:17] <damhyojung> now,im waiting
[16:17] <petersaints> I mean... NSPLUGINWRAPPER introduces another abstraction layer and sometimes it can cause some trouble... Also de memory usage is greater on x64 isn't it?
[16:18] <MvG> Hi! The more I work with Kubuntu intrepid, the more I feel that a single row task manager is a serious regression.
[16:18] <MvG> Sadly, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/269189 got closed while a similar https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/260094/ for Quicklaunch survived. Do you know what's the policy there?
[16:19] <MvG> Does anyone know details or any followup discussion on this matter?
[16:19] <ethana2> aaaaand I'm back
[16:20] <damhyojung> about 8.10 beta
[16:20] <damhyojung> where are you guys from
[16:21] <HappySmileMan> Following the guide for Kubuntu upgrade to Beta, and the distribution upgrader quits after setting new software channels and telling me that 12 packages are no longer supported by Canonical
[16:21] <HappySmileMan> "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" seems to list all the packages that i need to upgrade (over a gigabyte) but is that a safe way to upgrade?
[16:23] <ethana2> Ok, where's the apt configuration file?
[16:23] <ethana2> I need to modify it with a script
[16:23] <MvG> HappySmileMan: Where is that guide?
[16:24] <damhyojung> hey,all
[16:24] <HappySmileMan> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu MvG
[16:24] <damhyojung> where are you guys from
[16:24] <MvG> ethana2: afaik apt uses several config files, what exactly do you need to modify?
[16:24] <ethana2> in add/remove, set it to 'all available applications'
[16:24] <HappySmileMan> I'm thinking it may be due to me using KDE4.1 instead of KDE3.5 or 4.0.5
[16:25] <ethana2> and in system -> admin -> software sources, enable backports and such
[16:25] <HappySmileMan> But I don't know if it'd be good to upgrade the packages without using the official updater
[16:25] <MvG> HappySmileMan: When I upgraded to Alpha6, I used "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" from the command line, which I was told here on IRC. Back then, the upgrade removed adept, among others, but I would have thought that fixed by now.
[16:26] <HappySmileMan> Well adept says it will remove adept... Just looking at that now
[16:26] <HappySmileMan> It's upgradable but will be removed
[16:26] <MvG> ethana2: backports and stuff is /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:27] <HappySmileMan> Presumably because adept-batch and adept-installer and stuff can't be upgraded
[16:27] <ethana2> hmmmmm
[16:27] <ethana2> i wonder....
[16:27] <ethana2> i may just replace the whole file
[16:27] <MvG> HappySmileMan: Solution for me: upgrade as described above using the command line, then reinstall adept.
[16:28] <HappySmileMan> I'll try that, not like I have a problem with reinstalling if I have to
[16:28] <HappySmileMan> Will probablky due fresh install next month anyway
[16:29] <nacho> Hi
[16:30] <erle-> i dont have the time to search/track bugs, but: if you have autologin in intrepid you have no chance to mount ~/Private
[16:30] <nacho> since I upgraded to intrepid network-manager is not storing the key for weps in wireless lans
[16:30] <damhyojung> hi,nacho
[16:30] <MvG> HappySmileMan: For reference: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/09/22/%23ubuntu+1.html starting at 9:33 was my discussion. I guess I'll try find a bug report for the upgrade removing adept, and file one if I can't find one.
[16:30] <nacho> do you know if there is a bug about that?
[16:31] <frybye> was using aptget to get the kubuntu-restricted-extras package - and accidentally closed the terminal - what to do now?
[16:31] <HappySmileMan> ty MvG
[16:31] <ethana2> Are the updates safe today?
[16:31] <HappySmileMan> This channel is bigger than Nethack ;)
[16:31] <frybye> the process still seems to be running but I need to make responses or?
[16:31]  * ethana2 crosses fingers and applies
[16:31] <MvG> frybye: I'd try "dpkg --audit", I think, and see what's the current state.
[16:32] <frybye> with sudo???
[16:32] <MvG> frybye: If it's still running, find it with ps, pstree etc. and kill it.
[16:32] <MvG> frybye: No, you can query status without sudo I think.
[16:32] <frybye> and then start again or...?
[16:33] <MvG> frybye: 1. Find involved process, 2. kill root process (apt-get?), 3. dpkg --audit, 4. follow instructions from audit, 5. restart installation
[16:34] <HappySmileMan> sudo do-release-upgrade -d doesn't work either, quits at same point, I'll try uninstalling the packages that are no longer supported
[16:35] <zniavre> !bugs
[16:36] <HappySmileMan> I'll wait and see if this works, that way I can post how I got it to work as well as the problem
[16:36] <MvG> HappySmileMan: They shouldn't be the cause of your trouble.
[16:36] <vasy> hi dudes, I got problem with my wifi in kubuntu alpha 6..
[16:36] <MvG> HappySmileMan: What's the last message from do-release-upgrade?
[16:36] <vasy> any help please
[16:36] <ianliu_88> When installing ubuntu, when copying files at 67% the installation fail due to disk corruption. But I checked the cd and it was ok. Is there still a possibility to be corrupted? I'm actually running ubuntu from the cd now
[16:37] <MvG> HappySmileMan: Also have a look at /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[16:37] <HappySmileMan> MvG: Last message is "Calculating the changes", after it lists what programs are demoted
[16:37] <ianliu_88> I will burn the cd again and see if it works
[16:37] <vasy> I just installed kubuntu alpha 6 intrepid edition... I am able to connect to net through cable but not through wifi
[16:37] <vasy> why like that ?
[16:38] <MvG> vasy: I don't know any solution, but I remember reading about Problems with Wifi and Kubuntu in several places, so at least the issue is known. Have you searched the bugs database yet?
[16:38] <Pensacola> when I try to login to kde in kubuntu 8.10 it just gets me back to the login screen, but gnome works
[16:38] <Pensacola> where can I see wich errors it gives?
