[00:13] <askand>  I am not able to slideshow ppt files with latest RC of openoffice, anyone knows why this can be? Using RC3 and Ubuntu 8.04
[00:13] <askand> and this is 8.10 channel, sorry
[00:13] <askand> :)
[00:21] <mn> is the beta of II really buggy?
[00:22] <askand> mn: not for me :)
[00:23] <mn> askand: why not for you?
[00:23] <HappySmileMan> I'm just about to reboot into it... Though i'm using Kubuntu
[00:23] <askand> mn: I don't know why not, guess Im lucky with hardware :)
[00:24] <mn> :)
[00:24] <mn> cool
[00:31] <mneptok> askand: please do not post your same question to multiple channels at the same time. and 8.04 questions certainly do not belong here.
[00:32] <mn> mneptok: will this channel be dedicated to 9.04 after 8.10 is released?
[00:32] <askand> mneptok:  I posted her, by mistake first and realized it was wrong (therefore I said "and this is 8.10 channel, sorry") and asked my question in the correct channel
[00:34] <Rioting_pacifist> is it too late to recomend updating a package (a small package with no dependants)
[00:35] <mneptok> mn: it will be closed for a time, and then yes, reopened with a focus on Jaunty
[00:35] <mn> rioting_pacifist: what?
[00:35] <mn> oh
[00:35] <mn> mk
[00:36] <mneptok> Rioting_pacifist: feature freeze was weeks ago. :)
[00:36] <mn> mneptok: When will development on jaunty commence?
[00:36] <Rioting_pacifist> mozplugger 1.11.0 was released a couple of months ago just nobody noticed, it fixes a fairly significant bug for 64bit versions, not really adding features
[00:38] <mn> does anyone here know an easy way to regain the default C:\ in WINE? it would seem as though mine has been deleted
[00:38] <mneptok> mn: pretty much as soon as Intrepid is released
[00:40] <Rioting_pacifist> even though its a bugfix there is no way to get the version into intrepid, it has 1 bug open on its tracker that was around before 1.11.0 all the other bugs have been fixed with 1.11.0 its also fairly small and nothing depends on it so it cant screw up dependancies
[00:41] <mneptok> Rioting_pacifist: "feature freeze" means exactly what it says
[00:42] <mneptok> Rioting_pacifist: lots of people have their pet packages that they want an exception for. take a number. ;)
[00:42] <JontheEchidna> If the bugfix could be isolated a patch to the existing package could be made which would satisfy feature freeze requirements
[00:42] <kitche> mneptok: well feature freeze can mean two things :)
[00:43] <Rioting_pacifist> what i mean is, is a bugfix release considerd a feature?
[00:43] <kitche> Rioting_pacifist: well to me it doesn't but to ubuntu it might
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> In my experience even bugfix releases needed a freeze exception
[00:44] <JontheEchidna> version bumped -> needs exception, generally
[00:45] <berniv6> is this channel for kubuntu intrepid as well? I'm having two very strange issues since about two weeks on a daily updated intrepid
[00:45] <kitche> JontheEchidna: well I like usinga two step method one is feature freeze the other is bug fix freeze
[00:46] <RyanPrior> Does the beta show the encrypted "drive" on the desktop?
[00:46] <berniv6> 1) every day at exactly midnight my KDE freezes ... I can still use the mouse, but it doesn't accept any other keyboard inputs than ctrl-alt-backspace or ctrl-alt-f*
[00:46] <berniv6> last line in .xsession-errors is "QObject::startTimer: QTimer cannot have a negative interval"
[00:47] <berniv6> 2) kwin often "forgets" to redraw the new top window when changing applications, moving the application window around a bit or changing again fixes it
[00:48] <JontheEchidna> berniv6: the fix for the kwin redrawing should be out in an hour or so. I assume you have desktop effects on?
[00:49] <berniv6> JontheEchidna: yes, k thanks
[00:49] <berniv6> this is the less annoying of my two issues though :-)
[00:49] <JontheEchidna> berniv6: the fix should also include the cube effect ;-)
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> your first issue is interesting though
[00:50] <berniv6> well I'm not using it too much at all, basically just the new task switching thing
[00:50] <JontheEchidna> I wonder if it would be possible to isolate which application is causing the freeze?
[00:51] <berniv6> the only application I have running all the time are Firefox, Thunderbird, Pidgin and konsole
[00:51] <berniv6> the first three are GTK+ based and should not cause a Q* error (if this is related)
[00:52] <berniv6> the rest is a fairly basic Intrepid kde with just kmix and klipper in the system try
[00:52] <berniv6> tray
[00:56] <JontheEchidna> maybe it could be something like the screensaver?
[00:57] <berniv6> hm ... I can disable it, but it's just the standard "black screen" one ...
[00:58] <kitche> I can't get firefox to compile so I can use the QT port .....
[00:58] <berniv6> and it really freezes exactly at midnight in the middle of me typing a sentence into konsole+irssi, so it's not related to inactivity
[00:58] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's probably not the screensaver's fault
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> the thing about problems like that are, it's hard to find out why they're causes, lol
[00:59] <berniv6> unfortunately I can't really tell when it started, I suspected my (pretty old) keyboard first and didn't even catch it was always at the same time
[00:59] <berniv6> but it should be about 2-3 weeks
[01:00] <berniv6> I'll try to verify in the next few days without any applications running and with better timestamps on the .xsession-errors, just wanted to know whether someone already heard of that
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> kitche: you might try http://jtechinda.blogspot.com/2008/08/firefox-qt-packages-hit-kubuntu.html
[01:02] <Rioting_pacifist> is there an easy way to diff code, im trying to see if 1.11 contains anything other than bugfixes, but the comments have changed allot, all the lines of code look the same though but the comments make the diff contain just about everything
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> maybe you could run a diffstat and see which files the most changes were in
[01:04] <kitche> JontheEchidna: that would work if I actually ran a ubuntu really :) but that's a bit off-topic O actually meant to type that in a different channel
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> ah, heh
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> :P
[01:10] <Rioting_pacifist> JontheEchidna: erm i think im using diffstat wrong it says 0 files have changed when i do "diffstat mozplugger-1.10.2/ mozplugger-1.11.0/" sorry im new to this so no idea what im doing
[01:11]  * DanaG likes qgtkstyle.
[01:11] <DanaG> Makes QT4 apps fit into Gnome.
[01:12] <Rioting_pacifist> ahh gtk finally got the oposite of qtgtk-engine :D
[01:15] <sourcemaker> can I cancel and restart the distribution upgrade dialog?
[01:15] <sourcemaker> there are 2 hours remaining for downloading all the packages...
[01:17] <DanaG> If it's downloading packages, then nothing has been done yet.  It should be safe to cancel.
[01:22] <DanaG> Yay, new kernel with fixed e1000e is out in repos.
[01:22] <DanaG> It won't show in update-manager yet, because the parent linux-generic metapackage hasn't yet been updated.
[01:30] <ianliu_88> did anyone had troubles to install ubuntu desktop for intel? I'm getting an error on 67% of the install...
[01:31] <ianliu_88> another thing: am I able to download ubuntu with its LiveCD? My livecd is working but installation fail, so I'm downloading ubuntu again with livecd. Is it possible? where does the file goes?
[01:32] <danbh_intrepid> ianliu_88: are you asking if you can upgrade with the livecd?
[01:32] <ianliu_88> no no, I'm running ubuntu with livecd
[01:32] <ianliu_88> and I want to donwload ubuntu again
[01:32] <danbh_intrepid> ianliu_88: ah, so you need to mount a drive to get enough space?
[01:33] <ianliu_88> yep
[01:33] <danbh_intrepid> you should be able to just go to places, right?
[01:33] <ianliu_88> oh
[01:33] <ianliu_88> thats it
[01:33] <ianliu_88> thanks
[01:33] <ianliu_88> lol, I feel stupid
[01:33] <ianliu_88> =D
[01:33] <danbh_intrepid> np :P
[01:35] <veritos> Can I use Wubi with Intrepid yet?
[01:36] <veritos> The Wubi site made it look like I can just put an iso in the same directory; does that still work?
[01:36] <ianliu_88> danbh_intrepid: well, I can't figure out how to get write privilleges
[01:38] <ianliu_88> hmm, did it, thanks
[01:51] <redvamp128> Question-- I was thinking about running Intrepid on another machine here at the house until I read this... Thoughts and views -- I have another IBM NETVISTA 6578-RBU with Intel Pro LAN. http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?s=d119b46419fc21dc5926d00ba3680fff&showtopic=676948&st=0&#entry589909220
[01:52] <redvamp128> This time the question pertains to Intrepid and not 8.04...
[01:53] <Pici> redvamp128: Read the 'known issues' here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[01:53] <Pici> redvamp128: The module that causes that problem has been disabled and there is a fix once you update from within intrepid.,
[01:53] <redvamp128> Would intrepid run on that machine if I usd anoter nic without issues. (I have another Knee 100)
[01:53] <kinto_0> hello, I have a hauppauge 1950 tv tuner that is said to be supported in 2.6.27 yet i can't find a driver for it, and it doesn't show up when i scan hardware
[01:54] <Pici> redvamp128: It would run fine even if you had an e1000 nic.
[01:54] <DanaG> Other NICs should be fine.
[01:54] <redvamp128> 900mhz 256mb- onboard video 1mb intel 810
[01:54] <Pici> It just wouldnt be able to use it.
[01:54] <redvamp128> 20 gig hard drive and 52x CDROM.
[01:54] <DanaG> Plus, the new kernel with the fixed module is out -- but the linux-image metapackage hasn't yet been updated to use it.
[01:56] <redvamp128> Oh and to note I did get the sound working (Audigy LS) but only front channels and have to use alsa mixer for volume control.
[01:56] <redvamp128> Found the answer actually in a Gentoo forum.
[01:57] <redvamp128> So those specs with a Knee 100 (Kingston) network card should run intrepid Ok with eyecandy turned off?
[01:59] <redvamp128> Any links to screenshots of Intrepid?
[02:00] <DanaG> wtf... my pulseaudio channel isn't working!
[02:00] <DanaG> It just randomly quits.
[02:03] <nastas> any idea how to fix seahorse in intrepid?
[02:06] <kinto_0> when i enter a '-' sign into the quick search bar of synaptic, it crashes
[02:06] <kinto_0> and is mildly unwilling to restart
[02:11] <kinto_0> don't seem to be having issues with letters, but every time i put in a - i get the darkened screen of death
[02:16] <adrian_2002ca> hey guys...some stuff in intrepid beta is running very slow/crashing for me! help!
[02:17] <adrian_2002ca>  - sudo gedit anything in /etc will take 5 minutes to fully load gedit and allow me to use it for example
[02:17] <DanaG> !gksu
[02:18] <adrian_2002ca> - also file manager nautilus is sluggish...and when i plug in a USB drive it hangs
[02:18] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: gksu doesnt make much difference
[02:20] <adrian_2002ca> can anyone help me weed out these speed problems? i am flabbergasted at what might be causing them
[02:21] <adrian_2002ca> it's like intrepid is twice as slow if not slower than hardy for me
[02:23] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: gksudo has not yet opened scrollkeeper.conf with gksudo since (09:21:45 PM) DanaG: !gksu
[02:23] <adrian_2002ca> *gedit
[02:23] <DanaG> Odd.
[02:23] <adrian_2002ca> spoke too soon...now it has
[02:23] <DanaG> When I tried the nouveau driver, I got everything being freakishly slow; I don't remember what caused it, though.
[02:24] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: i did mess around with themes and trying to get some eye-candy going, i must admit...any suggestions on how i can reset anything that mightve changed back to the original setup?
[02:25] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: and whats nouveau driver?
[02:25] <DanaG> It's an alternate nvidia open-source driver; you'd know if you were using it, because it's not in the normal repos.
[02:26] <adrian_2002ca> i see...well i am running metacity -- my graphics card is SiS..
[02:26] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:26] <adrian_2002ca> i think i have default driver going right now
[02:26] <DanaG> I don't know what else to try.
[02:27] <adrian_2002ca> i see
[02:27] <DanaG> Is it possible you've run out of disk space on some partition?  If that happens, things break.
[02:27] <DanaG> On the root, that'd be.
[02:28] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: nope...i got only 1 partition, with 28gb of space
[02:28] <DanaG> Aah.
[02:28] <DanaG> hmm, anything interesting in .xsession-errors once you try to launch things?
[02:28] <DanaG> try in console: tail -f .xsession-errors &
[02:28] <DanaG> (including the ampersand.)
[02:29] <DanaG> Then go to launch whatever you want to test.
[02:29] <DanaG> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gksu/+bug/23917
[02:29] <DanaG> hmm.
[02:37] <wsjunior> is it true that intrepid wont have a brand new theme?
[02:38] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: so far, I have: http://pastebin.com/m3bd36f4c
[02:38] <Guest24697> I need some help with my graphics
[02:40] <kinto_0> details?
[02:41] <DanaG> adrian_2002ca:  Hmm, any chance you have a mismatch between hostname in /etc/hosts and /etc/hostname?
[02:41] <Guest24697> I upgraded from 8.04 and was forced into low-res
[02:41] <kinto_0> open terminal
[02:41] <kinto_0> do you have an nvidia card?
[02:41] <Guest24697> yep
[02:41] <kinto_0> what kind?
[02:41] <wsjunior> is this awfull theme the new default one?
[02:41] <Guest24697> 8600 GT XXX running dual monitors
[02:42] <kinto_0> type > sudo apt-get install nvidia-177-kernel-source nvidia-177-modaliases
[02:42] <wsjunior> hello?
[02:43] <kinto_0> no time for idiots wsjunior >_>
[02:43] <nastas> any idea how to fix seahorse in intrepid?
[02:43] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: and one more error as it opened the file http://pastebin.com/m7787ba7...i will check hosts
[02:43] <kinto_0> Guest24697: once that's done ... ctrl alt bkspace and relogin should be good
[02:43] <DanaG> That link got mangled.
[02:44] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: http://pastebin.com/m7787ba7
[02:44] <jaxdahl> how can i tell X to stop using compiz?
[02:45] <kinto_0> metacity --replace ?
[02:45] <Guest24697> I'll give that a try and will be back in a bit, Should have used the laptop to log in in the first place.
[02:45] <kinto_0> k
[02:46] <wsjunior> kinto_0: idiot just for ask?
[02:46] <kinto_0> honestly ... who the heck comes into a help chat section to bitch about the default screen look ???
[02:46] <kinto_0> and then "hello?" demanding an answer for a dumb ?
[02:47] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: http://pastebin.com/m3fdf5ead ~ another error closing the file.....hosts and hostname seem to match...
[02:47] <Guest24697> kinto, getting "E: Couldn't find package nvidia-17-modaliases"
[02:47] <wsjunior> its a simple question and if you are not forced to answer, so if you dont have something usefull to say just keep your fingers quiet.
[02:47] <kinto_0> Guest24697: it's 177
[02:47] <kinto_0> not 17
[02:47] <Guest24697> duh, thanks
[02:47] <kinto_0> np
[02:48] <DanaG> Hmm, I'm not sure what would be doing that.
[02:48] <Alex_Gaynor> Is anyone else having a problem where firefox crashes after closing a tab with a flash video in it?
[02:48] <Alex_Gaynor> DanaG: Is that to me?
[02:49]  * kinto_0 thinks it would be nice if the live cd told the installer that you wanted restricted drivers to begin w/ o_O getting low res settings after it looks just fine on startup is rather dumb : /
[02:50] <DanaG> Yeah.
[02:50] <DanaG> I can't think of how to fix that slowness.
[02:50] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: thanks eh!
[02:50] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG:  the universe will right itself eventually
[02:50] <adrian_2002ca> DanaG: :D
[02:50] <Alex_Gaynor> Videos also just pause after 2 seconds
[02:51] <Alex_Gaynor> it doesn't freeze or anything
[02:51] <Alex_Gaynor> and I can move around in the clip, and it will start playing again
[02:51] <Alex_Gaynor> :/
[02:51] <kinto_0> xD
[02:51] <kinto_0> sounds like fun
[02:52] <Alex_Gaynor> Oh yeah, it's awesome :)
[02:52] <kinto_0> is it a flash issue ? 64 bit version?
[02:52] <Alex_Gaynor> 32 bit ubuntu
[02:52] <cooljeff3000> what's a "production machine"
[02:52] <adrian_2002ca> speaking of videos, my video player's best quality with an mpg file is by using gl and then it will go slowwwww
[02:52] <kinto_0> ahh ... i used to get flash to do weird things when using hardy 64
[02:52] <Alex_Gaynor> I've been using intrepid since like alpha 4, and it just started about 2 weeks ago
[02:53]  * kinto_0 loves those updates that break everything :)
[02:53] <adrian_2002ca> didn't use to be this bad in hardy
[02:54] <Alex_Gaynor> hehe, I'm not even sure what package I should be looking at is the problem
[02:54] <Alex_Gaynor> Is it firefox, is it flashplugin-nonfree, I heard someone else suggest that it's pulseaudio
[02:54] <kinto_0> does it play fine w/ vlc?
[02:54] <Alex_Gaynor> Flash files?  yeah if I download them they play fine :(
[02:55] <DanaG> ; exit-idle-time = 20 ---- wait, it's told to exit when idle?
[02:55] <DanaG> Who in their right mind would think that's a good idea?
[02:55]  * kinto_0 leaves for beer run :D
[02:55] <DanaG> It means the next time something goes to use audio............. BAM, it hangs.
[02:56] <Guest30200> kino, I'm back.  Restarted X with no problems, but still only have the one monitor
[02:57] <travisbickkle86> do i need to install emerald for compiz to work? I seem to get an error when i enable desktop effects.
[03:01] <D-Bo> KINO!!!
[03:06] <kinto_0> Guest30200: i've never dual screened
[03:06] <kinto_0> lifehacker talked about it today
[03:06] <kinto_0> showed some pics of doing it
[03:06] <kinto_0> google ubuntu in google news and it should pop up w/ the link
[03:07] <Guest30200> Ok, havn't checked my rss today, should be there
[03:16] <gaminggeek> hey there
[03:16] <gaminggeek> my sound isnt working after I return from a suspend on my inspiron 1525
[03:17] <gaminggeek> I have to log out and log back in again
[03:18] <gaminggeek> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22/+bug/148043
[03:18] <gaminggeek> I have found this bug
[03:18] <gaminggeek> I will try out the work around but it would be nice not to have to
[03:24] <myk_robinson> I tried the Kubuntu 8.10 beta live today. Started loading, then the screen went an odd shade of white and black, turned off entirely, and did nothign else... Had to hold the power button to turn off the computer.
