bucket529Need advice: bug 262478 is a package request for the GPLv2 source code of a commercial package. The company has a .deb of the software for download at http://www.nomachine.com/download-package.php?Prod_Id=6 . The .deb has no license data included and appears to be unrestricted/uncrippled/fully featured. Should I mark this bug Invalid because a deb package is already available? Or Confirmed/Wishlist? Or another option?00:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262478 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Add FreeNX to the repositories" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26247800:11
hggdhjames_w, ping re. bug 192239 -- what do you want to do with it?00:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 192239 in coreutils "rm shouldn't require /proc to be mounted" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19223900:11
james_whggdh: I'm not sure.00:12
james_whggdh: I think it might be possible to close it as fixed in recent versions, but I'm not entirely sure00:12
hggdhdebian (and Jim M., upstream maintainer stated they can only repeat on old kernels, right?00:12
hggdhjames_w, I am not sure either ;-)00:13
hggdhbucket529, I am looking at it00:13
macojames_w: why not needs-packaging since it's not packaged in ubuntu's official repos?00:13
james_wmaco: sorry, I don't understand00:14
james_wit seems there are two questions at the moment00:14
macojames_w: oh sorry, thought you were talking to bucket52900:14
hggdhmaco, you are probably responding to bucket52900:14
james_whggdh: I think it should be "Won't Fix" at the least00:14
james_whggdh: we're not going to fix it, so that should be a first step00:15
macohggdh: i thought james_w said "not sure" to bucket52900:15
hggdhjames_w, k. You'll take care if it, I guess00:15
hggdhcross-lines is fun ;-)00:15
chrisccoulsoni'm really confused now00:15
james_wthanks hggdh00:15
bucket529I'm staying outta this...00:16
hggdhbucket529, I agree with maco: the fact that there is an available .deb somewhere else does not guarantee it will work on a specific Ubuntu version.00:16
hggdhso I would vote for a needs-packaging00:16
hggdhjames_w, my pleasure. I decided coreutils was easier than a lot of other packages here ;-)00:17
james_wheh, there's something a bit wrong about that :-)00:17
hggdhheh... a lot, I would say. But I feel very confortable on it...00:18
persiamaco: Do you have an example bug with failed retrace?  There are a couple answers to the question.00:19
bucket529Thanks for help, everyone. Recommend bug 262478 change from Undecided to Wishlist00:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262478 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Add FreeNX to the repositories" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26247800:20
persiabucket529: On it.00:20
lfaraoneIs https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/277302 a potential security vulnerability?00:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277302 in ubiquity "NetworkManager is starting up "after" ubiquity in only-ubiquity mode" [Undecided,Invalid]00:20
lfaraone(since ubiquity won't update, and if there is a problem in another application (that has been patched) it won't be fixed until after the next reboot.00:21
persialfaraone: It could be a security vulnerability, but it's unlikely to be something the security team fixes.00:21
persiaBecause the interaction between ubiquity and network-manager only happens at install time, either it will get fixed by non-security processes before Intrepid release, or it won't get fixed for intrepid.00:22
lfaraonepersia: Should I mark it as shuch?00:22
lfaraonepersia: and I'm toying with either "High" or "Critical" priorities.00:23
persialfaraone: I wouldn't bother: the security flag really only gets the attention of the security team, rather than having a specific meaning of being a security issue.00:23
hggdhhum. since we are talking about n-m... is it normal for current n-m to acquire two network connections (one wired and one wireless)?00:24
* persia reviews Priority guidance00:24
bdmurrayhggdh: yes, that is00:24
lfaraonepersia: #00:24
lfaraoneCritical: A bug which has a severe impact on a large portion of Ubuntu users00:24
persiahggdh: It wasn't previously normal, but it's not bad necessarily.  Could be different networks, to which the user wishes to be connected.00:24
bdmurrayhggdh: there is only one default route though so it "should" work00:25
hggdhthanks, bdmurray & persia. I actually like it00:25
bdmurrayhggdh: you might find bug 277063 interesting00:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277063 in network-manager "Wired and wireless connection to the same router cause confusion" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27706300:25
macopersia: bug 27729400:26
ubottuBug 277294 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/277294 is private00:26
