[00:00] <RAOF> I believe so.  Using whatever the Alternate CD sets up when selecting encryption :)
[00:00] <cup0spam> what's the trick to getting dual monitors set up in ibex?
[00:00] <RAOF> skyjumper: Indeed.  Select the nvidia driver, start up gdm, let it die once or twice, then stop it and pastebin the logs.
[00:00] <RAOF> cup0spam: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution.
[00:01] <cup0spam> it bitches about my xorg.conf when i save the changes in the nvidia settings tool
[00:01] <RAOF> cup0spam: If you're using nvidia, then it's the same as always.
[00:01] <cup0spam> Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!
[00:01] <RAOF> Hm.
[00:01] <cup0spam> i upgraded from 8.04 to ibex
[00:01] <cup0spam> right now i'm in ibext
[00:01] <RAOF> "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview"
[00:01] <cup0spam> everything is cool
[00:01] <cup0spam> the nvidia driver is working
[00:01] <cup0spam> ok lemme try that
[00:02] <comicinker> RAOF: i nearly thought, it is my fault that i doesn't work anymore. your system works for you but would't fit to mine. please refrain from such quick answers
[00:02] <cup0spam> Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf".
[00:02] <cup0spam> PARSE ERROR: Parse error on line 35 of section Module in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. "Disable" is not a valid keyword in this section.
[00:02] <cup0spam> Option "TwinView" "True" added to Screen "Screen0".
[00:02] <cup0spam> Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup'
[00:02] <cup0spam> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[00:02] <cup0spam> hrm
[00:02] <cup0spam> lemme see what that's all about
[00:03] <RAOF> comicinker: If you'd like more than "cryptsetup/luks can't be _too_ broken, because it works for me", you'll need to post some sort of details about your problem :)
[00:03] <skyjumper> RAOF: http://pastebin.com/f4450c19c
[00:04] <skyjumper> also worth nothing that Xorg was maxing out the cpu during the black-screen time
[00:04] <skyjumper> but this doesn't happen when running "X" from the commandline
[00:05] <skyjumper> scratch that... now X is doing it from the commandline
[00:05] <RAOF> Heh.  Pastebin the xorg.conf as well?
[00:06] <comicinker> on Ibex the command "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 CryptStorage" will fail with "Command failed: No key available with this passphrase". However on hardy it works fine.
[00:06] <skyjumper> http://pastebin.com/f4109b9c8
[00:06] <npurciful> i have a question maybe some on can answer it, inorder for my network set to work i have to run /etc/init.d/networking start, i didnt have to do that in hardy
[00:06] <RAOF> cup0spam: FWIW, http://pastebin.com/f3ee586d3 is a working twinview xorg.conf
[00:07] <RAOF> comicinker: This would presumably be on boot, from the busybox prompt?
[00:08] <RAOF> skyjumper: I'd try replacing your xorg.conf with the one I just posted.
[00:08] <comicinker> I'm sorry, _I_ was too quick: the corresponding modules weren't loaded yet. :-X
[00:11] <skyjumper> RAOF: same thing. also, this happens with the 'nv' driver
[00:12] <RAOF> skyjumper: Hm.  I don't suppose this is the strange "install fails with 2 monitors connected" bug?
[00:13] <skyjumper> odd, 'nv' is now working
[00:13] <skyjumper> <-- confused
[00:14] <Ryoushi> Hey, I don't know if you guys noticed, but it's October, which is when Intrepid is supposed to be released, and you guys still haven't fixed the bug in libmono, in spite of launchpad saying there's a fix.
[00:15] <Ryoushi> the fun part is that the "fix released" isn't in the repos.
[00:15] <Ryoushi> Also, Amarok randomly stops being able to play sound.
[00:15] <RAOF> Ryoushi: "The bug in libmono" is a little bit vague; I"m sure there are plenty of bugs in libmono :)
[00:15] <Ryoushi> RAOF - the one that makes it so it doesn't actually install.
[00:15]  * RAOF has it installed.
[00:16] <RAOF> Ryoushi: Bug number?
[00:16] <Ryoushi> Whenever you try to install it, there's a chain of broken dependancies.
[00:16] <Ryoushi> *gets*
[00:17] <Ryoushi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/+bug/185677
[00:18] <Ryoushi> right, it says there's a fix released.  The fun part is that the fix isn't released.
[00:18] <Ryoushi> it's fixed in 3.2
[00:18] <RAOF> Ryoushi: Have you read the final comment on tha bug?
[00:18] <Ryoushi> read it.
[00:18] <Ryoushi> as I was saying, that implies you get 3.2
[00:18] <Ryoushi> which is notably not in the repos.
[00:19] <Ryoushi> ack, meant 0.3-2
[00:20] <RAOF> Right.  But 3.1-4 _is_ in the archives.
[00:20] <Ryoushi> right, and the bug is still there in 3.1-4
[00:20] <Rezagrats> hey guys, im having trouble with the beta ISO/LIVECD. when i change the Resolution to 1280x1024 it takes me to the login in screen and then after 10seconds it logs me in as 'ubuntu' with like 1600x1024 resolution which my monito can't handle (so it shows me nothing). any ideas ?
[00:20] <RAOF> So, what you're seeing is that at some point during the alpha of _hardy_ there were packages which broke your upgrade path.
[00:21] <Ryoushi> no, I didn't have any troubles with libmono on hardy.
[00:21] <Ryoushi> but I'll try the fix again anyways.
[00:21] <RAOF> I presume you mean "libmono-addins0.2"
[00:21] <Ryoushi> yeah
[00:23] <RAOF> Basically, if you _ever_ had mono.addins 0.3-1 installed, your system will be broken until you fix it like that.
[00:24] <Ryoushi> yeah, I've noticed that
[00:25] <Ryoushi> oh hey, awesome, it's working this time.
[00:25] <Rezagrats> could anybody help ? i kinda want to run intrepid soon.
[00:25] <Ryoushi> well, thanks for getting me to try it again, I guess
[00:26] <Ryoushi> Rez, it's october, so a more stable version will soon be release.  it might be a better idea to just wait.
[00:27] <Rezagrats> this is only a resolution problem with the beta liveCD.. :(
[00:27] <RAOF> Rezagrats: Where are you changing the resolution to 1280x1024?
[00:27] <Rezagrats> in system > preferences > screen Resolution
[00:28] <RAOF> And that logs you out?
[00:28] <RAOF> Because it almost certainly shouldn't.
[00:28] <Rezagrats> yeah, i hit "apply" and it logs me out.
[00:28] <RAOF> Well, looks like you've hit a bug :)
[00:28] <Rezagrats> then it says something about logging in in 10seconds with the username "ubuntu"
[00:29] <RAOF> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting will help you report a useful bug for us :)
[00:29] <Rezagrats> then i get in with 1600x1024 res, which my monitor can't handle (i can't see anything so i do  a hard shut down)
[00:29] <shprot> help me upgrade kubuntu to beta version
[00:30] <RAOF> Rezagrats: So, what would be useful is - changing the screen resolution with sys->pref->screen resolution, having it log you out, and then switch to a VT with ctrl+alt+f1.
[00:31] <DGMurdockIII> is there support for blu ray drives
[00:31] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: I believe the answer is "yes", but don't expect to be able to play blue-ray discs.
[00:31] <Rezagrats> what's a VT ?
[00:32] <RAOF> Virtual Terminal.
[00:32] <RAOF> Press ctrl+alt+F1; you now have a text-mode login thingy waiting for you :)
[00:32] <DGMurdockIII> how can i play them
[00:32] <Rezagrats> then i can log in with 1280x1024 res ?
[00:32] <RAOF> Rezagrats: No, probably not.  I'm just trying to help you report your problem.
[00:33] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: From windows.
[00:33] <Rezagrats> oh
[00:33] <DGMurdockIII> sice when can it read blu ray
[00:33] <RAOF> DGMurdockIII: Or, I suppose OS X.
[00:33] <shprot> after "preparing to upgrade" window is disappearing without any messages
[00:33] <DGMurdockIII> since when can ubuntu read blu ray
[00:34] <RAOF> Dunno; I'm fairly sure the relevant kernel stuff was in Hardy, though.
[00:35] <Rezagrats> erm.... RAOF: _where_ do i report a bug ?
[00:35] <Ryoushi> Rezagrats - Launchpad.
[00:35] <shprot> таке враження, що говорю в трубу ((
[00:35] <RAOF> Rezagrats: Oh.  On launchpad.net, against the "xorg" package.
[00:35] <RAOF> !ru > shprot
[00:36] <shprot> I'm from Ukraine, not from Russia.
[00:37] <RAOF> Sorry, then.  Russian seemed the best-guess, given cyrillic.
[00:38] <shprot> ))
[00:39] <shprot> help me please upgrade kubuntu
[00:41] <RAOF> So, what are you doing to try to upgrade?
[00:41] <shprot> adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel
[00:41] <shprot> I try upgrade from Hardy
[00:42] <RAOF> Can you run that from the terminal and see what output if anything there is?
[00:42] <Lofde_> upgrade-manager -d
[00:42] <Lofde_> ?
[00:43] <shprot> shprot@banka:~$ kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel"
[00:43] <shprot> kbuildsycoca running...
[00:43] <shprot> UpgradeWizard::checkForDistUpgrade
[00:43] <shprot> kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem()
[00:43] <shprot> kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 42
[00:43] <shprot> adduser
[00:43] <RAOF> !pastebin | shprot
[00:43] <skyjumper> so the nvidia driver is freezing for about 30 seconds after "(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled"
[00:43] <shprot> debconf
[00:43] <skyjumper> with full cpu usage during freeze
[00:43] <shprot> sysklogd
[00:43] <shprot> snort-mysql
[00:43] <Lofde_> shprot,  type ' upgrade-manager -d ' into console
[00:43] <shprot> oinkmaster
[00:44] <shprot> adduser
[00:44] <shprot> debconf
[00:44] <shprot> sysklogd
[00:44] <shprot> snort-mysql
[00:44] <shprot> oinkmaster
[00:44] <shprot> gpg: Signature made чт, 02-жов-2008 13:44:50 +0300 EEST using DSA key ID 437D05B5
[00:44] <shprot> gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ub
[00:44] <Lofde_> !op
[00:44] <LjL> shprot, don't do that please, use the pastebin
[00:45] <shprot> Lofde, command not found
[00:45] <Lofde_> shprot,  1 sec
[00:45] <shprot> LjL, ok )
[00:46] <Lofde_> shprot,  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936696
[00:47] <Lofde_> I would recommend backing up everything and installing fresh off a live cd if your having issues upgrading through the internet
[00:47] <shprot> LjL, tell me how to use pastebin
[00:47] <Lofde_> go to the website
[00:47] <Lofde_> and enter in the information you want to paste
[00:47] <Lofde_> it will give you a url to enter into this room
[00:48] <Lofde_> heres an example
[00:48] <Lofde_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/54049/
[00:49] <shprot> Lofde_, ok
[00:50] <Lofde_> it keeps one from flooding the channel with output from long console screens
[00:51] <skyjumper> anyone else have nm-applet's icon disappear?
[00:51] <Lofde_> ive heard of it in the forums
[00:51] <shprot> ok I try upgare with cd
[00:52] <sorush20> hi
[00:52] <sorush20> adept is removed what do I do ?
[00:52] <sorush20> what is the alternative to adept please ?
[00:54] <AirBender> apt-get
[00:54] <AirBender> aptitude
[00:54] <sorush20> why is adept package mager removed
[00:54] <AirBender> dpkg may be
[00:55] <AirBender> I don't know, may be you removed something and didn't realized that adept sugested you to remove itself too
[00:55] <sorush20> how do I reinstall a package using apt-get
[00:55] <sorush20> from the terminal?
[00:55] <AirBender> sometimes the dependencie solver makes some errors in its sugestions
[00:56] <AirBender> sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME
[01:01] <sorush20> AirBender: it says it broken and I do apt-get install -f but its not working
[01:02] <AirBender> mmm
[01:02] <AirBender> try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[01:03] <sorush20> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[01:03] <sorush20>   adept-manager: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6
[01:03] <sorush20> E: Broken packages
[01:04] <AirBender> try the dist-upgrade to see if it solves your broken packages...
[01:05] <sorush20> did that  no use
[01:05] <AirBender> ok
[01:05] <bofh80> hi people, i tried a fresh install of the beta on my machine, i can't get the bluetooth pand stuff to connect properly, it works under hardy. anyone can help on this topic? cheers! :)
[01:05] <AirBender> may be it's time to use dpkg to fix the problem
[01:06] <AirBender> but dpkg has lot of options, don't remember yet the option in your case
[01:06] <AirBender> use the manpages
[01:06] <d4t4min3r> is the key command to update to the latest beta , alt +F2
[01:08] <AirBender> uhm nope
[01:08] <AirBender> alt+f2 is a shortcut to execute a command
[01:08] <bofh80> it's a "run box"
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> ohoh ok and..
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> one more question
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> after i update to the beta
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> can i then update to the full release the same way
[01:09] <d4t4min3r> or will i need to reinstall
[01:09] <AirBender> the same way
[01:10] <d4t4min3r> do they do like... beta 1.. beta 2
[01:10] <AirBender> just use update-mnager
[01:10] <d4t4min3r> and if so.. what beta are we on
[01:10] <AirBender> it's a seamless process
[01:10] <AirBender> I don't know
[01:10] <bofh80> the first one after 6 alpha's
[01:10] <AirBender> I think beta doesn't have key names
[01:10] <AirBender> numbers*
[01:11] <pengo> i just want a newer mencoder.
[01:11] <AirBender> then comes the Release candidate, and then the stable version
[01:11] <d4t4min3r> any major bugs right now
[01:11] <bofh80> bluetooth and pand anyone? the information i find for ibex is outdated, ie for the first alpha's. people complaning about it not being there
[01:11] <pengo> i'm told the universe was just forming when hardy's version was released
[01:11] <AirBender> sorush20: what error does apt-get give you when trying to fix your packages?
[01:12] <bofh80> yes, there are a few 'main' bugs right now. like intel gigabit ethernet cards
[01:12] <CarlFK> pengo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb  look for "mplayer maintains the debian/ dir"
[01:12] <pengo> thanks CarlFK
[01:17] <hml> does ubuntu 8.10 beta have the badram kernel patch in by default?
[01:19] <sorush20> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[01:38] <CarlFK> is there a chance of installing vmware on ibex right now?
[01:38] <CarlFK> I am guessing i need a binary from vmware co, and unless they are all goofy...
[01:41] <sorush20> AirBender: I don't get any errors
[01:42] <teemuki> CarlFK: have you tried virtualbox?
[01:44] <CarlFK> teemuki: no. will that do a amd 64?
[01:45] <teemuki> CarlFK: yes. and it's available in universe.
[01:45] <CarlFK> cool.  any idea how to boot a kernel from the local filesystem ?
[01:45] <AirBender> teemuki: are you sure vbox is supporting 64bits arquitectures as guest?
[01:46] <teemuki> AirBender: 2.0 supports 64bit guests
[01:47] <CarlFK> here is what I did with qemu: http://dpaste.com/82416/
[01:47] <AirBender> cool
[01:47] <AirBender> teemuki: and does the universe version have kernel modules for the latest kernel?
[01:48] <AirBender> because some weeks ago it didn't and I changed to the binary version from vbox's repo
[01:49] <AirBender> in other words, does it run with the latest kernel?
[01:49] <teemuki> AirBender: hmm. i'm not sure. looks like there are compiled modules for 2.6.24 kernel only
[01:49] <CarlFK> " * No suitable module for running kernel found."
[01:50] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.com/82430/
[01:50] <AirBender> ok, so it remains the same
[01:50] <CarlFK> thats a stock kernel too, not the one I booted in qemu
[01:51] <slestak> crimsun: do you remember the gutsy regression i have with nvidia-glx-new after intrepid install?  we were talking maybe 2 days ago
[01:51] <AirBender> well If you don't mind, you can add the vbox repository, and install the binary version
[01:53] <d4t4min3r> question: while its d/l the update files.. im ok to chat on irc and .. surf the internet?
[01:53] <slestak> anyone pretty good with kernel module loading and troubleshooting?
[01:53] <slestak> particularly the _Ubuntu_ way...
[01:53] <AirBender> slestak: having issues with nvidia drivers?
[01:54] <slestak> AirBender: yes, not on my Intrepid partition, but after installing II on sda2, my Gutsy install will no loonger load nvidia.ko
[01:54] <AirBender> so weird...
[01:54] <slestak> AirBender: even after reloading nvidia-glx-new (ver 100), it will not boot into X
[01:55] <slestak> i have an idea though
[01:55] <slestak> Intreped is using nvidia 177 succesfully
[01:55] <AirBender> yeap
[01:56] <slestak> i have a mountpoint to my II partition that is mounted by gutsy at boot.  I wonder if the _Ubuntu_ way searches for modules in non-standard locations, and my GG install is seeing the Intrepid nvidia.ko and trying to load it instead of its own?
[01:56] <slestak> and of course II's 177 module may not be compatible with 2.6.24 in GG
[01:58] <AirBender> don't know, I'm not the expert you're looking for... but may be you can try to wrap your 177 module and try
[01:58] <AirBender> if you want to test your guess
[01:59] <slestak> AirBender: i think the next logical step is to comment out the fstab mount to /intrepid and then try to reinstall nvidia-glx-new.
[01:59] <AirBender> sure
[02:00] <AirBender> but I don't think it's looking for the kernel modules in the other partition..., it's good idea to test it though
[02:00] <slestak> i cant figure out any other way II partition can influence GG partition.  I mean GG was rock solid until very minute II was installed.
[02:01] <AirBender> yes, I understand your point.
[02:02] <AirBender> and have you looked at the kernel log?
[02:02] <alteregoa> intrepid has a problem with my 440 agp
[02:02] <slestak> intrepid is workign fine
[02:02] <slestak> alpha 6
[02:02] <RAOF> alteregoa: If, by "440 agp" you mean "Geforce 440MX", then yes.
