[00:00] <[Solars]> don't have speakers [00:00] <[Solars]> i think ubuntu-desktop gives you kde gnome and some other stuff [00:00] <[Solars]> or i can build up from xorg [00:02] <[Solars]> dunno might keep you on speed dial :) [00:07] * [Solars] checks cd to make sure the server cd burnt well [00:08] ubuntu-desktop gives u gnome [00:08] kbuntu [00:08] is kde [00:08] <[Solars]> ahh [00:08] <[Solars]> i never actually played in kde [00:08] its not my preference [00:09] <[Solars]> looks wierd [00:09] i like minimalistic [00:09] xfce is even smaller [00:09] but i dont liek the default look [00:09] and if i mess [00:09] with themes or looks [00:09] it will end up so ugly [00:10] and un usable [00:10] ill reinstall [00:10] <[Solars]> lol [00:10] <[Solars]> heh didn't know people still use xfce === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] [00:13] <[Solars]> for large data volumns what fs you like [00:13] <[Solars]> ext3? [00:17] ZFS ^^ [00:17] <[Solars]> zfs? [00:17] how lare are you looking at? [00:17] <[Solars]> 1TB for main area [00:18] <[Solars]> ./boot is only 500mb. / is 1.3TB, and swap is 1.5GB [00:18] ext3 would be fine [00:19] ZFS is suns file system [00:19] its pretty much amazing [00:19] I have a file server at home tunning freebsd 7 and i have some disks with ZFS [00:20] <[Solars]> i vaguely heard of it [00:20] its quite powerfull [00:20] with disk snapshots [00:20] and maintiaing backsups etc [00:23] <[Solars]> can i upgrade from ext3 to zfs if i choose to? [00:24] its a migration [00:24] and [00:24] zfs support in linux [00:24] is hight experimental [00:24] right now [00:25] <[Solars]> figured as much [00:25] <[Solars]> documentation for it in ubuntu referres back to 7.10 [00:25] <[Solars]> so its been around for a little bit [00:26] <[Solars]> doc also say they are working on an ext4 [00:27] meh [00:28] <[Solars]> it was a interesting read to say the least [00:28] <[Solars]> takes for ever to format ext3 on 1+TB [00:31] ext4 has been in devel for a few years [00:31] <[Solars]> figured as much [00:32] also, zfs wont make mainline linux, as its CDDS (or whatever suns free licence is) [00:36] yes [00:36] Stallman is a GPL nazi [00:36] BSD license > [00:37] You can use our stuff just don't sue us [00:38] ZFS is amazing though I am glad they are rolling it in to FreeBSD [00:38] i wouldn't use it as a root system but for storage its pretty pro [00:39] * [Solars] must now has to determine "which install package i want" [00:39] <[Solars]> sshd and prolly samba [00:39] you goign to use cifs? [00:41] <[Solars]> common internet file system? [00:42] <[Solars]> i mostly want to use samba as media storage [00:44] <[Solars]> i suppose i could just install samba myself afterwords [00:44] i liek doign stuff post install [00:45] <[Solars]> is the preinstall sshd worth doing (not sure what other packages are included with that) [00:46] New bug: #277327 in samba (main) "Installing wine makes samba shares unaccessible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277327 [00:49] <[Solars]> they need to stop wineing! heh [00:50] i install base sshd [00:51] pdate immediatley though [00:53] <[Solars]> heh should pay you to ssh to my box after its done setting up and have you fix everthing lol [00:55] <[Solars]> bah i will just install nothing at first [00:55] lol [00:55] its more fun to learn yourself [00:55] <[Solars]> yea [00:56] <[Solars]> but makes my wife measerable [01:00] <[Solars]> woot i got a nakid system! [01:05] trashguy - what is pdate that you mentioned mean? [01:05] too late [01:06] <[Solars]> hell be back [01:07] k.. thanks. I just got a server up and running too... my wife got me a 1U for our anniversary [01:08] stainer: as in, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade [01:08] as whatever version of openssh is distributed on the install cd has already been updated [01:08] gotcha [01:09] update... I understand now... sorry... I have a North Carolina public education [01:10] whereas the North Carolina private schools have apt in their curriculum? :-) [01:10] hahaha [01:11] I started with Slack 3.1, no apt with that. tar -zxvf, make, make install [01:12] <[Solars]> heh i started with slack 2.9! [01:13] love ubuntu though, its the first time I could get wireless working on my