[16:38] <vasy> yes... I searched... but not able to find the exact solution
[16:38] <vasy> I am afraid is it something to do with kernel 2.6.7.. got some bugs that will damage our network hardware
[16:39] <ethana2> my third party sources aren't showing up in my /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:39] <ethana2> medibuntu and such just aren't there
[16:39] <vasy> is this issue related to that ??
[16:39] <frybye> I have a page of text about the java install with ok at the bottom but dont know what to do to accept it???
[16:39] <HappySmileMan> Ok yeah according to logs, error is in File "/tmp/tmp8EsT9V/DistUpgradeQuirks.py", line 150
[16:39] <Pici> ethana2: If you followed the steps from the midubuntu website it actually puts them into /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
[16:39] <ethana2> ah, thank you
[16:39] <HappySmileMan> NameError: global name '_' is not defined
[16:39] <vasy> U know something MvG... I have also installed ubuntu alpha 6 intrepid but I didnt face this issue
[16:40] <vasy> why this issue is very particular to kubuntu I am not sure...
[16:40] <frybye> MvG: how do i proceed at this page of text about the java liscence - how do i enter OK???
[16:40] <MvG> Pensacola: I'd look at ls -lt /var/log to find the file with the latest modification. (Re-)moving your ~/.kde might help as well.
[16:41] <ethana2> Pici: isn't that...  bad?
[16:41] <Pensacola> I tried removing my .kde but it didn' t work
[16:41] <Pici> ethana2: What? Why?
[16:41] <ethana2> that's what sources.list is for, right?
[16:41] <ethana2> it's... the list of.. sources
[16:42] <frybye> MvG: it is a page in apt-get with the sun-java6-bin liscence and somehow I have tell it OK .. how to do it???
[16:42] <Pici> ethana2: And that directory contains other sources in addition, its just another way to add stuff without having to touch the sources.list file itself.
[16:42] <ethana2> I see
[16:42] <ethana2> well, the mebibuntu part of my script will handle all that anyway
[16:42] <ethana2> I'll just replace the sources.list
[16:43] <ethana2> medibuntu*
[16:43] <MvG> frybye: How do you know that's the page?
[16:44] <ethana2> (g is my key for d) speaking of, does gnome have a backspace caps lock behavior yet?
[16:44] <Pici> ethana2: I'm pretty sure its had that for a while.
[16:44] <frybye> the page of text is displayed - at the bottom of it is <Ok> but it is just text.. no way to enter a command - the ok for example...
[16:44] <ethana2> Pici: why is it gone?
[16:44] <Pici> frybye: press tab until the okay button is hilighted and then press enter.
[16:44] <frybye> ok i have it now - tab and enter...
[16:45] <ethana2> Pici: now my keyboard layout does that, and it's the Wrong Way to do it
[16:45] <MvG> frybye: You have restarted the installation already, and problems with the second run?
[16:45] <Pici> ethana2: I don't know, I dont use it, I just noticed it in the options.
[16:45] <ianliu_88> is it possible to install the iso file into a usb?
[16:45] <ethana2> you should use it
[16:45] <frybye> MvG: seems ok now..
[16:45] <ethana2> it's sweeeet
[16:45] <ianliu_88> usb stick
[16:45] <ethana2> ianliu_88: yep
[16:46] <frybye> it had just stuck at the point that this liscence had to be OK-d and i got it to run again from there... forgot the command now but found with a google search... heheh
[16:46] <ianliu_88> is there some instructions somewhere?
[16:46] <MvG> ianliu_88: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[16:47] <frybye> still no mfsob sound though... grrrrr.. <smile.>
[16:47] <frybye> ah ha - have to reboot it said.. doooohg....
[16:49] <frybye> how do i get konversation to not show when ppl come and go???
[16:51] <ethana2> gyarr, i'm looking through gconf-editor here....
[16:51] <morpholology> Hello all - I tried to suspend to disk a while back. Ever since then, every boot up it claims it can't find the resume image, and asks to enter the path manually. Is there any way to make it not look for one at boot?
[16:51] <ethana2>  /apps/gnome-app-install/components_seen doesn't seem to do what I want..
[16:58] <biberao> back
[16:59] <yao_ziyuan> i use intrepid alpha 6 and keep installing updates, and today i heard intrepid beta is out but "update-manager -d" doesn't show any new version upgrade. am i already in beta?
[17:00] <Pici> Yes.
[17:00] <Pici> yao_ziyuan: Just use the regular update-manager, no need for -d"
[17:00] <Pici> !final
[17:02] <yao_ziyuan> my kde 4.1.2 just crashed, so i didn't see any replies
[17:02] <Pici> yao_ziyuan: Just use the regular update-manager, no need for -d.
[17:02] <Pici> !final | yao_ziyuan
[17:02] <biberao> i hope ubuntu guys fix nvidia :X
[17:02] <biberao> afflux you around=?
[17:03] <afflux> biberao: yup
[17:03] <biberao> mind if i pm you?
[17:03] <biberao> nothing related with ubuntu
[17:03] <yao_ziyuan> Pici: that also applies to the official final release?
[17:03] <afflux> feel free
[17:04] <biberao> thanks
[17:04] <debfx> is there a way to grab more attention to this bug: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263543 cause I really would love to be able to boot intrepid
[17:07] <Pensacola> ok the livecd has the same problem so it has to be related to my system config
[17:07] <Pensacola> anyway I can get kde3 on intrepid?
[17:08] <debfx> no
[17:09] <Pensacola> ok
[17:11] <MvG> HappySmileMan: Do you want to subscribe to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/277669 about adept removing adept? Might be useful if the devs need further information.
[17:13] <HappySmileMan> Yeah will do
[17:14] <Sharav> does the beta have a live cd where you can just test it out for fun?
[17:15] <slanning> when I login to the latest kernel in intrepid, the network doesn't work (e.g.: "ssh: Could not resolve hostname ...: Name or service not known"), but if I go to a previous kernel version it will work
[17:15] <slanning> it's been like that since dist-upgrading - anyone have an idea how to....regenerate whatever needs regenerated or re-defaulted ?