[02:02] <alteregoa> yes
[02:02] <RAOF> Or, rather, the other way 'round.  The nvidia driver doesn't support us.
[02:02] <alteregoa> i tried with envy
[02:03] <RAOF> Whatever you try will fail.
[02:03] <slestak> alteregoa: did you try the nvidia-legacy driver?
[02:03] <alteregoa> no
[02:03] <RAOF> slestak: *Everything* he tries will fail.
[02:03] <RAOF> alteregoa: It's not possible to get the nvidia driver (for your card) to work on Intrepid.
[02:03] <slestak> RAOF: what is up with 440mx that makes it fail?
[02:03] <RAOF> slestak: The nvidia driver doesn't support it anymore.
[02:03] <slestak> it works with nv non-accel driver right?
[02:03] <RAOF> slestak: Right.
[02:04] <alteregoa> that sucks
[02:04] <RAOF> Indeed it does.
[02:04] <alteregoa> because i got a nice p2b-d board, and i can't find another graphics card support the agp of this board
[02:04] <slestak> newegg should be able to offer sth for cheap in agp, maybe a 5200 fx for like what, 35 bucks
[02:04] <RAOF> There are no nvidia drivers for gforce cards <= geforce 4 that work in intrepid.
[02:04] <slestak> ouch
[02:05] <alteregoa> its a kernel problem maybe
[02:05] <RAOF> No, it's the nvidia drivers.
[02:05] <RAOF> The 173 drivers don't support anything < geforce 5, and the older 96 and 78 drivers don't support Xserver 1.5
[02:06] <alteregoa> i still got an mga g400 whatever, that might work
[02:06] <AirBender> slestak: have you looked at the Xorg log file greping NVIDIA ?
[02:07] <JasonWoof> anybody start having wireless problems in the last couple days?
[02:07] <AirBender> not me, using Atheros
[02:07] <JasonWoof> I updated everything in intrepid, and now when I boot ubuntu I'm not online
[02:08] <JasonWoof> running just dhclient3 gets me online, but I keep getting disconnected
[02:08] <JasonWoof> and after a while the softIRQ kernel process (or whatever it's called) started hogging the CPU
[02:08] <slestak> AirBender: just says cannot load module, and no screens found
[02:08] <JasonWoof> damn small linux seems to work fine, so I'm guessing it's ubuntu
[02:09] <AirBender> ok
[02:09] <slestak> i think im going to recompile nvidia-glx-new, then try insmod nvidia and see what I get in messages or dmesg
[02:09] <teemuki> CarlFK: the virtualbox module installed fine here. try installing the linux-headers package for your kernel before installing virtualbox-ose-source
[02:09] <sorush20> is there an skype in kubuntu?
[02:10] <lufis> Any ideas on audacity output not working?
[02:11] <slestak> lokign at properties of nvidia-glx-new, there is no .ko in there.  what provides nvidia.ko?
[02:12] <slestak> lufis: other sound apps generate audio fine?
[02:12] <lufis> slestak: yup
[02:12] <lufis> but audacity is mute, no matter what output i select
[02:12] <alteregoa> someone tried to run hardy with an .27 kernel?
[02:13] <JasonWoof> lufis, audacity is crappy at detecting/guessing your audio settings
[02:13] <slestak> lokign at properties of nvidia-glx-new, there is no .ko in there.  what provides nvidia.ko?
[02:13] <JasonWoof> lufis, look through the preferences
[02:13] <lufis> JasonWoof: I tried all 3 outputs, none work
[02:13] <bazhang> alteregoa, this is for intrepid support not hardy.
[02:13] <RAOF> slestak: linux-restricted-modules
[02:14] <slestak> ty
[02:15] <slestak> i think i was reinstalling the wrong package to fix this
[02:22] <slestak> brb
[02:24] <slestak> RAOF: i reinstalled linux-restricted-modules, but i have no nvidia.ko on my system.  i did an updatedb to make sure locate was up to date
[02:24] <carutsu> hey, I was having troubles upgrading from Herdy to Intrepid, I think that is because I'm using the 4.1.2 packages... does that mean I have to downgrade to 4.0 then upgrade to Intrepid!?
[02:25] <RAOF> slestak: So, actually, nvidia.ko is linked on boot-time by the linux-restricted-modules-common initscript.
[02:25] <slestak> so it will not exist until I reboot? or shoudl it exist now?
[02:26] <RAOF> slestak: You should be able to run "sudo invoke-rc.d linux-restricted-modules-common start" to get it to link the module.
[02:31] <bofh80> if anyone has information on bluetooth and pand in the new beta pls pm with info, am afk. thanks :)
[02:55] <zorglu_> q. is there any known problem with installing ubuntu+1 with virtual box ?
[03:11] <Delvien> Has anyone gotten USB working in Virtualbox hosted on intepid?
[03:13] <zorglu_> just booting would be enougth for me:!)
[03:14] <zorglu_> i try to install 8.10 on virtualbox for 2h :)
[03:14] <zorglu_> because vlc guys say "8.04 is for loosers"
[03:14] <zorglu_> keeping his cool is not easy :)
[03:14] <Delvien> Well, that shows their accountability now doesnt it
[03:15] <platius> Delvien; http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-virtualbox-16-in-ubuntu-804hardy-heron-including-usb-support.html     you might look at this USB fix for hardy
[03:16] <Delvien> platius the thing is.. the commented out lines are not even in the file anymore as of intrepid
[03:16] <platius> ahh
[03:17] <zorglu_> must be a "looser blog entry" :)
[03:18] <Delvien> platius do you have a copy of yours with the commented lines?
[03:18]  * zorglu_ is trying humor to fight the rage due to having to work in the middle of the night
[03:18]  * DanaG just adds usbfs to fstab.
[03:18] <DanaG> none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0
[03:19] <Delvien> DanaG that directed to me?
[03:19] <platius> Delvien; I do not have vb in ibex, just now installing
[03:19] <zorglu_> without usb, is it installable under virtualbox ?
[03:19] <Delvien> platius can you paste bin your /etc/init.d/mountdevusbfs.sh ?
[03:20] <platius> Delvien; give me a sec, need to change PCs
[03:21] <zorglu_> ok it frooze again, rebooting
[03:21] <Delvien> brb
[03:21] <zorglu_> q. is there anybody succeeding to install 8.10 inside virtualbox ?
[03:24] <Delvien> platius back
[03:27] <platius> Delvien,  I don't seem to have the file in 8.10. I will try to install virtualbox
[03:27] <Delvien> platius logged into my server and got it
[03:30] <Delvien> meh still doesnt work, oh well
[03:40] <d4t4min3r> question, just upgraded to beta and .. when i click on like.. pictures in place
[03:41] <d4t4min3r> places.. it just keeps going to a avi file i had inside the pictures folder.. its not showing the directory
[03:41] <d4t4min3r> or.. if i click on documents.. the same .. vlc opens and it looks like its opening every file in some directory.. i can see
[03:41] <d4t4min3r> sysinfo.
[04:03] <DanaG> How can I get my Gnome to auto-mount USB drives on insertion?
[04:06] <kiba> hello
[04:06] <kiba> does anybody get that really annoying session logout?
[04:07] <kiba> when I was using the desktop
[04:07] <kiba> all the sudden it logged me out
[04:07] <kiba> and then I have to log in and restart everything again
[04:08] <alteregoa> i need something like a raid1 for the system
[04:09] <DanaG> Aah, had to edit gconf.
[04:09] <alteregoa> i was able to build a raid5
[04:09] <alteregoa> for datas
[04:09] <d4t4min3r> i hye
[04:09] <d4t4min3r> hey
[04:09] <d4t4min3r> im having an issue
[04:09] <d4t4min3r> anything i click on in "places" like documents folder
[04:09] <d4t4min3r> or anything.. it opens with vlc..
[04:10] <alteregoa> remove vlc
[04:14] <kiba> damn
[04:14] <kiba> it just went down again
[04:25] <derekS> hey, is there a reason timevault isn't uncluded in intrepid ibex? i thought it ws basically made for it...
[04:26] <bofh80> oh hell no, shadow copy for ubuntu? is this going to be as bad as tracker?
[04:28] <bofh80> derekS, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault    <if you look under Version 0.7.4, that's probably why it's not included
[04:30] <derekS> bofh80: # Baselines currently not working. ?
[04:31] <bofh80> derekS, and the nautilus plugin broken, sounds like they went a little over the edge ey lol
[04:31] <derekS> what do they mean
[04:31] <derekS> baselines?
[04:32] <bofh80> mm, at a guess? probably the main program . ie whole thing caput until they fix various problems introduced by new code
[04:32] <derekS> haha ohhh
[04:42] <liuxg515> I update my system, and alsa do not work now.
[04:43] <mccord42> Has anyone here tried Ibex on a Dell Inspiron 1526 laptop?  I worry about the video performance due to the ATI drivers not supporting X.Org 7.4.  Does anyone know how the 3d performance is in the open source ATI drivers with a Radeon Xpress 1250 card?  It uses the RS690 chip and it looks like the driver is pretty well along (http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature), but I thought I'd ask here before messing with my system.
[04:45] <RAOF> mccord42: I think that should be reasonably OK.
[04:53] <slestak> mccord42: i have II on a 1525, but I got it w an nvidia.
[04:53] <slestak> mccord42: im sorry, 1505
[04:53] <DanaG> argh... what the heck?
[04:54] <DanaG> PulseAudio just died!
[04:54] <alteregoa> call jesus
[04:54] <DanaG> Unplug AC power... bam, pulseaudio dies.
[05:05] <alteregoa> how can i manual select the gateway
[05:06] <alteregoa> i am multihomed, but i need to assing a single destination to use another gateway
[05:06] <alteregoa> there is 192.168.1.1 default gw, and i want to add 192.168.1.2 ( failback) for a single ip
[05:16] <RAOF> alteregoa: "Edit connections" -> IPv4 settings -> Manual
[05:18] <onemorevoice> can anyone help me rebuild my xserver? I need to change my video card drivers and it's not letting me, only asks about the video frambuffer and then the keyboard config.
[05:18] <RAOF> onemorevoice: Why do you need to change your video drivers (what to?)
[05:19] <onemorevoice> well my tablet pc doesn't have a cdrom
[05:19] <onemorevoice> so i have to take hard drive out and install in another computer
[05:19] <onemorevoice> when i put it back in mine i used to be able to (<8.04) just reconfigure the xserver and pick the right video card
[05:19] <RAOF> onemorevoice: Right.  Wheras what you'll do now is nothing, and X will select the correct driver itself.
[05:20] <onemorevoice> well the display itself is ok, color etc.. but it is not filling up the entire screen
[05:20] <onemorevoice> i'm actually using 8.04 still.. people in regular ubuntu channel aren't helping
[05:20] <RAOF> Oh.  In that case, ignore what I said.
[05:21] <onemorevoice> sorry! haha should have said that right away
[05:21] <RAOF> Although it might work that way anyway...
[05:21] <RAOF> I don't know.
[05:21] <onemorevoice> just frustrating because i can't find a solid answer via google
[05:22] <onemorevoice> alright well thanks anyhow
[05:22] <RAOF> You could try moving your xorg.conf out of the way with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup"
[05:23] <onemorevoice> and try to restart? will it do a full reconfigure then?
[05:23] <RAOF> And then log out and log back in.
[05:23] <onemorevoice> cool i'll give that a shot
[05:31] <slestak> when my system I am debugging doesnt boot into X, I dont have network, I guess because NetworkManager hasnt started.  How can you get a cripped ubuntu at teh cli to start the nic?
[05:31] <slestak> is it just /etc/init.d/network start, or does ubuntu networkign depend on the graphical NetworkManager?
[05:32] <danbh_intrepid> sometimes
[05:33] <danbh_intrepid> depends on what driver you are using
[05:35] <slestak> looks like im using ipw3945
[05:35] <slestak> wireless nic
[05:36] <sri> I"ve been trying to get ehci_hcd working with my usb wireless wireless card,  using 2.6.27-5 but I haven't  had much success.
[05:37] <sri> removing ehci_hcd seems to fix things, which a lot of people have talked about in bug  94540
[05:38] <EvilDaemon> where are the docs kept? Like in eggdrop, the program.
[05:39] <EvilDaemon> or any program in general
[05:39] <sri> /usr/share/doc generally
[05:39] <EvilDaemon> okay, thanks.
[05:40] <slestak> sri: did that nic work for you with earlier kernels?
[05:46] <skyjumper> slestak: the networkmanager in intrepid can make any net connection happen on boot
[05:46] <sri> slestak: yes it did.
[05:47] <sri> slestak: i've had problems if i removed the usb   stick though and put it back on, I would get issues and I would have to reboot it.
[05:48] <sri> let me know ifyou think I should put in a bug, it seems like for all teh bugs related to usb errors, a common post was attached to try 2.6.27.. but i've seen  nobody follow up saying it's good or bad.
[05:48] <sri> nic worked fine in hardy though, and it fact it works fine if i remove ehci_hcd and drop back to usb 1.1
[06:39] <TeslaTony> When starting a guest session, my system defaults to OpenBox. How can I change it to KDE or Gnome?
[06:48]  * salohcin waves at Hobbsee
[06:49] <Hobbsee> hey salohcin!
[06:49] <salohcin> how's school?
[06:49] <Hobbsee> on break, atm.
[06:49] <salohcin> So wonderful then :)
[06:51] <salohcin> Ok trying to get an Atheros AR2413 working
[06:53] <salohcin> 1/4 of the problem is I've never seen the wifi card for the laptop in windows
[06:53] <Hobbsee> sounds ominous
[06:54] <salohcin> 1/4 is i've just found the kill switch so I don't know riht now if it's on or off
[06:54] <salohcin> The kernel picks up the card and loads the ath5 modules
[06:55] <salohcin>  but Network Manager is screwed up or something :*
[06:55] <salohcin> Anyway to know if the card is there and active?
[06:59] <salohcin> oh
[06:59] <salohcin> iwconfig shows the card
[07:13] <salohcin> Whooot it works :)
[07:21] <DreadKnight> hello! can anyone please give me the sources.list for intrepid?
[07:22] <DreadKnight> i messed up the second time upgrading from hardy to intrepid... it simple sucks on 64 bits; 32 just works / upgrades
[07:22] <rzk> if you are asking that question you probably don't want to upgrade
[07:23] <DreadKnight> it doesn't recognizes my sources list after upgrade
[07:23] <DreadKnight> it might be a bug
[07:24] <DreadKnight> after upgrade i didn't even had kdm installed actually
[07:24] <DreadKnight> nothing...
[07:24] <DreadKnight> and x just doesn't starts
[07:25] <DreadKnight> sources.list anyone please? >_<
[07:26] <DreadKnight> i'm googleing for them heh
[07:28] <TeslaTony> DreadKnight: Check in Synaptic. With me, a bunch of entries got duplicated, and others were disabled, but none were deleted
[07:29] <jimmy1> anyone using a thinkpad? my volume keys on the laptop dont  control the master volume, can it be changed to do so?
[07:30] <DreadKnight> TeslaTony: i am using kubunty anyways; i just cleaned out my sources list, got good ones from the internet running the livecd since the upgrade from hardy didn't installed anything for me actually and messed up the sources.list
[07:30] <DreadKnight> jimmy1: you can in kde, don't know about gnome
[07:31] <jimmy1> DreadKnight: ya i couldnt find anything :\
[07:31] <jimmy1> in 8.04 it would even show the OSD ofthe volume changing, notin 8.10
[07:31] <DreadKnight> jimmy1: kde right?
[07:31] <jimmy1> DreadKnight: no gnome
[07:32] <DreadKnight> jimmy1: oh sorry can't help you on that one
[07:32] <jimmy1> DreadKnight: that's cool, thanks anyways
[07:33] <DreadKnight> ^^'
[07:33] <TeslaTony> Now this is interesting...if I use anything but OSS for sound, all I get is a crackling noise. This also happens if I try playing anything with Flash (games or Pandora). Anyone know of a fix?
[07:34] <alteregoa> what kernel?
[07:35] <alteregoa> try a kernel with cfs scheduler
[07:35] <alteregoa> for me it fixed the sound problems
[07:36] <TeslaTony> I'm using the latest for Ubuntu right now
[07:36] <alteregoa> what soundcard?
[07:36] <alteregoa> realcrap soundchip maybe
[07:36] <TeslaTony> Onboard Intel audio
[07:36] <TeslaTony> dp35dp motherboard
[07:44] <salohcin> How is WPA in Ibex?
[07:44] <salohcin> workable or still spotty?
[07:45] <Hobbsee> wfm, but it always has.
[07:46] <salohcin> Hobbsee: What chipset?
[07:46] <Hobbsee> salohcin: iwl3945.
[07:47] <salohcin> Ahof course
[07:52] <aliases123_> hi ah the upgrade from ibix from hardy kills / remove the hardy background.
[07:53] <aliases123_>  the new one is just too plain. i hope the current background will not be the final one...
[07:54] <aliases123_> + the drive eject icon is showing when i have no cd in. which is good and bad (for new users bad probably) -- when there is no disk in.
[07:55] <aliases123_> ibex*
[08:00] <TeslaTony> aliases123_: You can change the background to whatever you like.
[08:01] <aliases123_> *can* but if i am an end user and i prefer the hardy background - its gone.
[08:02] <TeslaTony> Did you do an upgrade or reinstall?
[08:02] <aliases123_> upgrade.
[08:02] <aliases123_> however, the hardy background i personally prefer to this new one which is just nothing. sort of a brown mush.
[08:03] <TeslaTony> http://www.openguru.com/2008/04/ubuntu-804-hardy-heron-default.html
[08:04] <aliases123_> TeslaTony: that isn't the point.
[08:04] <aliases123_> is the background in ipex going to be more developed then this brown mush i currently see ?