persialfaraone: I'd go with "Medium" based on "A bug that has a severe impact on a non-core application".  While ubiquity is fairly important, it's not usually installed on anyone's machine, and it only affects people who choose the "only ubiquity" option.00:26
hggdhbdmurray, yes, interesting. In my case, I am connected to two different networks (different routers)00:26
hggdhah, this is a turf I am confortable on... TCP and routes00:27
lfaraonemaco: What about it?00:27
macolfaraone: i was asking what to do with apport failed retrace. persia asked which one00:28
persiamaco: That one still has a core dump: looks like the retracer knows it failed.  In these cases, you might try rerunning the retracer locally against the provided data.00:28
macopersia: ok well i have to run right now, but after the lecture, i'll figure out how to do that00:28
persiaIf the local retrace works, you're all good.  If it doesn't work, then we have a problem, and the best we can do is try to reproduce to get a stacktracde.00:29
persiaThis is a good example because the user provided the data that causes the crash, so we don't want to lose it (otherwise, I'd say close it and tell the user to try again later).00:29
persiamaco: apport-retrace.  Have a good lecture.00:30
* hggdh is going to flicker for a few while playing with network connections00:30
hggdhbdmurray, one of the problems is n-m stomping over the routes00:35
* hggdh is testing00:47
bucket529Recommend bug 261768 change from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'00:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261768 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Kete - Library & Collections Management program for books, media, toys, for communities (ILS)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26176800:55
nhandlerDone bucket52900:58
bucket529nhandler: Thanks!01:00
nhandlerYou are welcome bucket52901:00
hggdhbdmurray, it is indeed a question of routing. n-m is forcing one single external route01:03
bucket529Need advice: bug 261818 and bug 261820 are Undecided/New, yet assigned to someone. Smart way to handle?01:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261818 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] sctplib" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26181801:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261820 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] socketapi" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26182001:04
hggdhbucket529, it sounds like the reporter requested it, and created tentative packages in REVU. We could now either ask for licence data (or search ourselves), or point the reporter to the wiki01:06
hggdhat least RSPLIB is under the GPL, but undisclosed GPL version01:08
lfaraoneHey, what would be the channel for the Ubuntu Regional board for america?01:33
bucket529hggdh: Thanks for the help!01:41
bucket529Recommend bug 261818 and bug 261820 change from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'01:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261818 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] sctplib" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26181801:51
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261820 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] socketapi" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26182001:51
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mrooneyhm, do we always do that?01:52
hggdh|awaymrooney, do what?01:52
mrooneyhggdh|away: mark needs-packaging as wishlist01:53
mrooneyhmm looks like it01:53
hggdh|awayyes, it is in the wiki01:53
hggdh|awaymrooney, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage#Needs%20Packaging%20Bugs01:54
mrooneyokay, bucket529: doubly done!01:54
mrooneythanks hggdh|away01:54
bucket529Whew, I'd hate to think I was the victim of a terribly boring practical joke....01:55
bucket529mrooney: Thanks01:56
mrooneyI wounder if all ~115 of http://tinyurl.com/54jfkq should be wishlisted?02:00
mrooneythose needs-packaging with importance Undecided02:01
mrooneybdmurray: any tips?02:01
bucket529mrooney: I'm poking through a bunch of those. Some are incomplete, others are invalid (in Debian) among the list02:02
wgrantLots of those are inappropriate.02:02
wgrant(they're needs-packaging when they're not)02:02
mrooneyoh, okay02:04
* wgrant is fixing them.02:05
persiaIn addition to bugs that aren't really needs-packaging, there is the occasional needs-packaging but with a higher importance.  If anyone finds a needs-packaging bug for linux-ports-meta, that's probably critical at this point, for example.02:06
wgrantI'd really like to be able to just click on something in that listing and edit it...02:08
mrooneywgrant: hack up a GM script :)02:09
mrooneyEditableListViewScript, mmm02:10
Hobbseemrooney: more usefully, if you check if they're already in ubuntu and/or debian first, and comment along those lines, and then set to wishlist, that'd be good.02:10
