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ompaulwhere did the e come from in my initial query00:00
ompaulmaybe don't answer that00:00
jdongthat should be aliased to reisub too :)00:24
ompauljdong, and we await your brave alias00:25
ompaul! is reisub <alias> sysrq00:26
ubottuI'll remember that, ompaul00:26
ompaul!forget is reisub <alias> sysrq00:27
ompaul!reisub <alias> sysrq00:27
ubottuI'll remember that, ompaul00:27
Pici!searc reisub00:28
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about searc reisub00:28
Pici!search reisub00:28
ubottuFound: is reisub <alias> sysr, reisub <alias> sysr, forget00:28
Picinice00:28
Flannel!forget00:28
ubottuI know nothing about forge yet, Flannel00:28
Flannel....00:28
Piciubottu: forget forget00:28
ubottuI'll forget that, Pici00:28
Pici!search reisub00:28
ubottuFound: is reisub <alias> sysr, forget*, reisub <alias> sysr00:28
LjLjdong, ompaul: i type r, s, e, i, u, b in succession, after "raising skinny elephants is utterly boring", think it was ribeiro who told me00:29
ompaulhttp://lifehacker.com/software/linux-tip/gently-restart-a-frozen-system-298891.php00:29
FlannelLjL: thats... inside out00:29
ompaulhmm 00:29
Piciubottu: forget forget00:30
ubottuI know nothing about forget yet, Pici00:30
ompaulpici sorrry00:30
PiciI give up.00:30
Flannelhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REISUB00:30
ompaul!forget \forget00:30
ubottuI know nothing about \forget yet, ompaul00:30
FlannelShows why you need to do EI before S (scroll down)00:30
ompaul!forget `forget`00:30
ubottuI know nothing about `forget` yet, ompaul00:30
ompaul!forget 'forget'00:31
ubottuI know nothing about 'forget' yet, ompaul00:31
ompaul!forget 00:31
ubottuI know nothing about forge yet, ompaul00:31
ompaul!forgt00:31
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about forgt00:31
ompaul!forge00:31
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about forge00:31
ompaulhmm00:31
ompaulstdin, ^^ sorry00:31
* ompaul hides00:31
FlannelI know nothing vs I dont know anything....00:31
Flannel!-forget00:31
ubottuI know nothing about forge yet, Flannel00:31
FlannelWhy the two different error messages?00:31
FlannelI love you too ubot5` 00:32
ompaulFlannel, I gave up on that :00:32
ompaul:)00:32
stdinwhat exactly are you trying to do?00:32
ompaul!forget00:32
ubottuI know nothing about forge yet, ompaul00:32
Flannelhmmm, I wonder if one is a removed command, the other is a nonexistant one00:32
ompaul!search reisub00:32
ubottuFound: is reisub <alias> sysr, forget*, forget 'is reisub <alias> sysr, reisub <alias> sysr00:32
Flannelompaul: nice...00:33
LjLFlannel: probably doesn't matter much as you unmount later anyway00:33
ompaulstdin, ^^ fix that before I break it more00:33
LjL(*if* you wait long enough between u and b)00:33
stdinI'll have to do it by hand :p00:33
FlannelLjL: Well, if you dont let stuff stop gracefully before synching, there may be unsynched things from the termination00:33
ompaulstdin, ergo the sorry00:33
LjLFlannel: i thought an unmount implied a sync00:33
FlannelLjL: normally, not with sysreq I dont think.00:34
ompaulLjL, umount does in a sane place but as Flannel says sysrq is not normal00:34
FlannelWe probably ought to also mention on that factoid that it is those keys for US-QWERTY only.  And other keyboards will have to compensate00:35
LjLFlannel, i can't think of a keyboard where any of those keys is in the wrong place...00:35
FlannelLjL: well, dvorak people would be pushing the keys themselves, not the letters.00:36
LjLah well, the dvorak weirdos.00:36
Flannelso, assuming they had a qwerty keyboard, instead of an actual dvorak keyboard00:36
ompaulFlannel, they got dvorak keyboards they are supposed to know what they are doing00:37
FlannelLjL: I know theres some foreign keyboards that do too.  Although, hmm, maybe not those keys.00:37
LjLFlannel: no, not those keys00:37
LjLyou get AZERTY00:37
LjLQZERTY00:37
LjLand i think QsomethingERTZ00:37
LjLbut the reisub keys are firm in their place00:38
stdin!search reisub00:43
ubottuFound: 00:43
LjL!search printscreen00:43
ubottuFound: sysrq00:43
ubottuLofde_ called the ops in #ubuntu+1 ()00:44
ompaul!sysrq01:41
ubottuIn an emergency, you may be able to shutdown cleanly and reboot by holding down Alt+PrintScreen and typing, in succession, R, E, I, S, U and B. For an explanation, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key01:41
ompaul!-sysrq01:41
ubottusysrq has no aliases - added by ompaul on 2008-09-12 20:29:51 - last edited by ompaul on 2008-09-12 20:30:3301:41
ompaul!reisub <alias> sysrq01:42
ubottuI'll remember that, ompaul01:42
ompaul!printscreen01:42
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about printscreen01:42
ompaulstdin, thanks01:44
NTsucksis my name fine/02:05
FlannelIf you have to ask...02:38
ubottuIn #ubuntu-server, micah said: ubottu: there is a debian package for webmin and it works fine03:29
Flannelubottu: tell micah about worksforme03:29
Myrttiroight.03:49
ubottuIn ubottu, liuxg515 said: I am sorry ,this is my first time here. what do you mean?04:37
HobbseeHow do i forward a channel again?  I can't seem to find the documentation on it06:47
Hobbseeoh, found it.06:49
ompaulsome really old bans pointing to -ot09:58
ompaulsorry pointing to read topic 09:59
ompaulcheeky is basically incapable of using irc in a meaningful way 10:33
bazhangthat is for certain10:34
ompaulI am gone away for a while10:35
bazhangcya10:35
ompaulback10:43
ompaul<picca> wanker!10:46
ompaul* picca has quit (Remote closed the connection)10:46
ompaullovely 10:46
