[11:01] <doorntje> hello
[11:01] <doorntje> i've an complain an ubuntu channel
[11:02] <nalioth> doorntje: what seems to be the trouble?
[11:02] <bazhang> doorntje, do you know why you were banned
[11:02] <doorntje> nja, they gave me an permban because i said: anti-rude-mods
[11:03] <doorntje> it were in #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[11:04] <doorntje> could someone help me?
[11:06] <nalioth> w/o the input from the ops, there's not much to do, i'm afraid
[11:09] <ompaul> doorntje, to understand more of what is expected of users and ops alike please read these two documents, they may inform your decision
[11:09] <ompaul> !guidelines
[11:09] <ompaul> !codeofconduct
[11:11] <doorntje> i've actually read that
[11:44] <doorntje> could someone help me?
[11:47] <erUSUL> doorntje: as nalioth said the other side of the story is needed
[11:50] <doorntje> but they ignore me when i ask somethinh
[11:52] <bazhang> doorntje, when did this happen
[11:55] <doorntje> 2 months ago they banned me
[11:55] <bazhang> doorntje, and you are banned from #ubuntu-nl as well?
[11:55] <doorntje> and #ubuntu-nl-offtopic
[11:56] <doorntje> i asked Seveas and SWAT to come on this channel
[11:56] <bazhang> doorntje, well absent their input nothing can be done.
[11:56] <doorntje> tonight i heared they gave me a permban
[12:00] <doorntje> ow, it were 1.5 month ago
[12:01] <doorntje> August 18
[13:56] <doorntje> bazhang: the ops wouldn't come to this channel...
[14:02] <LjL> hm?
[14:02] <Myrtti> oh?
[14:02] <Myrtti> I've seen them both here on several occasions
[14:07] <LjL> don't anger the dutch, you are bound to regret it.
[14:11] <doorntje> shell i ask it again?
[14:12] <LjL> doorntje, not knowing precisely what happened, my suggestion would be to leave them alone for a couple of days, then try asking nicely
[14:13] <doorntje> owkeej,
[14:15] <doorntje> someone is now uploading the logs of August 18 for me ;)
[16:31] <doorntje> SWAT: can i talk with you about my ban?
[17:48] <doorntje> dead line...
[17:53] <Myrtti> doorntje: I'm sorry, but the operators do have life outside IRC
[17:54] <LjL> and nobody told me before?
[17:54] <Myrtti> LjL: shut up.
[17:54] <Myrtti> you've been on the alps.
[17:54] <Myrtti> I've been working allllll summer.
[17:54] <Myrtti> bar Lugradio Live and Assembly08
[17:54] <LjL> Myrtti: hey, i've walked 5 hours a day and taken a lot of photos of flowers.
[17:55] <Myrtti> oh shut up.
[17:55] <Myrtti> I hate you.
[17:55] <LjL> that's only fair
[17:55] <doorntje> Myrtti: sometimes you think they doesn't have
[17:56]  * doorntje were also been on the alps
[17:56] <doorntje> it's 1000km from here by car
[18:07] <doorntje> here some copy from logs
[18:07] <doorntje> [Mon Aug 18 2008] [21:29:55] <doorntje>[EXIT 4] Anti Rude Mods Parkway -->
[18:08] <doorntje> Mon Aug 18 2008] [21:35:45] <doorntje>Seveas Parkway â-/->
[18:08] <doorntje> and then Seveas banned me
[18:10] <Myrtti> and we still need him and some other -nl ops here
[18:11] <doorntje> SWAT is here already
[18:11] <doorntje> i asked Seveas this morning to come here
[18:12] <doorntje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/53872/ <-- it's in dutch i'll you understand it ;)
[18:12] <doorntje> *i'll hope you*
[18:13]  * doorntje dyslexie
[19:12] <SWAT> doorntje: some people aren't behind their computer 24/7
[19:12] <doorntje> i know
[19:13] <doorntje> this is the first time you answer me in 1.5 month ;)
[19:14] <doorntje> SWAT: i'll you will talk about the subject 'ban'
[19:14] <SWAT> doorntje: first off, I don't remember you pm'ing me, I get a lot of messages. Second, what seems to be the issue? Don't you understand why you got banned?
[19:15] <doorntje> i don't why i'm banned
[19:15] <doorntje> understand
[19:15] <doorntje> i asked per pm why you banned me
[19:15] <doorntje> Cugel telled that Seveas banned me because i said Anti Rude Mods
[19:16] <ompaul> doorntje, are you aware that respect for others is a requirement, not an option for ubuntu channels
[19:17] <doorntje> nja,
[19:17] <SWAT> doorntje: as explained (you can read it in the exempt you posted on pastebin), you were trolling, I think that's the best way to put it. And (above that) you were rude.
[19:17] <doorntje> trolling?
[19:17] <doorntje> i said only: Anti Rude Mods
[19:17] <doorntje> who said you are Rude?
[19:18] <doorntje> maybe i referred that they had on #ubuntu-nl non rude mods ;)
[19:22] <doorntje> SWAT: i asked only on you per PM: Kan je mij een stuk arceren wat fout was...
[19:22] <doorntje> but you didn't answer ;)
[19:23] <doorntje> Seveas also.
[19:24] <doorntje> (sorry, for the dutch words)
[19:25] <SWAT> doorntje: if you read your own pastebin post, it should be quite clear.
[19:25] <doorntje> and when question for everyone here, is it aloud to ban some people without give an warning?
[19:26] <doorntje> when=one
[19:28] <doorntje> SWAT: please read the same logs in another context ;)
[19:28] <doorntje> and i'll hope, you ask yourself: why didn't we gave a warning...
[19:34] <SWAT> doorntje: if this is your way of asking for a ban removal, it's not the right way. If you would've asked niceley, perhaps with an excuse and with the promise to behave in the future, it shouldn't have been a problem. You can also read the dutch channel guidelines: http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/ubuntunl/richtlijnen
[19:35] <doorntje> SWAT: that's what i've done per pm ;)
[19:35] <doorntje> but Seveas didn't answer...
[19:37] <Myrtti> and was seveas the only person you tried to contact?
[19:38] <doorntje> also SWAT
[19:38] <doorntje> and 2 more
[19:43] <SWAT> doorntje: if you promise to behave in the future, the ban can be removed. Enough time has passed and I hope you learned your lesson. I'll check with the op who banned you, but I think you'll be unbanned by the end of the week. I'll keep you posted
[19:44] <doorntje> actually i leant enough with the ban...
[19:45] <doorntje> i've asperger, and by that sort of people when you give one warning they stop
[19:51] <doorntje> SWAT: thnx