bucket529Recommend change bug 263060 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'02:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263060 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] DivFix++" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26306002:30
Hobbseebucket529: did you check if it's in debian/02:32
Hobbseeoh, you did!02:33
mrooneybucket529: okay I wishlisted it02:33
Hobbseedebian bug 47323502:33
ubottuDebian bug 473235 in wnpp "ITP: divfix++ -- repair broken AVI file streams by rebuilding index" [Wishlist,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/47323502:33
bucket529Recommend change bug 263229 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'02:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263229 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] jBrout" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26322902:43
lfaraonebucket529: Done.02:45
bucket529lfaraone: Thanks02:46
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mrooneybucket529: any interest in applying for BugControl?02:55
bucket529mrooney: Perhaps in a few weeks. Still learning the ropes and making mistakes.02:58
mrooneycool :)02:59
lfaraonemrooney: And then there are those of us that cheat and get into bugcontrol as upstream triagers...03:00
* lfaraone points to self.03:00
bucket529Recommend change bug 272210 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'03:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272210 in ubuntu "Megatunix needs to be packaged and added to the repository." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27221003:01
lfaraonebucket529: Done03:02
bucket529lfaraone: Thanks03:02
lfaraoneHey, is it possible to do a bug search for bugs that are in X, Y, and Z packages (in the same search)03:03
mrooneynot that I know of on launchpad itself but I imagine with the python-launchpad stuff03:05
lfaraonemrooney: any additional troubleshootign steps I could instruct https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar/+bug/210174 on?03:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 210174 in sugar "Unable to login to Sugar " [Undecided,Incomplete]03:06
mrooneylfaraone: I am not familiar with sugar, unfortunately03:09
mrooneyso I guess if you don't have questions I would set it to Confirmed03:09
lfaraonemrooney: Well, I can't reproduce the bug.03:11
mrooneybut Pablo confirmed it in comment 703:11
lfaraonemrooney: Ah.03:12
lfaraoneIn any case, we can't fix any of these bugs, since any fixes would require we put in new versions of the software (by that, new features too), and our freeze-exception application is slowly moving.03:13
lfaraone(sugar bugs)03:13
mrooneyis that right?03:14
mrooneyfixes don't require new versions do they? I thought plenty of times upstream patches are cherry picked to solve specific issues03:14
lfaraonemrooney: Well, none of the maintainers (myself included) have the time/ability to cherry-pick those patches. Often they are obscure problems, and the amount of time it would take is great, it's easier for us to just say "use the ppa if you want it to work" than to try to support legacy versions of the software.03:17
mrooneyyeah, I think that is a reasonable position03:18
mrooneyif it is fixed in a new version then you can mark as fix released and maybe wontfix in intrepid or something03:19
mrooneyassuming you know it was fixed in a newer version03:19
lfaraonemrooney: I thought "fix released" was only when those versions are in _a_ ubuntu repo.03:19
lfaraonemrooney: (since intrepid+1 isn't open yet)03:21
charlie-tcamrooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/CommonTasks lets us use "fix released" for upstream if a "release tarball was03:22
charlie-tcaannouned and is publicly available"03:22
mrooneyoh sorry I meant fix committed I think but charlie-tca also raises an interesting point03:23
mrooneyI was thinking fix released for the upstream task but I see there isn't one03:23
mrooneybut I agree lfaraone if you make a reasonably stable PPA available for Intrepid for those who want the upgrade, that seems fine03:25
mrooneyI wonder what impact the growing popularity of PPAs has on backports?03:26
lfaraonemrooney: well, I always feel uncomfortable with PPAs, as they would be a great way for malware to spread...03:39
wgrantmrooney, charlie-tca, lfaraone: The upstream status has little to do with the Ubuntu status. If it's fixed upstream, it doesn't affect any Ubuntu tasks.03:50
wgrantSetting Ubuntu tasks to Fix Committed in that case is incorrect.03:51
wgrantPPAs are also do not count as reasons for bugs to be marked Fix Released.03:51
wgrants/are //03:51
mrooneywgrant: oh, I guess I thought if the upstream was automatically synced then fix comitted was okay, is that only if upstream released?04:13
P5YCH00anybody here04:14
P5YCH00need assitance04:14
mrooneyP5YCH00: there are 102 other people here :)04:14
mrooneywhat do you need04:14
P5YCH00ok so04:18
P5YCH00i instaleld ubuntu04:18
P5YCH00and i opened a terminal04:18
P5YCH00ran CPAN04:18
P5YCH00now configuring it04:18
P5YCH00i come across my first warning says lynx not found04:18