[08:05] <frybye> After loads of attempts to get skype to work on 64bit intrepid - they are no distrib. a passing version but I cant get it to work - probably because of all the legacy debris - how can I purge the system of all skype stuff - incl. the manually installed stuff???
[08:05] <TeslaTony> Probably, but possibly not. Are you not going to upgrade because of bad art?
[08:05] <frybye> e e e NOW- distributing....
[08:05] <Hobbsee> TeslaTony: no, but the artwork does suck.
[08:06] <Hobbsee> hmmm, there's no hardy-wallpapers package yet.
[08:06] <TeslaTony> Ehhh...fortunately Linux is not famous for its pretty facor
[08:06] <aliases123_> TeslaTony: look. i have been watching ubuntu get worse in the releases. hardy is ok. its not great but i can't stand the idea of removing the safe graphics boot. i have seen too  many laptops and computers not boot to a gui properly. hell in feisty i could install the nvidia driver whilst still on the cd. now i can't. i should probably file a bug for that cuz that is a major sticking point. --> use example new user gets said cd no gui... toss
[08:07] <Hobbsee> aliases123_: since when can't you boot into safe graphics mode, with the cd?
[08:07] <aliases123_> since the options is hidden and no where to be see.
[08:07] <aliases123_> option*
[08:07] <frybye> aliases123_: TeslaTony one of you ppl able to tell me how to purge skype completly please???
[08:08] <TeslaTony> frybye: Go to the directory you installed from and run "make uninstall," that should get most of it. If that doesn't work, you may need to find a different uninstall method
[08:08] <TeslaTony> (which I probably don't know)
[08:08]  * Hobbsee notes that you can boot into recovery mode, and tell it to automatically repair X for you, among other things.
[08:08] <aliases123_> apt-get --purge remove skype. then go find the rest (if it was a .deb and follows the rules).
[08:08] <aliases123_> Hobbsee: rather pointless unless it goes to the vesa driver.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> aliases123_: i'm fairly sure it repairs it to that, if it can't do anything else.
[08:09] <frybye> I did not compile the packages myself - but d-loaded them and installed locally... eh... does that make a difference...?
[08:09] <Hobbsee> besides, failsafe X will do that.
[08:09] <frybye> aliases123_: ok i will try that first...
[08:09] <TeslaTony> frybye: Were they debs?
[08:09] <frybye> yes....
[08:10] <TeslaTony> frybye: I tihnk there's a way to uninstall those using the original package
[08:10] <frybye> apart from a version that was just offered in the kubuntu update appl...
[08:11] <frybye> I will try the apt-get method first.. I want a working skype but I think that older attempts have left debris on the system...
[08:11] <TeslaTony> .debs can frequently be uninstalled from Synaptic (or adept if you use Kubuntu)
[08:12] <frybye> tried that but the new version still did nt work...
[08:12] <frybye> hang on - i will try a bit more... tks for now...
[08:12] <TeslaTony> Try the ubuntu forums...someone almost inevitably had the same issue as you
[08:13] <TeslaTony> Or come back when there's more people around...someone may know an easy fix
[08:15] <Hobbsee> frybye: apt-get remove --purge skype.
[08:16] <frybye> hmmm... strange - the apt-get purge command said that skype package was not installed (cos it is skype-static-oss or similar i guess..) BUT now skype starts...
[08:16] <frybye> but it has the wrong microphone as source and the selector offers no alternative mice sources..
[08:16] <frybye> hang on - stop ... hehehe I had unplugged my mike... heheheh
[08:17] <Hobbsee> well, find the package name, and use that.
[08:17] <TeslaTony> "My computer isn't turned on" "Is it plugged in?" "Oh..."
[08:25] <Ayabara> I just took the leap to 8.10, and now I can't connect to my wireless network
[08:25] <Ayabara> all the other wlans in my building are visible in the network manager, but not mine, which I autoconnected to in 8.04
[08:28] <Ayabara> any known/common wlan issues that I may have ran into?
[08:30] <Ayabara> !night
[08:41] <damhyojung> anybody installed 8.10 beta yet??
[08:41] <rzk> sure
[08:42] <damhyojung> ask you a question
[08:42] <damhyojung> when i go into the live CD by harddisk install,just black screen
[08:44] <Ayabara> anyone with wlan issues on intrepid?
[08:44] <rzk> dont know anything about that sorry
[08:44] <rzk> Ayabara: nope :-)
[08:46] <Ayabara> rzk: lucky you :)
[08:46] <Ayabara> how can I manually start the network manager applet?
[08:47] <RAOF> Ayabara: nm-applet
[08:47] <Ayabara> RAOF: thanks
[08:48] <Ayabara> hm. now no networks are visible. before, all but mine were visible
[08:49] <damhyojung> last time,i update systerm to 8.10,but when i login the systerm,black screen too
[08:51] <Ayabara> does nobody know where the network profiles are stored?
[08:52] <Ayabara> I need to delete all networks my Intrepid remembers from my Hardy days
[08:52] <alteregoa> heh, i got a offtopic question, how can i mux a audio file in a mpeg4 container without recoding the whole mpeg4 again?
[08:55] <RAOF> alteregoa: Absolutely.
[09:15] <aliases123_> Hobbsee: well the issue is that if xorg / ubuntu thinks it can work, its not going to hit failsafe is it ?
[09:15] <aliases123_> so you end up with a display that not there (no actual image or it is flashing) whilst xorg is like "i work".
[09:17] <nwm_> xchat crashes when I attempt to connect to a server, does anyone else experience this?
[09:18] <aliases123_> + the new art work does not respect ubuntu vs the hardy artwork atm.
[09:20] <aliases123_> nice. they got the network-manager right :) -- finally a piece of software that actually looks where i am.
[09:23] <aliases123_> um the network manager doesn't show any dial up methods tho. and shouldn't be showing me on the first page of an eth device the mac address. not something i can see new users changing (without problems).
[09:43] <hechu> hello, my PC installed 8.10 beta, now it can not show login screen (seems X is startup, but monitor is black), is there any help ? I use ATI 780G intergraded motherboard.
[09:44] <ikonia> why are you using the 8.10 bea ?
[09:44] <ikonia> beta
[09:44] <frybye> Hi - with Intrepid-beta and HDA NVidia (ALC883) onboard sound - terrible sound quality - scratchy - a bit like using 2 tin cans and a string to communicate  !! any tips.. (I have tried loads of stuff found with google - mostly about pulse audio to no effect...)
[09:45]  * aliases123_ my case example wow that was fast. ikonia yeah you can. were you using the ati driver (proprietary) ?
[09:45] <hechu> ikonia: I just want try new version of ubuntu .
[09:45] <ikonia> aliases123_: what ?
[09:45] <ikonia> hechu: your aware it's not stable and has problems ?
[09:45] <ikonia> aliases123_: yes I can what ?
[09:46] <frybye> so .. who is the duty-sound-guru today??? heheh
[09:46] <aliases123_> get some one else to help - i could tell you how to use the vesa driver (if the proprietary driver doesn't like the new kernel) -- otherwise you could run the older kernel.
[09:46] <ikonia> alteregoa: what are you talking about ?
[09:47] <ikonia> alteregoa: who are you talking to ?
[09:47] <hechu> ikonia: I think it's stable. I can hear the login sound (of gdm), but my monitor shows no signal and black screen .
[09:47] <ikonia> hechu: the beta release is not stable
[09:47] <hechu> ikonia: yes, hehe.
[09:47] <frybye> ikonia: looks like you can say that again... ! <smile..>
[09:48] <ikonia> hechu: I'd suggest changing the graphics driver to vesa to get at least "a screen" up
[09:48] <ikonia> then we can look at the ati setup
[09:48] <hechu> ikonia: but in my experience, I had install may beta ubuntu since 7.04
[09:48] <ikonia> hechu: then you should know how to fix things
[09:48] <hechu> ikonia: and there are successed.
[09:48] <ikonia> hechu: one release working does not mean the next one will
[09:49] <ikonia> and there are various stages/stability for each release
[09:49] <ikonia> the idea that one beta worked so "it's fine" is crazy
[09:49] <hechu> ikonia: yes. now I am trying to fix the problem.
[09:49] <ikonia> hechu: ok, so do what I suggested
[09:49] <roozbeh> hi
[09:49] <hechu> ikonia: and try to modify /etc/X11/xorg.conf by myself. but it seems new version of Xorg 7.4 changed many things.
[09:50] <roozbeh> i have a problem with my NTFS partitions in kubuntu 8.10 beta
[09:50] <ikonia> hechu: no it didn't, it just makes it dynamic
[09:50] <roozbeh> how can i maount my partitions in intrepid ?
[09:50] <ikonia> roozbeh: same as every other releases
[09:50] <roozbeh> i know
[09:50] <hechu> ikonia: I try to modify "Device" section to "ati", it seems not work.
[09:51] <roozbeh> but i am amator user
[09:51] <roozbeh> i dont now how can i !
[09:51] <ikonia> bofh80: thats not what I said do
[09:51] <ikonia> roozbeh: if your not a confident linux user, you shouldn't be using the beta release
[09:51] <ikonia> roozbeh: check "/topic" for more info
[09:52] <roozbeh> ikonia: i am using kubuntu 8.10 because kde4 is very atractive :D
[09:53] <ikonia> that doesn't change what I said
[09:53] <ikonia> roozbeh: kde 4 is also available in kubuntu 8.04
[09:53] <eagles051387> roozbeh: you could have just installed kde4 on hardy not upgrade your whole installation
[09:53] <eagles051387> ikonia: you read my mind
[09:54] <xdspro> Hi
[09:54] <eagles051387> !hi | xdspro
[09:54] <xdspro> I've got a little xserver problem in Intrepid
[09:54] <xdspro> i.e. xserver likes to use my joysticks/gamepads and mice
[09:54] <hechu> ikonia: do you know how to config /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and make it reconginize my graphice card?
[09:54] <eagles051387> xdspro: can you be more specific
[09:55] <xdspro> well when i plug in a joystick/gamepad, the x and y axes control mouse pointer position
[09:55] <frybye> Hi - with Intrepid-beta and HDA NVidia (ALC883) onboard sound - terrible sound quality - scratchy - a bit like using 2 tin cans and a string to communicate  !! any tips.. (I have tried loads of stuff found with google - mostly about pulse audio to no effect...)
[09:55] <ikonia> hechu: I've explained what to do
[09:55] <hechu> ikonia: my experience in old release does not work.
[09:55] <xdspro> and if i press a button on the joystick, X goes and crashes
[09:55] <ikonia> hechu: use the vesa settings to get a screen up, then we can debug ati
[09:55] <ikonia> hechu: what old releases ?
[09:55] <hechu> ikonia: such as 7.10
[09:56] <ikonia> hechu: thats one of the most silly things to say as you are saying your using beta versions since 7.04 because they work, beta versions then become "stable" versions, so what happens, do they just stop working when they are marked as stable ?
[09:56] <hechu> ikonia: how to change the setting? just change the Identifier from "Configured Video Device"
[09:56] <hechu> to "vesa"?
[09:56] <ikonia> hechu: no
[09:57] <ikonia> hechu: as I said you should not be using the beta versions unless you have a little bit of experience in troubleshooting and configuring a linux system
[09:57] <ikonia> hechu: or you should expect the beta's not to work
[09:57] <hechu> ikonia: then, do you have any document or wiki URL, I think I can try to finger it out.
[09:58] <ikonia> hechu: figure what out ?
[09:58] <hechu> ikonia: i mean try to fix the problem. sorry my English.
[09:58] <hechu> I am Chinese.
[09:58] <ikonia> hechu: I've suggested what to do to fix it
[09:58] <ikonia> change to the vesa driver to get xorg up, then debug ati
[10:00] <hechu> ikonia: ok, I will try, thank you very much.
[10:02] <xdspro> anyone got any ideas about my joystick-as-mice problem? I've already gone into xorg.conf and tried to force Mouse0 to only use /dev/input/mouse0 as the device, but that didn't seem to do anything
[10:06] <xdspro> anyone?
[10:06] <juliux> morning
[10:06] <xdspro> gday
[10:07] <juliux> has somebody tested ibex allready with the nonfree nvidiadriver?
[10:08] <xdspro> yeah i tested it for about 5 seconds before installing the proprietary driver
[10:08] <xdspro> seemd to work fine
[10:08] <xdspro> oh non free
[10:08] <xdspro> sory i read your comment wrong
[10:08] <juliux> i mean the proprietary driver;)
[10:08] <xdspro> yeah i'm using nonfree driver and all is well
[10:08] <xdspro> i've got copmiz making things looking all pretty, and no hiccups
[10:09] <juliux> i can't use compiz because i use multihead;)
[10:09] <xdspro> even the odd round of tf2 works fine under wine
[10:12] <juliux> sounds good, i will give it a try
[10:24] <xdspro> anyone got any ideas about my joystick-as-mice problem? I've already gone into xorg.conf and tried to force Mouse0 to only use /dev/input/mouse0 as the device, but that didn't seem to do anything
[10:26] <ron_> Still looking for help with terrible sound quality.. perhaps some guru who takes a look at http://paste.ubuntu.com/54187/ can give me some tips as to troubleshooting etc?
[10:28] <DreadKnight> can anyone tell me how i could swicth from 32 bit to 64? recompiling kernel perhaps anre installing my DE ?
[10:29] <lemonade> DreadKnight: i guess there's no easy way - just reinstall
[10:32] <knorr> Hi. I've got uvesafb working now, but it loads too late at boot for usplash to work. It's not loaded before 34 seconds. How can I make it load earlier?
[10:37] <ron_> is there a different # where I might have a bit more luck looking for intrepid-sound soloutions???
[10:38] <ron_> in #kubuntu and #ubuntu if there is any mention of intrepid nowone wants to help and they send one here..
[10:39] <bazhang> ron this is the channel for intrepid
[10:40] <ron_> bazhang: can you perhaps help a bit with the lousy sound here - extract from cat /proc/modules here http://paste.ubuntu.com/54187/
[10:41] <balachmar> Hi, anyone else having problems with a low sound volume?
[10:42] <frybye> I just changed my nick to the registered one - used for the paste etc.. <was ron..>
[10:43] <frybye> balach... low volume with good quality is bad enough - but here the sound is terrible quality - not matter what volume... grrr...
[10:43] <balachmar> ghe ghe :) indeed that is worse :) But the volume so low, that you can hardly hear a movie is pretty bad as well :)
[10:44] <frybye> balachmar: yeah I can understand that ----
[10:45] <frybye> just now there dosent seem to be anybody much taking on sound problems... perhaps in a bit...?
[10:45] <Sa[i]nT> How's the beta? Any performance improvements so far?
[10:46] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: too bussy with trying to overcome basic problems to be much aware of perf. questions just now...
[10:46] <Rotlaus> I just put a fresh installation of Intrepid on my Netbook, did a fully update and installed the nonfree flasplugin, but it doesn't work neither in firefox nor in opera. How can i get it to work? Firefox doesn't give me the 'Missing Plugin' Message Bar-
[10:47] <Sa[i]nT> I'm upgrading to Ibex beta, I was wondering if it somewhat stable yet. I mean, this -is- the last month of working on it.
[10:47] <frybye> I also have an issue with flashplugin in intrepid beta... it seems to work here ok with firefox etc.. but when i try to run zattoo iptv system it claims I have no flash - they do now support intrepid so no good asking zattoo...
[10:48] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: getting better for sure - but is still not the final - a load more input will be made exactly d u r i n g the beta.. and corrected etc..
[10:49] <frybye> untill the beta there is not a very wide usership with loads of different config/hardware etc.. so even if the beta is only one month it wouild tend to be quite a busy time i gues...
[10:50] <Sa[i]nT> I was just getting it, so all I do is update on release day. Cuz Ibex is anticipated, and it'll take forever to download like hardy.
[10:50] <frybye> balachmar: if you find smbdy who knows the sound stuff - give me a tip - i need to get onto them also.. heheh
[10:51] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: u using torrent... (what bandwith do you have...?)
[10:51] <balachmar> frybye: If I find anything will post it here
[10:51] <frybye> here is was no special problem - using torrent and a 12-16.000adsl...
[10:51] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: I'm just upgrading through the repo's I'm guessing.
[10:52] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: o i c - i tried that too ... ;=(
[10:53] <Sa[i]nT> I hope this does'nt destroy my setup or something lol.
[10:53] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: a thing that made me a bit sad this morning was that I found myself discussing with my wife the idea (and cost!!) of getting xp/vista for this box... that hurt!!
[10:53] <Sa[i]nT> They'll be a bug, that I notice instantly with my luck.
[10:53] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: Ewweth!
[10:54] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: *slaps* Don't move onto the dark side.
[10:54] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: I had better not say too much... the fact i completly wiped a pc with no data backup and 2 o-systems on it before fresh install this intrepid speaks for itself tough...#
[10:55] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: right... I have another pc which i have to run dark-products on for work - but it would be a real pain to put it on this pc also...
[10:55] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: the upgrade is huge, taking forever to download.
[10:55] <frybye> Sa[i]nT: whats your bandwith...?
[10:56] <Sa[i]nT> frybye: I only get 90K/sec here. Yeah I know.
[10:56] <frybye> here the upgrade d-load time was not the issue.. (was more the results and what happend -afterwards - heheh
[10:56] <Sa[i]nT> What kind of comp was it?
[10:56] <frybye> on a good day with favourable tail-wind and of course a server that is up to it at the other end I have 1.2M/sec... sorry...
[10:57] <frybye> what I hve right here is a selfbuilt - amd x2 4200 with 2gb ram and a nvidia gs8400gs.. el cheapo but works...
[10:57] <Sa[i]nT> I got an DualCore Acer Aspire 5610Z.
[10:57] <frybye> apart from the sound problems with intrepid apparently...
[10:57] <Sa[i]nT> Laptop. I hope it runs good with the upgrade.
