[00:00]  * wgrant watches loggerhead's machine burst into flames.
[00:20] <Tomcat_> Anything wrong with LP at the moment? I'm not getting any pages any more.
[00:20] <Tomcat_> Plus a lot of "try again" pages.
[00:21] <Tomcat_> And the second I tell it to someone, it works again. ;)
[00:24] <Tomcat_> And again...
[00:24] <kiko> Tomcat_, hmmm
[00:24] <kiko> Tomcat_, edge or no edge?
[00:24] <Tomcat_> No edge.
[00:24] <kiko> Tomcat_, OOPS or no OOPS?
[00:24] <Tomcat_> Needs minutes to send or receive any page. Although it was back to normal for a couple of minutes.
[00:24] <Tomcat_> What's oops?
[00:25] <kiko> an OOPS code is triggered when launchpad times out or fails
[00:25] <kiko> it's rendered in the page
[00:25] <bdmurray> ubuntu bugs is timing out for me too
[00:26]  * wgrant is happy - edge is working fine.
[00:26] <Tomcat_> Oh, okay. Didn't see that currently.
[00:26] <Tomcat_> Only need to close one more bug, then I'll go to bed anyway. :D
[00:26] <kiko> bdmurray, timing out where?
[00:26] <bdmurray> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[00:28] <Tomcat_> "Try again" page again.
[00:28] <Tomcat_> No oops.
[00:28] <kiko> bdmurray, with OOPS or no OOPS?
[00:28] <bdmurray> no OOPS
[00:28] <kiko> bdmurray, on edge?
[00:28] <bdmurray> kiko: no
[00:28] <kiko> grumble
[00:29] <kiko> bdmurray, Tomcat_: can I ask you guys try edge for now?
[00:30] <Tomcat_> Sure.
[00:30] <kiko> nobody in #is is around
[00:30] <kiko> and I need to skip out
[00:30] <kiko> if something really bad happens
[00:30] <kiko> bdmurray, just ring me at 55 16 9112 6430
[00:30] <kiko> thanks
[00:31] <bdmurray> what's really bad?
[00:32] <kiko> i.e. everything stops working completely
[00:32] <wgrant> Hmm, I was thinking we should have a LOSA around now, but of course it's Saturday.
[00:32] <bdmurray> kiko: got it ;)
[00:32] <kiko> yeah
[00:32]  * wgrant bans the usual working week division.
[00:32] <kiko> saturday in australia :-/
[00:33] <Tomcat_> Thanks guys.
[01:10] <wgrant> Grmph, now edge is timing out too.
[01:15] <Rinchen> is it now?
[01:15]  * Rinchen looks
[01:16] <wgrant> Rinchen: As both prod and edge are being stupid, I presume the Postgres server is angry...
[01:16] <Rinchen> seems to be working for me at the moment :-)
[01:16] <Rinchen> or rather :-(
[01:17] <wgrant> Try https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[01:17] <wgrant> OOPS-1008EA5
[01:17] <Rinchen> perfect
[01:17] <wgrant> (you can probably find loads of other oopses that are actually there, however)
[01:17] <wgrant> But I guess you can see the traceback anyway.
[01:18] <Rinchen> that oops isn't done baking yet so I can't see it.  I'm trying to get one myself
[01:19] <Rinchen> lp devs get the traceback if we get an oops
[01:19] <Rinchen> so it's handy to diagnose things on the fly
[01:19] <wgrant> Rinchen: Right, that's what I meant by there would be some that were already visible.
[01:20] <Rinchen> let me get off edge and onto production
[01:20] <wgrant> Can you not reproduce on edge?
[01:20] <wgrant> Grr, it works for me now on edge.
[01:20] <Rinchen> no
[01:20] <Rinchen> ok your oops is done baking
[01:20] <wgrant> Only a couple of minutes until the OOPS is available, anyway...
[01:20]  * Rinchen reads.
[01:21] <wgrant> Ah.
[01:22] <Rinchen> wow
[01:22] <Rinchen> yeah, that was a spectacular timeout
[01:22] <wgrant> Which query is borked?
[01:22] <Rinchen> it's not just one
[01:22] <wgrant> Ah, right.
[01:23] <Rinchen> 9 if I'm reading this correctly
[01:23] <Rinchen> which points to maybe something else awry
[01:24] <Rinchen> I'm going to poke our DBA
[01:24] <Rinchen> he's not awake yet but I'll leave him a message
[01:25] <wgrant> stub's in Thailand, isn't it?
[01:25] <wgrant> Er, isn't *he*
[01:26] <Rinchen> yes
[01:26] <Rinchen> 7:30am
[01:27] <Rinchen> ok, got him
[01:27] <wgrant> Excellent.
[01:27] <Rinchen> he'll be here in an hour or two to take a look
[01:27] <wgrant> Thanks.
[08:40] <BUGabundo> is some one looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/183685 ?
[08:40] <BUGabundo> users are going crazy in there!
[08:40] <BUGabundo> lots of unsubcribe  requests!
