[00:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: no one, being too drunk is decreasing the probability of cuddling ;-)
[00:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: for the record, how many unread bug mails do you have? :P
[00:34] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: suggestions on how to debug 276239 ?
[00:34] <JontheEchidna> bug 276239
[00:34] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 276239 in kde4libs "ctrl-c (copy) not work in kde4" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/276239
[00:35] <JontheEchidna> I would check if he has klipper running first
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> without klipper things become fliddly
[00:36] <JontheEchidna> *fiddly
[00:37] <apachelogger> poor klippy
[00:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: are you commenting?
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> I could
[00:39] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: go ahead
[00:40]  * JontheEchidna comments
[00:40] <apachelogger> everything else in libs revised
[00:40] <apachelogger> I am wondering what we should do about bug 269615 though
[00:40] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 269615 in kde4libs "dolphin trying to access volume(ext3) from places does not work" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/269615
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> It regressed for me, I can't access usb devices anymore
[00:41] <apachelogger> did we borrow that patch somewhere?
[00:41] <JontheEchidna> maybe it's a hal issue?
[00:43] <apachelogger> possible
[00:43] <apachelogger> but I think it is more likely that the patch is just incompatbile
[01:00]  * ScottK sits and rests for the 15 kid free minutes in the schedule tonight.
[01:07] <apachelogger> hm
[01:07] <apachelogger> ~order tea for ScottK
[01:07]  * kubotu gives ScottK a nice hot cup of tea.
[01:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: bug 41662
[01:07] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 41662 in kdebase "Output of Print to PDF from KDE apps has "dancing" characters" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41662
[02:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: kde rev 867629
[02:15] <ubottu> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=867629&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 867629
[02:15] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: <3
[02:28] <nixternal> apachelogger: a tone
[02:28] <nixternal> ton rather
[02:28] <nixternal> well, dist-upgrade from hardy->intrepid == extreme failure
[02:28] <nixternal> booting ubuntu live cd to backup my data so I can reformat/reinstall
[02:29] <apachelogger> oh
[02:29] <apachelogger> nixternal: what failed?
[02:29] <nixternal> well, the upload went ok, I had to keep doing -f install && dist-upgrade && -f install
[02:29] <nixternal> not the best route of course
[02:30] <nixternal> now it starts to boot up, goes into screen flicker, and just dies
[02:30] <apachelogger> hm
[02:30] <apachelogger> I would say kdm goes wocka
[02:30] <apachelogger> try starting it manually or take a look at the log
[02:31] <nixternal> doesn't even get to kdm
[02:31] <nixternal> you can't boot into anything worthwhile
[02:31] <apachelogger> nixternal: I also want to mention atht we don't support dist-upgrade for complete series  :P
[02:32] <apachelogger> bug 153829 we have a google sidebar? Oo
[02:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 153829 in kdebase "Suggestions displayed incorrectly in Google sidebar" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/153829
[02:32] <nixternal> this sucks
[02:33] <apachelogger> nixternal: don't you have your home on a seperate partition?
[02:36] <ryanakca> Is there a metapackage in Intrepid to pull in all the kde4 packages (kde4-games, etc)
[02:37]  * apachelogger almost started crying from eaglescreen's english
[02:38] <apachelogger> ryanakca: kde4
[02:38] <apachelogger> or
[02:38] <apachelogger> kde
[02:38] <apachelogger> actualy
[02:38] <ryanakca> apachelogger: Ah, that would explain it, thanks :)
[02:40] <nixternal> apachelogger: ya I do, but I still backup to be safe
[02:40] <apachelogger> sensible
[02:44]  * apachelogger turns of the laptop and goes sleepy sleep
[02:44] <apachelogger> nini
[02:49] <nixternal> how is the daily cd? does it work?