bazhangwow10:47
ompaulto be expected 10:47
ompaulhow to win friends and influence people10:47
bazhangwell when you come in with a will ubuntu switch to kde question to start off, not likely to end well10:48
ompaulhahaha10:48
ompaulpoint10:48
bazhangCheeky, how may we assist you10:59
Cheekywish i was never exposed to this life that i have stated to explore 10:59
bazhang!coc | Cheeky read this10:59
ubottuCheeky read this: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/10:59
bazhang!guidelines | Cheeky and this11:00
ubottuCheeky and this: The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines11:00
Cheekybazhang: i feel it was unfair that justy coz i was talking to you and not to that dude who banned me had  the right to do so just coz i didnt answer him .. that pretty freaking sad 11:00
bazhangCheeky, no.11:00
bazhangCheeky, many people tried to help you and you ignored them11:00
bazhangCheeky, many times ignored them and repeated your same question again and again.11:01
Cheekyand how did you knowi ignored them?...did you assume .. coz maybe you did .. my asnweres to their questions .. were nto addressed to them i didnt know how to add all of them but  i still suffecient infomation that they culd grasp that i have adressed that their question listn if this is a whole power trip wat ever leave me out of it 11:02
Cheekyiam sorry 11:02
ikoniaabout 4 people answered you questions11:03
bazhangCheeky, you not only ignored them, but refused to read the links provided you.11:03
Cheekyi dunno why i ineed to talk to you guys and ask to be let in if you guys dont want me there or reall expect that every person who joins that room or used has to to answer you gusy questrions and wat ever 11:03
bazhangCheeky, dont try to blame others for your lack of irc etiquette.11:04
Cheekyi think you didnt read my messages i said i used one of the programs the docs gave me 11:04
bazhangCheeky, no.11:04
Cheekyi am not fluent with terms 11:04
Cheekythat are in linux 11:04
bazhangCheeky, you did not pay attention.11:04
Cheekythought ubuntu room was for newbies 11:04
bazhangCheeky, you refused to follow others suggestions.11:04
bazhangCheeky, and just repeated the same question over and over disrupting the channel.11:05
Cheekywat ever man 11:05
Cheekyyou guys run this show 11:05
Cheekyhave at it 11:05
bazhangCheeky, being a new user is not an excuse for not following through.11:06
bazhangmaniheer, how may we help you.11:06
Cheekyit aint no excuse 11:06
maniheercame to say sorry for yesterday11:06
maniheerto LjL11:06
bazhangmaniheer, okay11:06
maniheeri also see they forwarded #ubuntu-ontopic to #ubuntu11:06
bazhangmaniheer, will forward to him. thanks11:06
bazhangmaniheer, if there is nothing else...11:07
Cheekywe all are humans if we dont make mistakes ,.. we wont learn and .. i dont need to appologize to poeple toget into rooms ...you guys have some issure 11:07
Cheekywow ... my experience with ubunut and web cams 11:07
Cheekyheh .. 11:07
ikoniaCheeky: if thats your stance, there is nothing more to discuss11:08
Cheekyand the community that tries to grow and promote a something but .. only to find that you gusy i guess power trip 11:08
bazhangCheeky, any thing else?11:08
Cheekynah nothing else 11:08
bazhangCheeky, if not, then please read the /topic here.11:09
Cheekyplease why dont you kick me 11:09
bazhangno need.11:09
bazhangyou can just part yourself.11:09
Cheekynah .. come on you guys do this all the timeand then wait for pple to applogize to you guys 11:09
bazhangCheeky, no.11:10
bazhangCheeky, this is not about us vs you11:10
bazhangCheeky, this is about a very busy room that you were disrupting.11:10
jussi01Cheeky: We try to keep the channels open for all comers, when you dont listen to instructions or follow advice you make the room more busy and others cannot get help11:10
Cheekyjussi01: i have been a user in ubuntu and only come to ubuntu coz i like that lace its been something diffferent that i love comeing back to every day for the last 3 weeks just coz i didnt reply back to some one names ompaul he didnt have the right to kick me .. 11:11
Cheekyi justy dont feel its unfair 11:11
ikoniaCheeky: thats not what happened11:12
ikoniaand this isn't the first time you've been "guided" to stay on track/topic in #ubuntu11:12
Cheekyi thought linux and some programmers that i have met there have a different vision that i respect and beleive 11:12
Cheekynot this 11:12
ikoniaI know I've spoke to you twice11:12
Cheekyoh yeah 11:12
Cheekyikonia: he mentioned if i dont reply back to wat he said he will kick me if i ever ask about web cam/11:12
ikoniaCheeky: you where not responding to his question and just kept hitting the channel with the same question over and over11:13
ikoniahe was trying to help you and you where ignoring it, and just distrupting the channel11:13
ikoniaand I know I have spoken to you before about repeating the same question over and over and over in chanel before11:13
Nafallohmm11:13
jussi01Cheeky: the operators are there to make sure the room runs smoothly, while I didnt see the situation, it sounds though you were disrupt ting the channel and denying others a chance to get help.11:13
NafalloI have a problem with a user I banned harassing me about the ban in private.11:14
Nafalloand he won't stop.11:14
ikoniaNafallo: just ignore it dude11:14
Cheekyyeah it sounds .. wat ever man 11:14
Cheekyif you wish me that fine .. if you guys have the power to let me in .. iam not gonna bege to join back in 11:15
ikoniano one is asking you to beg11:15