[03:24] <myk_robinson> My installed Hardy is still working great, wonder why Intrepid craps out before I can even see a desktop? The alphas didnt do this...
[03:24] <myk_robinson> anyone else seen this?
[03:27] <Frijolie> is ubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso a liveCD or only for installations?
[03:27] <danbh_intrepid> Frijolie: I think thats the live cd
[03:28] <Frijolie> I can't find where it mentions that info
[03:28] <gaminggeek> Frijolie: it is both
[03:28] <Frijolie> how do you tell what intel wifi driver you're using--even if it is disabled in the beta
[03:29] <DanaG> Actually, what's disabled is e1000e, the WIRED network driver.
[03:30] <danbh_intrepid> hey, check out slashdot
[03:31] <danbh_intrepid> http://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linux_does_well_the_e1000e_ethernet_bug_fixed
[03:31] <Frijolie> Ah, it's the LAN driver. Well I meant that one then. If I just run the LiveCD then I won't be harmed right?
[03:32] <Frijolie> reading that blog now
[03:33] <Frijolie> Man I love torrents! I'm downloading the Beta @ ~750Kib/s
[03:33] <Frijolie> with regular HTTP it was only ~300Kib/s
[03:35] <myk_robinson> are there known issues with the beta and intel graphics? i have been able to test the alphas, but cannot get a desktop on the beta
[03:36] <Frijolie> So this "bug" will be fixed on the 5th according to that link danbh_intrepid
[03:36] <Frijolie> that's reassuring!
[03:41] <bytor4232> This is more of an annoyance than a bug, but when I upgraded from hardy to intrepid, the NetworkManager forgot my WEP keys.  I had to re-enter them.
[03:42] <mneptok> WEP?
[03:42] <mneptok> why even bother? ;)
[03:43] <bytor4232> cause Im a glutton for punishment, apparently.
[03:44] <mneptok> seriously though. WEP is not secure. there's no point in using it.
[03:44] <danbh_intrepid> wep is supposed to be crackable within like 10min
[03:44] <bytor4232> Yeah yeah, I know.
[03:45] <mneptok> bytor4232: save the (weak) encryption overhead and filter clients by MAC address. or use WPA.
[03:46] <bytor4232> mneptok: You know, its just my house.  I really don't feel like going to great lengths to "secure" my home network.  For one thing, I live on half an acre with 10 acres behind me.
[03:47] <mneptok> bytor4232: OK, so then you don;t need WEP *or* MAC filtering ;)
[03:47] <bytor4232> Besides, I don't broadcast the ESSID, so its not like someone driving by is even going to see the wireless access point.
[03:48] <bytor4232> Honestly, no, I don't need anything.
[03:48] <Daisuke_Ido> i just called mine Fort Wayne Police Department...  no one's ever attempted to connect :)
[03:48] <bytor4232> ha
[03:49] <DanaG> Here's a random idea: bogus access point, that serves up all dns requests to a page that says, "HA HA, YOU LOSE."
[03:49] <bytor4232> Heh, well, I wasn't going to say anything, but there is that too.
[03:49] <DanaG> ... and then is disconnected from the real internet.
[03:49] <mneptok> i think FBI agents are hot, so my AP's ESSID is "alqueda-us"
[03:49] <Daisuke_Ido> heh
[03:49] <bytor4232> I have a Linksys G router and a B router.  The B router is just plugged in, it doesn't do anything but broadcast "linksys"
[03:50] <mneptok> bytor4232: any Intel 3945 wireless chipsets in your machines?
[03:50] <bytor4232> No
[03:50] <mneptok> k
[03:50] <bytor4232> The only wireless is my lappy, and it only uses it once in a while.
[03:50]  * DanaG has a 3945.
[03:50] <DanaG> ... and dislikes iwl3945.
[03:51] <bytor4232> I don't use my laptop at home that much.
[03:53] <bytor4232> Anyhoo, back on point, just reporting an annoyance thats all.  Just would think that NetworkManager could keep the keys from Hardy to Intrepid.
[03:53] <bytor4232> Seems wierd that I had to enter it again just because I upgraded.
[03:53] <danbh_intrepid> nm is still a work in progress I think
[03:54] <bytor4232> That makes sense.
[03:55] <danbh_intrepid> bytor4232: but, it might still make sense to file a bug
[03:55] <bytor4232> Hm.  I guess its kindof a bug.
[03:58] <Allah> hi
[04:22] <john__> Need some assistance with livecd
[04:25] <kinto_0> on a non ubuntu not ... where does irssi save files from dcc ??
[04:26] <bilicki> I just did a clean install of 8.10... why do most applications still use KDE 3.5 ?
[04:27] <john__> anybody having trouble running Intrepid beta livecd?
[04:27] <Hagg1> ﻿Hello, does anyone know why I get "No networkdriver found" while trying to install "Ubuntu 8.10 Beta" onto my EeePC 901? Isn't the atl1e-driver included?
[04:28] <Allah> john__: do you have a problem?
[04:28]  * Allah used the alternate cd.
[04:29] <john__> Yes, livecd does not boot to and gui
[04:29] <bilicki> will this beta eventually update to the 8.10 as if it wasn't a beta?
[04:29] <bilicki> (using apt-get upgrade)
[04:30] <Hagg1> the alternate cd (8.10 beta) does not boot for me :(
[04:31] <kinto_0> bilicki: as i recall, when i was using hardy beta ... they had updates pop up w/ the update manager and would upgrade the diff versions automatically
[04:31] <Hagg1> when I hit "enter" at the prompt "boot:" I get to the menu, and when I hit enter there, the computer make strange click-noises and then reboots
[04:31] <kinto_0> so i'd assume that 'yes' is the answer to your ?
[04:33] <john__> The livecd displays the initial language selection and options screen.  I select language, then F6 to remove "quiet" parameter.  Livecd displays lines of text, the screen clears, flashing cursor, and the machine goes quite.
[04:34] <john__> I've had this problem since alpha 5.
[04:35] <nastas> when i login, seahorse-agent crashes. any idea?
[04:35] <Hagg1> are there anyone interested in helping me?
[04:35] <john__> I do have a working Kubuntu Hardy install right now.  Am exploring the look and feel of Intrepid, but it has no look or feel.
[04:36] <john__> With the flashing cursor (upper left), I assume it's a video driver or subsystem thing.
[04:39] <john__> Oh well.  Try again later
[04:52] <eca> ﻿i removed gdm, installed fluxbox, and i get error- /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/x-window-manager corrupt: invalid update mode. this is from a xubuntu system. fluxbox works fine, menu had to be made but that wasnt hard. this error is reoccurring, any suggestions?
[04:55] <frybye> Hi - when I try to run skype I get this http://paste.ubuntu.com/53643/ any tips? (I am a relative- newbie)
[04:57] <outbri> frybye: is your sound configured properly? can you listen to music and play youtube videos?
[04:58] <frybye> i will try youtube...
[04:58] <frybye> have had a big fight with the sound setup on this installation...
[05:00] <outbri> frybye: many things don't work when the sound doesn't work, I had a bunch of programs that wouldn't go when my sound wasn't working
[05:01] <frybye> on trying to start amarok i get a fault report xine no audio driver installed"" - eh what now?
[05:01] <frybye> you tube worked by the way...
[05:03] <outbri> frybye: well, you can try going to System>Preferences>Sound and making sure the right device is selected for output
[05:05] <frybye> seems to be related to xine drivers - eh - hang on pse..
[05:07] <frybye> I have an entry in there - |backend| Xine - eh is that right...?
[05:07] <outbri> no idea :P
[05:08] <frybye> it is also sent to " use_vo_driver "
[05:09] <frybye> that can be set to Linear - LinearBlend - Greedy - Greedy2Frame etc etc.. do u know what that is all about - what is the "backend?"
[05:41] <BrianFreytag_> anybody around?
[05:43] <outbri> BrianFreytag: yep
[05:43] <outbri> frybye: nope, dunno
[05:44] <BrianFreytag> so.. has anyone heard anything recently about Intrepid and ATI Catalyst driver compatibility?
[05:44] <BrianFreytag> I heard a rumor that the 8.10 version of the catalyst were going to work, but I don't know if that's true
[05:56] <nikolam> hi
[05:56] <nikolam> I tried to download beta xubuntu with jigdo-lite
[05:56] <nikolam> I got this message(and xubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso.tmp):  http://paste.ubuntu.com/53659/
[05:57] <nikolam> What should I do to get proper *.iso and move on?
[06:03] <BrianFreytag> nobody is answering questions right now
[06:04] <frybye> anybody had problems with vlc vers. 9.3 in interepid beta??
[06:05] <frybye> at least playing iptv seems a mess...
[06:09] <outbri> Ya, this channel has been unusually slow the last few hours, and I'm not the best for questions.
[06:09] <outbri> nikolam: I'd offer to let you download the iso from my website, but I have the i386 version
[06:10] <frybye> outbri: your right about the channel slow - almost dead would be more accurate a description.. ;=)
[06:10] <nikolam> outbri, Thank you but I am more then capable to download ISO with http from bublic mirrors
[06:11] <nikolam> Problem arised when jigdo download did not finish
[06:11] <outbri> nikolam: they are all failing?
[06:11] <frybye> nikolam: tried a torrent??
[06:11] <outbri> Right now, yeah, It is odd, I've been hanging around for a month or so and there are usually 4-5 people answering questions.
[06:11] <frybye> depends a bit on the time of day i guess...
[06:11] <frybye> east coast usa is now night...
[06:11] <nikolam> I could try torrent to fix download, yes, but that is not the point, I want to be able to use jigdo in the future, to just fetch cahnges
[06:12] <frybye> west coast is not so late though.. would expect a few more here...
[06:12] <nikolam> Maybe I should just finish it with torrent for today
[06:12] <frybye> dont know that one... jigdo?
[06:13] <frybye> hmm .. i am a star - not only screwed my kubuntu but now have messed up the vista box i use for work stuff.. hmmm..
[06:13] <nikolam> frybye, jigdo, it is the way to download new iso by just downloaing changes within an *.iso file not the whole file over and over
[06:13] <frybye> i c
[06:15] <frybye> the irc channels seem generally a bit lame at the moment... everybody is watching cnn etc or...?
[06:15] <SebNaitsabes> ok had to happen to me of course :D     oh well good learning experience  getting this fixed.   so  I was doing an upgrade from Hardy to  Ibex Beta,  and  stupid lose power cable so yep it went off, as it was installing packages.  so I tried to finnish stuff  using hardy recovery mode.   ,but it woudn't even download the packages  that it wanted.  ,but  I am on a Gutsy Live CD right now, and it's been a while since I used a Live CD to fix problems, bu
[06:16] <frybye> loose power cable = deadly...
[06:16] <SebNaitsabes> why?
[06:16] <SebNaitsabes> more like annoying, because it can re boot the computer when I don't want it to
[06:17] <frybye> not so much literally "deadly" but will cause u awefull problems with a pc...
[06:17] <SebNaitsabes> I think it's the power cable anyway
[06:17] <frybye> u need to fix that cable pal... or a new power supply unit or whatever the prob. is...
[06:18] <SebNaitsabes> maybe it's the power unit that's a point
[06:18] <SebNaitsabes> well  this PC is   around 2 years old
[06:18] <frybye> right.. they are not even so expensive these days... some quieter than others..
[06:18] <SebNaitsabes> ,but  I am not here to talk about a power cable
[06:18] <DanaG> silentpcreview.com... reviews PSUs for more than just noise level.
[06:19] <SebNaitsabes> and yes before I was running recovery stuff with the old  Hardy kernel and I thought,  well that's not going to really work well,  if it's got Ibex stuff on there now
[06:19] <frybye> here in the EU the normal guarantee is 2 years - everything seems to fall over and die 1 - 2 weeks overf that limit...
[06:19] <SebNaitsabes> EU  well that's me to
[06:19] <SebNaitsabes> England what about you?
[06:19] <DanaG> You can always chroot.
[06:19] <frybye> SebNaitsabes: but to be honest until you get that hardware prob. fixed - all the rest is a bit pointless...
[06:19] <frybye> i am a Cornishman living in Berlin...
[06:19] <SebNaitsabes> no  it happens very rearely
[06:20] <SebNaitsabes> that it goes off
[06:20] <SebNaitsabes> like that
[06:20] <SebNaitsabes> I am trying Pidgin out for IRC on this Gutsy Live CD,   I am so sticking with Konversation in proper Ubuntu install :)
[06:20] <frybye> yeah - but if your harddisk is just in the process of a read/write at the moment it goes off - you can have a wrecked installation...
[06:20] <outbri> yay, DanaG showed up with some more knowledge.
[06:21] <SebNaitsabes> yeah  the errors when booting with  hardy kerenl  was saying about it being a read only partition
[06:21] <SebNaitsabes> I think my partitions are ok
[06:21] <SebNaitsabes> seem to be
[06:21] <frybye> one the side.. if anyone has vlc- iptv infos - pse mention....
[06:21] <SebNaitsabes> when accessing from Live CD
[06:21] <DanaG> If it's read-only... run fsck on it.
[06:21] <DanaG> But unmount it first.
[06:22] <SebNaitsabes> well  when it booted from  Grub with old  hardy kernel it just  came up with errors.  and  I didn't think it would work.  I mean Ibex needs the Ibex kernel right or?
[06:22] <frybye> figures...
[06:22] <SebNaitsabes> then I finnished off  dist-upgrade in recovery mode, but some stuff still did not want to be installed from that,  but I can edit my sources.list and run commands on this Live CD anyway so
[06:23] <DanaG> Oh yeah, one thing that helps: bind mount /proc and /dev to the chroot.
[06:23] <DanaG> boot and mount -o bind /dev/ /media/whatever/dev
[06:23] <DanaG> then same for /proc
[06:23] <DanaG> Then chroot.
[06:24] <SebNaitsabes> it's been a while since I did stuff like this, but first of course the terminal needs to know it's working on the Ibex partition not the Live CD
[06:25] <SebNaitsabes> actsaully the stuff that woudn't  get installed in recovery mode,  it was like it coudn't get a connection   or  maybe just access to that repo.  well I just changed all my hardy ones in sources.list to intrepid
[06:25] <nikolam> HI I can`t download latest 8.10 Beta Xubuntu amd64 *.iso because there are 6 changed files and jigdo-lite is complaining it cannot downloadthem!
[06:26] <SebNaitsabes> DanaG:  terminal  on  this Live CD by default will be for the Live CD,  so do I just CD into my Ibex partition and then start running commands or?
[06:43] <shirish> anybody here knows how to use ufw?
[06:45] <nikolam> shirish, Install gufw, GUI for ufw and adjust its properties
[06:46] <nikolam> I personally still prefer Firestarter
[06:46] <shirish> nikolam: hi, thanx don't need that, just need to know if ufw understands xmpp protocol yet or not
[06:46] <nikolam> It has an option to forward internet connection to my other machibes, etc..
[06:48] <hansin> I just downloaded the Interpid i386 alternate ISO and tried to install.  At near the end where it is installing the base system, it gives me an ncurse dialog box saying to install another media.  I couldn't open my CD drive and doesn't seem I need another CD anyway (never have for this).  Anyone seen this?
[06:48] <hansin> I ran the media check before installing (not to mention my ISO burning program has a verify option I used).
[06:50] <nikolam> hansin, What happens next, does it continue to install?
[06:52] <hansin> No, in the ncurses dialog box my two opens were [back] and [continue] I think.  It pretty mcuh didn't do anything if I tried to pick either.  It gave me a number of the media wanted (I shoudl have write it down exactly what it said), but I think it was date coded.  It appeared it wanted another CD, but I have never seen that for any previous alternate install CDs.
[06:52] <hansin> s/my two options
[06:55] <TuTUXG> i saw that intel has fixed the problem with e1000e driver? is the fixed kernel been released for upgrade yet?
[06:55] <Asa_A> How can I install my nVidia driver in intrepid? The Hardware Drivers doesn't offer to install my driver so I installed nvidia-glx-173 (there seems to be 4 drivers) and it didn't seem to work. I can't enable compiz and glxgears won't run.
[06:55] <Asa_A> I have a GeForce 7600 GT
[06:58] <hansin> Asa_A: Just a guess at something worth trying, but I have GeForce 6200 based card and I can't remember off the top of my head which driver works, but only one of them does.  Maybe keep trying to install the various nvidia drivers and see what one works.  What I remember is that if you install a new one, apt-get/aptitude removes the current version so you don't have multple of the nvidia variations installed at one time.
[06:59] <Asa_A> thanks i'll try that. if it doesn't work i'll be back to ask again later :)
[07:00] <hansin> Asa_A: Okay.  If you install one that doesn't work, I think it drops back to the nv driver, or maybe the generic vesa driver.
[07:02] <hansin> Dang, Asa_A left.  It looks like
[07:03] <hansin> ... nvidia-glx may be a virual package that will link to the right driver!!!
[07:04] <Geoffrey2> is it possible to build Empathy 2.24 from source in Hardy Heron?
[07:06] <Lynoure> Geoffrey2: why do you ask here, hardy is ubuntu+-0
[07:06] <Lynoure> Geoffrey2: that is, #ubuntu is better suited to help you
[07:07] <Lynoure> usually you can build anything from sources, just in worst case might have to build a whole lot of things and end up with something non-Ubuntu
[07:08] <Geoffrey2> ok, thought I'd ask here first since Gnome 2.24 would be in Intrepid, and my make attempt is crashing....I'll check in regular ubuntu and see if anyone can help me then....
[07:12] <nikolam> Hi *.iso I downloaded and checked with Bit Torrent, does NOT pass the md5sum check!
[07:12] <nikolam> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/8.10/beta/
[07:14] <nikolam> It is xubuntu-8.10-beta-alternate-amd64.iso
[07:18] <literal> I've been having a weird problem with intrepid
[07:19] <literal> after I adjust the LCD backlight (Fn+Up/Down), I can't get keyboard focus on any input fields, thought Alt+Tab and other keycombos still work
[07:20] <literal> it's fixed by switching to a console (e.g Ctrl+Alt+F1) and back to X (Ctrl+Alt+F7)
[07:21] <literal> also, hald-addon-dell-backlights starts taking 100% CPU when I adjust the backlight
[07:24] <Lynoure> literal: sounds to me (non-Dell-using non-hal-expert) that hal does not deal with it correctly on the fly, and thus ends up thinking things are not where they are
[07:28] <literal> this seems like two problems
[07:28] <literal> if I kill hald-addon-dell-backlight, the 100% cpu thing doesn't happen again
[07:29] <literal> but I always lose keyboard focus
[07:29] <Lynoure> I'd think hald-addon-dell-backlight contributes to the focus
[07:29] <Lynoure> (so sounds like just one for me)
[07:29] <Lynoure> Has anyone reported it at Launchpad yet?