laptop [01:15] http://pastie.org/284003 <-- ideas? (package installed, binary still doesnt exist no surprise its ruby related) [01:17] macd: what does dpkg -L rubygems say É [01:17] macd: ? [01:17] it says its installed [01:17] macd: which PPA are you using ? [01:18] macd: like /usr/bin/gems [01:18] macd: > [01:18] macd: >? [01:18] wait, dpkg -L rubygems doesnt have a binary at all, lket me see it rubygems1.8 does [01:18] macd: gem1.8 ? [01:18] yeah, gem1.8 @ mathiaz is the binary [01:18] but it fails epicly at doing anything [01:19] http://pastie.org/284005 [01:19] mathiaz, the ruby/gems from the PPA work fine, I was trying the packaged ones in intrepid. [01:20] macd: the version in intrepid is not 1.2.0+2008081901 [01:21] hardy, Im sorry. [01:21] macd: in intrepid it's 1.3.0~RC1really1.2.0-2ubuntu2 [01:21] macd: hardy is 0.9.4-4 with 1.1.1 from hardy-backports [01:22] macd: where did you get 1.2.0+2008081901-0ubuntu1 from ? [01:22] apt-get update then apt-get install rubygems [01:22] macd: what's your sources.list ? [01:23] mathiaz, http://pastie.org/284011 [01:25] macd: hm - the only place where 1.2.0+2008081901-0ubuntu1 exist is in the ubuntu-ruby-backports PPA [01:25] and I dont use that repo [01:25] well I do, but not on this machine... [01:25] this is a fresh hardy install [01:27] macd: hm - I don't know then. Have you downloaded the deb from the PPA and manually installed it ? [01:28] mathiaz, nahh, this is the second boot of the vm as well, first was to uncomment sources.list and dist-upgrade, then rebooted to install ruby+gems from the repos [01:28] I can try purging them, and reinstalling [01:28] macd: that would help [01:31] mathiaz, so rubygems or libgems-ruby1.8 ? [01:31] macd: try both [01:32] they can't coexist [01:32] one removes the other on install [01:32] let me try a few things, and I'll stick it all in a pastie === stainer is now known as stainer_ [01:42] mathiaz, bleh I had a entry in sources.list.d/ I must've put it in my base VM image, thanks for the help. === stainer_ is now known as stainer === fReAkY[t] is now known as freaky[t] === PrivateVoid_ is now known as PrivateVoid [03:42] <[Solars]> so now i am getting [03:42] <[Solars]> "sudo: unable to resolve host hel" [03:43] <[Solars]> should the host be resolved to localhost [03:44] <[Solars]> blah i just nuke and start over :P [03:51] New bug: #277370 in bind9 (main) "apparmor exception missing for keytab" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277370 [04:51] as i got no response nowhere im also askin here [04:51] what a hell happened to ndiswrapper i was using TEW424 usb adapter for wireless [04:51] but since i upgraded/renstalled to new version my pc freezes when try to connect [04:51] to my ruter i need to hard reboot,i fonund out 128bit WEP works ok but not WPA. somebody? [04:51] it was workong ok on the previsious release 7.10 i think. [05:11] mathiaz: ping [05:11] mathiaz: just tried to install ebox and i can't [05:11] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [05:11] libebox: Depends: libjs-scriptaculous but it is not installable [05:11] Depends: libjs-prototype but it is not installable [05:11] nxvl: which package are you trying to install ? [05:12] ebox [05:12] nxvl: and you've enabled the ebox ppa ? [05:12] yup [05:12] mathiaz: This reminds me of my mail to ubuntu-server the other day. If we aren't going to fix the packages, should we just remove them? [05:13] ScottK: I'd rather try to get them fix instead of removing the package [05:13] ScottK: we are testing it [05:13] nxvl and mathiaz: OK. I got the impression from the meeting minutes that we were just telling people to use the PPA. [05:13] ScottK: we've been kind of pushing people to use ebox instead of webmin - so I don't think it would be a good idea to just drop ebox from intrepid. [05:14] mathiaz: the weirdest part is that that package is not on the ppa [05:14] ScottK: well, it was some testing needed to grab the packages from the ppa [05:14] mathiaz: I agree, but better nothing that one that's broken. [05:14] OK. [05:14] ScottK: and that's what we are doing [05:14] :D [05:14] ScottK: agreed on that [05:14] ScottK: ok. The plan is to test the version in the PPA and if it works well then we'll start to do a FFexecption request. [05:15] nxvl: I've tested the ppa on monday and it was working then. [05:15] mathiaz: Did you see the mail about mailman updates today? [05:15] nxvl: do you have universe enabled ? [05:16] ScottK: yes - I haven't looked at the version in debian though. [05:16] wait [05:16] I don't have time to deal with an FFe, but I at least looked at their changelog (NEWS) and test built the package and it looks reasonable for an FFe to me. [05:16] is a problem with my sources.list [05:16] :S [05:16] mathiaz: ^^ [05:16] or it looks like [05:16] ScottK: ok. [05:17] ScottK: is it a big new release ? or more a bug fix ? [05:17] heh [05:17] found the problem [05:17] ScottK: I don't remember the rationale for updating the version in the email. [05:17] i was testing it in my hardy chroot [05:17] :D [05:17] mathiaz: A few minor features. Almost all bug fixes. [05:17] It's a sync from Debian. [05:18] ScottK: oh - that makes things even simpler then. [05:18] I just don't have time to deal with it ... [05:18] nxvl: yes - I'd suggest you to try on intrepid instead :D [05:18] ScottK: I'll have a look at it. [05:19] mathiaz: :D [05:19] Great. [05:19] ScottK: if it's not done after i finish with the ebox FFe i will take care of it [05:19] It's be nice to be able to answer that mail, "Because it was released after the autosync stopped. Thanks for pointing it out, it's in Intrepid." [05:20] i'm looking for some quick tasks to do after hours and/or at dead times when waiting for end process to finish [05:21] btw, Fedora 10 beta is more broken than Ubuntu alpha 3 [05:21] \o/ [05:21] nxvl: make Ubuntu rock ! <- Task [05:21] mathiaz: \o/ [05:22] * nxvl waves on NCommander [05:22] * NCommander waves nxvl [05:27] NCommander: How's glib on hppa going? [05:27] Oh yeah, I was working on that [05:27] Yeah, so your wiki page wouldn't be a lie. [05:27] the wiki cake is a lie [05:28] * NCommander rofls [05:28] slangasek, Portal fan? [05:29] <[Solars]> erm i want to make a script for managing files .. i.e. check to see if they are done download, move *.blah files to /my/dest, and rm-rf old files after x days [05:29] <[Solars]> whats the best way to do this? [05:29] the cake is a lie! [05:30] ScottK, the source package is glibc2.0, right? [05:30] i'm about to give up with schroot [05:30] * NCommander pulls out a portal gun and makes slangasek's alpha disappear [05:31] slangasek, do you have any experience with the Windows NT ports? [05:31] NCommander: That sounds right. [05:31] ScottK, its building, but it looks like sbuild is the issue, so I'm trying to rule that out first [05:31] Great. [05:32] I guess I should fix kde4bindings while I'm at it :-/ [05:32] NCommander: not a fan, just helpless in the face of memes [05:32] NCommander: glib2.0, not glibc2.0... [05:33] slangasek, right, typo ;-) [05:33] NCommander: No point until glib is fixed. [05:33] slangasek, how about All Your Bases Are Belong To Us [05:33] and what kind of "experience" are you looking for? I know how to upgrade the console on an alpha so that it no longer boots NT. [05:34] slangasek, well, I'm trying to remove Windows NT PowerPC, but its having some sorta death grip and is resisting all attempts to removing it [05:34] mmmno. [05:34] I think for that one, you need to get an old Apple designer, a young Apple designer, and some holy water [05:35] Meh [05:36] It's my luck that I get the only RS/6000 that doesn't come with AIX, but evil [05:41] oh, there's a distinction: "not AIX, but evil" [05:41] Obviously you've never been a Windows NT Server admin. Having done the former, I'll take AIX any day of the week [05:44] I've done both. === freaky[t] is now known as fReAkY[t] [05:56] Man, HPPA is s.l.o.w. [06:00] ScottK, it seems the entire configure script can crash sh :-) [06:01] NCommander: Kewl. Have fun. [06:01] You have no pity :-P [06:02] I was nice to a senile old man today. [06:02] ScottK, you were nice to slangasek ;-) [06:02] ^? [06:02] NCommander: Error: "?" is not a valid command. [06:02] ..... [06:02] NCommander: No. [06:02] * NCommander shrugs [06:02] NCommander: He's younger than I am. [06:03] How old are you ScottK ? [06:03] 45. [06:03] * ScottK is ancient. [06:03] wow, you probably remember the PDP-11 and COBOL [06:03] They relevant old man was in his late 70's or in his 