Nafalloapparently he's harassing others as well was just reported on the channel I banned him from :-/11:15
jussi01Cheeky: until you agree to abide by the guidelines set up for the channel - guidelines for everyones benefit - we will not unban you. 11:15
Cheekyi feel like iam punished .. when i truly .. doent feel like i deserve it .. its like the system .. 11:16
Nafallooh well. keep an eye out for 'zoddan' I guess :-)11:16
ikoniaNafallo: thank you11:16
bazhangCheeky, you wont be let back in then.11:18
Cheekyon wat ground?11:18
ikoniaCheeky: the ones that have been explained to you, and your attitude in here11:18
bazhangrefusing to follow the coc and the guidelines Cheeky 11:18
Cheekyso you guys choose huh 11:19
Cheekysorry i .... dont feel  like i didnt something wrong ... i get banned coz .. i didnt respond to some one in the chat 11:20
ikoniaCheeky: it's just moderation to keep the channel working esasy11:20
ikoniaCheeky: you then went into #ubuntu-offtopic and started bad mouthing ompaul11:20
Cheekythat i admit 11:20
ikoniawas that the right thing to do, or the right way to do deal with something you feel was wrong11:20
Cheekyno 11:20
bazhangCheeky, I have noticed you before today as well.11:21
Cheekybut wat do you expect when you get banned from a place from a dude you cant ask whty 11:21
ikoniaso just think about why you where removed (keep in mind I've spoke to you around 2 times also to get you to keep on track in #ubuntu) and think about how you asking the same question over and over11:21
bazhangCheeky, this is a community of volunteers.11:21
ikoniaCheeky: what do I expect ? I expect you to not go bad mouthing people in other channels11:21
ikoniaeven if he banned you, making comments in other channels is not going to help your situation11:21
bazhangCheeky, if he did not, I would have.11:22
Cheekyyou should also expect you fellow mates not to ban ppl just coz they didnt reply to them 11:22
ikoniaCheeky: thats not what happened11:22
Cheekyyes it did 11:22
ikoniaCheeky: and the fact that you can't grasp that 11:22
Cheekyomg 11:22
bazhangCheeky, that is simply not the case.11:22
ikoniaCheeky: he offered you help, I offered you help, two other people offered you help, you simpley kept asking the same question over and over again11:22
bazhangCheeky, you cant re-write history that has logs.11:22
Cheekynot trying 11:23
bazhangCheeky, you were asked repeatedly to stop.11:23
bazhangCheeky, and many folks made suggestions which you completely ignored.11:23
Cheekyi wuld liek to see the logs and paste exactly where he said he will ban me if he didnt reply to his message 11:23
Cheekyif you could please bring it up or show me 11:23
Cheekyill will show you 11:23
bazhangCheeky, no need.11:23
Cheekywhy not 11:23
bazhangCheeky, I witnessed it all.11:24
Cheekythats proof 11:24
Cheekyon my side 11:24
Cheekyisnt it 11:24
Cheekyplease show me so i can show 11:24
bazhangand what you are saying is simply not correct in any way shape or form.11:24
Cheekydont you think i have the right to do so ?11:24
Cheekythen please show me howi can show the logs ?11:24
Cheekyplease?11:24
ikonia!logs11:24
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/11:24
bazhangno.11:24
ikoniait's fine I have no problem with you seeing the log11:24
bazhangyou need to read those links I gave you and come back at some point in the future11:25
bazhangCheeky, when you have understood the meaning of the ubuntu community.11:25
Cheekyi cant seem to find the logs of the chat room i was in 11:25
Cheekywas there a paticular file i need to look for so i can justify my statement ?11:26
bazhangpavlz seems to have stopped11:26
ikoniayes11:26
bazhang:)11:26
ikoniaI've tried to speak to him in a pm, but he does seem limited by the device he's typing on11:26
bazhanghe was running debian or using debian repos with ubuntu11:26
ikoniaI think so, but I couldn't quite get any info out of him11:27
bazhangthat cant end well :)11:27
bazhangultabreaksit mark 211:27
ikoniahe may not be, but it's hard to tell11:27
bazhangfor those times when 1 breakage is not enough11:28
Cheekyis there a file in paticular i need to find toshow my logs of that chat in that directory >?11:29
ikoniaCheeky: this is going nowhere11:29
ikoniaCheeky: seriously just walk away for a few hours, and have a ponder about this all came about11:30
bazhangCheeky, how about coming back in a few days11:30
elkbuntuwhat?11:30
Cheekyi just want to show ... my argument doesnt matted .. if i get back in or not at least just do my part 11:30
elkbuntuultabreaksit has birthed a successor? :(11:30
ikoniaelkbuntu: ?11:30
elkbuntu<bazhang> ultabreaksit mark 211:31
ikoniaCheeky: we've read the logs - hence why we are saying "thats not what happened"11:31
ikoniaCheeky: so it maybe best if you just sit down and had a think about how this all came about, 11:31
Cheekyok fair enuff but can i see wat you saw?11:31
ikoniaCheeky: you've just been given the link to see the logs11:31
bazhangelkbuntu, some one using debian repos with ubuntu11:31
Cheekyikonia:  i clicked on it but it opened different logs 11:32
ikoniaCheeky: re-read it11:32
ikoniaCheeky: as in re-read the link and the text in the link11:32
Cheekyi mean .alot of links wih in it in thr browser 11:32
ikoniaCheeky: thats right11:32
ikoniaCheeky: so find the link for the channel you where in11:32
Cheekyall i know was i typed in #ubuntu  in pidgin 11:33
ikoniahow does that relate to anything ?11:34
ikoniayou've been given the link for the logs11:34
ikoniait doesn't matter what client you use, it is still recorded in the logs11:34