P5YCH00asking me to speficy lynx dir or program04:18
P5YCH00and i did search can't find it some assitance would be great04:18
Hobbseeso, install lynx.04:19
mrooneyP5YCH00: I think you might be better off in #ubuntu, this channel is more for specific bug support04:19
P5YCH00i can't get a simple response04:20
P5YCH00is there a way to install via terminal some how04:20
P5YCH00to get it04:20
ubottuAPT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)04:20
Hobbseesystem, admin, synaptic package manager will also let you install lynx, and anything else in the repositories that you want.04:20
P5YCH00i have question04:23
P5YCH00lynx is a program yes04:23
P5YCH00>=| thats actually a program yes04:23
P5YCH00theres no dir structure ?04:23
mrooneythat looks like a directory structure to me04:24
Hobbsee /usr is a directory, /bin is a directory.04:24
mrooneyI am not sure what you mean04:24
P5YCH00well it asked me04:24
P5YCH00to confirm dirs during the cpan set up04:25
P5YCH00for example it said04:25
P5YCH00whers my gzip progrma /bin/gzip04:25
P5YCH00i went to look manually and the file gzip claims04:25
Hobbseeit automatically checks /usr/bin for programs, afaik.04:25
P5YCH00to be executable04:25
Hobbseebut it's usually /usr/bin/<programname>04:25
P5YCH00it had no file extenstion04:26
P5YCH00thats what i was wondering04:26
Hobbseeextensions aren't required in linux.04:26
P5YCH00it looked likea dir04:26
Hobbseedamn.  trying to install large icons is failing.04:26
P5YCH00when i first saw it04:26
wgrantWhy do you need to use CPAN?04:27
P5YCH00i  need perl04:27
P5YCH00librbarys installed04:27
P5YCH00i program04:27
wgrantsudo apt-get install libperl-something-somethingelse-somethingelse04:27
P5YCH00i type that in terminal04:28
P5YCH00or download that thing04:28
P5YCH00do u know if perl librarys has lynx?04:28
HobbseeP5YCH00: i'm sure all of this can be answered in #ubuntu, as this is not a support channel.04:28
wgrantPlease, #ubuntu04:28
mrooneyoh he went to #ubuntu-quality too, hah04:40
Hobbseemrooney: before?  yeah..04:41
emethow long does it usually take to get into the bug control team?04:55
techno_freakas long as one takes to get experienced ;)05:05
emetI got an e-mail from the gentlemen who runs the Bug Control team, asking me for a bunch of information, which I provided, and haven't heard anything back yet05:07
emetthis was around two weeks ago.. so I'm probably just going to e-mail him again05:08
mrooneyemet: let me see if your application was sent out...05:37
mrooneyemet: would you have applied under a different name than emet?05:38
emetyes jbenjos05:46
mrooneyemet: ah yes that was sent out to the list Sept 23rd though I don't see any replies, generally it takes two people agreeing for approval, I will review it and reply05:47
emetthank you05:48
wgrantivoks: Do you have a little while to debug your Synaptics issue?08:14
ivoksi have time, yes08:15
wgrantivoks: Have you seen my last comment in the bug?08:15
ivoksno, just a sec08:15
ivoksou... let me give it a try08:16
ivokslook like it's ok now08:18
ivoksyes, that's ok now08:18
wgrantivoks: What did you change?08:18
ivokscomment out InputDevice section for Synapticsand InputDevice in ServerLayout08:19
wgrantOK, can you pastebin those sections?08:19
wgrantivoks: Hmmmmmm. I'll have to look into why that didn't work. In the meantime, you can probably disable horizontal edge scrolling in System->Preferences->Mouse->Touchpad.08:22
ivokswgrant: well, to be honest, i do like that function :)08:23
ivokswgrant: i didn't touch xorg.conf since i installed hardy, so i guess this was default in it08:23
wgrantivoks: Ah, yes, probably.08:23
ivokswgrant: thank you for your help08:25
wgrantivoks: No problem. Can you check that you do in fact have a Touchpad tab in System->Preferences->Mouse?08:25
ivoksyes, i do08:25
wgrantivoks: OK, excellent. Thanks for reporting.08:27
ivoksthat's why we have betas :)08:27
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affluxdo we have any policy on milestones? Are bugcontrol-only members expected to set milestones at all?11:13
persiaNot really.11:16
persiaThe contents of the milestones should be controlled by the release managers.11:16
persiaFor the rest of us, we can only ask someone to represent the bug in the release meetings.11:16
persiaEach team has a different way to do this, but for bug-control, it's usually to work through the QA team.  At the last meeting sbeattie represented the QA team, and at the one before that heno.11:17
persiaI don't actually remember the procedure to escalate things for discussion at the meeting : I think there's a wiki page.11:18
* persia needs to do more bug control stuff next cycle11:18
james_wI thought anyone could use milestones for their own purpose11:18
james_wonly if the bug is also targetted to Intrepid do the RMs control the milestones11:18
affluxshould I bring this up on the bugcontrol ml? ;)11:19
james_wI don't think so11:20
james_wthey're only useful if you're going to work on fixing a bug11:20