[10:58] <JonasNZ> hey all, im running intrepid beta and i upgraded my kernel to 2.6.27-5 by installing linux-image-2.6.26-5-generic, but now i cant get my nvidia drivers to compile, something about the sources not being present, even though i have installed both linux-source-2.6.27-5 and the linux-headers package for the kernel
[10:58] <Sa[i]nT> Maybe the problem was installing fresh instead of upgrading.
[10:58] <frybye> the problem here was only related to the fact that I also had open-office11 on the pc and that got int he way of the upgrade/grub etc...
[10:59] <frybye> if i had a lot more linux background knowledge i could have probably repaird the upgrade  - but I just dont have the knowledge to do much of that ...
[10:59] <frybye> and right now dont have anybody locally who would come round and help to fix stuff..
[10:59] <Sa[i]nT> What's the error you get with the sound?
[10:59] <frybye> I am in Germany and have been able to offer a knowledge-swap - english-conversation  ./. linux stuff.. in the past - but no taker just now...
[11:00] <frybye> not aware of any error message (dont kn ow how to provoke-get one..??) but the sound quality is horrible...
[11:00] <Sa[i]nT> Using alsa?
[11:01] <frybye> here is the cat /proc/modules here http://paste.ubuntu.com/54187/
[11:01] <frybye> cat /proc/modules here http://paste.ubuntu.com/54187/
[11:01] <frybye> sorry...
[11:01] <frybye> was not scrolled all the way down...
[11:02] <Sa[i]nT> So, it just sounds, bad?
[11:02] <frybye> Sa[i]nT:  I suppose so - sorry I am pretty much a newbie...
[11:02] <frybye> sounds like shouting in a big tin can...
[11:02] <frybye> for sure the wrong driver i guess..
[11:02] <Sa[i]nT> What happens when you try "sudo alsa reload" in your terminal.
[11:03] <frybye> hang on i will try...
[11:05] <frybye> here...http://paste.ubuntu.com/54198/
[11:05] <Sa[i]nT> Hmmm.
[11:06] <Sa[i]nT> Go to System->Sound
[11:06] <Sa[i]nT> I mean System->Prefs->Sound
[11:06] <frybye> btw I am in kubutu-intrepid-beta
[11:06] <Sa[i]nT> ooo KDE?
[11:06] <Sa[i]nT> I'm a gnome user.
[11:06] <Sa[i]nT> Hmmm.
[11:07] <frybye> there it has HDA NVidia (ALC883 Analog) at the top of the list...#
[11:07] <frybye> me too on the eeepc - that still has hardy and evrything works I must  admit...
[11:07] <Sa[i]nT> What's it say under Sound Playback?
[11:07] <frybye> hmmm that is a good point.. i could perhaps whipe this kubuntu intrepid and go for the gnome...
[11:07] <Sa[i]nT> If KDE has that. I'm looking at Gnome's tools so I'm sure there is going to be a mixup.
[11:08] <frybye> where is that ???
[11:08] <frybye> audio output???
[11:08] <Sa[i]nT> Yeah, it should have an option like ALSA or OSS, something like that.
[11:09] <frybye> under notifications it still has pulse audio at the top of the list but on booting there is always a fault window saying that pulse audio dosent work and it is falling bacl to alc883
[11:09] <Sa[i]nT> Can you change it?
[11:09] <frybye> there is also a tab - backend
[11:09] <frybye> in there it mentions xine...
[11:10] <Sa[i]nT> You -need- to get gnome.
[11:10] <frybye> but listen - I really think that is what i will do now - the kde stuff is just  too much for me...
[11:10] <frybye> for a newbie gnome is far better... i will need to re-config a load of stuff but never mind.. i have a bit of time today...
[11:10] <Sa[i]nT> Cuz most of Ubuntu user's use gnome, and if your a newb. Stick with what the bigdogs are using.
[11:10] <frybye> #i will go for that and be back here when done...
[11:10] <frybye> right...
[11:11] <frybye> bye for now..#
[11:11] <Sa[i]nT> Bye.
[11:22] <Linux_Galore> new ubuntu wallpaper http://www.ubuntista.com/filez/ubuntu-logo_by-ubuntista-com_1
[11:23] <ikonia> Linux_Galore: what has that got to do with ubuntu 8.10 development
[11:24] <Sa[i]nT> Plus.
[11:24] <Sa[i]nT> It does'nt work.
[11:24] <Linux_Galore> ikonia: way to promote Ubuntu dude, lets all be unfeeling pricks like you
[11:25] <Sa[i]nT> Pwned.
[11:25] <Linux_Galore> nice when I right
[11:26] <Linux_Galore> Im*
[11:36] <Hirato> everytime I boot, ubuntu creates a default connection profile of sorts, considering I made my own which uses a static IP, how would I get ubuntu to use that one, instead of the default one it creates on boot?
[11:42] <ikonia> Hirato: you mean a network manager profile ?
[11:42] <Hirato> yeah :)
[11:42] <ikonia> Hirato: so you make a profile, set the profile, reboot and it goes back to the default ?
[11:42] <Hirato> yeah
[11:43] <ikonia> thats odd, I thought the last in use was the default, I'm not sure if there is a way to set a default
[11:43] <Hirato> I actually delete the one it creates on each boot ^^
[11:44] <Hirato> and then it just loads uip mine
[11:44] <ikonia> I'd log a bug for that, or search if one exists, I don't believe that's how it's meant to work
[11:44] <Hirato> the big reason I'm asking is because I run a webserver on here, and all port 80 traffic is redirected to 10.0.0.50
[11:45] <hashman> hi, I need some help, I need to know how to configure the sound card in ubuntu (8.10), I have no alsaconf and I have revised the package browser and I can't find any package that provides it
[11:45] <rzk> hashman: it's removed
[11:45] <hashman> ok, so how to configure my soundcard?
[11:45] <rzk> you can't
[11:45] <hashman> alsaconfig reports pulse chip (???), but in SusE 11.1 beta 1 I used hda-intel
[11:46] <rzk> not like in alsaconf at least
[11:46] <rzk> need to play with modulels loading etc
[11:46] <rzk> shame alsaconf  got removed
[11:46] <hashman> ok, so is there any way I can change from pulse to hda-intel?
[11:46] <hashman> hmmmç
[11:48] <Hirato> that reminds me, I was gonig to make ALSA the default, due to pulse audio sounds oddities
[11:48] <hashman> by the way, what is pulse?
[11:48] <Hirato> I suspect it's the pulseaudio sound server
[11:49] <hashman> I'm a fan of alsamixergui, I can control everything from there
[11:49] <Sa[i]nT> Ibex has Alsa right?
[11:49] <rzk> Sa[i]nT: yes
[11:49] <Sa[i]nT> rzk: Good.
[11:49] <hashman> oh wait
[11:50] <hashman> I have run the gnome volume control and it reports hda-intell is being usedç
[11:50] <hashman> so everything is right
[11:51] <zorglu_> q. is it possible to install 8.10server under virtualbox ?
[11:52] <Sa[i]nT> You can d/l the .iso for it. So you should be able to install it in virtualbox.
[11:52] <zorglu_> Sa[i]nT: i do notice the "should" :)
[11:53] <Sa[i]nT> zorglu_: Well, it's like any other operating system.
[11:53] <zorglu_> i ask because i tried several times yesterday, and everytime it freeze during the install
[11:54] <Sa[i]nT> In a couple minutes I'mma be bootin' up in Ibex. I'm crossing my fingers.
[11:54] <Hirato> out of curiosity, is a kde-legacy set of packages being considered?
[11:55] <ikonia> Hirato: thats a good question, I've not sen anything on them
[11:55] <zorglu_> oh i got a question about kde, is kde4.0 now the default with 8.10?
[11:55] <ikonia> es
[11:55] <ikonia> yes
[11:55] <Hirato> yes it is
[11:55] <zorglu_> hmm no good
[11:55] <Hirato> I'm not happy about that, mostly due to crap nvidia drivers :)
[11:55] <zorglu_> is it possible to keep kde3.5
[11:55] <Sa[i]nT> I'm an avid gnome fan. I hope there is some improvements.
[11:56] <zorglu_> kde4  is like vista for ms :)
[11:56] <zorglu_> they will spend years to fix it
[11:57] <Hirato> I assure you taht KDE4 is quite fast, as long as you use nouveau or nv as the driver if you intend to use an NVIDIa GPU :)
[11:57] <Hobbsee> Hirato: i don't think there will be kde legacy packages.  At least, it's not on the current wishlist, afaik.
[11:57] <Hirato> thanks Hobbsee, I really prefer kde3's functionality and speed, so I hope it can be considered :)
[11:57] <zorglu_> and non buggyness
[11:58] <Hobbsee> Hirato: well, you've got a while until hardy goes EOL, anyway :)
[11:58]  * Hirato just noticed his ping is 386, as in i386
[11:58] <ikonia> ahhh there is the kde queen now
[11:58] <Hobbsee> ikonia: the kde queen?  I haven't run KDE in a very long time...
[11:58] <edno> hi, anyone has a problem with sound on intrepid?
[11:59] <Hobbsee> well, not for extended periods of time, anyway
[11:59] <ikonia> Hobbsee: developed on it though, and a good understanding
[11:59] <Hobbsee> ikonia: that's true
[11:59] <ikonia> Hobbsee: that warrents "queen"
[11:59] <Sa[i]nT> When I use KDE, I feel guilty, like I did with windows.
[12:01] <Sa[i]nT> ok BRB, hopefully with ibex.
[12:01] <ikonia> Hobbsee: +o ?
[12:01] <Hirato> I just find that GNOME or in fact any other window manager, requires me to use alt-F2 too excessively :P
[12:01] <ikonia> ;)
[12:01] <Hobbsee> ikonia: hmmm.  I had that for some reason, but I don't remember why now...
[12:01] <ikonia> only just noticed
[12:03] <zorglu_> to install 8.10 server, is 320mbyte of ram too small ?
[12:03] <ikonia> 256 is minimum so your just above it
[12:03] <zorglu_> i was thinking that it crashed, but thinking that maybe it is swapping like hell
[12:04] <ikonia> zorglu_: you can monitor swap space if your worried about that
[12:04] <ikonia> zorglu_: or monitor ram to see how it's being used
[12:04] <zorglu_> if it 'crash' again, i will assign more ram
[12:04] <frybye> re..
[12:04] <zorglu_> ikonia: ? during the install ?
[12:04] <ikonia> ahh during the install, sorry, I missed that part
[12:04] <ikonia> zorglu_: you maybe able to do it from another tty
[12:05] <frybye> ikonia: am just installing the ubuntu intrepid as recommended...
[12:05] <zorglu_> but i see the cpu on the guest os doing a system
[12:05] <ikonia> ahh this is a vm install
[12:06] <zorglu_> ikonia: yes i killed it and put 640mbyte. we will see how it goes
[12:06] <ikonia> zorglu_: I've seen VM's crash with video issues due to the hardware emmulation
[12:08] <zorglu_> ikonia: well i put a ubuntu server. lets hope i wont have video issue :)
[12:08] <Sa[i]nT> Well.. so far so good with ibex.
[12:09] <ikonia> zorglu_: what vm technology are you using ?
[12:09] <zorglu_> ikonia: virtualbox
[12:09] <Hirato> virtualbox
[12:09] <Hirato> told you so :P
[12:09] <ikonia> not sure on that one, never use it
[12:09] <zorglu_> it works quite will everytime i tried it
[12:09] <zorglu_> im running fedora and windowXP in it
[12:12] <zorglu_> stopped moving on "retrieving md-module...."
[12:13] <Sa[i]nT> OMG The new VLC player is beautiful!
[12:13] <Hirato> wait till you try skinned mode :P
[12:13] <zorglu_> mouamuoa
[12:13] <Hirato> which I believe is run using svlc
[12:13] <zorglu_> ever tried smplayer ?
[12:15] <zorglu_> http://smplayer.sourceforge.net/
[12:16] <Sa[i]nT> Synaptic has it.
[12:16] <zorglu_> http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/08/06/upgrading-virtualbox-and-virtualizing-the-ubuntu-810-alphas/ <- this may explain why i cant install :)
[12:16] <zorglu_> trying their workaround
[12:17] <zorglu_> thinking about it i have to remove my daily bunch of vlc coredump :)
[12:18] <gordonjcp> hello
[12:18] <gordonjcp> I tried upgrading to intrepid but it looks like it wants over 200M free on /boot
[12:18] <gordonjcp> is this supposed to happen?
[12:19] <zorglu_> 92core for vlc today :)
[12:24]  * zorglu_ is parying vt-x god ! :)
[12:25] <Sa[i]nT> Im detecting more wifi networks lol.
[12:25] <Sa[i]nT> How interesting.
[12:26] <Sa[i]nT> Well, this is working great for me.
[12:26] <Sa[i]nT> I upgraded from my Ubuntu Ultimate install.
[12:26] <Sa[i]nT> If that makes any difference.
[12:27] <zorglu_> fyi, to install ubuntu server on virtualbox, "vt-x" option must to set on the wm
[12:28] <anonymous_____> Hi. I've been testing Ubuntu Intrepid since the early alphas, but I'm considering switching to Kubuntu. Is Kubuntu now up-to-date in terms of features?
[12:30] <zorglu_> anonymous_____: i dunno about the "uptodateness" of features, but it run kde4 which has been known as ultra buggy for a long time
[12:30] <zorglu_> anonymous_____: but i have tested it for like 6months, so it may be less now
[12:31] <Hobbsee> anonymous_____: it should be more  or less equal, i think
[12:31] <anonymous_____> ok, i'll install the kubuntu-desktop package and see how i find it
[12:31] <YaManicKill> hey guys, basically, i installed 8.10b on another hdd on my computer and it won't load x for some reason...and possible ideas that i can try?
[12:32] <Sa[i]nT> Tho I can't get my kb to turn the sound up and down. Just the capture.
[12:34] <zorglu_> Sa[i]nT: you got vlc 0.9.2 from the ubuntu repository or the videolan ones ?
[12:34] <Sa[i]nT> zorglu_: Came with it?
[12:34] <rzk> 0.9.3 is in +1
[12:34] <Sa[i]nT> brb.
[12:36] <Sa[i]nT> OMG at KDE4.1
[12:36] <Sa[i]nT> HELL YES
[12:37] <Sa[i]nT> Goodbye gnome lol.
[12:37] <zorglu_> well it comes from somebody who told that vlc ui was wonderfull:)
[12:37] <Sa[i]nT> Want a screenshot?
[12:37] <zorglu_> fyi2, pae is required to boot ubuntu server on virtualbox too :)
[12:37] <zorglu_> Sa[i]nT: of kde4.1, yep it would be nice
[12:38] <zorglu_> i know vlc ui way too much already :)
[12:38] <Sa[i]nT> One sec.
[12:40] <Sa[i]nT> uploading.
[12:40] <zorglu_> installing vlc on my ubuntu server :)
[12:41] <Sa[i]nT> http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/Saint_Belmont/KDE41screenshot.jpg There you go.
[12:42] <Sa[i]nT> KDE4.1 on my system.
[12:42] <zorglu_> thanks lookin
[12:43] <zorglu_> Sa[i]nT: it does look good :)
[12:43] <Sa[i]nT> Told ya.
[12:43] <zorglu_> :)
[12:43] <Sa[i]nT> And it has the vista startbar type thing, or like SUSE's actually.
[12:44] <Sa[i]nT> I did'nt expect it to look like this.
[12:44] <Sa[i]nT> And it's running like a scalded dog lol.
[12:45] <Skiessi> is the sound known to be broken at the moment?
[12:45] <Skiessi> *is sound
[12:45] <Sa[i]nT> My sound works fully.
[12:45] <Skiessi> I can only use OSS :(
[12:45] <Sa[i]nT> Gnome seems to be broken, but with KDE, everything is working.
[12:46] <Sa[i]nT> LoL, KDE4.1 has a "Plasma Dashboard".
[12:46] <Skiessi> maybe it's because the ubuntu-modules and backports-modules aren't there
[12:46] <Sa[i]nT> I can't wait for the final release.
[12:47] <zorglu_> good bw is nice with doing "apt-get installl kubuntu-desktop" :)
[12:47] <Sa[i]nT> The start bar reminds me of OpenSUSE tho.
[12:48] <Sa[i]nT> Idea = stolen, well I guess it's open source, but come on.
[12:49] <zorglu_> and opensuse got it from vista :)
[12:49] <Sa[i]nT> Using 561MB's of mem, and not even taxing my dualcore.
[12:51] <zorglu_> "shutting down ufw" while rebooting 8.10 server...
[12:51] <zorglu_> if there a firewall now ?
[12:55] <dmh65> not mentioned in new features http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[12:55] <Sa[i]nT> KDE4.1 is doing transparency even in the vids when dragging. It used to not do that for me.
[12:56] <Sa[i]nT> Get it just for KDE, it's looking wonderful.
[12:56] <Sa[i]nT> -Plasma Dashboard-
[12:56] <Sa[i]nT> That sounds advanced lol.
[12:56] <Sa[i]nT> I'mma report bugs like crazy.
[12:58] <dmh65> so what happens if ati do not release drivers before 30th October?  Do Ubuntu know something we don't!
[12:59] <Sa[i]nT> Ubuntu knows all.
[12:59] <dmh65> :)
[12:59] <dmh65> realy though
[12:59] <dmh65> *really
[13:00] <Sa[i]nT> I don't know. i use intel and whatnot.
[13:01] <dmh65> Fedora 9 has been using xorg 7.4 for months with no drivers, why will ati release them before the 30th just for Ubuntu, even opensuse uses 7.3 and they are related to amd/ati
[13:03] <Sa[i]nT> There is already plasma desktop themes out. And it makes it so easy to use them.
[13:05] <dmh65> got a url, not familiar with it
[13:06] <Sa[i]nT> Ohh, have you seen what KDE4.1 looks like yet?
[13:06] <Sa[i]nT> I got a screenshot online if you wanna see.