ikonia@btlogin11:34
Cheekythrough the link rthat were given by the bot i navigated to this link http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/2008/10/05/ ...... in that i dunno wat room i was in coz all i typed in was #ubuntu in pidgin 11:35
bazhangCheeky, why do you want to argue this?11:35
ikoniathats the wrong link11:35
ikonialets stop this11:35
bazhangCheeky, it wont make things better.11:35
bazhangCheeky, you were in the wrong. end of story.11:35
Cheekyfine i just want to show you guys something .. coz after alli spend all this time taking to ytou guys might as well show you wat i meant right 11:35
ikoniaCheeky: just go away for a time, and think about how this situation came about, then we can progress it forward11:36
ikoniaCheeky: we've read the logs11:36
bazhangCheeky, accept it and move on.11:36
Cheekywhy cant you please how me the logs or give me a hard time with finding the logs i just wanna see .. and point it out 11:36
Cheekythis is soo unfair 11:36
ikoniathis is getting old now11:36
ikoniaCheeky: please follow the advise and just take a break and think about how you got here11:37
bazhangCheeky, no its not unfair.11:37
bazhangCheeky, this is unfair to those who use ubuntu other than you.11:37
bazhangCheeky, we are taking time to spend with you and others are not being helped as a result.11:37
Cheekyits totally unfair .. dont help me with my problem .. for asking the communuity and not replying to one person i get banned and then i dont even get help how to navigate and show you my logs 11:38
Cheekyha 11:38
Cheekyok11:38
bazhangCheeky, please come back in 4 or 5 days, perhaps a week.11:38
Cheekyman 11:38
Cheekysure 11:38
Cheekyforget it 11:38
bazhanggreat.11:38
Cheekywat ever wat goes around comes around 11:38
ikoniaok11:38
bazhangbye Cheeky 11:38
Cheekydo i have to leave or o something ?11:39
ikoniaCheeky: it would be nice please. 11:39
bazhangyes please.11:39
Cheekyplease kick me 11:39
Cheekyfor shits sake 11:39
ikoniaCheeky: please be mature enough to walk away 11:39
Cheekyplease 11:39
bazhangno necessito11:39
Cheekynah not with some one who i dodnt see is mature enuff 11:40
Cheekywat ever man 11:40
bazhangok11:40
ikoniahe's been a problem before.11:40
bazhangyes indeedy11:40
bazhang [hopeless] (n=evilz@202.122.154.103): hot deal maker spamming porn messages to other users including yours truly11:47
bazhangcurrently in PM11:48
Cheekyyou guys there?11:48
bazhangCheeky, how may we help you11:48
Cheekyi need to know wat link or namei need to find out my log in a paticular room :)11:49
ikoniaCheeky: you where told before11:50
ikoniabefore you started speaking with swear words11:50
ikoniaand acting like a child11:50
ikoniaCheeky: getting the logs is not going to change anything, so it is possibly better for you to take a break and come back when you are prepared to talk politly11:50
Cheekyyou gave me link right ... ?11:50
ikoniaCheeky: there is nothing futher to discuss11:50
bazhangCheeky, come back some time later.11:51
Cheekyplease .....all i am asking is that you assist me with finding my logs ..so .. that i can then think abnout how i cam here... 11:51
bazhangCheeky, say in four or five days.11:51
Cheekypleaase i dont want to come back to ubuntu11:51
Cheekyi want to see my logs for that room 11:51
ikoniaCheeky: ok, then I suggest you leave11:51
jussi01!logs11:52
ubottuOfficial channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/11:52
bazhangCheeky, then no reason to be here arguing with us11:52
Cheekywell actually there is .. coz i want to show you guys something that you guys are just bluntly ignoring 11:53
Cheekyand asking me to come a few days later 11:53
ikoniaCheeky: we have read the logs11:53
Cheekyok can i see themplease?11:53
ikoniaCheeky: and you showing us "something" won't change your attidue in this channel11:53
Cheekyi can findit on the linkyou send me 11:53
ikoniaCheeky: you've been given the link twice11:53
ikoniathere is nothing more to discuss11:53
Cheekyok11:55
Cheeky foundit 11:55
Cheekyhere 11:55
Cheeky10:22] <ompaul> Cheeky, as you have not replied to my civil questions if you mention web cams again I will ban you 11:55
Cheekyisnt that unfair ?11:55
ikoniaCheeky: there was more than that one line11:55
ikoniaCheeky: and that doesn't change your attitude in this channel11:55
Cheekybut isnt that unfair?11:55
ikoniaCheeky: there is nothing more to discuss11:56
bazhangCheeky, no.11:56
Cheekyah ok 11:56
Cheekythen 11:56
bazhangCheeky, there was more than an hour before that of you asking again and again.11:56
bazhangand many folks giving answers and you ignoring them completely.11:56
Cheekyso ppl get banned for not repling ppl question?11:56
ikoniaCheeky: thats not what happened11:56
ikoniaand you know that11:57
Cheekymaybe i was respodning to one guy 11:57
ikoniaand you've had that explained to you11:57
Cheekyno dude 11:57
bazhangCheeky, you were disrupting the channel for a long long time.11:57
ikoniaand you've been rude and offensive, and an "issue" in this channel11:57
Cheekythis unfair 11:57
ikoniathats a pretty good list11:57
Cheekywow 11:57
bazhangCheeky, any other channel than  #ubuntu and you would be out and banned inside of five minutes.11:59
Cheekythats all you have to say yes .. i did .. but i didnt mean .. 2 .. but i get kicked out by ompaul .. coz .. i didnt reply back to him .. that very fari in your eyes not saying i was perfect i was lil pissed about teh whole web cam thing i need ti for my parent and midst getting kicked 11:59
ikoniaCheeky: do you think you've behaved nicley in here11:59