[02:49] <ryanakca> nixternal: the Alternate CD + LVM works OK... it's slow though
[02:50] <nixternal> hrmm
[02:50] <ryanakca> I didn't try it without LVM though
[02:50] <nixternal> lovely
[02:50] <nixternal> I knew I should have not gone through with this, but I wanted to see :)
[02:52]  * ryanakca was living with a broken KDE* + GDM + fluxbox on intrepid for the longest time, until I finally got around to reinstalling today :)
[02:56] <ScottK> nixternal: I had that problem and I went into recovery mode, used xfix, rbooted and it was fine.
[03:11] <ryanakca> Would I file a bug for changing the default card deck of Klondike be against kubuntu-default-settings or kdegames?
[03:12] <jtechidna> ryanakca: probably default-settings
[03:17] <ScottK> Speaking of which, have you noticed how ragged the card faces are in 4.1?
[03:17] <ScottK> They were much better in 4.0
[03:19] <ryanakca> ScottK: bug 277909
[03:19] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277909 in kubuntu-default-settings "Default KPatience deck doesn't scale" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277909
[03:19] <ScottK> H.
[03:19] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:20] <ryanakca> ScottK: Thing is, you can't even find the deck in the ``Choose Deck'' box...
[03:20] <ScottK> ryanakca: I'll see your 277909 and raise you Bug 277193
[03:20] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277193 in kdegames "Card faces for all kdegames card games poorly rendered" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277193
[03:21] <ScottK> For me the card backs are fine, it's just the face.
[03:21] <ScottK> And there's only one set of card faces and they are the same, so it's something else.
[03:22]  * ryanakca nods... 
[03:23] <ryanakca> If you go F10, select Show old style decks and unselect it, no matter what you do (other than rm kpatrc), you can't get the ugly deck back...
[03:23] <ScottK> Hmmm
[03:24] <ScottK> That wasn't selected for me.
[03:27]  * jtechidna goes to bed
[03:28] <ScottK> ryanakca: In the lskat U/I I can get the old one back and I see what you mean.
[03:31] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: The same old syle card face looked great in 4.0 though.
[03:31] <ryanakca> Hmmmm....
[03:32] <nixternal> well, it is Kubuntu...at the splash screen it just goes and starts jumbling up the screen
[03:32] <nixternal> not good
[03:33]  * ryanakca doesn't know... I would as soon change the default deck... but that doesn't solve the issue that we have a ``defective'' deck.
[03:34] <ScottK-laptop> nixternal: Did you run xfix?
[03:34] <nixternal> that worked
[03:34] <nixternal> thanks ScottK-laptop
[03:34] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Great.
[03:35] <nixternal> weird, I couldn't get there after doing the dist-upgrade though
[03:35] <nixternal> no biggy, I needed to wipe the system anyways
[03:35] <ryanakca> nixternal: mine jumbles up after the splash screen... sometimes... for random amounts of time... No clue why though...
[03:36] <nixternal> sys tray still looks like crap
[03:36] <vorian> oh boy, those faces are messed up big time
[03:36] <nixternal> adept looks a bit nicer
[03:37] <nixternal> actually quite a bit nicer
[03:37]  * ryanakca nods... and kubrick kills X here
[03:38] <nixternal> heh, jesus there are a lot of bugs right from the get go
[03:39] <ryanakca> when making an rc under kde-rc-files, do you only include the parts that need to be changed from default, or do you stick in the whole default and modify the lines than need to be changed?
[03:49] <vorian> the problem with kdegames is in libkdegames/carddecks/cards-default
[03:50] <ScottK-laptop> Cool.
[03:51] <ScottK-laptop> Please don't tell me sftp is broken in Konqueror in KDE4?
[03:51] <vorian> hmm
[03:52] <ScottK-laptop> If I right-click on a file in Konqueror, the copy option is not active.  This is a problem.  Hints anyone?
[03:53] <ryanakca> ScottK-laptop: Same problem... Copy To > works though
[03:54] <ScottK-laptop> Except if you want to copy to a remote target (say using sftp) you can't do it.
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> Copy works in Dolphin.
[03:56] <ScottK-laptop> Then I even get the lovely 'paste one file' option in Konqueror, but greyed out and inactive.
