[00:04] <Olwe> trashguy, did you find anything?
[00:05] <trashguy> no
[00:05] <Olwe> hmm...
[00:06] <Olwe> i tried changing the video card, but my MOBO didnt like that at all.. something may be wrong with my AGP slot... or the card... but i mean, i get partway with the pci card, which i installed with
[00:57] <maw> when "apt-get purge" is used and aptitude is identifying "ubuntu-minimal" to be removed as well
[00:57] <maw> I assume that would be bad to remove
[02:57] <ScottK> maw: Almost certainly whatever you are removing that's part of ubunutu-minimal is something you want to keep on your system.
[03:34] <maw> ScottK: indeed, I was just removing all of the dhcpd and dhcp3-server related stufd
[03:34] <maw> *stuff
[03:35] <ScottK> ubuntu-minimal is just a metapackage, so removing it doesn't actually hurt anything.
[03:35] <ScottK> You really ought to be sure you know what you're doing though if you remove stuff that's in minimal.
[04:57] <[Solaris]> how do i put soemthing in cron to every 15 or 30 mins?
[04:59] <sommer> [Solaris]: */30 * * * * command
[04:59] <sommer> [Solaris]: change the 30 to 15 for every 15 minutes
[04:59] <[Solaris]> do i need to put the file somewhere?
[05:00] <sommer> that would be the cron entry... the crontab -e will let you edit the cron jobs
[05:02] <[Solaris]> so it doesn't matter where the file resides?
[05:04] <sommer> not sure what you mean by file?
[05:05] <[Solaris]> i have a bash script that i want ran
[05:05] <[Solaris]> script == file
[05:06] <sommer> I usually put custom scripts in /usr/local/bin so your cron entry would be: */30 * * * * /usr/local/bin/filename
[05:08] <[Solaris]> is 15 min to often for a cron..
[05:09] <sommer> I have some jobs running every 5 :-)
[05:09] <sommer> it's really a matter of what your script does, how resource intensive, etc
[05:09] <[Solaris]> it moves files from one dir to the next
[05:10] <sommer> I wouldn't think you'd have any issue, but I guess it depends on how many files and their sizes get moved, still shouldn't be an issue
[05:11] <[Solaris]> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/local/bin/CTDM': Permission denied
[05:11] <[Solaris]> ohh id idn't chmod +e or what ever tothe file
[09:18] <portablejim> What happens if you put 2 dhcp servers on one network? does the second stop the first from working, or does the second one just not work?
[09:28] <MitosKalandiel> most likely you will get very unpredictable effects, either dhcp server a0 or b0 answering leases being given double etc, i am not sure if that's even mentioned in ip-specs
[09:28] <MitosKalandiel> a or b even
[09:30] <MitosKalandiel> but in every case i had 2 dhcp servers running my network became unstable and unpredictable, downright to the point of unusability..
[09:33] <portablejim> so the second one would bring down the network. is that what you are saying?
[09:47] <ropetin> portablejim: I'm late to this party, but I'd concur with MitosKalandiel, two active DHCP servers on the same segment is not worth the agro
[09:50] <MitosKalandiel> portablejim: not necessaraly bringing the network down, but you will be tackling major problems when you do run two dhcp servers
[09:56] <portablejim> thanks
[09:59] <MitosKalandiel> yw
[10:01] <ivoks> sometimes i just want to cry
[10:14] <ropetin> ivoks: any reason or just in general?
[10:40] <ivoks> ropetin: i've spent lots of time (a week) on debugging of one problem
[10:40] <ivoks> ropetin: it turns our it's just an online change in one header
[10:40] <ivoks> one line
[10:40] <[Mitos]> ouch
[10:42] <ivoks> and i figured that out this morning, after last night and lots of alcohol
[10:42] <ivoks> moral of the story: alcohol can be good sometimes :D
[14:06] <bogey-> i was running 8.04 and i did an apt-get upgrade and now my network stopped working. It says it is configured but no traffic goes in or out
[16:40] <EvilDaemon> So I have an older box with 3 different ubuntu operating systems on it, and I want to put ubuntuserver on it. All of the thing I want to keep are backed up, now what?
[16:41] <EvilDaemon> Also, when installing, it won't let me overwrite all of the partitions, just one out of two.
[16:46] <EvilDaemon> Anyone...