james_wjust propose for Intrepid if you think it should be RC11:20
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persiajames_w: I thought we were supposed to confirm with some RM for stuff (even MOTU Release), but I could well be mistaken.11:29
james_wI was going to find a reference, but I'm locked out of the wiki11:32
james_wnope, can't find it11:33
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bucket529Recommend change bug 208406 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'13:29
ubottuLaunchpad bug 208406 in ubuntu "[needs packaging] iscan-plugin-gt-s600" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20840613:30
bucket529Recommend change bug 270845 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'13:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270845 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] gnome-icon-theme-extras" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27084513:47
bucket529Recommend change bug 270936 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist' (I don't have permission to change it)13:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270936 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] TV Mosaic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27093613:58
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joumetalcody-somerville: Do you think fixing bug 231130 would save space from livecd?15:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 231130 in ubuntu-wallpapers "simple-ubuntu.png is really elephant-skin.jpg and is toooo big (was converted from jpg to png)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23113015:05
csilkjoumetal,  looks to me as if "fixing i" would save a small amount of space on the CD15:11
csilk*fixing it15:11
cody-somervilleAlready fixed15:29
joumetalI don't think it's fixed. simple-ubuntu.pgn is still 2.6MB.15:38
cody-somervillejoumetal, I'm pretty sure he removed it all together15:42
joumetalcody-somerville: it's still in 0.27 and  in http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu15:44
bucket529Any chance I can convince someone to change bug 208406 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? It's a package request, not currently in Ubuntu or Debian, and the license seems okay.15:44
james_wbucket529: done15:46
bucket529james_w: Thanks15:46
joumetalcody-somerville: probably other wallpaper is removed since simple-ubuntu is not heron wallpaper.15:46
cody-somervillejorgp, okay, reopened the bug15:46
joumetalcody-somerville: thanks.15:49
bucket529Need advice: bug 262044 is a packaging request - but the author discontinued support in 2006. Should I mark as 'Invalid' since this item is unsupported upstream? Or mark as 'Confirmed' like a normal wishlist item?15:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262044 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Sabbu - subtitler for video" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26204415:56
james_wit's possible to package something that is unsupported upstream, if the person doing it is basically willing to take over the role of upstream16:01
bucket529Request change bug 262044 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'.  Not currently in Ubuntu or Debian. License seems okay.16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262044 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Sabbu - subtitler for video" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26204416:09
bucket529james_w: Thank you16:15
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affluxdo you think bug 131679, bug 145360 and bug 191365 are duplicates?16:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 131679 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV when attempting to unlock screen" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13167916:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14536016:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 191365 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with signal 7 in eventLoop()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19136516:33
bdmurraywow, 136 duplicates16:35
affluxif you count them all,  > 20016:36
affluxI retraced some of the newer duplicates locally to get a recent stacktrace and some information about the variables, and all look like the same issue: w does not seem to be accessible16:37
bdmurraythey look the same to me - seb128 what do you think?16:37
bdmurrayafflux: do you have an idea of how many of the duplicates of bug 145360 are from Intrepid?16:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14536016:41
affluxbdmurray: not really16:43
affluxcan check with py-lp-bugs if you want16:43
bdmurrayI was thinking a bug pattern for it might be useful16:43
bdmurrayafflux: I wonder if Duncan has a good test case for this bug too16:53
affluxno idea16:55
affluxbdmurray: around 150 bugs from hardy, 60 from intrepid and < 20 from gutsy.17:15
bdmurrayafflux: sweet, you wrote a py-lp-b script for that?17:17