[04:00] <vorian> hmm
[04:00] <vorian> that is very odd
[04:00] <ScottK-laptop> And extremely problematic.
[04:00] <ScottK-laptop> Does it work for you?
[04:01] <vorian> nope
[04:01] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I have another one for my "Hey, we REALLY need to fix this before release" pile.
[04:03] <vorian> yeah, no cut, copy, or paste
[04:05] <ryanakca> Added patch to the KPatience bug... dunno if it's worth taking... imho, the Oxygen deck is better looking than the current default... and it scales :)
[04:05] <ScottK-laptop> vorian: Did you say you figured out the card deck problem in kdegames?
[04:06] <vorian> not yet
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> Oh.
[04:06] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: Let's give vorian a chance to figure out what's wrong with the current default first.
[04:06] <vorian> it has something to do with the default deck
[04:06]  * ryanakca nods
[04:06] <vorian> once you select another deck, default is no longer an option
[04:07] <ScottK-laptop> I can get back to in in lskat.
[04:07] <ScottK-laptop> in in/it in
[04:14] <ScottK-laptop> Found the bug.  Bug #277122
[04:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 277122 in kdebase "konqueror cut and copy on contextual menu disabled" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277122
[04:16] <vorian> oh bother
[04:22] <nixternal> man, intrepid kde4 is yummy
[04:23] <nixternal> spoke way to soon :P
[04:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Get to work.
[04:44] <ScottK-laptop> Right, so my tentative conclusion is that the official KDE answer is something like, "Konqueror isn't a file manager anymore so it won't do what you want.  You should use Dolphin, because we removed that functionality from Konquere, but Dolphin doesn't actually do what you want either."
[04:49] <ScottK-laptop> Gah.  Fish is so 1998.
[04:51] <ScottK-laptop> In other news, where does kdeinit stuff like this live: http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/linkwontopen.png
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[05:42] <nixternal> alrighty, back up and running darn close to normal
[05:43]  * nixternal pets eclipse+subclipse
[05:52] <ScottK> OK.  Pretty please whip me up some file copy/paste goodness for Konqueror.
[05:57] <nixternal> holy shite!
[05:58] <nixternal> my wifi light comes on in intrepid, my audio buttons work, and my bluetooth is working
[05:58]  * nixternal hugs intrepid
[06:01] <Jucato> ScottK: could it be that bug is in Intrepid only? my Konqueror on KDE 4.1.2 on Hardy is working fine
[06:01] <Jucato> ah wait, not in fish :)
[06:01] <nixternal> ahh, was just gonna say, c/p works here
[06:01]  * nixternal tries fish
[06:02] <Jucato> bit ;pca; ot wpls
[06:02] <Jucato> but local it works
[06:02] <Jucato> (wtf did I type up there?)
[06:02] <nixternal> lol
[06:02] <ScottK> I can't copy/paste any individual files.
[06:02] <nixternal> ScottK: I just did with a fresh intrepid install here locally
[06:02] <ScottK> I can use the copy-to option, but that only works locally.
[06:03] <Jucato> ScottK: local files, i have copy and cut in the right-click menu
[06:03] <ScottK> And it works?
[06:03] <nixternal> I just did from fish:// as well
[06:03] <nixternal> ScottK: yes it works
[06:04] <Jucato> hahah I spoke too soon... now it doesn't work, even locally
[06:04] <Jucato> (disabled)
[06:05] <Jucato> restarted Konq and it works for local files. it does copy/cut
[06:05] <nixternal> hrmm, we need to update our deps on libsensors3 to libsensors4
[06:06] <nixternal> I can't install lm-sensors w/o losing all of my -dev stuff
[06:07] <ScottK-laptop> It's a little late now.
[06:07] <nixternal> not good
[06:08] <nixternal> that makes using Kubuntu at work on my desktop no good
[06:08] <nixternal> Intrepid that is
[06:09] <nixternal> ksysguardd and kdebase-workspace-dev need fixing
[06:09] <ScottK-laptop> It's only got 15 rdepends.