[07:30] <literal> not that I can see
[07:32] <Lynoure> Certainly worth reporting then
[07:32] <literal> yeah
[07:37] <elmargol> :/ lost my mouse cursor :(
[07:38] <Lynoure> elmargol: have you tried replugging the mouse as the first aid method?
[07:38] <frybye> tried unplugging and re-inserting the plug...?
[07:38] <frybye> sorry Lynoure
[07:38] <elmargol> Lynoure: it is a touchpad
[07:39] <frybye> elmargol: and a re-boot did not fix it...?
[07:39] <Lynoure> frybye: lost me there..
[07:40] <frybye> Lynoure: i was just apologizing for having cut across your own similar answer to the ?
[07:40] <elmargol> frybye: I guess rebooting fixes the problem...
[07:40] <frybye> elmargol: but you mean it keeps happeing again and again or...?
[07:40] <elmargol> frybye: I'm more interested in debugging this in order to write a bugreport
[07:41] <frybye> elmargol: but if it was just a one-off occurance...?
[07:41] <Lynoure> elmargol: usually not point in debugging something that has happened only once, unless everything else is Perfect and you are bored
[07:42] <frybye> if anyone has infos on using vlc 9.3 for iptv under intrepid beta or with the running skype on 64bit intrepid beta - pse get back to me here..?
[07:43] <frybye> skype produces this error when trying to make a call :- http://paste.ubuntu.com/53643/
[07:44] <frybye> hmm.. weather is turning out nice here this morning (Berlin...) - good argument for giving the pc a bit of a rest.. heheh
[07:45] <Lynoure> frybye: does that library exist?
[07:45] <Lynoure> frybye: the last Skype package I saw was for something older than hardy, even.
[07:45] <frybye> hmmm better check up .. hang on...
[07:45] <stdin> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=libasound_module_conf_pulse.so&mode=exactfilename&suite=intrepid&arch=any
[07:46] <frybye> there is a load of stuff/infos for intrepid... but i did the various stuff...
[07:47] <frybye> thanks stdin i will go look at those locations...
[07:47] <stdin> looks like some pulse-audio plugin, but I'm not entirely sure
[07:50] <frybye> the libr. is there at both locations - permissions - user r and w but not execute...?
[07:50] <frybye> which for a library is normal or...?
[08:15] <joebob777as7> Can someone help me get my nvidia working? Here is my xorg.conf: http://pastebin.ca/1218767 and tail of Xorg.0.log: http://pastebin.ca/1218768
[08:16] <joebob777as7> been broken since alpha 4... and nvidia-xconfig doesn't fix it...
[08:19] <frybye> i got my nvidia to work with propr. drivers in intrepid beta..
[08:19] <frybye> but after adding a load of repros...
[08:20] <frybye> i only have the gs8400 gs though....
[08:22] <joebob777as7> when I start gdm again I get the same errors: (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module (EE) Screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration
[08:28] <gaminggeek> hello, anyone here know any tips for getting wacoms to go in intrepid
[08:48]  * Allah yawns.
[09:27] <dmh65> !ati
[09:30] <user_> can you use reportbug on ubuntu? its installable and runs fine, but sending the final report does not work, because the sender address gets rejected
[09:31] <Lynoure> user_: sounds like a problem in your mail setup...
[09:33] <user_> Lynoure: i have no mail-setup (just installed the live-iso to hd), but i can also get no hit for "find -name *reportbug*" in /home/$user/. On debian it usually asks on first startup of reportbug for email of submitter etc.. Not here
[09:33] <tta> user_: are you referring to "apport" ?
[09:35] <user_> tta: i am using console program reportbug (sudo apt-get install reportbug)
[09:35] <Hobbsee> user_: you'll probably need to set a different smtp address.
[09:35] <Hobbsee> usually your ISP gives you one.
[09:35] <Lynoure> user_: If you have absolutely no mail setup, I would not expect anything to go anywhere anyway...
[09:35] <tta> user_: ah, ok, then i'll be quiet.. never used neither apport or reportbug
[09:36] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: reportbug can send directly to a smtp server, which, iirc, it does by deafult
[09:36] <user_> Lynoure: it works on debian with a direct smtp connection to smtp.debian.org (or something similar)
[09:36] <user_> Hobbsee: ok, will try, found /etc/reportbug.conf
[09:37] <Lynoure> Hobbsee: yes, but very many ISPs block stmp that is not to their servers, unfortunately
[09:38] <Hobbsee> Lynoure: that's true.  That's why it only works OOTB for a relatively small number of people (ubuntu members who use their @ubuntu.com addresses, iirc)
[09:38] <Lynoure> (so many it's nearly the default state of things, at least for consumer broadband here)
[09:38] <Hobbsee> oh, hang on.
[09:38] <Hobbsee> strange.
[09:38] <dmh65> can someone tell me if the ati driver for xorg 7.4 is on its way, no mention on the ati site at all?  http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html
[09:39] <Hobbsee> i know fiordland will only let out @ubuntu.com addresses.
[09:39] <dmh65> if not why on earth is Ubuntu thinking of using xorg 7.4?
[09:41] <user_> Hobbsee: yes, does not accept @web.de
[09:41] <user_> Hobbsee: any @ubuntu.com address for non-@ubuntu-people? ;-)
[09:43] <user_> does on get get an @ubuntu.com adress if you register on launchpad?
[09:44] <tta> user_: not as easy as that :(
[09:45] <Hobbsee> user_: no.
[09:46] <user_> Hmm, ok, understandable. Still the problem is, i am not going to save my personal smtp credentials into a virtualmachine testing ubuntu beta.
[09:46] <Hobbsee> user_: just find out what your isp's server is, and use that
[09:46] <Hobbsee> ah
[09:46] <Lynoure> well, there is always the web way of reporting bugs (though it is less handy)
[09:47] <user_> Lynoure: i will wait until it is (no offence intended of course)
[09:48]  * user_ likes that the beta runs with full resolution in his virtualbox and wishes everybody good luck for final release
[10:38] <Nece228> kubuntu 8.10 beta still has kde3 applications
[10:38] <Nece228> i think they should remove them
[10:39] <literal> good luck with that
[10:40] <rski> :D
[10:40] <rski> Nece228: do they have kde4 similar programs? or replacments
[10:41] <Nece228> rski: i guess so
[10:41] <rski> ok then file a bug
[10:57] <Unksi> Nece228: not all have, thats why there still are some.. like k3b, amarok etc
[10:58] <Nece228> Unksi: there are other programs for kde4 like juk can replace amarok
[10:59] <Unksi> lol hell no :D
[11:39] <zeno> hi, why is ndiswrapper not in the repos
[11:40] <frybye> 10$.jpg is also not there in sufficient resoloution to be usefull ..;=)
[11:43] <rski> zeno: it dosen't work with recent kernels
[11:47] <Tallken> hey guys, how is the situation concerning the aggressive HDD's PM in Intrepid?
[11:47] <rski> chek the bug in launchpad
[11:48] <Tallken> ok
[11:50] <Tallken> another question, is the menu icon in KDE really supposed to be a left arrow? xD
[11:52] <frybye> I try to use vlc for iptv but the picture is a mess - and I dont know how to config...?
[11:52] <markit>  hi, how can I upgrade from kubuntu 8.0.4 to 8.10 Beta? I've read it does have nomore "-kde4" package name
[11:52] <markit> any special care? or the conversion is done automatically by some package?
[11:53] <Tallken> mark: check the Kubuntu Project page
[11:53] <Tallken> markit: check the Kubuntu Project page
[11:53] <frybye> markit: 8.10beta has kde4 als default... no choice...
[11:53] <markit> frybye: yes, I've already kde4 installed, is nto that the problem
[11:54] <markit> Tallken: thanks, i've found the instructions, did not some days ago, prbably because was just alpha
[11:54] <Tallken> markit: you can help me as well
[11:54] <frybye> markit.. you have got hold of this by the wrong handle - intrepid is a whole distro for itself.. nut an upgrade of hardy....
[11:54] <zeno> rski: ut oh.  its the only way i can get my current card to work :\
[11:54] <Tallken> markit: how is your KDE menu icon?
[11:55] <Tallken> frybye: you can upgrade from Hardy........
[11:55] <frybye> at www.kde.org you will find upgrade infos...
[11:55] <Tallken> markit: my KDE icon is a blue circle, with a left arrow xD
[11:55] <markit> Tallken: the problem is not mentioned there
[11:55] <Tallken> markit: this gotta be wrong
[11:55] <frybye> yes you can do a DISTRO-upgrade -from- hardy but it is not -within- hardy afterwards....
[11:55] <Tallken> markit: what problem?
[11:56] <markit> Tallken: that "-kde" part has been removed, and config was on ~.kde4
[11:56] <markit> now should all be in .kde
[11:56] <Tallken> markit: ah! sorry! thought your problem was just with the packages
[11:56] <markit> wondering if settings are copied or I will just loose them
[11:56] <Tallken> markit: forgot the confs location
[11:56] <markit> ok
[11:57] <Tallken> markit: i haven't read this anywhere, but you can try
[11:57] <frybye> markit - at www.kubuntu.org i think.. hang on - sorry...
[11:57] <markit> Tallken: my "history" was: kubuntu kde3, --> kde4 (wityh -kde4) ---> full kde4 with 8.1
[11:57] <frybye> markit see:- https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[11:58] <markit> frybye: thanks, but as I stated, the problem is not cited... seems strange to me
[11:58] <frybye> 8.1 is not yet available - only 8.1-beta and that has kde4.1 as far as I know...
[11:58] <Tallken> markit: before starting the upgrade, _copy_ the whole .kde4 folder to a backup folder
[11:58] <zeno> is there a guide to getting wl to work?
[11:58] <markit> Tallken: that's a good tip :)
[11:59] <Tallken> frybye: KDE4 settings in 8.04 were kept in .kde4 ; in 8.10 beta, in .kde ; he is worried he might lose the settings
[11:59] <Tallken> markit: but wait, there is more
[11:59] <frybye> if your question is - can i choose kde3 or kde4 for intrepid - answer is no - only comes with kde4.*something*
[11:59] <Tallken> frybye: read what I said
[11:59] <markit> and my OLD kde3 settings are still in .kde
[11:59] <frybye> not sure if compatable...
[11:59] <Tallken> markit: immediately before starting the upgrade, rename .kde to OLD-kde3 or something like that
[11:59] <frybye> Tallken: yeah seen it now...
[12:00] <Tallken> markit: immediately before starting the upgrade, and copy again .kde4 to .kde
[12:00] <frybye> Tallken: but can you take all the settings from hardy too intrepid - nomatter where or how you store them...?
[12:00] <Tallken> markit: don't rename unless you do a clean install, otherwise your current KDE4 install might go wacko
[12:01] <Tallken> markit: copy twice: .kde4 -> ~/BACKUPkde4 ; .kde4 -> .kde
[12:01] <frybye> I ended up doing a fresh install - there was a dual boot with opensuse11 on the pc and after intrepid update the fhing was miffed...
[12:01] <Tallken> markit: should work
[12:01] <frybye> so I did a complete wipe out and fresh install...
[12:01] <Tallken> frybye: the thing is KDE4 in 8.04 was not official
[12:01] <Tallken> frybye: and settings went to .kde4
[12:01] <kiba_> hi
[12:01] <kiba_> how do I resume the installation wizard?
[12:02] <rski> what do you mean
[12:02] <Tallken> frybye: I don't expect the upgrade path 8.04 KDE4 -> 8.10 KDE is fully supported in the sense of seamless settings import...
[12:02] <Rioting_pacifist> Tallken: will that not remove settings for the kde3 apps that still exist?
[12:02] <kiba_> I quit the installation wizard to 8.10 because it got stuck on that virtualbox-ose
[12:02] <frybye> Tallken: that was my impression also...
[12:03] <Rioting_pacifist> kiba_: stuck downloading or installing?
[12:03] <kiba_> installing
[12:03] <Tallken> markit: do you want to keep your KDE3 settings?
[12:03] <kiba_> I know that was a dumb move
[12:03] <Tallken> Rioting_pacifist: yes, I expected he didn't want to keep them
[12:04] <kiba_> but it wasn't progressing any further
[12:04] <kiba_> and the terminal is buggy
[12:04] <markit> Tallken: not at all
[12:04] <kiba_> I don't know where it is taking place in the show terminal
[12:04] <markit> Tallken: fear will conflict with kde4 usage
[12:04] <rom1v> hi
[12:04] <Tallken> kiba_: In case stuff gows awry, if you want to skip trying a clean install, use the alternate cd ; if you want to save bandwidth and have a faster download, use JIGDO and point it to /var/cache/apt/archives for the partially downloaded files, when it asks you to; otherwise, just download the ISO
[12:04] <Rioting_pacifist> ahh if you were using the liveCD then i have no idea, i was just going to recommend running the last command again
[12:04] <Tallken> *goes
[12:04] <rom1v> in hardy, when I installed digikam (on ubuntu-gnome), it installed some kde libs
[12:05] <rom1v> but in intrepid
[12:05] <s0me> hey everyone.can u tell me some good im messenger like licq ?
[12:05] <rom1v> it install ALL kde (kmail, koqueror, dolphin, k3b...)
[12:05] <rom1v> how to avoid that?
[12:05] <zeno> do you think it is possible to get BCM43XG working?
[12:05] <Rioting_pacifist> s0me: ubuntu comes with pidgin/kopete
[12:05] <kiba_> Tallken: it is an installation problem, not a download problem
[12:05] <kiba_> all the packages are now downloaded
[12:06] <Tallken> markit: COPY .kde4 -> BACKUPkde4 ; MOVE .kde -> OLDkde3 ; COPY .kde4 -> .kde ;
[12:06] <s0me> pidgin work only with groups/ all my group are empty so i cant see contacts
[12:06] <kiba_> and I can't use apt
[12:07] <Tallken> kiba_: why?
[12:07] <kiba_> because apperantly, the resource is still locked
[12:07] <rom1v> do someone know how to avoid that?
[12:07] <Tallken> lulz
[12:07] <Tallken> doesn't it give the locking file?
[12:07] <Tallken> kiba_: like /var/lock something?
[12:07] <kiba_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:07] <Rioting_pacifist> s0me: there must be some setting to not use groups, but i use kde so dont know pidgin settings try asking in #ubuntu
[12:07] <Tallken> ok
[12:07] <Tallken> wait
[12:08] <stdin> !aptfix
[12:08] <kiba_> I hate update GUI
[12:08] <s0me> Rioting_pacifist ok thx
[12:09] <damhyojung> anyboby installed 8.10beta???
[12:09] <Tallken> kiba_: look at what ubottu said
[12:10] <Tallken> stdin: thanks! didn't know about fuser :D I always do what it does manually :D
[12:10] <stdin> yeah, fuser saves some hassle :)
[12:10] <kiba_> woah
[12:11] <kiba_> you know
[12:11] <kiba_> I hate update GUI
[12:11] <Tallken> kiba_: use the CLI lol
[12:11] <Tallken> kiba_: anyway
[12:11] <kiba_> so damn annoying compared to the terminal
[12:11] <Tallken> kiba_: just try to restart it
[12:11] <Tallken> kiba_: if it doesn't work
[12:12] <kiba_> well now it is upgrading everything..
[12:12] <Tallken> kiba_: say my nick so my IRC window flashes
[12:12] <kiba_> why?
[12:12] <damhyojung> anybody from China??
[12:13] <zeno> why deleted? https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/bcm43xx-fwcutter? doenst work either?
[12:13] <bazhang> !cn | damhyojung
[12:13] <Tallken> [12:11] <Tallken> kiba_: if it doesn't work [12:12] <Tallken> kiba_: say my nick so my IRC window flashes
[12:13] <Tallken> I'm minimizing the window
[12:15] <damhyojung> thanks anyway
[12:17] <biberao> hello
[12:19] <Rafik> hi, is there any chance to get OOo 3 with intrepid ?
[12:19] <Tallken> hum... I expected openSuSE's fix to the HDD Load Cycle Count issue would be incorporated in this Ubuntu release
[12:19] <Rafik> as rc3 is out..
[12:21] <Trewas> Tallken: how did they fix it?
[12:23] <Tallken> They have a script which checks the harddrive's info against a "database" (aka, text file) of known bad harddrives and apply correct settings, usualy 254. I'm not aware if it survives a suspend, I'm guessing it does, but haven't tested it
[12:25] <OzoNe> hi, anyone knows how to get nvidia restricted drivers-173 working on intrepid? My old config don't work with the new x.org version seems
[12:25] <Tallken> Trewas: ping, replied to you, forgot to type your nick, 3 lines above.
[12:25] <Trewas> Tallken: sounds quite simple, running that again when resuming from suspend would be easy if HDs lose those settings
[12:27] <Tallken> Trewas: ya, I suppose. Some people say from time to time the HDD reverts to 128, testing it now, I had laptop-mode-tools brute forcing 254 on Hardy :P
[12:27] <Trewas> I have a thinkpad X41 which has a harddrive with way too aggressive powersaving no matter what settings, I don't care about it breaking but head unloading makes annoying and LOUD click
[12:28] <zeno> is there any hope to get BCM43XG working?
[12:29] <Tallken> Trewas: Pavillion 6500 here, supposedly a BIOS update came out which fixed it, but can't find it
[12:32] <mifritscher> hi
[12:32] <mifritscher> how can I set the maschine into standby?
[12:33] <mifritscher> I didn't find it under sytem ->shutdown
[12:34] <mifritscher> also, hibernation and shutdown don't work, but these are displayer
[12:34] <mifritscher> a echo disk >/sys/power/state works
[12:34] <mifritscher> so... any ideas?
[12:34] <Tallken> mifritscher: you using 8.10 beta?
[12:34] <mifritscher> yes
[12:35] <mifritscher> I upgraded few minutres ago
[12:35] <mifritscher> (and restarted then)
[12:35] <Tallken> mifritscher: ok, wait, checking sth
[12:35] <mifritscher> but I got the problem for few weeks now
[12:36] <biberao> any ideas to improve speed in ubuntu like boot and the use?
[12:37] <Tallken> mifritscher: $ hal-device  |grep system.hardware.product
[12:37] <Tallken> mifritscher: and tell me the output
[12:38] <mifritscher>  system.hardware.product = '776295G'  (string)
[12:38] <mifritscher> its a ibm thinkpad x61 (tablet edition)
[12:39] <mifritscher> the number relates to the exapt configuration
[12:39] <mifritscher> core2duo, g965+ich8
[12:39] <Tallken> hum... you don't happen to have a Intel Gigabit Ethernet, do you?