[17:16] <HappySmileMan> Sharav: IAs far as I know the regular desktop CD is a liveCD, just like the final versions
[17:18] <MvG> debfx: Investigating kernel errors, I'd start with a manually compiled plain vanilla kernel, try to see whetehr that boots, and then try to make it incrementally more like the kernel shipped with ubuntu. Requires some knowledge of how to configure kernels, though. Once you had the issue tracked down in this way, you could probably provide the developers with the information needed to fix it.
[17:24] <debfx> ok thanks, I'll try that
[17:38] <frybye> hi - cant find flashplugin-nonfree in adept???
[17:39] <frybye> I have clicked on all the available package sources...
[17:39] <frybye> and tried manually editing the sources.list
[17:39] <frybye> all to no avail so far...
[17:41] <MvG> frybye: It should be there, in multiverse: http://packages.ubuntu.com/intrepid/flashplugin-nonfree
[17:42] <MvG> frybye: Have you updated your package list since you activated package sources?
[17:42] <frybye> imho lots of times.. hang on pse..
[17:43] <MvG> frybye: Hmmm... my adept doesn't show it either, but apt-get install seems to work. Strange.
[17:44] <frybye> whats the full command for apt-get???#
[17:44] <ethana2> frybye: apt-get install?
[17:44] <frybye> apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree    <-- or?
[17:45] <ethana2> ....i think so
[17:45] <MvG> with sudo
[17:45] <ethana2> yeah
[17:45] <MvG> Any maybe add some of the suggested packages as well.
[17:45] <ethana2> i need a window decorator that will put decorations /over/ windows
[17:45] <ethana2> it sounds hackish 'cause it is
[17:45] <ethana2> it also needs to take the minimum window width and add x pixels
[17:46] <ethana2> specifically, I want it to draw window controls over the empty right side of menu bars
[17:46] <frybye> good - that seems to have done it... odd that not possible with gui...#
[17:46] <ethana2> and dragging the menu bar will drag the window
[17:46] <MvG> Strange: When I search in adept for "flash", flashplugin-nonfree is listed, but when I also type the p, i.e. "flashp", the list becomes empty.
[17:46] <biberao> MvG when i do flash and tab nothing appears
[17:46] <biberao> but if i do flashplugin tab it appears
[17:47] <MvG> Looks like the search would only search for package descriptions, not package names.
[17:51] <frybye> next ? - there does not seem to be a source for getting more widgets from the net???
[17:51] <frybye> I would like the weather widget...
[17:51] <MvG> biberao: You pressed tab in the search input field of adept? Does nothing for me.
[17:52] <frybye> i should perhaps go to #kde4 for this stuff...
[17:52] <klos> is there new artwork in interpid
[17:52] <klos> ?
[17:52] <biberao> MvG adept?
[17:52] <biberao> i did this apt-get install flash tab
[17:54] <elupus> hi, i'm trying to find linux-image 2.6.27-5.8, on pakages.ubuntu.com it is mentioned in the changelog, but can't seem to find the binary .deb file
[17:54] <elupus> any ideas?
[17:54] <danbh_intrepid> there is a -5 out?
[17:54] <MvG> biberao: adept = kde package manager, i.e. kubuntu
[17:55] <elupus> yea, should contain fix for the e1000e issue
[17:55] <elupus> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.27-5.8/changelog
[17:55] <frybye> anybody know the name of a package with a load of kde4 widgets...?
[17:56] <elupus> i suspect it just haven't spread to all mirrors, anybody know what is the main host?
[17:56] <JontheEchidna> frybye: kdeplasma-addons
[17:57] <elupus> yes i'm impatient :)
[17:57] <danbh_intrepid> elupus: its not listed on packages.ubuntu.com...
[17:57] <elupus> nope
[17:57] <elupus> but the changelog for current kernel image gives changelog for it
[17:58] <JontheEchidna> frybye: searching for plasmoid in adept should show a list of other installable plasmoids
[17:59] <danbh_intrepid> oooo, yay, fixes for ath9k!!!!
[17:59]  * danbh_intrepid wonders why that kernel didnt make it into beta
[18:00] <danbh_intrepid> !beta
[18:00] <elupus> hehe, yea that would be nice todo if i did have network :)
[18:07] <Novell> hi, does the 2.6.27-4-generic kernel include the patch to make the NVM read-only on e1000 cards ? and why doesn't my ethernet card on my X61s work with that kernel ?
[18:07] <brincade> hi!
[18:07] <Pici> Novell: No, the release notes said that this patch did not make it into the beta.
[18:07] <Novell> Pici: ah ok, didn't see that
[18:09] <Novell> Pici: any kernel update on the way ?
[18:15] <Pici> Novell: I would think so, but I don't have any definitive info on it.
[18:15] <Novell> ok, hopefully before monday hehe
[18:28] <elupus> Novell, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux/linux_2.6.27-5.8/changelog
[18:29] <elupus> so obviously someting is on the way, but can't find that release anywhere :)
[18:29] <Novell> elupus: ahhh nice
[18:29] <biberao> oh thx MvG
[18:29] <Novell> should come soonish then
[18:29] <superriker> I have a problem with my bootloader grub
[18:30] <superriker> I have freshly installed 8.10 beta and the grub loader seems not to be installed
[18:30] <superriker> and I cant find the /boot/grub directory. Is there something new
[18:38] <danbh_intrepid> superriker: no, i dont think so
[18:43] <gs> hi
[18:43] <gs> I'm just trying to get compiz to run
[18:43] <gs> but the same problem as before the upgrade
[18:44] <gs> it removes the window-bars and the last statement is "Xgl not present"
[18:44] <danbh_intrepid> gs: did you use the hardware manager to install your drivers?
[18:44] <gs> did it automatically
[18:44] <gs> it offers me 177 and 173
[18:44] <gs> but has activated 177
[18:44] <gs> the other is deactivated
[18:45] <PatrickMello> hi guys...