[06:09] <nixternal> ya, snmpd is a big one
[06:09] <ScottK-laptop> Maybe you could get a FFe for it.
[06:09] <nixternal> that means I can't use Ubuntu for our appliance
[06:09] <nixternal> argh, I wish I would have at least followed that a bit closely
[06:10]  * ScottK-laptop barely avoids managing to restrain himself from asking 'where the heck were you two months ago'?
[06:10] <nixternal> working
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> I bet you were also sleeping.
[06:10] <nixternal> about 6 hours a day
[06:10] <ScottK-laptop> Bah.  Sleep is for the weak.
[06:11] <nixternal> work + travel == I don't feel like looking at a computer when I am not doing either of the 2 :)
[06:11] <ScottK-laptop> Right.
[06:11] <ScottK-laptop> Speaking of which I gather you're not moving out this way?
[06:11] <nixternal> I blaim it on Hobbsee! she always made sure rdepends were always fixed :P
[06:11] <nixternal> not moving out there anytime soon now
[06:12] <nixternal> unless my company moves out there
[06:12] <ScottK-laptop> It didn't sound like it.
[06:12] <nixternal> which isn't gonna happen
[06:12] <ScottK-laptop> BRB.
[06:13] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  I need to go clean the kitchen.
[06:13] <nixternal> yay, sounds like fun :)
[07:34]  * Hobbsee boots nixternal into the middle of next year
[07:37] <nixternal> :P
[07:58]  * NCommander boots Hobbsee and overrides her bootloader with some sorta sappy love note
[07:58]  * NCommander runs
[07:58] <NCommander> j/k
[07:58] <NCommander> This is what I get for reading xkcd
[08:00] <Hobbsee> ewww
[08:00]  * Hobbsee nukes NCommander
[08:00] <Jucato> !hobbsee | NCommander
[08:00] <ubottu> NCommander: I phear the stick so shhhhh
[08:00] <NCommander> O_O;
[08:00] <jussi01> :D
[08:00] <NCommander> When the heck was THAT added to the bot
[08:00] <jussi01> !-hobbsee
[08:00] <ubottu> hobbsee has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2007-05-10 14:42:04
[08:01] <jussi01> a long time ago
[08:01] <NCommander> no kidding
[08:01] <jussi01> !amaranth | NCommander
[08:01] <ubottu> NCommander: Stabbity stab
[08:01] <NCommander> The nice thing about Hobbsee's stick is its metric, thus its incompatible with my imperial systems
[08:01] <jussi01> NCommander: there are lots of little "easter eggs" in it
[08:01] <NCommander> !ncommander | NCommander
[08:01] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ncommander
[08:01] <NCommander> Nope
[08:02] <NCommander> ;.;
[08:02] <NCommander> !ScottK
[08:02] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scottk
[08:02] <jussi01> !jdong
[08:02] <ubottu> <Hobbsee> jdong: yes, but you're FULL OF CRACK!
[08:02] <NCommander> Pity
[08:02] <NCommander> !safbdl
[08:02] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about safbdl
[08:02] <NCommander> hrm
[08:02] <Hobbsee> NCommander: I keep telling you, it's multi-dimensional, and not contstrained to one system.
[08:02] <NCommander> !Riddell
[08:02] <ubottu> Sorry, I don't know anything about riddell
[08:02] <Hobbsee> !msgthebot
[08:02] <ubottu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (type also /msg ubottu Bot). Don't use commands in the public channels if you don't know if they really exist. Also avoid adding joke/useless factoids.