[12:39] <mifritscher> yes, I've
[12:39] <mifritscher> 2.6.27er kernel disabled this, the beta seem to installed a new 2.6.26 kernel
[12:40] <mifritscher> but its right,  I've spurios other problems, too
[12:40] <mifritscher> (tablet very instable, without wacdump it doesn't work at all, crashes in X etc.)
[12:40] <lore20> GREAT, beta released = graphics stop working!
[12:41] <Tallken> maybe you should revert to an old version until it gets clear what's going on
[12:41] <Tallken> mifritscher:  maybe you should revert to an old version until it gets clear what's going on
[12:41] <mifritscher> if you want to see my other bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~michael-fritscher
[12:41] <biberao> lore20 nvidia?
[12:41] <lore20> no... vmware
[12:41] <Tallken> mifritscher: though it's not very probable, you can get your Intel Gigabit fried....
[12:41] <Tallken> mifritscher: ok to be 100%, Intel Gigabit with incorrent info in EEPROM
[12:42] <mifritscher> as I said, I use the 2.6.26 kernel now
[12:42] <Tallken> mifritscher: ah sorry missed that
[12:42] <mifritscher> yeah, I know ;)
[12:42] <Tallken> mifritscher: you using KDE?
[12:42] <mifritscher> no, gnome
[12:42] <mifritscher> on xfce I get the "normal" shutdown box with all 8 or so options
[12:43] <lore20> mifritscher, when have u upgraded to 2.6.27?
[12:43] <Tallken> mifritscher: ok, my menu icon in KDE is a blue circle with a left arrow, thought it was a bug, wanted to check if I was the only one
[12:43] <mifritscher> lore, some time ago
[12:43] <mifritscher> if it was relaesed on ubuntu
[12:43] <mifritscher> if you want to see my other bugs: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~michael-fritscher
[12:43] <mifritscher> grml, I it seems that this was already sent
[12:44] <lore20> mifritscher, on intrepid?
[12:44] <mifritscher> sorry^^
[12:44] <mifritscher> yes
[12:44] <Tallken> mifritscher: sent what?
[12:44] <mifritscher> the line about launchpad
[12:44] <Tallken> ah
[12:44] <lore20> and now it doesn't work with 2.6.26?
[12:44] <mifritscher> 2.6.26 didn't changed anything
[12:45] <lore20> you might have bricked your network adapter
[12:46] <mifritscher> the network adapter is working all right until now ;)
[12:46] <mifritscher> (detected and right ip)
[12:46] <lore20> have u tried it with windows?
[12:46] <lore20> and what's the problem ?
[12:47] <Tallken> lore20: you don't brick the network adapter until it fails to enumerate on the PCIE bus and even so a BIOS update may get it back to life; you *just* corrupt it's firmware :P
[12:47] <mifritscher> lore20: not displaying standby, all options in the shutdown-menu aren't working
[12:47] <Tallken> mifritscher: Xfce uses hal values as well? do you know?
[12:47] <mifritscher> no, sorry
[12:47] <Tallken> mifritscher: ah and restart and shutdown also don't work?
[12:48] <mifritscher> yes
[12:48] <mifritscher> no reaction
[12:48] <mifritscher> I suspect a right problem
[12:48] <mifritscher> as normal shutdown -h now is working
[12:48] <Tallken> mifritscher: ok, forget then, I was assuming it was a blacklisting in HAL, I was looking for your model in /usr/share/hal/fdi/information/ ; but if the other options don't work, shouldn't be it...
[12:49] <mifritscher> as I said: standby isn't even displayed, the others are displayed
[12:49] <Tallken> mifritscher: as a workaround, use sudo pm-suspend to suspend (won't lock the screen though) instead of echo mem > (...)
[12:50] <mifritscher> hmm
[12:50] <Tallken> mifritscher: well, don't know what the issue is then
[12:50] <mifritscher> yust found an interesting thing
[12:50] <Tallken> what?
[12:51] <mifritscher> thera are actually quirks for my thinkpad
[12:51] <mifritscher> but I'm trying it now
[12:51] <mifritscher> it didn't resume clrearly with the echo
[12:52] <mifritscher> but I suspect that the quirks are only applied with the pm-suspend?
[12:52] <mifritscher> trying
[12:52] <mifritscher> if it lasts longer the notebook crashed^^
[12:52] <mifritscher> ok
[12:53] <mifritscher> nothing happened *G*
[12:54] <mifritscher> I wrapped it with strace
[12:54] <mifritscher> it seems that it doesn find s2ram?
[12:54] <Linux_Galore> well that huge update worked
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> 56 packages
[12:55] <Tallken> mifritscher: LOL ?
[12:55] <Tallken> mifritscher: weird
[12:55] <Tallken> mifritscher: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop just in case lol
[12:55] <Linux_Galore> you guys should try running kde 4/interpid  lots of weirdness
[12:56] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: you using KDE4?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> like a puzzle within a puzzle
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> yes
[12:56] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: you also get a menu icon which is a Left arrow in a blue circle?
[12:56] <Linux_Galore> no
[12:56] <mifritscher> Tallken: as the package search ( http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=s2ram&mode=filename&suite=intrepid&arch=any )
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> I get the normal K menu icon
[12:57] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: how is the first icon in the taskbar?
[12:57] <Linux_Galore> fine its the file applet
[12:57] <Tallken> mifritscher: %-|
[12:57] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: shouldn't it be the K menu?
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> Quick access applet
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> no I had the same in kde 3.5
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> first icon obviously is the K menu thats normal
[12:58] <Linux_Galore> I thought you meant the one after
[12:59] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: I get a blue circle with a left arrow LOL :D
[12:59] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: like in a browser, to go backwards
[12:59] <zeno> does b43 work with intrepid
[12:59] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: aah its linking the wrong icon, just swap icon themes then swap back to the default
[12:59] <Tallken> mifritscher: well..... you can get dpkg reconfiguring everything :P
[13:00] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: that should force the k menu icon back to the norm
[13:01] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: LOL thanks, it worked :)
[13:01] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: does drag and drop work for you, I found the fix for that
[13:02] <Linux_Galore> ie dragging an icon from the menu to the taskbar
[13:02] <Tallken> didn't try to drag and drop
[13:02] <Linux_Galore> ie an application icon
[13:02] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: is gtk-qt-engine working for ya?
[13:02] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: yes works fine
[13:03] <Linux_Galore> had a problem with the fonts but I figured that out
[13:03] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: my GTK apps have a retro feeling
[13:04] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: dragging from desktop to Kate works
[13:04] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: aah yes, you may have to install gnome and define the theme as right now gtk apps are running on default
[13:04] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: dragging from the K menu to taskbar as well
[13:05] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: you got better than me I had no drag and drop accept within konqueror -> desktop
[13:05] <rmn> how do i avoid having the tld in hostname.local when pinging other hosts?
[13:06] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: then I dragged an application link icon from konqueror to taskbar and bang konqueror seems to have fixed the bug for me
[13:06] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: lol
[13:06] <Tallken> weird
[13:06] <Linux_Galore> all my drag and drops work
[13:07] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: well, bugs found so far; first boot failed on kernel boot, didn't understand why, got a garbled display and puff! hanged (I don't have splashscreen on)
[13:07] <Linux_Galore> if I dragged from the menu to my desktop I got a text file lol with nothing in it
[13:07] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: this the install ?
[13:07] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: let me try it
[13:08] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: after installing
[13:08] <Linux_Galore> I couldnt get it to install at all for two days
[13:08] <Linux_Galore> then I did something stupid and it worked lol
[13:09] <Linux_Galore> I selected "use driver cd" in the options and for some weird reason the installer worked
[13:09] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: upgraded from Hardy
[13:09] <Linux_Galore> ah, I never upgrade I always find things break
[13:10] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: using alternate CD, mounted the ISO, kdesu /media/cdrom0/cdromupgrade and voila
[13:10] <Linux_Galore> I copy /home to my NAS then do a fresh install
[13:10] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: don't have the time to a clean install but got the need for new version xD
[13:10] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: it was risky being the beta
[13:10] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: but felt the urge to do it :D
[13:11] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: well I just built a brand new machine with a Gigabyte EP45-DS3P mobo so I needed a pretty recent kernel for the new southbridge
[13:11] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: last time I did something like this got a libc6 breakage on my hands :D
[13:11] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: you could always get a git version :P
[13:12] <Linux_Galore> yeah, my last update didnt go well because I always use unofficial sources
[13:12] <Tallken> medibuntu, opera and google repos
[13:12] <Tallken> nothing more
[13:12] <Tallken> mifritscher: how's that going?
[13:12] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: I couldnt be bothered rebuilding a kernel only to find some weirdness is there that I dont have the time to track down
[13:13] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: ok, fair enough :)
[13:13] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: I moved from computers to marketing and now I dont have any time to stuff around for hours
[13:14] <XVampireX> Hi
[13:14] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: do you have keyboard shortcuts to increase the volume?
[13:14]  * Linux_Galore misses the IT support dept
[13:14] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: yes works fine
[13:14] <XVampireX> I installed kubuntu 8.10 now I didn't have any sound for some reason, I'm thinking it's mostly because of the bugged phonon
[13:14] <XVampireX> now I'm installing ubuntu studio
[13:15] <Tallken> phonon ?
[13:15] <XVampireX> KDE4
[13:15] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: scrathc that the last update seems to have screwed up the volume applet
[13:15] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: my progress bar doesn't work, doesn't increase and sometimes the sound seems to go up, sometimes doesn't
[13:15] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: LOL
[13:15] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: bug report!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! to the rescue
[13:15] <XVampireX> >_<
[13:15] <Linux_Galore> Tallken: well all I get is what my volume setting is
[13:16] <Linux_Galore> it doesnt actually change the volume anymore
[13:16] <XVampireX> How can intrepid become beta if it's barely bug free :P
[13:16] <Tallken> XVampireX: explain in detail the sequence of events
[13:16] <Tallken> XVampireX: are easily offended? I'm tempted to make a joke as a reply, but it's not my intention to annoy you? :P
[13:16] <Tallken> *are you
[13:17] <reqqit> So, any news on the UI? Is it going to be the one in the alpha shots?
[13:17] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: I had audio problems, turns out everything is muted
[13:17] <reqqit> or is it still in the air? (or is it being kept 'secret')
[13:17] <Tallken> Linux_Galore: as well, but insist and it seems to work
[13:17] <XVampireX> Well here's how it goes, I had 8.04 KDE4 remix, 64bit edition. Now one thing that really sucked was that sometimes when I boot via the normal kernel (Not recovery) I had some the pc speaker go on madly
[13:17] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: there is not such thing as bug free software
[13:18] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: just more stable and less buggy software than others
[13:18] <XVampireX> Also not always when I got on the splash screen or whatever it was called, when you see kubuntu load up, I saw only the textual start up...
[13:18] <Tallken> XVampireX: pc speaker module is now blacklisted, AFAIK
[13:19] <frybye> Hi - I had horrible sound with the on-board sound system - have switched it off in bios and inserted a pic-sound card but intrepid does not "see" it - how to proceed.. eh has irqprobe got anything top do with this - if yes - how to do boot with irqprobe??
[13:19] <Tallken> XVampireX: using the beta? I always disable splash screen so can't tell you if it is working
[13:19]  * Linux_Galore wonders about noobs using Intrepid
[13:19] <XVampireX> And when I got on Kubuntu itself I didn't have sound, and the nvidia drivers or the xorg didn't let me configure xorg.conf for my nvidia card.... if I add too much to it (That means 1-2 lines) It wouldn't boot into X and would freeze up the kernel most likely...
[13:19] <XVampireX> Yeah I'm using the beta...
[13:19] <frybye> Linux_Galore: fair comment... ;=(
[13:20] <frybye> so how do i get intrepid to see the new sound card???
[13:20] <Tallken> frybye: check the module responsible by the card, use google, and try loading it; check dmesg as well and after you try loading the module
[13:21] <Linux_Galore> should have a warning on the download page,  if you dont know how to run sudo alsamixer  do not install
[13:21] <Tallken> XVampireX: disable the Nvidia drivers for now
[13:21] <XVampireX> Why?
[13:21] <frybye> tallken - can you tell me that a bit more step by step - newbie here...
[13:21] <XVampireX> They work "fine" without those settings, I'm talking about the shm stuff and pixmapplacement
[13:21] <XVampireX> or whatever
[13:21] <Linux_Galore> Nvidia drivers + ATi drivers = dont work
[13:21] <XVampireX> I know....
[13:22] <Tallken> XVampireX: so, the problem ___now__ is what?
[13:22] <frybye> ok - i think i know now... hang on...
[13:22] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: Intrepid has the new new totally different version of xorg
[13:22] <XVampireX> Well I'm really hoping gnome will work.
[13:22] <XVampireX> Linux_Galore: So I heard... something that doesn't require an xorg.conf file
[13:22] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: the old binaries for nvidia and ati "do not work with the new version of xorg"
[13:22] <XVampireX> I'm using the beta binaries
[13:23] <XVampireX> 177.76 on ubuntu
[13:23] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: yes so if things are buggy with the beta driver ??
[13:23] <Linux_Galore> thats normal :-)
[13:23] <XVampireX> No no no...
[13:23] <XVampireX> 32 bit ubuntu first of all worked fine for me with those drivers
[13:23] <Tallken> Linux_Galore, XVampireX, frybye: awaying, cya later
[13:23] <XVampireX> Bye bey :D
[13:23] <XVampireX> bye^
[13:24] <XVampireX> Well I wanted to go back to gnome for a while, KDE4 while being cool with a lot of features is still not stable enough.
[13:24] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: trust me if your going to run beta, run the 32 bit version heh
[13:24] <XVampireX> especially because distros don't know what the heck they are doing with it
[13:25] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: duh!
[13:25] <biberao> ubuntu destroyed my pc
[13:25] <biberao> lol
[13:25] <XVampireX> Well, It's just that I see 64bit increasing the performance a bit...
[13:25] <XVampireX> Which makes me happy :D
[13:25] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: kde 4 is far from mature, I would say 9.04 will be the sweet spot
[13:25] <biberao> it doesnt move
[13:25] <biberao> i think hdd is gone
[13:26] <biberao> but cdroom cant boot either :|
[13:26] <biberao> it boots and it stops
[13:26] <XVampireX> Linux_Galore: You mean KDE 4.2 or 4.3?
[13:26] <XVampireX> I know nvidia are working on a rather nice new driver 180.xx series
[13:26] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: 4.3 should be out by then 4.2 beta is already out
[13:26] <XVampireX> 4.2 beta... right
[13:26] <XVampireX> so why did I uninstall 4.1.2 ?
[13:26] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX:  ??
[13:27] <XVampireX> :P
[13:27] <XVampireX> I bet I didn't uninstall it completely though
[13:27] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: 4.1.2 is the latest stable shall we say
[13:27] <XVampireX> Still must be some non kdelibs5 dependant apps
[13:27] <Linux_Galore> not finnished just stable
[13:27] <XVampireX> the stable is not stable enough :D
[13:27] <Linux_Galore> XVampireX: well so far it hasnt crashed so thats stable for me
[13:28] <mifritscher> re
[13:28] <OzoNe> hi, anyone knows how to get nvidia restricted drivers-173 working on intrepid? My old config don't work with the new x.org version seems
[13:28] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: you cant
[13:28] <Linux_Galore> broken
[13:29] <mifritscher> Tallken: some more infos: hibernation didn't work because of wrong info un  the uswsup.conf
[13:29] <mifritscher> but resume isn't working
[13:29] <mifritscher> while testing it, it didn't found resume data
[13:29] <OzoNe> Linux_Galore, I though that broken drivers was 96-xx and older series
[13:29] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: the old xorg.conf means nothing, not used with xorg 1.5 anymore
[13:29] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: my xorg.conf file is empty
[13:29] <OzoNe> Linux_Galore, then there is no way to get glx working in 1.5 at the moment?
[13:29] <XVampireX> looky there...
[13:29] <XVampireX> I HAVE SOUND!!!!!
[13:29] <mifritscher> but later on booting, while mounting the swap it found hibernation data and reinitilized the swap
[13:29] <XVampireX> >_<
[13:30] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: use the nv driver for now and wait
[13:30] <XVampireX> and I'm on ubuntu studio!
[13:30] <OzoNe> Linux_Galore, my xorg.conf is empty too, but then I haven't acceleration
[13:30] <OzoNe> Linux_Galore, for use nv, I need modify xorg.conf?
[13:30] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: always try envy, they seems to have the latest stuff working
[13:30] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: no just remove the nvidia driver
[13:31] <OzoNe> ok, thanks
[13:31] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: xorg will see its not there then swap to nv
[13:31] <Tallken> mifritscher: so hibernate is working?
[13:31] <XVampireX> Anyway I'll go on via xchat
[13:31] <XVampireX> be right back
[13:31] <mifritscher> Tallken: . hibernate: yes resume: no
[13:31] <OzoNe> and the last question, where can I read about the new drivers?
[13:31] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: to use envy you have to remove the nvidia driver anyway
[13:32] <OzoNe> I don't like envy :S
[13:32] <biberao> ubuntu cd doesnt bring any utility
[13:32] <OzoNe> I will wait
[13:32] <biberao> to test the hdd right?
[13:32] <Linux_Galore> biberao: yes it does
[13:32] <mifritscher> Tallken: the swap is dmcrypted, but the password is asked before trying to resume, and says teh right device
[13:32] <mifritscher> /dev/mapper/sda8_crypt
[13:33] <OzoNe> Linux_Galore, in ubuntuforums there is ppl with nvidia drivers working in 1.5 :S
[13:33] <mifritscher> perhaps a version mismtch  or something?
[13:33] <biberao> Linux_Galore i installed ubuntu and it stops in the loader
[13:33] <biberao> after that tried to boot the cd again
[13:33] <Linux_Galore> OzoNe: yes, bet they are using the envy hacks
[13:33] <biberao> and now it stops in the loader before installing
[13:33] <biberao> any idea what could be?
[13:33] <zorglu_> q. what is mythubuntu
[13:34] <Linux_Galore> biberao: select the "use driver cd" option after the language section, I think it under f4
[13:34] <Tallken> mifritscher: no idea
[13:34] <Linux_Galore> when it asks for the cd hit enter
[13:34] <mifritscher> Tallken, ok
[13:34] <biberao> i think the hdd fried
[13:35] <mifritscher> Tallken: do you know who makes the s2suspend?
[13:35] <Linux_Galore> biberao: Linux doesnt tough the hdd till it does the install
[13:35] <Tallken> mifritscher: nop
[13:35] <Linux_Galore> touch*
[13:35] <biberao> Linux_Galore
[13:35] <Tallken> mifritscher: awaying
[13:35] <biberao> so can be the cd problems?