[18:45] <gs> nvidia btw
[18:46] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, automatically?  Thats not supposed to happen I thought...   I don't really know.  You could try deactivating, and then reactivating them.  See if the setup does a better job.  If that works, I'd file a bug report or something
[18:46] <biberao> geser
[18:46] <biberao> gs
[18:46] <biberao> wait a second
[18:46] <gs> want to see my xorg.conf or the compiz output?
[18:46] <gs> biberao, ok
[18:46] <gs> geser?
[18:46] <biberao> intrepid has some problems
[18:46] <gs> well it was the same before
[18:46] <biberao> with 96 and other driver
[18:46] <biberao> from nvidia
[18:46] <PatrickMello> I have a problem with reboot. I try to reboot in su mode and ssh terminal, I receive the reboot message on console but system does not appear reboot... reboot only if I use reboot -f now... everybody have any idea from this behavior?
[18:46] <gs> so I thought try it with the new version
[18:47] <gs> what version is 96?
[18:47] <jemark> PatrickMello: I think this is a known bug in the kernel
[18:48] <biberao> gs
[18:48] <biberao> old cards
[18:48] <PatrickMello> thanks jemark.. a kernel update is recommended?
[18:49] <Lynoure> PatrickMello: which one you have now?
[18:49] <Lynoure> PatrickMello: because I'm not sure I'd recommend 27-4 without caution (does not boot on mine, at least reliably)
[18:50] <jemark> PatrickMello: They probably fix it before the final release ;)
[18:50] <PatrickMello> jemark: : my version is 2.6.22-14-generic
[18:50] <danbh_intrepid> PatrickMello: are you running hardy?
[18:50] <PatrickMello> ops.. Lynoure, my version is 2.6.22-14-generic
[18:51] <Pici> That would be Gutsy.
[18:51] <Pici> PatrickMello: What version of Ubuntu are you running?
[18:51] <Lynoure> PatrickMello: I don't think Intrepid comes with that old kernel, and this is #ubuntu+1, the development channel for Intrepid
[18:51] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, it sure aint intrepid  : )
[18:51] <Lynoure> or support channel, or whatever :)
[18:52] <Lynoure> jemark: But there is a know bug like that in which version of the kernel? The one I'm having hassle with?
[18:52] <PatrickMello> ahh sorry danbh_intrepid... you have a suggestion from related channel to support?
[18:52] <jemark> PatrickMello: I run Hardy  2.6.24-19
[18:52] <Lynoure> PatrickMello: #ubuntu would be it, I think
[18:52] <Pici> !version
[18:53] <jemark> Lynoure: let me check on launchpad
[18:53] <gs> biberao, I only see this: http://img356.imageshack.us/my.php?image=drivergm3.png
[18:53] <PatrickMello> Pici: , my version is 7.10
[18:53] <danbh_intrepid> PatrickMello: well, I don't have a specific suggestion, but upgraded versions tend to have lots more fixes than new bugs.  So, I think you should upgrade.  gl
[18:53] <biberao> if i cant install nvidia drivers
[18:53] <Pici> PatrickMello: This channel is only for 8.10, please ask in #ubuntu
[18:53] <biberao> if i cant install nvidia drivers isnt it possible to atleast use any to make my resolution get to 1024 or something?
[18:53] <PatrickMello> ok .. thx!! i try it ...
[18:53] <jemark> PatrickMello: why don't you update to Hardy?
[18:54] <gs> biberao, I usually do that in the xorg.conf
[18:54] <biberao> i cant make it work arr
[18:54] <biberao> :|
[18:54] <biberao> i need some default
[18:54] <biberao> driver right»?
[18:54] <PatrickMello> all my stations are distributed in some places... and this station is a old and stable.. the problem starts a few days ago..
[18:55] <jemark> Lynoure: it's bug number 248677
[18:57] <jemark> Lynoure: and this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/213260
[18:57] <Scunizi> will the fix for the e1000e ethernet bug be in the official release?
[18:57] <PatrickMello> thanks for any help guys.. regards!!!
[18:57] <jemark> yes, it is fixed already :)
[18:58] <Scunizi> jemark: that's a good thing :)
[19:00] <jemark> Scunizi: yes :)
[19:02] <Scunizi> jemark: yep .. just reading the bug report but it doesn't mention Linux putting the fix in the kernel that will be released on the 5th
[19:02] <Scunizi> jemark: see http://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linux_does_well_the_e1000e_ethernet_bug_fixed
[19:02] <becky_> is there anything we can do to stop that eye-sore of a wallpaper from making final 8.10 release?
[19:02] <Lynoure> jemark: I just have a startup bug, haven't even gotten to shutdown with .27-4
[19:02] <Scunizi> becky_: have someone change it just before you look
[19:03] <becky_> Scunizi:  that's what i'll be doing on installs for sure!
[19:04] <Lynoure> .27-3 however is pretty as much sweet as roses (32bit, though, not 64)
[19:06] <Nakkel> If I do a upgrade to Intrepid thru update-manager, does this install KDE4 side by side with KDE3 or removes KDE3? Also how well do KDE4 progs munch my old KDE3 configs?
[19:06] <jemark> Scunizi: I saw that the Ubuntu testing prepared the latest ubuntu kernel with the fix... we will see if the fix will be there in the final release. I think so...
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> Nakkel: It will remove KDE3. We have been getting some reports of icons getting messed up due to KDE3 configs
[19:07] <becky_> Scunizi: it will be out october 5
[19:07] <Scunizi> yep.. read that..
[19:07] <becky_> lol oh sorry I should read whole history
[19:09] <Nakkel> JontheEchidna: Ok, thanks.
[19:10] <td123> becky_: what will?
[19:10] <becky_> td123: e1000 kernel fix
[19:14] <td123> becky_: oh, ya, well I run it in a vm so IDC :D
[19:14] <becky_> hope you're not virtualizing the e1000 driver!?! :P lol
[19:15] <asdf25> anyone had alsa break with snd_hda_intel in intrepid recently and manage to fix it?