[08:02] <Jucato> no, I think the nick was/is pitti :)
[08:02] <NCommander> Ok
[08:02] <NCommander> I'm stop
[08:02] <jussi01> NCommander: hrm, you are now officially botabusing!!! :P
[08:02] <NCommander> *I'll
[08:03] <NCommander> Hobbsee, and I keep telling you if your stick of DOOM worked, my life would be absolutely screwed and destroyed by your repeated abuses of it
[08:03] <stdin> oh jussi01, I disabled the bugSnarfer in the main channels and the offtopic ones, it tends to generate spam. people will mostly post links to the bugs anyway
[08:03] <NCommander> Thus, I am saved by the illogicialness of America
[08:03] <stdin> still works in dev-land though
[08:03] <jussi01> stdin: yeah :)
[08:04] <NCommander> speaking on the bot, why does it break on bug #1
[08:04] <ubottu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1 (Won't display info)
[08:04] <Hobbsee> NCommander: well, i can boot you from here, if you want :P
[08:04] <NCommander> ....
[08:04]  * NCommander worships the Hobbsee 
[08:04] <stdin> NCommander: because the text is over 1MB large and it fails to pars in time anyway (times out)
[08:04] <jussi01> stdin: I was going to do it when I saw the hilight, but figured you would have done it already
[08:04] <stdin> *parse
[08:06]  * jussi01 hugs the channel - intrepid is blazing fast compared to hardy :D
[08:24] <eagles0513875> morning jussi01
[09:24] <dvoid_>  tried to install the latest 8.10 beta yesterday, could not even get the installation to work :(
[09:24] <dvoid_> if i start the desktop from cd everything is broken when kde4 starts, all fonts a really big etc
[09:24] <dvoid_> and if i start the installation (from the boot meny)  it loads for a while then stops and all i get is a black
[09:24] <dvoid_> screen with a mouse cursor
[09:25] <dvoid_> tried the failsafe graphics mode but no difference
[11:12] <\sh> apachelogger: ping kde4bindings, could you make pykdeuic4.py chmod 755 pls?
[11:15] <\sh> apachelogger: and ln -s /usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py ? :) it's all gone again
[11:18] <Salze> Hi. I'd like to file a bug report concerning Guidance Power Manager, but I'm not sure where the right place is. The homepage seems rather old, and on Launchpad it says that development is not done on launchpad. Can anyone give me a hint in the right direction?
[11:19] <stdin> !bug
[11:19] <ubottu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots
[11:19] <Salze> Thank you.
[11:41] <steveire> Hi. Just said this in kubuntu-kde4, but probably better for the dev channel. Hi. I've just seen this bug: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172139. I think I saw that kubuntu patches the kontact configuration in some way regarding kjots. Is this a kubuntu bug?
[11:41] <ubottu> KDE bug 172139 in general "after installing kjots, knotes dissapeared from kontact configuration" [Normal,New]
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[12:44] <jussi01> steveire: its a weekend, so many of the devs are not here, you may have to be somewhat patient - please dont feel ignored :)
[12:45] <steveire> jussi01: Sure :). I never understood why people leave themselves logged into irc all the time, even though they are nowhere near the computer...
[12:46] <jussi01> steveire: its so you can read back and not have missed any of the devel discussions
[12:46] <jussi01> saves time and effort for other people
[12:46] <\sh> steveire: because it's groovy to come back on mondays and read all the messages to you from strange people
[12:46] <steveire> jussi01: Oh, right. That's what mailing lists are for :)
[12:47] <\sh> steveire: well no...
[12:47] <steveire> \sh: Ah, lurkers...
[12:49] <\sh> steveire: it's much easier to ssh to my irc proxy then to configure an email client whereever I am...the irc client is always on..not my email client
[12:50] <steveire> I use knode/gmane for all mailing lists, so that's pretty easy access. So does everyone have an irc proxy?
[12:51] <\sh> steveire: at least I have, can't speak for others
[12:51] <\sh> hey allee
[12:52] <jussi01> I have quassel :D
[12:52] <jussi01> with a core on my server
[12:52] <allee> hi \sh
[12:52] <steveire> What's quassel? I mean is everyone who's here but not here using an irc proxy or quassel? What are the alternatives?