Cheekybazhang: please dont assume .. i have been in other rooms and met many firends 11:59
Cheekyno 11:59
Cheekynot not all 11:59
Cheekydo you think you gusy have been fair to me?11:59
ikoniaCheeky: yes very12:00
ikoniaCheeky: we have been polite, answered your questions, listened,12:00
bazhangCheeky, more than fair.12:00
bazhangCheeky, at some point you have to diy12:00
ikoniaCheeky: I think there is little more to discuss12:00
Cheekythen this is my conflict i have shown you even the line where he even told me i get kicked out coz i didnty respoint to one your operators 12:00
bazhangCheeky, no one can come to your home and set up your web cam for you.12:00
ikoniaCheeky: thats not why you where kicked12:00
elkbuntuCheeky, irc is not a privilege, not a right. ompaul is a long-term and balanced operator. his judgement is trusted.12:00
bazhangCheeky, you have to read, listen and pay attention.12:00
ikoniaCheeky: it wasn't that one line12:00
bazhangCheeky, none of which you did.12:01
FlannelCheeky: and you continue to not do, even in here.12:01
Cheekycoz you kciked me b4 i even could 12:01
ikoniano-one kicked you from this channel12:01
elkbuntuif you're going to argue, please do not abuse the english language whilst doing so.12:02
ikoniainfact no-one kicked you after swearing at us, and asking us to kick you12:02
ikoniathis is going no-where12:02
Cheekylook guys 12:02
Cheekyiam sorry 12:02
bazhangindeed.12:02
bazhangas are we.12:02
elkbuntuikonia, precisely. it's been a whole hour and it's achieved nothing.12:02
bazhangbest to part now Cheeky 12:02
ikoniaI see no point in further thing this in this state12:02
ikoniaCheeky: if you've got nothing more to add, it would be appriciated if you left the channel12:04
ikoniaCheeky: could you please respond, if there is nothing more constructive you wish to add it would be appriciated if you left the channel12:06
bazhanghe has debian unstable in his sources list12:06
Cheekyyeah sure 12:07
ikoniaCheeky: thank you12:07
Cheekyjust .. umm know that wat you guys did was kinda wrong and dont think it was right 12:07
ikoniaCheeky: ok, thanks,12:07
Cheekyrememeber wat goes around comes around 12:08
ikoniaok, as you said earlier12:08
* jussi01 takes a deep breath12:10
* ikonia puts the oxygen mask on12:10
ikoniaHmm he's just joined ##linux, I wonder what the odds of a bad mouthing are ;)12:10
ikoniasurprislingly not12:12
ikoniahow nice12:12
elkbuntuit'll happen12:19
ikoniaall looks good12:19
elkbuntui didnt say it'll happen right away12:41
elkbuntuit tends to go like this... kid enters ##linux > kid lurks a while > kid asks question about ubuntu > kid gets directed to #ubuntu > *snap*13:03
LjLlook, can anyone lend me some web hosting for !offline, my provider just won't let me upload the stuff it needs to work. i need php and ftp access, no shell, and for that matter no ftp access if the php settings allow accessing remote sites13:06
LjLand has gzip13:06
* Nafallo doesn't allow php13:07
jussi01LjL: what do you need? I can give you an account on ubottu's server if its not too heavy13:09
jussi01LjL: I own the whole server, so I can give you pretty much anything you need/want13:10
LjLjussi01: the heavy parts are the bandwidth to upload package lists (but that's only when a new ubuntu release is out), and the CPU to turn that into a database (once again, only once). then it does use some CPU on queries, i guess, since they're recursive, but i doubt it will get that many hits. but i forgot to say obviously i need a DB too (though i guess any will do)13:11
jussi01LjL: ok. can do. :) 13:12
jussi01LjL: I got to run for a few mins, if stdin is around he can set it up too.13:13
LjLthanks. i've tried adding hardy and gutsy yesterday, but aside from uploading at like 15kb/s, my free provider just won't let me upload big files like that13:13
ompaulikonia, see the comment by bullguard4 will I bf him to here?15:16
ompaulit is with some regret I am going to ban forward bullguard4 from #ubuntu to here 15:17
ompaulthis is the basis of the ban - they have kept asking what various files do within the kernel, they should be pointed at the kernel janitors mailing list for what they are at the moment, this is the general message for them if I am not here:  while it is admirable that you have gotten so interested in the inner workings of the linux kernel and such like you have been advised to not be asking the likes of that question in #ubuntu 15:17
ompaulit is a kernel dev question not a ubuntu support question15:17
ompaulhi bullgard4 you have kept asking what various files do within the kernel, you should look at the kernel janitors mailing list for what goes where and why, it is really beyond the scope of #ubuntu15:29
ompaulit is a kernel dev question not a ubuntu support question15:29
ompaulbullgard4, do you understand that you have moved to a level that is no longer general support but very program specific15:30
ompaulI take that as a no15:30
bullgard4ompaul: I have put a question in the #ubuntu channel that arose because I am using Ubuntu.15:30
ompaulbullgard4, it is not the kind of thing that can be supported with "how do I do grub X" things it needs kernel knowledge, and in depth, it is not an area we are suited to, nor are we likely to be able to, however I do like the level you have gotten to, I would point you to the likes of the list I pointed you to earlier today15:32
ompaulbullgard4, it would be nice to be all things to all people but that is a "how does my kernel work" question, this mornings question was about commits that IBM had made to the kernel15:33