affluxnot really ;)17:17
affluxsome py-lp-b lines and grep17:17
affluxthey're lost in the backlog, but in case you want it I'll write it agai17:18
bdmurrayeh, its not that important17:19
affluxbdmurray: : http://pastebin.com/f5378dab317:40
bdmurrayafflux: ah, neat!17:43
affluxbdmurray: woops, forgot the email address. Please use http://pastebin.com/m656da63 if you want to re-use it ;)17:45
Hamrais there a list somewhere that tells me what hardware can jockey support? *all* hardware supported by it, does such a list existsomewhere?19:07
bucket529Need advice: bug 262482 - packaging request, but the software hasn't been written yet. There's no release to package. The requestor acknowledged and suggested someone 'track' it. Should I mark it 'Invalid' with a note to reopen/resubmit when there is a release?19:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262482 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Saya - NLE video editor - cross-platform" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26248219:22
bdmurraybucket529: there is no code?19:23
bucket529bdmurray: Nothing released, download page empty, progress ~50%, no link to source.19:26
bdmurrayPersonally, I don't see the utility in having the bug report open.  The only thing it allows people to do is see that there is no software yet.19:27
bucket529bdmurray: Concurrence. 'Invalid' it is.19:29
bdmurraybucket529: it might be worth discussing on the bug squad mailing list, maybe there is something we aren't seeing19:30
balachmarCould someone help me with this bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/27773019:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277730 in update-manager "package update-manager 1:0.93.19 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New]19:32
bucket529bdmurray: I'll be happy to raise it...if the requestor complains of the 'Invalid' status. Wandering the site, it still looks like pre-pre-pre-alpha.19:33
affluxbalachmar: linux-image-2.6.27-4 fails to install with "subprocess dpkg-deb --fsys-tarfile returned error exit status 2". I don't know what that means though.19:35
bdmurrayafflux: which log do you see that in?19:36
affluxbdmurray: apttermlog of bug 27773019:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277730 in update-manager "package update-manager 1:0.93.19 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27773019:36
affluxline 89419:37
bdmurraybalachmar: is that your bug?19:41
bdmurraydpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) - is interesting too19:42
CEis it a known problem that the ubiquity hangs at installation?19:56
CEand how can I collect more data to be able to create a useful bug report?19:56
bucket529Could someone please change bug 262609 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request19:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262609 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] PMB (PhpMyBibli) - integrated library system (ILS)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26260919:56
bdmurrayCE: check http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProcedures to find the Ubiquity debugging procedures19:58
CEthanks a lot, I'll have a look19:58
bucket529Could someone please change bug 262614 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request20:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 262614 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] NewGenLib - integrated library management system (ILS)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26261420:11
chrisccoulsonping thaalton20:29
chrisccoulsonping tjaalton even **20:30
bucket529Could someone please change bug 263488 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request20:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263488 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Visible Human Preprocessing Toolkit For ImageJ - graphic editor for the Visible Human Project" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26348820:37
affluxbucket529: on it20:38
bucket529afflux: Thank you20:39
bucket529Could someone please change bug 263490 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request20:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263490 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Visible Human Multiple Image Processor For ImageJ - multi-image graphics editor for the Visible Human Project" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26349020:39
affluxbucket529: err20:40
affluxwhat's the difference between 263488 and 263490?20:40
affluxthanks :>20:41
bucket529afflux: They are two plug-ins to the same package, imagej20:41
bucket529afflux: Thank you20:43
chrisccoulsonthis tree mendus guy has opened an awful lot of needs-packaging bugs. maybe someone should suggest that he helps package a few of them20:52
bucket529chrisccoulson: I did, weeks ago, on Brainstorm.20:54