[12:54] <jussi01> !info quassel intrepid
[12:54] <ubottu> quassel (source: quassel): distributed, Qt based, IRC client using a central core component. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.0-0ubuntu6 (intrepid), package size 2244 kB, installed size 4224 kB
[12:54] <steveire> jussi01: So you run your own server with that on it, or you pay for a service that keeps it running or what?
[12:55] <jussi01> steveire: I have a server in a friends business, the same one kubotu ubottu ubot3 run from
[12:57] <\sh> jussi01: /me too :)
[12:57] <steveire> jussi01: Ok, but most people. Do most people run their own server with that? The reason I'm asking is I want to try it out, but I don't run my own server.
[12:58] <jussi01> steveire: many people have accounts on friends servers
[13:00] <steveire> jussi01: Is there a third party service for that kind of thing?
[13:00] <jussi01> steveire: you can rent a virtual server/internet space from many places...
[13:11] <jtechidna> Riddell: bug 278066 seems to be a regression to me
[13:11] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 278066 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid] Coverswitch is missing textarea showing the name of current selected application" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278066
[13:13] <jtechidna> and the report is from an upstream dev D:
[13:18] <jussi01> jtechidna: nice blog post :D
[13:18] <jtechidna> jussi01: thanks, I had been waiting all day for kdebase-workspace to get published with the new patches to write it
[13:18] <jtechidna> tooltips! \o/
[13:20] <_gunni_> Where can i enable tooltips? Did not find it till now.
[13:20] <jussi01> jtechidna: so when will it hit?
[13:21] <jtechidna> update now, it hit last night
[13:21] <jtechidna> about 10 hours ago
[13:22] <_gunni_> jtechidna: Where can i enable tooltips?
[13:22] <jtechidna> _gunni_: if you have latest updates as of now, right click on an empty part of the taskmanager and click configure task manager
[13:23] <jtechidna> you will have to restart plasma after you update
[13:23] <_gunni_> Hmm, i am up-to-date (cube works, so think all is right, and did a xserver restart), but no option in task-manager-settings
[13:28] <jtechidna> omg, it disappeared
[13:28] <jtechidna> oh well, bbl
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[14:57] <stdin> has anyone ever heard of, or used, Qxt (Qt eXTension library)?
[15:13] <jussi01> man I miss the "extract here" contextual menus.... :(
[15:18] <claydoh> there is a servicemenu in a ppa for that (as well as others)
[15:18]  * claydoh grabs link..
[15:19] <claydoh> https://edge.launchpad.net/~samrog131/+archive
[15:20] <claydoh> he has some extra plasmoids as well
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[15:22] <jussi01> claydoh: thanks!
[15:23] <claydoh> I use the two-row taskbar
[15:28] <jussi01> hrm, that still doesnt give me extract options, weird. but it does give me some nice compress and root stuff
[15:28] <jussi01> :D
[15:31] <jussi01> hrm, maybe it just didnt like a straight tgz, but yeah. :D is nice. thanks again claydoh :)
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[16:06] <ryanakca> Hmmm... anybody else getting something like http://ryanak.ca/~ryan/broken_systray.png ?
[16:06]  * ryanakca goes looking for a bug report
[16:21] <ScottK-laptop> ryanakca: No.  Did you just upgrade kdebase-workspace and did you restart plamsa after?
[16:22] <ryanakca> I reinstalled intrepid, upgraded... rebooted. Today more upgrades. Instead of only having one update-notifier running, and throwing a bubble every time it checks for new upgrades, it starts a new one... from the looks of it.
[16:22]  * ryanakca hasn't upgraded to today's yet
[16:42] <jussi01> hrm, lncelt seems to have a bug, with double entries for a lot of things - anyone else got this?
[16:48] <nixternal> jussi01: ya, I noticed that as well
[16:51] <nixternal> I don't get konsole's split windows
[16:51] <jussi01> well at least its not just me :)
[16:51] <nixternal> and I wish there was a way to shrink the border width of splits in yakuake..I did it once last year and I can't remember how I did it
[17:31] <eagles0513875> i commend  you guys on the improvements made to the cdless upgrade method
[17:32] <eagles0513875> prior to this implimentation it used to be a nightmare having to update source list ending up with double entries and then the udist upgrade breaking ones entire system
[17:34] <ScottK-laptop> Odd.  I've been doing cdless upgrades since Dapper and never once had any problems like that.