[16:59] <EvilDaemon> So... nobody?
[17:09] <stainer> are you using the manual option?
[17:14] <EvilDaemon> Well, I'm going to try dban and then install it
[17:15] <stainer> I some trouble overwrite partitions with an older version. I deleted the partitions manually, the ran the install and that worked... I cant remember if that was a bug or not.
[17:16] <stainer> or something I was doing wrong
[17:16] <EvilDaemon> How did you delete them?
[17:17] <stainer> used a live disk, and ran gparted
[17:17] <EvilDaemon> Can you boot into a shell from the live Server cd?
[17:18] <EvilDaemon> er, ubuntu server livecd
[17:18] <stainer> I used a desktop cd, but you should be able to do the same thing with fdisk in command line
[17:19] <stainer> make sure you have everything you need off that disk
[17:19] <EvilDaemon> Yeah, everything is on a usb.
[17:19] <EvilDaemon> thanks.
[17:19] <stainer> fdisk deletes the partitions, then you can use a guided install, and it should write the whole disk
[17:20] <stainer> np
[17:20] <stainer> I am sometimes slow with this stuff, so your milage may vary :)
[17:41] <EvilDaemon> fdisk just displays stuff, it's not doing anything.
[17:41] <EvilDaemon> Is there a delete-all argument?
[17:44] <normanm> EvilDaemon: you could even use cfdisk
[17:45] <stainer> fdisk /dev/hda (or your hd)
[17:45] <EvilDaemon> what about parted?
[17:45] <stainer> parted would do the same... fdisk is pretty old, but straight foward
[17:46] <EvilDaemon> There's four different kinds under /dev/
[17:46] <EvilDaemon> Now I guess cfdisk is being suggested over parted.
[17:47] <stainer> http://linux.about.com/od/commands/l/blcmdl8_fdisk.htm
[17:47] <stainer> you have to delete each partition
[17:48] <stainer> Try them in the order cfdisk, fdisk, sfdisk. (Indeed, cfdisk is a beautiful program that has strict requirements on the partition tables it
[17:48] <stainer> accepts, and produces high quality partition tables. Use it if you can.
[17:49] <stainer> I just found that... I have never used cfdisk before, so I didn't know about it
[17:49] <EvilDaemon> okay. will one of them tell me what partition I'm on, or do I stab in the dark and hope I don't miss?
[17:49] <normanm> stainer: lol
[17:49] <normanm> cfdisk rocks
[17:51] <stainer> it is rare that I have needed the partition manually... ubuntu takes care of it for you :) I have in the old days with dos, and slackware
[17:51] <stainer> here is a better howto on fdisk http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/fdisk_partitioning.html
[17:52] <stainer> with everything in linux, there are about 45 ways to accomplish it
[17:52] <EvilDaemon> fdisk - disk partition table manipulator
[17:52] <EvilDaemon> fdformat - Low-level format a floppy disk
[17:53] <EvilDaemon>  cfdisk
[17:53] <EvilDaemon> Curses based disk partition table manipulator for Linux
[17:53] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: what do you need to do?
[17:54] <EvilDaemon> To delete all my partitions.
[17:54] <EvilDaemon> sorry for the flood.
[17:54] <normanm> EvilDaemon: use cfdisk
[17:54] <normanm> I still not understand what the problem is
[17:55] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: I assume you are on a livecd?
[17:55] <EvilDaemon> Yes, but I only have a command line.
[17:55] <stainer> cfdisk is nice
[17:56] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: then either one of the tools listed above will help you do that. chose the one you prefer
[17:57] <EvilDaemon> I just took a look at cfdisk, so I'll use that. Now, how do I find out what partition I'm currently on?
[17:57] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: if you are running from a live cd you are on cloop
[17:57] <EvilDaemon> okay, thanks.
[17:58] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: your drive will be certainly named /dev/sda
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> okay, so that didn't work
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> all of the oses that I originally had on there are still there, after deleting the partitions.
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> from a livecd
[18:04] <EvilDaemon> one is on sd2
[18:05] <EvilDaemon> the other didn't say.
[18:06] <EvilDaemon> If I run sudo rm -rf /, will it solve my problems?
[18:09] <stainer> that would just delete the files, the partitions would still be there
[18:10] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: what livecd do you have?
[18:11] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: in fact are you root in your llivecd?