[13:07] <dmh65> do it
[13:07] <Sa[i]nT> http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t74/Saint_Belmont/KDE41screenshot.jpg There you go.
[13:07] <dmh65> kde4 seems a distaer to me
[13:07] <dmh65> *disaster
[13:07] <Hirato> to me it just seems a bit too primitive to erplace KDE4 :)
[13:08] <Sa[i]nT> Looks great to me.
[13:08] <morpholology> dmh65: I tried the latest version and I think they still have a lot of work to do on it.
[13:08] <Hirato> s/erplace KDE4/replace KDE3.5/
[13:08] <dmh65> nice, but using that menu is not easy
[13:08] <Hirato> they have an old style menu widget
[13:08] <dmh65> yes
[13:09] <dmh65> the last thing Linux needs to be is 'like' Windows
[13:09] <Sa[i]nT> I think this is the goal here.
[13:10] <Hirato> seems my bug is already known
[13:10] <dmh65> its quite amazing how Linux people have a go at Windows yet try to emilate it
[13:10] <Hirato>  /etc/network/interfaces is ignored
[13:10] <dmh65> *emulate
[13:10] <Sa[i]nT> I like the way vista looks, Linux lacks the smoothness of it.
[13:10] <zorglu_> dmh65: beside the look, is it buggy ?
[13:10] <dmh65> so many aero themes in Emerald :)
[13:11] <dmh65> only tried hde 4.1 once, did not like it
[13:11] <dmh65> *kde
[13:11] <morpholology> I think for all the windows-bashing, windows has a perfectly 'usable' UI, except for the lack of built-in multiple workspaces support (Not talking about addons here)
[13:11] <dmh65> sorry, having a drink here
[13:11] <Hirato> I think you'll find that linux has had compositing desktop manager a good 6 months before vista was even released
[13:11] <dmh65> I use Vista, I like it, works for me
[13:12] <Sa[i]nT> Linux was made by the people, so they know what they want.
[13:12] <dmh65> I use Linux too and Ubuntu is the best
[13:12] <dmh65> for desktop, nt tried the server, I use Debian Etch
[13:12] <zorglu_> nah they forgot the meaning of the word
[13:12] <dmh65> *not
[13:13] <zorglu_> at the begining they choosed "ubuntu" because it meant something like "be good"
[13:13] <morpholology> humanity towards others
[13:13] <zorglu_> yep
[13:13] <dmh65> all for that
[13:13] <crevette> hello
[13:14] <zorglu_> and last week i went to a ubuntu channel, they had a spammer bot, i complained and pointed at the code of conduct, so i got kicked
[13:14] <crevette> I'm trying to get kvm-intel working on ibex, I can't modprobe it, it claims there are unknown symbols
[13:14] <crevette> I can modprobe kvm thought
[13:14] <Lynoure> zorglu_: Which ubuntu channel?
[13:14] <Sa[i]nT> -Careful- using Compiz for KDE lol.
[13:14] <zorglu_> french one
[13:14] <Lynoure> zorglu_: I've noticed that different ones are very different...
[13:15] <zorglu_> Lynoure:  #ubuntu-fr this one. with not even the official bot on it
[13:17] <Sa[i]nT> 2nd bug for me so far reported.
[13:17] <dmh65> zorglu_ hypocrytes everywhere mate
[13:18] <morpholology> dmh65: what made it a spammer bot exactly?
[13:18] <dmh65> no idea
[13:18] <dmh65> I got mistaken once as a spammer bot once
[13:18] <dmh65> on a site that thought I was against what they stood for
[13:19] <morpholology> You failed the turing test, my friend
[13:19] <dmh65> all you need to do is use Tor :)
[13:19] <dmh65> really annoyed the ops that they could not outright ban me
[13:20] <dmh65> Freenode dont alow Tor though
[13:20] <crevette> any taker for kvm problem
[13:20] <dmh65> which is wrong I think$
[13:21] <zorglu_> crevette: no clue sorry
[13:21] <dmh65> no idea shrimp
[13:21] <morpholology> I can modprobe it no bother :\
[13:21] <Hirato> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWzuIreDGA ^^
[13:22] <zorglu_> bootingh kubuntu8.10 now:)
[13:29] <dmh65> go for it
[13:29] <zorglu_> and it failed :) so i will test again in a few month
[13:30] <Sa[i]nT> LoL.
[13:30] <Sa[i]nT> Optimistic.
[13:31] <dmh65> what failed?
[13:31] <zorglu_> in general it is better to install the version 2 months after its release
[13:31] <zorglu_> it give them time to fix the biggest bugs
[13:31] <zorglu_> dmh65: i got scramble on the screen on X for the live CD
[13:34] <dmh65> be nice to know abit about your machine
[13:35] <dmh65> btw does Ubuntu have the equiv to siga on SuSE?
[13:36] <TuTUXG> hey there the 2.6.27-5 kernel fixed the e1000e driver, but it does not load at bootup, should i manually add it to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run update-initramfs?
[13:40] <rzk> i thin it's blacklisted?
[13:40] <rzk> oh.
[13:41] <TuTUXG> i can add it with modprobe after the boot, rzk
[13:42] <TuTUXG> how do i check if it's blacklist?
[13:42] <TuTUXG> never really mess with kernel b4
[13:49] <marko-_-> hello my card nvidia 8600gt isn't working, any suggestions ?
[13:49] <marko-_-> i have 2 drivers to use in Hardware Drivers but none works
[13:53] <dmh65> marko-_- look at the release notes
[13:54] <marko-_-> where ?
[13:54] <dmh65> some drivers are not going to work because Ibex uses xorg 7.4
[13:54] <marko-_-> aha
[13:54] <dmh65> topic mate above
[13:54] <marko-_-> i already think of that
[13:54] <dmh65> geez
[13:54] <marko-_-> :&
[13:54] <marko-_-> :/
[13:55] <ba5e> got a problem with totem-gstreamer crashing when loading avi's, can some one help? /dev/sdb6	/media/sda6	ntfs	0	0
[13:55] <ba5e> http://pastebin.com/m66cba113
[13:55] <ba5e> oops ignore the /media/ stuff
[13:56] <frybye> hi all - anybody got zattoo (iptv) to work under intrepid??
[13:56] <frybye> on install it claims that flashplugin is missing although is in fact working in other stuff...
[13:56] <bofh80> bluetooth and pand anyone? the information i find for ibex is outdated . .
[13:57] <dmh65> bofh80 Ibex is pretty new lol
[13:57] <dmh65> Hardy work ok, then stick with it
[13:58] <bofh80> dmh65, yer, but the only ibex info for bluetooth dates back to the first alpha's, which was missing completely. now i didn't bother with any of the alpha's. but the beta came out, and i needed a fresh install so thought what the hey
[13:59] <bofh80> the bluetooth is all there, it even says bnep0 connected. however i can't bring the the interface up as it suddenly drops the connection as soon as it is made
[14:00] <bofh80> you can see the phone accept the bluetooth, bring up the net, tthen drop the net and bluetooth connection straight away. same settings as hardy really. bit odd :( only think that's keepin me on my hardy install, but that's been upgraded since 7.04 and is overdue being replaced
[14:02] <Ayabara> the wi-fi indicator on my dell laptop keeps flashing. on hardy it was constantly lit. is this right?
[14:02] <frybye> must admit that ubuntu intrepid-beta seems to be a lot smoother than kubuntu-i-b
[14:04] <Ayabara> "apt-get build-dep digikam-kde4" gives me this message: E: Build-dependencies for digikam-kde4 could not be satisfied.
[14:04] <Ayabara> que?
[14:06] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[14:10] <telexicon> is there info about fixing brightness controls in intrepid? they used to work in earlier versions like hardy and gutsy (changing the brightness of my screen with my laptop's special keys)
[14:11] <Ayabara> will installing kubuntu-desktop in intrepid give me the kde4 desktop?
[14:11] <Hirato> yes
[14:12] <Hirato> KDE4 is now the default and only kde included with ubuntu
[14:12] <Ayabara> Hirato: great
[14:13] <Hirato> it's not great if you use the proprietary nvidia driver :P
[14:14] <Ayabara> heh. still slow?
[14:14] <Hirato> just for that driver, yes
[14:15] <ba5e> Hirato: thats not true, ubuntu comes with Gnome, Kubuntu comes with KDE
[14:15] <Hirato> you misinterpret my reply
[14:15] <Ayabara> ba5e: we're talking about kde3/kde4
[14:16] <ba5e> I know
[14:19] <Perun> hi all
[14:20] <Unksi> hi
[14:20] <Perun> I see there is no dom0 xen kernel in intrepid, are there somewhere unofficial xen dom0 kernel pkgs for intrepid?
[14:35] <jaspion> hay!
[14:36] <jaspion> how is it going, the beta thing?
[14:36] <dmh65> have you tried it?
[14:36] <jaspion> nope
[14:36] <jaspion> im a ubuntu user since this week
[14:36] <jaspion> im lovin' it
[14:36] <dmh65> what do you want to know?
[14:36] <dmh65> everything works?
[14:36] <jaspion> wht r the new features
[14:37] <jaspion> yeahhh everything is okk
[14:37] <dmh65> look at the topic
[14:37] <Hirato> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[14:37] <dmh65> topic, above , up there
[14:37] <jaspion> k
[14:37] <jaspion> brb
[14:37] <Ayabara> anyone with a laptop with a wifi-indicator? does it flash constantly?
[14:42] <dmh65> jaspion and so
[14:42] <jaspion> hay
[14:42] <jaspion> im back
[14:43] <dmh65> any questions?
[14:43] <jaspion> man
[14:43] <jaspion> whre are the new features of the beta maaan
[14:43] <telexicon> what about them?
[14:43] <rzk> jaspion: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#New%20Features%20since%20Ubuntu%208.04
[14:43] <dmh65> if you use Ubuntu as a desktop I suggest you backup important stuff and install Ibex afresh
[14:44] <jaspion> New Features since Ubuntu 8.04
[14:44] <jaspion> aah
[14:44] <jaspion> now i gotta
[14:44] <jaspion> srry dude
[14:44] <jaspion> Network Manager 0.7
[14:44] <jaspion> NICE
[14:45] <dmh65> careful you will flood
[14:45] <lore20> hello
[14:45] <Hirato> it's buggy if you rely on static network IPs
[14:45] <dmh65> hi
[14:45] <lore20> I'm having some problems making an intrepid beta persistent live SD
[14:45] <dmh65> Hirato how was Hardy?
[14:45] <lore20> syslinux freeze when I choose an option
[14:45] <Hirato> functional, and it had KDE3.5 which i prefer :P
[14:45] <dmh65> me too
[14:46] <dmh65> but shit happens
[14:46] <dmh65> you on kubuntu then
[14:46] <lore20> Is it possible that it's due to SD speed?
[14:46] <Hirato> define: SD
[14:46] <dmh65> sounds like a mem card to me
[14:47] <dmh65> got one in a camera somewhere
[14:47] <lore20> Hirato, SD = Flash drive (usally present into cameras and phones)
[14:47] <dmh65> there you go
[14:47] <Hirato> thanks
[14:48] <dmh65> lore20 geez, soory
[14:48] <dmh65> *sorry
[14:49] <lore20> ok
[14:49] <Hirato> is it even possible to boot from them?
[14:49] <dmh65> its a big deal?  If you found a bug, log it and see it silved
[14:49] <dmh65> *solved
[14:49] <telexicon> aw man
[14:50] <telexicon> glxinfo segfaults when i run it
[14:50] <dmh65> !ati
[14:50] <dmh65> xorg 7.4
[14:50] <dmh65> bit different from 7.3 heh
[14:50] <MamboKurt> hi
[14:50] <telexicon> is that directed at me?
[14:50] <MamboKurt> i got a prob with nm
[14:50] <dmh65> ati get your ass in gear :)
[14:50] <wsjunior> is there any version of fglrx drivers that is working with intrepid at the moment?
[14:50] <dmh65> !ati
[14:51] <Ayabara> I'm trying to install kdelibs5-dev but get this message "kdelibs5-dev: Depends: libstreamanalyzer-dev (>= 0.5.7) but it is not going to be installed
[14:51] <MamboKurt> i try to connect to a wired protected network
[14:51] <telexicon> dmh65, was that directed at me?
[14:51] <dmh65> all
[14:51] <MamboKurt> peap mschapv2/md5
[14:51] <telexicon> ok, but im using the open source radeon driver
[14:51] <MamboKurt> both don't work
[14:51] <telexicon> i dont need the binary card
[14:51] <dmh65> there is no driver ati for xorg 7.4
[14:51] <dmh65> pissing me off too
[14:51] <telexicon> im talking about the open source radeon one
[14:51] <telexicon> not the closed ati one
[14:51] <lore20> so, does anybody know how to make a persistent live with GRUB instead syslinux?
[14:51] <dmh65> that works fine
[14:51] <wsjunior> Have you tried 8.9 fglrx version?
[14:52] <MamboKurt> i downloaded the certificate and it didn't work
[14:52] <dmh65> lot of updates too
[14:52] <telexicon> no lol
[14:52] <telexicon> its not working fine
[14:52] <telexicon> glxinfo segfaults, and a bunch of the features stopped working
[14:52] <telexicon> let setting my screen's brightness
[14:52] <MamboKurt> with 6.10 and config editing it worked
[14:52] <MamboKurt> has somebody an idea?
[14:52] <lore20> (please write my name when you have an answer :)
[14:53] <dmh65> telexicon for me, yes
[14:53] <wsjunior> I will try 8.9 to see what happens..
[14:54] <Ayabara> anyone got kdelibs5-dev installed on intrepid?
[14:54] <dmh65> if the opensource driver says it works for your card.  It will.  I am sure they have done their work
[14:54] <telexicon> interesting
[14:54] <telexicon> dmh65, it runs, its just got some problems
[14:55] <wsjunior> Hum..
[14:55] <wsjunior> Error!  Build of fglrx.ko failed for: 2.6.27-4-generic (i686)
[14:55] <dmh65> runs,  You have your screen rez
[14:56] <dmh65> mine is 1440 x 900 works fine but no 3d
[14:56] <dmh65> And I cannot see it happening for just Ubuntu
[14:57] <dmh65> which is annoying me
[14:57] <dmh65> xorg 7.4
[14:57] <dmh65> ati
[14:57] <dmh65> problem
[14:57] <dmh65> there is no driver
[14:58] <dmh65> not even for opensuse
[14:58] <rzk> when will kernel -5 get pushed to mirrors?
[14:58] <dmh65> either Ubuntu knows something or it has its head up its ass
[15:03] <edgy> dmh65: I think ati is expected to launch the update soon
[15:03] <dmh65> I hope so
[15:03] <dmh65> not for Fedora
[15:03] <edgy> dmh65: I also has ati
[15:03] <dmh65> why is Ubuntu special?
[15:04] <telexicon> more users?
[15:04] <dmh65> for opensuse I can understand
[15:04] <edgy> dmh65: what do you mean by not for fedora?
[15:04] <dmh65> fed9
[15:04] <dmh65> xorg9
[15:04] <dmh65> xorg7.4
[15:04] <dmh65> sorry
[15:04] <edgy> dmh65: the problem is in all distros that use the latest xorg
[15:04] <dmh65> exactly
[15:05] <telexicon> i hope xorg starts making major progress soon
[15:05] <dmh65> why now for Ibex?
[15:06] <wsjunior> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/266956
[15:06] <dmh65> Guess I will be assinated for revaeling the truth :)
[15:06] <edgy> dmh65: I don't understand your question
[15:06] <dmh65> *revealing
[15:07] <dmh65> edgy sorry
[15:07] <dmh65> driver fir xorg 7.4
[15:07] <dmh65> why is it so hard
[15:07] <dmh65> *for
[15:08] <edgy> dmh65: nothing is hard. Just the api or something changed and they need time to update the drivers
[15:08] <dmh65> but it seems to be taking for ever
[15:08] <Ayabara> anyone got kdelibs5-dev installed?
[15:08] <telexicon> i wish things would move to xcb
[15:10] <dmh65> I wish things would always work, wihout having to pay for it
[15:10] <dmh65> we are taliking about a OS here
[15:10] <dmh65> no programs that run on it
[15:11] <dmh65> you have a good program, then sell it
[15:11] <dmh65> its your work
[15:11] <dmh65> but the OS is open source
[15:12] <dmh65> shit we all have to make a living
[15:12] <Frijolie> everytime I start Intrepid I have to open a terminal and type "nm-applet&" to get a working Internet connection
[15:12] <Frijolie> I've added it to my "Sessions" but that doesn't work
[15:13] <Frijolie> is there any alternative to get it to work?
[15:13] <morpholology> Frijolie: try wicd
[15:13] <morpholology> You'll have to completely break ubuntu-desktop to install it though
[15:13] <telexicon> dmh65, people often wonder how open source programmers make money
[15:13] <Frijolie> Isn't Intrepid coming out of Beta in a few days? Will this be fixed beforehand?
[15:14] <morpholology> then there's always the alternative of putting "iface eth0 dhcp \n auto eth0" in your /etc/network/interfaces - networkmanager won't manage it then
[15:14] <dmh65> telexicon go on
[15:14] <telexicon> Frijolie, lol
[15:14] <morpholology> and just using ifup / ifdown
[15:14] <telexicon> dmh65, where do you work?