[17:35] <eagles0513875> ScottK-laptop: i have had issues where it breaks my install and i would have to reinstall
[17:35] <eagles0513875> knock on wood the new implimentation hasnt done that for me
[18:06] <jussi01> can someone with vlc try confirming a bug for me?
[18:10] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone here using Konversation in Intrepid, what happens if you click on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_outdate.txt
[18:12] <jussi01> sorry ScottK, only got quassel here :/
[18:15] <jussi01> if someone comes in and can test on vlc in intrepid, please open a movie/stream that is stereo, then go to: audio -> audio device -> mono. on my machine it zombies, cant close, cant do anything except/logout restart. The stream still plays though, although without sound.
[18:17] <ScottK-laptop> http://www.kitterman.com/kubuntu/linkwontopen.png is what I get with an unmodified Konversation.  I think I have a fix, but I want to make sure it isn't just me before I package it.
[18:19] <jussi01> ScottK: hang on, Ill open konversation and join here, however youll need to post the link again when I get here
[18:19] <ScottK-laptop> Thanks
[18:20] <ScottK-laptop> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/intrepid_outdate.txt
[18:21] <jussi01> hrm, opens in open office for me
[18:21] <ScottK-laptop> jussi_: ^^
[18:21] <ScottK-laptop> OK.  Me too after my fix.
[18:22] <ScottK-laptop> I'm about to conclude that something deep and fundamental is broken in my upgraded install.
[18:22] <jussi01> ScottK-laptop: sounds that way
[18:22] <ScottK-laptop> So the question is what and how to we fix it so it doesn't happen after release.
[18:24] <jussi01> yeah, this here is a clean install of intrepid, no upgrade
[18:25] <ScottK-laptop> Anyone with a Hardy -> Interpid upgrade that can try ^^^?
[18:26] <jussi01> So anyone able to confirm or deny my vlc bug?
[18:36] <apachelogger> ScottK: [12:12:37] <\sh> apachelogger: ping kde4bindings, could you make pykdeuic4.py chmod 755 pls?
[18:36] <apachelogger> [12:15:24] <\sh> apachelogger: and ln -s /usr/share/kde4/apps/pykde4/kde4.py /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PyQt4/uic/widget-plugins/kde4.py ? :) it's all gone again
[18:36] <ScottK-laptop> I didn't change anything about that.
[18:36] <apachelogger> well, from my investigation you did :P
[18:37] <apachelogger> so, I guess you didn't remove it for some reason
[18:37]  * apachelogger has to introduce a -dev=>lib dep anyway
[18:38]  * ScottK-laptop needs to run off and sclep kids around
[18:39] <ScottK-laptop> sclep/schlep
[18:46] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK-laptop: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase_4.1.2-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff
[18:59] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop: I am confused
[18:59] <apachelogger>   * Move pykdeuic4 to python-kde4-dev (LP: #250285)
[18:59] <apachelogger>     - Change python-kde4.links to python-kde4-dev.links
[18:59] <apachelogger>     - python-kde4-dev conflict/replace python-kde4 (=< 4:4.1.1-0ubuntu2)
[19:00] <apachelogger> the links change is actually there, but pykdeuic4 still seems to go to python-kde4 according to the .install
[19:10] <apachelogger> bug 250285
[19:10] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 250285 in kde4bindings "pykdeuic4 missing in python-kde4-dev" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/250285
[19:11] <apachelogger> I don't get that issue
[19:11] <apachelogger> at all
[19:11] <apachelogger> -kde4-dev depends -kde4, -kde4 included pykdeuic4
[19:12]  * apachelogger notes that this report lost it's point, the finder of it gets a free blog post 
[19:17] <apachelogger> ok
[19:17] <apachelogger> now kate crashed
[19:17]  * apachelogger curses kde4bindings and does some sensible work
[19:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdeartwork_4.1.2-0ubuntu1_to_ubuntu2.diff
[19:29]  * apachelogger pokes ryanakca in the eye for filign stupid bug reports
[19:36] <smarter> apachelogger: "/usr/share/icons/Locolor" << shouldn't it be locolor?