[19:15] <td123> becky, :D
[19:26] <balachmar> Hi, just upgraded one machine and got this error: already reported a bug about it: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.27-4-generic_2.6.27-4.6_amd64.deb: subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2
[19:26] <balachmar> However fix broken packages in synaptic doesn't work.
[19:28] <vita_> hi all
[19:31] <balachmar> If I do sudo apt-get install -f now, I get: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
[19:39] <vita__> Hi all. How can I mount disk via USB on II. It isn't detected by Solid, it doesn't appear in /media. Which device it is? It isn't /dev/sdb?
[19:49] <DGMurdockIII> where would i ask for support to get a non stander network card supported
[19:49] <DGMurdockIII> the killer nic
[19:49] <Pici> DGMurdockIII: What card?
[19:50] <DGMurdockIII> http://www.killernic.com/
[19:50] <DGMurdockIII> they have a linux driver
[19:51] <woogens> lol @ killernic.com -- Could be a reference to the e1000e driver. ;-)
[19:52] <DGMurdockIII> here there link to there driver http://www.bigfootnetworks.com/Support/index.php?_m=downloads&_a=viewdownload&downloaditemid=65&nav=0,2
[19:52] <DGMurdockIII> for linux
[19:53] <Nakkel> Hm, did "do-release-upgrade -d" and now I presume it installed the server version coz its configuring MySQL and Postfix on my desktop upgrade? Er wut?
[19:53] <Pici> DGMurdockIII: Are you asking how to get it to work in Intrepid or how to get it included with Ubuntu?
[19:53] <DGMurdockIII> how to get it included
[19:54] <DGMurdockIII> so when you do a install os ubuntu it dectect it
[19:54] <DGMurdockIII> even if it just basic support then you get the full driver off the restriced drivers installer
[19:55] <Pici> DGMurdockIII: File a bug against the 'linux' package on launchpad, this is for the kernel.
[19:55] <DGMurdockIII> on the launchpad
[19:56] <Pici> Yes.
[19:56] <Pici> !bugs
[19:56] <DGMurdockIII> ok
[19:59] <DGMurdockIII> what package should i choose
[19:59] <Pici> linux
[20:01] <mnemoc> .oO
[20:03] <_Guma> I just reported a bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/277744
[20:04] <_Guma> Any one know if there is a fix or if I can help with providing additional information
[20:04] <vita__> Could anybody help me with problem to mount USB disk?
[20:05] <vita__> dmesg | tail says nothing new when I plug it into USB
[20:05] <_Guma> I am running amd64 version
[20:07] <DGMurdockIII> (Pici): https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/277749 how dose that look
[20:14] <Daisuke_Ido> DGMurdockIII: is that the "gamer NIC"?
[20:14] <Daisuke_Ido> the one that makes all sorts of vague promises about lower latency and such
[20:14] <DGMurdockIII> yeah
[20:14] <DGMurdockIII> it actally dose what works
[20:14] <Daisuke_Ido> does it actually work?  or is it just an overpriced piece of niche hardware designed to lure in the gullible?  if it works, i'm interested
[20:15] <Daisuke_Ido> ah.
[20:15] <Daisuke_Ido> neat
[20:15] <DGMurdockIII> i dont play many mmo
[20:16] <DGMurdockIII> but i hear hear it reallyhelp for mmmo like world of warcraft
[20:16] <DGMurdockIII> and others
[20:17] <XVampireX> Okey, Daisuke_Ido if you don't know about pianos then answer me this, why doesn't kubuntu let me upgrade to 8.10 beta?
[20:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i do not know
[20:19] <Daisuke_Ido> i haven't yet tried to upgrade myself
[20:19] <Pici> Why doesn't it let you?
[20:20] <tvakah> so, my intel wireless is worknig wores than it was in hardy so far... ie it's unusable
[20:20] <tvakah> however in hardy I was running compat-wierless compiled replacement all the time to get it to work at all with wpa
[20:20] <skyjumper> tvakah: o
[20:20] <tvakah> iwl3945, any clues?
[20:20] <tvakah> kill switch on after modprobe, can't get the card to activate
[20:21] <skyjumper> i'm not completely sure, but someone in here mentioned before that intrepid is using a different driver for some wifi cards
[20:21] <tvakah> fn-key does nothing... same story as in hardy, except in hardy it was on by default and only died if you hit the fn-key once
[20:21] <Pici> My iwl3945 works fine.
[20:21] <Pici> I've never had any of these issues that I've heard other people report.
[20:22] <tvakah> "iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch" in dmesg anytime the driver loads
[20:22] <tvakah> notebook's an asus c90s
[20:23] <tvakah> I'm trying to find out what to set debug to for the iwl3945 module to get it to cough up more hints
[20:23] <Daisuke_Ido> tvakah: that's saying it's physically off...  weird
[20:23] <Pici> tvakah: dmesg | grep iwl reports the following for me: http://pastebin.com/f7309bd26   I'm not sure why yours is not working
[20:23] <tvakah> Daisuke_Ido, aye, and it's that way from boot
[20:23] <carl_> did the online update from 8.04/kde4.1. Everything went swimmingly. On reboot, instead of login usr/pwd, there's an error box "No greeter widget plugin loaded. Check the configuration." w/ ok button. OK goes to CLI. Sign in works. Startx doesn't.
[20:24] <Daisuke_Ido> is it actually on?  i hate to ask the dumb questions, but you'd be surprised how many times people (myself included) will run aroud for hours trying to find a solution when the answer is to flip a switch somewhere
[20:24] <tvakah> isn't there some nifty pipe-to-pastebin program?