ompaulbullgard4, you are as far as i am concerned and ikonia is concerned way out of line with these questions, they are interesting asides, perhaps if you were to try and entertain that as a conversation piece in #ubuntu-offtopic it might get some traction15:34
ompaulbullgard4, do you see the point?15:35
bullgard4ompaul: The point is this: If nobody knows the answer to a question which I have put, then nobody needs to answer. And that's it. A hint where to find the anwerr15:38
bullgard4ompaul: The point is this: If nobody knows the answer to a question which I have put, then nobody needs to answer. And that's it. A hint where to find the answer would be appreciated. 15:38
ompaulbullgard4, I gave you a hint this morning - linux kernel mailing list15:38
ompaulit is the same answer again, if you want to get your hands dirty with this stuff the kernel janitors list is also useful15:39
ompaulbullgard4, does that help?15:40
bullgard4ompaul: I remember this. I am subscribing to the LKML. This list is often unsuitable to me because the participants will only discuss questions about kernel versions which are ahead of the current Ubuntu kernel version.15:41
ompaulbullgard4, however you are looking at console operations, the information on searching their mailing list helps you find the origins of these files15:41
ompaulbullgard4, well you have a series of operators saying don't do it in #ubuntu will you see if anyone will entertain a conversation of such dept in #ubuntu-offtopic?15:43
bullgard4Searching in their mailing lists is often tedious as they take into account many different distributions and not the specifics of the Ubuntu distribution.15:44
ompaulbullgard4, the basic kernel does not change substantially between the hands of kernel.org and the ubuntu devs 15:45
ompaulbullgard4, there are 9 million lines or thereabouts of code in the kernel 15:45
ompaulbullgard4, it is not an exact science, why  not grab the same kernel from kernel . org and compare it15:46
ompaulsee if you have a change15:46
bullgard4This is probably true but often I only know in the aftermath if a roblem arose due to a specific kernel version or some other Ubuntu program.15:47
ompaulbullgard4, have you considered getting involved with the devs on a closer basis, i.e. to do some development yourself?15:48
bullgard4ompaul: I do not understand what the phrase "see if you have a change" means.15:48
ompaulbullgard4, to see if there is a "diff" between the kernel.org version and the ubuntu one, if there is then it might be worth looking at the debian version of the kernel to try and see if that is where the "change" was introduced, then it hits ubuntu 15:49
bullgard4ompaul: I have not considered involving with the developers to do some kernel development myself. I am not familiar with several kernel development tools.15:50
bullgard4Ok, I understand now what you mean by "see if you have a change".15:51
ompaulbullgard4, you can study and study and study this stuff forever, however it might be more useful for you to actually get your "feet wet" so to speak, get involved perhaps with motu and see if you can contribute in some meaningful way with the distro you run15:52
bullgard4ompaul: I am involved already.15:53
ompaulwell there is documentation aplenty in the kernel space15:54
ompaulwhich should clear up what these things are doing15:55
SWATthe kernel is a huge, complex and technical whole. Understanding it involves a lot (and this is a understatement) of reading and programming knowledge. Questions about the kernels inner workings need to be directed to the kernel devs.15:55
ompaulbullgard4, a book released to talk about the 2.6 kernel will be out of date as soon as it released15:56
ompaulbullgard4, I have several of them :) you basically can't know the kernel you can know parts of it15:56
ompaulbullgard4, I have removed your ban, however I am advising you that you are asking the in the wrong place15:56
ompaulbullgard4, I removed you from #ubuntu when you failed to reply to my question15:57
ompaulbullgard4, and as SWAT says kernel devs know more about this, you can do a walk though the kernel but by the time 2 months are out you will be behind the times again15:58
ompaulbullgard4, I would like you to look at a video it might help you understand more about the kernel let me get it for you now15:58
bullgard4If I put a question in the channel #ubuntu-kernel, it usually will not be answered. There is (or was) a topic in it that prevents me from asking there even only occasionally. One exception is mjg59 who sometimes gave me valuable answers.15:59
ompaulhttp://www.linuxelectrons.com/news/linux/16774/greg-kroah-hartman-linux-kernel16:00
ompaulyeap 16:00
ompaulthe information in that about canonical / ubuntu is wrong but other than that 16:00
ompaulit is a good presentation on the size and scope of the kernel16:01
ompaulas is andrew mortons talk to google on the kernel16:01
bullgard4ompaul: Thank you for the link. I will try to read  the information and to understand what is told there.16:02
ompaulbullgard4, please try to talk to people in -offtopic about it - it is not suitable for #ubuntu16:02
ompaulenjoy16:03
ompaulbullgard4,  is there anything else?16:04
bullgard4ompaul: I am aware that an endeavour to understand the whole kernel is quite a task. I will not try to completely understand it. My questions arose because I wanted to understand better what is going on when I had some Ubuntu programs on my computer and they did not work as I expected them to work.16:05
