[00:00] I believe so. Using whatever the Alternate CD sets up when selecting encryption :) [00:00] what's the trick to getting dual monitors set up in ibex? [00:00] skyjumper: Indeed. Select the nvidia driver, start up gdm, let it die once or twice, then stop it and pastebin the logs. [00:00] cup0spam: System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. [00:01] it bitches about my xorg.conf when i save the changes in the nvidia settings tool [00:01] cup0spam: If you're using nvidia, then it's the same as always. [00:01] Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'! [00:01] Hm. [00:01] i upgraded from 8.04 to ibex [00:01] right now i'm in ibext [00:01] "sudo nvidia-xconfig --twinview" [00:01] everything is cool [00:01] the nvidia driver is working [00:01] ok lemme try that [00:02] RAOF: i nearly thought, it is my fault that i doesn't work anymore. your system works for you but would't fit to mine. please refrain from such quick answers [00:02] Using X configuration file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf". [00:02] PARSE ERROR: Parse error on line 35 of section Module in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf. "Disable" is not a valid keyword in this section. [00:02] Option "TwinView" "True" added to Screen "Screen0". [00:02] Backed up file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' as '/etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup' [00:02] New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf' [00:02] hrm [00:02] lemme see what that's all about [00:03] comicinker: If you'd like more than "cryptsetup/luks can't be _too_ broken, because it works for me", you'll need to post some sort of details about your problem :) [00:03] RAOF: http://pastebin.com/f4450c19c [00:04] also worth nothing that Xorg was maxing out the cpu during the black-screen time [00:04] but this doesn't happen when running "X" from the commandline [00:05] scratch that... now X is doing it from the commandline [00:05] Heh. Pastebin the xorg.conf as well? [00:06] on Ibex the command "cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb1 CryptStorage" will fail with "Command failed: No key available with this passphrase". However on hardy it works fine. [00:06] http://pastebin.com/f4109b9c8 [00:06] i have a question maybe some on can answer it, inorder for my network set to work i have to run /etc/init.d/networking start, i didnt have to do that in hardy [00:06] cup0spam: FWIW, http://pastebin.com/f3ee586d3 is a working twinview xorg.conf [00:07] comicinker: This would presumably be on boot, from the busybox prompt? [00:08] skyjumper: I'd try replacing your xorg.conf with the one I just posted. [00:08] I'm sorry, _I_ was too quick: the corresponding modules weren't loaded yet. :-X [00:11] RAOF: same thing. also, this happens with the 'nv' driver [00:12] skyjumper: Hm. I don't suppose this is the strange "install fails with 2 monitors connected" bug? [00:13] odd, 'nv' is now working [00:13] <-- confused [00:14] Hey, I don't know if you guys noticed, but it's October, which is when Intrepid is supposed to be released, and you guys still haven't fixed the bug in libmono, in spite of launchpad saying there's a fix. [00:15] the fun part is that the "fix released" isn't in the repos. [00:15] Also, Amarok randomly stops being able to play sound. [00:15] Ryoushi: "The bug in libmono" is a little bit vague; I"m sure there are plenty of bugs in libmono :) [00:15] RAOF - the one that makes it so it doesn't actually install. [00:15] * RAOF has it installed. [00:16] Ryoushi: Bug number? [00:16] Whenever you try to install it, there's a chain of broken dependancies. [00:16] *gets* [00:17] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mono-addins/+bug/185677 [00:17] Launchpad bug 185677 in mono-addins "package mono-gac 1.2.6+dfsg-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: " [High,Fix released] [00:18] right, it says there's a fix released. The fun part is that the fix isn't released. [00:18] it's fixed in 3.2 [00:18] Ryoushi: Have you read the final comment on tha bug? [00:18] read it. [00:18] as I was saying, that implies you get 3.2 [00:18] which is notably not in the repos. [00:19] ack, meant 0.3-2 [00:20] Right. But 3.1-4 _is_ in the archives. [00:20] right, and the bug is still there in 3.1-4 [00:20] hey guys, im having trouble with the beta ISO/LIVECD. when i change the Resolution to 1280x1024 it takes me to the login in screen and then after 10seconds it logs me in as 'ubuntu' with like 1600x1024 resolution which my monito can't handle (so it shows me nothing). any ideas ? [00:20] So, what you're seeing is that at some point during the alpha of _hardy_ there were packages which broke your upgrade path. [00:21] no, I didn't have any troubles with libmono on hardy. [00:21] but I'll try the fix again anyways. [00:21] I presume you mean "libmono-addins0.2" [00:21] yeah [00:23] Basically, if you _ever_ had mono.addins 0.3-1 installed, your system will be broken until you fix it like that. [00:24] yeah, I've noticed that [00:25] oh hey, awesome, it's working this time. [00:25] could anybody help ? i kinda want to run intrepid soon. [00:25] well, thanks for getting me to try it again, I guess [00:26] Rez, it's october, so a more stable version will soon be release. it might be a better idea to just wait. [00:27] this is only a resolution problem with the beta liveCD.. :( [00:27] Rezagrats: Where are you changing the resolution to 1280x1024? [00:27] in system > preferences > screen Resolution [00:28] And that logs you out? [00:28] Because it almost certainly shouldn't. [00:28] yeah, i hit "apply" and it logs me out. [00:28] Well, looks like you've hit a bug :) [00:28] then it says something about logging in in 10seconds with the username "ubuntu" [00:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Reporting will help you report a useful bug for us :) [00:29] then i get in with 1600x1024 res, which my monitor can't handle (i can't see anything so i do a hard shut down) [00:29] help me upgrade kubuntu to beta version [00:30] Rezagrats: So, what would be useful is - changing the screen resolution with sys->pref->screen resolution, having it log you out, and then switch to a VT with ctrl+alt+f1. [00:31] is there support for blu ray drives [00:31] DGMurdockIII: I believe the answer is "yes", but don't expect to be able to play blue-ray discs. [00:31] what's a VT ? [00:32] Virtual Terminal. [00:32] Press ctrl+alt+F1; you now have a text-mode login thingy waiting for you :) [00:32] how can i play them [00:32] then i can log in with 1280x1024 res ? [00:32] Rezagrats: No, probably not. I'm just trying to help you report your problem. [00:33] DGMurdockIII: From windows. [00:33] oh [00:33] sice when can it read blu ray [00:33] DGMurdockIII: Or, I suppose OS X. [00:33] after "preparing to upgrade" window is disappearing without any messages [00:33] since when can ubuntu read blu ray [00:34] Dunno; I'm fairly sure the relevant kernel stuff was in Hardy, though. [00:35] erm.... RAOF: _where_ do i report a bug ? [00:35] Rezagrats - Launchpad. [00:35] таке враження, що говорю в трубу (( [00:35] Rezagrats: Oh. On launchpad.net, against the "xorg" package. [00:35] !ru > shprot [00:35] shprot, please see my private message [00:36] I'm from Ukraine, not from Russia. [00:37] Sorry, then. Russian seemed the best-guess, given cyrillic. [00:38] )) [00:39] help me please upgrade kubuntu [00:41] So, what are you doing to try to upgrade? [00:41] adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel [00:41] I try upgrade from Hardy [00:42] Can you run that from the terminal and see what output if anything there is? [00:42] upgrade-manager -d [00:42] ? [00:43] shprot@banka:~$ kdesudo "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" [00:43] kbuildsycoca running... [00:43] UpgradeWizard::checkForDistUpgrade [00:43] kapture::PkgSystem::PkgSystem() [00:43] kdecore (KProcess): WARNING: _attachPty() 42 [00:43] adduser [00:43] !pastebin | shprot [00:43] shprot: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [00:43] so the nvidia driver is freezing for about 30 seconds after "(II) NVIDIA(0): Support for GLX with the Damage and Composite X extensions is enabled" [00:43] debconf [00:43] with full cpu usage during freeze [00:43] sysklogd [00:43] snort-mysql [00:43] shprot, type ' upgrade-manager -d ' into console [00:43] oinkmaster [00:44] adduser [00:44] debconf [00:44] sysklogd [00:44] snort-mysql [00:44] oinkmaster [00:44] gpg: Signature made чт, 02-жов-2008 13:44:50 +0300 EEST using DSA key ID 437D05B5 [00:44] gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key !op [00:44] Help! Channel emergency! (ONLY use this trigger in emergencies) - Mez, LjL, elkbuntu, imbrandon, DBO, gnomefreak, Hobbsee, rob, ompaul, Madpilot, CarlK, crimsun, ajmitch, tritium, Nalioth, thoreauputic, apokryphos, tonyyarusso, PriceChild, Amaranth, jrib, jenda, nixternal, Myrtti, mneptok, Pici, Jack_Sparrow, nickrud, jpds, bazhang, jussi01, or Flannel! [00:44] shprot, don't do that please, use the pastebin [00:45] Lofde, command not found [00:45] shprot, 1 sec [00:45] LjL, ok ) [00:46] shprot, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=936696 [00:47] I would recommend backing up everything and installing fresh off a live cd if your having issues upgrading through the internet [00:47] LjL, tell me how to use pastebin [00:47] go to the website [00:47] and enter in the information you want to paste [00:47] it will give you a url to enter into this room [00:48] heres an example [00:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/54049/ [00:49] Lofde_, ok [00:50] it keeps one from flooding the channel with output from long console screens [00:51] anyone else have nm-applet's icon disappear? [00:51] ive heard of it in the forums [00:51] ok I try upgare with cd [00:52] hi [00:52] adept is removed what do I do ? [00:52] what is the alternative to adept please ? [00:54] apt-get [00:54] aptitude [00:54] why is adept package mager removed [00:54] dpkg may be [00:55] I don't know, may be you removed something and didn't realized that adept sugested you to remove itself too [00:55] how do I reinstall a package using apt-get [00:55] from the terminal? [00:55] sometimes the dependencie solver makes some errors in its sugestions [00:56] sudo apt-get install PACKAGENAME === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna [01:01] AirBender: it says it broken and I do apt-get install -f but its not working [01:02] mmm [01:02] try sudo aptitude dist-upgrade [01:03] The following packages have unmet dependencies. [01:03] adept-manager: Depends: libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6-4.6 [01:03] E: Broken packages [01:04] try the dist-upgrade to see if it solves your broken packages... [01:05] did that no use [01:05] ok [01:05] hi people, i tried a fresh install of the beta on my machine, i can't get the bluetooth pand stuff to connect properly, it works under hardy. anyone can help on this topic? cheers! :) [01:05] may be it's time to use dpkg to fix the problem [01:06] but dpkg has lot of options, don't remember yet the option in your case [01:06] use the manpages [01:06] is the key command to update to the latest beta , alt +F2 [01:08] uhm nope [01:08] alt+f2 is a shortcut to execute a command [01:08] it's a "run box" [01:09] ohoh ok and.. [01:09] one more question [01:09] after i update to the beta [01:09] can i then update to the full release the same way [01:09] or will i need to reinstall [01:09] the same way [01:10] do they do like... beta 1.. beta 2 [01:10] just use update-mnager [01:10] and if so.. what beta are we on [01:10] it's a seamless process [01:10] I don't know [01:10] the first one after 6 alpha's [01:10] I think beta doesn't have key names [01:10] numbers* [01:11] i just want a newer mencoder. [01:11] then comes the Release candidate, and then the stable version [01:11] any major bugs right now [01:11] bluetooth and pand anyone? the information i find for ibex is outdated, ie for the first alpha's. people complaning about it not being there [01:11] i'm told the universe was just forming when hardy's version was released [01:11] sorush20: what error does apt-get give you when trying to fix your packages? [01:12] yes, there are a few 'main' bugs right now. like intel gigabit ethernet cards [01:12] pengo: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpdatingADeb look for "mplayer maintains the debian/ dir" [01:12] thanks CarlFK [01:17] does ubuntu 8.10 beta have the badram kernel patch in by default? [01:19] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [01:38] is there a chance of installing vmware on ibex right now? [01:38] I am guessing i need a binary from vmware co, and unless they are all goofy... [01:41] AirBender: I don't get any errors [01:42] CarlFK: have you tried virtualbox? [01:44] teemuki: no. will that do a amd 64? [01:45] CarlFK: yes. and it's available in