[15:14] <dmh65> I dont want to be grossly rich, just want to pay bills by what I do
[15:15] <dmh65> for myself
[15:16] <telexicon> i understand
[15:16] <telexicon> so heres how it works
[15:16] <telexicon> programmer gets hired by a company
[15:16] <telexicon> the company pays him a salary, he writes code
[15:16] <telexicon> the code is open source
[15:16] <telexicon> the programmer still gets paid
[15:16] <telexicon> and the company makes money off of support contracts with business customers
[15:17] <telexicon> it wouldnt work as well with an individual though
[15:17] <dmh65> sad
[15:17] <Frijolie> unless you were coding for a project that got sponsored
[15:17] <telexicon> thats the one ive heard most
[15:17] <telexicon> but i think there are others
[15:18] <telexicon> yeah, you could work for a company on a closed source product, but they later open source it
[15:18] <dmh65> The opensource OS has yet to start
[15:18] <telexicon> or, you could be hired as a consultant to modify an existing piece of open source software to fit a business need
[15:18] <dmh65> your work is yours
[15:18] <telexicon> dmh65, perhaps when it starts getting serious then it will
[15:18] <telexicon> well, for the desktop
[15:18] <telexicon> its quite serious on the server
[15:18] <dmh65> maybe a percentage to the OS
[15:19] <telexicon> what do you mean?
[15:19] <Frijolie> so guys, just deal with having to manually start nm-applet each time? why will it not start in Sessions but manually through a terminal works?
[15:19] <dmh65> if I could explain that
[15:20] <dmh65> its about a OS that works
[15:20] <dmh65> For free
[15:20] <dmh65> and apps for free
[15:20] <tta> wohoo! usb-creator finally works, via burning *.iso to stick
[15:20] <telexicon> sort of
[15:20] <dmh65> but then buy a app that is to your ned
[15:20] <telexicon> actually i dont care as much that its free
[15:20] <dmh65> its not windows
[15:21] <telexicon> i like that when its broken (and it will be broken, everything has bugs)
[15:21] <telexicon> i can fix it
[15:21] <dmh65> *need
[15:21] <telexicon> not everyone else can fix things like that, but i can.. and i appreciate it
[15:29] <telexicon> my wireless card re-associates a ton though :S
[15:35] <gordonjcp> hi
[15:36] <telexicon> hello
[15:36] <gordonjcp> I was trying to install Intrepid but it's looking for over 200M free space in /boot - is this supposed to happen?
[15:36] <gordonjcp> and, what is it using all that space for?
[15:38] <morpholology> initrds, grub, it's probably just to make sure you don't run out of space when you install new kernels
[15:45] <Ayabara> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[15:45] <Ayabara> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[15:45] <Ayabara> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[15:45] <Ayabara> or been moved out of Incoming
[15:45] <Ayabara> anything I can do when I get this besides waiting?
[15:46] <frybye> Ayabara: please do not use the enter key as a punctuation - write in one long line - much more readable here...
[15:46] <bratsche> Hey, what kernel should I be using right now on Intrepid?  `uname -r` shows 2.6.26-5-generic but I can't seem to find headers for that.  Looking in the package list I see newer kernels than that, and I'm not sure why I'm not using one of them automatically.
[15:47] <gordonjcp> morpholology: that's more than ten times as much as the current amount of space /boot takes up
[15:47] <gordonjcp> morpholology: it's also at least four times as big as the /boot partition
[15:47] <bratsche> Also, what package generates /boot/grub/menu.list ?
[15:47] <gordonjcp> any way to stop it being so greedy?
[15:48] <Ayabara> frybye, sorry. cut and paste from a terminal
[15:53] <frybye> Ayabara: i c
[15:59] <bratsche> Does anyone know if the e1000e bug is fixed in Ubuntu and in what kernel version it was fixed?
[16:01] <bratsche> Nevermind, I found the Launchpad bug.  Seems that it's not yet fixed?
[16:02] <frybye> hi - which appl/command should I use to check the disc integrety/correct errors???
[16:04] <Jeeves_> Hi all
[16:05] <Mechdave> frybye, fsck
[16:05] <Jeeves_> More people here with problems with Intrepid and nvidia?
[16:05] <Jeeves_> I only get 800x600
[16:05] <Jeeves_> and there's no way in configuring my monitor
[16:06] <frybye> Mechdave: does it nead any special options - parameters etc...?
[16:06] <telexicon> Mechdave, lol i thought you were angry D:
[16:06] <frybye> and do I have to run it from a live cd - ie so the disc is not mounted???
[16:07] <Mechdave> telexicon, lol
[16:09] <Mechdave> frybye, it would be best to run it from live disk. Usually invoked with fsck /dev/partition, read man fsck for more details
[16:09] <frybye> eh - so I could try and run it witin the system and see if that works first or...?
[16:10] <frybye> how do I tell it to check the whole hard disk...? I have had a look at man fsck but as a newbie it throws up more questions than answers...
[16:11] <Mechdave> frybye, just one sec I will have a read myself
[16:11] <frybye> another prob- I have as a disab. war veteran is that my memory is real bad...
[16:11] <frybye> thanks Mech
[16:14] <Mechdave> frybye, Ok boot into live disk Ubuntu, then make sure that the hard drive is not mounted and then run fsck /dev/sda
[16:14] <frybye> how to check the drive is not mounted???
[16:15] <Lynoure> frybye:   mount
[16:15] <Lynoure> frybye: shows everythin mounted
[16:15] <frybye> and if it is mounted then...?
[16:15] <frybye> or - perhaps I better go read man mount...
[16:16] <Lynoure> sudo umount mountpointnamehere   usually works
[16:16] <Mechdave> frybye, open a terminal and type sudo umount /mounted/point/of/drive
[16:16] <Lynoure> frybye: that's good too :)
[16:16] <daniel_tp> is here someone successful by using skype at ubuntu-8.10 2.6.27-5-generic x86_64?
[16:16] <frybye> ok thanks... heheh
[16:25] <Cracker_Jax> o/
[16:25] <Cracker_Jax> think i broke intrepid..
[16:26] <dylan__> i'm guessing the output of X saying "Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module!" is a bad thing?
[16:27] <Cracker_Jax> i would believe so
[16:29] <rodpod> dylan: just use apt to install all the drivers
[16:30] <Cracker_Jax> i'm trying to figure out how add the desktop switcher thing back to the panel.. i deleted it by accident
[16:31] <dylan__> rodpod, i did that :(  there were no errors either!
[16:32] <rodpod> aptitude search nvidia
[16:32] <dylan__> yep, i have nvidia-glx-173
[16:32] <Mechdave> Cracker_Jax, right click and add to panel
[16:33] <dylan__> it has an A next to nvidia-kernel-common though, is that alright?
[16:33] <rodpod> i had to ditch -4 and use -3 because nvidia didnt work, and the e1000e driver is fuxed
[16:33] <Cracker_Jax> tried that... lol.. but it isn't there
[16:33] <rodpod> and 173 works with -3
[16:33] <Jeeves_> dylan__: You've got 800x600 too? :)
[16:33] <dylan__> well, if i change xorg.conf around to vesa i do ;)
[16:34] <dylan__> otherwise i'm stuck in a wonderful 2-bit coloured world of console!
[16:34] <Mechdave> Cracker_Jax, try workplace switcher
[16:34] <Jeeves_> dylan__: Yeah
[16:34] <Jeeves_> They dropped displayconfig-gtk 'because it should just work'
[16:34] <Jeeves_> But it doesn't :)
[16:34] <Jeeves_> And now, I can't find a way to configure my monitor
[16:35] <Jeeves_> It's 'unknown'
[16:35] <dylan__> oh, so yours says unknown as well? :P
[16:35] <dylan__> haha thought so
[16:35] <Jeeves_> Jups
[16:36] <dylan__> well i feel a lot more comforted knowing i'm not the only one living in pain
[16:36] <Cracker_Jax> workplace switcher?
[16:36] <Cracker_Jax> hmm can't find it
[16:37] <Jeeves_> dylan__: :)
[16:37] <Jeeves_> I'm not sure where to file the bug, though
[16:37] <dylan__> i'm considering filing one under nvidia-glx-177 for falsley identifying support for my card
[16:37] <dylan__> it's been falsely identified for many releases
[16:38] <Jeeves_> dylan__: You don't have a nvidia card?
[16:38] <dylan__> i do, it just isn't supported in that driver release
[16:38] <dylan__> as i said, it's a horrible card, that is available in two laptops and _that's it_
[16:39] <Cracker_Jax> i'm having problems with the graphics also.. driver seems to be a bit screwy
[16:39] <dylan__> i was unfortunate enough to get one of those two laptops, however, i've been able to get it working relatively well in previous ubuntu releases
[16:39] <Jeeves_> hmm
[16:40] <Jeeves_> I've got a gforce 6100
[16:40] <Cracker_Jax> Geforce Go 7400
[16:40] <dylan__> heh, i have a geforce 7000m, nforce 610m chipset
[16:40] <biberao> hi
[16:41] <biberao> tried to install intrepid on pc and the pc locks on the loader
[16:41] <biberao> what could it be ?
[16:41] <dylan__> 'loader'?
[16:41] <larson9999> how to i change my computer name?
[16:41] <biberao> dylan__
[16:41] <biberao> dont know the name in english
[16:41] <biberao> that orange thing
[16:41] <dylan__> oh, the bar
[16:42] <biberao> yes
[16:44] <frybye> re:
[16:44] <biberao> dylan__ what could be?
[16:44] <frybye> about the checking disk problem and running fsck from a live disk...
[16:44] <biberao> do i really need bind9?
[16:45] <frybye> it says I need r/w- or root privalages to run the probe...
[16:45] <biberao> do i need bind9 to have dhcp?
[16:46] <Mechdave> frybye, you need to run it as sudo --> sudo fsck /dev/whatever
[16:46] <frybye> yeah but then it said the disk is mounted or being run exclusively by another progem - and the command unmount is not found...
[16:47] <frybye> i tried using the ibex live disk and an old knoppix5.1
[16:47] <frybye> same results...
[16:47] <Mechdave> frybye, you are using the Ubuntu live disk?
[16:47] <Mechdave> Oh ok
[16:48] <Mechdave> Interesting
[16:48] <frybye> Mechdave: first I did - and then I tried knoppix when the ubuntu did not work
[16:48] <bofh80> biberao, NO bing is a DHCP server, DHCP is the client that you need.
[16:48] <bofh80> bing=bind lol
[16:49] <frybye> the point I get stuck at is when it cant find    unmount
[16:49] <biberao> oki
[16:49] <biberao> bofh80 just wondering because i want to remove it
[16:49] <biberao> from my pc
[16:49] <biberao> :p
[16:49] <biberao> anyway
[16:50] <biberao> bofh80 i tried to install ibex on one pc and it stops on the orange bar
[16:50] <frybye> i used to have a gparted live disk here - but unfortunatly cant find it right now... hmmm
[16:50] <Turl> is it normal not to have usplash showing on shutdown?
[16:50] <bofh80> biberao, have you tried the same CD in another PC? you can just boot of the CD without install yes?
[16:51] <biberao> yes
[16:51] <biberao> in the other cd
[16:51] <biberao> cd = pc
[16:51] <biberao> it works
[16:51] <biberao> but the pcs
[16:51] <biberao> are equal
[16:52] <Mechdave> frybye, That is an interesting one
[16:53] <frybye> Mechdave: I notice now with the ub untu live disk it is no longer saying the disk is mounted - btw it starets the line with fsck.ext2:  ??
[16:53] <biberao> frybye try fsck.ext3
[16:53] <biberao> ?
[16:53] <frybye> but it is still saying I must have r/w access orbe root
[16:53] <frybye> ok hang on...
[16:54] <frybye> biberao: now it replys as fsck.ext3 but is still saying i need r/w priv. or to be root...?
[16:54] <frybye> how to be root with live cd - i thought one is autom root then...?
[16:55] <Mechdave> tru running it under sudo
[16:55] <biberao> sudo then?
[16:55] <frybye> ok i try that again..
[16:55] <Mechdave> frybye, sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/whatever
[16:55] <wsjunior> is knetworkmanager supposed to be working in intrepid?
[16:56] <Unksi> yes
[16:56] <Turl> anyone knows if it is normal not to have usplash on shutdown??
[16:56] <frybye> now it says filesystem moun ted or opend exclusively by another program...?
[16:56] <Mechdave> and you on a live disk?
[16:56] <frybye> Mechdave: yes
[16:57] <frybye> the live cd is using the swap on the disk or...?
[16:58] <wsjunior> Unksi: are u using it? odd, i just can see a globe at systray. but i'm able to setup connection at the terminal manually and even see wireless networks avaliable but knetworkmanager shows nothing...
[16:59] <Mechdave> frybye, now if you type mount in a terminal it should tell you if it is mounted or not
[17:00] <frybye> mount produces a whole page of complex stuff..
[17:00] <Unksi> wsjunior: yea, but have not used wireless for few weeks now, it starts up when i log in though
[17:00] <Unksi> and opens wired connection well
[17:00] <Mechdave> frybye, what you are looking for is the /dev/sd* entry for your hard drive
[17:01] <Mechdave> frybye, can you pastebin it?
[17:01] <frybye> noting
[17:02] <frybye> difficult - other machin with no konversation.. but sda is not mentioned.. the nearest is /dev/scd0 for the cd drive4..
[17:02] <frybye> how do i get to be root when using a live cd?? that now seems to be the break-point...
[17:02] <Mechdave> sudo su
[17:02] <dylan__> ahhh, i love beta software.
[17:03] <frybye> hmmm mounted or opened exclusively by another prog... ...
[17:04] <wsjunior> Unksi: I tried to setup a wired connection but it has no action at all.. Just stays as a globe icon..
[17:04] <frybye> unmount cant be found...
[17:04] <Unksi> hmm, for me i just plug the cable in and thats it, i use dhcp though
[17:04] <Mechdave> frybye, apt-get install umount
[17:04] <frybye> Mech unmount - command not found
[17:05] <Mechdave> frybye, oops sudo apt-get install umount
[17:05] <Mechdave> frybye, your box is connected to the internet?
[17:07] <frybye> couldnt find package unmount
[17:08] <Mechdave> frybye, try sudo apt-get update
[17:08] <Jeeves_> dylan__: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nv/+bug/275029
[17:08] <Volkodav> anybody gets this error on 64 bit with skype ?
[17:08] <Jeeves_> I'm adding comments to that bug
[17:08] <frybye> is on the net...
[17:08] <Mechdave> frybye, that should update the lists
[17:08] <Jeeves_> Maybe you'd like to do so too?
[17:09] <dylan__> yeah, adding some now
[17:09] <Jeeves_> dylan__: oki
[17:09] <frybye> still cant find package unmount
[17:10] <Jeeves_> frybye: unmount isn't a package
[17:10] <gordonjcp> frybye: "umount"
[17:10] <Volkodav> http://pastebin.ca/1219935
[17:10] <frybye> i will try and get gparted - it can do this stuff also..
[17:10] <gordonjcp> frybye: What exactly are you trying to do?
[17:10]  * Mechdave laughs at himself for not picking up that one!!
[17:11] <frybye> gordonjcp: repair a damaged disk/partitions with fsck
[17:11] <gordonjcp> frybye: right, and what happens when you try to do that?
[17:11] <frybye> sorry I am not getting something here - have i spelt unmount wrong or????
[17:12] <Mechdave> frybye, yeah you have
[17:12] <gordonjcp> frybye: it's not "unmount", it's "umount"
[17:12] <gordonjcp> 17:10 < gordonjcp> frybye: "umount"
[17:12] <Mechdave> try umount <-- notice no n
[17:12] <gordonjcp> I mentioned that a couple of minutes ago
[17:12] <frybye> it says i need to be root or have r-w priv.. and when I do it with sudo it says the disk is mounted or used exclusively by another program..
[17:12] <Turl> anyone??
[17:12] <gordonjcp> uh-huh, unmount the disk then
[17:13] <gordonjcp> Turl: anyone what?
[17:13] <frybye> ah ha.. ok sorry I did not pick up on the difference...
[17:13] <Turl> anyone knows if it is normal not to have usplash on shutdown??
[17:13] <gordonjcp> Turl: someone probably does, but I don't
[17:13] <gordonjcp> what's usplash?
[17:13] <Turl> the progress bar on shutdown
[17:13] <gordonjcp> is that the little logo thingy
[17:13] <gordonjcp> oh that, yeah it does it on mine anyway
[17:13] <Mechdave> Turl, I have it
[17:14] <Turl> I'll report it then
[17:14]  * gordonjcp didn't know it was called that
[17:15] <frybye> it says /dev/sda is not mounted
[17:15] <Turl> run as single user with the kernel option ro
[17:15] <frybye> hmmm so used exclusively by another prog...?
[17:15] <knittl> any opinions why my keyboard stops working after adjusting the panel brightness of my laptop via keyboard?
[17:16] <Mechdave> Turl, frybye is on live disk
[17:17] <frybye> device or resource busy while trying to open /dev/sda
[17:18] <Mechdave> frybye, try /dev/sda1
[17:18] <frybye> ok
[17:19] <frybye> it says clean.. hmm how can i check what partitions there are...
[17:19] <frybye> fdisk or...?
[17:19] <frybye> or fdisk -l or
[17:20] <Turl> frybye, what do you want to do really? partition your disk?
[17:21] <frybye> no i just want to repair some problems on the disk - i was trying to do a backup with acronis live image.. (cos that is easy to use normally-) and it complained that there were damaged partitions on the disk which needed to be repaired before doing an image
[17:22] <frybye> sudo fsck.ext3 /dev/sda1 worked and reported - clean - but there will be other partitions right..?
[17:22] <frybye> and my stupid nubie question is how to list the partitions on the disk??
[17:22] <Turl> cat /etc/fstab?
[17:22] <frybye> so i can run fsck on each of them... that was my line of thought...
[17:22] <frybye> ok thanks..
[17:23] <Turl> you can run fsck -a -f
[17:23] <Turl> and it'll check all of them
[17:26] <Mechdave> frybye, fdisk -l will list all the partitions on a disk as well
[17:28] <Mechdave> frybye, I have to go mate, catch ya
[17:29] <frybye> too late to say bye to him I was on the phone..
[17:31] <frybye> Turl  I ran fsck -a -f  <-- just that  - and it responded with fsck 1.14.0 (10-Jul-208) - ie it said hallo but did nothing... or
[17:33] <Turl> strange huh
[17:33] <frybye> do I need to specify a target for the fsck -a -f /something/somesuch
[17:37] <frybye> so i have got gparted running and it shows sda unmounted - but sda2 and sda5 have got the keys symbol next too them... but the |Partition|Unmount option is greyed out...