ompaulbullgard4, so come over to -offtopic and lets continue this conversation there16:06
bullgard4ok16:06
ompaulclose this one? ;-)16:06
ompaulMechdave, can we help you in some way?16:56
Mechdaveompaul, Sorry just jumped in here when someone was starting to be a bit offensive and then I forgot about the window being open16:57
Mechdaveshall leave now16:58
ompaulack16:58
ompaulnp16:58
ompaul@mark bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 17:26
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* stdin notes that "@mark <channel> <nick> <message>" works too17:27
ompaulstdin, thanks17:28
ompaul@mark #ubuntu-offtopic bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 17:28
ubottuThe operation succeeded.17:28
ompaul@mark #ubuntu bullgard4 sent to talk with people in #ubuntu-offtopic in that twilight zone where the user is too advanced for #u and not a #u-kernel hacker 17:28
ubottuThe operation succeeded.17:28
ompaulstdin, yes I want to to scream out at people :)17:28
ompaulI know exactly what I am doing :)17:28
ompauland I am so glad someone does :)17:28
danbh_intrepidthis factoid is outdated18:08
danbh_intrepid!antivirus18:08
ubottuantivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus18:08
Myrttioh?18:08
Myrttiand how should they be fixed?18:09
danbh_intrepidaegis doesnt exist anymore.  Maybe it could be updated to point to the help page here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:09
danbh_intrepidI just updated the page to include the !linuxvirus link too.18:09
danbh_intrepidplease, thanks and bye  : P18:09
Myrttihold on18:09
danbh_intrepidmk18:10
Myrttiexact fixes please18:10
danbh_intrepidhehe, you guys usually reject my exact fixes, but I can work on it18:10
Myrttiusually it helps if you tell why something should be updated18:11
Myrttiand since you've now told us...18:11
danbh_intrepidyeah, I noticed that, that why I figured I would just tell you why it needs the update.  But hold on, I'm thinking...18:12
ubottuIn ubottu, danbh_intrepid said: !no, antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on linux, unless you server windows clients.  See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:15
ompaulwhich cases does this happen in, I was of the impression that the wine guys could not get virus's to run some Windows viruses can run with 18:15
ompaulwine18:15
ompaulhmmm18:15
LjL!no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, unless you serve Windows clients. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:16
ubottuI'll remember that LjL18:16
MyrttiI think Windows clients is a bit ambiguous18:16
LjLompaul: viruses can run on wine - not all of them, but some18:16
LjLMyrtti: with regard to?18:16
ompaulLjL, ahh, I was of the impression that some serious testing showed them failing ahh well 18:16
ompaulI suppose emus will get there some time :)18:16
danbh_intrepidwell, thats what the previous factoid said.  I wasnt sure what to say18:17
MyrttiI'm not sure - somehow client rings my bell of server-client architecture18:17
ompaul!no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where your data is then fed to windows computers, See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:18
ubottuI'll remember that ompaul18:18
Myrttithere18:18
LjLMyrtti: i think that's what it means18:18
Tm_Taww18:18
Tm_TMyrtti: how fed up?18:18
LjLif you have shared SMB folders, say18:18
ompaulhi kiddie Tm_T 18:18
ompaul!no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where your data is then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:18
Tm_Tompaul: hi hi, just got back from 2-day honey moon18:18
ubottuI'll remember that ompaul18:18
MyrttiLjL: yes, but how many of those who share folders with smb, associate it with server-client architechture18:18
danbh_intrepidlol18:18
ompaulTm_T, ack18:18
LjLMyrtti: me *shrug*18:19
Myrtti!antivirus ~= /windows/Windows/18:19
ubottuNothing changed there18:19
ompaul!no antivirus is <reply> Antivirus is something you don't need on !Linux, except where files are then passed to windows computers (perhaps using samba), See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Antivirus18:19
ubottuI'll remember that ompaul18:19
Myrttistupid bot18:19
ompaulhehehe18:19
ompaulgotcha18:19
LjLMyrtti: that's because i had already done the same in pm18:19
* Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 18:19
Myrttioh.18:19
* Myrtti huggles Tm_T 18:19
MyrttiTm_T: food problems solved18:20
ompaulTm_T, 2 days seems like such a long time18:20
MyrttiTm_T: I'll feed you heaps of the stuff my mom brought18:20
Tm_TMyrtti: aaa that problem, great (:)18:20
Myrttiso please, eat lightly tomorrow18:20
Tm_Twill do18:20
MyrttiI need to lose some of those pot roasts18:20
Tm_Thehe18:20
Tm_Tompaul: indeed, very long it was18:20
Myrttihow's the ickle one doing?18:21
Tm_Tfine thanks (:18:21
Myrttigoodygood18:22
ubottuIn ubottu, marko-_- said: ubottu what is life ?18:58
ubottuIn ubottu, marko-_- said: ubottu what is lthe meaning about life ?18:58
LjL!no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://jussi01.com/ljl/ (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)19:04
ubottuI'll remember that LjL19:04
jussi01LjL: could you amend that to a tinyurl or something? I hate being hilighted on factoids19:08
Myrttior dy.fi19:10
Tm_Ts.kapsi.fi19:11
jussi01oh someone just do it, Im off again19:11
stdin!no offline is <reply> If you need to download Ubuntu packages using another machine or OS, check the desired packages in Synaptic and select File > Generate package download script. Alternatively, try http://tinyurl.com/4faslb (now with Gutsy and Hardy support)19:13