80's. [06:04] NCommander: Yep. I've dropped a COBOL card deck and had to re-sort it. [06:04] I hope it was numbered [06:04] That would have helped. [06:04] I honestly don't recall. [06:06] That's pretty [06:06] It builds fine on Debian [06:06] WHY DOES UBUNTU ON HPPA HATE ME [06:06] because hppa is hateful [06:07] Because you radiate negative waves that attract this kind of pain. [06:07] I think its a problem with dash [06:07] otherwise stated: because you're there [06:07] I think I'm just not smart enough to run ;-) [06:07] NCommander: the correct questions is "Why are you playing with such a weird arch" :D [06:07] nxvl, blame ScottK [06:08] yeah, ScottK is evil [06:08] :D [06:08] * nxvl HUGS ScottK [06:08] nxvl, so you like seeing me in pain? [06:08] :o [06:08] no [06:08] just like hugging ScottK [06:08] * NCommander hugs ScottK [06:08] NCommander: see, it's funny [06:08] * slangasek waves his cane menacingly at NCommander [06:09] slangasek, remember, I'm an EMT. If you have a heart attack at UDS, guess who's resurrecting you ;-) [06:09] * ScottK considers buying new glasses so he can read the new LP fonts. [06:09] Be nice to the people who may potentially be saving your life :-) [06:09] NCommander: He doesn't get heart attacks, he gives them. [06:09] ScottK: use 800x600 :D [06:10] ScottK, I'll have to use my amulet of reflection :-) [06:10] NCommander: are you going to UDS? [06:10] I wish ;.; [06:10] UDS's are fun [06:11] but don't even try to talk to slangasek, it's almost impossible [06:11] on Prague i asked him to check a bug and he almost bite me [06:11] :P [06:11] nxvl, don't worry, I bet you have your rabbies shot ;-) [06:11] ScottK: a useful reputation to have, but for all my trying I've yet to be able to stop someone's heart remotely [06:12] just found why gnome-art is so shitty: ruby [06:12] :D [06:12] * nxvl dances [06:12] ew [06:12] nxvl: huh, seriously? did you interrupt me in the middle of a libtool rant? [06:13] slangasek: Same here. I have, however, quite literally, made a grown man cry. [06:13] ScottK, WTF did you do? [06:13] slangasek: heh, no, you came into the server track, and you look a little hurry, then i asked and you said "probably not now i'm quite busy" [06:13] (you were on mi side IIRC) [06:13] my* [06:13] nxvl: ah :) [06:14] it was in a middle of session, so it was understudable [06:14] :D [06:14] all of us were really busy [06:14] NCommander: It was when I was in the Navy. I was the investigating officer (regular officers do this for minor offenses in the military) of a case where a guy was charged with stealing some stuff. [06:14] YOu were an officer? [06:14] NCommander: He claimed the other guy had left it out and he had just picked it up for safe keeping. [06:14] Yes. [06:15] * NCommander has considered a military carrier at times [06:15] I merely pointed out that he had been caught stealing before and so wasn't very credible on the topic. [06:15] and he started crying? [06:15] * NCommander guesses it was the thought of dishonorable discharge [06:16] Once I got through explaining you can plead guilty and it will suck or you can not plead guilty and it will really suck and he got it, then he started crying. [06:16] Yeah. Other Than Honorable actually. [06:16] DD you only get from a courts martial. [06:17] A general discharge isn't quite frowned upon as a dishonorable dicharge [06:17] ScottK: you were in the navy? [06:18] General is a step up from other-than-honorable. [06:18] nxvl: Yes. [06:18] wow [06:18] 5 years active duty and another 4 in the reserves. [06:18] * NCommander has thought about joining the Marine Corps [06:18] I have a huge amount of respect for those guys. [06:19] is there even a 20% of americans not in the army? [06:19] nxvl: The military is less than 1% of the population. [06:20] i mean is/was [06:20] Ah. [06:21] I'd guess less than 10% have ever served. [06:21] Before 1972 there was a draft, so it was higher. [06:21] ScottK, I haven't joined at my parents requests [06:21] But its pulled strongly on my mind [06:21] I can understand their position. [06:21] Either coast guard, who gets shit on, but get my respect, or the marine corps [06:22] i've some friend who are in the Peruvian Navy [06:22] NCommander: You know why you have to be at least 6 feet tall to join