[08:46] <wgrant> Some of the users who complain that they have unsubscribed are clearly still directly subscribed.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: it's a weekend...
[08:47] <wgrant> Hmm.
[08:47] <wgrant> I guess it's particularly unobvious how to unsubscribe from that bug, because there are lots of dupes.
[08:48] <Hobbsee> oh, classy.  an autoresponder.
[08:48] <wgrant> It has stopped now, fortunately.
[08:49] <wgrant> I suspect that somebody should reorder those portlets.
[08:50]  * Hobbsee ponders subscribing the launchpad team so something gets done about the general issue
[08:50] <BUGabundo> ehehehehe
[08:50] <BUGabundo> don't do that Hobbsee
[08:51] <BUGabundo> it would be crazy
[08:51] <Hobbsee> they've had bugs abotu this before, and haven't done anything about it.
[08:51] <Hobbsee> why?
[08:51] <Hobbsee> i'd just wonder if it would set off the autoresponder again
[08:51] <Hobbsee> although, i'd wonder why it just doesn't run a spam filter or something
[08:53] <BUGabundo> yeah spam filter on LP would be great
[08:53] <BUGabundo> or at least rules for auto-reply headers
[08:54] <wgrant> Or maybe people who write autoresponders should not be so stupid.
[08:54] <wgrant> There's little point autoresponding to the same address a dozen times.
[08:54] <BUGabundo> yes, that too
[08:55] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: canonical has been traditionally less inclined to run antispam filters than I would expect - there's often a lot of spam (although they fixed some of it) on the mailing lists in the moderation queues, and a lot of spam from the @ubuntu.com addresses.
[08:56] <wgrant> I think that adding a spam filter would cause a larger problem than it solves.
[08:56] <wgrant> Spam on Launchpad isn't a huge problem (yet).
[08:56] <BUGabundo> Hobbsee: since all mailinglist seem to white-list all @ubuntu.com and @canonical I guess it is just waiting for trouble
[08:57] <wgrant> BUGabundo: On the lists I moderate there's an awful lot of spam, but I rarely see anything get through on a domain whitelist.
[08:57] <wgrant> (these are not lists.u.c lists, however)
[08:57] <Hobbsee> BUGabundo: sorry, *to* the @ubuntu.com addresses
[08:57] <Hobbsee> and not all of them - just most of the lists
[08:57] <BUGabundo> yes
[08:58] <BUGabundo> most list... I know
[08:58] <BUGabundo> it was easyer to write
[08:58] <BUGabundo> lol
[08:58] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's true.  I keep forgetting how shocking launchpad is at actually going through their moderation queue for launchpad users.  I'd imagine moderated comments for the bugtracker to be much worse.
[09:03] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Regarding your complaint about the lack of spam filtering on our @ubuntu.com addresses, I don't want somebody in the middle of my mail path tampering with my mail, really.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's true.  But I'd still think there's a limit on that.
[09:04] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ie, certainly spam.  maybe a spam score of >10 or something.
[09:05] <wgrant> Spam score is very, very subjective.
[09:06] <Hobbsee> that's true
[09:06] <Hobbsee> but i thought there was still a level of stuff to be known to be "certainly spam"
[09:06] <Hobbsee> although, i guess if you were actively attempting to buy viagra, or something, that wouldn't be spam.
[09:06] <wgrant> I can train my spam filter to give inverse results if I want to.
[09:15] <det> Is there any way to copy a package from one ppa to another ?
[09:16] <det> For example, I upload to my personal ppa for testing, then I upload to the project ppa to publish, any way to avoid waiting for the second build ?
[09:17] <wgrant> det: Hit "Copy packages" on the source PPA.
[09:17] <wgrant> You can then copy into any PPA that you can write to.
[09:17] <wgrant> Just watch out for dependencies.
[09:17] <det> Ahh, cool, thanks
[09:21] <det> I wonder why it always takes so long to show up in the pool, like 10 minutes after it is successfully built
[09:22] <wgrant> det: Packages are published every 20 minutes, as it's not an incredibly cheap operation.
[09:22] <wgrant> det: So you'll see new things show up at :00, :20, :40
[09:22] <det> Ok, good to know, thanks.
[09:22] <det> Indeed, showed up at :20
[11:24] <\sh> hmmm...
[11:25] <\sh> launchpad-api: it's now possible to search inside a project/project-group/distro/milestone or so for bugtasks assigned/commented/subscribed to person objects...but how does someone search for bugtasks from a person perspective? seems like "has_bugs" is not related to a person object, right?
[12:03] <cprov> wgrant: you know, you are my hero. You answer all PPA questions! Thanks, dude.
[12:04] <wgrant> cprov: I don't entirely like seeing questions go unanswered, which they inevitably do otherwise...
[12:05]  * Hobbsee gives wgrant the crown of being the Resident Volunteer Question Answerer, and covers him in confetti
[12:06]  * wgrant drowns in it.
[12:06]  * wgrant curses GTK.