[17:38] <frybye> it will let me select "swap off"???
[17:39] <Turl> oh, so what's your swap?
[17:39] <danbh_intrepid> frybye: is this a livecd?
[17:40] <frybye> it says bad magic number
[17:41] <frybye> either the superblock is corrupt of running e2fsck with alternat superblock etc etc..
[17:44] <frybye> my lady wife just phoned from a couple of miles away - she cant start the scooter - so i will have to go now and get her running - on the biocycle - thanks for you help pals but now I have to go for a bit..
[18:01] <fyrestrtr> is the theme and look and feel for intrepid finalized?
[18:07] <CarlFK> dialog says "standby 1 minute while the display restarts. (OK)"
[18:07] <sorush20> right click menu takes a long time to load in kde 4
[18:07] <CarlFK> it didn't occur to me I should hit OK.
[18:08] <CarlFK> is this worth reporting?
[18:12] <larson9999> anyone here using dosbox on ibex?  i use dbase iv and the arrow keys don't work in dosbox.  never had this issue in any other versions of linux ever.
[18:17] <rom1v> hi
[18:17] <rom1v> I installed intrepid, in "preferences → mouse", I can't disable touchpad
[18:17] <rom1v> how to do that?
[18:18] <sorush20> alt+tab dosent' show the right windows
[18:18] <sorush20> any idea?
[18:19] <sorush20> I can't see where I'm moving to
[18:26] <Sa[i]nT> download compiz and use the ring switcher.
[18:26] <Sa[i]nT> *couch*better*cough*
[18:37] <siretart> anyone around interested in having the missing encoders in the ffmpeg package in intrepid? I'm desperatly looking for testers for my test packages that are targeted for intrepid...
[18:37] <danbh_intrepid> what do they encode to?  And I SUCKS at ffmpeg usage
[18:38] <danbh_intrepid> but getting past those questions, I would be happy to test  siretart ^
[18:42] <Sa[i]nT> Two words. Plasma desktop.
[18:49] <siretart> danbh_intrepid: the ffmpeg binary itself works, I verified that myself with another tester
[18:49] <siretart> danbh_intrepid: I'd me more interested to see tests with applications using avcodec to encode stuff
[18:49] <siretart> danbh_intrepid: like transcode, or kino or whatever uses avcodec to create e.g. dvd and vcds and stuff
[18:54] <siretart> anyway, test packages are available in the ~motumedia PPA. please test them, espc. if you are using the package from the medibuntu repository
[18:59] <menllyos> i upgraded from 8.04.1 to 8.10 but i noticed that i dont see any text during the boot sequence which is kinda annoying cause i have an encrypted /home partition using luks. booting itself works fine except that i have to enter a password in the middle of my boot to unlock that home partition, but because i dont see any text messages i have to guess when to type it. are these text messages disabled in 8.10 with a setting ?
[19:00] <frybye> hi - re: any way to repair a corrupt magic number in an mainly working fs?
[19:01] <MrKeuner> it's that time of the year again! I cannot wait for .10 edition
[19:02] <frybye> at lease acronis true image says it can only do a sector by sector backup because of corrupt partition and further checking indicates bad magic number..
[19:02] <siretart> menllyos: do you see a splash screen at all? try booting without splash.
 i am a bit afraid of "wearing out.." the ubuntu- support system with my intrepid questions.. <smile..>
[19:03] <Turl> frybye, fsck -f /dev/whatever
[19:03] <frybye> really whats the -f
[19:03] <Turl> force
[19:04] <frybye> and that repairs bad magic numbers...?
[19:04] <Turl> it forces repairing :p
[19:04] <Turl> well, really it forces checking
[19:04] <frybye> hmm ok i will give it a wizz...
[19:04] <Turl> but it should ask you to repair it
[19:05] <Turl> be aware it might corrupt it more :p I held no responsibility for what could happen
[19:06] <frybye> should i perhaps just go ahead and use the sector by sector image option with acronis?? cos the system generally works pretty well...
[19:07] <frybye> Turl - dont send me to the dunces corner cos I use stuff from the darkside.. heheh#
[19:07] <Turl> :p no problem ;)
[19:07] <frybye> I have just found not o.source imaging stuff that i can really handle..
[19:07] <frybye> so what do you think - try and force the fsck or use the sector-by-sector imaging...?
[19:08] <Turl> maybe do a sector-by-sector backup and then attemp to repair it?
[19:08] <frybye> ah - that is probably a smart idea...
[19:08] <frybye> well done pal -
[19:08] <Turl> just in case it breaks completely ;)
[19:08] <frybye> ok i will g o do that.. right...
[19:08] <Turl> btw, dd backups fine ;)
[19:09] <Turl> it even also copies the 2white" space :p
[19:09] <frybye> Turl if one knows what one is doing...
[19:10] <Cheery> hi
[19:10] <Cheery> I'm getting some weird errors with few games I installed
[19:10] <frybye> if u wanna hold my hand and I will try using that... from the live ubuntu cd - or...?
[19:10] <Cheery> ALSA lib pcm_pulse.c:629:(pulse_prepare) PulseAudio: Unable to create stream: Invalid argument
[19:10] <Cheery> E: stream.c: Assertion 's' failed at pulse/stream.c:971, function pa_stream_drain(). Aborting.
[19:10] <Cheery> Aborted (core dumped)
[19:10] <frybye> I am running a different pc here which i can use for the irc....
[19:10] <Cheery> says that
[19:10] <Cheery> I wonder what's the problem
[19:10] <frybye> Turl - wanna give it a go...?
[19:13] <Turl> frybye, you want to test dd? :p
[19:13] <frybye> well use it to do the backup if you can go thru it with me...??
[19:13] <frybye> but if there is a load of lag on irc will be a bit of bother I guess...?
[19:14] <motz> need help for xserver he says  no device detectet
[19:14] <motz> no screens fatal server error
[19:14] <frybye> Turl - dont underestimate how clueless I can be - with a damaged memory on top... me not the pc this time.. heheh
[19:16] <Turl> frybye, dd does RAW copy - it will just copy every single byte - even the empty ones
[19:16] <motz> any ideas?
[19:17] <Turl> motz, run sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[19:17] <frybye> let me try the acronis again... then tomorrow or another time i can get into dd - getting late here this evning - ok..
[19:17] <motz> already tried this is for setting up a new xserver?
[19:17] <frybye> c u in a bit - if all goes well.. heheh
[19:18] <skyjumper> anyone use intrepid on a thinkpda t60/t61 with working hotkeys?
[19:18] <skyjumper> thinkpad, that is
[19:19] <Tm_T> skyjumper: what exactly you're asking?
[19:20] <skyjumper> Tm_T: lcd brightness keys aren't working in intrepid, but thinkpad-keys is running
[19:20] <skyjumper> wondering if this is a known issue
[19:20] <Tm_T> skyjumper: ah, then ask so (;)
[19:20] <skyjumper> heh
[19:21] <Turl> maybe install tpb?
[19:21] <Turl> sudo apt-get install tpb
[19:22] <Turl> I'm not using one though
[19:22] <skyjumper> hmm, it wants to remove hotkey-setup
[19:22] <wsjunior> i got this error with qt-language-selector, could anybody help me with this? http://pastebin.com/m35f5bb60
[19:23] <karelm> Hi, I gladly found out that ibex makes it finally possible (for my pc at least) to configure dualscreen in the gui... but is there a possibility to turn off my laptop screen?
[19:23] <Turl> it's a similar program I think - it allows to setup thinkpad keys
[19:23] <Turl> see here http://gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Lenovo_Thinkpad_T61#hotkeys_.28Fn-Fx_combinations.29
[19:23] <Turl> it's gentoo but I think the tips are applicable
[19:25] <regital> hyey
[19:26] <regital> how do i install flash player on firefox?
[19:26] <regital> im using kubuntu 8.10
[19:26] <rzk> apt-get install netscape-flash?
[19:26] <rzk> or something
[19:26] <Turl> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:26] <rzk> gottago
[19:27] <Turl> it'll install java and DVD things also
[19:27]  * Tm_T slaps regital 
[19:27] <Salze_> flashplugin-nonfree will only install flash - just in case you want only flash
[19:27] <regital> Tm_T x(
[19:27] <motz> thank turl! it  normaly hangs @ powernowd thats the other main problem but nur on every reboot
[19:28] <Tm_T> regital: if you don't know how to install flash, are you really sure you should use alpha/beta release of softwares?
[19:28] <regital> i mean it says i have flash plugin installed, but firefox wont play any flash videos
[19:29] <Salze_> Have you restarted firefox?
[19:30] <regital> Salze_ indeed
[19:30] <Turl> run apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree
[19:31] <Salze_> Does it show in the firefox settings -> AddOns -> Plugins?
[19:31] <regital> no it doesnt
[19:36] <pwnguin> anyone know what i might need winbindd for?
[19:37] <Salze_> It's for getting users and groups from windows domain controllers.
[19:37] <pwnguin> so if im using local auth
[19:37] <pwnguin> i dont need it running?
[19:37] <Salze_> Correct.
[19:38] <pwnguin> i wonder when it got enabled
[19:38] <pwnguin> what about samba itself?
[19:38] <Salze_> What do you mean by "samba itself"?
[19:39] <pwnguin> lets say i want to access some smb server. is winbindd involved in that?
[19:40] <Salze_> No. It's server side only.
[19:40] <pwnguin> ok
[19:42] <kulight> anyone else have excessive use of memory by xorg process  ?
[19:48] <benjoldersma_> just updated to Ibex, using nvidia on a T61p.  Xorg spiking pretty high (in firefox maybe?) any ideas?
[19:50] <chamunks> how come theres no apache-ssl package?
[19:50] <chamunks> What can i do instead of this package?
[19:51] <Turl> apache2-ssl maybe?
[19:56] <bofh80> bluetooth and pand anybody got working in ibex yet?
[20:02] <comicinker> how could I modify the guest account, so that  some apps are started automatically when logged in?
[20:03] <sven-tek> system -> properties -> session settings
[20:04] <comicinker> isn't everything cleared after logout?
[20:04] <sven-tek> My evolution does not show correct counters for unread messages on my imap account. known problem?
[20:05] <sven-tek> it is not cleared if you did not choose to remember
[20:06] <bofh80> sven-tek, does it show more unread than you have?
[20:07] <sven-tek> right
[20:08] <sven-tek> The counter doesnt seem to change at all.
[20:08] <bofh80> did you setup fresh or upgrade ?
[20:09] <sven-tek> if i mark all messages and set them as read or unread it doesnt change the counter
[20:09] <sven-tek> i just performed an upgrade
[20:09] <sven-tek> on first evolution start it said its working on the folder-structure because it changed
[20:09] <bofh80> are you able to delete / purge the imap cache for the account? or maybe setup evolution fresh with the imap account?
[20:11] <bofh80> sven-tek, yes i guessed as much, it kinda sounds like your local cache of the imap account has corrupted
[20:22] <chamunks> Turl, apparently not :(
[20:24] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[20:24] <Ayabara> hm. beta4 is out. who do I poke to get that into the repos? :-)
[20:29] <danbh_intrepid> Ayabara: is it available upstream?
[20:29] <danbh_intrepid> Ayabara: #ubuntu-motu might be a better place to ask
[20:44] <DJones> Hi, can anybod help with an nfs mount problem? I've got a fresh install of Intrepid, nfs-common & portmap are both installed, fstab modified for the mount points & points created in /media, at bootup, the nfs points don't get mounted from fstab, but running sudo mount -a does mount them, its as though fstab is being read & processed before the wireless network has connected
[20:44] <Ayabara> danbh_intrepid, upstream? what does that mean?
[20:44] <Ayabara> I'll check the mentioned channel
[20:44] <Turl> upstream = debian
[20:46] <Ayabara> Turl, ah. thanks
[20:47] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I couldn't even find the beta1 in debian
[20:50] <Ayabara> danbh_intrepid, devfil in #ubuntu-motu is working on it
[20:50] <Storrgie> anyone getting nvidia drivers working?
[20:50] <Storrgie> with my laptop on its quadro 360m it works fine, but my desktop with a gtx260 will not work
[20:52] <Storrgie> anyone? using a GTX260 in ibex beta?
[20:53] <larson9999> well now if i can get my arrow keys to work in dosbox i think everything's working
[20:53] <larson9999> well i did change mice because i evdev doesn't like those crappy ge's
[20:58] <DanaG> ge? what?
[21:02] <melkart> if i want to file a bug for the kubuntu beta cd, should i take "ubuntu" as the project in launchpad?
[21:02] <Tm_T> melkart: yes
[21:02] <larson9999> DanaG, those GE mice.  they have the goofy button configuration.  you have to have customer xorg.conf setup or when you scroll up in ff it does a backpage.
[21:03] <DanaG> Aah.
[21:03] <larson9999> and in windows you have to install a custom driver.
[21:03] <larson9999> DanaG, i forgot the xorg settings it need so i swapped mice with one in the bin.
[21:04] <DanaG> I have an MX700 mouse, but I prefer my touchpad.
[21:05] <larson9999> DanaG, i can't understand how anyone would prefer a touchpad.
[21:05] <larson9999> i can't type without touching them.  trackstick much better for me.
[21:06] <caleb_> larson9999: because you dont have to drag a mouse around with you...
[21:06] <larson9999> but the trackstick is going the way of the dodo
[21:06] <caleb_> the trackstick is cool
[21:06] <larson9999> caleb_, you don't with the trackstick either
[21:06] <caleb_> my dads thinkpad has one its quite nice
[21:07] <kblin> hi folks
[21:07] <caleb_> the little sub notebooks really need the trackstick
[21:07] <caleb_> hello kblin
[21:07] <larson9999> first thing i figure out how to do with a laptop is how to disable the touchpad.  i had one i even disabled it by breaking the connection :)
[21:07] <Delvien> larson9999: i wish they would stop making laptops with trackpads
[21:08] <larson9999> Delvien, looks like they're going the opposite way.  i think they're trying to make me buy chinese forever.  heck if they'd just go back to including both i'd be happy.
[21:09] <Delvien> larson9999: Im quite happy with my Dell D820 (just disable the touchpad)
[21:09] <Delvien> has a stick
[21:09] <kblin> I've been plagued with kvm/libvirt issues in 8.04, and on bug #187145 someone suggested to try out the 2.6.27 kernel shipped with 8.10.  how stable is the beta so far?
[21:09] <larson9999> Delvien, yeah but touchpad only are becoming the norm for laptops. from what i can tell.  especially lower end.
[21:10] <Delvien> larson9999:  yep :( i might just get a tablet next time
[21:12] <larson9999> you know one thing i keep figuring they'll fix is the first time lag the main menu has but the menu bar doesn't.  is there a workaround for that?
[21:14] <saint-takeshi> hey, just updated to intrepid (and i know it's supposed to be broken) but i think alsa's broken, does anyone have the command to reconfigure alsa?
[21:14] <saint-takeshi> i tried dpkg-reconfigure alsa
[21:14] <saint-takeshi> and alsaconf
[21:14] <saint-takeshi> neither yielded results
[21:16] <gaminggeek> What does a Triaged bug mean?
[21:16] <danbh_intrepid> saint-takeshi: try killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[21:17] <Oli``> Anyone here know why SDL is so shakey under 8.10? Apps that used to work fine in Hardy just crash out all over the place in Intrepid.
[21:18] <gaminggeek> Oli``: run the app from the terminal
[21:18] <gaminggeek> it could be that its pulseaudio
[21:19] <Oli``> gaminggeek: yeah I just get "SDL parachute deployed"
[21:19] <gaminggeek> oh :/
[21:19] <Oli``> gaminggeek: it worked fine under hardy's iron-fisted PA regime
[21:20] <gaminggeek> I found hardy was more buggy than this beta :P
[21:20] <gaminggeek> but that was just because of immature drivers
[21:20] <Oli``> I mean it could be so much. Kernel. Upgrades in the way X handles input. Updated PA. And with the world's least informative error message to try and debug =(
[21:21] <danbh_intrepid> WOOOO, kernel update!!!!!!!!
[21:22] <RAdams> In the user switcher on Intrepid beta, I see an option "Guest session", but using it does nothing but lock my screen. How do I make it work?
[21:23] <Delvien> danbh_intrepid: to -5 ?
[21:23] <danbh_intrepid> yeah
[21:23] <danbh_intrepid> is there a way to check the changelog of it?
[21:23] <Delvien> danbh_intrepid: includes the network card fixes if im not mistaken
[21:24] <danbh_intrepid> yus!!!! exactly what Im looking for
[21:24] <danbh_intrepid> time to test it out!
[21:24] <Delvien> im installing it now
[21:24] <gaminggeek> danbh_intrepid: what is the change log on it
[21:24] <danbh_intrepid> I dont know
[21:24] <danbh_intrepid> I was asking
[21:25] <gaminggeek> I installed it with out looking at the changes :(
[21:30] <kblin> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/2.6.27-5.8 <-- that's got a changelog
[21:30] <aquarius> On plugging in a USB HDD into my intrepid machine, it doesn't mount, and the syslog has rpeated "Add. Sense: No additional sense information" errors.
[21:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, it's possible to disable touchpads in the Xorg synaptics driver.
[21:30] <aquarius> I can't mount it by hand to see if that works because /dev/sdb1 doesn't exist
[21:30] <happytiger> atir radeon 3450 radeon gfx wont even let me boot from cd in safe mode? gives me signal out of sync even booting in safe grafik mode??
[21:31] <DanaG> I like my touchpad, though -- I have it so 2 fingers gives middle button, and 3 gives right.
[21:31] <DanaG> I can two-finger scroll, too.
[21:31] <aquarius> Should the kernel create /dev/sdb* when a device is plugged in, or do I need to mknod it manually?