universe. [01:45] cool. any idea how to boot a kernel from the local filesystem ? [01:45] teemuki: are you sure vbox is supporting 64bits arquitectures as guest? [01:46] AirBender: 2.0 supports 64bit guests [01:47] here is what I did with qemu: http://dpaste.com/82416/ [01:47] cool [01:47] teemuki: and does the universe version have kernel modules for the latest kernel? [01:48] because some weeks ago it didn't and I changed to the binary version from vbox's repo [01:49] in other words, does it run with the latest kernel? [01:49] AirBender: hmm. i'm not sure. looks like there are compiled modules for 2.6.24 kernel only [01:49] " * No suitable module for running kernel found." [01:50] http://dpaste.com/82430/ [01:50] ok, so it remains the same [01:50] thats a stock kernel too, not the one I booted in qemu [01:51] crimsun: do you remember the gutsy regression i have with nvidia-glx-new after intrepid install? we were talking maybe 2 days ago [01:51] well If you don't mind, you can add the vbox repository, and install the binary version [01:53] question: while its d/l the update files.. im ok to chat on irc and .. surf the internet? [01:53] anyone pretty good with kernel module loading and troubleshooting? [01:53] particularly the _Ubuntu_ way... [01:53] slestak: having issues with nvidia drivers? [01:54] AirBender: yes, not on my Intrepid partition, but after installing II on sda2, my Gutsy install will no loonger load nvidia.ko [01:54] so weird... [01:54] AirBender: even after reloading nvidia-glx-new (ver 100), it will not boot into X [01:55] i have an idea though [01:55] Intreped is using nvidia 177 succesfully [01:55] yeap [01:56] i have a mountpoint to my II partition that is mounted by gutsy at boot. I wonder if the _Ubuntu_ way searches for modules in non-standard locations, and my GG install is seeing the Intrepid nvidia.ko and trying to load it instead of its own? [01:56] and of course II's 177 module may not be compatible with 2.6.24 in GG [01:58] don't know, I'm not the expert you're looking for... but may be you can try to wrap your 177 module and try [01:58] if you want to test your guess [01:59] AirBender: i think the next logical step is to comment out the fstab mount to /intrepid and then try to reinstall nvidia-glx-new. [01:59] sure [02:00] but I don't think it's looking for the kernel modules in the other partition..., it's good idea to test it though [02:00] i cant figure out any other way II partition can influence GG partition. I mean GG was rock solid until very minute II was installed. [02:01] yes, I understand your point. [02:02] and have you looked at the kernel log? [02:02] intrepid has a problem with my 440 agp [02:02] intrepid is workign fine [02:02] alpha 6 [02:02] alteregoa: If, by "440 agp" you mean "Geforce 440MX", then yes. [02:02] yes [02:02] Or, rather, the other way 'round. The nvidia driver doesn't support us. [02:02] i tried with envy [02:03] Whatever you try will fail. [02:03] alteregoa: did you try the nvidia-legacy driver? [02:03] no [02:03] slestak: *Everything* he tries will fail. [02:03] alteregoa: It's not possible to get the nvidia driver (for your card) to work on Intrepid. [02:03] RAOF: what is up with 440mx that makes it fail? [02:03] slestak: The nvidia driver doesn't support it anymore. [02:03] it works with nv non-accel driver right? [02:03] slestak: Right. [02:04] that sucks [02:04] Indeed it does. [02:04] because i got a nice p2b-d board, and i can't find another graphics card support the agp of this board [02:04] newegg should be able to offer sth for cheap in agp, maybe a 5200 fx for like what, 35 bucks [02:04] There are no nvidia drivers for gforce cards <= geforce 4 that work in intrepid. [02:04] ouch [02:05] its a kernel problem maybe [02:05] No, it's the nvidia drivers. [02:05] The 173 drivers don't support anything < geforce 5, and the older 96 and 78 drivers don't support Xserver 1.5 [02:06] i still got an mga g400 whatever, that might work [02:06] slestak: have you looked at the Xorg log file greping NVIDIA ? [02:07] anybody start having wireless problems in the last couple days? [02:07] not me, using Atheros [02:07] I updated everything in intrepid, and now when I boot ubuntu I'm not online [02:08] running just dhclient3 gets me online, but I keep getting disconnected [02:08] and after a