[19:36] <apachelogger> smarter: why?
[19:37] <smarter> I've never seen an uppercase directory in /usr/share/icons
[19:37] <apachelogger> hehe
[19:37] <apachelogger> now that is a bad justification
[19:37] <smarter> I have /usr/share/icons/locolor, but no Locolor on my system
[19:37] <smarter> is that better? :P
[19:37] <smarter> bbl
[19:38] <apachelogger> no
[19:38] <apachelogger> I show mine
[19:39] <apachelogger> -(~/412/art/kdeartwork-4.1.2/IconThemes:$)-> cat CMakeLists.txt | grep color
[19:39] <apachelogger> set(iconthemes crystalsvg Locolor ikons kdeclassic slick kids nuvola )
[19:39]  * apachelogger clearly wins :P
[20:08] <smarter> apachelogger: okay, but that's a typical UUOC :P
[20:10] <apachelogger> smarter: not if you don't have gnu grep but replaced it with a ruby script which is much more useful for debian packaging
[20:11] <smarter> you replace grep with a ruby script? oO
[20:11] <smarter> *replaced
[20:12] <apachelogger> yus
[20:12] <apachelogger> I used ack-grep before
[20:12] <apachelogger> which is btw, also much more useful for $anything than gnu grep
[20:14] <smarter> what does it do that is so much better?
[20:14] <apachelogger> smarter: it got builtin license checking :D
[20:14] <apachelogger> which is about everything :P
[20:16] <smarter> :)
[20:29]  * apachelogger thinks that his pbuilder is screwed up :|
[20:56]  * ryanakca gingerly rubs his eye
[20:56] <ryanakca> apachelogger: what bug report would that be?
[21:00] <apachelogger> ryanakca: the one about knotify4 manpage
[21:04] <apachelogger> ScottK-laptop, Riddell: http://aplg.kollide.net/kubuntu/debdiffs/kdebase-runtime_4.1.2-0ubuntu2_to_ubuntu3.diff
[21:05] <jussi01> apachelogger: you are on fire tonight!
[21:08] <apachelogger> jussi01: I always am ;-)
[21:08] <jussi01> :D
[21:10] <ryanakca> apachelogger: eh, I thought you might need something to do :)
[21:11] <apachelogger> ryanakca: I spent 1 hour fixing that bug just to get rid of it as it polutes the bts
[21:12] <apachelogger> would have been much more sensible to list all apps in -runtime that need one, and even then the manpages would be pointless because most of the stuff in runtime doesn't accept any arguments beside the default kde-qt one
[21:12] <apachelogger> +s
[22:24] <jussi01> nixternal: drunk ircing is A very bad idea (TM)
[22:24] <nixternal> hahhaha
[22:25] <nixternal> LUG meeting, but we taste all of Chicago's favorite beers
[22:25] <nixternal> though I am drinking some from Colorado right now
[22:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: I may be able to look into some of those later tonight.
[22:41] <apachelogger> awesome :)
[22:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 278177 don't we ship pinentry-qt4 by default?
[22:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 278177 in kdepim "Kontact: No possibility to enter en- or decryption passphrase --> "passphrase" is invalid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278177
[23:04] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/paste.ogg
[23:10] <jtechidna> Riddell: I think you forgot to update debian/patches/series when you added my patch
[23:10] <jtechidna> ^_^
[23:31] <danimo> Riddell: ping?
[23:32] <jtechidna> Riddell: I'll fix series and fix bug 278102
[23:32] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 278102 in kdebase-workspace "[Intrepid] Shaders for cylinder and sphere effects are not installed" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/278102
[23:37] <jtechidna> but first food ;-)