[20:24] <Daisuke_Ido> there is
[20:24] <skyjumper> tvakah: pastebinit
[20:24] <Pici> !info pastebinit
[20:24] <tvakah> I tried the fn-key, thats' the only switch
[20:24] <tvakah> there's no side thing, just the fn-f2 key
[20:25] <Daisuke_Ido> tvakah: you don't have a hardware switch on the front?  that's absolutely bizarre
[20:25] <tvakah> Daisuke_Ido, nope just the function key
[20:26] <tvakah> dmesg | grep iwl > http://pastebin.com/f2e01de4e
[20:42] <tvakah> hmm I should try rebuilding the kernel and changin this I think "# CONFIG_ACPI_ASUS is not set"
[20:43] <tvakah> since most things are telling me to poke at /proc/acpi/asus
[20:43] <tvakah> I tried the keycode trick mentioned here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=2713567&postcount=14 to no avail
[20:48] <tvakah> so this leads to asking: what is the Ubuntu Way (tm) to recompile the kernel while still coloring within the lines
[20:50] <biberao> bye
[20:50] <biberao> thanks all for your help
[20:51] <fabio> hi I just wanted to try kubuntu intrepid beta on my thinkpad t61p, when i boot the desktop cd, all i get after the screen where i can chose, whether i want to try or to install or boot from hd etc. is a black screen and my laptops pc speaker is beeping like crazy
[20:58] <hmuller> fabio:  Hit F6, and delete 'quiet' and 'splash'
[20:59] <tvakah> well I got the led to turn on, and nm-tool shows an access point, however knetworkmanager doesn't seem to be in on the idea
[21:00] <tvakah> the trick was to echo 1 > /sys/devices/platform/asus-laptop/wlan after loading the asus_laptop module
[21:00] <tvakah> that turned off rf kill
[21:00] <fabio> ok will try
[21:04] <frybye> not been able to run skype on 64bit intrepid - any tips? (I have done the stuff to be found with google - but it seems to not work with the new beta?)
[21:08] <kane77> when was the beta released?
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> kane77: yesterday I think
[21:10] <kane77> JontheEchidna, so then I already am running beta :D
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> yep :)
[21:11] <kane77> I know there will not be much differences but I like to know officially :D
[21:11] <ConstantineXVI> is the guest user broken right now?
[21:20] <kjetil1001> Update from yesterday: I made a bootable pendrive of intrepid (8.10) beta, doesnt boot from that either. back on 8.04 now. Should I (How) report a bug?
[21:23] <ConstantineXVI> does anyone else use gnome-do, and is it broken for them?
[21:24] <debfx> MvG: I tracked down the kernel bug to a commit
[21:24] <MvG> debfx: A commit even? Nice! What part?
[21:25] <debfx> http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=1fd6a53ddc75d02ad0f363cb42f2a1cec6b701c2
[21:25] <frybye> re - skype still crashes when I try to login... ah well....
[21:26] <MvG> debfx: Quite an achievement, it seems, tracking that thing down.
[21:27] <debfx> I used git bisect, had to compile like 15 different kernel versions :/
[21:30] <MvG> debfx: Probably faster that bisecting over all config options, as I had in mind. I take it the bug occurred even with the default config?
[21:31] <debfx> MvG: yes, always used the default config to test
[21:31] <MvG> debfx: Are you going to file bugs against upstream kernel and the ubuntu kernel packages?
[21:34] <debfx> MvG: there is already a bug against ubuntu: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263543
[21:35] <MvG> Oh yes, now I recall that you started by mentioning that. So long ago...
[21:35] <x1250> When accesing my phone via bluetooth (explore device option), I can browse all directories but I can't access, copy, or view any file. Trying to copy or open any file results in a "file not found" message. Nautilus shows "unknown" in permission column. What can this be? I'm trying to access a Sony Ericsson W890i.
[21:42] <_Guma> Is any one here who has two GFX cards in their system? Do you have both working?
[21:43] <td123> _Guma: your asking on ubuntu? pff
[21:44] <_Guma> Yes. I have two Radion HD 3650 and only one is driving two displays. I can't get the other card working 3rd display
[21:44] <_Guma> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/277744
[21:47] <tvakah> so what can I do to get this fixed automatically? where should I post how to fix asus c90s wireless rf kill?
[21:48] <_Guma> td123: Where should I be asking such question. I am testing 8.10 beta
[21:48] <tvakah> I'm guessing it's two parts, asus_laptop needs to be loaded, not sure where the detection for this goeus... and then networkmanager or something nedes to twiddle the sysfs file to enable/disable wirelses
[21:49] <td123> _Guma: google if it works with other distros or are they experiencing the same thing
[21:49] <x1250> how can I restart the sound system without restarting X ? Intrepid is leaving me without audio from time to time here :/
[21:50] <hardcore> is there a way to install 8.10 beta with the terminal?
[21:50] <x1250> the usual $ pkill pulseaudio doesn't work
[21:50] <tvakah> hardcore, sure, s/hardy/intrepid in /etc/apt/sources.list then use aptitude
[21:50] <tvakah> hardcore, or apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:50] <tvakah> but aptitued's likely your best friend
[21:50] <tvakah> aptitude* even
[21:51] <jaxdahl2> diff apt-get aptitude ?
[21:51] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: please suggest the supported method, update-manager -d
[21:51] <x1250> diff apt-get aptitude < google.com :P
[21:51] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, oh hmm, I had never seen that before heh
[21:52] <hardcore> it says nothing was upgraded when i did apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:52] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: yeah, someone asked me to do the same.  Its for the bugs.
[21:52] <l337ingDisorder> hey folks, having a weird keybinding problem ever since updating to intrepid alpha...
[21:52] <danbh_intrepid> hardcore: try update-manager -d
[21:52] <l337ingDisorder> like... PARTICULARLY weird.
[21:52] <l337ingDisorder> here's the link to my post in the ubu forums describing the problem, in case anyone has time to help debug: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=934444
[21:53] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, hmm what pulls in update-manager, I seem to not have it
[21:53] <sourcemaker> can I upgrade to kubuntu 8.10 using cryptoLUKS (whole encrypted file system) in hardy???