ubottuI'll remember that stdin19:13
LjLi've registered to a domain redirector, will use that when they activate me19:14
jussi01back :)19:16
jussi01thanks stdin, LjL that would be good. glad you got it working, I think itll be quite useful!19:17
MyrttiI just configured my ekiga.net account to my phone :-DDDDD19:17
MyrttiHAH!19:17
LjLit should yes, people either don't seem to get the concept of "generate package download script", or it doesn't work properly anyway19:17
LjL!interpid is <alias> intrepid19:20
ubottuI'll remember that, LjL19:20
LjL(seen this typo enough times already)19:20
jussi01!jaunty19:21
ubottuJaunty Jackalope is the codename for Ubuntu 9.04, due April 2009 - UDS December 8th-12th in Mountain View, CA, USA19:21
jussi01cool :)19:21
LjLeek19:22
jussi01LjL: ?19:22
LjLwhat a name19:22
Tm_TLjL: blame mark19:22
* Tm_T hides19:22
jussi01LjL: you are a little late, dont tell me you didnt know....19:23
LjLno, i didn't know19:23
Myrttithis is great19:23
Myrttiwonderful19:23
LjLi could live without knowing, too19:23
MyrttiMAGNIFICENT19:23
* LjL hits Myrtti on the head19:23
* Tm_T huggggles Myrtti 19:23
Myrttilol. Found Tomi Kekkonen and Urho Kekkonen19:24
Tm_Theh19:24
Tm_Tdon't know either one19:24
Myrttime calls 500@ekiga.net just for shit and giggles19:25
Tm_Tok19:25
Myrttihihiahhh19:25
Myrttithat's just so hilarious19:25
MyrttiSIP phonecalls on my phone19:25
Myrtti:-D19:25
Tm_Tnoone calls to me ....19:25
* LjL hits harder19:25
MyrttiI bet people at saunalahti are extatic19:25
jussi01rofl19:26
Myrtti"damn, she found the SIP!"19:26
Myrtti*SNORK*19:26
Tm_Thaha19:26
Myrttiit's life Jim, but not as we know it20:44
hedkandihello!22:16
hedkandiI just joined that thing22:16
hedkandiwhat's it called?22:16
hedkandilunchpad22:17
hedkandiand now I can upload packages!22:17
hedkandiwhat fun!22:17
PriceChildlaunchpad?22:17
hedkandido you know anything about gpg keys or is that offtopic?22:18
* LjL blinks22:18
LjLhedkandi: aren't you looking for #launchpad perhaps?22:19
hedkandiso anyway, what buttons do you press in lunchpad to upload a package?22:19
Nafallohedkandi: wrong channel dude.22:19
Nafallohedkandi: you want #launchpad22:19
PriceChildhedkandi: its not quite as simple as that, and #launchpad for support on launchpad.net22:20
PriceChildhedkandi: https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging22:20
hedkandiit says "login with lunchpad openID"!!22:21
hedkandiwhats that??22:21
hedkandiok22:21
* LjL blinks22:21
* Myrtti chuckles22:21
Myrttithat, my friends, was a genuine troll.22:21
Myrttimethinks.22:21
LjLwho's familiar with dpkg status files issues? i think i have a terminal case here.22:27
hedkandihello!22:34
hedkandiguys I'm logged into revu.ubuntuwire.com22:34
LjLhedkandi, type /topic please22:34
hedkandiooops22:35
hedkandihow come when I join ubuntu-motu it sends me here?22:36
PiciOne moment.22:36
LjLbecause australians can be annoying22:37
hedkandiof course22:37
LjLhedkandi, because you behaved silly in -motu22:38
hedkandiwhat?22:39
ompaul_<screenname57648> I SAID I'LL NEED SOME ADVICE ON MAKING A BIT OF SOFTWARE PUBLISHABLE22:40
PriceChildhedkandi: are you known by any other nicks?22:40
hedkandioh here we go!22:40
ompaul_is that a yes?22:40
hedkandiso what am I guilty of?22:40
Myrttihow bluntly should I say it?22:40
* Myrtti hides22:41
* Myrtti returns to make a blog entry about ekiga.net and her phone22:41
hedkandiwell naturally you won't get banned.22:41
ompaul_hedkandi, candy for the brain heh?22:41
LjL!etiquette > hedkandi    (hedkandi, see the private message from Ubotu)22:41
ubottuhedkandi, please see my private message22:41
LjL!guidelines > hedkandi    (hedkandi, see the private message from Ubotu)22:41
ompaul_hedkandi,  PriceChild asked you a simple question, can you answer it?22:42
LjL[23:42:40] <LjL> ferretonthelus: then i'm sorry to say that, unless someone else knows some way of fixing the status file that i'm completely unaware of, your system is seriously and irreparably broken22:42
LjL^ so if someone does...22:42
ompaul_LjL, #u?22:43
LjLyeah22:43
LjLbroken status file. broken status-old file.22:43
LjLvery broken, it shows a list of "find"-like results instead of dpkg entries.22:43
hedkandiompaul_: no22:44
ompaul_you can't answer it, then we are left with a strange situation22:44
Picihedkandi: So you've never been in #ubuntu-motu as screenname57648 who oddly seems to have the same ip address and ident as you?22:45
hedkandiI'm not saying anything until I know what I'm accused of.22:45
LjLi see22:46
LjLwell, you're not saying anything at all22:46
ompaul_how did I not see that coming22:46
LjLsame ident, liar. was also banned in #ubuntu earlier on in may.22:46
Piciompaul_: You don't know LjL well enough? or maybe your tail is intefering with your brain?22:46
ompaul_hehe22:47
ompaul_Pici, thanks22:47
=== ompaul_ is now known as ompaul
ompaulmy lovely isp dropped the ball there a while ago22:52
ompaulit is amazing how much you rely on the network being there22:52
LjLompaul, uhm, didn't they tell you? the internet has a scheduled outage planned for the entire month of november22:53
ompaulLjL, to clean up all em drives22:54
ompaulLjL, we wake up on the first of december and there will be no internet the mib will have been to every house and removed all references to ethernet22:55
LjL-... ..- - .-- . -.- -. --- .-- .... --- .-- - --- ... ..- .-. ..- .. ..- .22:56

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