[13:35] <biberao> but it was working yesterday
[13:35] <Linux_Galore> biberao: not the cd read what I posted
[13:35] <biberao> maybe the drive
[13:35] <mifritscher> btw, on a 8.04 there isn't s2*
[13:36] <biberao> Linux_Galore what for use driver cd?
[13:36] <Linux_Galore> biberao: you dont
[13:36] <frybye> hi - how can I view the file /dev/sndstat - with OPEN i get a menu but cant find kate or similar anywhere?
[13:36] <Linux_Galore> biberao: you force it to black list the problem hardware thus it goes into a normal install
[13:36] <Linux_Galore> biberao: as I said read what I posted
[13:37] <biberao> i did that
[13:37] <biberao> happens the same
[13:37] <Linux_Galore> biberao: so does it ask you for the CD ?
[13:37] <biberao> yes
[13:37] <biberao> i chose enter
[13:37] <Linux_Galore> then hit enter
[13:37] <biberao> but it was already frozen
[13:38] <biberao> maybe ill use
[13:38] <biberao> usb pen
[13:38] <Linux_Galore> sounds like a bad cd
[13:38] <biberao> to install ubuntu
[13:38] <biberao> no
[13:38] <biberao> it worked yesterday
[13:38] <frybye> even when i run kdesudo kate and go to /dev/sndstat it wont let me read it...????
[13:38] <biberao> to install 2 ubuntus
[13:38] <biberao> i think the drive fried
[13:38] <biberao> dvd drive
[13:39] <Linux_Galore> aah, swap it then
[13:39] <biberao> or maybe the HDD
[13:39] <biberao> something happen
[13:39] <biberao> cant i use usb?
[13:39] <biberao> to install it?
[13:39] <Linux_Galore> biberao: yes if the bios supports it
[13:39] <biberao> it does
[13:39] <aji_> Does someone know why hydrogen in ubuntu intrepid is crashing whole computer?
[13:39] <biberao> Linux_Galore isnt there an utility
[13:39] <biberao> ?
[13:40] <Linux_Galore> biberao: yes google it, there are a few howto's
[13:40] <XVampireX> Boo :D
[13:41] <Linux_Galore> aji_: run it in the command line see were its bugging out
[13:41] <biberao> i cant remember the one
[13:41] <biberao> arr
[13:41] <biberao> brb
[13:42] <biberao> live usb creator
[13:43] <aji_> Linux_Galore, http://pastebin.com/d15086b71
[13:43] <aji_> after that welcome screen starts, and then total crash
[13:43] <aji_> i have to reboot whole computer
[13:44] <biberao> aji_ isnt that old version?
[13:44] <aji_> im running inteprid x86_64 "installation with Linux wotan 2.6.26-1-rt #1 SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Aug 29 12:39:10 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux"
[13:45] <biberao> i mean
[13:45] <biberao> hydrogen
[13:57] <XVampireX> I've got a little problem, if anyone could help me :D
[13:57] <XVampireX> So I had KDE4, and I also had the gtk-qt engine, now I'm on Gnome and gtk-qt engine is still working, though I uninstalled KDE4...
[13:57] <derspankster> pretty quiet this time about the new version. Any reason to get excited about an upgrade from those of you running the beta?
[14:02] <teethdood> I couldn't boot into Ibex using the latest kernel for the past couple of days, had to use the "Last Successful Boot." Anyone experiencing the same thing?
[14:05] <platius> teethdood;  2.6.27-4-generic is booting fine 4 me
[14:06] <mifritscher> Tallken: it is NOT related to the dmcrypt
[14:07] <mifritscher> Tallken:  it seems that there even sould exist no s2suspend
[14:08] <m3F> hi
[14:08] <m3F> i downloaded the intrepid beta, but it does not recognize one of my hard disc drives (the primary one), is this a known bug in the installer? i can see the 5 partitions in the LiveCD, but, when i run the installation process the primary hard drive appears empty.
[14:09] <m3F> or maybe my liveCD is the broken one?
[14:10] <m3F> i do not think so, because the live CD runs good, and i can see does partitions in nautilus running the liveCD
[14:10] <m3F> those partitions*
[14:11] <mifritscher> sorry, mean s2ram
[14:12] <m3F> ?
[14:12] <m3F> btw, i really like ubuntu, becouse of the art of the stuff and the great integration between gnome and compiz and awn
[14:13] <m3F> but one thing i really do not like at all is the pour PulseAudio integration
[14:13] <rski> no idea
[14:13] <rski> file a bug
[14:13] <teethdood> m3F: have you tried mounting it manually? does it still appear empty?
[14:14] <m3F> i thought maybe in this new release, with the new Alsa the things would change, but it seems they are not
[14:15] <mifritscher> Tallken: after a bit searching, I assume that s2ram was forgot to pack in uwsusp
[14:15] <m3F> why ubuntu does not improve his audio system? PulseAudio is really pour in Ubuntu, even the new Intrepid
[14:16] <Frijolie> hola?
[14:16] <m3F> teethdood: i see my partitions in the Nautilus Live CD, if i mount it, i could not install anything there
[14:16] <m3F> Frijolie: hola amigo
[14:17] <Frijolie> I'm looking at upgrading from Hardy to Intrepid via LiveCD, but I don't want to overwrite my current /home partition
[14:17] <Frijolie> is this an easy task, or something a little more advanced?
[14:18] <m3F> Frijolie: there is a command you have to run to upgrade from hardy to intrepid
[14:18] <Frijolie> the updrade -d
[14:18] <m3F> Frijolie: there is an app for that
[14:18] <Tallken> mifritscher: ??? weird
[14:18] <bytor4232> upgrade-manager -d
[14:18] <m3F> yes, that one
[14:18] <Frijolie> bytor4232: yeah that thanks
[14:18] <Tallken> mifritscher: but I can suspend, so that's weird
[14:18] <Frijolie> m3F: wouldn't it be better to do a fresh install?
[14:19] <m3F> Frijolie: personally, i do not like to upgrade, always problems
[14:19] <bytor4232> So far the move from Hardy to Intrepid went fabulous with me, except for one problem.  NetworkManager on my Laptop forgot my security key for my wireless access point.
[14:19] <m3F> bytor4232: really a very little problem, right?
[14:19] <Frijolie> m3F: I had problems with the Feisty --> Gutsy upgrade by doing it that way
[14:20] <bytor4232> I have all my desktops and my primary laptop upgraded.  The only thing thats still Hardy is my server, which will probably stay hardy for a while.
[14:20] <bytor4232> m3F: yeah, just had to enter the key back in.
[14:20] <m3F> Frijolie: me too
[14:20] <Frijolie> bytor4232: due to LTS right?
[14:20] <bytor4232> m3F: More of an annoyance.
[14:20] <bytor4232> Frijolie: Yes
[14:20] <bytor4232> Frijolie: Its a server afterall.
[14:20] <mifritscher> Tallken: back to the s2disk issue: it works now from an unencrypted disk :-)
[14:21] <mifritscher> Tallken: , what do oyu have in yours /etc/acpi/sleep.sh?
[14:21] <Frijolie> when you do the "upgrade-manager -d" does that change your repos over to Intrepid as well?
[14:21] <m3F> Frijolie: it have to, that is a must
[14:21] <kiba> hi
[14:22] <mifritscher> Tallken: , I try to put back the echo disk/mem in it
[14:22] <kiba> it seem that the latest kernel image doesn't work for me
[14:22] <aji_> Why in intrepid there is no AUDIO group?
[14:22] <kiba> how do I kill the kdm?
[14:22] <aji_> i had to create it manually to edit limits.conf to support realtime cabaplities
[14:23] <m3F> why Pulseaudio is so pour in Ubuntu?
[14:23] <mifritscher> Tallken: ah, even in /etc/acpi there is the echo command
[14:23] <mifritscher> ->patching pm-suspend
[14:24] <m3F> i have lots of problems in hardy to set my audio system to surround, due to Pulseaudio is not well implemented in ubuntu
[14:24]  * kiba wonders how to kill the kdm
[14:24] <kiba> my kdm is not behaving
[14:25] <m3F> kiba, maybe if you install gdm over kdm
[14:25] <m3F> or maybe is you remove and purge kdm and install it back
[14:25] <Frijolie> well I'm in the process of backing up my data now...so if I have to wipe it I won't loose data
[14:25] <markit> kiba: /etc/init.d/kdm stop ?
[14:26] <m3F> :)
[14:26] <Frijolie> m3f: I agree PulseAudio blows! I'm having troubles with it in Hardy, but have been told that may be fixed in Intrepid. My main reason for the upgrade
[14:27] <m3F> i seems Ubuntu worry about everything but Sound System (Pulse Audio)
[14:27] <XVampireX> Does anyone here have problem with enabling totem bbc plugin?
[14:27] <mifritscher> Tallken: found the finally pproblem it seems
[14:27] <Tallken> I don't know what makes rcconf show a whole new world of init scripts available to enable/disable now, but I like it :D
[14:27] <Tallken> mifritscher: what?
[14:28] <mifritscher> pm-action's configfile that it is defaulting to kernel
[14:28] <aji_> so why there is no audio group in intrepid?
[14:28] <mifritscher> but it ueses uwsusp as deafult
[14:28] <mifritscher> ->I set it to kernel
[14:28] <mifritscher> ->works :-)
[14:29] <mifritscher> the only problem is the gpu now ;)
[14:30] <m3F> i love the eye candy, and ubuntu is the best for me in that matter, but music is my lover, and ubuntu does not care to much about my lover, that is sad for me :(
[14:30] <Tallken> mifritscher:
[14:30] <Tallken> mifritscher: cool
[14:30] <Tallken> mifritscher: gotta go, cya! good luck with that :)
[14:30] <mifritscher> Tallken: bye :-)
[14:37] <mifritscher> ah
[14:37] <mifritscher> grml
[14:38] <sourcemaker> I have big problems with kde 8.10...
[14:38] <sourcemaker> kde does not start with my old kde home
[14:40] <sourcemaker> and with a fresh kde home... there are two directories .kde and kde4... why?
[14:43] <m3F> sourcemaker: fresh intrepid installation?
[14:43] <sourcemaker> m3F: no upgrade from hardy...
[14:44] <sourcemaker> and the upgrade manager also crashed...
[14:44] <m3F> sourcemaker: hardy gnome and then you upgrade to intrepid gnome?
[14:44] <sourcemaker> m3F: so I installed the packages via command line... but i hope that there is no difference
[14:44] <m3F> sourcemaker: did you installed kde or kde4 in your hardy gnome before?
[14:44] <Chousuke> acuster: I auppoaw .kde = kde3 and .kde4 is for 4
[14:44] <sourcemaker> m3F: no... hardy kubuntu kde
[14:44] <Chousuke> er
[14:45] <sourcemaker> m3F: kde4
[14:45] <Chousuke> sourcemaker: even
[14:45] <m3F> sourcemaker: you have to start from that, telling that you had hrdy kde4
[14:45] <thepeon> Anybody have some time to help me get a nvidia 8600 and dual monitors set up.  I'm lost
[14:46] <sourcemaker> m3F: I was using kde4.1 using hardy... that I started the upgrade manager... to upgrade my system to intrepid...
[14:46] <sourcemaker> m3F: while installing the new packages... (after download has been completed)... the upgrade manager crashed :-)
[14:47] <sourcemaker> m3F: so I installed the packages via command line... apt-get dist-upgrade... and restarted my system...
[14:48] <sourcemaker> I renamed my old .kde4 profile... because kde did not start with this profile... and I also renamed the old .kde3 profile... because I think it is deprecated...
[14:48] <m3F> sourcemaker: maybe you have to make "sudo apt-get install -f" to fix the crashed upgrade
[14:48] <sourcemaker> m3F: yes... I have done... all packages are installed
[14:49] <sourcemaker> m3F: but now... kde creates 2 directories... (1) .kde (2) .kde4... which one is the right?
[14:49] <kiba> did anybody got amarok-kde4 working?
[14:49] <kiba> it doesn't like to play network
[14:49] <kiba> well..it couldn't play a stream
[14:49] <m3F> sourcemaker: i do not know if the Kubuntu kde4 upgrade is set up as good as the Ubuntu distro upgrade
[14:50] <biberao> hello
[14:50] <m3F> sourcemaker: ok, i heard that the new Kubuntu kde4 is not installing in the old .kde4, so the new distro upgrade set your system to the .kde instead of the old .kde4
[14:51] <m3F> sourcemaker: then, your new system works with the .kde
[14:51] <sourcemaker> m3F: yes... I have tried this... renaming .kde4 to .kde3... but then.. kde does not start... only a black screen
[14:51] <m3F> sourcemaker: i guess the .kde4 is useless now
[14:51] <sourcemaker>  renaming .kde4 to .kde...
[14:52] <sourcemaker> damm
[14:52] <m3F> no no
[14:52] <m3F> sourcemaker: your .kde4 is useless, you do not have to rename
[14:52] <ianliu_88> how can I install other languages for openoffice? I wanted pt-br spellchecker
[14:52] <m3F> sourcemaker: actually,i think you have to remove it
[14:53] <sourcemaker> m3F: why? I would like to use my old configuration and application data?
[14:54] <m3F> sourcemaker: i am not an ubuntu developer, but i think your old personal .kde4 stuff is no longer to be used, becouse the Kubuntu kde4 distro upgrade does not match your old hardy stuff
[14:55] <m3F> because of the .kde4 and the new .kde
[14:56] <m3F> for Kubuntu, it is very different than in gnome ubuntu
[14:56] <m3F> because gnome hardy does not need to set a new .gnome :D
[14:58] <m3F> sourcemaker: i suggest, move manually all your personal stuf from your .kde4 to the new .kde and then remove the .kde4
[14:59] <m3F> sourcemaker: even better, i suggest you have to ask in #kubuntu, not here maybe
[15:09] <stdin> m3F: #kubuntu does not support intrepid
[15:13] <m3F> stdin: so, who does?
[15:13] <stdin> here
[15:13] <m3F> stdin: here?
[15:13] <m3F> ok
[15:13] <stdin> #ubuntu+1 is for all (official) *buntu variant development versions
[15:14] <Delvien> after the last update did anyone elses network card (not the e1000e) not work anymore?
[15:15] <m3F> stdin: why ubuntu does not care about Pulse Audio?, other distros have a much better Pulse integration (Mandriva for example)
[15:15] <stdin> I don't use pulse audio, so don't know
[15:17] <m3F> :)
[15:17] <skyjumper> m3F: what's wrong with it in ubuntu?
[15:17] <m3F> stdin: i need that for surround with audigy SE 7.1 sound card
[15:18] <thepeon> Anybody have time to help me with a disply problem
[15:19] <Delvien> m3F what is the benefit of pulseaudio anyway
[15:21] <skyjumper> Delvien: it takes sound from any number sources at the same time, and outputs to any number of outputs (potentially over the network also)
[15:21] <m3F> Delvien: pulse audio is a sound server, i can duplicate the channels for my sound card, to have surround
[15:21] <Delvien> i see.
[15:21] <m3F> Delvien: i cannot get surround with ALSA by itself
[15:22] <Delvien> im partially deaf, so my 7.1 sounds the same for me :D
[15:23] <m3F> i do not why, but Mandriva asks me if i want surround from the beginning of the instalation process and, when the installation ends, i have surround, something that i can not see in Ubuntu anywhere!!!!!!
[15:24] <m3F> sound system in ubuntu is crappy
[15:24] <Delvien> I agree
[15:24] <Delvien> but its a sacrafice for everything else
[15:24] <m3F> :)
[15:24] <m3F> Delvien: that is my problem, of course, the sacrifice :(
[15:25] <m3F> Delvien: i love music, ubuntu makes my sound card play noises
[15:25] <Delvien> m3f my sound is pefect. using pulseaudio atm
[15:25] <m3F> shows me around 7 sound devices, when there is just one sound card
[15:25] <XVampireX> !realtime
[15:25] <Delvien> m3f only one here :x
[15:26] <XVampireX> !rt
[15:26] <XVampireX> How do I install rt on 8.10 ?
[15:26] <Delvien> XVampireX: if you were looking for realtime, i dont think an RT kernel is the one for you. Hold on
[15:27] <XVampireX> I need it for ubuntu studio, I'm a musician...
[15:27] <m3F> XVampireX: i would install Ubuntu Studio, but i do not have a DVD rom drive
[15:27] <XVampireX> I installed it via apt...
[15:27] <XVampireX> and it didn't come with the real time kernel
[15:27] <Delvien> XVampireX: I see, i thought you were looking for realtime codec
[15:28] <XVampireX> heh
[15:28] <Delvien> XVampireX: Have you installed the rt kernel package>
[15:28] <berniv6> anyone else on kubuntu 8.10 with kde4 redrawing problems that tonights kwin packet (4:4.1.2-0ubuntu2) did not fix?
[15:28] <XVampireX> Delvien, not exactly... it doesn't let me :-/
[15:29] <Delvien> XVampireX:  elaborate
[15:29] <m3F> XVampireX: i have the Ubuntu Studio installer, but i do not have a DVD drive :'(
[15:29] <XVampireX>   linux-rt: Depends: linux-restricted-modules-rt (= 2.6.26.1.5) but it is not going to be installed
[15:29] <XVampireX> E: Broken packages
[15:29] <Delvien> XVampireX: sudo apt-get install -f
[15:30] <Delvien> err, hold on that could be wrong
[15:30] <XVampireX> that command gives me nothing
[15:30] <Delvien> been a while hehe
[15:30] <XVampireX> Might have to downgrade to 8.04 studio
[15:30] <XVampireX> I'll just download it :P
[15:30] <XVampireX> I think it's worth it anyway
[15:31] <Delvien> XVampireX:  might be broken with ibex anyway, since its still in beta
[15:31] <XVampireX> yeah
[15:31] <Delvien> XVampireX:  unless you want to spend time submitting bugs
[15:31] <XVampireX> nah...
[15:32] <XVampireX> Hmm, 32 bit or 64 bit? I 'll choose 32bit this time
[15:32] <Delvien> XVampireX:  try sudo apt-get install --fix-broken
[15:32] <XVampireX> doesn't work :D
[15:32] <rmn> i broke the boot sequence.  bios does no longer start to boot linux, but doing so from the rescue cd works fine (boot from first hdd).  boot-flag dropped?
[15:32] <Delvien> elaborate XVampireX
[15:32] <XVampireX> doesn't fix anything
[15:33] <Delvien> XVampireX:  what does it give you
[15:33] <XVampireX> I know what those commands are supposed to do :D
[15:33] <Delvien> rmn what is the error?