chrisccoulsonwhat was the response? it's all well and good opening needs-packaging bugs, but they need someone with the time to actually package them. and looking at some of the upstream source tarballs, it's going to need someone quite committed to actually do it20:56
bucket529chrisccoulson: No direct response.20:57
chrisccoulsonthere are currently 1192 open needs-packaging bugs. that's a phenomenal amount of packaging work to do20:59
bucket529chriscoulson: Well, I'm working my last needs-packaging of the day. Then I'll go learn to triage something else. The endless number of needs-packaging video editors can sit a little longer.21:00
bdmurrayYeah, there isn't really a burning need to do anything with those.21:01
chrisccoulsoni wonder how many older ones are for packages that we've inherited from debian in more recent development cycles21:01
bdmurrayBut Intrepid needs our help!21:01
bdmurraychrisccoulson: I wrote a report that kind of checks for that and I closed quite a few back in August21:01
chrisccoulsonthats good then!21:01
chrisccoulsontalking of intrepid bugs - i came across someone who can only boot the live CD to a text console today (bug 277452)21:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277452 in xorg-server "Ubuntu 8.10 Beta won`t start" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27745221:02
chrisccoulsoni got them to extract the xorg log from the live session, and it seems that no screens are found.21:03
chrisccoulsoni came across a similar report that you touched a few days ago bdmurray (bug 275029)21:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 275029 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "No graphic mode on Nvidia GeForce 6100 using Intrepid LiveCD" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27502921:03
chrisccoulsonboth reporters have nvidia cards21:03
chrisccoulsonthen i came across bug 261977, which appears to be for similar symptoms, but on hardy21:04
bucket529Could someone please change bug 271575 from 'Undecided' to 'Wishlist'? Triaged packaging request21:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261977 in xorg-server "nv is chosen even if it doesn't support the card" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26197721:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271575 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] Q Light Controller - full featured control DMX512 for stage lighting and devices - Excellent" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27157521:04
bdmurraya rar file?21:04
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure why the reporter attached a rar file - i should probably have mentioned it to him21:04
bdmurraymaybe its easier in windows ;)21:05
chrisccoulsonanyway, it seems that there is a problem with the NV driver is chosen for cards that it doesn't support, which is probably the cause of these 2 new bugs21:06
bdmurraychrisccoulson: I think they are different pci ids21:06
chrisccoulsonyeah, i was wondering whether to mark them as duplicates because of this21:06
chrisccoulsonthey're different cards, but probably the same root cause21:07
bdmurrayI'd just comment in both of them21:07
chrisccoulsonno problem21:07
bdmurraychrisccoulson: you might check in #ubuntu-x about those21:08
chrisccoulsoni'll do that shortly.21:09
bdmurrayit's weird that it worked on alpha 621:10
chrisccoulsonyeah, i'm not sure i understand the reason for that21:10
lfaraoneHey, is it bad form to mark bugs you _report_ for your 5-a-day?21:11
greg-glfaraone: as long as you do two others to compensate ;)21:16
lfaraonegreg-g: I just reported 15 bugs (sync requests on a suite of packages)21:22
greg-glfaraone: those are workflow bugs, not really triage, imo21:23
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mrooneyanyone mind confirming bug 277812?22:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277812 in ubuntu-website "Typo on beta page: "support for an secret"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27781222:06
bucket529Need advice - bug 161977 affects some Ubuntu mirror sites, not a package. I imagine this should go to the Ubuntu Mirror Admins team. Is it polite to mark it 'Confirmed' and assign it to that team? If not, best way to handle?22:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 161977 in ubuntu "[Ubuntu Mirroring] cdicons in htaccess should use relative paths" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/16197722:09
bdmurraymrooney: done, but now that I think about it more the text is copied from a wiki.ubuntu.com page so if you can find that it'll get fixed for RC / Final22:09
mrooneybdmurray: okay, let me find it22:12
bdmurraymrooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/TechnicalOverview#Encrypted%20private%20directory22:16
mrooneyyeah I just changed it :)22:16
hggdhbucket529, did you check if this is still an issue? The report was against Gutsy22:21
hggdhbucket529, yes, it seems to be still an issue...22:24
hggdhbucket529, I do not know whom to send it. Perhaps bdmurray will22:25
* bdmurray is looking22:29