[21:53] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: its under ubuntu-desktop somewhere, what distro are you using?
[21:53] <danbh_intrepid> !upgrade
[21:53] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, ahh that'd do it, kubuntu-desktop doesn't
[21:53] <hardcore> i tried update manager, nothing about beta
[21:54] <jaxdahl2> hardcore, you ran it with -d?
[21:54] <hardcore> i'm using 8.04
[21:54] <hardcore> whats -d?
[21:54] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: then you should use adept_manager
[21:54] <jaxdahl2> it checks for a dist upgrade
[21:54] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: officially: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[21:54] <l337ingDisorder> brb
[21:54] <jaxdahl2> -d, --devel-release
[21:55] <jaxdahl2> intrepid is still in beta
[21:55] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, hmm so what might I be missing from doing a natural aptitude upgrade then? just worried if I may have old packages or be missing something important
[21:55] <hardcore> is downloading the only way to get beta?
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: yeah, apt-get will fail to do the whole install sometimes, and leave old packages behind.  The devs take care of those problems in the other update tools...
[21:56] <kulight> any way installing skype on x64 system (i get alsa error) when trying to run from terminal
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> hardcore: well, you can download the alternate cd
[21:57] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, yeah I had lots of dependency circles to untangle, but that's why I use aptitude usually since it lest me manage all that
[21:57] <sourcemaker> there are no upgrade notes regarding to encrypted file system using crypto luks...
[21:57] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, but then I'm new to doing things the Ubuntu Way, rather than the Debian Unstable/Experimental Way ;)
[21:57] <danbh_intrepid> : )
[21:58] <l337ingDisorder> kulight: did you install from synaptic or compile from source?
[21:58] <tvakah> however kdesu's missing kdesudo instead? or should I have kdesu instaled still?
[21:58] <l337ingDisorder> kulight: i don't think the 64 ver is in synaptic..
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: I dunno, I know on gnome, we have both gksu and gksudo.
[21:58] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, adept_manager also seems to be outmoded in intrepid, only adept
[21:58] <kulight> i used medibuntu packegs
[21:59] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, adept_manager is old kde3, conflicts with the kde4 adept
[21:59] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: hmmm, well, then thats a bug, eh?  at least in the documentation
[21:59] <tvakah> and there is no kdesu anymore it seems
[21:59] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: if you give me the correct command, I'll change it
[21:59] <tvakah> aye, but the kde4 stuff is all still new, networkmanager's not v4 yet
[22:00] <danbh_intrepid> but Im gona check packages.ubuntu.com to see whats happening
[22:01] <x1250> gnome-volume-control dies with message "No volume control GStreamer plugins and/or devices found". I tried sudo /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart && sudo /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart, but this doesn't work. Any ideas? Generally to fix this issue I must restart X, but I don't want to keep o doing that :(
[22:01] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: looks like you are correct on adept_manager being depreciated
[22:01] <XVampireX> Why doesn't intrepid have nvidia 177.78 yet?
[22:01] <tvakah> XVampireX, it does, install envyng
[22:01] <XVampireX> Ah
[22:01] <XVampireX> Well not as an official binary for ubuntu though
[22:02] <danbh_intrepid> !envyng
[22:02] <XVampireX> I'm just finishing the upgrade :)
[22:02] <arnath02> hi, how is 8.10 shaping up? i mean in respect to the ... trouble ... encountered with the 8.04 release? :p
[22:02] <tvakah> what's the official nvidia driver in intrepid then? restricted-modules no longer has it?
[22:03] <XVampireX> 177.76
[22:03] <XVampireX> instead of 177.78
[22:03] <XVampireX> Which does improve in some respect
[22:03] <hardcore> i'm upgradingright now :)
[22:03] <sourcemaker> are you having problems on you webpage?
[22:03] <kulight> i only got 173
[22:03] <tvakah> XVampireX, not sure then I'm running 173.14.12-1-0ubuntu3 installed by envyng-qt
[22:04] <XVampireX> You're using older hardware then
[22:04] <arnath02> o btw, is there any hope for better multiscreen support in 8.10?
[22:04] <arnath02> got 2 nvidia computers and 1 ati and never did manage to get dual screen to work properly on either of em :(
[22:04] <tvakah> XVampireX, nope it's just what envy reccomended
[22:04] <XVampireX> what card do you have?
[22:05] <tvakah> XVampireX, 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600M GT (rev a1)
[22:05] <XVampireX> Ah okey :)
[22:05] <tvakah> however I'm very seriously looking to get an ati module for my notebook instead of nvidia after all the driver crap with kde4 and etc
[22:05] <hardcore> i noticed they made the new distro a little smaller so it can fit on a cd-r. i always use dvd+rw anyway
[22:05] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: can you test this command for me (if you have kubuntu)?  I'm just curious if it suggests any packages to install: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^                                         dont forget the ^carrot
[22:06] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, what's the '^' do to apt-get?
[22:06] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: it makes it a tasksel
[22:06] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: but doing it with apt-get instead of tasksel, you get to see everything thats happening, and you can say 'no' if you want to cancel out
[22:07] <tuxice> Hello?
[22:07] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, I already had that package installed, but when I ran that apt-get it's suggesting a handfull of upgrades, mostly a bunch of kde4 packages that look to still be at a ppa version
[22:08] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: so you already have those packages?
[22:08] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, actually scratch that, the upgrades are there anyhow due to updating a few minutes ago, kde4's still in flux
[22:09] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: ah, actually, I just figured it, adept_manager IS the correct command, because thats whats on Hardy
[22:09] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, ahhh that makes sense
[22:10] <tuxice> How about this for a wallpaper https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/BrownOrange_Wallpaper
[22:10] <tvakah> so back to about my wireless, where can I file a bug to get it fixed for everyone else too?
[22:11] <tvakah> I'm not sure what package to file against rath er
[22:11] <danbh_intrepid> whats wrong with your wireless?