[15:33] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install --fix-broken
[15:33] <XVampireX> Reading package lists... Done
[15:33] <XVampireX> Building dependency tree
[15:33] <XVampireX> Reading state information... Done
[15:33] <XVampireX> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[15:33] <Delvien> XVampireX:  did you remove the broken packages?
[15:33] <rmn> Delvien, no error.  bios just blinks underscore.  as in no bootable devices
[15:33] <XVampireX> Nevermind I'll just get 8.04.1 studio I'll be fine :)
[15:33] <rmn> Delvien, i remade initramfs
[15:33] <Delvien> rmn but does it give you an error, just blinks and thats it?
[15:34] <Delvien> XVampireX:  smart thinking
[15:34] <XVampireX> Besides I have to figure out  how to get zynaddsubfx to work with midi on linux
[15:34] <XVampireX> although with the amount of VSTis that I have, I don't need zynaddsubfx :D
[15:34] <rmn> Delvien, just blinks forever.  and as said when i force it to book from the first hdd via the alternate cd it goes through grub as usual
[15:34] <XVampireX> It's too... electronic and fake anyway
[15:35] <Delvien> XVampireX:  not a sound guy, sounds like gibberish to me. Is there a flux capacitor involved?
[15:36] <XVampireX> Well, MIDI is the messages used mostly by digital music instruments that go from them to the PC and back...
[15:36] <thepeon> Has anyone else had issues with X on 64 bit upgrades?
[15:36] <XVampireX> VSTi's are virtual studio technology instruments... that means you can get a synthesizer or digital piano and use midi to control another virtual instrument on the PC :D
[15:37] <XVampireX> If you want me to get into detail I don't mind :D
[15:37] <Delvien> *snoozes*
[15:37] <Delvien> huh? what
[15:37] <Delvien> :P
[15:37] <rmn> Delvien, do you know of a way to check if the boot-flag is set?
[15:38] <XVampireX> and zynaddsubfx is a ladspa plugin (the VSTis technology for linux) :P
[15:38] <Delvien> rmn install CD is the only way i know, you can check the partitions when it asks you have to partition Select manual
[15:39] <rmn> Delvien, ok, but that involves a new install.  after changing menu.lst for grub is there a command I should run (i think lilo required that back in its day)?
[15:40] <Delvien> rmn you dont have to install, just get to that menu
[15:40] <Delvien> rmn it doesnt change anything
[15:40] <rmn> Delvien, ok.  i'll try gparted first though.  seem to recall that it could see that flag
[15:41] <Delvien> rmn should be able to, but i havent used that tool in years
[15:41] <Dylan^> hey everyone, when trying to boot into ibex, i get some errors spouting about my sr0, has this happened to anyone yet?
[15:41] <Dylan^> if it hasn't, i'll get more details
[15:44] <rmn> reboot attempt...
[15:44] <Delvien> gl
[15:48] <dmh65> !ati
[15:49] <dylan__> "end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 1424776" "Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 178097"
[15:49] <dylan__> it does that three times when trying to boot into live cd environment
[15:49] <dylan__> i
[15:50] <dylan__> any ideas? :(
[15:50] <dmh65> memory?
[15:50] <CarlFK> dylan try the 'check cd for errors' ?
[15:51] <dylan__> alright
[15:52] <dylan__> looks like it's trying to boot into ubuntu...
[15:52] <CarlFK> sorta
[15:53] <dylan__> alright, that did exactly the same thing
[15:53] <dylan__> this is the second cd i've tried as well
[15:53] <CarlFK> the test program needs to be able to read the cd and display output
[15:53] <Delvien> dylan__ sr0 sounds like a cdrom drive aye?
[15:53] <CarlFK> which is what an OS 'does'
[15:53] <Delvien> or a media card reader
[15:53] <dylan__> i'm guessing so Delvien
[15:54] <Delvien> dylan__ you have ubuntu already installed ?
[15:54] <dylan__> no, this is live cd
[15:54] <dylan__> i've been able to use wubi to install
[15:54] <dylan__> but that's not what i wish to do
[15:54] <Delvien> do you have a media card reader installed?
[15:54] <dylan__> yes, but nothing is in theree
[15:55] <Delvien> try disconnecting it from the mobo and booting
[15:55] <dylan__> that could be problematic with my laptop's warranty ;)
[15:56] <dylan__> and it's an asus bios, so it has a horribly limited amount of settings
[15:56] <CarlFK> or tr pluggin something in, give it something to read from
[15:56] <dylan__> alright
[15:56] <CarlFK> (totally guessing here...)
[15:56] <Delvien> dylan__ ah, didnt know it was a lappy
[15:57] <Delvien> dylan__ well cant you just take some wire cutters and chop it off the board ? :D
[15:58] <dylan__> well it appears the girlfriend has stolen my camera, so nothing to plug in there
[15:58] <dylan__> i'm going to go test the cd in her computer
[16:00] <Delvien> dylan__ is it just not booting to live cd?
[16:01] <dylan__> no, it gets past the splash screen
[16:01] <dylan__> and hits busybox
[16:01] <dylan__> i can get a initramfs prompt
[16:01] <Delvien> dylan__ is it a live cd
[16:02] <dylan__> yes
[16:02] <Delvien> dylan__ try and alternative CD
[16:02] <dylan__> yeah i'm going to go burn a new one with higher quality cds
[16:03] <dylan__> i got it through torrent, so md5 hashes are definitely the same as sending end
[16:11] <thepeon> could still use some help with my xserver desplay problems when someone has a chance
[16:11] <Tuv0k> how do you restart the pulseaudio server?
[16:11] <Tuv0k> and why is it dying on me after a few hours or whenedver flash crashes
[16:11] <Tuv0k> I have to reboot to regain audio?
[16:11] <Tuv0k> /etc/init.d/pulseaudio restart does restart the server
[16:12] <Delvien> Tuv0k they are still working on it
[16:12] <Delvien> Tuv0k several bugs are opened up about pulse
[16:12] <Delvien> thepeon whats happening
[16:12] <Tuv0k> thanks
[16:15] <thepeon> Delvien, every time I change the drivers and reboot X, it kicks me into low grafics mode
[16:15] <Delvien> thepeon what gfx card
[16:16] <thepeon> nvidia 8600 GT XXX
[16:16] <Delvien> I have the same card,
[16:16] <Delvien> do you have the nvidia-glx-new package installed?
[16:16] <thepeon> I'll take a look
[16:17] <void^> that's nvidia-glx-177 now
[16:17] <thepeon> Yea, I installed that last night both manualy and through the restricted drivers
[16:18] <Delvien> void^ ah, thanks :D
[16:18] <thepeon> when I did it manualy, I realoaded X with no problem, but when I went to setup the second monitor, I had to reboot and it went into low graphics again
[16:19] <Delvien> you disconnect the 2nd monitor and try again?
[16:20] <thepeon> Let me give that a try
[16:22] <rzk> http://www.ubuntista.com/filez/ubuntu-logo_by-ubuntista-com_1.jpg
[16:28] <thepeon> Delvien, getting met with the low-graphics mode again
[16:28] <Delvien> thepeon using intrepid right?
[16:28] <marlies> ahhhhhh
[16:28] <thepeon> "Faild to load module 'type1' (module does not exist,0)
[16:28] <thepeon> yep
[16:28] <Delvien> hmm
[16:28] <thepeon> 64 bit
[16:28] <Delvien> eww
[16:29] <thepeon> I dont like the "eww"...
[16:29] <marlies> I have installed the upgrade directly from the upgrade tool, and now when I start I put my user name and password and then keeps there waiting let's say for nautilus, but I an not sure, some suggestions boys ?!!? and girls ?!!?!
[16:30] <Delvien> thepeon do you have restricted modules installed?
[16:30] <dmh65> !ati
[16:30] <thepeon> I did for hardy, do I have to install it again?
[16:30] <dylan__> gah, ibex hates me.
[16:30] <dmh65> try to remember that Ibex is using xorg 7.4
[16:30] <Delvien> thepeon you are running a different kernel, of course you do
[16:31] <dmh65> ati driver stops at xorg 7.3
[16:31] <thepeon> oh
[16:31] <Delvien> thepeon linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-4-generic (or whatever one you are running )
[16:31] <thepeon> what else would I be running other then generic?
[16:32] <Delvien> thepeon sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic should work
[16:32] <Delvien> thepeon in a terminal run "uname -r"
[16:32] <marlies> I have installed the upgrade directly from the upgrade tool, and now when I start I put my user name and password and then keeps there waiting let's say for nautilus, but I an not sure, some suggestions boys ?!!? and girls ?!!?!
[16:32] <marlies> I mean the beta ibex upgrade
[16:33] <thepeon> 2.6.24-17-generic
[16:33] <Delvien> marlies that is broken english and i cant understand it "and then keeps there waiting let's say for nautilus"
[16:33] <dmh65> marlies upgrade what?
[16:33] <Delvien> thepeon aye do this "sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic"
[16:34] <thepeon> already installed
[16:34] <Delvien> thepeon wait.. why are you using hardy's kernel with intrepid
[16:35] <dmh65> I hardly even watch a dvd in Linux, boot to vista for that :)
[16:35] <thepeon> If I am, I'm not meaing to
[16:35] <marlies> I mean the beta ibex upgrade
[16:35] <marlies> I have installed the upgrade directly from the upgrade tool, and now when I start I put my user name and password and then keeps there waiting let's say for nautilus, but I an not sure, some suggestions boys ?!!? and girls ?!!?!
[16:35] <Delvien> thepeon should be using x.x.27-x
[16:35] <dmh65> marlies why not do a fresh install?
[16:35] <marlies> cause I want to keep old programas file and so
[16:35] <aji_> Anyone have a Intel X4500HD display adapter?
[16:35] <Delvien> marlies repeating the question doesnt mean someone is going to answer it
[16:35] <marlies> can I do that ?
[16:36] <dmh65> just backem up
[16:36] <marlies> sorry Delvien
[16:36] <marlies> if I don't repeat it
[16:36] <marlies> then no body will see it
[16:36] <dmh65> just backup your files
[16:36] <Delvien> marlies I already said i saw it, and i dont understand what you are asking
[16:36] <thepeon> nope, 2.6.24-17, how do I fix that
[16:37] <Delvien> thepeon reboot and boot into the proper kernel from the grub menu
[16:37] <Delvien> thepeon (the newest) .27
[16:37] <marlies> well, I have upgraded, to ibex beta, and then I could not started up the system anymore, stop after logging in
[16:37] <Delvien> thepeon i had troubles with .24 kernel in intrepid
[16:37] <Delvien> marlies any error?
[16:37] <thepeon> I didn't see one listed, I'll get to grub and let you know what I have.
[16:37] <marlies> well during the upgrade, there were somethings that could not be setted up
[16:38] <marlies> so I have passed it over as only option that existed
[16:39] <thepeon> Delvien, I have x.x.24-17-generic and x.x.24-16openvz and generic, no .27
[16:39] <Delvien> thepeon and you are in intrepid?
[16:39] <dmh65> marlies is it wise to upgrade a stable production sytem to a testing beta, you tell me!
[16:39] <thepeon> no, sitting at grub
[16:39] <dmh65> *system
[16:39] <marlies> yes, I have learned now
[16:39] <dmh65> :)
[16:40] <Delvien> Well i mean you have intrepid installed
[16:40] <thepeon> infact grup stil says 8.04 for all the kernel options
[16:40] <thepeon> yes
[16:40] <dmh65> backup your important stuff and do a fresh install, all will be fine then
[16:40] <marlies> ok
[16:40] <marlies> thank you
[16:40] <marlies> then
[16:40] <dmh65> your welcome
[16:41] <Delvien> thepeon then you arent in intrepid :p
[16:42] <aji_> what is status of intel driver?
[16:42] <Delvien> aji_ still blacklisted
[16:43] <aji_> Delvien, why?
[16:43] <Delvien> aji_ still broken is my guess
[16:43] <aji_> Delvien, oh the e1000e
[16:43] <td123> aji_: because the developers can't do everything at once...
[16:43] <marlies> hey guys I could enter, in gnome safe mode
[16:43] <aji_> ok, but i meant intel display adapter
[16:43] <marlies> and I can start yakuake
[16:43] <Delvien> aji_ ah, dont know
[16:43] <marlies> but no alt f2 or so
[16:43] <td123> aji_: why is that blacklisted?
[16:44] <rzk> td123: it can brick the EPROM
[16:44] <marlies> maybe you know something from the command line
[16:44] <td123> rzk: thats the intel network card...
[16:44] <rzk> i know
[16:44] <aji_> i have x4500hd (g45-chipset) and i have to disable dri if i want to use it
[16:44] <thepeon> Delvien, I run system monitor and under system it says I'm running 8.10
[16:44] <td123> rzk: I was asking why the graphics was blacklisted
[16:44] <aji_> i made bug raport already
[16:44] <rzk> oh.
[16:44] <Delvien> thepeon hmm, i think your install is borked or something
[16:45] <thepeon> could it be a grub issue??
[16:45] <aji_> td123, no no.. graphic intel driver is no blacklisted,
[16:45] <td123> rzk: if you've read any linux news recently, you heard about that bug :P
[16:45] <thepeon> or is there a way to upgrade the kernel
[16:45] <td123> aji_: you said the display adapter..
[16:45] <Delvien> thepeon install it via synaptic
[16:46] <aji_> td123, yes i asked if someone know what is status of intel display adapter driver, cause it creates hard locks
[16:46] <dmh65> how long has the synaptic pkg manager been around?
[16:46] <marlies> Delvien I have made dpkg --configure -a in yakuake and it gaves me a lot of errors
[16:47] <dmh65> I used SuSE for years so I am new to debian and ubuntu
[16:47] <thepeon> Delvien, what package?
[16:47] <Delvien> marlies sorry, not a KDE guys
[16:47] <Delvien> thepeon the kernel packages
[16:47] <thepeon> linux-headers?
[16:47] <marlies> well Im using gnome
[16:47] <dmh65> marlies your system is corrupt, I reall would recommend a fresh install
[16:48] <Delvien> marlies yakuake is kde terminal
[16:48] <Eld> kde4 was ok on 8.04 but it's really slow on 8.10, does any body has the same problem ?
[16:48] <td123> aji_: conversation got confusing since there is an "intel" bug with the network card.. :D
[16:48] <dmh65> *really
[16:48] <marlies> Delvien but the only thing I could start was yakuake when I have entered in gnome safemode
[16:48] <marlies> okokko
[16:48] <td123> Eld: wait for the release
[16:48] <Eld> that doesn't answer my question
[16:48] <aji_> td123, yeah, i have that problem also :-D but im using nintendo wii usb ethernet adaper for network access
[16:49] <Eld> is you say "wait for the release" to anybody reporting a problem, testing the beta won't help at all
[16:49] <Delvien> thepeon the thing is, intrepid should of installed it, which tells me your install is messed up
[16:49] <dmh65> Eld I find kde4 not very good on anything
[16:49] <td123> Eld: the reason why it is slow is because optimizations are most likely disabled and debugging symbols aren't excluded... know before you install
[16:49] <Delvien> thepeon which tells me there could be more wrong
[16:49] <Eld> but gnome seems ok
[16:50] <Eld> and it's really slow, don't think that's just because of a debug build
[16:50] <td123> Eld: do you want a link so you could read about this furthur?
[16:50] <dmh65> kde 3.5.7+ is the best :)
[16:50] <thepeon> Delvien, So would I be better just to whipe and start over?
[16:50] <Eld> td123: sure
[16:50] <Delvien> thepeon thats my belief
[16:51] <td123> Eld: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optimization_(computer_science) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debug_symbol
[16:51] <dmh65> ximian xd2 was the best, loved that
[16:51] <Eld> ...
[16:51] <Eld> I'm not that noob... thought it would be specific to that problem
[16:51] <Rotlaus> I just put a fresh installation of Intrepid on my Netbook, did a fully update and installed the nonfree flasplugin, but it doesn't work neither in firefox nor in opera. How can i get it to work?
[16:51] <td123> Eld: apparently you are because you are asking these questions
[16:52] <Eld> as I said before, it's really slow, and I don't think it's ONLY because of the debugging simbols
[16:52] <marlies> ok, last question, how I can start the bottom bar or let's say the gonme enviroment
[16:52] <marlies> ?
[16:52] <dmh65> gnome-panel
[16:52] <td123> Eld: oh, well.. if you ask detail lacking questions, you will get bad answers...
[16:53] <marlies> thank you dmh65
[16:53] <dmh65> thank me when it works
[16:53] <Eld> if you read what I said you wouldn't be making those bad answers
[16:53] <td123> Eld: please post the line that i missed
 and it's really slow, don't think that's just because of a debug build
[16:54] <td123> Eld: ... that was a minute a go. you asked your question like 10 minutes a go
[16:54] <dmh65> Rotlaus when you surf a site that needs flash what does the browser say?
[16:54] <Eld> well anyway, you don't have any answer to my question obviously
[16:54] <Eld> I was just looking for someone using kde4 to have his feeling about it
[16:55] <td123> Eld: why do you argue with me when I'm actually try to teach / help you?
[16:55] <Rotlaus> I get the standard 'Get the latest Flash player' link.
[16:55] <td123> Eld: I run ubuntu8.10 + kde4 under a vm and it works pretty fast.
[16:55] <Eld> cause you seem to think that every one around you is a noob and your first answer to a problem report is "wait for the release"
[16:55] <Eld> ok
[16:56] <Eld> so it might be specific to my computer
[16:56] <Eld> that's what I wanted to hear
[16:56] <dmh65> Eld most people who use Ubuntu like Gnome and dont bother with KDE unfortunately
[16:56] <Eld> thanks
[16:57] <dmh65> xfce is becoming very popular though
[16:57] <td123> Eld: unfortunatly a lot of people I see in here are what you say you aren't
[16:57] <dmh65> xubuntu is good
[16:57] <td123> dmh65: did you ever check out lxde?