the Coast Guard? [06:22] and they all tell this stories from his first year in the Navy school [06:22] ScottK, seriously? Damn it. I'm an inch too short [06:22] of all the jokes to the "dogs" (that's how they call the newly started in the navy school) [06:23] NCommander: No. It's so you can walk ashore if your ship sinks. [06:23] ;-) [06:23] * NCommander falls over [06:23] The coast guard however has my respect [06:24] Until '01, they were the only group that actively did their mission of guarding the US coastlines and such. [06:24] there is one that they make them eat a button, which is tied to a (thread?) [06:24] and they they pull that out [06:24] Lovely. [06:25] and as you can imagine, all your food come after the button [06:25] ew [06:25] There is a difference between proper indoctrination/training and hazing. [06:25] ScottK, I joined the fire department for the chance to serve [06:25] ScottK: not in peru [06:25] It's not the military, but the experience is amazing [06:25] The US military is generally pretty good about being on the right side of the line on that. [06:26] or they come on the morning and fill your bread with salt (all the salt they can find) and make you eat that [06:26] ScottK, same in the FD, though to less of the same extent [06:26] * NCommander remembers he had his boots filled with shaving cream [06:26] NCommander: Yeah, well the motto of the Marine Corps is that every man is a Rifleman. The motto of the Navy is that every man is a firefighter. [06:26] FD? [06:26] Fire Department [06:26] oh [06:26] ScottK, well, after WWI, fire departments became paramilitary [06:27] things are way different here [06:27] Our department was created by some caption from WWI, [06:27] NCommander: I did have to go through fire fighting training. You can't serve on a US Navy ship without it. [06:27] ScottK, welcome to the hot seat [06:27] Well, fire at sea is incredibly dangerous [06:27] from 80 fire stations only 20 are opened, because the other 60 doesn't have budget even to put gas on the vehicles [06:27] We had a ship go up in our harbor [06:27] It was one thing when I know it was a school and I was pretty confident I wasn't going to die. [06:27] and the firemans are volunteers, they doesn't get paid [06:27] One of the most terrorifying calls ever [06:27] nxvl, I'm volunteer [06:27] NCommander: here EVERYONE is volunteer [06:28] there is no paid fireman at all [06:28] ScottK, the people who take their job as a ship firefighter have cast iron balls [06:28] We practice a lot and it's not like you've got anywhere to go if it doesn't work out. [06:28] YEah, well, its our worst nightmare to get lost in a building [06:29] I can imagine. [06:29] Your average cruiser is freaking maze [06:29] If you're assigned to it you know it though. [06:29] and it's sad that they are volunteers, they make it for nothing and sometimes they need to use their own money to maintain the firestation [06:29] The only thing you have over us is that collaspe risk is much lower than ours [06:29] Yep. [06:29] You'll be dead before that metal will melt likely [06:29] Not necessarily. Some of the ships have aluminium super structures. [06:30] You'll still be dead, cause the moment you go through the deck plating, you'll get roasted alive [06:30] Yeah. [06:31] NCommander: so, you are a full time fireman? [06:31] Nope, volunteer [06:31] I heard a lecture by the Damage Control Assistant on the USS Stark when it got hit. It got so hot when fighting the fires that his nylon underwear melted to his body. [06:31] I get my nuts roasted for no compensation [06:31] that means you whenever you want? [06:31] OW [06:31] fuck. [06:31] Yeah. [06:31] He didn't make much of it. [06:32] Yeah, well, I've seen the remains of our gear when it fails [06:32] Damn, guy is lucky to have anything ... still working if you catch my drift [06:32] There was another guty that stood IN the missile magazine for 18 hours straight cooling a bulkhead so the missiles wouldn't get hot enough to cook off. [06:32] Yep. [06:33] Gun powder is amazingly stable stuff [06:33] Its got to get REALLY hot being bullet starts flying [06:34] Right, but these have solid fuel rocket motors. [06:34] The one that always irks me is the exploding extinguishers [06:34] They have the fuel and