[22:11] <tvakah> nothing now heh, but I want it to get automagically fixed to Just Work for others ;)
[22:11] <tvakah> I have no hardware kill switch, it's a software kill switch
[22:11]  * danbh_intrepid looks for his favorite bug
[22:12] <tvakah> to turn the kill switch off, I had to load a module for my notebook that wasn't automatically loaded, then poke sysfs
[22:12] <x1250> I'm having a really strange keyboard problem. I can't do "`" and "^" characters with my keyboard, except in yakuake terminal (they work there). In other gnome apps, trying to get those characters results in no output. I'm using spanish - spanish keyboard, but I've tried other ones, and the same thing happens.
[22:12] <danbh_intrepid> bug 259157 is the bug I'm waiting on
[22:12] <x1250> any help?
[22:12] <tvakah> just google for iwl3945 rf kill switch ubuntu and you'll see how common this issue is, I've at least figured it out for asus c90s notebooks
[22:13] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: so, it turns the wifi card on and off?
[22:13] <tvakah> yes
[22:13] <tvakah> the function-key doesn't work under ubuntu, that bit I've still not figured out, but I can poke it through sysfs
[22:13] <tvakah> some fedora guy apparently can get his fn-key to work with a setkeycodes call
[22:14] <danbh_intrepid> where do you think the functionality should go?  network manager?
[22:14] <tvakah> network manager should poke sysfs if it's there for sure, but as to how to get asus_laptop loaded, I'm not sure what should do that detection
[22:15] <danbh_intrepid> bug 267875   how about this one?
[22:16] <tvakah> danbh_intrepid, hmm that seems to be a generic iwl3945 bug, my fix is asus specific afaik
[22:17] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: well, then definitely file a bug
[22:18] <danbh_intrepid> tvakah: and it sounds like you are talking about a problem with the drivers, which AFAIK go under the linux package
[22:18] <EvilDaemon> Guess what's way too cool?
[22:18] <asdf25> anyone had alsa stop working with snd_hda_alsa recently and manage to fix it?
[22:18] <EvilDaemon> I booted up without my ethernet cable, and my wireless works!
[22:18] <EvilDaemon> Now I'm happy.
[22:19] <danbh_intrepid> asdf25: I have sound problems with pulseudio, which kinda relates
[22:20] <asdf25> alsa doesn't work at all for me, and a few other people who filed bugs on launchpad, apparantly started a few days ago... no fix yet that i've found
[22:21] <kimus> hi, I have a problem with compiz when i do the login. compiz does not load
[22:21] <kimus> if I go to appearance, visual effects and enable them then works fine
[22:22] <asdf25> with visual effects disabled i believe it uses metacity as the WM
[22:22] <kimus> when I do my login (after a reboot) it does the same problem...
[22:22] <kimus> no WM is loaded
[22:23] <asdf25> ah well that's not supposed to happen =) no idea
[22:23] <kimus> not loading the compiz with effects enabled every time i login should also not happen
[22:24] <kimus> I'll go to LP then
[22:28] <danbh_intrepid> asdf25: try this, killall pulseaudio             and then run pulseaudio
[22:29] <danbh_intrepid> asdf25: or pulseaudio &
[22:29] <Darfe> pulseaudio -D :)
[22:30] <danbh_intrepid> Darfe: good call!
[22:30] <_Guma> If I install 8.10 beta can I update online when final release is available without re-installing again?
[22:31] <Darfe> is the ctrl+alt+f1 terminal bye bye in 8.10 ? i can't see it :(
[22:32] <danbh_intrepid> Darfe: I can still get it
[22:32] <danbh_intrepid> though, it took a couple tries
[22:32] <Darfe> oki..
[22:33] <platius> !final
[22:37] <jaxdahl> Darfe, my c+a+f1 stopped working when i enabled the nvidia drivers
[22:37] <jaxdahl> it changes to a blank screen, and i can't bring X back, have to ctrl+alt+backspace.. using nvidia 177 and uvesafb
[22:38] <asdf25> danbh_intrepid: hey that did it! thanks
[22:38] <Darfe> jaxdahl, ok i use nvidia to..
[22:39] <Darfe> but i can switch back to f7
[22:40] <jaxdahl> sometimes i can't even switch back. like now
[22:48] <ConstantineXVI> after upgrading, ive noticed some fuzzy lines on window borders and etc.  is that bad?
[22:49] <Teisei> Why does aMSN not start in system tray if it is set to launch on startup ?
[22:50] <_Guma> Is it possible to put 8.10 to sleep? or Hibernate? I am running LiveCD and such option is not available. It is becouse LiveCD?
[22:52] <ConstantineXVI> _Guma: yes
[22:53] <isleshocky771>  I upgraded from Kubuntu 8.04 - kde 4.1 to the new 8.10 beta. I now get an error on login "Could not start kstartupconfig4, Check your installation".  Any direction would help.  Couldn't find anything on the forums.
[22:59] <hardcore> i figured out how to install beta without downloading the cd
[23:05] <_Guma> ConstantineXVI: Is there a way to pull ati driver like you can with nvidia (none open source). Or do you have to download it from ATI site and install it manually?
[23:09] <amon_> hi guys
[23:11] <OsamaK> Will Ubuntu 8.10 includes Python 2.6 and GIMP 2.6?
[23:11] <danbh_intrepid> OsamaK: packages.ubuntu.com
[23:23] <hmuller> crimsun: Are you still working sound related issues?
[23:27] <tacosarecool> hello
[23:31] <tacosarecool> Hello
[23:35] <becky_> ok so I figured out how to get tags displayed in my templates (finally) but when I iterate over the tags it is iterating over all of the tags not just the ones for self: tags_for_model client.Client as btags with counts
[23:36] <becky_> oops: {% tags_for_model client.Client as btags with counts %}
[23:36] <becky_> LOL wrong channel heh
[23:46] <arakthor> howdy, any one know how to create a key ring manually? I can't seem to find any information on it through google.