bucket529hggdh: Thanks for looking into it22:29
bdmurrayI think I found someone who could fix that22:40
bdmurrayso bugs like that belong to the ubuntu-cdimage project22:44
bucket529bdmurray: ubuntu-cdimage it shall be. Thank you for the help22:45
bdmurraybucket529: it's already been updated22:45
bucket529bdmurray: Thanks for stopping me...I was just about to screw up your hard work.22:46
bdmurraybucket529: it was really someone else but thanks ;)22:47
bdmurrayWe've recently mentioned ubuntu-website and ubuntu-cdimage I wonder if it would be useful to have a list of not Ubuntu the distribution but Ubuntu related projects wiki page.22:50
hggdhit might help indeed22:53
hggdhat least I would not ping you for that ;-)22:53
Hamrawhy would X remember it's settings after a reboot, and then forget them after the another reboot?22:55
Hamrabug 27677022:56
hggdhshort memory? ;-)22:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 276770 in xserver-xorg-video-nv "Driver for nvidia 7950 gt don't work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27677022:56
* charlie-tca sounds like "old"22:56
bdmurrayhggdh: I sure there are more I've forgotten too ;)23:04
nhandler_Someone prepared a patch for a minor bug. However, the package is auto-synced from Debian. As a result, we should send the patch upstream to Debian, and then wait to sync it. I have already added a comment telling the user to send the patch upsream, and added a Debian bug watch (without a url) to the Launchpad bug. What status should I give to the Ubuntu bug? It does not require any work, it is complete, but we ...23:32
nhandler_... really shouldn't upload the patch. Won't Fix?23:32
mrooneynhandler_: no I think that belongs as Confirmed, until it is properly sent upstream, then Triaged23:33
nhandler_mrooney: Doesn't triaged signify that a bug has all of the information required for a Dev to begin working on it?23:34
mrooneythat or that it has been sufficiently handled in Ubuntu and the ball is in upstreams hands23:35
mrooneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Status doesn't seem to indicate that so either I am wrong (although I am pretty sure about it) or that page needs updating23:36
mrooneybdmurray: any hints?23:36
bdmurraynhandler_: how minor?23:37
bdmurrayTriaged sounds the most correct23:37
nhandler_bdmurray: It is a string fix. I actually think mrooney reported the bug ;)23:37
bdmurraywell, lets see that bug!23:37
mrooneyBasically I think triaged is to signify that the bug package needs no more work in launchpad until more work is done elsewhere23:38
nhandler_Never mind, mrooney just changed the status and subscribed to it ;) LP: #25082423:38
mrooneybug 25082423:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 250824 in pylint "pylint manpage refers to wrong directory as See Also" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25082423:38
nhandler_mrooney: This bug will never need any more work on our end. We will either need a separate bug report for the sync, or it will be automatically synced. This Ubuntu bug serves no purpose IMO23:39
bdmurraywell, it prevents others from submitting it23:39
bdmurrayor it might23:39
mrooneyyeah I think it serves a purpose from the side of users23:40
bdmurraynhandler_: but it would take work on someone's part to close it right?23:40
mrooneyI wonder why I set it to Medium though...23:40
mrooneyit should be Low, I imagine?23:41
bdmurrayyeah, low sounds right23:41
nhandler_bdmurray: The package is automatically synced from Debian. Once Debian applies the changes, someone would have to create a sync request bug (which would be separate from this bug). Or, if we wait until Jaunty, it will be automatically synced (no bug report)23:41
bdmurraynhandler_: couldn't the debian changelog reference the lp bug number?23:42
mrooneyyes then it should close automatically, right?23:43
nhandler_bdmurray: That would be up to the Debian Maintainer. In my experience, they usually only close the Debian Bug Report when they patch the bug, not the Launchpad one23:44
balachmarbdmurray: yes bug 277730 is my bug. Can I help in any way?23:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277730 in update-manager "package update-manager 1:0.93.19 failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27773023:45
mrooneysorry, got bit by a bug, did I miss anything?23:48
nhandler_No you did not mrooney23:49
bdmurrayThere are arguments on both sides that make sense23:50
mrooneyI always assumed Triaged was the best status to signify that the work belongs upstream and upstream is aware of it23:53
mrooneythough I can see where it can leave dangling reports if the bugs aren't linked and no one notices23:53
mrooneythough how harmful a fixed dangling report is, who can know.23:54
hggdhnot really -- if we set a watch on the upstream, we will know when it was closed23:54
bdmurrayits still would require manually work on someone's part to close it which is unfortunate23:58

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