[16:58] <dmh65> no, :)
[16:58] <dmh65> sounds interesting :)
[16:58] <td123> dmh65: it is lighter then xfce and only includes the minimal things for a de
[16:58] <dmh65> quite a traditionist here I am afraid
[16:58] <dmh65> lighter :)
[16:58] <td123> dmh65: you would be using gnome if you were :P
[16:59] <dmh65> I find normal Ubuntu very light, guess my pc is not bad
[16:59] <td123> dmh65: light in your resources (% used :D)
[16:59] <dmh65> yes
[17:00] <dmh65> happy with Gnome
[17:00] <td123> dmh65: my 10 year old computer seems to think otherwise :D
[17:00] <dmh65> haha
[17:00] <dmh65> 486
[17:00] <dmh65> my first was a 486 with 4mb ram :)
[17:01] <dmh65> this one has 3gb and a dual processor
[17:01] <td123> dmh65: 686, p3
[17:01] <dmh65> running a bit faster than the first I might add
[17:01] <dmh65> amd64
[17:01] <dmh65> nothing expensive mind
[17:02] <dmh65> pc's are quite cheap these days
[17:03] <dmh65> I saw a acer gemstone laptop 17" screen on the web the other day for 350 euros
[17:04] <dmh65> wish I bought it, cant find the site now
[17:31] <s0u][ight> hello the new gnome is nice!! :D
[17:31] <s0u][ight> just upgraded to beta and i've liked it;)
[17:31] <s0u][ight> compiz-real gave a problem and the bug is being uploaded
[17:31] <s0u][ight> the new driver works great as well :D
[17:34] <SebNaitsabes> do I really need to re install?   Hardy  to Ibex upgrade screwed up, because I lost power.   and for some reason it has hardy  repos when I run aptitude or apt-get even though they are not in my sources.list
[17:34] <SebNaitsabes> and it can't download anything also
[17:36] <s0u][ight> quodlibet doesn't work anymore :(
[17:37] <Tallken> what is this: [ 2557.835258] Pid: 8197, comm: modprobe Tainted: G        W 2.6.27-4-generic #1 ?
[17:37] <Tallken> "Tainted: G" ?
[17:40] <sysdoc> I just did some updates from the update mgr and after a reboot I got another update notification for restricted drivers. Now the restricted drivers is presenting 3 options for the Nvidia drivers. I'm currently running ver 173, I have a choice of two others ver 73 ver and 96. Does anyone know which is actually the newest??
[17:41] <Tallken> no idea, Intel here
[17:42] <Tallken> guys, can someone check this and tell me if that is what I suppose it is: http://pastebin.com/m3b42cb29
[17:42] <Tallken> I thought an OOPS in a module would bring the system down?
[17:42] <Tallken> or it isn't a OOPS?
[17:47] <dmh65> guys, hardy to ibex
[17:47] <dmh65> upgrade
[17:47] <dmh65> is that wise?
[17:47] <dmh65> at this stage
[17:48] <Tallken> dmh65: it's never wise until it's final
[17:48] <dmh65> lol
[17:48] <Tallken> dmh65: even then, wait for a few days
[17:48] <Tallken> dmh65: but myself had to try, so I'm with the beta
[17:48] <dmh65> lots of people are saying they have problems, its hardy suprising :)
[17:48] <dmh65> pun
[17:49] <dmh65> I installed the beta afresh and have not added a thing but updates
[17:49] <dmh65> all is fine with me
[17:49] <sourcemaker> is there a frontend für strigi?
[17:49] <Tallken> I've had an issue with usbserial
[17:50] <Tallken> I think I misconfigured the APN with NetworkManager
[17:50] <Tallken> and couldn't connect
[17:50] <Tallken> and got the usbserial to print an error
[17:50] <Tallken> at http://pastebin.com/m3b42cb29
[17:50] <blackvd> So I got bored yesterday and decided to upgrade to Ibex figuring if it broke it fixing it would give me something to do. Well it beyond the call of duty when it broke my system. Unable to get any nvidia drivers to load so far, trying to open any folders opens vlc instead. are these standard problems so far?
[17:50] <dmh65> thing is as well bugs will not get seen and sorted as long as people dont try, so I will add some stuff I think
[17:50] <Tallken> also, kppp doesn't reset the traffic count
[17:51] <dmh65> !nivida
[17:51] <dmh65> !nvidea
[17:51] <Tallken> !nvidia
[17:51] <dmh65> thanks
[17:51] <Tallken> lol
[17:51] <Tallken> np
[17:51] <blackvd> yeah I've been through that before
[17:51] <dmh65> drivers are not there yet$
[17:51] <dmh65> its xorg 7.4 not 7.3
[17:52] <dmh65> atleast for ati
[17:52] <dmh65> which is what I am waiting for
[17:53] <YaManicKill> can i ask what people think of 8.10 beta?
[17:53] <blackvd> yeah none of the drivers will load
[17:53] <dmh65> fine but no vid drivers
[17:53] <blackvd> also every app I have crashes when I try to run it
[17:54] <dmh65> not that bad for me
[17:54] <dmh65> blackvd hardy works fine for you?
[17:54] <blackvd> yep
[17:54] <YaManicKill> so far on my laptop everything works perfectly
[17:54] <blackvd> great
[17:54] <dmh65> wierd
[17:54] <blackvd> oh yeah also I have no sound
[17:54] <blackvd> I have  a dell so its certified hardware
[17:55] <dmh65> acer here
[17:55] <blackvd> inspiron 6400
[17:55] <dmh65> aspire 3100 desktop
[17:55] <YaManicKill> i've yet to test it on my desktop...but i'm not sure how it'll work with my motherboard, cause 8.04 doesnt work properly with it
[17:56] <YaManicKill> my laptop is Toshiba Satellite pro L20
[17:56] <dmh65> sold mine
[17:56] <YaManicKill> and my desktops motherboard is an Nvidia 8200 - which for it nothing works properly with 8.04...so i'm going to try 8.10 soon
[17:56] <dmh65> want a acer gemstone though badly lol
[17:57] <YaManicKill> graphics dont work, sata doesnt work, sound doesn't work
[17:57] <YaManicKill> so i really hope 8.10 will sort some of these issues
[17:57] <dmh65> YaManicKill any distro work with it?
[17:57] <YaManicKill> not that i've tried dmh65
[17:58] <YaManicKill> supposodly the newest fedora works with it, but i cant seem to get it to work
[17:58] <dmh65> try opensuse, then come back here
[17:58] <YaManicKill> you think it might work?
[17:58] <dmh65> next best
[17:58] <YaManicKill> ok...well i've still not tried 8.10 beta yet...so we'll see
[17:58] <ba5e> hi I am loading the live cd on a ATI x1950Pro and a DVI interface and when xorg loads the screen goes to powersave, any ideas?
[17:58] <dmh65> if its not graphics related then Ubuntu is the best in my opinion
[17:59] <YaManicKill> i mean, i've survived for a while without graphgics working. and i use an IDE hdd for the time being, and i have a pci sound card
[17:59] <dmh65> !ati
[17:59] <YaManicKill> i'm ordering a sats-usb so i can then use my sata harddrive...and then the only thing really that bothers me is the grapgics
[18:00] <sourcemaker> can I install "apt-get install kde" in intrepid to install the full kde?
[18:00] <YaManicKill> sourcemaker, use apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[18:00] <ba5e> hi ubottu the problem is I have no screen when xorg loads
[18:00] <dmh65> is there not a kubuntu 8.10?
[18:00] <sourcemaker> YaManicKill: I will install the complete kde... not only the kubuntu.desktop
[18:01] <YaManicKill> ubuntu-desktop is full kde isn't it?
[18:01] <YaManicKill> kubuntu*
[18:01] <sourcemaker> YaManicKill: no
[18:01] <YaManicKill> really? what does it miss out?
[18:01] <dmh65> I never have gnome and kde on the same system
[18:02] <YaManicKill> dmh65, i have before. infact...when i wasn't sure what WM i liked best...i has gnome, kde, xfce and flux installed at once
[18:02] <dmh65> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[18:02] <sysdoc> I run KDE and Gnome on the same system
[18:03] <dmh65> happy for you
[18:03] <YaManicKill> lol
[18:03] <ba5e> booting of 810 livecd I have my monitor go to powersave - no screen
[18:03] <dmh65> sourcemaker http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/8.10
[18:07] <sysdoc>  I just did some updates from the update mgr and after a reboot I got another update notification for restricted drivers. Now the restricted drivers is presenting 3 options for the Nvidia drivers. I'm currently running ver 173, I have a choice of two others ver 71 ver and 96. Does anyone know which is actually the newest??
[18:08] <dmh65> cool
[18:08] <dmh65> thanks
[18:08] <ba5e> damn, how do I configure xorg?????
[18:08] <cup0spam> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!
[18:08] <cup0spam> heh
[18:08] <dmh65> what drivers are on offer?
[18:08] <cup0spam> i'm having the same problem
[18:08] <cup0spam> just upgraded from hardy to ibex
[18:09] <ba5e> what have xorg done in this latest 'minimal config'
[18:09] <sourcemaker> dmh65: thanks
[18:09] <cup0spam> get the above error
[18:09] <dmh65> sysdoc what drivers are on offer for you?
[18:09] <sysdoc> ver 173, 71 and 96
[18:10] <dmh65> for nvidea
[18:10] <cup0spam> i'm also having trouble with xorg and nvidia
[18:10] <sysdoc> lol, ummmm yea
[18:10] <dmh65> guys its xorg 7.4
[18:10] <dmh65> not 7.3
[18:11] <sysdoc> cup0spam: did you try installing a new driver that broke X?
[18:11] <cup0spam> sysdoc: no. i upgraded from 8.04 to 8.10
[18:11] <ba5e> I have ATI, I hear xorg boot up and the sound play after logon on the livecd, but no display
[18:11] <dmh65> makes me wonder if  Ibex will fall when it is released if the drivers aint there
[18:11] <dmh65> opensource will deal with 2d and your screen rez but not 3d
[18:12] <sysdoc> cup0spam: see if there is a xorg.conf.1 or it may be -1 file in /etc/X11/
[18:12] <cup0spam> once i get the nvidia drivers installed and set up in the nvidia-settings-mangager thing, everything works fine.
[18:12] <dmh65> I want basic desktop effects
[18:12] <cup0spam> i just cant save it
[18:13] <cup0spam> i manually added everything that it was going to add, into /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:13] <cup0spam> rebooted
[18:13] <cup0spam> and no dice
[18:13] <cup0spam> something changed from 8.04 to 8.10
[18:13] <dmh65> its called xorg 7.4
[18:13] <sysdoc> "cup0spam: i just cant save it" < you can't save the xorg.conf file?
[18:14] <cup0spam> sysdoc: i'm sure i can launch the nvidia thing with root
[18:14] <dmh65> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#X.Org%207.4
[18:14] <cup0spam> but i just did sudo vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[18:14] <cup0spam> and added it in like that
[18:14] <cup0spam> there should be no difference
[18:14] <sysdoc> your right
[18:15] <dmh65> The fglrx and two of the older nvidia binary drivers are not available for X.Org 7.4 yet, so users of these drivers will be automatically switched to the corresponding open source drivers.
[18:15] <sysdoc> Is there any other xorg.conf.XXX files in that dir?
[18:15] <cup0spam> i was using nvidia-glx-new on ubuntu hardy
[18:15] <cup0spam> just fine
[18:15] <ba5e> a new failsafe X is intorduced? SURE but it dont bloody work!!!!!!!
[18:15] <sysdoc> I broke X is exactly the same way
[18:15] <dmh65> buy vista
[18:15] <dmh65> have done with it
[18:16] <cup0spam> sysdoc: sure i have backups
[18:16] <cup0spam> but what changed?
[18:16] <ba5e> I will stick with 804 for the mo
[18:16] <dmh65> wise man
[18:16] <dmh65> I will stick to playing Steam in Windows
[18:16] <cup0spam> heh
[18:17] <cup0spam> i'll make it work
[18:17] <ba5e> if it cant even give me an X display using fairly old graphics hardware, not even low VGA res, it is crap
[18:17] <dmh65> when they let you
[18:17] <sysdoc> Well when I upgraded a file was xorg.conf.1 or it may have been -1 I don't recall
[18:17] <dmh65> nothing works till its sorted
[18:17] <dmh65> especially graphics
[18:17] <ba5e> hehe
[18:18] <ba5e> I will fix it.....I hope
[18:18] <ba5e> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=937921 I have posted there on a like problem
[18:18] <dmh65> if only Linux had the budget and numerical customers as Windows heh :)
[18:19] <Chousuke> lots of money goes into Linux
[18:19] <dmh65> a bit more into vista
[18:19] <Chousuke> most of it just goes on the server side
[18:19] <Chousuke> desktop linux is still small
[18:19] <dmh65> but cool
[18:20] <ba5e> I would say more money goes into computers, the software is only a small amount of the outlay
[18:20] <Frijolie> I've just recently upgraded to Intrepid and now my network manager applet is not working so I cannot connect to my wifi network
[18:20] <Chousuke> on the server-side, Linux is huge :P
[18:20] <dmh65> games have a lot to do with it as well I think
[18:20] <ba5e> we use RH4 and 5 servers at work
[18:20] <Chousuke> ba5e: millions of dollars go into development :/
[18:20] <dmh65> my server is debian
[18:20] <dmh65> I would not change
[18:21] <dmh65> rock solid
[18:21] <Frijolie> any ideas on how to get network-manager working?
[18:21] <siretart> anyone interested in having an encoders enabled ffmpeg in intrepid? I have some test packages that desperatly need feedback with applications...
[18:21] <Frijolie> Synaptic says that it's intsalled and that it's version 0.7
[18:21] <ba5e> right, I will try to test the beta ISO again and troublkeshoot to get it working....
[18:24] <Frijolie> how do you manually start network-manager? both "network-manager" and "gnome-network-manager" says "command not found"
[18:30] <mazzen> nm-applet
[18:32] <sourcemaker> how can I resolve dependencies problems?
[18:33] <sourcemaker> apt-get install kde is not possible in intrepid...
[18:34] <sysdoc> Easiest way is through Synaptic
[18:38] <siretart> sourcemaker: sudo apt-get install -f
[18:38] <sourcemaker> siretart: did not work... process died because of /usr/share/applications/kde4/step.desktop
[18:39] <siretart> sourcemaker: then you should file a bug. but please check if it hasn't been reported yet
[18:39] <sourcemaker> siretart: ok thanks
[18:39] <Astral_Projectio> hi
[18:40] <Astral_Projectio> i tried upgrading
[18:40] <Astral_Projectio> but im stuck with aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:40] <sourcemaker> !pastbin
[18:40] <Astral_Projectio> aptitude upgrade went well
[18:40] <sourcemaker> !pastebin
[18:40] <Astral_Projectio> http://pastebin.com/m487732f9
[18:40] <Astral_Projectio> heres error
[18:41] <Astral_Projectio> is there help for me? :)
[18:41] <jaysonsantos> Hello people, How Can I dump edid.bin using "nv" driver ?
[18:41] <sourcemaker> next question.... apt-get tells me... that there are unused packages... is this right... to remove this packagse? http://paste.ubuntu.com/53886/
[18:44] <Astral_Projectio> any1?
[18:47] <ianliu_88> anyone having problems with sound?
[18:48] <ianliu_88> I run totem ubuntu\ Sax.ogg and get this error message:
[18:49] <ianliu_88> ** Message: Error: Failed to connect stream: Invalid argument
[18:49] <ianliu_88> pulsesink.c(487): gst_pulsesink_prepare (): /play/visbin/abin/audiosinkbin/audio-sink/bin6/autoaudiosink1/autoaudiosink1-actual-sink-pulse
[18:50] <Astral_Projectio> ok guys can i reinstall ubuntu hardy without formating (hurting my current configuration) . im stuck with intrepid upgrade
[18:51] <sourcemaker> Astral_Projectio:  I had the same problem... but now.. intrepid is working fine :-)
[18:51] <Astral_Projectio> but i cannot  upgrade to intrepid :|
[18:51] <Astral_Projectio> dunno what is the problem
[18:51] <Astral_Projectio> http://pastebin.com/m487732f9
[18:51] <Astral_Projectio> heres the dump of aptitude dist-upgrade
[18:52] <Astral_Projectio> i ran aptitude upgrade and it went fine
[18:52] <Astral_Projectio> some packages are upgraded
[18:53] <sourcemaker> aptitude dist-upgrade -f :-)
[18:54] <antoranz> Hi, Guys!
[18:54] <antoranz> I just updated to intrepid
[18:55] <antoranz> I was using thye nvidia driver
[18:55] <antoranz> I lost that in intrepid
[18:55] <antoranz> i had to manually edit the xorg.conf file to set the driver to vesa so it started
[18:55] <Astral_Projectio> sourcemaker, same thing with -f :\
[18:55] <antoranz> what do I have to do now to get the nvidia driver working?
[18:55] <Regel> tried reinstalling the driver?
[18:55] <antoranz> but there are a number of nvidia-glx drivers and didn't know which one to use
[18:55] <antoranz> 173?
[18:56] <Frijolie> after an update I've got one package saying that it needs updating but it wont allow me to click on the checkmark to update it.
[18:57] <Frijolie> danbh_intrepid: hola
[18:58] <Frijolie> any ideas?
[18:58] <Regel> Frijolie: why dont u way a few days and see if the problem goes away
[18:59] <Regel> Maybe some unmet depencies or something similar..
[18:59] <Regel> or then run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[18:59] <Frijolie> Regel: yeah, I guess that could be it. It's on the multiverse repo so could be a while
[19:00] <Regel> yea, havent upgraded my Intrepid for 2 days or so
[19:00] <Frijolie> The following packages have been kept back:  gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse
[19:00] <Regel> try the dist-upgrade
[19:01] <Regel> If it doesnt work, then wait
[19:01] <Frijolie> looks like I'm waiting...D'oh!
[19:01] <Regel> :D
[19:03] <Novell> hmm
[19:03] <Novell> X crash if I change resolution to 800x600 (intel GM965 gfx card)
[19:04] <Astral_Projectio> can someone pls help me i'm stuck :|
[19:05] <Frijolie> another thing that I've noticed is that my network-manager applet doesn't auto start
[19:08] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[19:08] <s0u][ight> i have underestimated the intrepid release ;)
[19:12] <s0u][ight> flash movies don't give sound in firefox :|
[19:15] <td123> s0u][ight: did you install the flash pulseaudio support?
[19:15] <biberao> hi
[19:15] <biberao> cant i burn iso on a dvd?
[19:15] <s0u][ight> td123, nope didn't hear of that before
[19:15] <td123> biberao: yes
[19:15] <biberao> ubuntu's iso'
[19:15] <td123> yes
[19:15] <biberao> td123 why doesnt work then?
[19:15] <biberao> :|
[19:16] <td123> biberao: I don't remember the package name, you have to install that so that other programs don't control the sound that flash outputs to.. google ubuntu flash pulseaudio problem..
[19:16] <biberao> sorry?
[19:16] <td123> google it...
[19:17] <biberao> td123
[19:17] <td123> biberao: theres a simple solution
[19:17] <biberao> whats that got to do with my problem?
[19:17] <biberao> flash sound?
[19:17] <td123> biberao: yes....