while the softIRQ kernel process (or whatever it's called) started hogging the CPU [02:08] AirBender: just says cannot load module, and no screens found [02:08] damn small linux seems to work fine, so I'm guessing it's ubuntu [02:09] ok [02:09] i think im going to recompile nvidia-glx-new, then try insmod nvidia and see what I get in messages or dmesg [02:09] CarlFK: the virtualbox module installed fine here. try installing the linux-headers package for your kernel before installing virtualbox-ose-source [02:09] is there an skype in kubuntu? [02:10] Any ideas on audacity output not working? [02:11] lokign at properties of nvidia-glx-new, there is no .ko in there. what provides nvidia.ko? [02:12] lufis: other sound apps generate audio fine? [02:12] slestak: yup [02:12] but audacity is mute, no matter what output i select [02:12] someone tried to run hardy with an .27 kernel? [02:13] lufis, audacity is crappy at detecting/guessing your audio settings [02:13] lokign at properties of nvidia-glx-new, there is no .ko in there. what provides nvidia.ko? [02:13] lufis, look through the preferences [02:13] JasonWoof: I tried all 3 outputs, none work [02:13] alteregoa, this is for intrepid support not hardy. [02:13] slestak: linux-restricted-modules [02:14] ty [02:15] i think i was reinstalling the wrong package to fix this [02:22] brb [02:24] RAOF: i reinstalled linux-restricted-modules, but i have no nvidia.ko on my system. i did an updatedb to make sure locate was up to date [02:24] hey, I was having troubles upgrading from Herdy to Intrepid, I think that is because I'm using the 4.1.2 packages... does that mean I have to downgrade to 4.0 then upgrade to Intrepid!? [02:25] slestak: So, actually, nvidia.ko is linked on boot-time by the linux-restricted-modules-common initscript. [02:25] so it will not exist until I reboot? or shoudl it exist now? [02:26] slestak: You should be able to run "sudo invoke-rc.d linux-restricted-modules-common start" to get it to link the module. [02:31] if anyone has information on bluetooth and pand in the new beta pls pm with info, am afk. thanks :) === EvilDaemon is now known as LaRoza === LaRoza is now known as FutureWife === FutureWife is now known as assertivepoet [02:55] q. is there any known problem with installing ubuntu+1 with virtual box ? === assertivepoet is now known as c00led === c00led is now known as not-grubbot === not-grubbot is now known as EvilDaemon [03:11] Has anyone gotten USB working in Virtualbox hosted on intepid? [03:13] just booting would be enougth for me:!) [03:14] i try to install 8.10 on virtualbox for 2h :) [03:14] because vlc guys say "8.04 is for loosers" [03:14] keeping his cool is not easy :) [03:14] Well, that shows their accountability now doesnt it [03:15] Delvien; http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-virtualbox-16-in-ubuntu-804hardy-heron-including-usb-support.html you might look at this USB fix for hardy [03:16] platius the thing is.. the commented out lines are not even in the file anymore as of intrepid [03:16] ahh [03:17] must be a "looser blog entry" :) [03:18] platius do you have a copy of yours with the commented lines? [03:18] * zorglu_ is trying humor to fight the rage due to having to work in the middle of the night [03:18] * DanaG just adds usbfs to fstab. [03:18] none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=46,devmode=664 0 0 [03:19] DanaG that directed to me? [03:19] Delvien; I do not have vb in ibex, just now installing [03:19] without usb, is it installable under virtualbox ? [03:19] platius can you paste bin your /etc/init.d/mountdevusbfs.sh ? [03:20] Delvien; give me a sec, need to change PCs [03:21] ok it frooze again, rebooting [03:21] brb [03:21] q. is there anybody succeeding to install 8.10 inside virtualbox ? [03:24] platius back [03:27] Delvien, I don't seem to have the file in 8.10. I will try to install virtualbox [03:27] platius logged into my server and got it [03:30] meh still doesnt work, oh well === AirBende1 is now known as AirBender [03:40] question, just upgraded to beta and .. when i click on like.. pictures in place [03:41] places.. it just keeps going to a avi file i had inside the pictures folder.. its not showing the directory [03:41] or.. if i click on documents.. the same .. vlc opens and it looks like its opening