[21:31] <DanaG> I can even tap the upper-left to go back a page, and tap the lower-right to go forward a page.
[21:31] <DanaG> The next laptop I get will have a 3-button touchpad and a 3-button pointy-stick.
[21:34] <danbh_intrepid> and we have liftoff!!
[21:35] <kblin> danbh_intrepid: fyi: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux/2.6.27-5.8
[21:36] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, looks like just a couple of fixes, but it seems to be enough to get my card working
[21:36] <kblin> or https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/ if you want a page you can keep watching
[21:37]  * danbh_intrepid posts to his favorite bug 259157
[21:37] <danbh_intrepid> kblin: thanks for the link
[21:43] <Oli``> Where has the network settings config whatsit gone in Intrepid?
[21:43] <Oli``> (to allow me to set a static IP)
[21:44] <happytiger> kblin: thx will try
[21:49] <danbh_intrepid> Oli``: I think you can still use interfaces
[21:50] <danbh_intrepid> or nm
[21:51] <c7p> hello everybody
[21:51] <c7p> If I click on the Quit icon , my system completely freezes . any idea
[21:52] <Oli``> danbh_intrepid: yeah I just figured out that all those gubbins had migrated into nm-applet
[21:53] <c7p> sorry but what is gubbins?
[21:55] <c7p> ?
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> c7p: I think he meant to say "network stuff"
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: hey there, try this command
[21:56] <m_newton> ok
[21:56] <danbh_intrepid> killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[21:57] <m_newton> i am not running pulse audio but ok
[21:57] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: o, how wrong you are
[21:57] <m_newton> newton@Intrepid:~$ killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[21:57] <m_newton> W: ltdl-bind-now.c: Failed to find original dlopen loader.
[21:57] <danbh_intrepid> and, now check to see if youtube works
[21:57] <m_newton> I am using alsa
[21:57] <m_newton> ok
[21:57] <danbh_intrepid> alsa uses pulse
[21:58] <m_newton> oh
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> pulseaudio, AFAIK, is the borg of sound systems.  Its taking over all sound stuff as much as possible
[21:58] <danbh_intrepid> worked?
[21:58] <Oli``> c7p: "gubbins" is a fun albeit nonsensical word for "things"
[21:58] <m_newton> holdon..
[22:00] <c7p> ok thnx
[22:01] <m_newton> Thanks a lot danbh_intrepid it works
[22:01] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: can you hold on a sec, and tell me how you install intrepid?
[22:01] <danbh_intrepid> *installed
[22:01] <m_newton> sure
[22:01] <danbh_intrepid> clean install of the beta?  upgrade from hardy?
[22:01] <m_newton> i started on the alpha and installed on a new partition with a seperate partition for home
[22:02] <danbh_intrepid> so an upgrade from one of the alphas?
[22:02] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, i once updated from hardy to find how stupid that was
[22:02] <m_newton> nothing worked and i had kernal issues
[22:02] <m_newton> so 2 hours lator i had 2 installs of ubuntu both sharing a home
[22:02] <noelferreira> hi. can anyone help me with the nvidia drivers in the 8.10 dist?
[22:03] <danbh_intrepid> but this is an upgrade from one of the intrepid alphas?
[22:03] <m_newton> one was hardy one whas intrepid
[22:03] <m_newton> yup
[22:03] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, separate /homes rule
[22:03] <m_newton> dist-update
[22:03] <m_newton> rock on seperate home!
[22:03] <danbh_intrepid> mk, yeah, Im not sure if I should file a bug report
[22:03] <caleb_> anyone know about 260675
[22:03] <danbh_intrepid> maybe a clean install of intrepid will fix the sound issue
[22:04] <danbh_intrepid> I have to run that command almost everytime I bootup
[22:04] <caleb_> hmm the bug bot didnt catch that
[22:04] <danbh_intrepid> bug 260675
[22:04] <caleb_> #260675
[22:04] <caleb_> ah ok
[22:05] <danbh_intrepid> dude, its marked invalid?
[22:05] <caleb_> look at the bug
[22:05] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, what command are you talking about
[22:05] <danbh_intrepid> oh, driver bug
[22:05] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: the one I posted earlier
[22:05] <caleb_> its marked as invalid in wacom-tools abd moved into the kernel
[22:05] <m_newton> the only command i run every 4 hours is update,upgrade,dist-upgarde
[22:06] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, cant see it...
[22:06] <danbh_intrepid> killall pulseaudio && pulseaudio -D
[22:08] <happytiger> damn ati 3450 sucks on linux
[22:11] <yao_ziyuan> that Crash Reporter is pretty annoying
[22:11] <yao_ziyuan> how do i disable it?
[22:15] <noelferreira> hi. can anyone help me with the nvidia drivers in the 8.10 dist?
[22:16] <Oli``> yao_ziyuan: but reporting is useful to others but if you really want to disable it edit /etc/default/apport and change the default value
[22:16] <Oli``> noelferreira: what of them?
[22:16] <happytiger> noelferreira: use 8.10 beta
[22:16] <happytiger> alpha ones doesnt work
[22:16] <noelferreira> i am using beta
[22:16] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, cant you make this into an alias?
[22:16] <m_newton> that starts when you restart?
[22:17] <CarlFK> (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so;
[22:17] <CarlFK> dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: AllocateScreenPrivateIndex
[22:17] <happytiger> noelferreira: so what the problem?
[22:17] <noelferreira> some modules not loaaded happytiger
[22:17] <CarlFK> I think that is a result up upgrading to 27.5
[22:18] <happytiger> noelferreira:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-1777
[22:18] <happytiger> noelferreira:  sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-177
[22:19] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: you mean, just put the command somewhere in a script?  that starts on bootup?  Im sure its possible, but I've never tried / even looked into that.  I think the bigger issue is that pulseaudio even needs to be restarted
[22:19] <Oli``> The 177.* driver does not support all hardware. What graphics chipset are you using?
[22:19] <noelferreira> i did that happytiger
[22:19] <m_newton> true
[22:20] <happytiger> My nvidia 8800gt works fine with that one also work fine on my laptop with amother nvidia gfx
[22:20] <CarlFK> anyone know if this is supported by nvidia: 01:00.0 0300: 10de:002d  nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro]
[22:20] <Oli``> noelferreira: what is your graphics chipset?
[22:21] <Oli``> CarlFK: ouch that's old-school
[22:21] <CarlFK> yeah - it is in a P3 box a friend gave me
[22:21] <noelferreira> happytiger,  nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3)
[22:22] <noelferreira> Oli``,  nVidia Corporation NV20 [GeForce3 Ti 200] (rev a3)
[22:22] <Oli``> noelferreira: I think you need to use lower version drivers. I think ~GF6000 is the cut-off for the 177 branch
[22:23] <noelferreira> i used also the 96.xx drivers and it didn't work Oli``
[22:23] <Oli``> noelferreira: yeah I'm not sure which drivers do cover the gf3 (if any). I'm looking on the nvidia site now
[22:23] <noelferreira> i think 96.43 Oli``
[22:24] <happytiger> noelferreira: my bgf in the laptop is geforce 7400
[22:24] <void^> for tnt2 you need the 71 drivers, and for gf3 96.. but those still don't work in intrepid at the moment i think
[22:25] <Oli``> It's nice that they call it a, and I quote: "unified driver" =)
[22:25] <happytiger> Oli``:  lol
[22:26] <caleb_> anyone here know of a really slick looking monospace font?
[22:29] <DaskReecH> Is the Grub Error 2 a well known error?
[22:50] <xyz> Humans awake here?
[22:51] <xyz> helooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[22:52] <xyz> Ladies and Gentlemen, good evening to you all.
[22:52] <bofh80> human beings? where?
[22:53] <xyz> I'm honored to be here.
[22:53] <bofh80> there's only us trolls here
[22:53] <xyz> I'm an alien from butterscotch.
[22:53] <bofh80> left past the milky way? i think i know it
[22:54]  * xyz lol
[22:55] <xyz> Nice job on Intrepid guys... but a question brought me this far to Earth.
[22:56] <xyz> I have this Nokia XpressMusic 5310 plugged in my laptop..
[22:57] <xyz> Then Ibex tells me its a digital medium of image kind... and mounts it on a gphoto2 format..........
[22:57] <xyz> Allowing a Readonly access to it.  How can i gain access to my cellphone or MicroSD inserted to it with a Read/Write access???
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> xyz: that doesnt sound like a regression to me.  I thought that automounted stuff was always mounted in readonly, even on hardy
[23:00] <danbh_intrepid> and you had to, maybe, set it up manually in fstab to get it different?
[23:01]  * xyz ponders........
[23:01] <linny> has anyone noticed a bug in synaptics quick search mine crashes when i type two words with a space could someone try to reproduce pls and also tell me where i should report this if it is a bonefie bug
[23:01] <xyz> danbh_intrepid, Ima gonna give that a shot... thanks for the tip..
[23:03] <xyz> danbh_intrepid, How then I know the /dev/ path of the nokia?
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> linny: works fine for me, but I thought that it wasnt working earlier.  Are you sure you are uptodate?
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> !blkid
[23:03] <xyz> danbh_intrepid, thanks again...
[23:03] <danbh_intrepid> the whole point of the UUID is for the portable devices.  The /dev will change, but not the UUID
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> the UUID will change only when you reformat the device
[23:04] <linny> danbh_intrepid afaik yes im up to date i just ran the updates today
[23:04] <linny> i was looking for the irc plugins for pidgin si i typed pidgin irc but i get as far as the r and it crashes
[23:05] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I did something like that awhile back.  It didnt crash, but did a huge cpu burn.  But today, its working fine
[23:05] <alteregoa> ist hier jemand der reinsch heisst?
[23:07] <Necrosan> anyone put intrepid on a ps3 yet?
[23:07] <Necrosan> I'm about to.
[23:07] <xyz> alteregoa, dutch?
[23:08] <linny> how can i be assured im up to date ? i ran the regular update manager  is there anything else ? as you can tell im relatively new to ubuntu and ive jumped in with a beta :)
[23:08] <Lynoure> xyz: sounds more like german
[23:08] <DanaG> Oh yeah, xchat-style plugin for Pidgin has never done anything but crash for me.
[23:08] <DanaG> The others are fine, though.
[23:08] <xyz> Lynoure, http://translate.google.com/translate_t#de|en|ist%20hier%20jemand%20der%20reinsch%20heisst%3F
[23:09] <Lynoure> xyz: google is not perfection, grammarwise
[23:09] <xyz> ich weiß nicht, dass die ?????
[23:10] <Lynoure> !de
[23:10] <xyz> Lynoure, lol
[23:11] <alteregoa> its the german translation of the simpsons, bart calls moes bar
[23:11] <Lynoure> alteregoa: ok, #ubuntu-offtopic then :)
[23:11] <alteregoa> eah off topic you are right
[23:12] <xyz> just had a kernel upgrade  here... rebooting.
[23:12] <alteregoa> heh xfce is usign xorg 1.5?
[23:12] <linny> one more thing ? it could be me but since updating to intrepid from 8.04 ff3 insists on starting in full screen and on occasion not all the time f11 doent respond to resize it anyone else had this ?
[23:12] <alteregoa> because of the nvidia drivers
[23:12] <linny> ahh
[23:13] <linny> i notice theres an nvidia manager that wasnt there in hardy too
[23:13] <alteregoa> i think i can forget gnome and kde with my system
[23:15] <xyz> danbh_intrepid, forgive my stupidity, but I dont see the Nokia device listed in the blkid list, where can i find its UUID then?
[23:15] <linny> "alteregoa: because of the nvidia drivers" was that an answer to my question or did i misunderstand ?
[23:19] <danbh_intrepid> xyz: is it plugged in?
[23:19] <danbh_intrepid> and mounted?
[23:19] <xyz> danbh_intrepid, yes, and no.
[23:19] <xyz> I just unmounted the automount gphoto2 thingy
[23:19] <belkinhelp2> help...i burned the intrepid DVD but now my burner wont respond!
[23:19] <alteregoa> linny: the geforce 440mx isn't longer supportet in xorg 1.5x
[23:20] <belkinhelp2> How to i force it to eject
[23:20] <xyz> should i remount on default (automatic) gphoto2?
[23:20] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: is this a new problem in intrepid?
[23:20] <alteregoa> only geforce 6up
[23:20] <belkinhelp2> it crashed k3b...still hanging.
[23:20] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: you could use a paper clip
[23:20] <alteregoa> and there is no geforce 6 up with agp that runs on a p2b-d
[23:21] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid.....how to i force ubuntu to delete/format the dvd without first reading it?  i keep getting "no media present" errors.
[23:21] <danbh_intrepid> no idea
[23:21] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid.....I simply need to burn the image again.
[23:22] <kebomix> Free Programming ebooks With Direct Links Here http://request-ebooks.blogspot.com/
[23:22] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid.....and this was my last DVD!....grrr
[23:22] <alteregoa> maybe i try to uninstall xorg 1.5 and put a backport on it
[23:22] <danbh_intrepid> kebomix: not here
[23:22] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: wait, isnt it r/w?
[23:22] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid.....yes, if only i could get any program to write it again!
[23:23] <danbh_intrepid> brasero?
[23:23] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid....its as though its a ghost dvd....physically there but no program can "see" it
[23:23] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid....it is new...only burned twice!
[23:23] <danbh_intrepid> have you tried rebooting?
[23:23] <alteregoa> hope they make a backport for intrepid
[23:23] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid....yes rebooting gives up the drive.
[23:24] <linny> alteregoa tbh i didnt understand what you said :) but i have a geforce 8500 gt is that supported ?
[23:24] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: gives up?
[23:24] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid....but then when i attempt to burn the image again...nada
[23:24] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...."gives up"....i can eject it.  It shows up as an icon on my desktop as a blank DVD.
[23:25] <belkinhelp2> any suggestions?
[23:25] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: brasero has an erase disk option, have you tried that?
[23:26] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: not really,  I've no idea.  I mean, it could mean your drive is breaking down, which sucks
[23:27] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...brasero gives "unexpected error" when attempting to blank the disc
[23:27] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...nah...drive is new.
[23:27] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...works with other DVDs, just not this one
[23:28] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...I just thought there was some special terminal command that formats discs
[23:28] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: oh, then the DVD is bad, right?
[23:28] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...without reading them first
[23:28] <danbh_intrepid> maybe a scratch, or a smudge
[23:28] <belkinhelp2> danbh_intrepid...well if r/w means only twice then that could be it
[23:28] <belkinhelp2> checked it for lint already...fingerprints, etc.
[23:29] <belkinhelp2> sigh
[23:29] <danbh_intrepid> no, it should work a bunch of times, but that doesnt take into account for damage
[23:29] <linny> or poor media in the first place ?
[23:30] <belkinhelp2> im done for tonight.  no more hair to pull out.  Just off the wall question about intrepid....
[23:30] <danbh_intrepid> belkinhelp2: maybe cdrecord -blank
[23:30] <belkinhelp2> have they fixed the static noise with the nVidia chipset soundstorm?
[23:31] <danbh_intrepid> cdrecord -blank=all dev=/dev/your_dvd
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> here is the error i got:
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> cdrecord -blank=all dev=/dev/scd1
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.Device type    : Removable CD-ROM
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Version        : 5
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Response Format: 2
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Capabilities   :
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Vendor_info    : 'RICOH   '
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Identification : 'DVD+RW MP5240   '
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Revision       : '1.11'
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Device seems to be: Generic CD-ROM.
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> wodim: Sorry, no CD/DVD-Recorder or unsupported CD/DVD-Recorder found on this target.
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Using generic SCSI-2       CD-ROM driver (scsi2_cd).
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Driver flags   :
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> Supported modes:
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> wodim: Cannot load media with this drive!
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> wodim: Try to load media by hand.
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> wodim: Cannot load media.
[23:33] <belkinhelp2> im going to reboot and see what happens....no....im going to bed.  Goodnight.
[23:38] <RAdams> When I select "Guest session" from the user switcher, all it does is lock my screen...
[23:39] <RAdams> (Intrepid beta)
[23:45] <xyz> ping me anyone
[23:46] <xyz> How can i get the UUID from a usb connected nokia xpressmusic 5310 with sd
[23:46] <xyz> ?
[23:51] <sourcemaker> I can't install the following packags:
[23:51] <sourcemaker>  /var/cache/apt/archives/step_4%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:51] <sourcemaker>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kfilereplace-kde4_4%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:51] <sourcemaker>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kimagemapeditor-kde4_4%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:51] <sourcemaker>  /var/cache/apt/archives/klinkstatus-kde4_4%3a4.1.2-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[23:52] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: what are you trying to do?
[23:53] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid:  apt-get install kde
[23:53] <danbh_intrepid> well, you can always try to clean, and redownload
[23:53] <sourcemaker> then there are problems with the icons like usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/kimagemapeditor.png (broken pipe)
[23:53] <sourcemaker> and the error message: No apport report written because MaxReports is reached alread
[23:54] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, check this site out!!!! http://thefreehosts.com/
[23:55] <danbh_intrepid> m_newton: cool, good place to post photos or something, or maybe even a drupal install
[23:55] <Hirato> there's no packages in intrepid that have the -kde4 suffix
[23:55] <Hirato> not to my knowledge anyway ^^
[23:56] <m_newton> danbh_intrepid, thats exactly what i was thinking wordpress and drupal!
[23:56] <sourcemaker> how can I remove not-finished installations in apt?
[23:56] <danbh_intrepid> Hirato: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=intrepid&arch=i386&searchon=names&keywords=-kde4
[23:57] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: try sudo apt-get install -f
[23:57] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid: no.. then apt tries to install the package again... which crashs
[23:58] <danbh_intrepid> sourcemaker: well, you should pastebin the actual errors
[23:58] <sourcemaker> danbh_intrepid: there is a old package kdewebdev-kde4 which makes the trouble i think