[19:17] <biberao> im lost now
[19:17] <td123> biberao: then wait until 8.10
[19:17] <biberao> what??
[19:18] <td123> biberao: I explained to you exactly what to do/find
[19:18] <biberao> td123
[19:18] <s0u][ight> td123, thanks ;)
[19:18] <biberao> i never said anything
[19:18] <biberao> related with
[19:18] <biberao> flash
[19:19] <td123> lol, stupid tab completion, sry biberao
[19:19] <biberao> td123 but glady
[19:19] <biberao> that you told me that
[19:19] <biberao> because i was wondering
[19:19] <biberao> which flashplugin package to install
[19:19] <td123> biberao: :D google it, I don't remember
[19:19] <biberao> i saw -pulse the normal one and the other
[19:20] <biberao> so pulse is that flash isnt controlled then
[19:20] <biberao> right?
[19:20] <td123> it adds pulseaudio support to flash which will cause other programs to not interfere with flashs audio output
[19:21] <td123> err, you could try searching in synaptic for "flash pulseaudio support" ;P
[19:22] <biberao> cool then
[19:22] <biberao> i have always had problems
[19:22] <biberao> with youtube sound
[19:24] <biberao> thanks td123
[19:24] <biberao> behave
[19:24] <biberao> .P
[19:35] <danbh_intrepid> td123: that package should not be necessary in intrepid
[19:36] <DigitalFiz> how can i find out what capture cards will be support in intrepid when its finally release at the end of this month?
[19:36] <danbh_intrepid> td123: I thought there were a bunch of fixes to pulseaudio in intrepid that resolved those issues...
[19:37] <danbh_intrepid> DigitalFiz: I don't really know, but I thought that ubuntu relied mostly upstream for driver development
[19:37] <danbh_intrepid> ie, the kernel
[19:37] <danbh_intrepid> so the answer might be that you just have to test it.
[19:38] <DigitalFiz> i thought so too but i was told greater support for capture cards and video devices in intrepid i tried it last night and mine still dont work but i dunno how old the iso is it is the last beta
[19:38] <DigitalFiz> just hoping ill get a last minute woo hoo my card works heeh
[19:39] <danbh_intrepid> DigitalFiz: is there a bug report for your card?
[19:39] <DigitalFiz> i dont think so but i was givin a possible solution of which my abilities are not capible of doing hehe
[19:39] <danbh_intrepid> whats that?
[19:40] <DigitalFiz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=924504
[19:40] <DigitalFiz> part of 1 driver does what i need and part of another one does the rest
[19:40] <DigitalFiz> so if those parts could be combined then it would probably work
[19:42] <danbh_intrepid> well,  according to the guy who posted, you are screwed
[19:42] <DigitalFiz> hehe
[19:42] <DigitalFiz> im almost willing to accept that
[19:42] <danbh_intrepid> seriously, in this case, IMHO, you should use windows if you want to use that device
[19:43] <robert__> anyone know why compiz cube caps don't work in beta? i have to use the cylinder view to see the top and bottom caps
[19:43] <DigitalFiz> yeah i got a laptop with windows on it but i was hoping to use it on this machine :/
[19:44] <robert__> for some reason the cube caps plugin has been removed in 8.10 beta
[19:44] <DigitalFiz> danbh_intrepid, you know of any webcams that look decent in linux? my webcam looks great in windows but always looks like crap in linux
[19:45] <robert__> does anyone know why the cube caps plugin has been removed?
[19:45] <danbh_intrepid> DigitalFiz: well, I bought one because it was supported in linux, but I'm still going to use it in windows
[19:45] <danbh_intrepid> because the webcam software sucks
[19:45] <DigitalFiz> yeah
[19:45] <DigitalFiz> someone needs to make a tricaster for linux hehe
[19:45] <danbh_intrepid> DigitalFiz: I found mine on the fsf.org website
[19:45] <danbh_intrepid> !hardware
[19:45] <DigitalFiz> a good tricaster
[19:45] <robert__> does anyone know why the cube caps plugin has been removed?
[19:46] <danbh_intrepid> There is a link at the bottom of the first page
[19:46] <DigitalFiz> robert__, i really doubt contantly repeating yourself will get you an answer
[19:47] <DigitalFiz> ty danbh_intrepid
[19:47] <danbh_intrepid> robert__: yeah, you can repeat, but every 50 seconds is probably too soon.    Try searching bugs.launchpad.net to see if you can find an answer
[19:47] <DigitalFiz> 1 more danbh_intrepid how does the camera look in ubuntu?
[19:48] <danbh_intrepid> Its pretty close to how it looks in Windows, which for this webcam is really good.  I got the logitech notebook pro / 9000.
[19:49] <DigitalFiz> awesome
[19:49] <danbh_intrepid> BUT, I don't know how to change any of the settings
[19:49] <DigitalFiz> thats really what im looking for
[19:49] <DigitalFiz> i have a microsoft life cam 3000 looks good in windows but terrible in linux
[19:49] <DigitalFiz> i have 2 others that are the same way but those are real cheap cams
[19:49] <danbh_intrepid> in Windows, a window just pops up where I can change the lighting quality, whatever.  I think on linux, you have to issue commands from the terminal to the uvc driver
[19:50] <DigitalFiz> you can change settings in camorama
[19:50] <DigitalFiz> if it knows how to with your cam
[19:50] <DigitalFiz> i bet theres a uvc gui somewhere
[19:51] <danbh_intrepid> camorama isnt maintained anymore.  IT only supports vfl, which is depreciated
[19:51] <danbh_intrepid> my webcam is vfl2 only, so camorama crashes out
[19:54] <DigitalFiz> hmm that logtech is an hd cam too
[19:54] <DigitalFiz> nice i think ill try it
[19:55] <DigitalFiz> can you show me a screen shot of the quality?
[19:56] <DigitalFiz> oh that was nasty
[19:57] <DigitalFiz> http://www.showmeblog.com/home/2008/05/logitech-quickc.html
[19:57] <danbh_intrepid> lulz
[19:57] <danbh_intrepid> CRAP, cheese sucks so much
[19:58] <danbh_intrepid> ITS NOT WORKING!!!
[19:58] <DigitalFiz> lol
[19:58]  * danbh_intrepid has to file _another_ bug report
[19:59] <danbh_intrepid> weird, it works from the terminal, kinda
[20:00] <DigitalFiz> http://www.cameroid.com/snap.php
[20:01] <DigitalFiz> http://www.cameroid.com/6JMN-A1 thats the camera i have now it sucks
[20:01] <danbh_intrepid> naw, flash isnt detecting it
[20:03] <danbh_intrepid> hmmm, is there an anonymous pastebin for images?
[20:09] <danbh_intrepid> DigitalFiz: http://s435.photobucket.com/albums/qq73/jarjarbuggle/?action=view&current=screeny.png
[20:10] <danbh_intrepid> I think all those quality issues are software related, and I was moving around
[20:10] <danbh_intrepid> my room is actually much darker
[20:13] <elexodus> hola
[20:17] <tenshinoneko> hello, can we discuss 8.10 in here?
[20:18] <elexodus> tenshinoneko: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[20:18] <Pici> tenshinoneko: This is the place.
[20:28] <tenshinoneko> Oh i am having an issue with my wacom tablet it;s a bamboo. Hovering works great but when i tap it, it stops working. any ideas?
[20:39] <tenshinoneko> Oh i am having an issue with my wacom tablet it;s a bamboo. Hovering works great but when i tap it, it stops working. any ideas?
[20:43] <biberao> bye gtg
[20:43] <biberao> take care
[20:51] <hansin> I tried install the 8.10 beta alternative image and had an issue.  Some facts: downloaded via torrent, matched md5 sums, burned with a prog that does post-burn verify, booted CD and ran check media utility.  Here is what happened...
[20:53] <hansin> I first tried full install and had issue, so then tried minimal install and same issue.  I get through the partitioning (in the text installer of course since its the alternative CD) to the 'Install the base system' point. and it starts loading, and then at I think 78% an ncurses dialog box pops up telling me:
[20:53] <pen> hansin, issue?
[20:53] <pen> hansin, it works for me flawlessly so far
[20:54] <hansin> "Please insert the disk labeled: 'Ubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Beta i386 (20080930.4) in the drive '/cdrom' and press enter"
[20:55] <hansin> My choices are: <Go Back> and <Continue>, though I can't even open my CD rom drive, and choosing either doesn't do a darned thing.  I have done many Ubuntu alternative, server, and Debian text installs, and have never seen this before.
[20:57] <hansin> So it basically freezes at 78% during the 'Install the base system' stage (I know it is 78% because I can hit the spacebar or enter a bunch of times at the ncurses dialog box explain above and it flashes enough that I can see the progress bar and percentage that is behind it in the regular ncureses box you see during this stage.
[21:04] <DigitalFiz> danbh_intrepid, good quality i think ill be getting that camera :)
[21:05] <Astral_Projectio> hi, i just upgraded to intrepid, but i cannot start nm-applet
[21:06] <Astral_Projectio> goran@horus:~$ nm-applet
[21:06] <Astral_Projectio> it just hangs like this
[21:06] <Astral_Projectio> nothing happens
[21:06] <Zaiden> Have they fixed the issues with Pulseaudio in the 8.10 beta?
[21:07] <pen> Astral_Projectio, nm-applet not wotking at all?
[21:08] <Astral_Projectio> nope
[21:08] <lore20> hi, how to detect if my ethernet card is affected by e1000e firmware corruption issue
[21:08] <lore20> ?
[21:08] <Astral_Projectio> when i add network monitor applet to panel, gnome-netstatus-applet is started
[21:09] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: I think you should just keep updating
[21:09] <lore20> with lspci I see only the wifi adapter
[21:10] <lore20> no sorry, i see also ethernet
[21:11] <lore20> so Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/81689 PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 02)
[21:11] <lore20> is it affected?
[21:11] <hansin> pen: Where where did you get your alternative image from?  Was it for 1368?
[21:11] <danbh_intrepid> lore20: http://blogs.computerworld.com/when_linux_does_well_the_e1000e_ethernet_bug_fixed
[21:12] <pen> hansin, I didn't use the alt image
[21:12] <pen> hansin, but I think you can find it online
[21:12] <lore20> however in intrepid beta e1000e is blacklsited,isn't it?
[21:13] <Astral_Projectio> anyone?
[21:13]  * danbh_intrepid digs up his favorite bug for Astral_Projectio
[21:13] <lore20> danbh_intrepid, "This fix will be in the next pre-release version of the 2.6.27 kernel -- Linux 2.6.27-rc9 - on October 5th."
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> bug/259157/
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> bug 259157
[21:14] <Astral_Projectio> when i try sudo i get ** (nm-applet:24410): WARNING **: No connections defined
[21:14] <hansin> Okay, I was just checking because you stated 'it works flawlessly for me so fay'.  But since it sounds like you used the Live CD for you beta install, you would not ahve seen the issue I am having.  But for now, no one else is chiming in that they have had issue with the alternative install CD.
[21:14] <Astral_Projectio> i have ndis drivers
[21:15] <hansin> s/far
[21:17] <hansin> BTW, I am getting versed in Grub due to some of my install issues with various things (yeah, I triple boot and like to try out different things).  In the partion stage, at least on the text installer, I can choose if I want to set the partion as bootable.  I always leave the default 'no'.  If I pick yes, does it install a Grub onto the start of that partions, so I would then be able to chainload that partion?  Just not sure what settin
[21:24] <Astral_Projectio> i cannot set 'roaming' mode in network-admin
[21:24] <Astral_Projectio> i was able to do that on hardy
[21:30] <Cheery> hi
[21:31] <Cheery> my ubuntu keeps crashing without giving any kind of mark about it
[21:31] <Cheery> appeared few days ago.
[21:32] <Ayabara> Any known issues with dist-upgrading from 8.04 at the moment? I'm considering taking the plunge :)
[21:32] <Ayabara> !digikam-kde4
[21:32] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[21:32] <Ayabara> hm. that's ... old
[21:40] <berntsen> Ayabare: Just upgraded my desktop computer from 8.04 to 8.10 with update-manager. Had a problem with the rarian-compat oacgage which led to an unusable system.
[21:40] <Astral_Projectio> does someone know what is the name of package for font configuration for kde apps? (kcmshell fonts)?
[21:40] <berntsen> It's already marked as a bug. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rarian/+bug/256131
[21:41] <berntsen> Yes. Had to install rarian-compat explicitly using dpkg, then dpkg --configure -a. Now everything just a charm :-)
[21:47] <Ayabara> berntsen, thanks for the heads-up. if I don't know what rarian-compat is, should I be fine? :D
[21:48] <berntsen> Ayabara: Yes, as long as you follow the instructions at the link i posted.
[21:48] <Ayabara> berntsen, ok. thanks
[21:49] <hansin> Speaking of dist-upgrading, has there been a way developed to due this in a text console yet, other than changing the repo entries to intrepid?  I only ask because it was an issue in the past I think, that the upgrade manager only worked from the GUI.  Thanks.
[21:50] <hansin> I know changing the repos will get you the new packages, but it doesn't handle fro things like fundamental "core infrastructure" changes that may have occured, though I think "dummy" packages can help with some of that.
[21:50] <hansin> At least that is how I remembered it.
[21:51] <Ayabara> berntsen, should I download and install the rarian-compat package before I do the upgrade?
[21:54] <berntsen> Ayabara: Download the file first. I used update-manager first. At the end there's some error messages. I rebooted, went into a console (ctrl+f1), and then installed rarian-compat with dpkg --install <filename>. Then at last dpkg --configure -a. Reboot again and you should be up and running. Also remember to read the release notes before you start!
[21:54] <Cheery> hmm
[21:54] <Cheery> perhaps fixed my firefox trouble
[21:55] <Cheery> surprise surprise - it was flash
[21:55] <Cheery> flashblock solved the trouble
[21:55] <Ayabara> berntsen, tusen takk :)
[21:55] <Cheery> oh
[21:55] <Cheery> it didn't
[21:55] <Cheery> fuck
[21:55] <LjL> !language
[21:56] <Cheery> I don't know, this stupid thing keeps crashing even without any plugins involved
[21:56] <Cheery> LjL: thanks from mentioning foul language, perhaps I will learn to not use common curses at some point.
[21:57] <berntsen> Ayabara: værsågod :-)
[21:57] <Tamagotono> Does anyone else have duplicate entries when using lancelot menu plasmoid?
[21:58] <Cheery> http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/operatingsystems/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=210605582
[21:58] <Cheery> I can't believe they are still falling for that
[21:59] <Cheery> MS has never released an OS in schedule.
[22:00] <Cheery> wohoo!
[22:00] <Cheery> error log
[22:01] <berntsen> Cheery: what does it say?
[22:01] <Cheery> http://codepad.org/5j70rk5Y
[22:01] <berntsen> ok
[22:01] <Cheery> that occurs occassionally
[22:02] <berntsen> java plugin
[22:02] <Cheery> how to get rid from it?
[22:02] <Cheery> java is rarely used anywhere
[22:02] <Cheery> better yet...
[22:02] <Cheery> how to fix it? :)
[22:03] <Cheery> I believe that may be too much, so I just want to bomb it down for now
[22:04] <berntsen> Cheery: well, I don't know what plugin you're using. Try starting synaptic and search for gcj
[22:06] <Cheery> nothing found
[22:07] <berntsen> Cheery: nothing at all?
[22:07] <Cheery> nothing at all
[22:08] <berntsen> Cheery: that's kind of strange. When I search I get 7 pages or something that has gcj in it's name or description.
[22:08] <Cheery> hmm
[22:09] <Cheery> now it just did: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[22:10] <berntsen> Cheery: If you want to try to remove the plugin: Open a terminal and type "sudo apt-get remove gcjwebplugin"
[22:10] <Cheery> its not installed
[22:10] <Cheery> hmm
[22:11] <Cheery> installing it and seeing what happens
[22:11] <berntsen> Cheery: OK. Not icedtea-gjcwebpluigin either?
[22:12] <berntsen> icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[22:12] <Cheery> nope
[22:13] <Cheery> the worst thing is that it crashes randomly!
[22:13] <Cheery> I open it idle
[22:13] <Cheery> *crash*
[22:13] <Cheery> (after couple of minutes)
[22:13] <berntsen> Strange. nothing listed in firefox about:plugins either?
[22:14] <Cheery> all seems ok
[22:14] <Cheery> hm
[22:15] <Cheery> installing firefox 2.0
[22:15] <berntsen> ok. too bad i couldn't help
[22:17] <Cheery> I can't let my browser crash like a window during a chairthrowing spasm.
[22:20] <berntsen> Cheery: i understand. You are obviously not the only one with this problem. http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-471249.html
[22:23] <berntsen> gotta go. bye!
[22:23] <Cheery> I yet try removing my mozilla confs
[22:24] <Cheery> anyway, my firefox worked pretty well to some extent, then it started crashing frequently
[22:24] <berntsen> you could always check out swiftfox.
[22:24] <Cheery> no problem
[22:24] <Cheery> it feels like the problem went away
[22:24] <Cheery> but I can't be sure
[22:25] <Cheery> it may crash just right on when I'm going to say it's fixed. :)
[22:25] <Cheery> resulting in cursing and foxbashing
[22:26] <Cheery> hmm
[22:27] <Cheery> perhaps it truly works now
[22:27] <Cheery> well, going to sleep
[22:27] <Cheery> gn
[22:28] <D-Bo> Is there an Intrepid Ibex PS3 beta?
[22:30] <D-Bo> guess there is
[22:50] <dvoid_> ey
[22:56] <getxsick> python 2.6 is going to be distribute with 8.10 ?
[23:14] <DigitalFiz> danbh_intrepid, was that image you put up the image capture or the video? i know most cameras have better photo quality then video
[23:14] <danbh_intrepid> it was a screen shot of the video test
[23:15] <danbh_intrepid> cheese rarely works for me, and every other webcam package fails also, except ekiga
[23:21] <danbh_intrepid> meh, even ekiga is crashing.  You know, I think my install got hosed with that unitit whatever crash
[23:58] <skyjumper> for some reason, when using gdm and the nvidia driver, i get 15 (or so) seconds of black screen, the nvidia splash, then X dies, then again the black screen, over and over
[23:58] <skyjumper> however gdm seems fine with the vesa driver, and i can run X manually with nvidia just fine
[23:59] <comicinker> in beta, cryptsetup/luks seems to broken. did the packages change significantly?
[23:59] <RAOF> skyjumper: Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log & possibly .log.old please?  After trying with nvidia, that is.
[23:59] <RAOF> comicinker: Works For Me(tm)
[23:59] <comicinker> RAOF: using luks?
[23:59] <skyjumper> RAOF: the log when running via gdm?