the ozixidizer all in one. [06:34] Little known fact [06:34] Fire extinguishers explode in fire [06:35] Makes sense. [06:35] <[Solars]> you mean co2 expands when it gets heated!? [06:35] (well, CO2 ones have a release value, so they don't, but foam ones will go with the force of a few sticks of TNT at least, and water ones become ballistic missiles) [06:35] [Solars], actually, CO2 extinguishers have a safety release [06:35] So they *shouldn't* explode [06:35] The ones that really explode are foam ones [06:36] The other fun home cannister: the little old man with O2 and cigarettes [06:36] Bad combination [06:36] <[Solars]> NCommander i was being sarcastic :) [06:36] * [Solars] is also a vff [06:36] \o/! [06:36] [Solars], O2 bottles scare me shitless [06:36] I was a volunteer dummy for the EMT-B examination [06:37] Someone in the other room dropped the bottle [06:37] The regulator snapped right off [06:37] * ScottK used to SCUBA dive, so I know what happened next. [06:37] The bottle hits the ground, goes flying, and goes through two walls [06:37] i used to dive :D [06:37] THe regular shot through the ceiling, took out a comptuer and a desk and embedded itself in the second floor ceiling (we think, we never found it ....) [06:38] I personally think the regulator shot through the roof, but we couldn't find an exit hole so .... [06:38] In the Navy we didn't use compressed O2 for breathing, we had chemically generated Oxygen. [06:38] Sounds slightly safer [06:39] That's the theory. [06:39] ScottK, we have O2 for patients, us fire junkies use regular air. Still danger, but less likely to explode [06:39] *dangerous [06:39] RIght. [06:39] http://www.tpub.com/content/advancement/14325/css/14325_346.htm [06:40] Oh, so you strap the bomb to your front ;-) [06:40] Yeah. Basically. [06:40] But better than scattering a bunch of compressed air bottles throughout the ship. [06:40] Yeah [06:41] They don't blow up though, then just get a 'little warm'. [06:41] We use composites [06:41] So in theory if it fails, you shouldn't have shrapnel [06:41] * NCommander knocks on wood [06:41] Or at least softer shrapnel. [06:41] Given what we do to some of our packs, I'm suprised we haven't had a few rockets flying [06:42] ugh i forgot how hard was to start in a new project [06:44] ScottK, anyone who can be a naval firefighter has my respect, the marines say the firefighters don't know danger, but yah know, I think being shot is better then dying rather crispy [06:44] ScottK, at least you didn't have to deal with pets [06:44] True. [06:45] Our last house fire was a farm ... with 15 or so cats, a bunch of ducks, two cows, and I think a turtle [06:45] THAT was fun. [06:45] Those cats were absolutely phycho, one of them tried to claw my boss into minic meat [06:47] Well that's all very unpleasant, but you don't have the prospect of a 500 mile swim if you don't beat the fire. It can be very motivating. [06:48] I've always been suprised at the lack of hallogen fire supression systems [06:48] I would think it would be eaiser to seal the bulkheads of an advacing fire, and then beat the fire by removing the O2 [06:48] They do have it in the main engineering spaces. [06:49] hallogen is awesome [06:49] Scary [06:49] But awesome [06:49] Yeah. [06:49] Ever get to see a hallogen system deploy? [06:49] Nope. [06:50] Ship I was on never had a serious fire. [06:51] We did have a major fuel oil leak once that was kind of exciting, but it didn't go up. [06:51] I've used a hallogen extinisher [06:51] (aka, the oh shit extingisher) [06:51] You get a lingering cloud of death when you use it [06:51] Another advantage shipboard is a lot of firefighting stuff is installed. [06:52] But do they work ;-) [06:52] We had a dual firemain system that would deliver water or AFFF most anywhere on the ship. [06:52] * NCommander can remember plenty of times when the supression system fails [06:52] Yes. [06:52] The worst case that I'm aware of is 1 Merdian Plazza [06:52] In PA [06:52] I'm thinking more of hoses and water/afff and such. [06:53] ScottK, your probably old enough to remember that fire, it was one of the largest co-flaguations and LOF calls before 9/11 [06:53] No. [06:54] I remember when the Philly police burned down an entire block of Philadelphia. [06:54]