every file in some directory.. i can see [03:41] sysinfo. [04:03] How can I get my Gnome to auto-mount USB drives on insertion? [04:06] hello [04:06] does anybody get that really annoying session logout? [04:07] when I was using the desktop [04:07] all the sudden it logged me out [04:07] and then I have to log in and restart everything again [04:08] i need something like a raid1 for the system [04:09] Aah, had to edit gconf. [04:09] i was able to build a raid5 [04:09] for datas [04:09] i hye [04:09] hey [04:09] im having an issue [04:09] anything i click on in "places" like documents folder [04:09] or anything.. it opens with vlc.. [04:10] remove vlc [04:14] damn [04:14] it just went down again [04:25] hey, is there a reason timevault isn't uncluded in intrepid ibex? i thought it ws basically made for it... [04:26] oh hell no, shadow copy for ubuntu? is this going to be as bad as tracker? [04:28] derekS, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeVault bofh80: # Baselines currently not working. ? [04:31] derekS, and the nautilus plugin broken, sounds like they went a little over the edge ey lol [04:31] what do they mean [04:31] baselines? [04:32] mm, at a guess? probably the main program . ie whole thing caput until they fix various problems introduced by new code [04:32] haha ohhh === EvilDaemon is now known as EvilBot === EvilBot is now known as EvilDaemon_ === EvilDaemon_ is now known as EvilDaemon [04:42] I update my system, and alsa do not work now. [04:43] Has anyone here tried Ibex on a Dell Inspiron 1526 laptop? I worry about the video performance due to the ATI drivers not supporting X.Org 7.4. Does anyone know how the 3d performance is in the open source ATI drivers with a Radeon Xpress 1250 card? It uses the RS690 chip and it looks like the driver is pretty well along (http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/RadeonFeature), but I thought I'd ask here before messing with my system. [04:45] mccord42: I think that should be reasonably OK. [04:53] mccord42: i have II on a 1525, but I got it w an nvidia. [04:53] mccord42: im sorry, 1505 [04:53] argh... what the heck? [04:54] PulseAudio just died! [04:54] call jesus [04:54] Unplug AC power... bam, pulseaudio dies. [05:05] how can i manual select the gateway [05:06] i am multihomed, but i need to assing a single destination to use another gateway [05:06] there is 192.168.1.1 default gw, and i want to add 192.168.1.2 ( failback) for a single ip === fr500__ is now known as FR500 [05:16] alteregoa: "Edit connections" -> IPv4 settings -> Manual [05:18] can anyone help me rebuild my xserver? I need to change my video card drivers and it's not letting me, only asks about the video frambuffer and then the keyboard config. [05:18] onemorevoice: Why do you need to change your video drivers (what to?) [05:19] well my tablet pc doesn't have a cdrom [05:19] so i have to take hard drive out and install in another computer [05:19] when i put it back in mine i used to be able to (<8.04) just reconfigure the xserver and pick the right video card [05:19] onemorevoice: Right. Wheras what you'll do now is nothing, and X will select the correct driver itself. [05:20] well the display itself is ok, color etc.. but it is not filling up the entire screen [05:20] i'm actually using 8.04 still.. people in regular ubuntu channel aren't helping [05:20] Oh. In that case, ignore what I said. [05:21] sorry! haha should have said that right away [05:21] Although it might work that way anyway... [05:21] I don't know. [05:21] just frustrating because i can't find a solid answer via google [05:22] alright well thanks anyhow [05:22] You could try moving your xorg.conf out of the way with "sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf ~/xorg.conf.backup" [05:23] and try to restart? will it do a full reconfigure then? [05:23] And then log out and log back in. [05:23] cool i'll give that a shot [05:31] when my system I am debugging doesnt boot into X, I dont have network, I guess because NetworkManager hasnt started. How can you get a cripped ubuntu at teh cli to start the nic? [05:31] is it just /etc/init.d/network start, or does ubuntu networkign depend on the graphical NetworkManager? [05:32] sometimes [05:33] depends on what driver you are using [05:35] looks like im using ipw3945 [05:35]