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> no
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> It's ubuntu gusty, 7.10 i386
[18:20] <EvilDaemon> and I did sudo cfdisk
[18:24] <blue-frog> did you reboot afterwards?
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> yes
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> it went to grub, and still showed all of the previous oses.
[18:28] <EvilDaemon> ubuntu 7.10, and ubuntu 8.10
[18:28] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: so you didn't delete the /boot partition. that's all
[18:29] <stuart> Hi All
[18:30] <stuart> 8.04.1 server. Won't install on my hp netserver. Can't load installer from cd. Media check is good. ??
[18:31] <stuart> -- hp netserver E800 2xP3 1GHz 2GB ram
[18:31] <EvilDaemon> blue-frog: In cfdisk, there were two different options. one had boot on it. I deleted them all.
[18:33] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: sudo parted /dev/sda p    gives you what?
[18:33] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: by the way in cfdisk, you need to write out the changes you made
[18:34] <blue-frog> otherwise nothing is done
[18:34] <blue-frog> EvilDaemon: use parted, changes are made right away, no need to reboot
[18:42] <stainer> only with AT&T is a dynamic ip a selling point. Dynamic IP Addresses - Every time you log on to the Internet, your computer is assigned a new, unique IP address, making it more difficult for hackers to find you.
[18:44] <EvilDaemon> it says that the directory isn't there. So It's just deleting it off of grub?
[19:05] <orogor> hi here
[19:05] <orogor> anyone knows of any decent documentation/tutorial on apparmor?
[19:06] <sommer> orogor: https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/serverguide/C/apparmor.html
[19:07] <sommer> orogor: should get you started anyway
[19:08] <orogor> yhea, just stpotted the bottom link to suze doc , o think  was looking for that$
[19:25] <orogor> sommer, is there a repository wth additional profiles for apparmor on ubuntu  ?
[19:25] <orogor> also stupid queston what sthe difference between gentoo and gento server if i nstall server type packages on th desktop version ?
[19:27] <sommer> orogor: there's the apparmor-profiles package which contains additional profiles, that may be what you're looking for
[19:27] <sommer> orogor: nope the server and desktop use the same repositories so installing say apache on desktop is the same as installing it on sever
[19:27] <orogor> sommer, there s like 10 profiles in it , whichb isn t much
[19:28] <sommer> orogor: ya, apparmor integration is pretty conservative, due to the chance of messing things up
[19:28] <orogor> i could build profiles by myself , but ... would have been nice if there were some more
[19:28] <sommer> you can always submit any that you create :)
[19:29] <orogor> doesn t works out server doesn t answer
[19:30] <sommer> ?
[19:31] <orogor> i modified the cupsd profile , i was presented with an option to uopdate the repository but had an error when submitting profle , apparently (in don t know which) server wasn t answerng http
[19:32] <orogor> bah, i ll give up for today, i bet iptable forbidding incoming connections will protect me from 90% of stuff anyway
[19:58]  * [Solaris] wonders if trashguy comes in on the weekends
[20:07] <henkjan> D
[20:08] <EvilDaemon> is for Dog
[21:50] <[Solaris]> can someone tell me if my external IP address shows up a http page?
[22:11] <NCommander> [Solaris], sure
[22:11] <NCommander> IP address?
[22:11] <[Solaris]> 98.196.35.51
[22:12] <NCommander> [Solaris], yup
[22:13] <[Solaris]> good good
[22:14] <[Solaris]> now to figure out how to make it so a user can have a http page
[22:14] <[Solaris]> 98.196.35.51/<user> is the address right?
[22:14] <[Solaris]> typically
[22:15] <NCommander> ~user
[22:15] <[Solaris]> and in the user dir they need to add?
[22:17] <NCommander> usually public_html
[22:17] <NCommander> But that varies depending on the apache configuration
[22:17] <[Solaris]> erm whats defualt?
[22:18] <NCommander> No idea
[22:18] <[Solaris]> know where i can look?
[22:19] <[Solaris]> i thought normally you have to mkdir some directory for all the html stuff
[23:44] <LeChacal> hello can some help with this. At my school we have public printer on ip address 192.168.***.*** and my dorm pc is on ip address 172.16.***.***. I cant touch the settings in the router so i cant set up routing table to allow me to print to this printer but does any one have a different idea of how i can print to this printer. Thank You